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"Reference PAM REVIEW-GUIDE"
Replica Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection


ADVICE: Before using this PAM Review-Guide, it is strongly recommended carefully reading Part II and the beginning of Part III (Introduction, Presentation and Organization of data), in order to well understand all terms and data included.
You will need to read it few minutes but will save a lot of time and get effectiveness in the future use of the Guide.



INDEX
Part I- PANERAI BRIEF HISTORY
- OFFICINE PANERAI TODAY
- ORIGIN OF PANERAI
- SUCCESS OF PANERAI

Part II- STAGES IN PANERAI PRODUCTION, CASE TYPES, MOVEMENTS AND ENGRAVING OF PANERAI WATCHES
1- STAGES IN PANERAI PRODUCTION
1.1- Vintage models
1.2- Pre-Vendôme models
1.3- Vendôme models - Pre-A models
2- PANERAI CASE TYPES AND SHAPES
2.1- Luminor Case
2.2- Luminor 1950 Case
2.3- Radiomir Case
3- PANERAI MOVEMENTS
4- CASEBACK ENGRAVED INFORMATION OF A PANERAI WATCH.
4.1- Engraving replicas
4.2- Engraving Pre-A watches

Part III- REVIEW-GUIDE of Panerai Replicas–Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection
5- REVIEW-GUIDE OF PANERAI REPLICAS
5.1- INTRODUCTION
5.2- PRESENTATION AND ORGANIZATION OF WATCHES DATA
5.3- GUIDE Section A - with REVIEW and additional information
Panerai Replica Review-Guide arranged in numerical order from PAM 000 to PAM 425
5.4- GUIDE Section B
Paneari Replica Guide arranged by PAM Types and Related watches
-Luminor Base
-Luminor Marina
-Luminor Marina Automatic 40mm
-Luminor Marina Automatic 44mm
-Luminor with Hunter lid
-Luminor Power Reserve
-Luminor GMT 44mm
-Luminor Chrono 40mm
-Luminor Chrono 44mm
-Luminor 1950 Manual wind
-Luminor 1950 Automatic
-Luminor 1950 GMT
-Luminor 1950 Chrono
-Luminor Submersible 44mm
-Luminor Submersible 1950 44mm
-Luminor Submersible 1950 47mm
-Radiomir Base 45mm
-Radiomir Black Seal 45mm
-Radiomir Base 47mm
-Radiomir Titanium 47mm
-Radiomir Power Reserve
-Radiomir Chrono 42mm
-Radiomir Chrono 45mm
-Radiomir 1940
-Radiomir Egiziano
-Radiomir Mare Nostrum


5.5- GUIDE Section C – PAM GUIDE EXCEL TABLE


6- OEM & AFTERMARKET STRAPS FOR PANERAI WATCHES

6.1- Wrist perimeter and strap dimensions
6.2- Links to Panerai OEM straps
6.3- Links to Panerai Aftermarket straps
- RWI Strap Trusted Dealers
- Recommended Strap Makers of this PAM REVIEW-GUIDE
- The Definitive Strap List (RWI Thread by jb)
- Spanish Strap Makers
- Other Strap Makers
6.4- How to change the strap in a Panerai watch
6.5- Watch-Strap Combo Gallery – Ideas, Clues

AKNOWLEDGEMENTS

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Part I- PANERAI BRIEF HISTORY

OFFICINE PANERAI TODAY
Officine Panerai Marketing e Communicazioni Srl, a wholly owned subsidiary of Compagnie Financière Richemont S.A., designs, manufactures, markets and sells watches under the Officine Panerai brand through authorized dealers and company-owned boutiques worldwide.
Richemont group owns the following watch brands: Baume & Mercier, Cartier, Dunhill, IWC, Jaeger LeCoultre, Lange, Montblanc, Officine Panerai, Piaget, Vacheron Constantin and Van Cleef & Arpels.
Officine Panerai maintains its headquarters in Florence but manufactures watches inNeuchâtel, Switzerland using both movement manufactured in-house (“Manifattura”) movements and manufactured by other movement makers. See Section 3-PANERAI MOVEMENTS.

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THE ORIGIN OF PANERAI
Giovanni Panerai (1825–1897) founded Officine Panerai in Florence, Italy in 1860. By 1900, under the leadership of the founder's grandson Guido Panerai (1873–1934), Officine Panerai had become an official supplier to the Regia Marina (the Royal Italian Navy), supplying watches and precision instruments.
Panerai watches of this time consisted of a cases designed and manufactured by Panerai and movement made by Swiss manufacturers including Rolex S.A.
The Florence-based watchmaker produced wrist worn diving instruments and about 300 watches, all for the Italian Marina Militare, between 1938 and 1993. Panerai watches played a role in assisting the frogmen of the Decima Flottiglia MAS in their operations during World War II.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKoNv0HqGPM&feature=player_embedded

In 1960 Panerai presented the patent of the typical Panerai Crown Lock system, a characteristic element in a Luminor Paneari watch.
http://www.paneristi.com/archives/patent/index.html

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In 1993, the company ceased to provide watches to the Marina Militare, as they were neither cost-effective nor met the naval specifications. It then moved to launch its products to the civilian market.
The actor Sylvester Stallone spotted and bought a Panerai Luminor in a jewellers in Rome in 1995 to wear during shooting of the film Daylight. Stallone ordered a small batch of such watches with his signature on the case back, called Slytech, offering some as gifts to friends.
The brands rising popularity caught the attention of the Vendôme group (now Richemont), which acquired Officine Panerai in 1997. At auction and in the collectors market, some of these older models, particularly those produced in the 1940s and '50s have sold for high prices.
For more information visit the Official Panerai site web:
http://www.panerai.com/s_storia.xpd?mode=read_item&id_lingua=2&id_sezione =2&id_item=53&anno=1860


THE PANERAI SUCCESS

The distinctive look and limited production – Great collectability
The modern Panerai have hit the nail right on the head when it comes to creating a cult watch with great collectability.
The Panerai watches have very distinctive striking looks, they are produced in relatively small numbers, and every year there are unique editions of truly different watches, not simply a rehash of last year's model with a subtly different dial. For these limited or special editions Paneari produces fewer watches than the market demands. Retailers may only receive a few limited edition pieces each per year and there are long waiting lists for popular models.

The Lume
All Panerai watches due to their original application in military diving activities have very good “Lume”. This feature gives to the Panerai watches a very special attraction among the fans.

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The Panerai Straps
Furthermore, you can change completely the look of your Panerai just changing the strap. Almost all Panerai models accept every type of strap and you can adapt the style of your watch to your taste or to all situations and environments.
There is a huge range and a lot of Strap types for Panerai watches in the market.
Panerai Watches are especially prepared for an easy change of the strap. You can literally change the watch in few minutes. See Section 6- OEM & AFTERMARKET STRAPS FOR PANERAI WATCHES

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Panerai fans: The “Paneristi”
Panerai watches have many fans around the world that are known as “Paneristi”

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Part II- STAGES IN PANERAI PRODUCTION, CASE TYPES AND ENGRAVING OF PANERAI WATCHES

1- STAGES IN PANERAI PRODUCTION
There are three main stages in the production of Panerai watches as follows:

1.1- VINTAGE MODELS
The Paneari Vintage watches are the models produced from 1936 to 1993.
Really, from 1956 to 1993, merely a few prototypes were made.
It is not the target of this Thread to deal with the complete Panerai history. Therefore we will send you to:
http://paneristi.com/reference/vintage.html
http://rolexblog.blogspot.com.es/2008/09/book-review-100-superlative-rolex_431.html
http://www.vintagepanerai.com/

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1.2- PRE-VENDÔME MODELS
The Pre- Vendôme Panerai watches are the models made between the "rebirth" of Panerai in 1993 to the acquisition of the company by the Vendôme group (now Richemont) in 1997. These watches are very collectible and command an extremely high price on the secondary market.
The basic Pre-Vendôme range consisted of some 44mm hand-wind watches with the classic 44mm Luminor case, and some 42mm Mare Nostrum chronographs. The line also included limited edition Slytech watches, endorsed or commissioned (depending on who you believe) by the film star Sylvester Stallone. The Slytechs are distinguished by the signature of Mr Stallone engraved on the caseback, and some writing on the dial.
All the pre- Vendôme models came on straps with the large "bottle opener" or "fancy" buckle, although the Mare Nostrum buckles were smaller than the full-sized ones.
Most watches came in an oak box, with additional paperwork and straps, however the Slytechs came in a very large box with all manner of gadgets such as the miniature submarine model.
http://www.paneristi.com/archives/mns_review/index.html
The numbers given in the below link (from paneristi.com) for production volumes have been verified as much as possible, and may not necessarily agree with numbers on watch casebacks, rather they are based on actual productions achieved instead of planned productions
http://paneristi.com/reference/prevendome.html
More information in Official web Panerai.
http://www.panerai.com/s_arch_storia.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=2&id_cat_ archivio=64&mode=search

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THE PANERAI PRE-VENDÔME MODELS


1.3- VENDÔME MODELS
The Vendôme Panerai watches are the models produced since the acquisition of Officine Panerai by the Vendôme group in 1997.
Panerai has four major lines of Vendôme watches: Historic, Contemporary, Specialties (or Manifattura) and Special Editions.
Most watches are produced in a limited run (normally of 500, 1000, 2000 or 4000 units) and carry an issue number on the case back. Panerai issues Special Editions every year. See Section 4- CASEBACK ENGRAVED INFORMATION OF A PANERAI WATCH.

These models are the Panerai watches which we will study in this Thread and they are the most numerous, known and popular Panerai watches for people in general.

The Pre-A models
Before the A and B-series (years 1998-1999), it is usually unknown that Officine Panerai issued three (some would say four) small series of watches PAM 001 (Luminor Marina), 002 (Luminor), 003 (white dial Luminor Marina), 004 (PVD Luminor Marina), 009 (PVD Luminor) and 010 (white dial Luminor) to test the market and generate media attention before real production was on its way. Most of these watches were destined to be primarily sold on the Italian, Swiss and German markets. Officine Panerai did so in 1997 and 1998. These, largely unknown, series are now called "Pre-A" series. Simply because they pre-date the 1998 A-series as we all know them.
See below in this thread:
Section 4- CASEBACK ENGRAVED INFORMATION OF A PANERAI WATCH. Paragraph 3) A single English character – Year designator Prefix of the watch.
Section 4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES)
There are very good (and correctly engraved !!) replicas of these watches from DSN.



2- PANERAI CASE TYPES AND SHAPES
Source: Paneraisource.com

2.1- LUMINOR Case

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Probably the most popular of the case styles, the Panerai Luminor case is also the most contemporary looking of all the Panerai watches. With relatively speaking more straight edges the Luminor case style is found in two sizes: 40mm and 44mm.
The Luminor case has the Device Protecting the Crown (Crown Guard) which has become one of the most recognizable Panerai trademarks.


2.2- LUMINOR 1950 Case

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The Luminor 1950 case style is similar to the standard Luminor from the front, but when viewed from the side and the back, the differences are apparent. The case side sweep back gracefully giving it a vintage look, but a little more contemporary looking than say a Radiomir.
The Luminor 1950 style case can also have a uniquely shaped crystal that is domed in an unusual way, very much like the old vintage acrylic Plexi crystals. Not all 1950's cases share this heavily domed crystal. Some feature a more gentle curve resembling the standard Luminor case. This case style also has the Device Protecting the Crown (Crown Guard).The models with the 1950's style case are available in two sizes: 44mm and 47mm.
The models in this case style also tend to be a bit more expensive as they are not available in base models or even minor complications.

In the below picture you can see the shape differences between the two above mentioned Paneari cases.

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SHAPE DIFFERENCES- LUMINOR CASE VS. LUMINOR 1950 CASE


2.3- RADIOMIR Case

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The Radiomir model has perhaps the richest history and comes in the most varieties of case sizes: 42mm, 43mm, 45mm, 46mm and 47mm. Most of the more obscure sizes were used only a handful of times in special editions. The case is rounded and curved with a very vintage look to it.
The Radiomir models do not have a Device Protecting the Crown like the Luminors do, and have "wire lugs" which connect the strap to the case quite differently than most watches nowadays do.



3- PANERAI MOVEMENTS

Officine Panerai have never made a secret of using third-party movements for their watches. Rather they emphasise the fact that they take proven, reliable stock movements, and then transform, or "Panerise" them with additional mechanical and cosmetic features. There are Panerai movements based in: Rolex, Angelus, ETA, Valjoux, Soprod, Zenith, Frédérique Piguet, JLC …

However, starting in 2006, Panerai created their own line of in-house “Manifattura” movements.

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MOVEMENTS IN PANERAI WATCHES

The special decoration of the modified movements and the magnificent and complicated “Manifattura” movements are the big headache for the replica makers, mainly when the PAM to copy has a display caseback

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PANERAI “MANIFATTURA” MOVEMENTS

For all information about the movements used in Panerai watches you can consult the three links as follows:

-PaneariSource: Descriptions and features of all movements indicating the watches fitted with them
http://www.paneraisource.com/panerai_movements.shtml
-Paneristi: Descriptions and features of Panerai movements until 2007
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/mvmt/index.html
-Panerai Official site: Descriptions and features of Panerai in-house “Manifattura” movements
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=37

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PANERAI “MANIFATTURA” MOVEMENTS



4- CASEBACK ENGRAVED INFORMATION OF A PANERAI WATCH.

You can find below the interpretation of the characters and numbers engraved in the caseback of a Panerai watch

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1) OP XXXX – Case No.
OP attached with a four-digit number represents the Case No. of this watch. Panerai models resemble each other in most cases with little differences. Meanwhile, differences in these figures mean that their cases are of different models. They differ from each other in external appearance and material as well as the internal structure. The case number on seemingly identical watches can occasionally change from year to year, presumably because of some microscopic change, or perhaps the case comes from a different manufacturer.

2) BB XXXXXXX or PB XXXXXXX – Serial number of the watch
This group of numbers is the serial number or reference of the watch, which is equivalent to the identity card number and increments with production. The newer the watch, the higher the number. For each different watch, this number will be different.

3) A single English character – Year designator Prefix of the watch
Panerai watches are dated by a letter that appears before the production number. The watch shown in the example above is an “K” production year, which is approximately 2008. The following are the approximate years of production that the letter indicates:

Without Prefix - Vintage: 1936-1956
Without Prefix - Pre-V: 1993-1997
Vendôme
Without Prefix - Pre-A: 1997-1998
A: 1998
B: 1999
C: 2000
D: 2001
E: 2002
F: 2003
G: 2004
H: 2005
I: 2006
J: 2007
K: 2008
L: 2009
M: 2010
N: 2011
O: 2012
P: 2013


From 1956 to 1993, merely a few prototypes were made.

4) XXXX/---- Numbers right behind the Year designator Prefix number – Production number of the watch.
This number represents the order number of the watch under the prefix in a particular given year. When the model is fixed, these numbers composed with the prefix constitute a unique and definite combination.
If the watch is from F series or later, this indicates the production number of this particular watch for a designated year. The above example is 823 of 1000, which means that 1000 units of this very specific model were produced in that year and this is number 823.
If the watch is from A to E series, then this indicates the production number of all dial and case variations of a particular watch. So if the example was 354 of 1000 for an E series Luminor Base, it would mean that all Luminors Base (White dial, Black dial, PVD, Brushed, Polished, etc) had a total production of 1000.

5) -----/XXXX The number after the slash – The annual total of this model
This number represents the total production number of this kind of watch under the prefix in a particular given year. This is a limited edition for Panerai now. Generally speaking, the smaller the number is, the more precious these watches will be, and thus the higher market price they are.
Linking into the following website, you may get some reference information about the productivity of Panerai each year.
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/sortable_database/millesimation.html

6) The fish symbol and XXXm – waterproof mark of the watch
The fish symbol and figure represent the waterproof capacity of this watch. It says 300 meters in the picture.
Contemporarily, waterproof standard of Panerai can be classified as following:
30 meters, 100 meters, 120 meters, 300 meters, 1,000 meters, 2,500 meters.


4.1- ENGRAVING REPLICAS
Concerning the production of replicas it is important bear in mind these systems of caseback engraving, because if the maker is not careful could engrave a wrong or impossible identification number, denouncing immediately we have a replica in our hands.


4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES
It is very interesting and a little complicated the numeration system followed for the Pre-A Panerai watches, but it has fixed rules interesting to know them. It is very important to know the engraving systems of the Pre-A watches in order to understand the careful job done, at this regard, by a maker-dealer like DSN.
DSN dealer is the only maker producing and engraving correctly the Pre-A series.
The Pre-a series of Panerai have three productions with different rules of engraving.

1000 units of PAM 001,002,003,004,009,010 were launched in the first series production of Pre-A series and with two different cases OP6500 and after that OP6502

a) Case OP6500 Pre-A first bach of the first series
They started with serial number BB97001.
It is fairly easy to identify a pre-A watch of the first series. For OP 6500 Pre-A's, the last four digits of the BB-number or serial number should equal the four digits of the production number. The relationship between serial number (BB) and production (0XXX/1000) is always consistent and logical. This last principle holds true for all Pre-A's.
For example, the oldest known of this series is a Pre-A PVD PAM 009 BB970007 – 0007/1000, fondly known as the Bond (007) Panerai. It is just the seventh Vendôme Panerai ever produced. Please note the 0007 of the serial number and the 0007 of the production number are the same.
Another example could be:
OP6500For
BB970499
0499/1000
In this case 0499 are the same in serial and production number.

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In above picture you can see another gen Pre-A watch with OP6500 case. In this case are the serial and production number 0099.

b) Case OP6502 Pre-A watches of the second batch of the first series.
Between these two batches a) and b) of Luminor and Luminor Marina, 400 Mare Nostrum were produced. Then 400 serial numbers were reserved for these Mares.
In this case the last four digits of the BB serial number minus 400 (due to 400 Mare Nostrum), should equal the four digits of the production number
For example:
OP 6502
BB971294
0894/1000
Again, the relationship between serial number and production number is always consistent and logical.

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In above picture you can see a Pre-A series replica from DSN with OP6502 case. In this case the production number is 0123 equal as serial number 0523 minus 400.
Again, the relationship between serial number and production number is always consistent and logical.

c) The Second Pre-A OP 6502 Series - Pre-A's with wrong Year Prefix "A".
Immediately after the 1000 Historical collection Luminors and Luminor Marinas, and well after the 400 numbers reserved for the Mare Nostrums, around serial number BB971400, a second series of Luminors and Luminor Marinas saw the light of day. Again, in total, 1000 OP 6502 PAM 001, 002, 003, 004, 009 and 010 were planned, but this time only about 300 watches were actually made.
The second series of a 1000 watches (or to be more specific 300) is known as the pre-A series WITH prefix "A". Is this contradictory? Not at all, see the above comments by Dirk Grandry. While these watches do have prefix "A", they definitely are pre-A models. They can easily be distinguished from regular A-series models by their serial number. Again, there is a consistent logic between the BB- serial number and the production number.
For all Luminor Marinas within this batch (PAM 001, 003 and 004) it is even easier to tell. The production number format for Pre-A here is A0XXX/1000, where for A-series Luminor Marinas the format should read AXXXX/1500. This is the reason why it is possible to have a PAM 001 Luminor Marina with an A-prefixed millesimation of a 1000 pieces. In the regular A-series ONLY Luminors (bases) have a millesimation limited to 1000, while of the Luminor Marina A-series, 1500 were made. Likewise, an "A" prefixed Luminor with a matriculation number higher than 300 cannot be a Pre-A watch.
For Pre-A OP 6502 watches with prefix "A", the last four digits of the BB-serial number minus 1400, should equal the four digits of the production number.
OP 6502
BB971621
A0221/1000.
Where 221=1621-1400

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In above picture you can see a gen Pre-A series with OP6502 case and with prefix “A”. In this case the production number is 0018 equal as serial number 1418 minus 1400. Again, the relationship between serial number and production number is always consistent and logical.
It is important to say that, as far as I know, the Pre-A replicas DSN meet all requirements concerning engraving rules of Pre-A models.




Part III- REVIEW-GUIDE of Panerai Replicas–Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection

5- REVIEW-GUIDE OF PANERAI REPLICAS

5.1-INTRODUCTION

This PAM REVIEW-GUIDE has been performed in order to be used as a GUIDE, both beginners and experts, to achieve several objectives as follows:

- Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection of a Panerai replica model meeting the specifications, features, colours, quality, materials or finishes that buyer is trying to find.
- Knowing the features and interesting data of the gens and replicas of a particular PAM model
- Knowing the general quality and Evaluation of a replica in comparison with the gen watch
- Making comparisons of features between several models of PAM replicas



Models on which this PAM REVIEW –GUIDE is focused
We only have studied and you will find just Panerai Replica data, whenever they have a minimum level of quality and models in question are not a "fantasy". The PAM REVIEW-GUIDE specializes in VENDÔME models after the acquisition of Panerai in 1997 by Vendôme Group (now Richemont).


This study is a REVIEW-GUIDE of Panerai REPLICA watches. It is NOT a GUIDE of Panerai ORIGINAL GEN watches.
If you want a Panerai Gen models GUIDE, we can consult:
Official Web Panerai:
http://www.panerai.com
PaneraiSource
http://www.paneraisource.com
Paneristi:
http://paneristi.com
However, in the study of each PAM replica we are indicating the links to models and gen websites. So, we can make appropriate comparisons and to know interesting data about each particular gen model


5.2- PRESENTATION AND ORGANIZATION OF WATCHES DATA – USING THE GUIDES

5.2.1- Two groups of information for each model
We will use two groups of information to show and organize the data and main features of each Pam model.

You can see below the Review-Guide information concerning the PAM 177:

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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M&N-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-series Noob)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N & P-series Noob) best option after P-series improved V4
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (P-series Noob improved V4) best option from January 2015 if you get it

The PAM 177 is the same as PAM 176 but with seconds@9.
The PAM 177 is like a version full Brushed Titanium of a PAM 111
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Marina used the OP II movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Marina now contains the OP XI movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
Threfore the gen PAM 177 released in 2004 G-series has OP XI movement and Display caseback.
Both PAM 176-177 with the PAM 306 (Low grade replica) are the only PAM Luminor made of Titanium and with Sandwich dial.
Talking about Titanium gen Panerais, the PAM 177 (like the PAM 176) doesn’t have the charism, the part of legitimity and History that the PAM 036 and 040 have. But concerning replicas, the PAM 176 and 177 are the simplest and the best Titanium PAM replicas at this moment. Reps M-series from H maker are Super reps.


July 2012 -there is a M-series version from Noob evaluated as a Super rep. too

Mars 2013 -there is a version N-series from Noob, seemingly with all improvements of last versions from this maker (models like Pam 111 V3), evaluated as a Super rep.
A good candidate for a first Panerai replica, but be careful because Titanium gets easily scratched.
Nice review with complete and nice pictorial of a PAM 176 which is almost the same as PAM 177 (but without seconds @9 subdial) here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=181725 by kilowattore

July 2014- Noob releases a rep PAM 177 P-series. No improvements announced and by the pics actually there are not modifications, just the engravings on caseback and the Pre-V type hands appropriate for P-series.
No evaluation changes: Super rep.
Many delaers have not changed their catalogues and are still indicating N-series, but you can receive N or P-series (M-series is most likely sold out) depending on the stock of your dealer and the production date of your watch.


2015 NOTE- Since Noob introduced in January 2015 a PAM 176 P-series with some improvements, we could expect (from January 2015) the same with Noob PAM 177 P-series, but neither PAM 176 nor PAM 177 improvements were officially announced by Noob or dealers. Therefore they are not obligated to give those improvements.
Anyway is interesting to know that we could receive an impoved PAM 177 P-series with a bit of luck.
No changes in evaluation but this improved P-series would be clearly the best option available in January 2015.


WARNING REMARKS: From December 2014, Noob, H maker and KW-V6Fac introduced new casesets for Luminor Bettarini 44mm. With improved lug shape, better lug contours, better overall finish, better and nicer CGs. Noob corrected the bevelled of crystals and introduced “slim” Crowns. The main problem is that makers still have “old” parts and are mixing those “old” parts with “new” parts in the current productions.
You should be careful with QC pics in order to know what you are actually receiving.


A good candidate for a first Panerai replica, but be careful because Titanium gets easily scratched.

REPLICA links:
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http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-black-oem-rubber-strap/ Noob N-P
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http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-black-croco-leather-strap/ Noob N-P
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http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap/ Noob N-P
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http://www.tswatchltd.com/12518-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-ru-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
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http://www.tswatchltd.com/12517-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
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http://www.tswatchltd.com/12521-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
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http://www.tswatchltd.com/12403-pa7570b-pam177-n-h-factory-black-dial-ti-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker N
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12370-pa7220b-pam111-m-h-factory-black-dial-ti-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(**)
http://www.2015asian.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2952 Noob N
(**)
http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3199 Noob P-series
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http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=2952 Hmaker N
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http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+177&product_id=566 Noob P (**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=111 Noob N-P
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http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=8701 Hmaker N
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http://www.pf-818.com/pn177n02a-tileblk-p-12133.html Hmaker N
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_9.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3 068&id_categoria=34


As you can see above there are two groups of information for the watch:
- A Data Table (light green frame)
- Review & Interesting Additional Information (below the Data Table)


Data Table for each model contains:
- PAM No. gen identification
- Series Type and Model name of the gen PAM
- 5 photographs showing different positions and details of the replica
- Characteristics and colour of the dial, texture and lume application type
- Finishes and materials of the bezel and case
- Caseback Type: Solid or Display
- Movement of the replica
- Dimensions of the replica: diameter x thickness in mm
- Width between lugs in mm
- Observations of interest

Review & Additional information for each model contains:
- EVALUATION of the replica and some comparisons
- Interesting Auxiliary information about the replica and gen of each PAM model and related watches.
- Links of the most interesting replicas of the PAM model.
- Links to the original websites of gen PAM model which the replica we are studying.

EVALUATION OF REPLICAS
Concerning evaluation of repicas we have made a classification in three levels:
SUPER REPS
– reps very close to the gen in materials, external look (even in side by side comparison), and reliable
FIRST CLASS REPS- reps very close to the gen and reliable, but with some difference in materials, functions… or little differences in external look or colours only remarkable in side by side comparisons.
BAD-LOW GRADE REPS- reps with evident differences with the gen, different materials, functions, colours, very different movement with a display caseback. In general all replicas which have not any good version and are not at all recommendable to buy them.
I will consider the rest of non classified replicas as GOOD OR MEDIUM GRADE REPS
Therefore, all the reps without classification are good o medium grade rep, but usually we will recommend other replicas to buy when we are considering such a type of replicas.


As you can see this "Evaluation system" is not very strict and there is not a fix rule and less an exact DEFINITION.

Please TAKE the EVALUATIONS as a SIMPLE GUIDE to know something about the quality of a replica.

With the complete information of each PAM model, we have created a Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection REVIEW-GUIDE of PAM replicas that consists of THREE SECTIONS in which the data is arranged in three different ways.

Section A-Data Tables arranged in numerical order of PAM No.
This arrangement allows you to find the Data Table of a Paneari replica model immediately, knowing its reference PAM No., because they are placed from lowest to highest PAM No.


Section B-The same Data Tables but arranged by Type Series Panerai (Luminor Base, Luminor Marina, GMT, Submersible, etc ...) and within each series ordered by similar or related models, in order to easier select the best model which fits to our needs.

Section C- Data arranged in an Excel Table.
This arrangement will allow you using the Excel functions and the Excel software abilities for Search, Identification and Selection purposes.



5.2.2-Using the Guides
As we have already commented previously, these three Sections of the Guide will allow us the Search, Identification, Evaluation and Selection of a specific PAM rep or a model which meets the features we wish.

Using the Section A of the Guide, we will be able to know that a PAM 228 is a Luminor GMT, model Firenze, with Blue dial, type “sausage” lume application, brushed SS case, polished SS bezel, solid caseback, dimensions 44x16,5mm, lug 24mm. We can see also in the Guide that PAM 228 is the same as PAM 297 but with blue dial and rubber strap instead of SS bracelet. Moreover we will have several links to know perfectly the history and features of the gen Pam 228 and the most known and interesting reps in the market for this model.

In the same way in case we are looking for a PAM replica which has:
- Black Sandwich dial type
- Brushed Luminor 1950 case
- Polished bezel
- Automatic movement
Using the Guide Section B or better the Excel Table Section C, searching for replicas with Luminor 1950 case, we find five models which meet these requirements:

- PAM 328 made of SS, SS bracelet
- PAM 312 made of SS, leather strap
- PAM 320 made of SS, GMT, leather strap
- PAM 329 made of SS, GMT, SS bracelet
- PAM 233 made of SS, GMT, Power Reserve indicator

Now, within these five models which meet the starting requirements we will make the final selection, following our personal taste or feeling.
If we don’t want GMT function we will go to PAM 328 or 312 depending on our preferences about leather strap or SS bracelet.
If we like the GMT models, will choose either PAM 320 or 329 depending on the strap we want: leather or SS bracelet.
If we prefer a more complicated watch or dial with GMT function and Power Reserve indicator we will choose the PAM 233.
And in this way we will arrive to the best choice that meets our requirements.


GLOSSARY
Automatic (movement)- Movement which has a mechanical device to be winded automatically
Bracelet-Metallic strap for watches usually made of links
Brushed- Finish obtained by brushing a surface by abrasive particles in the same direction
Carbon fiber dial- Dial with appearance (or texture) or made of Carbon fiber.
Clou de Paris- It is a type of texture engraved in the surface of a Panerai dial
Composite- Panerai Composite is a material that is the result of an electrochemical process of Ceramization of Aluminium. This material is harder than SS and Titanium and it is even up to 40% harder than ceramic. Its weight is much lighter too.
Cyclops- Lens placed either in the crystal or in the dial to magnify the font of the date in order to make easier its reading.
Date adjustment @10- Device to change the date by a pusher @10 instead of the crown. No functional in 7750 movements only operative for 7753 movements.
Diver markers- Engraving in bezel or dial used to measure the time of immersions in diving
DLC coating- DLC or Diamond-Like Carbon coating is the highest quality in coating, the most durable and hardest to scratch. The coating is done with the bonding of high energy percursive carbon rapidly cooled down on the surface. DLC coatings are made by the PVD process and it is actually a high grade of PVD coatings. See PVD coating.
Display caseback- See-through caseback, it allows to see the movement
Dome crystal- Dome shaped crystal. Sometimes the Panerai domed crystal is made of Plexiglass.
DSN- Reduced name of Davidsen maker-dealer of famous, accurate and carefully engraved Panerai replicas of several stages of Panerai production.
Helium valve- A Helium release valve, or Helium escape valve, as it is also called, is a feature found on some diving watches. It provides functionality for professional divers operating at great depths for prolonged periods of time or under saturation.
Hobnail- It is a type of texture engraved in the surface of a Panerai dial
Flat dial- Dial with non textured or engraved surface
Lume- It is the system used for timepieces to be read in the dark, a luminescent material is laid on the dial indexes and hands.
Luminova- Modern luminescent material currently used for the lume in the Panerai watches
Manual (movement)- Movement which needs to be winded manually
NSEW (bezel)- Engraving in bezel, meaning North-South-East-West, used to determine the cardinal points
Patina Lume- Sometimes the luminescent material of a lume achieve an aged colour (patina) by the passage of time. You can use an aged lume colour (patina lume) to simulate the patina of an old dial.
Polished- Finish similar to a mirror
PVD coating- Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD) is the method used to deposit thin layers of material by condensation of vapor in a high temperature and vacuum environment. Better by far than a Painting treatment. See DLC coating.
Sandblasted- Finish obtained (or similar to obtained) by applying a jet of abrasive sand under pressure (sandblasted) over a surface. The finish is similar to a matt ceramic.
Sandwich (dial)- Sandwich dials are where numbers and minute markers are cut out of the metal plate which forms the visible dial (behind the crystal). Behind this is a second metal plate with recessed areas where a thick luminous paste is applied, the areas corresponding to the cut-outs in the first metal plate, thus “sandwiching” the luminous material between the two metal plates.
Sausage (dial)- It is a dial with just one layer where the luminescent material is applied directly over the dial markers (usually embossed) and the final appearance is like a “sausage”. By extension we have called Sausage all non Sandwich dials
Solid caseback- Caseback opaque or non see-through, this type of caseback doesn’t allow to see the movement
SS- Stainless Steel
Tachymeter- Engraving in bezel or dial used to speed measurementsd.
Tritium (lume-dial)- It is the name used to nominate the dials which have a Luminescent material based in Tritium. Used by Panerai from 1946.
Tuxedo- It is a type of texture (parallel lines like) engraved in the surface of a Panerai dial (PAM 029)
Woven- It is a type of texture engraved in the surface of a Panerai dial

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REVIEW - GUIDES
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GUIDE Section A
5.3- GUIDE Section A - with REVIEW and additional information
Panerai Replica Review-Guide placed in numerical order from PAM 000 to PAM 425

ADVICE: Before using this PAM REVIEW-GUIDE, it is strongly recommended carefully reading Part II and the beginning of Part III (Introduction, Presentation and Organization of data), in order to well understand all terms and data included.
You will need to read it few minutes but will save a lot of time and get effectiveness in the future use of the Guide.


PAM000-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N-series Noob) (from the end 2012 version called V2.5 with 111 V3 improvements the best available at this moment)

The PAM 000 is the same as PAM 005 but without seconds@9 subdial
There are more watches related to PAM 000:
PAM 002 is similar but with Tritium dial and without logo
PAM 009 has similar structure but is PVD coated and has Tritium dial without logo.
PAM 360 is also a Logo and has similar structure but is PVD coated and has patina lume. Moreover this watch is a very special Unique Edition (see Pam 360)
If you are looking for a clean and basic Panerai watch similar to PAM 000 and you want a more “warm” version, you have the PAM 390 Boutique Edition with Brown Sausage dial and gold hands.
The PAM 000, aka “Zero” or “Logo”, is a called Luminor “Base” model (only hour and minute hands in the dial), is the more basic watch of the Luminor series, faithful to the heritage of pre-Vendome Panerai the original Logo 5218-201/A.
"Logo" was also the nickname that collectors used when referring to the Pre-Vendome 5218-201/A base model. That watch too has the OP logo on the dial and the current PAM 000 resembles the 201/A quite a bit. The value of the original Logo is of course 10 to 20 times higher and hard to find as it has become a true collectors item in the last few years. But bear in mind that it will not be easy either getting a new PAM 000 from an AD.
PAM 000 is very appreciate for its simplicity, the logo is its only concession.
The high price and collectible pre-Vendome 5218-201/A, 5218-209/A and PAM 000-005-318-195-360-380-424 are the only available Panerai watches with the legend OP Logo.
Introduced in the G-series in 2004, the Logos might count as part of the Luminor Marina and Luminor Base line, but they rather stand out on their own. The Logos are versions of the Marina and Base, but with solid casebacks, and sporting the original "OP" logo on the dial. They seem to be squarely aimed at the enthusiast, although tend to be billed as "entry level" models, since the solid caseback means that movements require less decoration.
The OP Logo is made up of the letters O and P which of course stand for Officine and Panerai. There are also two arrows in the logo - one pointing up and one pointing down-. These refer to the fact that Panerai was a specialist in manufacturing underwater products and landing aid systems. The down arrow referred to the under water (diving) products, the up arrow referred to the other tools.
There are PAM 000 replicas from regular dealers and from DSN. The new generation of reps is very good and we can consider that the N-series from H maker and Noob are Super reps. The main flaw of this replicas is the structure of sausage lume application which, as usually in sausage dials, is different from gen. But this is a normal issue in rep sausage dials few noticeable in practice, mainly for no very expert eyes.

Last quarter 2012- Noob starts to introduce the improvements of V3 PAM 111 in all Luminor cases 44mm. Therefore from the end of 2012 these models, PAM 000 included, get V3 improvements. Some dealers call this version V2.5 and is better than previous versions.
Noob 44mm case was usually better than H maker, now V3 is clearly better. There is a good review about this comparison made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
A perfect candidate for a first Panerai replica

REPLICA links:
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http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam000-n-h-maker-superlumed-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Hmaker
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http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam000-m-noob-best-edition-transparent-ar-on-black-croco-strap/ Noob
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12306-pa6890b-pam000-n-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/10920-pa5130b100-pam000n-panerai-luminor-super-lume-ss-lt-asian-6497-manual-wind.html H maker
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11817-xfpa7070-pam000-m-luminor-black-ss-ru-noobfactory-best-version-asian-6497.html Noob
(**)
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?P_id=2317&ti= Noob
(**)
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=198&P_id=2247&ti= Hmaker
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http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=143&P_id=2318&ti= Noob
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http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+000&product_id=163 Noob
(**)
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=483 Noob
(**)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=8430 Hmaker
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http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7024 Noob
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http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6549 Hmaker
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=85293 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/Pam%20000%20G/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_1.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/logo.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=4415&id_categoria=33
**



PAM001-Pre-ATRITIUMicopiar.jpg

The PAM 001 has a similar structure to PAM 005 but without Logo and it has Tritium dial. See PAM 005 for more related watches.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.

http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The Pre-A models have the dial marked T-SWISS-T (note the hyphens), and the caseback engraving keep some rules which are indicated in Section
4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES
In Pre-A series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are less open and not so rounded. The stem of the "2" does not go up first and then to the right (like in A or B-series), but immediately starts-off in a diagonal direction. They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A, regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:

http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
This replica watch is exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct Pre-A T-SWISS-T dial and correct Pre-A caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, but has some flaws. If you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to an excellent Super rep of PAM 005.

REPLICA links:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=74969 DSN
GEN links:
http://www.watches24seven.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=5238
http://www.artoftime.com/web/en/watches/index.htm?showid=10477
Above links have the Tritium dial like DSN rep.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_153.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not Pre-A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
**



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The PAM 001 has a similar structure to PAM 005 but without Logo and it has Tritium dial. See PAM 005 for more related watches.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.

http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The A-series and early B-series have the dial marked T SWISS T (without hyphens). In the caseback engraving they have Prefix A (1998) or B (1999) of production year, and the last four figures of the serial number don’t coincide or don’t have relation with the production number just after the Prefix A or B and before the slash and the annual total quantity of this model (like it happens in a Pre-A watch). See Section
4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES .
In A and B series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are more open and rounded. The stem of the "2" go up first and then to the right, it doesn’t start-off immediately in a diagonal direction (like in a Pre-A watch). They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A and regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:

http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
This replica watch is exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct A and B-series T SWISS T dial and correct caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, better than other replicas of this watch, but has some flaws. Therefore, if you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to an excellent Super rep of PAM 005.


REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=77340 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%2001a%20watch/ DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%2001B/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Above link has the Tritium dial like DSN rep.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_153.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not Pre-A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
**



PAM001-luminova-finalcopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The PAM 001 has a similar structure to PAM 005 but without Logo and it has Tritium dial. This PAM 001 is the CG on the Right version of PAM 022 Destro. See PAM 005 for more related watches.
This is a replica from latter 1999 B-series after the Tritium dial ones, so it has Luminova dial. The Luminova dial is marked L SWISS L instead T SWISS T.
There are no first grade replicas of this watch (see this replica watch from DSN in the above Data Table). However there are very good replicas of PAM 005. Therefore, these PAM 001 replicas are not advisable and we should go to an excellent Super rep of PAM 005.

See an interesting and fantastic "franken" build by Grimlocktime here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=204347 by Grimlocktime

REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/search/?searchstring=pam001&x=53&y=8 PAM001 B
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=112 PAM001 B
Above link from TrustyTime has an inaccurate Bracelet instead of leather strap

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_153.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
**



PAM002-Pre-ATritiumcopiar.jpg

The PAM 002 has similar structure to PAM 000 but without logo and with Tritium dial. And it is the same as PAM 001 but without seconds@9.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.

http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The Pre-A models have the dial marked T-SWISS-T (note the hyphens), and the caseback engraving keep some rules which are indicated in Section
4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES .
In Pre-A series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are less open and not so rounded. The stem of the "2" does not go up first and then to the right (like in A or B-series), but immediately starts-off in a diagonal direction. They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A, regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:

http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
This replica watch is exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct Pre-A T-SWISS-T dial and correct Pre-A caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, but has some flaws. If you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to an excellent Super rep of PAM 000.


REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=74295 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%2002A/ DSN
GEN Links:
http://www.watches24seven.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=18303
Above link has the Tritium dial like DSN rep.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_148.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not Pre-A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
**



PAM002-ATRITFINAL.jpg

The PAM 002 has similar structure to PAM 000 but without logo. And it is the same as PAM 001 but without seconds@9.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.

http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The A-series and early B-series have the dial marked T SWISS T (without hyphens). In the caseback engraving they have Prefix A (1998) or B (1999) of production year, and the last four figures of the serial number don’t coincide or don’t have relation with the production number just after the Prefix A or B and before the slash and the annual total quantity of this model (like it happens in a Pre-A watch). See Section
4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES .
In A and B series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are more open and rounded. The stem of the "2" go up first and then to the right, it doesn’t start-off immediately in a diagonal direction (like in a Pre-A watch). They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A and regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:

http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
This is a replica watch A-series exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct A-series T SWISS T dial and correct caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, better than the other replicas of this watch, but has some flaws. Therefore, if you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to an excellent Super rep of PAM 000.


REPLICA links:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=81136 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%2002A/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_148.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
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The PAM 004 seems the CG on the Right version of PAM 026 Destro, but this is not really the true, because the PAM 004 is Sausage dial and 026 is Sandwich dial. This watch has similar structure to PAM 195 but without logo. We could say that it is a PVD coated version of PAM 005 with Tritium dial.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.

http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The Pre-A models have the dial marked T-SWISS-T (note the hyphens), and the caseback engraving keep some rules which are indicated in Section
4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES .
In Pre-A series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are less open and not so rounded. The stem of the "2" does not go up first and then to the right (like in A or B-series), but immediately starts-off in a diagonal direction. They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A, regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:

http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
Attention, because, the photobucket of DSN in the moment of writing this thread was wrong with a dial typical of a regular series, because it was marked T SWISS T (without hyphens) instead of T-SWISS-T like a Pre-A model, and the shape of the markers 12 and 6 were not Pre-A.
This replica watch is exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct Pre-A T-SWISS-T dial and correct Pre-A caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, but has some flaws. If you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to a First Class rep of PAM 195.


REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=74971 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%20004%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.watches.de/en/products/officine-panerai/officine-panerai-pam4-pre-a-op6500-case-pam0004-pre-a-pam-4-pre-a
Above link is a correct Pre-A watch
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_155.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not Pre-A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
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PAM005-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M&N-series Noob, K&M-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP best version (N-series V2 Noob)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP best version (N-series V2 Hmaker)

The PAM 005 is the same as PAM 000 but with seconds@9 subdial
There are many Panerai watches related to PAM 005 type, with Sausage dial and seconds sub-dial.

With Logo in the dial we have:
PAM 318 the same but with “Brooklyn Brigde” engraved caseback.
PAM 195 is a PVD coated version

Without Logo in the dial and made of SS we have:
PAM 001 very similar, but Pre-A , A and B models have Tritium dial.
PAM 022 Destro version of PAM 001, watches from A-series have Tritium dial, after them Luminova dial
PAM 366 “Fu”dedicated to China with a Chinese character @6 and cream patina

PAM 367 dedicated to China, but the chinese character @6 has been replaced with the traditional "6" and cream patina.
PAM 004 PVD coated version with Tritium dial
Without Logo and made of full Brushed Titanium we have:
PAM 082 “Amerigo Vespucci” with Blue dial
PAM 118 with Display caseback
PAM 117 Destro version of PAM 118
PAM 056 Destro version of PAM 118 but with Solid caseback and different movement.
PAM 036 a very Special Edition with Brown Tritium dial and Display caseback showing a OP II movement.
PAM 040 a very Special Edition with Black Tritium dial and Solid caseback
Introduced in the G-series in 2004, the Logos might count as part of the Luminor Marina and Luminor Base line, but they rather stand out on their own. The Logos are versions of the Marina and Base, but with solid casebacks, and sporting the original "OP" logo on the dial. They seem to be squarely aimed at the enthusiast, although tend to be billed as "entry level" models, since the solid caseback means that movements require less decoration. They are fitted with the Panerai OP II movemnt.
The OP Logo is made up of the letters O and P which of course stand for Officine and Panerai. There are also two arrows in the logo - one pointing up and one pointing down-. These refer to the fact that Panerai was a specialist in manufacturing underwater products and landing aid systems. The down arrow referred to the under water (diving) products, the up arrow referred to the other tools.

The high price and collectible pre-Vendome 5218-201/A, 5218-209/A and PAM 000-005-318-195-360-380-424 are the only available Panerai watches with the legend OP Logo.
There are PAM 005 replicas from regular dealers and from DSN. The 2011 generation of reps is very good and we can consider that the reps K & M-series from H maker and M & N-series Noob are Super reps. The main flaw of this replicas is the structure ofsausage lume application which, as usually in sausage dials, is different fromgen. But this is a normal issue in rep sausage dials few noticeable in practice, mainly for no very expert eyes.
The sausage dials in these 2011 versions (as usually) and crystal of H maker seem better but the rest of the watch is better in Noob.

October 2012- Noob factory has introduced a V2 version of PAM 005 N-series. This version gets the improvements of PAM 111 V3.

Maybe the first batches of this version were released without all improvements of Noob V3 case. Therefore, when Noob V3 case introduction was assured,
some dealers called V2.5 this “final” version, but it is not actually a new version, just a V2 with assured improvements of Noob V3 case.
This version has corrected thickness of lume markers (even it is a little thick), but in general it is more accurate than previous versions either H maker or Noob. See comparisons on below pic:


PAM005LUMECOMPARISONGEN-H-NOOB.jpg


This V2 Noob version is even fitted with a Replica of the Pamerai OPII movement with flat-top bridges making the replica more accurate although the solid caseback and features the nice CG and the Pre-V type hands of PAM 111 V3 from Noob.
Being purist, these replicas are better than PAM 111 ones, because the solid caseback doesn’t allow to see the evident flaws of Y shape Incablock, some faults in the Swan Neck and other flaws in the movement.
Noob 44mm case was usually better than H maker, now V3 is clearly better. There is a good review about this comparison made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE

Starting 2013- H maker introduces its N-series version V2, with the corrected OPII movement and thicker markers (similar to Noob)

See this thread by Klockis:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=142499&p=1411019#post-1411019 by Klockis
Therefore, we can consider this PAM 005 N-series V2 from Noob and H maker the most accurate Super rep at this moment of this watch.

April 2013- Kuvarsit releases a PAM 005 N-series. In a first impression the case seems the same as new KW Luminor Boutiques, now under review from Klockis and ALE
We have not evaluated yet the dial but it seems that the markers are a little thicker than gen. But seeing the quality of the lume application in Boutiques dial surely it is a very high quality too. Strangely hands are not Pre-V type. We will see future evaluations.
Regarding accuracy of KW dial, there is an interesting build by Bozz in this thread:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=179599 by Bozz
Bozz is using a case from a PAM 390 Noob with CG-Crown KW and dial KW. Judge by yourself.

January 2014-
Asian7750 includes in its catalogue the H maker N-series fitted with OPII decorated movement like previously was announced (Starting 2013)
A perfect candidate for a first Panerai replica.

REPLICA links:
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http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam005-n-v2-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-lether-strap-with-pre-v-hands/ V2 Noob N
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http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam005-n-v2-noob-best-edition-on-black-croco-strap-with-pre-v-hands/ V2 Noob N
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http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam005-n-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob N
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http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam005-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob M
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http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam005-m-h-best-edition-on-custom-light-brown-leather-strap/ H maker M
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http://www.tswatchltd.com/13157-xfpa4720-pam005-n-v2-noobfactory-ss-lt-1-1-best-asian-6497.html V2 Noob N
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http://www.tswatchltd.com/13159-xfpa4740-pam005-n-v2-noobfactory-ss-lt-1-1-best-asian-6497.html V2 Noob N
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http://www.tswatchltd.com/12305-pa6880b-pam005-m-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html H maker M
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http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=198&P_id=2270&ti= Noob M
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http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2964&ti= V2 H maker N
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http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2965&ti= V2 H maker N
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http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+005&product_id=511 V2 Noob N
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http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=101 V2 Noob N
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=112817 DSN
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=87900 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20Born%20005G/DSN
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=87463 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20Born%20Pam%20005H/DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_3.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/logo.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=4416&id_categoria=34

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PAM009-PRE-AFINALcopiar-1_zpsad534122.jpg

The PAM 009 has similar structure to PAM 360 but without logo. This watch is like a PVD coated version of a PAM 000 but with tritium dial. It is the same as PAM 004 but without seconds@9.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.

http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The Pre-A models have the dial marked T-SWISS-T (note the hyphens), and the caseback engraving keep some rules which are indicated in Section
4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES .
In Pre-A series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are less open and not so rounded. The stem of the "2" does not go up first and then to the right (like in A or B-series), but immediately starts-off in a diagonal direction. They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A, regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:

http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
This replica watch is exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct Pre-A T-SWISS-T dial and correct Pre-A caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, but has some flaws. If you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to a First Class rep of PAM 360.


REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=74972 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%20009/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_149.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not Pre-A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
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PAM022copiar.jpg

The PAM 022 is the Destro version of PAM 001 which has CG on the Right.
The PAM 022 A-series 1998 was made with Tritium dial and after with Luminova dial.
This is an exclusive replica from DSN catalogue, it is a 1999 B-series with Luminova dial and vintage lume. The movement of this replica is not close to the gen because gen is Panerai OPII, but since the caseback is solid, there is no big problem and we can consider it as a quite good replica.


REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/?t=90211 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20022B%20destro%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_157.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/destro.html
http://www.newturfers.com/bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?tid=39969
Above link is a very rare PAM 022 B-series fitted by Tritium dial instead of Luminova like a regular B-series watch.
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PAM023-deficopiar.jpg

The PAM 023 has similar structure to the PAM 029, but 023 has a Flat surface dial instead of 029 engraved Tuxedo dial and 023 has second markers around the dial (like the old version of PAM 029). PAM 023 and 029 were produced in A and B-series. A-series was fitted with Tritium dial marked T SWISS MADE T.
The PAM 023 was originally introduced in 1998 as a regular production A-series watch and again in 1999 as a B-series watch. In typical Panerai fashion, the PAM 023 models were made in low production numbers and then discontinued.
PAM 023 is with the PAM 029 the only Panerai watches with a Rolex Explorer style bezel (in 2000 Panerai changes to inner dial GMT markers with the PAM 063).
GMT PAM 023 has central second hand like GMT PAM 029 and 063 (in 2001 Panerai changed to seconds@9 sub-dial in GMT models with the PAM 088).
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
PAM 023 has, like the PAM 029 and 063 a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer is visible (in 2001 Panerai changed and GMT hand became all silvered, and a lot more visible with the PAM 088).
This is a replica PAM 023 A-series with Tritium T SWISS MADE T dial exclusive from DSN catalogue, and comes with Asian or Swiss movement. It is a quite good replica, but it doesn’t arrive to the quality of the Super rep PAM 029 from Noob.


REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=97191 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Luminor%20GMT%20watches/Pam%20new%20born%20023A%20Gmt%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_36.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
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PAM024-AAcopiar.jpg

The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 A-series is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case&bezel, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and brushed case&bezel.
The titanium version PAM 025 Submersible is about 20% lighter than the PAM024 SS.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 024 A-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and doesn’t have the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the following PAM 024 D-series).
You can see a good pictorial of this replica version 2012 in:
The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 A-series is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case&bezel, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and brushed case&bezel.
The titanium version PAM 025 Submersible is about 20% lighter than the PAM024 SS.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 024 A-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and doesn’t have the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the following PAM 024 D-series).
You can see a good pictorial of this replica version 2012 in:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=122833?p=1209723
by madcatlancelot.
Mini-review and comparison to gen:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=190056 by taiji, with Grimlocktime comments about DSN PAM 025 A
This replica from DSN is a very good rep, but if you are not specifically looking for an old model or Polished Sub, the best current choice for a similar PAM Sub is an excellent PAM 243.


REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=56870 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Submersible%20Steel%20watches/Pam%20024A%20submersible%20watches/ DSN
GEN links:
The watches of below links are gen of the current series. Because the PAM 024 A-series, like the rep we are talking above, came without black minute indices between 12 and 3 in the bezel. We are showing them for informative purposes.

http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_25.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=727&id_categoria=36
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PAM024-DDcopiar.jpg

The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 D-series is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case with brushed bezel, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and full brushed case-bezel.
The titanium version PAM 025 Submersible is about 20% lighter than the PAM024 SS.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 024 D-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and has already the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the above PAM 024 A-series)
This replica from DSN is a very good rep, but if you are not specifically looking for an old model Polished case Sub, the best current choice for a similar PAM Sub is an excellent PAM 243.


REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=56929 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Submersible%20Steel%20watches/Pam%20024D/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_25.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=727&id_categoria=36
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PAM024copiar.jpg

The PAM 024 is similar to the PAM 199 but with Flat surface dial instead of textured dial, moreover the PAM 199 is a Limited Edition
The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case with brushed bezel, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and full brushed case-bezel.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 024 from D-series onwards has already the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the above PAM 024 A-series)
These reps have no correct caseback engraving and their quality is not very good. If you are looking for a PAM 024 it would be a better purchase the PAM 024 A or D-series from DSN. And even better go to a PAM 243.


REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/8117-pa7440-pam00024-luminor-submersible-44mm-black-dial-ss-ny-asian-21j-.html no longer available
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=32 PAM024 A7750
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=10 PAM024 21J
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_25.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=727&id_categoria=36
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PAM025-A-seriescopiar.jpg

The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and brushed case.
The titanium version PAM 025 Submersible is about 20% lighter than the PAM024 SS. Even though it is lighter, it still has a solid feel and feels great on the wrist, like sports watches should.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case and Flat surface dial.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 025 A-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and doesn’t have the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the following PAM 025 D-series)
The Pam 025 D-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and has already the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see above PAM 025 A-series)
Mini-review and comparison to gen:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=190056 by taiji, with Grimlocktime comments about DSN PAM 025 A
This replica from DSN is a very good rep, but if you are not specifically looking for an old model or Polished Sub, the best current choice for a similar PAM Sub is an excellent PAM 243.
Little review and comparison pics of DSN rep PAM 025 D-series with a gen PAM 025 E-series here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=72124 by gB
Above review is for a DSN PAM 025 D-series but in general the comparison and conclusions are valid for A-series too, leaving aside the comments about minute markers on bezel which are no existent in A-series
From pics and comments of above link you can see the flaws as follows:
- LUG shape is clearly wrong (and really ugly)
- Bezel shape is wrong, with wider knurling and sharper transition edge.
- Markers on bezel are really taller and number fonts are bigger and a bit wrong.
- Pearl is bigger and has wrong colour
- Dial dots have thicker metallic contour
- Caseback engravings are good enough but dots at the sides of OFFICINE PANERAI are bigger and TITANIUM is placed in a different position, closer to the next dot
- CG seems good enough but lever shape is different and CG pin is smaller
- Crown is clearly placed lower
Therefore this replica from DSN is a quite good rep, but if you are not specifically looking for an old model, Titanium or textured dial Sub, the best current choice for a similar PAM Sub is an excellent PAM 243.


REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=56928 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20%20Titanium%2044mm%20Submersile%20%20watches/Pam%20025A/ DSN
GEN links:
The watches of below links are gen of the current series, the PAM 025 A-series, like the rep we are talking above, came without black minute indices between 12 and 3 in the bezel. We are showing them for informative purposes.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_26.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=728&id_categoria=36
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PAM025-D-seriescopiar.jpg

The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and brushed case.
The titanium version PAM 025 Submersible is about 20% lighter than the PAM024 SS. Even though it is lighter, it still has a solid feel and feels great on the wrist, like sports watches should.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case and Flat surface dial.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 025 D-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and has already the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see above PAM 025 A-series)
Little review and comparison pics of DSN rep PAM 025 D-series with a gen PAM 025 E-series here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=72124 by gB
From pics and comments of above link you can see the flaws as follows:
- LUG shape is clearly wrong (and really ugly)
- Bezel shape is wrong, with wider knurling and sharper transition edge.
- Markers on bezel are really taller and number fonts are bigger and a bit wrong.
- Black minute markers on bezel between 12 and 3 are a little shiny in rep and completely matt in gen
- Pearl is bigger and has wrong colour
- Dial dots have thicker metallic contour
- Caseback engravings are good enough but dots at the sides of OFFICINE PANERAI are bigger and TITANIUM is placed in a different position, closer to the next dot
- CG seems good enough but lever shape is different and CG pin is smaller
- Crown is clearly placed lower
Therefore this replica from DSN is a quite good rep, but if you are not specifically looking for an old model, Titanium or textured dial Sub, the best current choice for a similar PAM Sub is an excellent PAM 243.


REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=56871 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20%20Titanium%2044mm%20Submersile%20%20watches/Pam%20025D/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_26.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=728&id_categoria=36
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PAM026-defi-finalcopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (K-series Noob) best option
Evaluation thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=136854
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (K-series H maker)

The PAM 026 is not exactly the Destro version of PAM 004 CG on the Right, because the PAM 026 is sandwich dial and PAM 004 is sausage dial.
The PAM 026 is like a Destro version PVD coated and with Solid caseback of a PAM 111.
The gen PAM 026 was a unique 2008 Edition of 1000 Watches. This is a Re-Issue of the original PAM 026 from 1998-1999 and uses the same model reference number.
There are two good replicas from DSN of this watch
-1999 B-series with Tritium dial T SWISS T and patina lume
-2008 K-series with Luminova dial
The replicas PAM 026K from H maker are Super reps.
There is a version V1 and a new version V2 more like pencil lead colour and more accurate to the gen.

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=180564
For information about rep-gen comparison read the below link of a thread by Alvinado:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=94703
and http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=117788 By ericb196

July 2012 -Noob has introduced its first version of PAM 026 K, at this moment this called V3 version.
Pictorial review, comparison of colour V1-V2-V3 (V3 is more Dark Pencil Lead like gen) and info here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/just-landed-noob-112364?p=1099206 by gianton
To summarize gianton review:
V3 Noob has: Better colour, CG with square edges, Canon Pin flat and polished, Deeper recessed dial indices and numbers and better printing of text on the dial.
We have an Evaluation thread of this Noob V3 version:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=136854
A good candidate for a first PAM replica
REPLICA links:
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http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam026-k-11-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap/ Noob K V3
(**)
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam026-k-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-calf-leather-strap/ Noob K V3
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12637-xfpab026-pam026-k-noobfactory-best-1-1-version-dlc-asian-6497.html Noob K V3
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http://www.tswatchltd.com/12636-xfpa026-pam026-k-noobfactory-best-1-1-version-dlc-asian-6497.html Noob K V3
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http://www.tswatchltd.com/12453-pa7930b-pam026-k-h-factory-black-dial-dlc-ru-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker K
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http://www.tswatchltd.com/12446-pa7880b-pam026-k-h-factory-black-dial-dlc-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker K
(**)
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=200&P_id=2114&ti= Hmaker K
(**)
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+026&product_id=109 Hmaker K
(**)
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+026&product_id=603 Noob K V3
(**)
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=105 Noob K V3
(**)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=9036Hmaker K
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-born-pam-90213?t=90213&highlight=pam+026b DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20Born%20PVD%20026B%20destro%20watch/ DSN
Above links are for PAM 026B Tritium dial patina lume from DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/PVD%20026K/ DSN
Above link is for PAM 026K Luminova dial from DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_158.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/destro.html

http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2008/110-luminor-marina-left-handed-pam00026
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PAM027-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (DSN) (see comments)

The gen PAM 027 and 028 introduced in 1998 were the first Power Reserve with this type of dial having Power Reserve indicator @6, date with cyclops @3 , big central seconds hand and solid caseback.
There are three Power Reserve watches with this structure: PAM 027 full polished SS version with Black Flat surface dial, PAM 028 PVD coated and Black Hobnail textured dial and the PAM 057 Titanium and Brown Hobnail textured dial.
These watches (gen and rep) have a Soprod modified ETA base movement to get the Power Reserve function.
First series 1998 of PAM 027 have a Tritium dial T SWISS T, and after they change to Luminova L SWISS L
Exclusive from DSN catalogue there are replicas PAM 027 1998 A-series with Tritium T SWISS T dial and 1999 B-series with Luminova L SWISS L dial, and they are First Class reps.
They all are not as accurate as Noob or H maker replicas but are extremely well built and the movement is like gen. Bearing in mind this quality of manufacture we can consider them as First Class reps high level
To know all details about this rep consult this magnificent full review from Grimlocktime:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=174289 by Grimlocktime
Nice pictorial and comments here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=172098 by Grimlocktime

REPLICA links:
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http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=41315 027A DSN
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http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=42967 027B DSN
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http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/dsnwatches/library/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20movt/New%20Pam%20027A?sort=3&page=1 027A DSN
(*)
http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/dsnwatches/library/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20movt/New%20Pam%20027B?sort=3&page=1 027B DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_202.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html
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PAM028copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN) (see comments)(This evaluation is under revision due to a review from Grimlocktime)
The gen PAM 027 and 028 introduced in 1998 were the first Power Reserve with this type of dial having Power Reserve indicator @6, date with cyclops @3, big central seconds hand and solid caseback.
There are three Power Reserve watches with this structure: PAM 027 full polished SS version with Black Flat surface dial, PAM 028 PVD coated and Black Hobnail textured dial and the PAM 057 Titanium and Brown Hobnail textured dial.
These watches (gen and rep) have a Soprod modified ETA base movement to get the Power Reserve function.
First series 1998 of PAM 028 had a Tritium dial T SWISS T, and after it changed to Luminova L SWISS L
Exclusive from DSN catalogue there are replicas PAM 028 1998 A-series with Tritium T SWISS T dial and 1999/2000 B/C-series with Luminova L SWISS L dial, there are differences in colour of the lume, and in Power Reserve indicator. They all are not as accurate as Noob or H maker replicas but are extremely well built and the movement is like gen. Bearing in mind this quality of manufacture we can consider them as First Class reps medium level. (This evaluation is under revision due to a review from Grimlocktime)
Interesting pics and differences between A and B-series in below thread:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=136762 by cayman909
You can see in below threads maybe the best builds ever made of PAM 028 rep, by master Grimlocktime

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192262 by Grimlocktime
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/212503-My-Honpo-28A-Almost-Done-and-Even-Closer-to-Gen by Grimlocktime

REPLICA links:
(*)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=42969 DSN (*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20movt/Pam%20028A/ DSN (*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20movt/New%20Pam%20028B/ DSN
(*)
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20movt/New%20Pam%20028C/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_203.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html
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PAM029-DSNcopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN model) (see comments)
This is the PAM 029A which was originally introduced in 1998 as a regular production A-series watch and again in 1999 as a B-series watch. In typical Panerai fashion, the PAM 029 models were made in low production numbers and then discontinued. This original PAM29 had small second markers on the dial (like the PAM 023) which has been omitted on the 2010 version. Furthermore the original version PAM 029 has Tritium vintage lume indices and numbers as opposed to the new 2010 version for which Luminova was used.
The PAM 029 has similar structure to the PAM 023, but 029 has a beautiful engraved Tuxedo dial.
PAM 029 is with the PAM 023 the only Panerai watches with a Rolex Explorer style bezel (in 2000 Panerai changes to inner dial GMT markers with the PAM 063).
GMT PAM 029 has central second hand like GMT PAM 023 and 063 (in 2001 Panerai changed to seconds@9 sub-dial in GMT models with the PAM 088).
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
PAM 029 has, like the PAM 023 and 063 a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer is visible (in 2001 Panerai changed and GMT hand became all silvered, and a lot more visible with the PAM 088).
This is an exclusive replica from DSN catalogue. It is fitted with Swiss movement ETA 2836.
These replicas are not as accurate as Noob or H maker replicas but are extremely well built and the movement is like gen. Bearing in mind this quality of manufacture we can consider them as First Class reps medium level.


REPLICA links:
(*)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=105465 DSN
(*)
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Luminor%20GMT%20watches/Pam%20new%20born%20029%20A%20GMT%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_37.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
Above links from paneraisource and paneristi are for the first original PAM 029 models, you can see the differences.
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PAM029-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-series Noob)
The PAM 029 has similar structure to the PAM 023, but 029 has a beautiful engraved Tuxedo dial and PAM 029 2010 version has no markers of seconds around the dial.
The current gen PAM 029 is a fantastic 2010 "re-make" Special Edition watch from Panerai. The PAM 029 was originally introduced in 1998 as a regular production A-series watch and again in 1999 as a B-series watch. In typical Panerai fashion, the PAM 029 models were made in low production numbers and then discontinued. Rather than making the watch a regular production piece in 2010, Panerai decided to make a 1000 pieces Special Edition production run for their Panerai watch collectors. The old PAM29 had small seconds markers on the dial (like the PAM 023) which has been omitted on the 2010 version. Furthermore the new PAM 029 has Luminova indices and numbers as opposed to the original version for which Tritium was used.
PAM 029 is with the PAM 023 the only Panerai watches with a Rolex Explorer style bezel (in 2000 Panerai changes to inner dial GMT markers with the PAM 063).
GMT PAM 029 has central second hand like GMT PAM 023 and 063 (in 2001 Panerai changed to seconds@9 sub-dial in GMT models with the PAM 088).
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
PAM 029 has, like the PAM 023 and 063 a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer is visible (in 2001 Panerai changed and GMT hand became all silvered, and a lot more visible with the PAM 088).
PAM 029 is the only model to sport the two dimensional "Tuxedo dial".
This replica PAM 029M from Noob factory is one of the best replicas ever made. There are Asian and Swiss movement versions. They all are Super reps.


From 2012- there is an improved V2 version from Noob with little modifications fitted with either Asian or Sellita SW240 or Swiss 2836-2.
According to the maker the improvements in V2 version are: Crystal updated to single AR like the latest PAM111N, hands have been remade, CG improved to the latest PAM111N standard with square edges. And in the dial, 9 and 6 markers have been improved, better markers lume makes them sharper and skinnier than before.

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=175013
Two very good pictorials here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam029m-gen-126242?p=1237885 by Del
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/few-outdoor-pics-126560?p=1241695 by Del
Another pictorial:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=128559by spdu4ia
A perfect candidate for a first PAM replica.


REPLICA links:
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http://pure-time.com/product/pam029-m-noob-best-edition-v2-on-brown-calf-leather-strap/ Noob V2-improved
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12448-xfpi39121-pam029-v2-noobfactory-2012-newest-best-edition-ss-lt.html Noob V2-improved
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11407-xfpa2130-pam029-m-luminor-gmt-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-eta-2836.html
(**)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2289&ti=
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+029&product_id=77 Noob V2-improved
(**)
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=933 Noob V2-improved
(**)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=8949
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_37.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
Above links from paneraisource and paneristi are for the first original PAM 029 models, you can see the differences.
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PAM036-DSN-FINALcopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN model) (see comments)
The gen PAM 036 is a Luminor Marina Militare, with Tritium indexes and a Brown dial in a Titanium case. Is similar to PAM 040 but has Brown dial and Display caseback (See more related watches in PAM 005).
It was a Limited Edition of 200 watches (read the curious story about the year below). Nowadays is the only Pam with display caseback and movement OPII. This is the 1st Luminor Marina to get the name of Marina Militare by special authorization of the Marina Militare (MM) Italiana.
The PAM 036 is one of the legend Vendome watches, with some few others like the 040, the 021, the Pre-A 1,2,4,9, and the Mare 6, 7 and 8.
When Panerai Firenze was sold to Vendome, in March 1997, the Cartier Vendome group received some stuff from Panerai Firenze, and with the stuff, some projects, like the watches which belonged to the Project Slytech as the Black Seal Slytech. So, Panerai Vendome had the idea to launch three Titanium watches, PAM 025, PAM 040 and PAM 036, which were conceived in the end of Panerai Firenze.
There are two interesting stories about PAM 036 and 040, below the PAM 036 one:
Strangely enough the PAM 036 is referenced as a Limited Edition from the Year 1998. Well, have a look on the official website, or in the Limited Editions Catalogue, or in Paneristi.com or Panerai Source.com, you always will see it presented in 1998, which is a mistake, as it gets a B production which is the evidence that the watch was launched in 1999, presented during the SIHH of the same year. You will notice that the pic on the official website is also a wrong pic, as the Pam 36 is presented with a Lumniova dial I never saw in any Pam 36, and with a wrong BB number...
Original Article:
http://quicklook.watchprosite.com/show-nblog.post/ti-409776/
Anyhow, as kindly informed by RWI member "tech" in:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1136483&postcount=90
there is the possibility of having PAM 036 and 040 with Luminova dial due, most likely, to have been inexplicably produced with this Luminor dial. Although many people are inclined to believe that this has happened by an unfortunate change (for the owner) in a maintenance service.
The Brown chocolate dial is amazing. The Case Back lets show the beautiful movement obviously inspired from the Rolex Cortebert look.
It has, like the PAM 040, this charism, this part of legitimity and History that many other Panerai Vendome watches don't have... That makes this watch a very desirable item in the original market.
Due to PAM 036 has display caseback the usual conventional reps of this watch have not close to the gen movement, because the gen PAM 036 has a very different movement OPII. See the pics of this watch and the pics above of a regular replica in the market.
This replica PAM 036 from DSN is a First Class rep with a real Swiss 6497 movement like the gen Panerai OPII and the Tritium type dial T SWISS T. DSN has also corrected enough the old issues of deep outlined surrounding the numerals and stick markers and bad engraving in caseback inscriptions.
From noveember 2012 there are replicas of this watch from DSN with the same quality but fitted with asian clone movement OPII type. This is a very good option much cheaper and with the same overall quality :
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=121553by DSN
Nice review and pictorial here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/s...d.php?t=199747 by shelby1501
These replicas are not as accurate as other Noob or H maker replicas but are extremely well built and the movement is like gen. Bearing in mind this quality of manufacture we can consider them as First Class reps medium level.


PAM 036- DSN
REPLICA links:
(*)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=121553 DSN Asian
(*)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99405 DSN
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)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam 44mm titanium luminor watches/New born pam 036 with new CG upgarded in march 201/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_88.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials98.html
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PAM036-NORMALFINALcopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP (non DSN models)
Please read in above DSN rep PAM 036 the comments about the gen watch.
This rep PAM 036 has a correct Brown Dial but wrongly marked L SWISS L instead T SWISS T. Besides it has a display caseback and its movement is not very close to gen, because the gen PAM 036 has a very different movement OPII.
Therefore, this rep is a Low grade rep and a non advisable purchase. For a Luminor Titanium the best rep choice is PAM 036 or PAM 040 from DSN or going to PAM 177 or PAM 176, PAM 061 or 056 H maker if you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial


PAM 036
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam036-titanium-lite/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/10447-pa8530-pam036-marina-militare-luminor-black-dial-ti-lt-asian-6497.html
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+036&product_id=707
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_50&produ cts_id=36
http://www.pf-818.com/pn03602-titanium-tobacco-dial-asian-unitas-6497-p-5503.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_88.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials98.html
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PAM040DSNFINALdeficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN model) (see comments)
The PAM 040 is a Luminor Marina, with Tritium indexes and a Black dial in a Titanium case. It is similar to PAM 036 but has Black dial and Solid caseback (See more related watches in PAM 005).
It was a Limited edition of 200 watches in 1999.
The PAM 040 is one of the legend Vendome watches, with some few others like the 036, the 021, the Pre-A 1,2,4,9, and the Mare 6, 7 and 8.
When Panerai Firenze was sold to Vendome, in March 1997, the Cartier Vendome group received some stuff from Panerai Firenze, and with the stuff, some projects, like the watches which belonged to the Project Slytech as the Black Seal Slytech. So, Panerai Vendome had the idea to launch three Titanium watches, PAM 025, PAM 040 and PAM 036, which were conceived in the end of Panerai Firenze.
These watches 036 and 040 have both interesting stories, below the PAM 040 one:
This Pam 40 is a mystery, and loved for that, as it's not a referenced watch...Yes, go on the official website, or make a search in all the catalogue, you'll never see the PAM 40 reference...It's presented like a Limited Edition of 200 pieces, but not packaged like a LE
Original Article:
http://quicklook.watchprosite.com/show-nblog.post/ti-409776/
Anyhow, as kindly informed by RWI member "tech" in:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1136483&postcount=90
there is the possibility of having PAM 036 and 040 with Luminova dial due, most likely, to have been inexplicably produced with this Luminor dial. Although many people are inclined to believe that this has happened by an unfortunate change (for the owner) in a maintenance service.
Like the PAM 036 it has this charism, this part of legitimity and History that many other Panerai Vendome watches don't have... That makes this watch a very desirable item in the original market.
This replica PAM 040 exclusive from DSN comes with Asian or Swiss 6497 movement and the Tritium type dial T SWISS T.
These replicas are not as accurate as other Noob or H maker replicas but are extremely well built and the movement can be almost like gen. Bearing in mind this quality of manufacture we can consider them as First Class reps medium level. Therefore, for a Luminor Titanium the best rep choices are this PAM 040 or PAM 036 from DSN or going to PAM 177 or PAM 176, PAM 061 or 056 H maker if you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial.

PAM 040

REPLICA links:
(*)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-born-040b-99585 DSN
(*)
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20titanium%20luminor%20watches/New%20Born%20040%20watches%20up%20grade%20in%20mar ch%202012/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_251.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials98.html
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PAM048-deficopiar.jpg

The PAM 048 is the same as PAM 050 but with leather strap instead of bracelet.
The PAM 119 is a watch similar to PAM 048 but with blue dial.
The PAM 049 and PAM 051 are respectively the versions White dial of above watches.
Introduced in 1999 B-series the Luminor Marina Automatic watches were housed in a smaller (40mm) case. They have date with cyclops@3 and seconds@9.
The original 1999 B-series production of these watches had all-polished cases, but for 2000 C-series onwards PAM 48, 49, 50 and 51 moved to brushed cases with polished bezels. This last look is the version of the current replicas.
This is a good-medium grade rep. and there are cheap versions with 21-23J movements. If possible it is better going to case 44mm versions


PAM 048
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam048-a7750/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13963-pa13963.html PAM 048 Low grade
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4635
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4634
http://www.pf-818.com/pn048k01-40mm-auto-ssle-asia-2813-p-11614.html PAM 048 Low grade
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_19.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto40.html
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The PAM 049 is the same as PAM 051 but with leather strap instead of bracelet. Both watches were the first Automatic White dial.
The PAM 048 and PAM 050 are respectively the versions Black dial of above watches.
Introduced in 1999 B-series the Luminor Marina Automatic watches were housed in a smaller (40mm) case. They have date with cyclops@3 and seconds@9.
The original 1999 B-series production of these watches had all-polished cases, but for 2000 C-series onwards PAM 48, 49, 50 and 51 moved to brushed cases with polished bezels. This last look is the version of the current replicas
This is a good-medium grade rep. and there are cheap versions low grade with 21-23J movements. If possible it is better going to case 44mm versions

PAM 049
REPLICA links:

http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam049-a7750/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam049-white-dial-on-yellow-leather-strap-a23j/ PAM 049 Low grade
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13957-pa13957.html PAM 049 Low grade

http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4637
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4616
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=8939 PAM 049 Low grade
http://www.pf-818.com/pn049k01-40mm-auto-ssle-asia-2813-p-11641.html PAM 049 Low grade
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_20.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto40.html
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PAM050-definitivecopiar.jpg

The PAM 050 is the same as PAM 048 but with SS bracelet instead of leather strap.
The PAM 051 and PAM 049 are respectively the versions White dial of above watches.
Introduced in 1999 B-series the Luminor Marina Automatic watches were housed in a smaller (40mm) case. They have date with cyclops@3 and seconds@9.
The original 1999 B-series production of these watches had all-polished cases, but for 2000 C-series onwards PAM 48, 49, 50 and 51 moved to brushed cases with polished bezels. This last look is the version of the current replicas
This is a good-medium grade rep. If possible it is better going to case 44mm versions


PAM 050
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam050-a7750/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4606
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_21.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto40.html
**




PAM051-deficopiar.jpg

The PAM 051 is the same as PAM 049 but with SS bracelet instead of leather strap. Both watches were the first Automatic White dial.
The PAM 050 and PAM 048 are respectively the versions Black dial of above watches.
Introduced in 1999 B-series the Luminor Marina Automatic watches were housed in a smaller (40mm) case. They have date with cyclops@3 and seconds@9.
The original 1999 B-series production of these watches had all-polished cases, but for 2000 C-series onwards PAM 48, 49, 50 and 51 moved to brushed cases with polished bezels. This last look is the version of the current replicas
This is a good-medium grade rep. If possible it is better going to case 44mm versions


PAM 051
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam051-a7750/http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4605
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_22.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto40.html
**




PAM056copiar.jpg

PAM056Hmakercopiar_zps3b2ef6f7.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN model)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (D-series H maker)

The PAM 056 is in practice a Destro version of PAM 040 CG on the Right but has Brown dial instead of black. Actually the PAM 040 has Tritium dial and much more charism and History than the PAM 056 which has Luminova dial and is a regular watch.
The gen PAM 056 was changed 2002 for the PAM 117 introducing a Display caseback instead of solid and changing also the movement from OP II to the OP XI, because in E-series 2002 Paneari changed to this last movement.
There is a rep from DSN and it is a First Class replica medium level.
Good pictorial review here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam056c-showing-some-113248?p=1108546 by panerai4life

December 2012- H factory introduced a replica of PAM 056 (together with the PAM 061 CG at the right version). They feature 6497 movement with decoration and bridges like the gen OPII although the solid caseback. These replicas are very good and could be considered as Super replicas, but they have an inaccurate Crown Guard, because the gen is and old type CG almost flat and the rep CG is like a curved modern type.


PAM056DSNCOMPARISONCGWITHGEN.jpg

This pic is of a PAM 061 but it is the same for PAM 056

Due to this flaw we must consider this replica as a First Class high level. After the PAM 176 and 177 these are (with the PAM 061 H maker) the best option of Titanium PAM replicas, followed by PAM 056, PAM 036 and 040 from DSN.
Pictorial and comments here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=123592 by MMS
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=124525 started by scott335d
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=122119 by PANERA many pics gen-rep from mvyzfr1

PAM 056

REPLICA links:
(*)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13233-pa056r-pam056-c-tobacco-brown-dial-ti-ru-asian-6497.html D-series H maker
(*)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13232-pa056p-pam056-c-tobacco-brown-dial-ti-lt-asian-6497.html D-series H maker
(*)
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+056&product_id=709 D-series H maker
(*)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=10110 D-series H maker
(*)
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn056c02-056c-tobacco-brown-p-12949.html D-series H maker
(*)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-061-and-124520?t=124520 D-series H maker
(*)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=102205 DSN
(*)
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20titanium%20luminor%20watches/New%20Born%20056C/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_159.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/destro.html
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PAM057-finalcopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN model) (see comments)
The gen PAM 057 was the last PAM Power Reserve (after PAM 027-028) with this type of dial having Power Reserve indicator @6, date with cyclops @3 , big central seconds hand and solid caseback.
There are three Power Reserve watches with this structure: PAM 027 full polished SS version with Black Flat surface dial, PAM 028 PVD coated and Black Hobnail textured dial and the PAM 057 Titanium and Brown Hobnail textured dial.
These watches (gen and rep) have a Soprod modified ETA base movement to get the Power Reserve function.
Despite the fact that the PAM 57 theoretically only lasted for the year 2000 (replacing the PVD model, but then being phased out in favour of the changed movement and dial arrangement) there are a few 2001 D-series PAM 057s floating about, 55 pieces to be precise. How this came about? perhaps a production overrun from the previous year? Still, however this anomaly occurred, it
makes for a scarce piece.

This replica PAM 057 is an exclusive production from DSN. Although some differences it is close enough to the gen with a beautiful Brown Hobnail texture dial, it is very difficult to catch the dial of this watch in a picture, in fact you cannot see the Hobnail texture in the pics from DSN, but it is awesome.
But thanks the kindness of Machiavegli we can enjoy here of these fantastic and expressive macro pics of this Hobnail dial. You can see also the recessed power reserve indicator. Many thanks Mach !!

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PICS of HOBNAIL DIAL of Machiavegli’s PAM 057 from DSN
The rep from DSN is fitted with a Swiss 2892 movement with a Soprod Power Reserve module like the gen but with no decorated rotor.
Mini-review and pics here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/re-mini-review-110453?p=1081836 by Machiavegli
Unfortunately, due to above mentioned features, this is an expensive rep, but it is worth the purchase.
This replica is not as accurate as other Noob or Hmaker reps, but it is extremely nice and well built, and the movement is fantastic (although very expensive).
You can see a magnificent review of this watch from Grimlocktime here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=198462 by Grimlocktime
We can see through this review some flaws to be considered:
-The space between dial markers and the rehaut are clearly wider than gen
-The dot with lume of second hand is placed a bit far form the tip in comparison with the gen
-CG shape and lever tip are a bit wrong
-Lug shape is a bit inaccurate with a bit of a hump on the top edge of the lug. The gen has a smooth slope.
-Some fonts inaccuracies on caseback
Therefore, we could consider this rep due to its general quality and beauty as a First Class rep medium level.
Goin has modified a DSN replica of this PAM 057 with a correct CG and making a good job in the lume. The result is likely the best possible replica of this watch. See explanations and fantastic pictorial review here :

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-modified-dsn-114217?p=1119547 by Goin
Although its price this PAM 057 from DSN is a very good candidate for a first PAM replica.

PAM 057

REPLICA links:
(**)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99719 DSN
(**)
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20mov t/New%20pam%20057C/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_204.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html
**




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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (D-series H maker)
The PAM 061 is in practice like a PAM 040. Actually the PAM 040 has Tritium dial and much more charism and History than the PAM 061 which has Luminova dial and is a regular watch. There is a Destro version The Pam 056 (See more related watches in PAM 005).
The gen PAM 061 is a Luminor Marina and was produced in 2000 and 2001 and changed in 2002 for the PAM 118 introducing a Display caseback instead of solid and changing also the movement from the OPII to the OP XI, because in E-series 2002 Paneari changed to this last movement.


December 2012 - H factory introduced a replica of PAM 061 (together with the Destro version PAM 056). They feature 6497 movement with decoration and bridges like the gen OPII although the solid caseback. These replicas are very good and could be considered as Super replicas, but they have an inaccurate Crown Guard, because the gen is and old type CG almost flat and the rep CG is like a curved modern type.


PAM056DSNCOMPARISONCGWITHGEN.jpg


Due to this flaw we must consider this replica as a First Class high level. After the PAM 176 and 177 these are (with the PAM 056 H maker) the best option of Titanium PAM replicas, followed by PAM 036 and 040 from DSN.
Pictorial and comments here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=123592 by MMS
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=124525 started by scott335d
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=122119 by PANERA many pics gen-rep from mvyzfr1

PAM 061
REPLICA links:

(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13235-pa061r-pam061-d-tobacco-brown-dial-ti-ru-asian-6497.html D-series H maker
(*)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13234-pa061p-pam061-d-tobacco-brown-dial-ti-lt-asian-6497.html D-series H maker
(*)
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+061&product_id=710 D-series H maker
(*)
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2511&ti= D-series H maker
(*)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=10109 D-series H maker
(*)
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn061d02-061d-tobacco-brown-p-12948.html D-series H maker
(*)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-061-and-124520?t=124520 D-series H maker
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_253.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
**




PAM063-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (C-series DSN model)
The PAM 063 is the first PAM GMT with GMT markers placed in the dial, until the launching of PAM 063 in 2000 the GMT PAM 023 and 029 had the GMT markers in the bezel (type Rolex Explorer)
GMT PAM 063 has central second hand like GMT PAM 023 and 029 (in 2001 Panerai changed to seconds@9 sub-dial in GMT models with the PAM 088).
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
PAM 063 has, like the PAM 023 and 029 a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer is visible (in 2001 Panerai changed them, and GMT hand became all silvered, and a lot more visible with the PAM 088).
Replicas of PAM 063 are fitted with Swiss ETA 2836 automatic movements. Only the rep PAM 063 from DSN has a correct caseback engraving C-series, the other ones have “fantasy” engraving (see below links). Therefore, we can consider the rep C-series from DSN as a First Class rep low level and others as good reps.
Nice pictorial here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=89181&hl=&fromsearch=1 by Gazzla

PAM 063
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&produ cts_id=113
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99945 DSN
(*)
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Luminor%20GMT%20watches/New%20Born%20Pam%20063C%20GMT%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_38.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/panerai-pam-63-c-luminor-gmt-44mm-black-dial--id1866193.htm?dosearch=true&goal_didYouMean=1&quer y=pam+63&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
**




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EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Low level (H maker C-series w/A7750)


The gen PAM 064 was the first Panerai Submersible 1000m. originally released for the C-series (2000) as a Unique Special Edition of 500 pcs. Leaving aside the big Egiziano, the PAM 064 was the biggest and nastiest Panerai so far, with 5mm thick sapphire crystal and a Helium release value, black dial with silver seconds sub-dial @9 and date window @3, this watch is known (with good reason) as "La Bomba" (The Bomb) in Italy.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_93.html
Much to the consternation of collectors, who thought they were buying a unique edition, promptly appeared the PAM 087 D-series (2001) with a flat blue dial, an engraving 1000m on the crown-lock, thinner bezel stick markers and few other changes.
PAM 064 is a Submersible, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano, with Luminor type 44mm case, skeleton hands, date under a cyclops @3, unidirectional bezel and Tritium ochre- yellowish lume. It has a small seconds subdial @9 in silver colour in contrast with the black dial which gives the watch a strong personality.
It differs from the regular old Submersible in that it has thicker (5mm) crystal, a Helium release valve, and a heavier case. The crystal is also slightly smaller than the regular old Subs, because the bezel is wider. The movement is the regular automatic OPIII for the gen and the A7750 for the rep.



- PAM 064 C-series H maker w/A7750
March 2016- H maker released a rep of PAM 064 C-series fitted with a movement A7750 with OPIII engraved rotor.
This rep is based on the rep PAM 087 from the same maker. Due to that, since the gens casesets are almost the same, this rep has the same qualities and flaws as the rep of PAM 087
Many of the features and flaws of this rep can be seen in the reviews of H maker PAM 087:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/302071-*PCTeam*-PAM-087-%96-Overview-and-Evaluation-of-all-reps-%96-April-2016
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=116198
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?267463-PAM-087-%96-Overview-and-Evaluation-of-all-reps-%96-April-2016
CASE:
Case shape is overall accurate, without obvious differences of dimensions and profiles, just the lugs are a bit different as you can see in below comparison pics. Gen lugs are thinner and their flat base is smaller than rep base. Gen lugs look lighter tan rep. Lug holes position is accurate enough. See above commented reviews of PAM 087 to see the differences
Gen finish is very good but it has not the uniformity of new PAM watches and it looks more “hand made” and more inconsistent between batches than reps. Rep finish looks more uniform and “machined”. Maybe gen is better in the space between lugs and lug contours (mainly in the zone between the upper part of the lugs and the cushion shape edge). Brushing is accurate with some gens because there are a lot of variations between gens. Gen is overall more rounded and all edges of the case are nicely rounded getting a soft appearance. Rep case, although is very nicely made looks beautiful but sharper and crisp, somehow a bit inaccurate. You can see these differences of sharpness in the comparison pics of the PAM 087 reviews above commented
Anyway, very good job from H maker regarding the case.
BEZEL:
Like happened in rel PAM 087 , rep bezel shape is overall accurate with nice and accurate knurling but rougher brushing than gen. Gen bezel usually has more fine and uniform brushing than rep, but the rep is good enough. Rep bezel knurling is not as clean as gen but is accurate in practice at real size and looks nice.
The outer upper edge of the rep bezel is not as rounded as gen and the transition edge between the vertical surface of the bezel and the rounded edge is smoother in gen, rep usually shows a little corner between the rounded edge and the vertical surface.
Bezel dots and markers are overall accurate, although rep numerals looks smaller than gen ones, Besidfes, sometimes rep numeral bezel markers are placed a bit off center.
The difference between Pam 087 and 064 bezel are the black stick markers from 12 to 3 hrs. Gen Pam 064 has clearly thicker markers. The rep from H maker has also thicker markers but they are different from gen.
Short stick marker under the pearl is longer and thinner than gen one. Short stick markers under dots are shorter and thinner tha gen ones. These markers are not as nicely defined as gen but they are good enough in this regard at real size. You can see aboce commented on below comparison pics.

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PAM 064 BEZEL STICK MARKERS FROM 12 TO 3 hrs. AND PEARL - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

Rep pearl has accurate enough rim and shape. See above comparison pic. Regarding the pearl colour, it is not possible to talk about differences and accuracy because not only the gen PAM 087 has different colours of pearls depending on the material used by Panerai, but it depends a lot on the angle of view, the lighting and the aging of the lume material.
Anyway the rep pearl is a bit darker in general and for my taste should be lighter. A little flaw in my opinion.
CROWN & CROWN-GUARD
We can write here the same observations written about the rep of PAM 087. And you will get mnore info and pics in above commented reviews of PAM 087.
Crown and crown tube are accurate although they are less polished than gen as usually
Gen Crown Guard has more rounded edges in general than rep, it is like in the case, even the gen CG lever has more rounded edges.
Obviously old gen PAMs didn’t have the impressive finish quality of new ones. That affects also the inner corners of the CG. The finish of H maker rep is even better, but that makes the rep CG somehow inaccurate.
I have seen many gen pics from different sources and what I see is that the inner CG corners of the gen are not either squared or rounded, they are originally “chamfered”. In the same way as PAM 087, PAM 056 and PAM 061. H maker has already proved the capacity to get this “chamfered” inner corners, because H maker has already got this feature in the reps of PAM 056 and 061.
Due to the little inconsistency of gen finish in those old models we can find gens from perfectly “chamfered” inner corners to slightly rounded corners. The reason is well explained for PolonusTM is his nice review:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=262619 by PolonusTM
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/278073-H-factory-PAM-087F-photos-and-comments by PolonusTM
Consult PAM 087 reviews to see the differences in comparison pics
Like in PAM 087, another issue that I have found reviewing the H maker PAM 064 is the misalignment between the inner sides of the CG hollow. You can see this misalignment in below pic, observing the differences between the orange correctly aligned lines and the blue misaligned lines. The misalignment is produced either at the top or at the bottom. Most likely these misalignments are produced because the CG doesn’t fit correctly the mid-case being a little open. When you tighten the CG with the screws, the CG takes the shape of the mid-case reducing the angle of the inner corners and producing those misalignments of the inner sides.
CG lever shape is very accurate either in the part tightening the crown or the tip, but the gen edges are much more rounded.
CG pin is nicely finished and almost flat. Gen CG pin is not consistent and varies from completely flat to a bit rounded edges.
Therefore H maker CG, which has squared corners and edges, is very nicely finished, as above commented, even better than gen, but somehow it is inaccurate. Rep CG has accurate lever and correct CG pin but with sharper edges. There is no reason to downgrade this nice rep due to the little inaccuracies of the nice CG which indeed is even better than gen.
CASEBACK:
Rep caseback is also less soft than gen, all the edges are sharper, and even the transition edge between the conical shape and the flat central circle is much sharper than gen, which presents more rounded transition. The central flat circle is a bit smaller in gen.
Rep is even better engraved than gen with more defined and sharp contours. Engraving depth is more or less the same. Layout of inscriptions is accurate enough. Fonts are not exactly the same and the differences are more evident on FIRENZE 1860 engravings. As you can see in below pic at real size and without a close and enlarged inspection the rep caseback looks nice


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PAM 064 CASEBACK - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

DIAL LAYOUT:
H maker dial layout is really good with accurate placements and sizes. Only little differences of inscriptions placement but not noticeable.
DIAL INSCRIPTIONS:
Like on PAM 087, dial white inscriptions: stick minute markers, LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE, 1000m, PANERAI Automatic are accurate in colour and thickness. The main flaws are in “R” font, as usual in H maker, which has different font and straight end of the “R” tail whereas gen “R” tail is pointy. There are also some differences in T SWISS MADE T and in Automatic but they are few noticeable. It is a pity the inaccurate “R”, because the inscriptions, aside this matter, are really good. See comparison pics on PAM 087 review show the differences.
DIAL NUMERAL MARKERS:
H maker seemingly are using PAM 087 dial as base for the rep dial of PAM 064. This is a big mistake for below commented reasons.
“12” and “6” markers are different. Mainly “12” marker is completely different, as we can see in below comparison pic, where the rep and gen “12” markers are showed. In the middle part of the figure I have overlapped the gen 12 contour over the rep marker.


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PAM 064 “12” MARKER DIFFERENCES - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

The shorter straight lower stroke and a completely different upper part of the “2” in “12” marker are really evident. In my opinion this is a serious flaw in in the more visible zone of the watch.
Like on PAM 087, the gen lume application has usually a smooth surface sausage lume of the numerals, with yellowish ochre colour, circled with a much lighter contour whereas rep has the same contour no lighter but with the same colour as the sausage lume. Some times rep has rougher lume material of sausage application than gen, but this is few noticeable in real size and , besides, gen shows sometimes a rough surface.
DIAL RECTANGULAR STICK MARKERS:
Rep rectangular STICK markers are very nicely made, even with better finish and appearance than gen, but due to that have some inaccuracies.
In effect, rep dial stick markers have a perfect rim contour and are glossier. They are made with a part detached from the dial surface and black coated. Again these contours seem extracted from the PAM 087 dial. Gen stick markers contours seem embossed from the dial surface and their edges are soft and rounded. Rep contours look much crisper and defined. Rep contours are nicer but unfortunately inaccurate. Sticks lume application is clearly convex in gen with a marked dome, but rep sticks lume is flatter and without relief. See the differences in below comparison pics.


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PAM 064 DIAL STICK MARKERS DIFFERENCES - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

LUME COLOURS AND APPLICATION:
This matter is the same as on PAM 087. There is no reason to strictly judge lume in a rep of a Tritium lume gen watch, because Tritium lume will have lost the power in an old gen watch and the colour uncharged will really have undergone very variable changes from yellowish ivory to orange or brownish depending on original lume material, environment conditions and how old is the watch.
Rep lume power is good enough to satisfy owners. Rep stick markers colour is a tad more orange than numerals which are more yellow or ochre. Rep hands lume is more or less like the numerals.
In the gen overall lume colour is less marked or lighter than rep. Gen stick markers lume is also more orange than numerals but the hands are usually lighter. But we have to bear in mind that, as above commented, the aging colour of a Tritium lume has not fixed rules and we could get any combination of colours in an old gen.
Gen hands lume is usually lighter than numeral markers, this maybe is produced because, at least in last series, PANERAI is using Luminova instead of Tritium lume for the hands, in order to avoid a premature and ugly corrosion. In this way a lighter colour of rep hands lume would be interesting to get more accuracy.
We can say that rep lume colours are accurate, matching a very aged Tritium dial, just in the limit of darkness and aging. Maybe hands should be a bit lighter, for above commented reasons, and in this way some modders are working with this reps.
DATE WINDOW AND DATE WHEEL:
Date window and date fonts are accurate. No worries about this matter at real size.
SECONDS SUBDIAL @9:
Appearance, colour and concentric circles are achúrate, but the sitck markers are thinner in gen and the dot markers are clearly smaller than gen. This is another serious flaw of this rep. See below comparison pic.


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PAM 064 SECONDS SUBDIAL @9 - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

CRYSTAL:
Gen has a very thick 5mm crystal. Rep crystal looks also as thick as gen and the Cyclops is accurate in size, and the samples and pics that I have seen have few “frozen halo” like gen. Magnification is also like gen. AR seems OK. Overall accurate and nice crystal.
HANDS and CANNON PINION
Hands are accurate with a bit dark lume, as above commented. The circle of fixation of the hands to the CP looks flatter and better than in PAM 087 which looks a bit concave.
CP is very good: accurate, flat and polished, with a bit rounded edges and flush. It looks really good in real thing and at real size, even under the loupe.
Both hands and CP, aside the lume colour, are at real size really good and accurate. No worries in this regard.
MOVEMENT:
Rep movement is an A7750 without chrono functions and decorated rotor with blue engravings.
Gen is a OPIII based in the same Valjoux 7750, without chrono functions and with rotor and bridges decorated with PANERAI PANERAI engravings and golden inscriptions
The rep movement is reliable, and more without the chrono functions, but the decoration is inaccurate and we can see the evident differences in below pic. Since the caseback is solid this inaccuracy is not very important and the rep movement A7750 is reliable enough.


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PAM 064 MOVEMENT - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

CONCLUSIONS AND EVALUATION:
H maker had really done a good job with the PAM 087 F-series, but maybe due to use some parts of this watch to make the PAM 064, the final result is a rep of PAM 064 overall less accurate than PAM 087.
There are the same obvious inaccuracies already found on PAM 087: overall sharper edges, finish of the bezel brushing, “R” of dial inscriptions, darker contours of numeral markers …
But we have to add very inaccurate surrounds of dial rectangular stick lumed markers, wrong “12” numeral markers, wrong stick markers and dots on subdial @9, inaccurate black stick markers on bezel, inaccurate pearl colour…
Bear in mind that it is very difficult to copy an old gen watch, with a lot of parts hand finished and with aged Tritium type lume. The rep is made by machining and hand finish is used only in the necessary points, that gives to the rep a “perfectly” machined and sharp appearance different from the smoother and hand made look of some gen parts.
Anyway the rep looks impressive and has a very strong gen-like appearance. But flaws on dial and the black markers on bezel are very evident flaws to be forgotten. Therefore we have to downgrade the evaluation.
We can consider PAM 064 H maker a very nice rep of First Class low level due to some obvious inaccuracies on dial.
Additional info here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=264723 by Cpairways
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=264723&p=2759924&viewfull=1#post2 759924 by ryllz
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/288423-New-PAM064-Submersible-1000m-quot-La-Bomba-quot-is-coming) by gvln
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/296197-PAM-064c-H-factory by Therion666
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=266391 by Maximax
Comments from threads of ALE reviews
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/317780-*PCTeam*-PAM-064-%96-Review-and-Evaluation-of-H-maker-rep-from-March-2016
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=67386&pid=1844847&st=140&#entr y1844847
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?270468-PAM-064-%96-Review-and-Evaluation-of-H-maker-rep-from-March-2016


PAM 064
REPLICA links:
- PAM 064 C-series H maker w/A7750

(*)http://puretime01.com/pam064-c-1000m-luminor-submersible-hf-on-brown-leather-strap-a7750.html
(*)http://www.tswatch.club/18545-featured18545_c52a5ab60d6a88aee3c3191e1edbc36e.htm l
(*)http://www.torobravos.xyz/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1992
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2692-pam064c-h-maker-1-1-best-edition-on-asso-leather-strap.html
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=14346
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/-p-18865.html
(*)https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/296102-pam-064-c-LA-BOMBA

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_93.html
http://www.network54.com/Forum/265099/thread/1228702020/index.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J37dyezYxG4
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&th=1188674&rid=0
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-pam-064-a-696403.html
http://www.jeweltrader.nl/horloges/panerai-luminor-submersible-pam-064/
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=250709
http://www.9maiali.com/m/product-panerai-pam-064-luminor-submersible-1000m-44mm-se-500-pc/
https://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-64-c-1000m-luminor-submersible-original-tunacan-la-bamba-special-edition-only
6-6




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The gen PAM 076 is a 2002 Limited Edition of 300 watches made of Titanium, but has a "hunter" type case with a lid that pivots at 12. The lid is engraved with a scene of two divers aboard a SLC torpedo submarine.
The gen PAM 076 Black Seal ships with a further blank lid, on which the owner can have engraved a design of their choice.
The replicas are made of SS and are Medium grade reps


PAM 076
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11637-xfpa3240-pam076-luminor-black-seal-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=109&product s_id=977
http://www.pf-818.com/pn07601-black-seal-limited-44mm-auto-free-shipping-p-3548.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_110.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials02.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2002/146-luminor-blackseal-pam00076
**




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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (DSN model)
The Amerigo Vespucci is the sail training vessel for the Italian Navy. All officer candidates have to go through a basic nautical training on this ship.
This PAM 082 is similar to the original Marina Militare PAM 036 but has a different Blue dial, and a special solid caseback engraving. This is the second Luminor Marina to get the name of Marina Militare by special authorization of the Marina Militare (MM) Italiana. It was made a 300 pieces Limited Edition of this watch in 2009.
This PAM 082 from the DSN catalogue is a good replica (the best of this watch). In comparison with some gen pics this rep has very evident and deep contours in the markers of the dial which are different to the gen ones. But you can find some gen pics, like pics from paneristi.com (see below gen link), where there are shown deeper contours in the gen watch similar to this rep. It is no easy knowing the true because is very difficult to find a gen for side by side comparison (only 300 units made). Therefore if we take the gen pics from paneristi.com we could consider the replica PAM 082 from DSN a First Class rep low level (always bearing in mind that matter).

PAM 082 - DSN

REPLICA links:
(*)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99490 DSN
(*)
http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/dsnwatches/library/Pam%2044mm%20titanium%20luminor%20watches/New%20born%20pam%20082?sort=3&page=1 DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_96.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/vendomeframeset.html
**




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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP (non DSN models)
The Amerigo Vespucci is the sail training vessel for the Italian Navy. All officer candidates have to go through a basic nautical training on this ship.
This PAM 082 is similar to the original Marina Militare PAM 036 but has a different Blue dial, and a special solid caseback engraving. This is the second Luminor Marina to get the name of Marina Militare by special authorization of the Marina Militare (MM) Italiana. It was made a 300 pieces Limited Edition of this watch in 2009.
See the comments about gen PAM 082 in above replica from DSN catalogue
These replicas PAM 082 have a very different seconds@9 sub-dial and they are Low grade replicas in general. If you are looking for a Titanium PAM with Blue dial you should go to the PAM 082 from DSN above mentioned.


PAM 082
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_50&produ cts_id=4782
http://www.pf-818.com/000000pn08201-amerigo-vespucci-titanium-blue-asia-p-6879.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_96.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/vendomeframeset.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&i d_prodotto=883&id_categoria=45
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2000/151-luminor-marina-militare-pam00082
**




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The PAM 086 and 091 released in 2001 were the first PAM Luminor Marina Automatic of 44mm. Both models have a complex, but beautiful, Anthracite dial with contrasted different colour seconds@9 sub-dials, minute dial markers and date window with cyclops @3. These watches have a lot of personality and character. Their complex dial contrasts with the simple dial of the next Panerai automatic PAM 104 released in 2002.
There are regular replicas fitted with cheap Asian 21J movement and there is a better rep from DSN catalogue fitted with A7750 automatic movement and with better date font.
They all have some evident dial flaws. Therefore we can consider the regular reps as Low grade cheap reps and DSN rep as quite good rep.
You can see a nice Franken with gen dial mad by Grimlocktime:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=200328&p=2019284#post-2019284 by Grimlocktime

PAM 086
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&produ cts_id=86
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99395 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Automatic%20Luminor%20Marina% 20%20watches/New%20Born%20086D/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_171.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
**




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EVALUATIONS
LOW GRADE REP (C-series previous to 2105 w/A-7750 )

(**) SUPER REP Bordering lower status (H maker F-series w/A-7750 )

The first Panerai Submersible 1000m was the PAM 064, originally released for the C-series (2000) as a Unique Special Edition of 500 pcs. Leaving aside the big Egiziano, the PAM 064 was the biggest and nastiest Panerai so far, with 5mm thick sapphire crystal and a Helium release value, black dial with silver seconds sub-dial @9 and date window @3, this watch is known (with good reason) as "La Bomba" (The Bomb) in Italy.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_93.html
Much to the consternation of collectors, who thought they were buying a unique edition, promptly appeared the PAM 087 D-series (2001) with a flat blue dial, an engraving 1000m on the crown-lock, and few other changes.
The 1000m is a Submersible, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano, with Luminor type 44mm case, skeleton hands, small seconds @9, date under a cyclops @3, unidirectional bezel and Tritium ivory- yellowish lume. It differs from the regular old Submersible in that it has thicker (5mm) crystal, a Helium release valve, and a heavier case. The crystal is also slightly smaller than the regular old Subs, because the bezel is wider. The movement is the regular automatic OPIII for the gen and the A7750 for the rep. From the 2003 F-series onwards (last series was 2005 H-series) the dial of the PAM 87 got a darker blue, and stick markers, which had a blue contour embossed from the dial surface, got a chromed contour and a bigger length going until the contour of the dial, Helium valve lost the He engraving and even in last series is brushed instead of polished, however the reference was not changed.
The gen PAM 243 1000m replaced the now discontinued PAM 087 1000m Submersible. The PAM 087 was affectionately referred to as Blue “La Bomba” or “the tuna can” because of its sheer weight and thickness. The PAM 243 1950 case feels like it has a more distributed an even-weighted feel as compared to the PAM 087.
More gen different versions info and reviews:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1144944500/Pam%2B087%2B-%2Bdifferent%2Bversions
Gen pics from shoes
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yibbxfpxh...cdsZ6XY1a?dl=0
See this interesting build by Grimlocktime of a Fantasy Franken Blue “La Bomba” made from a gen PAM 087 dial and a rep case PAM 243 Noob:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=190686&p=1920935#post-1920935 by Grimlocktime


-PAM 087 C-series A-7750 Low grade rep
Before 2015 there was a rep C-series of PAM 087. That rep was fitted with A7750 and was a Low grade rep without interest: inaccurate dial, case, crystal, Date wheel, wrong caseback from PAM 064….This Low grade rep is no longer available.
More info here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?128782-Pam-087-modded&highlight=pam+087 by jmattuch
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?130973-087-tritium-lovin&highlight=pam+087 by COLDI
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?162884-Pam087-Blue-Bomb&highlight=pam+087 by JohnDorian


-PAM 087 H maker F-series w/ A-7750
November 2015- H maker released a rep PAM 087 F-series fitted with A7750 with decorated rotor. This was a very awaited rep because there was a lot of demand of this nice blue-dialed SUB watch with Tritium lume.
This rep is a very good release from H maker which has made a very good job, regarding finish and gen-like appearance and even in many aspects of accuracy, although some lacks as we will see below


CASE:
Case shape is overall accurate, without obvious differences of dimensions and profiles, just the lugs are a bit different as you can see in below comparison pics. Gen lugs are thinner and their flat base is smaller than rep base. Gen lugs look lighter tan rep. Lug holes position is accurate enough.


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PAM 087 LUG AND CASE SHAPE - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

Gen finish is very good but it has not the uniformity of new PAM watches and it looks more “hand made” and more inconsistent between batches than reps. Rep finish looks more uniform and “machined”. Maybe gen is better in the space between lugs and lug contours (mainly in the zone between the upper part of the lugs and the cushion shape edge). Brushing is accurate with some gens because there are a lot of variations between gens. Gen is overall more rounded and all edges of the case are nicely rounded getting a soft appearance. Rep case, although is very nicely made looks beautiful but sharper and crisp, somehow a bit inaccurate. You can see these differences of sharpness in below comparison pic.
Anyway, very good job from H maker regarding the case.


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PAM 087 ROUNDED EDGES OF THE CASE - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

Brobert from RG has made some interesting modds in this regard, getting nice results as you can see in below post:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.ph...=1#post2779956 by Brobert
BEZEL:
Rep bezel shape is overall accurate with nice and accurate knurling but rougher brushing than gen. Gen bezel usually has more fine and uniform brushing than rep, but the rep is good enough. Rep bezel knurling is not as clean as gen but is accurate in practice at real size and looks nice.
Brobert from RG has made some interesting modds in this regard, getting nice results as you can see in below post:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?267108-087-mods&p=2779956&viewfull=1#post2779956 by Brobert
The outer upper edge of the rep bezel is not as rounded as gen and the transition edge between the vertical surface of the bezel and the rounded edge is smoother in gen, rep usually shows a little corner between the rounded edge and the vertical surface.
Bezel dots and markers are overall accurate and without noticeable differences. Sometimes rep numeral bezel markers are placed a bit off center.
Black stick markers on bezel from 12 to 3 hrs. are nice and overall accurate. Being a bit picky the thick stick marker @12 is shorter in rep, rep markers are less crisp and a tad thinner than gen. Anyway, at real size markers are nicely made, accurate and have gen-like appearance.
Rep pearl has accurate rim and shape for a F-series. Regarding the pearl colour, it is not possible to talk about differences and accuracy because not only the gen PAM 087 has different colours of pearls depending on the material used by Panerai, but it depends a lot on the angle of view and the lighting. In this regard read below post from Grimlocktime:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/274886-087-is-finally-out-****-QC-pics-allowed-****?p=2542305&viewfull=1#post-2542305by Grimlocktime
More comments about the pearl from projectologist here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?248805-I-got-a-feeling-Coming-up-Pam-087&p=2741298&viewfull=1#post2741298 by projectologist
Therefore we can consider that rep pearl is accurate in practice.
CROWN & CROWN-GUARD
Crown and crown tube are accurate although they are less polished than gen as usually
Gen Crown Guard has more rounded edges in general than rep, it is like in the case, even the gen CG lever has more rounded edges. See below pic


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PAM 087 VIEW FROM 3 hrs. AND CROWN GUARD - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

Obviously old gen PAMs didn’t have the impressive finish quality of new ones. That affects also the inner corners of the CG. The finish of H maker rep is even better, but that makes the rep CG somehow inaccurate.
I have seen many gen pics from different sources and what I see is that the inner CG corners of the gen are not either squared or rounded, they are originally “chamfered”. In the same way as PAM 064, PAM 056 and PAM 061. H maker has already proved the capacity to get this “chamfered” inner corners, because H maker has already got this feature in the reps of PAM 056 and 061.


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GEN PAM 087 CHAMFERED INNER CORNERS OF CG

Due to the little inconsistency of gen finish in those old models we can find gens from perfectly “chamfered” inner corners to slightly rounded corners. The reason is well explained for PolonusTM is his nice review:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=262619 by PolonusTM
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/278073-H-factory-PAM-087F-photos-and-comments by PolonusTM
Below some gen pics to shown these differences. On many of them you can see perfectly the “chamfered” above commented.


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GEN PAM 087 DIFFERENT INNER CORNERS OF CG

More comments about the CG from projectologist here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=248805&p=2741202&viewfull=1#post2 741202 by projectologist
Another issue that I have found reviewing the H maker PAM 087 is a misalignment between the inner sides of the CG hollow. You can see this misalignment in below pic, observing the differences between the orange correctly aligned lines and the blue misaligned lines. The misalignment is produced either at the top or at the bottom. Most likely these misalignments are produced because the CG doesn’t fit correctly the mid-case being a little open. When you tighten the CG with the screws, the CG takes the shape of the mid-case reducing the angle of the inner corners and producing those misalignments of the inner sides. Curiously gen also shows sometimes the same misalignment (see above pics of gen CG)


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H MAKER REP PAM 087 MISALIGNMENT BETWEEN INNER SIDES OF CROWN GUARD HOLLOW

CG lever shape is very accurate either in the part tightening the crown or the tip, but the gen edges are much more rounded. 1000m engraving has accurate fonts but, like on caseback engravings, is shallower than gen. See view from 3hrs. comparison pic above in this Section.
CG pin is nicely finished but is flatter than gen without the little rounded edges that gen has.
Therefore H maker CG, which has squared corners and edges, is very nicely finished, as above commented, even better than gen, but somehow it is inaccurate. Rep CG has accurate lever and correct CG pin but with sharper edges. There is no reason to downgrade this nice rep due to the little inaccuracies of the nice CG which indeed is even better than gen.
CASEBACK:
Rep caseback is also less soft than gen, all the edges are sharper, and even the transition edge between the conical shape and the flat central circle is much sharper than gen, which presents more rounded transition. The central flat circle is smaller in gen, maybe due to the rounded transition that reduces the size. Leaving aside the OP 6541 the BB serial number and the production number, which have some little differences, all engravings have accurate fonts and layout in comparison with gen F-series onwards. The main difference is that gen engravings are way deeper and this is noticeable. We can see above commented in below comparison pic


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PAM 087 CASEBACK - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

DIAL LAYOUT:
H maker dial layout is really good with accurate placements and sizes. Only the PANERAI Automatic inscription is placed a bit lower in the rep.
DIAL INSCRIPTIONS:
Dial white inscriptions: stick minute markers, LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE, 1000m, PANERAI Automatic are accurate in colour and thickness. The main flaws are in “R” font, as usual in H maker, which has different font and straight end of the “R” tail whereas gen “R” tail is pointy. Below pic shows the differences. There are also some differences in T SWISS MADE T and in Automatic but they are few noticeable. It is a pity the inaccurate “R”, because the inscriptions, aside this matter, are really good. Below pic illustrates above commented differences. DIAL NUMERAL MARKERS:
Fonts are accurate in “12” and “6”, just “6” is a bit thicker in rep (see the size of the “6” inner circle in below comparison pic.).
Regarding lume application gen has a smooth surface sausage lume shape of the numerals, with yellowish ochre colour, circled with a much lighter contour whereas rep has the same contour no lighter but with the same colour as the sausage lume. Some times rep has rougher lume material of sausage aplication than gen, but this is few noticeable in real size.
DIAL RECTANGULAR STICK MARKERS:
Rep rectangular STICK markers are very nicely made, even with better finish and appearance than gen, but due to that have some inaccuracies. In effect, dial stick markers rim contour are thinner and much crisper and defined in rep. Gen contours are thicker and much more rounded, they look embossed whereas rep contours look machined. Rep are nicer but unfortunately inaccurate. Sticks lume application is clearly convex in gen with a marked dome, but rep sticks lume is completely flat and without relief. See the differences in below comparison pic.


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PAM 087 DIAL DIFFERENCES - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

LUME COLOURS AND APPLICATION:
There is no reason to strictly judge lume in a rep of a Tritium lume gen watch, because Tritium lume will have lost the power in an old gen watch and the colour uncharged will really have undergone very variable changes from yellowish ivory to orange or brownish depending on original lume material, environment conditions and how old is the watch.
Rep lume power is good enough to satisfy owners. Rep stick markers colour is a tad more orange than numerals which are more yellow or ochre. Rep hands lume is more or less like the numerals.
In the gen overall lume colour is less marked or lighter than rep. Gen stick markers lume is also more orange than numerals but the hands are usually lighter. But we have to bear in mind that, as above commented, the aging colour of a Tritium lume has not fixed rules and we could get any combination of colours in an old gen.
Gen hands lume is usually lighter than numeral markers, this maybe is produced because, at least in last series, PANERAI is using Luminova instead of Tritium lume for the hands, in order to avoid a premature and ugly corrosion. In this way a lighter colour of rep hands lume would be interesting to get more accuracy.
We can say that rep lume colours are accurate, matching a very aged Tritium dial, just in the limit of darkness and aging. Maybe hands should be a bit lighter, for above commented reasons, and in this way some modders are working with this reps.
Interesting comments about the colours here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/274886-087-is-finally-out-****-QC-pics-allowed-****?p=2542305&viewfull=1#post-2542305 by Grimlocktime
DATE WINDOW AND DATE WHEEL:
Date window and date fonts are accurate. No worries about this matter.
SECONDS SUBDIAL @9:
Gen subdial is very recessed, even more recessed than rep subdial, and in last series (F,G, and H) usually shows clear concentric circles. Some gens with few textured dial have no visible circles. But H maker rep is copying highly textured dials. Regarding concentric circles see comments and comparison pics below in the section of dial texture.
White dots and lume sticks on subdial are accurate in H maker rep. See below comments and pics of gen and reps subdials
DIAL SURFACE TEXTURE:
This is a controversial matter on this rep. But it is not so important since gens present also a lot of variations even in the same series. Below you can see three gen PAM 087 dial surfaces of F-series (like H maker rep).


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GEN PAM 087 SMOOTH TEXTURE SURFACE DIAL – Gen from Shoes

This dial of shoes’s gen has smooth texture almost invisible under nuked eye and subdial has no concentric circles.

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GEN PAM 087 MEDIUM TEXTURE SURFACE DIAL – Gen for sale at Watchuwant

Above dial presents a medium texture and the concentric circles are already visible

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GEN PAM 087 REGULAR TEXTURE SURFACE DIAL – Gen from Grimlocktime

Grimlocktime PAM 087 gen shows a noticeable textured dial and the concentric circles are clearly visible and evident
H maker rep dial surface texture is even more marked and evident than above gens. Rep texture is less uniform than gen and is usually a bit rougher. The rep dial texture many times reaches and cover the subdial, getting dirty, partially erasing and even covering the concentric circles. We can see in below rep pics some examples of H maker dial texture and concentric circles from nice texture and defined circles to rough texture and blurred or erased subdial circles:


PAM%2520087-DIAL%2520TEXTURE%2520REP-1%2520NICE%2520-xxxxxxxxx%2520copiar_zpsn1tfgmjm.jpg


PAM%2520087-DIAL%2520TEXTURE%2520REP-2%2520-HIGH%2520TEXT-xxxxxxxxx%2520copiar_zpsmysfnltg.jpg


PAM%2520087-DIAL%2520TEXTURE%2520REP-4%2520ERASED%2520CIRC--xxxxxxxxx%2520copiar_zpsarrtvfu8.jpg


PAM%2520087-DIAL%2520TEXTURE%2520REP-3%2520DIRTY%2520SUB%2520-xxxxxxxxx%2520copiar_zpswao2vzuz.jpg

H MAKER REP PAM 087 TEXTURE SURFACE DIAL AND SUBDIAL CONCENTRIC CIRCLES

Anyway we can say that rep dial texture looks nice and only under some lighting conditions it could seem very high, excessive or rough. I would say it is accurate enough and beautiful.
CRYSTAL:
Gen has a very thick 5mm crystal. Rep crystal looks also as thick as gen and the Cyclops is accurate in size but with more evident “frozen halo” than gen. Magnification is also like gen. AR seems OK but I had desired a better clarity in my own rep. Overall accurate and nice crystal.
HANDS and CANNON PINION
Hands are accurate with a bit dark lume, as above commented. The circle of fixation of the hands to the CP is not as flat as gen, it is a bit concave.


PAM%2520087-%2520CP%2520amp%2520HANDS%2520COMP-xxxxxxx-_zpsd8oqluya.jpg

PAM 087 HANDS AND CANNON PINION - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

CP is very good: accurate, flat and polished, with a bit rounded edges and flush. Rep CP is actually better than it is showed in the pic, it looks more polished and flatter. It looks really good in real thing and at real size, even under the loupe.
Both hands and CP, aside the lume colour, are at real size really good and accurate. No worries in this regard.
MOVEMENT:
Rep movement is an A7750 without chrono functions and decorated rotor with blue engravings.
Gen is a OPIII based in the same Valjoux 7750, without chrono functions and with rotor and bridges decorated with PANERAI PANERAI engravings and golden inscriptions
The rep movement is reliable, and more without the chrono functions, but the decoration is inaccurate and we can see the evident differences in below pic. Since the caseback is solid this inaccuracy is not very important and the rep movement A7750 is reliable enough.


PAM%2520087-MOVEMENT%2520COMP%2520-xxxxx%2520copiar_zpshi8toyzp.jpg

PAM 087 MOVEMENT - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

STRAP:
I usually don’t talk about rep straps, because I consider that people change the rep strap following their own taste. But in this case rep strap is a dark grey with ivory-yellow stitching (matching aged Tritium type lume) made of a lizard type leather which IMO match perfectly the watch and looks really nice. I have kept the rep strap in my PAM 087 and I’m really happy with the combo.


CONCLUSIONS AND EVALUATION:
H maker has really done a good job with this PAM 087 F-series. There are some obvious inaccuracies: overall sharper edges, finish of the bezel brushing, “R” of dial inscriptions, surrounds of dial rectangular stick lumed markers, depth of caseback and lever (1000m) engravings…
But overall look is impressive and the rep has a very strong gen-like appearance. Only by a close inspection and knowing the gen you can tell the inaccuracies. Wear this nice rep is really a pleasure, even with the rep strap, and it is a true eye-catching.
Bear in mind that it is very difficult to copy an old gen watch, with a lot of parts hand finished and with a textured blue dial with aged Tritium type lume. The rep is made by machining and hand finish is used only in the necessary points, that gives to the rep a “perfectly” machined and sharp appearance different from the smoother and hand made look of some gen parts.
PAM 087 H maker is not at all the most accurate rep of PAM SUBs but it is one of the most beautiful and eye-catching. We can consider PAM 087 F-series H maker a nice Super rep bordering a lower status due to some obvious inaccuracies. Anyway it is a must in a good PAM rep collection.


Additional info here:
Nice gen-rep comparison review with awesome pics by Grimlocktime:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/309740-The-Definitive-PAM087F-Rep-Versus-Gen-Comparison by Grimlocktime
Nice review with fanbtastic pics by Kilowattore

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/302846-H-Fac-PAM-087-La-Bomba-review-Better-than-gen-PICS-HEAVY by kilowattore
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?267633-H-Fac-PAM-087-La-Bomba-review-Better-than-gen-PICS-HEAVY by kilowattore
Nice reviews by PolonusTM

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=262619 by PolonusTM
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/278073-H-factory-PAM-087F-photos-and-comments by PolonusTM
Nice pictorial and review from mike00

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=262983&p=2746140#post2746140 by mike00
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/279909-PAM087-Submersible-1000m-***pictorial-review***?p=2571078#post-2571078 by mike00
More info here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/274886-087-is-finally-out by COLDI
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=248805 by mike00
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=262609&p=2742991#post2742991 by denisegold


PAM 087
REPLICA links:
-PAM 087 C-series A-7750 Low grade rep

No longer available

-PAM 087 H maker F-series w/ A-7750
(**)
http://puretime01.com/pam087-f-luminer-submersible-blue-dial-on-gray-leather-strap-a7750.html#
(**)http://www.toro888.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1878
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2482-pam087-h-maker-best-edition-blue-dial-on-lizard-strap-a7750.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=14169
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/-p-18591.html

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_28.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/1000m.html
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?87569-I-think-I-m-done&
http://uhrforum.de/panerai-pam-087-la-bomba-t120584
http://cda.chronomania.net/forum_entry.php?id=125646
https://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-87-g-luminor-submersible-1000m-la-bamba-44mm-stainless-steel-discontinued-model
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=194483
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1144944500/Pam%2B087%2B-%2Bdifferent%2Bversions
4-6




PAM088-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (F & I -series other reps & I-series DSN)

(**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (H maker I-series)
(**) SUPER REP (Noob O-series) best option

(**) SUPER REP (H maker N-series)

The PAM 088 is identical to the PAM237 except with a silver grey seconds@9 sub-dial. This silvered dial gives to this watch a lot of personality and due to that it is a very appreciated model.
The PAM 088, started in 2001 D-series, is a watch with GMT markers in the dial. Panerai changed to inner dial markers from 2000 with the PAM 063, before that the PAM 023 and 029 had GMT markers in the bezel (Explorer type)
PAM 088 is the first GMT Panerai with seconds@9 sub-dial, older models, PAM 023, 029 and 063 have central second hand.
PAM 088 is also the first GMT Panerai with all silvered and well visible GMT hand, before PAM 088 the models PAM 023, 029 and 063 had a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer was visible.
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.



-Replicas before 2013
There are several replicas F-series and I-series from all regular dealers and also I-series from DSN. They all are from low grade to First Class reps bordering lower status.
Now there is a new best version I-series from H-maker seemingly more accurate and with better markers colour which we can consider it as a Super rep bordering lower status.



-Noob O-series
July 2013- Noob releases a new version of this replica PAM 088 O-series with improved Cyclops with less "frozen halo" and better subdial @9 colour. This subdial features concentric circles like the gen and can get the same variations of gen nuances in subdial colour. The CG has the same magnificent quality of last Noob releases. Besides Noob has improved the bevelled of the crystal closer to gen , has introduced a "slim" crown and has improved shape of the roller support of lever. A new Super replica
More info here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210558
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210723&page=2
Very interesting comparison review of PAM 088 Noob 2013 vs. GEN:
http://www.wrist-check.com/showthread.php?34740-Noob-PAM088-vs-Gen-PAM088-by-nakortheblue by Nakortheblue
Good pictorial here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pictorial-review-pam-157676?p=1582402 by mapman57


-H maker N-series
August 2013- H maker releases a N-series version, almost the same as previous I-series. Maybe with better lume, better cyclops and slightly improved CG. But anyway worse version than Noob in case-set, CG, bevelled of crystal and subdial @9. Despite that another Super rep.
Very good candidate for a first PAM replica.


PAM 088
REPLICA links:
-REPS before 2013

http://puretime.watch/product/pam088-gmt-ultimate-edition/ Old low grade rep
(*)
http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam088-i-h-maker-colorless-ar-edition-on-black-rubber-strap/ Hmaker I-series
(*)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12346-pa7080b-pam088-i-gmt-h-factory-black-ss-cro-asian-7750.html Hmaker I-series
(*)
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&produ cts_id=8846 Hmaker I-series
(*)
http://www.dsnwatches.com/2015/08/11/pam-088i/ DSN I-series

-H maker N-series
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/14351-pa14351-pam088-n-luminor-gmt-h-factory-black-ss-lt-asian-7750.html
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14351-pa14351-pam088-n-luminor-gmt-h-factory-black-ss-lt-asian-7750.html
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1644
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2229-pam-088-n-1-1-hf-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&produ cts_id=11084
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn088n01-088n-ssru-black-a7750-28800-p-14689.html
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn088n02-088n-ssle-black-a7750-28800-p-14687.html

-Noob O-series
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam088-o-11-noob-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap/
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14284-14284.html
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/1231-pam088-o-1-1-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_31.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=6 67&id_categoria=37
9-5




PAM089-finalcopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: FIRST CLASS REP medium level (H maker E-series)
The gen PAM 089 follows the way open by the PAM 088 in the GMT line of Panerai watches.
This watch introduced in 2001 D-series has case and bezel made of brushed Titanium and sports an interesting Anthracite brushed dial with a Black seconds@9 sub-dial. It has a strong personality.
Like PAM 088 the 089 is a watch with GMT markers in the dial. Panerai changed to inner dial markers from 2000 with the PAM 063, before that the PAM 023 and 029 had GMT markers in the bezel (Explorer type)
Like PAM 088 the 089 has seconds@9 sub-dial, older models, PAM 023, 029 and 063 have central second hand.
And like PAM 088 has all silvered and well visible GMT hand, before PAM 088 the models PAM 023, 029 and 063 had a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer was visible.
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
Until Mars 2013 there were replicas from regular dealers and also from DSN. They all are very similar and quite good reps.

Mars 2013- H maker introduces a promising replica of this watch made of real Ti and seemingly with accurate dial.
You can see many pics and info in this thread :

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=140583 by PolonusTM

PAM089HMAKERCONJUNTOPICS_zpseb616b78.jpg


This is an awesome looking watch, with a lot of nuances in the dial, changing with light conditions. But the CG has the same shape issue of the new H maker PAM 061. And some differences too in Lugs shape. But the construction and finish are impressive, and it is easy forgetting the flaws. We will wait for future improvements.
Evaluation: First Class rep medium level
Nice pictorial here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=89801&hl=&fromsearch=1 by dalboy - Gazzla

PAM 089

REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam089-gmt-titanium/
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13706-pa13706-.html H maker E-series
(*)
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+089&product_id=817 H maker E-series
(*)
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2629&ti= H maker E-series
(*)
http://www.p-cls.com/pn089e02-089e-antra-p-13499.html H maker E-series
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&produ cts_id=753
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&produ cts_id=10605 H maker E-series
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=101595 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Titanium%20Automatic%20watches/New%20Born%20089E/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_35.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
**




PAM090-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (I-series H maker) (please note: non working PR see comments)
The PAM 090 is the CG on the Right version of PAM 123 Destro
The PAM 222 is a variation of the PAM 090 with Dot markers instead of Stick markers and a decorated Hobnail engraved dial.
The gen PAM 090 introduced in 2001 D-series was, with the 093, the first Power Reserve with the new dial of this Panerai’s line.
The Power Reserve line started with the PAM 027-028 and 057 having big central second hand and PR indicator @6. The PR line underwent a fairly radical design change from the 2001 D-series with the models PAM 090 and 093. The seconds hand is now a small-seconds @9 and the power reserve indicator is now @4. The movement changed from Soprod type to a modified Valjoux OP IX.
There are cheap PAM 090 replicas fitted with A21J and functional PR
See a nice pictorial here

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=86367 by Gazzla
And there are First Class reps bordering lower status (due to lack of PR function) from H maker fitted with A7750 movements but non functional PR (bear in mind this lack of PR function in case it is important for you)

PAM 090
REPLICA links:

(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam090-i-h-maker-best-edition-on-deployant-rubber-strap-a7750/ Hmaker I
(*)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11265-pa0940xf-pam090i-luminor-panerai-black-dial-working-power-reserve-ss-ru-asian-7750.html Hmaker I
(*)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12298-pa6810b-pam090-i-h-factory-best-black-ss-lt-power-reserve-asian-7750.html Hmaker I
http://www.tswatchltd.com/8226-pa6010-pam090-luminor-power-reserve-44mm-ss-lt-asian-autoamtic.html A21J
(*)
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?P_id=2319&ti= Hmaker I
(*)
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+090&product_id=90 Hmaker I
(*)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&produ cts_id=8861 Hmaker I
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&produ cts_id=408 A21J
(*)
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6711 Hmaker I
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_39.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7 21&id_categoria=38
**




PAM091-deficopiar.jpg

The PAM 086 and 091 released in 2001 were the first PAM Luminor Marina Automatic of 44mm. Both models have a complex, but beautiful, Anthracite dial with contrasted different colour seconds@9 sub-dials, minute dial markers and date window with cyclops @3. These watches have a lot of personality and character. Their complex dial contrasts with the more simple dial of the next Panerai automatic, the PAM 104, released in 2002.
The gen PAM 091 have the 44mm standard Panerai Titanium / SS mix bracelet.
This replica PAM 091 is exclusive from DSN catalogue, it is a very nice watch, with a lot of personality and the body watch replica is quite good, but it has a leather strap instead of the beautiful contrasted Ti / SS mix bracelet like the gen has. Therefore we cannot consider it an accurate replica.


PAM 091
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=100036 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Titanium%20Automatic%20watches/New%20Born%20091E/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_172.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
**




PAM092-deficopiar.jpg

The gen PAM 092 was delayed from 2001, 2002, 2003… the Arktos finally surfaced in 2004.It is a watch launched in 500 units to commemorate the start of the Arctic expedition of Mike Horn.
The Arktos story actually started with the Arktos PAM 92. The Arktos Expedition ended up being accomplished in 2 phases due to rough conditions that almost caused Mike Horn to lose the use of his hands and feet permanently due to severe frostbite. He had to take a break to recuperate and during this time he asked Panerai to equip him with a new GMT watch (so he could know what time it was at home & when he called his family). When Mike Horn resumed the Arktos expedition, he was equipped by Panerai with the PAM 186 Arktos GMT (read more about that that in PAM 186 and PAM 252)
Following a general people trend, we have classified the PAM 092 as a Submersible, really it has the looks of Panerai Submersible watches, but - although the gen is water resistant up to 300 meters - technically it's not a submersible. Its rotating bezel is not used to calculate submersion time but it functions as a compass aid instead. The letters N,E,S and W are on the bezel to indicate North, East, South and West. The watch can be used to find the north direction by making the hour hand point straight at the sun. Half the angle between the hour hand and the 12 o'clock index. This direction is south! You can then rotate the bezel to that position to keep track of where you're going. It's a nice function but probably more of a gadget than a useful one.
To make this piece more resistance, as the reason for which it was created, crystal thickness amounts to 4.2 mm.
The PAM 092 has a solid steel case back with a picture of a world map engraved, with an ellipse with an arrow over the Arctic Circle (indicating the circumnavigation), the Arktos inscription and the signature of Mike Horn. The engraving refers to above mentioned Mike Horn's North Pole Winter Expedition.

The replica has a quite good quality.

PAM 092
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam092-arktos-ultimate-edition-ultimate-edition/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/7080-pa7400-pam092-luminor-arktos-44mm-black-dial-ss-ny-asian-21j.html
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11628-xfpa3180-pam092-luminor-arktos-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-21j-automatic.html
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+092&product_id=795
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&produ cts_id=37
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&produ cts_id=38
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_121.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials04.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&i d_prodotto=4388&id_categoria=3084
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2004/156-luminor-arktos-pam00092
**




PAM104-definitivecopiar.jpg

EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (I-series H maker)

(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (N-series Noob)
Evaluation thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-evaluation-thread-125374
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (N-series H maker)
Evaluation thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-evaluation-thread-125377
(**) SUPER REP (O-series Noob)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (O-series H maker)

The PAM 104 is the same as PAM 229 but with Black dial instead of Blue
The PAM 104 is the same as PAM 220 but with Polished case and Leather strap
There is a version similar to PAM 104 in brushed Titanium and Brown dial: the PAM 240 released in 2007.
PAM 104 is full polished even the CG.
The PAM 104 was released in 2002, after the PAM 086 and 091 released in 2001, and it breaks the trend of complex dials started by these models. In comparison with the PAM 086 and 091 the PAM 104 has a very simple and smart black dial.



-Replicas before 2013 – H maker I-sereis - Noob and H maker N-series
There are old reps from H maker I-series evaluated as First Class reps low level.
The best versions, until May 2013, are PAM 104 N-series last replicas from H maker and Noob.
See flaws and quality comments in Evaluation threads above indicated:
Evaluation thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-evaluation-thread-125374
Evaluation thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-evaluation-thread-125377
The Evaluation results are as follows:
- Noob N is superior and can be considered a First Class rep bordering Super rep status.
- H maker N is inferior and is a First Class rep high level



-Noob O-series
May 2013- Noob releases an improved PAM 104 O-series.
Some discussion about here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-104-164-145784?p=1444625 by Ruski91
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=206679 by Puretime
Some good pics of the rep here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1554499&postcount=18by slashtom
Therefore, we can see that this version get some improvements from V3 Noob case application (mainly almost perfect CG) and, besides, new improvements from last releases 2013 of Noob O-series (PAM 088-104 and 297) as follows:
- More accurate beveled in crystal
- Improved frozen halo in cyclops, although still existent
- Colourless Cyclops
-Improved bevelled on crystal
-Better shape of roller support in CG lever
-"Slim" Crown
Since we had evaluated last Noob version as a First Class rep high level we can consider this version O-series as a new Super rep.



-H maker O-series
August 2015- H maker released a rep PAM 104 O-series. There is not official announcement and improvements are not great. Maybe a better finished case and a bit better Cyclops and CP, but the CG remains the same as previous version and worse than Noob versions. No changes on evaluation: First Class rep high level. Therefore the rep stays being worse than Noob O-series

This is a good candidate as a first Panerai replica

PAM 104
REPLICA links:
-H maker I-series

(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2227

-H maker N-series
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12536-pa8610b-pam104-n-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-7750.html
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=9488

-Noob N-series
(*)
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php/index.php?route=product/search&keyword=pam%20104
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1021

-Noob O-series
(**)
http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam104-o-11-noob-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a7750/ Noob O-series
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13870-pa13870.html Noob O-series

-H maker O-series
(*)
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2228-pam104-superlumed-hf-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_14.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7 30&id_categoria=35
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The gens PAM 106 and 170 were a bracelet variant to the submersible line, added in D-series (2002). They have SS bezel and Titanium case instead of an all-SS or all-Ti construction. The bracelet is the Panerai 44mm standard Titanium / SS mix.
The PAM 106 is the same as PAM 170, but the 170 has polished SS parts (bezel and SS bracelet links) instead of brushed like the PAM 106.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
This replica PAM 106 is exclusive from DSN catalogue, and the body watch replica is quite good, but it has a leather strap instead of the beautiful contrasted Ti / SS mix bracelet like the gen has. Therefore we cannot consider it an accurate replica.


PAM 106
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=73873 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20%20Titanium%2044mm%20Submersile%20%20watches/Pam%20106D/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_29.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
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PAM108copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
In 2002 two PAM chronographs a very Limited Edition (only 100 PAM 108) were produced in a co-branding effort with AMG Mercedes. These are close relatives of the current Luminor Chronograph of 40mm but differing hands and typeface on the dial.
These watches were the expensive PAM 105 (only 55 watches produced) made of Polished White Gold and the above watch PAM 108 made of all-mix Brushed Titanium and polished SS in Case-bezel and bracelet. The two watches had even different dial layouts, and different movements.
The rep PAM 108 has a bracelet made of brushed-polished SS instead of the mix bracelet made of Brushed Ti and Polished SS of the gen, which has much better quality. The dial is very inaccurate too. The display caseback denounces also a very different movement. This replica is a Low grade rep and it is not an advisable purchase.


PAM 108
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_53&produ cts_id=4604
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_105.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials02.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2002/169-luminor-chrono-automatic-for-amg-pam00108
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PAM111-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M&N-series Noob, M&N-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP best option (N-series V3 Noob)

The PAM 111 is the same as PAM 112 but with seconds@9 subdial
There is also a watch similar to PAM 111 but in all brushed Titanium version: the PAM 177.
The PAM 247 Ferretti Limited Edition is like a PAM 111 but with solid caseback with signature Ferretti.
There is a Destro version, the PAM 026 but PVD coated and Solid caseback.
The Panerai PAM 111 Luminor Marina is inspired by one of the pioneer models of Luminor which was introduced in the 1940s
The PAM 111 is one of the most famous Panerai watches and many people have been introduced in the Panerai World by this model released in 2002.

From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Marina used the OP II movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Marina now contains the OP XI movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
The PAM 111 is a charismatic PAM, people loves it: It was very curious to see the way it got first place (with a great difference), of RWI Replica of the Year 2011 award from the PAM 005 or PAM 029, despite your Display caseback which denounces its evident flaws (lack of Y shape on Incabloc and usually very bad Swan Neck)
See below threads:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/swan-neck-part-iii-statistical-90559?t=90559 by ALE
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=134438 by ALE
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=134437 by ALE
There are good modifications of these replicas to fix above mentioned flaws. As very good example you can see the pics of an awesome work made by goin 6633 here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/little-trick-for-113732?p=1114263 by goin
More modds by goin:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-111n-noob-131974?p=1297534 by goin
Despite above mentioned flaws (denounced by the Display caseback) the Pam 111 N and M from Noob are one of the best replica ever made. For more information read:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=86121by Puretime
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=177078 by bilabong
The latest versions N-series from Noob must have some improvements over the others. We say “must” because the earlier batches not always had all these improvements. We are not deliberately talking about version numbers V1-V2-V2.5-V3, because it will be useless, since there is a big confusion concerning this matter, read here.

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=109433 by tranzmizzion

September 2012- the "new" so-called V3 version was released. There is a thread started to determine the improvements and flaws of this V3 version:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=115770 by ALE, really very supported by the PCTeam member sharrkey.
According to observations from sharrkey and ALE , the improvements we can expect are:
- Crystal updated to single AR like gen PAM 111 with a very good optics. Be careful because some items seem to have the crystal a little too raised.
- Hands must be Pre-V type like gen.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=108593
- Flattened and polished cannon pinion.
- Matching hands and dial superlume, certainly not as bright as the H-maker’s lume.
- CG improved to the latest standard with nice “square” inner edges.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1054542&postcount=10 by ALE
-“A” central horizontal bar in dial inscriptions is placed higher (very, very lightly).
- Strap screws do seem a better fit, more flush
- Serial numbers in caseback are engraved more deeply.
- Improved and more visible Roller of the lever and axle.
- Nice engraved OFFICINE PANERAI on the movement plates. It semms that sometimes the last “I” is a little lower.
- No modifications concerning Swan Neck (either spring or screw), Incabloc or movement.
As showed in above mentioned thread about V3, the flaws to be corrected in this V3 version are:
- “Y” shaped Incabloc
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=113823.html by goin
- Long screw on Swan Neck
- Correct SHAPE in Swan Neck Spring support
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1168765&postcount=332by ALE
- “Slim” crown
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1156643&postcount=269 by ALE
- Gasket for the CG Pin
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=119090 by Rwolf
- Brushed movement golden Gears and polished bevel of Wheels
- Improvement of OFFICINE PANERAI engraving in movement bridges
The "Fat" crown to be corrected to "Slim" crown is a curious flaw showed by Rwolf in above mentioned thread, about the thickness of the contour (wheel rim) of the Noob crown. This thickness is bigger than gen one, and the H maker crowns are like gen. To well understand this issue see below pic:


PAM111V3-CGCOMPARISONHMAKERNOOB-PAMGUIDEcopiar.jpg


According to Rwolf this Noob “Fat” crown is appropriate for old models without Roller lever, but models with Roller are fitted with “Slim” crowns. Therefore, H maker crown is more accurate for the new series (K-L-M-N-O…) with Roller. See posts #259->#274 in above mentioned thread.
See a good pictorial PAM 111 with gen strap here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam111n-gen-114941?p=1126478 by Del
Pictorial and comparisons with old PAM 111 H maker by Baxter:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?t=34529 by Baxter
WARNING: Be careful because there is from Nov 2012 a batch of V3 Noob with wrong dial markers. For more info read:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=125655p2 by ALE
To detect the flaw:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/124514-pcteam-how-to-detect-the-wrong-dial-in-a-pam-111-v3-noob by ALE
There are replica versions fitted with “Swiss” movements. These "Swiss" movements are not the same of the original mounted in the current gen watches. They are, at best, a "cheap Swiss" Low beat movement with a "cheap" Novodiac shock protection system instead of Incabloc and with an horrible Swan Neck, the same or worse than which you can find in the replicas. The advice is: Save your money and get the good and accurate enough Asian movement.
From Dec 2012 there is a Swiss movement version with a perfect Incabloc, but they are Low beat and have an horrible wrong Swan Neck typical of Noob. They are no worth in my opinion.
The H maker models are very good Super reps too, but Noob is superior due to some differences as follows:
- Noob has better creamish colour and enbossed inscriptions on dial.
- Noob has superior Sandwich dial with deepest markers.
- The current Noob crystal quality and AR are similar if no better than H maker (in old versions H maker was superior).
- Cannon pinion in last version of Noob is more flattened and polished and, therefore, better than H maker CP.
- Better Noob Crown Guard (square inner edges and finish)
- Swan Neck spring and screw continues being clearly superior in H maker.
- H maker has worse finish in movement wheels and worse head shape of screws.
- H maker has printed OFFICINA PANERAI on bridges instead of engraved like in Noob and gen
Noob 44mm case was usually better than H maker, now V3 is clearly better. There is a good review about this comparison made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
PAM 111 is a perfect candidate for a first PANERAI replica.


PAM 111
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-n-v3-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap-with-pre-v-hands/ Noob N V3
(**)
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-n 3-noob-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-with-pre-v-hands/ Noob N V3
(**)
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-n-v3-noob-best-edition-on-black-croco-leather-strap-with-pre-v-hands/ Noob N V3
(**)
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap/ Noob M
(**)
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob M
(**)
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-m-11-h-maker-edition-on-dark-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker M
(**)
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-m-11-h-maker-edition-on-hand-stitched-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker M
(**)
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-m-11-h-maker-edition-on-black-rubber-strap/ Hmaker M
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12889-xfpa2180-noobfactory-pam111-n-v3-black- dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N V3
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12922-xfpa2280fo-noobfactory-pam111-n-v3-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N V3
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12890-xfpa2190-noobfactory-pam111-n-v3-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N V3
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12369-pa7210b-pam111-m-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker N
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12221-pa6100b-pam111-luminor-marina-black-dial-ss-lt-h-maker-1-1-v-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(**)
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+111&product_id=87 Noob N V3
(**)
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2630&ti= Noob N V3
(**)
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2631&ti= Noob N V3
(**)
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2167&ti= Hmaker M
(**)
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1203 Noob N V3
(**)
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=102 Noob N V3
(**)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=8150 Noob M
(**)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=8149 Noob M
(**)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=9172 Hmaker N
(**)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=9396 Hmaker N
(**)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=7708 Hmaker M
(**)
http://www.pf-818.com/pn111m11-ssru-dial-a6497-p-10779.html Noob M
(**)
http://www.pf-818.com/pn111n01-111n-ssru-21600-p-11890.html Hmaker N
(**)
http://www.pf-818.com/pn111n02-111n-ssle-21600-p-12135.html Hmaker N
(**)
http://www.pf-818.com/pn111m03-111m-ssle-6497-superlume-p-10267.html Hmaker M
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=75554 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20Pam%20111M%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_7.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=6 45&id_categoria=34
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PAM112-definitivecopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-N series Noob, M-series H maker) Noob is best option
The PAM 112 is the same as PAM 111 but without seconds@9 subdial.
The PAM 112 is the CG on the Right version of PAM 219 Destro.
There is a watch similar to PAM 112 but in all brushed Titanium version: the PAM 176.
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Base used the OP I movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Base now contains the OP X movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
The PAM112 has been in production since 2002 E-series but the earlier version had a smaller and polished crown guard and a Sausage Luminova dial. It is probably no coincidence that Panerai stopped production of the PAM002 at the same time the company started producing the 112, as the two models would have been very similar if not the same. From the 2005 H-series PAM 112 onwards however, the watch comes with a sandwich dial and a larger brushed steel crown guard.
The new generation of reps is very good and at this moment we have Super reps of this model M-series from Noob and H maker.
M
Noob or M H-maker? for more information read:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=107874 by blind-m
In my opinion Noob case and dial are better and overall Noob has better quality.


Last quarter 2012- Noob starts to introduce the improvements of V3 PAM 111 in all Luminor cases 44mm. Therefore from the end of 2012 these models, PAM 112 included, get V3 improvements. Usually these watches are marked N-series
Noob 44mm case was usually better than H maker, now V3 is clearly better. There is a good review about this comparison made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
A perfect candidate for a first PANERAI replica.


PAM 112
REPLICA links:
(**)
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam112-m-h-maker-best-edition-on-hand-stitched-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker M
(**)
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam112-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-croc-strap/ Noob M
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12127-xfpa5570-pam112-m-luminor-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-6497-manual-wind.html Noob M
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12145-xfpa5750-pam112-m-luminor-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497-manual-wind.html Noob M
(**)
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12129-xfpa5590-pam112-m-luminor-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497-manual-wind.html Noob M
(**)
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+112&product_id=121 Noob N
(**)
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=115 Noob N
(**)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&produ cts_id=8517 Noob M
(**)
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&produ cts_id=7775 Hmaker M
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=75555 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/Pam%20112H/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_4.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=6 38&id_categoria=33
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (DSN H-series)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (Hmaker O-series)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (Noob-Toro O-series) - best option

The PAM 113 is the same as PAM 114 but with seconds@9 subdial.
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Marina used the OP II movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Base now contains the OP XI movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
Therefore the PAM 113 released in 2002 E-series has OP XI movement and
Display caseback.
It is the White dial version of this new generation of Luminor Marina.
The dial of the 113 has Luminova dots at the position of the hours, to ascertain that one can still read the time in the dark. Leaving aside the 9 the painted dial has all the numbers, as opposed to most Panerai Marina watches that usually only have the 3, 6 and 12 on the dial.
Before 2103 there were some replicas of relative good quality, but the best ones were old reps E-series quite good, and H-series from DSN that are First Class rep low level, with some flaws on dial and case.
Please note there are interesting combinations in order to make a better rep. Read about that an interesting RWI post by armanou-pascal:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/its-summer-time-108080

June 2013- H maker releases a rep PAM 113 O-series, with the H maker case and a dial with some pros and many important cons. The white of the dial surface is accurate and nice and the overall appearance of glossy markers is good. But if we analyze the dial more deeply you will see:
- Seconds Subdial @9 is raised instead of recessed like gen. It has less concentric circles than gen, and , therefore circles are bigger.
- Markers are overall thicker than gen (mainly big markers)
- Paint of markers and inscriptions is not as glossy and “liquid” as gen. It is a bit matt and lumpy.
- Inscriptions and markers have not the sharpness and clean definition of gen
- Lume dots are raised, but shape is wrong, gen are half spheres.
- Some markers are inaccurate, mainly 8 and 10. And they have little displacements in position
- Inscriptions on dial have some little inaccuracies see “U”, “R” and “P”
Some info and review of this dial in comparison with gen and a prototype of dial from Noob here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=165158 by ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=64908 by ALE
But anyway the dial has nice appearance and in practice is quite good.
Regarding H maker case, it is already well known , and we can get info about it in the review about this matter made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
Bearing in mind above comments we can evaluate this H maker rep as First Class medium level and slightly better than DSN ones.
More info about these Hmaker replicas:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=208918by ATespo
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=211951&p=2286855#post2286855 by vootzilla
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=151349 by C5000
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=209397 by Vincent007

April 2014- Noob in cooperation with Toro released a new rep PAM 113. Previously, in last quarter of 2013, Noob and Toro had sent to me a prototype of the new 113 dial, in order to make a review and detect the possible flaws to be corrected before final production.
I made the review as you can see in below threads:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=165158 by ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=64908 by ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221660 by ALE
And more info in a RG thread by Toro:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=199932
As you can see by the review, the Noob dial has awesome quality and sharpness of markers either numerals or sticks and the inscriptions are also of good quality. The colour is black and glossy like gen and the overall quality is equivalent to the gen. Dial broken white surface is nice too and very gen-like. In relation to above mentioned subjects and markers thickness, even the prototype was the best version at the moment, superior to H maker one.
The main flaws on Noob prototype were:
-Raised seconds Subdial @9 instead of recessed. Just like H maker
-Some inaccuracies in layout and fonts on dial, almost the same as H maker version (few noticeable).
-Some flaws in lume dots on dial contour (worse than H maker).
After knowing the flaws detected by ALE’s review, Noob has decided that it was not worth to make all corrections due to the expected quantity of future sales.
Therefore, the final watch is fitted with a dial almost the same as the prototype. Noob has just corrected the contour lume dots. Making a nice job in this regard and getting almost prefect definition, size and contours of the dots and a very gen-like appearance (just a bit flatter than gen dots). Noob has also corrected the big markers in subdial @9, making them with more “body” and covering the concentric crircles of the subdial, just like gen, a nice job too.
Unfortunately the raised subdial to getting it recessed has not being corrected, and Noob version remains raised like H maker rep. Even, Noob version has a bit creamy colour, few noticeable, but evident and bothering if you know the issue.
Since the prototyope was already better than other versions and Noob has introduced some improvements, although not all possible ones, we can consider the Noob dial the best option in the market . Even, regarding black and glossy markers quality we can consider it almost equivalent to the gen watch. It is really nice as you can see through very enlarged pics in the review. As above said final version has also improved lume dots.
Bearing in mind that Noob version is fitted with the best case-set available: V3 Noob, we can conclude that Noob is overall the best version available in April 2014.
It is a shame that Noob has decided not to modify raised dial, we had got a new Super rep or First Class rep bordering Super rep status. At this moment the evaluation would be First Class good level and the best option available.
More info here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=225875 by Fuzzer
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=226368&p=2437331#post2437331 by Fuzzer
Interesting comparison Pam 113 O Noob-Toro with DSN PAM 114 H

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=178454 by Mora
PAM 113
REPLICA links:
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam113-o-noob-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497/ Noob O-series
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam113e/ 113E
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=43 113G
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99800 DSN H
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20Born%20113H/ DSN H
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14075-pam113-o-luminor-white-ss-lt-1-1-copy-a6497.html Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2723&ti= Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+113&product_id=836 Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+113&product_id=1001 Noob O-series
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1427 Noob O-series
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=10949 Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn113o01-ssru-white-a6497-21600bph-p-14469.html Hmaker O-series
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_8.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=722&id_categoria=34
http://www.9maiali.com/sellingpost_pic/watches/10K025/larger/10K025_02.jpg
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PAM114copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (Hmaker O-series)
PAM114 is the same as PAM 113 but without seconds@9 subdial.
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Base used the OP I movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Base now contains the OP X movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
Therefore the PAM 114 released in 2002 E-series has OP X movement and Display caseback.
It is the White dial version of this new generation of Luminor Base. The dial of the 114 has Luminova dots at the position of the hours, to ascertain that one can still read the time in the dark. The painted dial has all the numbers, as opposed to most Panerai Luminor Base watches that usually only have the 3,6,9 and 12 on the dial.
The reps of PAM 114 DSN H-sereis are quite good replicas.
Please note there are interesting combinations in order to make a better rep.
Read about that an interesting RWI post by armanou-pascal:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/its-summer-time-108080
Now DSN has not available the complete PAM 114 (it is not included in its new photobucket) but you have available the dial:
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Watch%20Parts%20and%20accessories/Watch%20Dials/dials%20for%2044mm%206497%20winding%20movt/114%20Dial/ DSN dial
About this matter read this interesting build by Frigpig:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=131971p4 by Frigpig

June 2013- H maker releases a rep PAM 114 O-series, with the H maker case and a dial with some pros and many important cons. The white of the dial surface is accurate and nice and the overall appearance of glossy markers is good. But if we analyze the dial more deeply you will see:
- Markers are overall thicker than gen (mainly big markers)
- Paint of markers and inscriptions is not as glossy and “liquid” as gen. It is a bit matt and lumpy.
- Inscriptions and markers have not the sharpness and clean definition of gen
- Lume dots are raised, but shape is wrong, gen are half spheres.
- Some markers are inaccurate, mainly 8 and 10. And they have little displacements in position
- Inscriptions on dial have some little inaccuracies see “U”, “R” and “P”
Some info and review of Pam 113 dial (it is the same but with subdial) in comparison with gen and a prototype of dial from Noob here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=165158 by ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=64908 by ALE
But anyway the dial has nice appearance and in practice is quite good.
Regarding H maker case, it is already well known , and we can get info about it in the
review about this matter made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
Bearing in mind above comments we can evaluate this H maker rep as First Class medium level and slightly better than DSN ones.
More info about these Hmaker replicas:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=208918 by ATespo
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=151349 by C5000

April 2014-Since Noob in cooperation with Toro have already released a PAM 113 O-series, we remain waiting for a new release of PAM 114 from Noob-Toro fitted with the new Noob dial, which not having subdial @9, it will avoid the subdial flaws and we could get a First Class rep bordering Super rep status or even a Super rep. Read PAM 113 data
ture Noob PAM 113 and 114


PAM 114
REPLICA links:
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=1337&ti= 114 H
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=4382 114 H
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14078-pam114-o-luminor-white-ss-lt-1-1-copy-a6497.html Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2725&ti= Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+114&product_id=837 Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=10950 Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn114o01-ssru-white-a6497-21600bph-p-14468.html Hmaker O-series
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_5.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=637&id_categoria=33
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PAM117-finalcopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The PAM 117 is the Destro version of PAM 118 CG on the Right.
The rep PAM 117 is the same as rep PAM 056 but with Display caseback instead of Solid. The gens have different movement too.
(See PAM 005 for more related watches)
The dial colour of the replica is Black instead of Brown like the gen. This watch is not an advisable rep. For a Luminor Titanium Destro the best rep choice is PAM 056 from DSN or better D-sereis from H maker


PAM 117
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam115f-lite/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=5230
NOTE: Puretime indicates incorrectly PAM 115 in its catalogue (PAM 115 is made of SS)
GEN links:
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/destro.html
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_161.html
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PAM118-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The PAM 118 is the CG on the Right version of PAM 117 Destro.
It is like a Brushed Titanium version of PAM 005 without logo and with Display caseback (See PAM 005 for more related watches)
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Marina used the OP II movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Marina now contains the OP XI movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
The PAM 118 was released in 2002 E-series, therefore with the OP XI movement and display caseback and has Brown dial.
The dial colour of the replica is Black instead of Brown like the gen. This watch is not an advisable rep. For Luminor Titanium
replicas the best options are the PAM 176 and 177, followed by PAM 061 and 056 D-series H maker and followed by PAM 056, PAM 036 and 040 from DSN.

PAM 118
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_50&products_id=96
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_156.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
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PAM119copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The PAM 119 is a watch similar to PAM 048 but with blue dial.
The gen PAM 119, introduced in 2002 E-series, is a very impressive watch with nice Brushed Blue dial.
This replica has a cheap movement and has a very inaccurate dial. It is a Low grade replica and it is not an advisable purchase.


PAM 119
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&products_id=8916
http://www.pf-818.com/pn119k01-40mm-auto-ssle-asia-2813-p-11615.html
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7096
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_169.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto40.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/pam-119-f---luminor-marina-automatic---40mm-stainless-steel---discontinued-model-blue-dial---boxespapers--as-new--id1991569.htm?query=Panerai+pam+119+f+luminor+marina&dosearch=true&searchexplain=1&resultview=list&goal_suggest=1&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/clone-panerai-pam-119-h-luminor-marina-automatic-40mm-stainless-steel-discontinued-model-blu
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PAM123-deficopiar.jpg

The PAM 123 is the Destro version of PAM 090 CG on the Right
The gen PAM 123, introduced in 2002 E-series, belongs to the new generation of Power Reserve with the new dial of this Panerai’s line.
The Power Reserve line started with the PAM 027-028 and 057 having big central second hand and PR indicator @6. The PR line underwent a fairly radical design change from the 2001 D-series with the models PAM 090 and 093. The seconds hand is now a small-seconds @9 (@3 for this PAM 123 Destro version) and the power reserve indicator is now @4 (@10-11 for this Destro version). The movement changed from Soprod type to a modified Valjoux OP IX.
There are relatively cheap and quite good PAM 123 replicas fitted with A23J and functional PR.


PAM 123
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam123-power-reserve-lefty-on-rubber-strap-a2813/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam123-power-reserve-lefty-on-black-croco-leather-strap-/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11625-xfpa2950-pam123-luminor-lefty-black-dial-power-reserve-ss-lt-asian-23j-automatic.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&products_id=6079
http://www.pf-818.com/pn12301-lefty-ssle-asian-functional-reserve-p-8407.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_206.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html
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PAM127copiar.jpg

EVALUATION:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (Noob before Oct 2103)
(**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (Noob from Oct 2013)-(with low distortion crystal)
(**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (ZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc) - (with low distortion crystal) - just a bit worse than Noob
(**) SUPER REP low level (KW-V6FacZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc)-(with correct KW movement and low distortion crystal)
(**) SUPER REP low level (KW-V6Fac version “OOR” w/ “Y” Incabloc)-(with correct KW movement and low distortion crystal)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (DSN version 2015 w/ “Y” Incabloc)- evaluation depending on the origin of the case
The gen PAM 127 1950 “Fiddy” is a homage to the vintage “6152/1”, destined to be the watch of 2002/2003. See this interesting link by Goin: https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/114033-*PCTeam*-History-amp-heritage-6152-1-amp-PAM-127-Fiddy?p=1116950#post-1116950
The Limited Edition production of 1950 pieces is scheduled to be spread over 2002 and 2003.
This watch has a very large 47 mm stainless steel case with a black Sandwich Luminova dial with the 1950 and Luminor Panerai inscriptions. Because this was the first Special Edition in the historically correct 47 mm size with a locking CG, it is probably the most popular special edition ever introduced by Panerai.
It has gold hands and a gold sub second hand that are just stunning against the black background. The crystal is a sapphire with dome shape. It has a Display caseback showing off its OPXI movement, decorated with PANERAI PANERAI engravings, which looks similar in design to the vintage Rolex pocket watch movement that these pieces housed.
Highly collectible due to its Limited Edition of 1950 pieces and its historic resemblance to the vintage watch made in "1950". Also known as the “Fiddy”, this watch has more character than any Panerai watch ever offered.
This gen watch continues to get harder and harder to get as resale prices steadily climb.
The PAM 127 is the CG on the Right version of PAM 217 (but 217 has on the dial Marina Militare instead of Luminor Panerai like the 127)



-Noob reps. before October 2013
PAM 127 reps from Noob factory before October 2103 are First Class rep high level. Bear in mind there is a lower quality old version from Noob.
Beautiful pictorial review PAM 127 on gen strap:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-127-w-119009?p=1167597by BMW760
There are several important flaws on Noob version which you can see below in the modifications proposed by marlin. Especially ugky is the wrong colour of golden engravings OFFICINE PANERAI FIRENZE which is actually yellow
Nice modds by marlin2284 here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/120168-*PCTeam*-My-first-modded-all-Asian-Noob-127 by marlin2284
Here you have a summary of the modifications proposed by marlin 2284 for this watch:
PAM127MODIFICACIONESDEMARLIN_zpsa6ab4b05.jpg


And the general result in comparison with a gen:
PAM127GEN-MARLINMOOD_zpsc2b894b4.jpg


Below you can see another marlin proposal based in Swiss gen parts:
PAM127-MARLINSWISSMODIFICATIONcopiar_zps5ca43bda.jpg


Warning: In summer 2012 there was a batch of replicas from Noob seemingly having crystal quality issues. See here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/112606-*PCTeam*-Latest-Noob-Fiddy-crystal-issues?p=1102995 by Goin

At the end of November 2012 Noob introduced a new batch of the watch with a "corrected" crystal. It seems better than the last one, but it is not yet completely OK. We have started a discussion thread about this matter here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/124736-*PCTeam*-PAM-127-Noob-Crystal-DISTORTION-issues-Already-fixed-by-Noobby ALE
Ryanwayer has published a thread with good pics of the new batch:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/124572-PANERAI-PAM127-Noob-Factory-Superlumed-Ultimate-Edition-on-Tan-Leather-Strap-358
In January 2013 marlin2284 proposed a solution by changing the Noob crystal with a WSO crystal, you can see the results and info in this thread:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/130905-*PCTeam-PAM-127-distortion-issue-possibly-solved-(modem-burner)
In February 2013 marlin detected a diameter dimension issue in WSO crystal, be careful !!:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/132688-*PCTeam*-127-WSO-crystal-possible-faults-!!IF-YOU-ARE-GETTING-ONE-PLEASE-READ!!
Anyway with a WSO crystal marlin has made one of the best Fiddy modd ever:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/133121-*PCTeam*-If-your-a-PAM-127-quot-Fiddy-quot-freak-like-me-then-CHECK-THIS-OUT
Below you can see one of the best Franken PAM 127 ever built
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=226235&p=2435575#post2435575 by ls2imprs


-Noob reps. from October 2013 with corrected crystal distortion and golden engravings on bridges
October 2013- Noob releases the waited new PAM 127 batch correcting crystal distortion and adding some improvements in movement decoration, correcting the colour of OFFICINE PANERAI FIRENZE engravings to golden.
Some last crystals Oct-2103 seem very good, but be careful accepting QCpics because there are still some bad crystals, distortion issue is not yet completely fixed. The decoration of the movement has improved the old ugly yellow colour of the engraved inscriptions, even the quality of PANERAI-PANERAI engravings seems improved, more clean and nice like gen.
A RWI member called specialforce has taken pics of the old and new movement inscriptions. These inscriptions should be golden but rep have yellow colour. “Old” inscriptions are ugly “mustard yellow” whereas “new” inscriptions have a nicer “sand yellow” or milk-tea. Anyway not completely golden but better and nice enough.


PAM127-inscriptionscolourOCT2013copiar_zpscc7a9a39.jpg

SPECIAL FORCE PICS SHOWING THE COLOUR OF OCT-2013 INSCRIPTIONS

REVIEW: You can see below the review and comparison of Noob with ZFac and KW-V6Fac versions

With above commented improvements PAM 127 reo from Noob get an evaluation of Super rep bordering lower status, but conditioned upon the quality of the crystal distortion.
Nice review and beautiful pics here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/177118-Noob-PAM-127-short-review-PICS-HEAVYby kilowattore
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=227202 by kilowattore


-SF version Nov 2014
November 2014- SF released a rep of PAM 127 E-series fitted with a movement A6497 similar to Noob.
This rep really has no pretentions, because it is full of flaws.
-Inaccurate shape of lugs and case
-Inaccurate fonts of inscriptions on dial
-Completely wrong placement of inscriptions on dial. Really displaced from the gen position.
-Thinner sandwich markers
-Inaccurate shape of CG and lever
-Bad crown
-Bad colour of engravings on movement bridges and ugly perlage
-Mineral crystal
Finish is OK but the flaws don’t allow a good evaluation
I think is not even a good rep although it is nicely made
More comments here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=242076&p=2578710#post2578710 by j1m1501


-“Hibrid” version (discontinued)
January 2015- It was released a weird rep sometimes called KW or V6Fac and other times from Noob. Most likely it was an “hybrid” made with remaining parts from everywhere to take care of the big demand of this watch from the Noob stop production.
The lume doesn’t seem good, ugly CP and the crystal leaves a lot to be desired. Jusat a commercial trick and non interesting release.
More comments here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/207230-new-noob-and-v6f-hybrid-127-is-out%EF%BC%81 by vader1
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/207553-Any-review-of-the-new-pam-127-by-KW-fac?p=2094470#post-2094470post2094470 by cosmicgate
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/208112-Panerai-127-New-Stock?p=2100193#post-2100193post2100193 by j1m1501
Comments from Evora:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/207230-new-noob-and-v6f-hybrid-127-is-out%EF%BC%81?p=2091778&viewfull=1#post-2091778
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/207230-new-noob-and-v6f-hybrid-127-is-out%EF%BC%81?p=2095221&viewfull=1#post-2095221
There is no possibility of a valid evaluation of this rep because the production was really small and never was assured the origin of the parts


-ZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc
May 2015- ZFac releases a new rep PAM 127 E-series fitted with “Y” shape modified rep Incabloc and micrometric screw with correct length.
Comments and pics about ZFac

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments?p=2332832&viewfull=1#post-2332832 by peterpl
More info here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=101363&st=0 by kiko1314
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=252514 by 481609
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=252775 by jonnyknox

REVIEW: You can see below the review and comparison of ZFac with Noob and KW-V6Fac versions

This rep gets an evaluation of Super rep bordering lower status. It is just a bit worse than Noob 2013, mainly due to a worse dial and more inconsistent finish quality, besides the ZF crystal distortion is usually worse than the last Noobs.


-KW-V6FacZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc
June 2015- KW-V6Fac releases a new rep PAM 127 E-series fitted with “Y” shape modified rep Incabloc and micrometric screw with correct length.
More info here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/231718-KW127 by svshawn
Pole KW vs. ZFAC vs. DSN (new version)

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/264974-127-DSN-Or-another-factory by beau_bands

REVIEW:You can see below the review and comparison of KW-V6Fac with Noob and ZFac versions

In order to get this watch closer to gen the modder marlin proposes some great Modds.
Since Noob version is not already available in 2105, marlin has chosen the KW-V6fac version as the new version to be modified, considering this is the best option and more appropriate to apply his modds.


PAM%2520127%2520KW-V6Fac%2520MODDS%2520BY%2520MARLIN_zpsim5ytpy0.jpg

MODDS OF PAM 127 KW-V6Fac BY marlin

More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/262943-Looks-like-I-am-a-Panerai-owner-again?p=2450563#post-2450563 by chris9
Pole KW vs. ZFAC vs. DSN (new version)

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/264974-127-DSN-Or-another-factory by beau_bands

WARNING !!- there are some batches of KW-V6Fac PAM 127 E-series and OOR from October 2015 which are fitted with inaccurate SF Movement. Be careful with QC pics
Read more info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/265871-BE-AWARE!-Flawed-KW-PAM-127-with-SF-movement-***-QCpics-allowed-*** by undercoverz
This rep gets an evaluation of Super rep low level. Always depending on low distortion crystal.



-KW-V6Fac version “OOR” w/ “Y” Incabloc
August 2015 -KW-V6Fac releases a new rep PAM 127 OOR (Out Of Range) fitted with “Y” shape modified rep Incabloc and micrometric screw with correct length.
These KW reps have the same features, pros and cons as KW-V6Fac PAM 127 E-series previously commented
Some info here

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments by PolonusTM

WARNING !!- there are some batches of KW-V6Fac PAM 127 E-series and OOR from October 2015 which are fitted with inaccurate SF Movement. Be careful with QC pics
Read more info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/265871-BE-AWARE!-Flawed-KW-PAM-127-with-SF-movement-***-QCpics-allowed-*** by undercoverz

This rep gets the same evaluation than KW-V6Fac E-series: Super rep low level, since it is the same watch with different caseback engraving.



****COMPARISON REVIEW Noob vs. ZFac vs. KW-V6Fac ****
MOVEMENT:
Gen PAM 127 has a nice movement OP XI, ETA 6497-2 based. In this watch the movement bridges are decorated with PANERAI PANERAI engravings and brushed with a very nice sunburst effect with curved beams. OFICCINE PANEARI FIRENZE and other engravings are sharp defined and with a nice golden colour (for from yellowish like some reps).
The bridges are nicely finished with carefully polished edges and bevels of jewel holes, and uniformly flat surfaces even near the edges marking nicely the bevelled edges. The PANERAI PANERAI engravings are not very deep, but are very uniform and nicely made, with square edges and corners. The overall effect is really beautiful and gives strong personality to this movement. Forget to get this nice effect and finish on rep movements.
Rep bridges edges are not as nicely made as gen and the polishing of bevelled edges is way worse in all reps.


INSCRIPTIONGENGOLD127copiar_zps22d75fa8.jpg

GOLDEN ENGRAVING ON GEN PAM 127 BRIDGES – SUNBURST BRUSHING

Rep bridges surfaces of last Noob are not as uniformly flat as gen and you can see some rounded or overpolished surfaces near the bridge edges in all reps. Modern 2015 reps ZFac, KW and SF are better in this regard having flat bridges surfaces and marked edges although worse polished than gen. Zfac and KW are finishing the PANEARI-PANERAI engravings a bit before the edge of the bridge, just like gen
More info here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments?p=2461899&viewfull=1#post-2461899 by marlin
In real size the appearance of rep movements is good enough (under naked eye), but with a side by side comparison the differences are more evident for a semi-trained eye.
PANERAI PANERAI engravings: these engravings are not placed randomly and are exactly placed in the same position in all gens. That doesn’t occur in all reps, mainly in balance cock, as we will se below.
Engravings, as above commented, are not extremely deep on gens but are very well uniformly made, with sharpness and square edges and corners. The overall engraving denotes great quality. Rep engravings are usually thicker than gen, not at all as sharp, sometimes uneven and with rounded edges and corners.
Noob, is sometimes very uneven and a bit “dirty”, has inaccurate R but the placement of the engravings is accurate even in balance cock.
ZFac, is the most accurate PANEARI engraving, with uniform manufacture, accurate fonts, but not as sharp as gen and with more rounded corners. Engravings placement are correct, but unfortunately is completely wrong in balance cock (really inaccurate)
KW-V6Fac, is a bit thicker and deeper than gen, almost as sharp as ZFac but seems a bit marked. Unfortunately fonts are inaccurate because are a bit narrower (mainly P and R). The placement of engravings is really good even in balance cock.


PAM%2520127%2520BALANCE%2520COCK%2520COMP-%2520DEFI%2520copiar_zpstrpnshyg.jpg

BALANCE COCK – INCABLOC – SWAN NECK COMPARISONS WITH GEN

INCABLOC and LYRE SPRING: Obviously gen has gen PAM Incabloc “Y” shaped and the Lyre Spring is also different with less curved central circles.
Noob: has neither ”Y” shaped Incabloc nor gen Lyre Spring and presents the usual rep “I” shaped Incabloc and rep Lyre spring.
ZFac and KW-V6Fac: these makers are using a rep Incabloc nicely modified. Maybe is the best rep modified Incabloc ever, but bear in mind that it is always rep. A trained eye can tell the rep even under naked eye. The Lyre Spring is the same as Noob in both reps, the usual rep spring used in all rep 6497 movements.
SWAN NECK SPRING; the three reps are using the already known Swan Neck spring Noob type with inaccurate shape and wrong screws support, even with ugly screws neither well finished nor flat. Obvious flaw for a trained eye.
MICROMETRIC SCREW: Gen screw is long enough to get the full regulation, has long head and presents two holes in the head to make easier the regulation.
Noob: has the typical short Noob screw with smaller head and without holes
ZFac and KW-V6Fac: have the same new screw with correct length, correct head size, but still without regulation holes. Also the tip of the screw is clearly pointy instead of flat (really curious flaw, and unnecessary IMO)
- llllllll + SCALE OF REGULATION: the engraving is accurate enough in all reps. Aside the colour, of which we will speak below. The placement is not accurate in all rep versions. Noob has the best placed engraving, ZFac engraving is really detached from the blue screw of balance cock and KW-V6Fac is really closer to the blue screw.
REGULATOR LEVER (DAGGER): In gen the dagger has the same thickness as the Swan Neck spring, Noob is accurate in this regards, but in ZFac and KW-V6Fac the dagger is clearly thinner than the Swan Neck spring.
PALET FORK BRIDGE- Gen has brushed surface. In all reps is not brushed.
STAMPS UNDER BALANCE WHELL: Gen has serial number ETA .Noob has no stamp
ZFac has accurate enough serial number ETA stamp. KW-V6Fac- Has wrong 6497-1 ETA instead of 6497-2
BLUE SCREWS- these screws are flat in gen. Noob has also flat and accurate screws. ZFac has also flat and accurate screws. KW-V6Fac has a bit rounded surface screws.
SUNBURST EFFECT: Gen has clear sunburst effect made with curved beams. Rep sunburst effects are a bit hit and mis, with many variations, but usually they are as follows:
Noob has less sunburst effect than gen and the beams are straight. ZFac has maybe the stronger effect, many times stronger than gen, but the beams are also straight. and with curved beams. KW effect usually tends to be less pronounced than gen, but the beams are curved like gen ones. If you like strong effect and don’t mind the curved shape, ZFac is the best for you. If you like the curved effect and don’t mind a less pronounced effect KW-V6Fac is your choice, with a bit of luck you could get a unit with sunburst effect as pronounced as gen.
See more info here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments?p=2462299&viewfull=1#post-2462299 by marlin
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/262943-Looks-like-I-am-a-Panerai-owner-again?p=2456491&viewfull=1#post-2456491 by marlin
OFFICINE PANERAI FIRENZE and other golden engravings: Nice gold colour in gen, not yellowish. Noob is accurate font shape but a bit thick and less crisp fonts, colour is good but more yellowish. ZFac has accurate enough fonts, colour is just a bit yellowish. KW-V6Fac has narrower and taller fonts, but yery good and accurate golden colour.
RATCHET AND CROWN WHEELS: As usually the bevelled is wider on all reps and not polished like gen. The wheels sunburst effect is better in Noob and KW, very gen-like. ZFac has more evident and rough sunburst brushing.
RATCHET AND CROWN WHEELS SCREWS: Rep screws are far from gen. Gen screws have flat upper surface and the edges of contour are sharp. The notch is nicely made uniform and with clean bottom part. Noob, ZFac and KW screws have usually a bit rounded upper surface, rounded contour edges and really ugly and sloppy notch with especially rough bottom part.
GEAR TRAIN: is brushed in gen. All reps have non brushed and glossy gears.
More info about Asian Panerai Calibre OP XI movements

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/268437-Special-Asian-Panerai-Calibre-OP-XI-movements by undercoverz
MID-CASE AND BEZEL- In relation to the gen the reps are as follows:
All reps case shapes have differences with gen in the back where the insertion of the lugs is different from gen, but few noticeable without side by side comparison.
Noob- Cushion shape a bit more squared than gen but the most accurate together with ZFac. Lugs are a bit longer and fatter with more pronounced upper curve. Bezel is OK
ZFac- Cushion shape a bit more squared than gen but the most accurate together to Noob. Lugs are quite correct with accurate length and correct shape. Bezel has the base a bit taller.
KW-V6Fac- Cushion shape a littler more squared than gen even more thanm Noob or ZFac. Lugs have correct length, are a bit thinner but with correct shape. Bezel is OK
CROWN GUARD- In relation to the gen rep CGs are as follows:
Noob- Nice overall finish of edges and corners, nice corners chamfered. The inner space for the crown is a bit taller. REG. T.M. engravings are accurate enough. Lever is accurate, but the tip is more square shaped overall mainly in the inner edge.
ZFac- A bit worse than noob, correct overall finish of edges and corners, correct corners chamfered. The inner space for the crown is a bit taller. REG. T.M. engravings are accurate enough but with some differences on placement. Lever is accurate, but the tip is more square shaped and thinner.
KW-V6Fac- Nice overall finish of edges and corners, nice corners chamfered, similar to Noob or even better. The inner space for the crown is a bit taller. REG. T.M. engravings are accurate enough. Lever is accurate, but the tip is more square shaped overall mainly in the inner edge, like Noob.
DIAL: In relation to the gen rep dials are as follows:
Noob- Accurate layout. Dial surface and colour OK. Sandwich markers an cutouts are accurate and nicely made. LUMINOR PANERAI inscription with accurate fonts (correct thickness), placement and colour, maybe a bit glossy. 1950 inscription with correct placement with a bit more rounded fonts (few noticeable).
ZFac- Accurate layout. Dial surface and colour OK. Sandwich markers an cutouts are accurate and nicely made but they are not as good as Noob. LUMINOR PANERAI inscription with accurate fonts with some little differences (they tend to be thicker), good placement and colour. 1950 inscription with correct placement with a bit smaller fonts (few noticeable).
KW-V6Fac - Accurate layout. Dial surface and colour OK. Sandwich markers an cutouts are accurate and nicely made. LUMINOR PANERAI inscription with accurate fonts (they tend to be thinner), good placement and colour. 1950 inscription with correct placement and fonts. The better dial together with Noob or even better.
HANDS and CP: In relation to the gen rep hands and CP are as follows:
Noob- Hour hand with correct length and narrower lume. Minute hand with correct length and wider lume. CP is a bit smaller (few noticeable), a bit recessed, pointy and with worse polishing.
ZFac- Hour hand with correct length and narrower and shorter lume. Minute hand with correct length and correct lume width. CP has correct size, a bit recessed, flat and with worse polishing, but good enough in practice.
KW-V6Fac- Hour hand with correct length and almost correct lume (last batches, because there was some batches with narrower lume). Minute hand with correct length and almost correct lume width (some pics showed a less pointy minute hand but maybe was a crystal distortion or first batches). CP is a bit bigger (few noticeable), flush, flat and with good polishing. Maybe the best CP.
CASEBACK-
Noob- Good finish. Accurate fonts. A little less sharp and deep than KW, but good enough, almost at the same level as KW
ZFac- Good finish. Accurate fonts. Sharp and deep engravings. The most accurate and nice of the reps
KW-V6Fac- Good finish. Accurate fonts. Sharp and deep engravings. The most accurate and nice of the reps
OVERALL FINISH AND GEN-LIKE APPEARANCE:
In this regard the best rep is KW-V6Fac followed by the noob and then ZFac and the last one would be SF.
As usually KW-V6Fac has an impressive finsh and gen-like appearance. In this way you can forget some little flaws on cushion shape of the case. As always you cannot see the little flaws from 50cm but you can notice the gen-like appearance.
Read about the gen like appearance of KW PAM 217 – (valid for PAM 127 KW) :

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/236309-*PCTeam*-KW-V6F-PAM-217-review?p=2371154&viewfull=1#post-2371154 by Ashu2289
CRYSTAL: The dome shaped crystal produces always a more or less pronounced distortion in the transition zone of the two radius of the curved domed surface.
This is always a controversial matter, because the production of sapphire domed crystal is not at all easy and even the gen presents in some batches ugly distortions.
Of course the rep crystals are always hit and miss and you can get more or less nice distortions and usually ugly and pronounced distortion. There are also many variations between batches and we cannot get a fixed rule.
Noob was a lot of problems on crystals in summer 2102, corrected after several months. But always the distortions were really inconsistent and the Noob crystals had a lot of differences.
It is the same in current versions and always is a matter of luck to get a crystal with nice or just acceptable distortion. People have to be extremely careful checking QC pics.
Zfac crystal is flatter and less domed than gen, Noob and KW, sometimes with correct distortion but usually worse than KW version
After see many pics, wristshots and QC pics I can say that the best current crystals I have seen are from KW-V6Fac version. A good percentage of last KW-V6Fac PAM 127 are f¡tted with crystals of nice or more than acceptable distortion.
After KW the best crystal seems to be Noob and them we have ZFac and SF.
More info about all reps here:
Comparison ZFac & KW-V6Fac with gen by Ice Gee:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=252514&p=2684362&viewfull=1#post2684362 by Ice Gee
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/216686-ZF-PAM127/page9?p=2308639&viewfull=1#post-2308639 by Ice Gee
Review PAM 127 KW:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments by PolonusTM
Some interesting comments about KW and Noob:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments?p=2459719&viewfull=1#post-2459719 by marlin
Comparisons ZFac & KW-V6Fac

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/244482-ZF-vs-V6-KW-127-who-has-held-both-which-is-better?p=2325333#post-2325333 by Strodda
Many comments about ZFac and KW-V6Fac versions:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/216686-ZF-PAM127 by takoxavy
Comparison KW – Noob:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments?p=2331247&viewfull=1#post-2331247 by kilowattore
Comparisons Noob- KW –ZFac :

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/216686-ZF-PAM127/page13?p=2386404&viewfull=1#post-2386404 by kilowattore
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/216686-ZF-PAM127/page13?p=2386965&viewfull=1#post-2386965 by ALE


-SF version 2015 w/ “Y” Incabloc
August 2015- SF releases a new rep PAM 127 E-series, improving previous SF version from Nov 2014. This new version has some improvements like the sapphire crystal instead of mineral and movement fitted with “Y” shape modified rep Incabloc and micrometric screw with correct length. But it has still some flaws and serious inaccuracies to get a good evaluation similar to the other makers versions.
Below you can see a review of this SF version:
MOVEMENT:
PANERAI PANERAI engravings: SF engravings are a bit thicker and deeper than gen. Unfortunately fonts are inaccurate because are a bit narrower (mainly P and R). The placement of engravings is really bad because is wrong in all bridges. Very noticeable flaw especially in balance cock. See the last above figure of comparisons.
INCABLOC and LYRE SPRING: SF is the same as KW and ZFac, rep Incabloc nicely modified. Maybe is the best rep modified Incabloc ever, but bear in mind that it is always rep. A trained eye can tell the rep even under naked eye. The Lyre Spring is the same as Noob in both reps, the usual rep spring used in all rep 6497 movements.
SWAN NECK SPRING: SF is using the same as Noob, KW and ZFac. It is already known Swan Neck spring Noob type with inaccurate shape and wrong screws support, even with ugly screws, neither well finished nor flat. Obvious flaw for a trained eye.
MICROMETRIC SCREW: Gen screw is long enough to get the full regulation, has long head and presents two holes in the head to make easier the regulation.
SF, ZFac and KW-V6Fac: have the same new screw with correct length, correct head size, but still without regulation holes. Also the tip of the screw is clearly pointy instead of flat (really curious flaw, and unnecessary IMO)
- llllllll + SCALE OF REGULATION: the engraving is accurate enough in all reps. Aside the colour, of which we will speak below. SF placement is not accurate, engraving is really detached from the blue screw of balance cock like ZFac.
REGULATOR LEVER (DAGGER): In gen the dagger has the same thickness as the Swan Neck spring, but in SF reps the dagger is clearly thinner than the Swan Neck spring like in ZFac and KW-V6Fac.
PALET FORK BRIDGE- Gen has brushed surface. In all reps is not brushed.
STAMPS UNDER BALANCE WHELL: Gen has serial number ETA. SF has accurate enough serial number ETA stamp.
BLUE SCREWS- these screws are flat in gen. SF has flat and accurate screws. Maybe better than previous versions.
SUNBURST EFFECT: Gen has clear sunburst effect made with curved beams. Rep sunburst effects are a bit hit and mis, with many variations. SF I very similar to KW, the effect usually tends to be less pronounced than gen, but the beams are curved like gen ones.
OFFICINE PANERAI and other golden engravings: Nice gold colour in gen, not yellowish. SF has accurate fonts and yery good and accurate golden colour.
RATCHET AND CROWN WHEELS: As usually the bevelled is wider on SF and not polished like gen. The wheels sunburst effect is nice like in Noob and KW, very gen-like.
RATCHET AND CROWN WHEELS SCREWS: SF movement has the nicest and more accurate screws, the upper surfaces are flat and the edges of the contour are sharp. The notch is nicer than other versions but not as nice as gen.
GEAR TRAIN: is brushed in gen. SF reps have non brushed and glossy gears like the other versions.
MID-CASE AND BEZEL: In relation to the gen SF reps are as follows:
SF- Cushion shape clearly more squared than gen even with marker angle at the top, the less accurate of the current versions. Lugs have correct length, but are thinner. Bezel is taller. Of course the worse mid-case
CROWN GUARD- In relation to the gen SF reps are as follows:
Sloppy overall finish of edges and corners, very inconsistent corners chamfered and sometimes inexistent. The inner space for the crown has correct size. REG. T.M. engravings are inaccurate on fonts and position. Lever shape is inaccurate and the tip is completely squared, thinner and detached from the case.
DIAL: No necessary review because the dial inscriptions are completely inaccurate with clearly different fonts and wrong placement. Very noticeable and serious flaw which downgrades more the evaluation of this rep.
HANDS and CP: In relation to the gen SF hands and CP are as follows:
Hour hand with correct length and narrower and shorter lume. Minute hand with correct length and wider lume. CP is bigger, almost flat and with good finish, good enough in practice.
CASEBACK- Good finish but a bit more sloppy than other versions. Less accurate fonts in relation with other versions. Less sharp and deep engravings. The worst caseback of the reps.
OVERALL FINISH AND GEN-LIKE APPEARANCE: SF is the worst finished rep in comparison with noob, ZFac and KW.
CRYSTAL: As above commented, dome shaped crystal produces always a more or less pronounced distortion in the transition zone of the two radius of the curved domed surface. This is always a controversial matter, because the production of sapphire domed crystal is not at all easy and even the gen presents in some batches ugly distortions.
Of course the rep crystals are always hit and miss and you can get more or less nice distortions and usually ugly and pronounced distortion. There are also many variations between batches and we cannot get a fixed rule.
KW has the best average of good crystals, after seems to be Noob and them we have ZFac and SF.
There are many flaws in this rep to get a high evaluation, the inaccurate fonts on dial inscriptions is serious, IMO just a Good rep improving previous SF version, but far from the competitors.



-DSN version 2015 w/ “Y” Incabloc
August 2105- DSN releases a new rep PAM 127 E-series with “Y” Incabloc on movement.
DSN movement is Low beat and has SF type bridges with inaccurate fonts and wrong placement of PANERAI PANERAI engravings. Completely inaccurate balance cock engravings and regulation –lllllllll+ scale. Although movement has SF appearance DSN has rounded blue screws and wheels screws instead of flat like SF has
Swan Neck spring is the most accurate of all versions I have seen
Dial inscriptions are very glossy and maybe a bit white or grey
Pole KW vs. ZFAC vs. DSN (new version):

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/264974-127-DSN-Or-another-factory by beau_bands
More info here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/269329-Quick-Comparison-DSN-127Eby junbug5150
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/255994-What-do-you-guys-think-of-the-DSN-127E-he-uses-the-Noob-case by fire007
This rep gets an evaluation of First Class rep good level.


A perfect candidate for a first Panerai replica (Super rep versions)

PAM 127 Fiddy
REPLICA links:
-Noob from Oct 2013
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-n-maker-11-superlumed-ultimate-edition-on-soft-tan-leather-strap/ no available
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-n-maker-11-superlumed-ultimate-edition-on-brown-genuine-croco-leather-strap/ no available
(**)http://www.ts-station.co/11747-xfpa0500-pam127-1950-black-dial-ss-le-47mm-superlume-asian-6497.html no available
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2330 no available
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=127&product_id=178 no available
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=9157 no available
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn127e01-1950-ssle-6497-p-11874.html no available

-ZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc
(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-zf-11-best-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc/
(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc/
(**)http://www.ts-station.co/16939-pa16939-pam127-e-zf-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-a6497-y-incabloc.html
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1637
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2145-pam-127-e-zf-1-1-best-edition-on-no74-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13517

-KW-V6FacZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc
(**)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/panerai/1-1-panerai-special-edition-pam-127-fiddy-1950-domed-sapphire.-best-version.from-kw/
(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc/
(**)http://www.ts-station.co/17164-pa17164-pam127-e-v6f-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-a6497-y-incabloc.html
(**)http://www.7750asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3514
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2146-pam127-e-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13648
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn127e08-ssle-p-17837.html

-KW-V6Fac version “OOR” w/ “Y” Incabloc
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13794
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn127e11-ssle-p-18076.html

-SF version 2015 w/ “Y” Incabloc
http://puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-sf-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc/

-DSN version 2015 w/ “Y” Incabloc
(*)https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/255764-Pam-127E

GEN links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRpqasq8WpU&feature=youtu.be
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_111.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials02.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2002/182-luminor-1950-pam00127
11-5



PAM140copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The gen PAM 140, introduced in 2003 F-series, has a Dial made of Carbon Fiber with a very different look to the rep dial. This rep watch, although nice, it is not at all an accurate replica.
This replica is due to its inaccuracy a Low grade rep


PAM 140
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=971
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=pam+140&x=20&y=14
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_173.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/pam-140-luminor-marina-automatic---44mm-18k-yellowrose-gold---gorgeous-carbon-fiber-dial---boxespapers-100-complete--as-new---discontinued-model--id1976380.htm?query=Panerai+pam+140+luminor+marina+automatic&dosearch=true&searchexplain=1&resultview=list&goal_suggest=1&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
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PAM152copiar.jpg

The gen PAM 152 is a Limited Edition of 100 pieces released in 2002 E-series.
In cooperation with Purdey, the gun manufacturers, Panerai have produced four special edition watches with the same hunter case as the PAM 076, but with "hunting" images engraved on the lids. The PAM 152 was one of them.
The replicas are Medium grade reps


PAM 152
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11638-xfpa3250-pam152-luminor-sealand-for-purdey-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=1000
http://www.pf-818.com/pn15201-sealand-limited-44mm-auto-free-shipping-p-2028.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_106.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials02.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2002/201-luminor-sealand-for-purdey-pam00152
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PAM156copiar.jpg

The gen PAM 156 is a Limited Edition of 300 pieces released in 2002 E-series to commemorate the Laureus Regatta of that year.
The GMT PAM 156 has a similar structure as GMT PAM 088 but the dial is marked Regatta and has Dots markers instead of Sticks. See more info and more related watches in PAM 088.
The replicas are quite good but are very surpassed by the replicas of PAM 088.
If you are looking for a GMT with Black dial and silvered contrasted seconds @9 sub-dial and you don’t want specifically a Special Edition or Regatta, the best choice is an excellent replica of PAM 088.


PAM 156
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam156-gmt-ultimate-edition/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=3366
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_103.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials02.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2002/205-luminor-gmt-regatta-2002-pam00156
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PAM161copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The GMT PAM 161 is a GMT PAM 088 version made of Full-mix Brushed Titanium and polished SS in Case-bezel and bracelet.
The rep PAM 161 has the case made of SS instead of Titanium, has Display Caseback instead of solid, and the bracelet is made of Brushed and Polished Full-SS and it has much poor quality and bad crystal. This replica is very Low grade rep and very inaccurate, it is not at all an advisable purchase.


PAM 161
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=6419
http://www.pf-818.com/pn16101-marina-ssss-asian-2813-functional-p-8807.html
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=5047
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_32.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
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PAM162-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (F-series with A7753 movement Noob 2010 & 2013 versions)
The PAM 162 is the version with Black dial and Silvered sub-dials “Panda” type of the first generation of Luminor Chrono 44mm.
This first generation of gen Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm is a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, however it uses a completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds hand, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are three first models from 2003 to 2006, they all with the same structure of brushed SS case, polished SS bezel with tachymeter and complex dial with nine numerals. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the Daylight inscription: PAM 162 Black with silvered sub-dials “Panda” type, PAM 196 plain Black Daylight and PAM 188 plain White Daylight dial.
There is also a 2005 Special Edition, PAM 224, all polished SS and nice Firenze Blue dial.
The PAM 162 was the first 44mm chronograph, released in 2003, but was relatively short-lived, only lasting a year, being supplanted in 2004 by the Daylights White dial PAM 188 and Black dial PAM 196 chronographs instead.
The PAM 162 is strangely the only Panerai Chrono 44mm with “Panda” type sub-dial configuration. The two following Daylight were originally promoted as having "Panda" type dials like the Newman Daytona, however just before shipping this decision was vetoed, and they ended up as plain black or plain white. Perhaps the “Panda” configuration is being saved for a future special edition?
The replicas F-series of PAM 162 are fitted by A7753, they have working date adjustment@10 and are First Class replicas, despite a slightly inaccurate sub-dial colour.

July2013- Noob releases a new version of this watch with A7753, for a complete review of this version in comparison with 2010 Noob version you have to read ALE PAM 162 Daylight review.

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=160200 by ALE
The new 2013 Noob version has some interesting improvements but there are also some serious worsenings added.
-Which is the best version available for PAM 162, Noob 2010 or Noob 2013?
The answer to this question depends, as many times, on personal taste.
Can you live with the more evident flaws of each version?
-If you choose Noob 2010 version you will get bad CG finish and date fonts, with inaccurate position of Date window and slightly thicker markers, inaccurate big chrono second hand, “slim” crown, a bit bigger and lighter subdials and lever with inaccurate roller
-If you choose Noob 2013 version you will get a perfect CG and lever, almost perfect date fonts and date window placement, inaccurate big chrono second hand, “slim” crown but very inaccurate and noticeable thicker markers together with bigger and lighter subdials, which makes the dial completely wrong IMO.
You must to decide with above info but the decision is not easy. Noob 2013 version with markers as thick as 2010 version and the same size of subdials would be the best of both versions, but these flaws ruin the overall accuracy of this Noob 2013 version. You should be able to live with above mentioned flaws to admit this Noob 2013 version.
EVALUATIONS
After getting the magnificent Noob PAM 356 and 326 Daylights, I got disappointed by the accuracy of both Pam 162 Noob replicas. I understand three years ago the flaws in Noob 2010 version, but nowadays I don’t understand the lack of care from Noob making such a thicker markers and bigger and lighter subdials in 2013 version.
Both studied replicas are very well manufactured and overall quality is awesome.
Considering the improvements, worsenings and remaining flaws, we can consider that Noob 2010 and 2013 versions are in the same level.
Anyway, there are many flaws in both replicas even to keep a First Class status but the great manufacture quality allows to maintain the status of First Class of low level bordering a lower status.
We must wait for new releases to get a real Super replica of PAM 162.


PAM 162
REPLICA links:
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam162-f-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-white-subdial-on-black-croc-style-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam162f-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/8139-pa4330-pam162-luminor-panerai-black-dial-ss-ss-asian-7753-28800bph.html Noob 2010
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2082&ti= Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=162&product_id=672 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6791 Noob 2010
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_47.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
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PAM164-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (N-series Noob)
Evaluation thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-evaluation-thread-116713?p=1187451
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP hig level (N-series H maker)
Evaluation thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=116714
COMPARISON: 90% voted Noob is better - 10% voted H maker is better
Comparison thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=116716
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (O-series Noob)
The PAM 164, released in 2004, try a return to the complex dials of the first Automatic 44mm models, like PAM 086 and 091, trend that was broken by the simplicity of the PAM 104.
The PAM 164 has a contrasted brushed case with polished bezel and has little numerals and dots instead of stick markers.
There are old regular replicas fitted with Asian 21J in the cheap versions and with A7750 in the best ones and in the replicas from DSN. They all are quite good reps.
The new replicas N-series from Noob and H maker are considered as First Class or Super replicas with the percentages mentioned in evaluations (Noob better than H maker, see evaluation thread above).
Numeral markers seem more withe in the Noob and more grey in the H maker, Cyclops and lume sausage is better in H maker (as usually) but the date font and Crown Guard is better in Noob.
See these posts:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1115128&postcount=9
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1115514&postcount=10
Pictorial review of Noob here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=30483 by Del
Other Noob here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=105309 by Klockis
A PAM 164 H maker here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/few-photos-164n-113806?p=1114871 by korneevy
More comments and comparisons Gen-Noob-H maker here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=112145 by Mr.RadioActive.
But there is already a final Evaluation thread (above mentioned)with a comparison between Noob and H maker version, where the clear winner is the Noob factory version: 90% voted Noob and 10% voted H maker.


May 2013-Noobreleases PAM 164 O-series. This versión gets the improvements for upgrading. Therefore evaluation as Super rep. Some discussion about here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-104-164-145784?p=1444625
Nice pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=203542 by Bozz

This watch has lovers and detractors at the same time, but can be considered as a good candidate to a first PAM replica.

PAM 164
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam164-o-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-a7750/ Noob O-series
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam164-o-11-noob-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a7750/ Noob O-series
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13873-pa13873.html Noob O-series
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13872-pa13872.html Noob O-series
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12533-pa8590b-pam164-n-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker N
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2686&ti= Noob O-series
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+164&product_id=530 Noob O-series
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=9485 Hmaker N
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn164n02-164n-ssle-a7750-p-12246.html Hmaker N
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7161 Hmaker N
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99319 DSN I
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Automatic%20Luminor%20Marina%20%20watches/New%20Born%20164%20I/ DSN I
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_15.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=739&id_categoria=35
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PAM165copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The gen PAM 165, introduced in 2003 F-series, has the case made of Ti, and the bracelet is made of Brushed Ti and Polished SS and has much better quality. This watch has an interesting dial with applied polished steel indices. This replica is very inaccurate, it is not an advisable purchase.

PAM 165
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=232
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_174.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
http://www.essential-watches.com/Panerai-PAM00165-PAM-165-MARINA-on-Bracelet-E-Series-TitaniumSteel-on-Bracelet-Black-Dial-17297
http://people.timezone.com/msandler/Panerai/luminormarinaautomatic.html
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PAM168-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The gen PAM 168 was a Unique Edition of 399 peices to commemorate the 2003 Laureus Regatta. It was a 40mm chrono award winning m
aster piece. Panerai has once again created a beautiful Luminor piece which not only any collecter would love but any diver as well. This watch is made of all-mix Brushed Titanium and polished SS in Case-bezel and bracelet, it has and electric blue dial with silver sub-dial and is magnificent.
Unfortunately the rep PAM 168 has a bracelet made of brushed-polished SS instead of the mix bracelet made of Brushed Ti and Polished SS of the gen, which has much better quality. The dial is inaccurate too. This replica is a Low grade rep and it is not an advisable purchase.


PAM 168
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_53&products_id=4603
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_113.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials03.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2003/213-luminor-chrono-regatta-2003-pam00168
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PAM170-finalcopiar.jpg

The gens PAM 170 and 106 were a bracelet variant to the submersible line, added in D-series (2002). They have SS bezel and Titanium case instead of an all-SS or all-Ti construction. The bracelet is also the Panerai 44mm standard Titanium / SS mix.
The PAM 170 is the same as PAM 106, but the 106 has brushed SS parts (bezel and SS bracelet links) instead of polished like the PAM 170.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
This replica PAM 170 is exclusive from DSN catalogue, and the body watch replica is quite good, but it has a leather strap instead of the beautiful contrasted Ti / SS mix bracelet like the gen has. Therefore we cannot consider it an accurate replica.


PAM 170
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=73874 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20%20Titanium%2044mm%20Submersile%20%20watches/Pam%20titanium%20170G/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_30.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
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PAM172-deficopiar.jpg

The gen PAM 172 Tantalum was a Special Edition from 2003 made in a limited production of 300 units, 100 a year for three years.
The gen is made of a very unique precious metal named Tantalium (with the exception of a titanium retaining ring for the sapphire crystal back). It has a deep grey with blue overtones making it rich and strong in appearance. The case has a brushed finish with a contrasting polished bezel, the black dial and blued hands make this one of the most nice and awesome Panerai watches ever produced.
Unfortunately the rep is, obviously, made of Titanium instead of Tantalium and it doesn’t have the same character and colour.
The replica of PAM 172 is a good-medium grade rep, but doesn’t get the character and personality of the gen.

October 2014-
DSN releases a rep PAM 172 F-sereis made of brushed Titanium with SS polished bezel to get a moirror finsh, fitted with nicely decorated PANERAI-PANERAI A6497 movement. The rep has an accurate shape of old model CG like gen and is better than previous version. The inaccurate material is evident since the tantalium has different colour weight and character. This rep has better accuracy , finish and lume than old reps but cannot achieve First Class rep status


PAM 172
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=199370 DSN F-series- best version available from October 2014
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam172-a6497-type-a/
http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=597
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_114.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials03.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2003/216-luminor-marina-tantalium-pam00172
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PAM176-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-series Noob)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M & N-series Noob improved like V3)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP ( P-series Noob improved V4) best option from January 2015
The PAM 176 is the same as PAM 177 but without seconds@9.
The PAM 176 is like a version full Brushed Titanium of a PAM 112
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Base used the OP I movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Base now contains the OP X movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
Threfore the gen PAM 176 released in 2004 G-series has OP X movement and Display caseback.
Both PAM 176-177 with the PAM 306 (Low grade replica) are the only PAM Luminor made of Titanium and with Sandwich dial.
Talking about Titanium gen Panerais, the PAM 176 (like the PAM 177) doesn’t have the charism, the part of legitimity and History that the PAM 036 and 040 have. But concerning replicas, the PAM 176 and 177 are the simplest and the best Titanium PAM replicas at this moment and the reps M-series from H maker are Super reps.


July 2012 -there is a M-series version from Noob evaluated as a Super rep.

Mars 2013
- about from this date, these M-series from Noob start to be improved with last improvements of last Noob case-sets (like PAM 111 V3)
and last batches are already marked as N-series. Although the catalogues are indicating M-series you could receive a marked N-series watch. Therefore, some Noob M-series rep watches from March 2013 are already V3 quality, but N-series are all V3 improved
Nice pictorial here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-just-landed-144436?p=1431359 by gianton
Nice review with complete and nice pictorial here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=181725 by kilowattore

January 2015- Noob released a rep PAM 176 P-series. This P-series (2013 year) was the last gen series, from 2103 PANEARI introduced the 8 days series with the P.5000 “Manifattura” movement.
This new series and rep was not officially announced either by maker or dealers, therefore the improvements introduced in P-series cannot be found in all produced units, since the maker and dealers were no obligated to give them. Makers are using new and old parts mixed in this P-series (mainly in first batches). Buyer should be careful with QC pics in order to know what are the version of each part they are receiving.
There are interesting improvements to be considered in this new P-series:
- Mid case Noob V4 type: with corrected lug shape, upper part of the lugs a bit more detached from the edge of the cushion shape (like gen), better finished contours of the lugs on the insertion with the midcase. IMO the best case of the new 2015 cases.
-“Slim” crown (very difficult to get in first batches)
- More accurate bevelled of the crystal
- Improved overall finish of the caseset and CP
- Crown guard even improved in relation with V3 (which was very good)
- Improved CG pin in shape and finish at the top.
- It seems that there are some nice details of improvement in the movement wuth better wheels bezel and wheel screws.
CG lever remains the same as V3 with a roller support very angled in relation to the gen. This is the next improvement to be done.
Hands are Pre-V type appropriate for P-series.
Unfortunately, as above commented, Noob is mixing old and new parts in the production of these P-series and we can get watches with new case and old crystal or “Fat“ crowns, etc.. Even is possible to get a P-sereis with V3 case.
When the Noob P-sereis production gets stabilized we will have an almost perfect rep. A true Super rep even under the strict current 2105 Standards
Anyway this P-series is the best option from January 2015
As above commented in N-series, many delaers have not changed their catalogues and are still indicating M-series, but you can receive N or P-series (M-series is most likely sold out) depending on the stock of your dealer and the production date of your watch.
More in fo here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=209113&p=2112346#post-2112346 by chris3007

WARNING REMARKS: From December 2014, Noob, H maker and KW-V6Fac introduced new casesets for Luminor Bettarini 44mm. With improved lug shape, better lug contours, better overall finish, better and nicer CGs. Noob corrected the bevelled of crystals and introduced “slim” Crowns. The main problem is that makers still have “old” parts and are mixing those “old” parts with “new” parts in the current productions.
You should be careful with QC pics in order to know what you are actually receiving.

A good candidate for a first Panerai replica, but be careful because Titanium gets easily scratched.

PAM 176
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam176-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-oem-rubber-strap/ Noob M-N-P
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam176-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-calf-leather-strap/ Noob M-N-P
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam176-m-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap/ Noob M-N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12523-xfpn176-pam176-m-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob M-N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12522-xfpn176-pam176-m-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob M-N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12405-pa7590b-pam176-m-h-factory-black-dial-ti-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+176&product_id=569 Noob P
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1063 Noob M-N
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=7602 Hmaker M
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn176m02-176m-tile-black-asian-6497-superlume-p-10145.html Hmaker M
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_6.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3067&id_categoria=33
8-5



PAM177-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M&N-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-series Noob)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N & P-series Noob) best option after P-series improved V4
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (P-series Noob improved V4) best option from January 2015 if you get it

The PAM 177 is the same as PAM 176 but with seconds@9.
The PAM 177 is like a version full Brushed Titanium of a PAM 111
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Marina used the OP II movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Marina now contains the OP XI movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
Threfore the gen PAM 177 released in 2004 G-series has OP XI movement and Display caseback.
Both PAM 176-177 with the PAM 306 (Low grade replica) are the only PAM Luminor made of Titanium and with Sandwich dial.
Talking about Titanium gen Panerais, the PAM 177 (like the PAM 176) doesn’t have the charism, the part of legitimity and History that the PAM 036 and 040 have. But concerning replicas, the PAM 176 and 177 are the simplest and the best Titanium PAM replicas at this moment. Reps M-series from H maker are Super reps.


July 2012 -there is a M-series version from Noob evaluated as a Super rep. too

Mars 2013 -there is a version N-series from Noob, seemingly with all improvements of last versions from this maker (models like Pam 111 V3), evaluated as a Super rep.
Nice review with complete and nice pictorial of a PAM 176 which is almost the same as PAM 177 (but without seconds @9 subdial) here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=181725 by kilowattore
July 2014- Noob releases a rep PAM 177 P-series. No improvements announced and by the pics actually there are not modifications, just the engravings on caseback and the Pre-V type hands appropriate for P-series.
No evaluation changes: Super rep.


Many delaers have not changed their catalogues and are still indicating N-series, but you can receive N or P-series (M-series is most likely sold out) depending on the stock of your dealer and the production date of your watch.

2015 NOTE- Since Noob introduced in January 2015 a PAM 176 P-series with some improvements, we could expect (from January 2015) the same with Noob PAM 177 P-series, but neither PAM 176 nor PAM 177 improvements were officially announced by Noob or dealers. Therefore they are not obligated to give those improvements.
Anyway is interesting to know that we could receive an impoved PAM 177 P-series with a bit of luck.
No changes in evaluation but this improved P-series would be clearly the best option available in January 2015.


WARNING REMARKS: From December 2014, Noob, H maker and KW-V6Fac introduced new casesets for Luminor Bettarini 44mm. With improved lug shape, better lug contours, better overall finish, better and nicer CGs. Noob corrected the bevelled of crystals and introduced “slim” Crowns. The main problem is that makers still have “old” parts and are mixing those “old” parts with “new” parts in the current productions.
You should be careful with QC pics in order to know what you are actually receiving.

A good candidate for a first Panerai replica, but be careful because Titanium gets easily scratched.

PAM 177
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-black-oem-rubber-strap/ Noob N-P
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-black-croco-leather-strap/ Noob N-P
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap/ Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12518-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-ru-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12517-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12521-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12403-pa7570b-pam177-n-h-factory-black-dial-ti-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker N
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12370-pa7220b-pam111-m-h-factory-black-dial-ti-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(**)http://www.2015asian.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2952 Noob N
(**)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3199 Noob P-series
(**)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=2952 Hmaker N
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+177&product_id=566 Noob P
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=111 Noob N-P
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=8701 Hmaker N
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn177n02a-tileblk-p-12133.html Hmaker N
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_9.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3068&id_categoria=34
8-5



PAM183-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (H-series Noob, other makers and DSN) ***** PLEASE READ BELOW WARNING NOTE*****
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (H maker O-series)
The PAM 183 is very similar to the Radiomir “Base” PAM 210 introduced in 2005 but with seconds@9 sub-dial and the inscription Black Seal in the dial.
PAM G-series year 2004 saw (finally!) the introduction of “Historic” Radiomir models by the launching of the PAM 183. Aimed squarely at the enthusiast and collector, they were comparatively aggressively priced.
The gen PAM 183 is a Radiomir Black Seal, it has a base sandwich black dial in a cushion shaped Radiomir SS case 45mm, with detachable wire lugs with, Display caseback and movement Panerai OP XI calibre, a modified ETA 6497/2, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.
In 2005 H-series it happens a small tweak to the design of the Black Seal, in that the word “Black Seal” moves from below the center of the watch to above the center. And the brand Panerai goes to below the center. There is also a change in decoration of movement, it changes from old PANERAI-PANERAI to modern Côtes de Geneve.
Therefore all PAM 183 from H-series onwards should have the words Radiomir-Black Seal above the center and the brand Panerai below the center and vice versa. The new movement has Côtes de Geneve decoration.
There are replicas from the regular dealers and from DSN, they all are First Class reps medium level of 2005 H-series, despite some flaws concerning lume and case shape.

WARNING: We have received in September 2012 some serious claims (from chris9) about the replica H-series from Puretime with all modds. Poor quality and bad or missing modds.. It is not a definitive downgrading just a WARNING !! Please bear in mind. I will inform when we have more info. Just be careful

April 2013- there are new replicas PAM 183 G-series with Côtes de Geneve movement but, be careful, wrong dial with "Black Seal" above the center. We cannot evaluate these replicas as First Class due to this flaw on the dial

September 2013- H maker introduces a PAM183 O-series with better lume and crystal.
Inscriptions on dial are not creamy, but almost white, and under some lighting conditions a bit greenish. Lume is very good and with greenish colour like gen under light and in darkness. You can see pics and information about thios rep in a review by chris9 here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=171551 by chris9
Some differences between rep and gen dial in below comparison review:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/210910-Radiomir-183-BS-HF-dial-vs-GEN-dial-(PICS) by Bozz
We can consider this H maker version O-series as First Class rep of medium level
Some more info here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=158935 by ehhcl3537rw
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=214491 by AP_VC

PAM 183

REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam183h-ss-black-dial-on-brown-strap-a6497/ PAM 183 H
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11616-xfpa2860-radiomir-black-seal-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497-manual-wind.html Noob H
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11617-xfpa2870-radiomir-black-seal-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497-manual-wind.html Noob H
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2868&ti= Hmaker O
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+183&product_id=828 Hmaker O
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=11172 Hmaker O
(*)http://www.trusty-wacth.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=7 PAM 183 H
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn183o01-radiomir-blackseal-ssle-black-p-14794.html Hmaker O
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn18305-183h-black-seal-series-asian-unitas-6497-p-176.html PAM 183 H
http://www.pf-818.com/pn18303-183g-black-seal-series-asian-unitas-6497-p-674.html G-series see above, dial flaw
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=98838 DSN H
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2045%20mm%20Radiomir%20watches/New%20Born%20Pam%20183H%20Black%20Seal/ DSN H
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_12.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/radiomirhistoric.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3069&id_categoria=3205

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The PAM 186 is the same as PAM 252 North Pole but has Black dial and Arktos engraved Caseback
The Arktos PAM 186 was released to commemorate the successful completion of Mike Horn's 20,000 mile circumnavigation of the Arctic Circle in the most extreme and harshest sub-zero conditions. That’s where the story ends. The Arktos story actually started with the Arktos PAM 92.
The PAM 92 was released to commemorate the start of the Arktos expedition. The Arktos Expedition ended up being accomplished in 2 phases due to rough conditions that almost caused Mike Horn to lose the use of his hands and feet permanently due to severe frostbite. He had to take a break to recuperate and during this time he asked Panerai to equip him with a new GMT watch (so he could know what time it was at home & when he called his family). When Mike Horn resumed the Arktos expedition, he was equipped by Panerai with the PAM 186 Arktos GMT.
The PAM 186 Arktos is a representation of Mike Horn’s indomitable spirit and tenacity. Even after being forced to halt the expedition due to severe sub- zero conditions and losing appendages to frostbite and against his Doctor’s orders, he was able to recuperate, refocus his determination and pick up the Arktos expedition where he left off. Mike Horn’s successful completion of the Arktos Expedition was commemorated with the release of this watch, the PAM 186 Arktos GMT. Mike Horn remains the first and only person to successfully circumnavigate the Arctic Circle.
The PAM 186 has the looks of Panerai submersible watches, but - although the gen is water resistant up to 300 meters - technically it's not a submersible. Its rotating bezel is not used to calculate submersion time but it functions as a compass aid instead. The letters N,E,S and W are on the bezel to indicate North, East, South and West. The watch can be used to find the north direction by making the hour hand point straight at the sun. Half the angle between the hour hand and the 12 o'clock index. This direction is south! You can then rotate the bezel to that position to keep track of where you're going. It's a nice function but probably more of a gadget than a useful one.
The PAM 186 has a solid steel case back with the picture of a world map engraved, with an ellipse with an arrow over the Arctic Circle (indicating the circumnavigation), the Arktos inscription and the signature of Mike Horn. The engraving refers to above mentioned Mike Horn's North Pole Winter Expedition.

Please be careful because some replicas have inaccurate caseback with different decoration engravings
The replica has a quite good quality.

PAM 186
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam186-arktos-gmt-ultimate-edition/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11630-xfpa3200-pam186-arktos-gmt-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=186&product_id=608
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=857
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1918
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_34.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
http://www.network54.com/Forum/611718/thread/1275944749/last-1276960812/FS-+Panerai+PAM+186+ARKTOS+gmt+(Doc-Ernie)
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PAM187-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (G-series with A7753 movement)
WARNING: the last batches of Noob PAM 187 from about middle 2012 have some problems . Read below
Noob BATCHES FROM MIDDLE 2012 EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP (Bordering a lower status)
The gen PAM 187 was a Unique Special Edition of 1000 pieces in 2004, one year truly prolific in these runs and especially as relates to submersibles. It is a stunning watch made of brushed SS 47mm and He valve. For the first time appears in the line Submersible the Chrono function (movement OP XII) with threaded pushers ensuring waterproof 1000 meters...a true instrument!
The reps of PAM 187 G-series come with either A7750 or A7753 movement and have an impressive replica quality. The A7750 reps have non working date adjustment @10, and you will have to do the date adjustment via crown. The A7753 have working date adjustment @10.
The only flaws of this replica seem to be: Lume in main hands is cream like markers instead of white like gen, 1000 inscription on dial is darker and the angle in the inner part of the CG which should be more pronounced. The dial markers are painted in a different way to the gen and their frame are shiny.
People usually ask if subdial markers of this watch have lume. They actually have no lume either gen or rep. Only subdial hands have lume.
Some comments about that here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=144122 by watchpt
Some huge pics of the gen here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/looking-for-some-145945?p=1447518 by ThinkBachs
The replicas fitted by A7753 (with working date adjustment @10) are Super reps. We can consider the A7750 very good quality reps or even First Class reps if you can live with the non working pusher @10 and a more sunken date whell, less quality lume…
Anyway this replica had other flaws:
-Hands lume is yellowish instead of white like gen
-Date window is placed not centered between 5 and 4 (it is closer to 5)
-Wrong colour in 1000 inscription on dial
-Inner angled shape in CG is not as pronounced as gen, mainly in first batches
-Some issues in pusher for changing date
This replica has experienced some changes in its evolution to try fixing above flaws, hand lume and 1000 colour are not yet solved and inner angled shape is almost enterely correct.
According to Joshua of Perfect Clones (who was the gen donor in this case, in times he was in quite good contacts with Noob) Polonus says there were three sub-version of this watch:
- The first one, as released - with date too close to "5" and problems with date change pushed and wrong shape of CG
- The second, with corrected CG shape and first attempts to solve date pusher problem
- The third, where they shifted date window to make it almost in the center between "4" and "5" and made date pusher more secure and got more clear sapphire

WARNING: from about middle 2012 the last batches of replicas from Noob have some additional issues, consisting in non recessed suddials and other flaws.
To get more info about that go to the fantastic Review made by PolonusTM:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=157814
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=213895
This review is the conclusion after some threads by Polonus about this matter:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=156950
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=213433
Then we have several issues in last batches:
- Wrong lume in hands, creamish instead of almost white
- 1000 inscription on dial is darker
- The angle in the inner part of the CG which should be more pronounced.
- Wrong painting process of dial markers frame (read review)
- Wrong flat subdials
- Some differences in date wheel between units
Due to these last problems, the Noob PAM 187 replicas from middle 2012 have to be downgraded to First Class replicas bordering a lower status. These replicas keep such a status because of their great quality of construction.
The PAM 187 is very big and has a very Sub style but it can be considered like good candidate for a first Panerai replica.
See good pictorial here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=39863 by sardonix
Another nice pictorial here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/296554-The-beauty-of-the-beast by DocThor

PAM 187
REPLICA links:
BEAR IN MIND WARNING OBSERVATIONS
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam187-g-submersible-chronograph-11-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap-a7753/ Noob 7753
http://www.puretime-asi.com/product/pam243-m-noob-maker-11-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap-v2-a7750/ Noob 7750
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11149-pa7500xf-pam187-1000m-submersible-chrono-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html Noob 7753
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2206&ti= Noob 7753
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+187&product_id=86 Noob 7753
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1224 Noob 7753
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=7763 Noob 7753
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=110&products_id=708 Noob 7750
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn187g01-submersible-chrono-ssru-a7753-p-10436.html Noob 7753
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_117.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials04.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3085&id_categoria=3084
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PAM188-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower grade (Noob H-series A7753 2010 version)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium–good level (Noob & H maker I-series A7753 2013 versions)
The PAM 188 is the plain White dial version of the first generation of Luminor Chrono 44mm.
This first generation of gen Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm is a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, it conserves the square type chrono pushers, but it uses a completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds had, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are three first models from 2003 and 2004, they all with the same structure of brushed SS case, polished SS bezel with tachymeter and complex dial with nine numerals. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the Daylight inscription: PAM 162 Black with silvered sub-dials “Panda”type, PAM 196 plain Black Daylight and PAM 188 plain White Daylight dial.
There is also a 2005 Special Edition, PAM 224, all polished SS and nice Firenze Blue dial.
The PAM 162 was the first 44mm chronograph, released in 2003, but was relatively short-lived, only lasting a year, being supplanted in 2004 by the Daylights White dial PAM 188 and Black dial PAM 196 chronographs instead.
The PAM 162 is strangely the only Panerai Chrono 44mm with “Panda” type sub-dial configuration. The two following Daylight were originally promoted as having "Panda" type dials like the Newman Daytona, however just before shipping this decision was vetoed, and they ended up as plain black or plain white. Perhaps the “Panda” configuration is being saved for a future special edition?

From about 2007
there are replicas of Daylights with some evolutions (with A7750 and even A7753) until the release of a good series from Noob in 2010 H-series fitted with A7753 and featuring a working date change pusher @10. These replicas had no correct position of DW and change of date started about two hours before midnight.

July 2013-
Noob and H maker release a new generation of Daylight replicas I-series, fitted with an improved A7753, with completely improved DW position (almost the same as gen), working date change pusher @10 but again starting the date change about half past 10 hrs.
These replicas 2013 versions have several improvements over the Noob 2010 but they have also little worsenings.
To know about these improvements and worsenings, pros and cons of both versions you should consul a complete comparison review of both Noob versions and H maker PAM 188 by ALE.

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam-daylight-158098?t=158098 by ALE
In this review you can read the differences between Three versions and the flaws in comparison to the gen, and to see that the new versions are better than Noob 2010 version, although there are also some worsenings added.
-Which is the best version available for PAM 188, H maker or Noob 2013?
The answer to this question depends, as many times, on personal taste.
Can you live with the more evident flaws of each version?
-If you choose Noob 2103 you will get perfect CG finish and date fonts, but overall thinner markers noticeable throughout the dial, inaccurate big chrono second hand and “slim” crown
-If you choose H maker you will get more accurate dial, but completely wrong date fonts, way worse CG finish with overpolished and rounded edges, thinner CG and inaccurate position of CG and chrono pushers.
You have to decide with above info
Regarding evaluations, bear in mind that the analysis of this review is very detailed and with many enlargements of the FIGURES, many flaws above mentioned, although existent, are many times few noticeable and by side by side comparisons.
Three studied replicas are very well manufactured and overall quality is awesome.
Considering the improvements and remaining flaws, we can consider that H maker and Noob 2013 are in the same level, with a slight advantage of H maker due to the big Noob flaw of thinner markers, although the bad CG finish of H maker is very disappointing. Noob 2010 is in a lower level.
There are many flaws in three replicas to get a Super rep status (although the solid caseback) but the great manufacture quality gives them the First Class status
We can say that Noob 2010 H-series version is a First Class replica of low level and H maker and Noob 2013 I-series are First Class replicas of medium-high level
We must wait for new releases to get a real Super replica of PAM 188.


PAM 188
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam188-i-luminer-daylight-ultimate-white-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7753/ Noob I-series A7753 2013
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam188-i-luminer-daylight-ultimate-white-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob I-series A7753 2013 (*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam188h-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob H-series A7753 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11639-xfpa3260-pam188-luminor-daylight-chrono-white-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html WARNING- Be careful these watches are sold as Noob I-series 2013 but pics are from Noob H-series 2010 !!
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14434-pa14434-pam188-i-luminor-chrono-daylight-white-ss-lt-noobfactory-best-a7753.html Noob I-series A7753 2013
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13749-pa13749.html H maker I-series A7753 2013
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2030 Noob H-series A7753 2010
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+188&product_id=858 Noob I-series A7753 2013
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6749 Noob H-series A7753 2010
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=10721 H maker I-series A7753 2013
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn188i02-daylight-ssle-white-asian-7753-p-18127.html H maker I-series A7753 2013
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_45.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
8-5



PAM193copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The gen PAM 193, introduced in 2007 J-series, is the first watch by Panerai to incorporate a mechanical instrument into its design. This watch of 47mm features an automatic movement and an independent mechanical depth gauge that is powered by a lithium battery. The depth gauge on this Panerai has been individually tested by the Swiss Federal Office for Meterology (METAS) for extreme accuracy. The depth gauge is so cool it even has a memory function to retain the max depth of your previous dive. The huge 47mm case is made of Titanium and the dial is a Tritium dial. The gen PAM 193 is a limited edition with only 600 units.
Unfortunately the rep PAM 193 doesn’t have, obviously, this nice and interesting function. It is a beautiful watch but not an advisable replica.
Some info and pics here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=53615 by rickyrosey
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=18644 by Del
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=53615by rickyrosey
PAM 193
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam193-i-depth-guage-submersible-titanium-a2813/
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2116&ti=
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+193&product_id=565
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=9349
http://www.pf-818.com/pn19302-deepgauage-tuna-tiru-black-p-12082.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Professional_87.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/pam-193-i---submersible-depth-gauge---47mm-titanium-case---boxespapers-100-complete---purchased-new-jan-2012--rarely-if-ever-worn--id1957037.htm?query=Panerai+pam+193+i+submersible+depth&dosearch=true&searchexplain=1&resultview=list&goal_suggest=1&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
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PAM194-deficopiar.jpg

The gen PAM 194 was a Unique Special Edition of 1000 pieces in 2004, one year truly prolific in these runs and especially as relates to submersibles. It is a stunning watch with case made of brushed Titanium of 47mm, brushed SS bezel and He valve. For the first time appears in the line Submersible a feature ensuring waterproof to 2500m. It is like a non chrono version of the PAM 187 but with Titanium case
The rep PAM 194 comes with either A7750 or A21J movement, this last movement in cheap and low grade replicas.
The reps of PAM 194 have the case made of SS instead of Titanium like the gen and don’t have a very good quality. It is aMedium grade rep, and is not an advisable purchase, because if you are looking for a big PAM Submersible with 1950 case of 47mm, it would be better going to the PAM 187 or to PAM 305.


PAM 194
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1025
http://www.tswatchltd.com/6083-pa0271-panerai-luminor-submersible-2500-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.tswatchltd.com/10700-pa2800-luminor-submersible-2500-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-21j-automatic.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_118.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials04.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2004/233-luminor-submersible-2500-m-pam00194
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PAM195-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (DSN models)
The PAM 195 is like a PVD coated version of a PAM 005. See more related watches in PAM 005.
The gen PAM 195 was a Unique Edition of 200 Pieces made in 2003 for the members of Paneristi.com. Potentially the most contentious special edition ever, the PAM 195 was concieved as a "collectors only" watch. Basically a standard Luminor Marina, the watch also sports the original OP logo on the dial, and a PVD case. What makes the watch unique is that the name of each (original) buyer is engraved on the caseback. This watch has a beautiful dark grey pencil lead PVD colour.
The OP Logo is made up of the letters O and P which of course stand for Officine and Panerai. There are also two arrows in the logo - one pointing up and one pointing down-. These refer to the fact that Panerai was a specialist in manufacturing underwater products and landing aid systems. The down arrow referred to the under water (diving) products, the up arrow referred to the other tools.
The high price and collectible pre-Vendome 5218-201/A, 5218-209/A and PAM 000-005-318-195-360-380-424 are the only available Panerai watches with the legend OP Logo.


There are replicas from regular dealers and from DSN. This last version rep from DSN has even three types of engraved names in caseback. DSN are First class reps of low level. Other models have inaccurate PVD colour and some other flaws.

PAM 195
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam195-se-a6497-on-brown-leather-strap/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam195-se-a6497-on-black-leather-strap/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11854-pa0380fo-pam195-lumin-marina-black-dial-pvd-lt-asian-6497.html
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11853-pa0370fo-pam195-lumin-marina-black-dial-pvd-lt-asian-6497.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=5524
Above link from TT has wrong conventional caseback engraving (without name)
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=87456 DSN model
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam 44mm steel luminor watches/Pam pvd 195/ DSN model
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_227.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials03.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3104&id_categoria=48
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PAM196-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower grade (Noob H-series 2010 version)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium–good level (Noob & H maker I-series 2013 versions)
The PAM 196 is the plain Black dial version of the first generation of Luminor Chrono 44mm.
This first generation of gen Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm is a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, it conserves the square type chrono pushers, but it uses a completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds had, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are three first models from 2003 and 2004, they all with the same structure of brushed SS case, polished SS bezel with tachymeter and complex dial with nine numerals. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the Daylight inscription: PAM 162 Black with silvered sub-dials “Panda”type, PAM 196 plain Black Daylight and PAM 188 plain White Daylight dial.
There is also a 2005 Special Edition, PAM 224, all polished SS and nice Firenze Blue dial.
The PAM 162 was the first 44mm chronograph, released in 2003, but was relatively short-lived, only lasting a year, being supplanted in 2004 by the Daylights White dial PAM 188 and Black dial PAM 196 chronographs instead.
The PAM 162 is strangely the only Panerai Chrono 44mm with “Panda” type sub-dial configuration. The two following Daylight were originally promoted as having "Panda" type dials like the Newman Daytona, however just before shipping this decision was vetoed, and they ended up as plain black or plain white. Perhaps the “Panda” configuration is being saved for a future special edition?

From about 2007 -
there are replicas of Daylights with some evolutions (with A7750 and even A7753) until the release of a good series from Noob in 2010 H-series fitted with A7753 and featuring a working date change pusher @10. These replicas had no correct position of DW and change of date started about two hours before midnight.



July 2013- Noob and H maker release a new generation of Daylight replicas I-series, fitted with an improved A7753, with completely improved DW position (almost the same as gen), working date change pusher @10 but again starting the date change about half past 10 hrs.
These replicas 2013 versions have several improvements over the Noob 2010 but they have also little worsenings.
To know about these improvements and worsenings, pros and cons of both versions you should consul a complete comparison review of both Noob versions and H maker PAM 196 by ALE.

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=156764&p=1569575#post-1569575 by ALE
In this review you can read the differences between Three versions and the flaws in comparison to the gen, and to see that the new versions are better than Noob 2010 version, although there are also some worsenings added.
-Which is the best version available for PAM 196, H maker or Noob 2013?
The answer to this question depends, as many times, on personal taste.
Can you live with the more evident flaws of each version?
-If you choose Noob 2103 you will get perfect CG finish and date fonts, but overall thicker markers noticeable throughout the dial, inaccurate big chrono second hand and “slim” crown
-If you choose H maker you will get more accurate dial, but completely wrong date fonts, way worse CG finish with overpolished and rounded edges, thinner CG and inaccurate position of CG and chrono pushers.
You have to decide with above info
Regarding evaluations, bear in mind that the analysis of the review is very detailed and with many enlargements of the FIGURES, many flaws above mentioned, although existent, are many times few noticeable and by side by side comparisons.
Three studied replicas are very well manufactured and overall quality is awesome. Considering the improvements and remaining flaws, we can consider that H maker and Noob 2013 are in the same level, with a slight advantage of H maker due to the big Noob flaw of thicker markers, although the bad CG finish of H maker is very disappointing. Noob 2010 is in a lower level.
There are many flaws in three replicas to get a Super rep status (although the solid caseback) but the great manufacture quality gives them the First Class status .
We can say that Noob 2010 H-series version is a First Class replica of low level and H maker and Noob 2013 I-series are First Class replicas of medium-high level
We must wait for new releases to get a real Super replica of PAM 196.
Good pictorial here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=100463 by Gazzla
PAM 196
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam196-i-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam196-i-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam196-i-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-on-bracelet-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam196h-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14433-pa14433-pam196-i-luminor-chrono-daylight-black-ss-lt-noobfactory-best-a7753.html Noob 2013
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/10619-pa1980-pam196-daylight-luminor-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html Noob 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13751-pa13751.html H maker 2103
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2081&ti= Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+196&product_id=857 Noob 2013
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+196&product_id=737 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+196&product_id=797 Hmaker 2013
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=10724 H maker 2103
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn196i02-daylight-ssle-black-asian-7753-p-13720.html H maker 2103
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_46.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/pam-196-chronograph-black-dial-polished-bezel--id1874851.htm?query=Panerai+pam+196+chronograph+bl ack&dosearch=true&searchexplain=true&resultview=li st&goal_suggest=1&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=623112&rid=0
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=6463337&rid=0
http://www.network54.com/Forum/642233/thread/1277101360/Panerai+chrono+face+to+face+while+in+Vancouver.... a+WIS+moment
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PAM199-deficopiar.jpg

The PAM 199 is very similar to PAM 024 but has a nice Woven textured dial. The gen PAM 199 was a Unique Special Edition of 500 pieces to commemorate the “Regatta” Laureus Sports Awards 2004.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
If you are looking for a Panerai Submersible with Textured dial it is better going to a PAM 025 from DSN, or better avoid the textured dial and go to the excellent PAM 243.


PAM 199
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam199-submersible-ultimate-edition/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1319
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_119.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials04.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2004/238-luminor-submersible-regatta-pam00199
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PAM203copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The PAM 203 is similar to a version Brown dial and Power Reserve with logo “8Giorni-Brevettato” of a PAM 127 Fiddy. The gen PAM 203 is fitted with a beautiful movement Angelus SF240. This watch is a Unique Edition of 150 pieces in 2005 H-series.
Replicas of PAM 203 are fitted with a Manual A6497 decorated like an Angelus Type, but it is very inaccurate and the watch has Display caseback which denounces the flaws of the movement. It is a Low grade replica. If you are looking for a manual winding Panerai in 1950 brushed case and polished bezel with display caseback the best choice is the PAM 127 Fiddy from Noob.


PAM 203
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=470
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=628
http://www.pf-818.com/pn20301-1950-days-p-549.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_130.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials05.html
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PAM210copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high levell (H maker N-series 2013 versions)
The PAM 210 made of SS is identical to the gen PAM 231 but this last watch is made of solid Rose Gold.
This watch is also very similar to the Radiomir “Black Seal” PAM 183 introduced in 2004 but without seconds@9 sub-dial and without the inscription Black Seal in the dial.
The gen PAM210 was introduced in 2005 (1500 units in the H-series) and it is still in production. Aimed squarely at the enthusiast and collector, this model definitely shows Panerai's link to the “Historic” Radiomir models and military roots, as it does resemble the vintage Radiomirs and the PAM 021. The 021 was the first Radiomir watch that Panerai created for the general public. The 210 may very well be the closest you can get to Panerai's sprit in this price range.
The gen PAM 210 is one of the more affordable Panerai Radiomir models. The watch has a base sandwich black dial in a cushion shaped Radiomir SS case 45mm, with detachable wire lugs with, Display caseback and movement Panerai OPX calibre, a modified ETA 6497, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.
"Base" is the Panerai term used to describe watches that have only an hour and a minute hand without any further complications. Its strength lies in its legibility and in its simple design.


In 2012 there were replicas Low-Medium grade from the regular dealers and a quite good from DSN.

September 2013- Hmaker introduces a PAM 210 N-series with better lume and crystal and otherimprovements. We can consider it a First Class rep of high level
Good pictorial review here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=214491&p=2336862&viewfull=1#post2 336862 by Carrera906
A mini-review of this replica in the same thread:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=214491&p=2337310&viewfull=1#post2337310 by Carrera906
Following Carrera observations:
- The writing on the dial is not quite thick enough and the dial cut outs perhaps not quite deep enough (both common traits on H-fac historic series Pams).
- The uncharged lume on the hands is lighter than on the dial (sometimes see this in gen photos though), so they don't quite match perfectly. Likewise, when the lume is charged, the hands are a little bit weaker than the dial. Neither of these things really show up in the pictures.
- The case corners are probably not quite as sharp/pointed as the gen, but there's not a lot in it.
- Caseback, case and crown engravings appear good.
- CP could be tidied up.
- Bezel and crystal are up to standard and Rads are nice in having a slightly domed crystal.
- Crown screws down well on my example, with no big gap between the crown and tube. It's a bit gritty feeling though and I expect, easy to cross thread.

-Winding the watch is very positive and secure feeling, with a strong spring action on mine . Timekeeping seems very good, so far.
- Strap screws are OK and shouldn't come loose, but I think you just need to exercise a little care when tightening up.
More info here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=158935 by ehhcl3537rwi
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=159099 by deadagleb
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=214491by AP_VC
Overall, I'm very pleased with it. It's perhaps not quite up to the Super-rep standard of a Noob 111/112, but nonetheless, still very, very good and let's face it, this and the 183 are now the best 'historic' series Radiomirs available that aren't the 292.
Above said confirm evaluation.



September 2014- JFac released a PAM 210 K-series. Seeing the quality this is IMO an unnecessary version because it add nothing over the existent H maker. Crystal seems very raised and cushion shape corners are completely squared.
More info here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=195553 by Nick1980
Evaluation of just a Good replica no more


PAM 210
REPLICA links:
http://pure-time.com/product/pam210-k-radiomir-jf-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a6497/ JFac K-series
http://www.tswatchltd.com/15824-pa15824-pam210-k-jf-black-dial-ss-lt-a6497.html JFac K-series
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13723-ra13723.html 210 K-series
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+210&product_id=835 H maker N-series
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1120 210 G-series
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&produ cts_id=11174 H maker N-series
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn210n01-radiomir-base-ssle-black-a6497-p-14793.html%20H%20maker%20N-series H maker N-series
http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/dsnwatches/library/Pam%2045%20mm%20Radiomir%20watches/New%20Born%20Pam%20210H?sort=3&page=1
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_10.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/radiomirhistoric.html
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/search?q=pam210
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PAM212-finalcopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (I & J-series H maker) (with some restrictions due to inaccurate movement, see comments)
The PAM 212 is like a PAM 253 but with flat surface dial
The PAM 212 is similar to a PAM 213 but “Flyback” instead of “Rattrapante”
In 2005 H–series Panerai released above mentioned PAM 212 and 213 upscale chronographs, with fine movements OP XIX in a Luminor 1950 case.
A “Flyback” chronograph can work like a regular chronograph, starting-stopping with the pusher @2 and returning to zero pressing the pusher @4 after stopping with pusher @2.
But this type of chronograph has also this special “Flyback” function, also known as the “retour en vol” or Taylor function, which is very simple to operate. The “Flyback” function is used while the chronograph is running (without stopping by pressing the pusher @2) pressing the return to zero pusher @4, immediately returns the large blued centre hand to zero (we repeat: without having to stop it first) and the hand instantly starts again when the button is released. See Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G8CXrY0rz0&feature=related
The gen PAM 212 features this special technical function by means of the Panerai calibre OP XIX, an automatic movement with a column wheel system controlling the chronograph functions.
The appearance of the “Flyback” function was catalyzed by the first watch with a separate chronograph button (the stop and reset functions were previously controlled by the winding-crown). This watch appeared in 1923 and was developed by
Breitling.
The chronographs have afterwards gained the form which they retained until today. In 1934 the Breitling chronographs received the second chronograph button with the function of returning the seconds hand to zero. Thus it became possible to measure short intervals of time using the add function. However the patent of the “Flyback” chronograph belongs to Longines with its first “Flyback” chronograph dating back to 1936.
This “Flyback” complication is impossible to get by the replicas and, therefore, they have False “Flyback” function. Moreover, the Display caseback denounces an, obviously, inaccurate movement. Since the best versions of these replicas, I-series (mineral crystal) and better J-series (sapphire crystal) from H maker, have an impressive construction quality, we have classified them as First Class reps bordering lower status, but if we cannot live with such a flaws we should consider them as only very good reps. Following the below review from Polonus these replicas have thinner fonts in dial inscriptions and a very good crystal but maybe not sapphire quality like the gen.
Be careful because I-series H maker and some J-series too, have rotor wrong engraved jewels OPXVIII instead of 30 jewels OPXIX
Review of PAM 212 J-series from H maker here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=118821&p=1166210%20#post-1166210 by PolonusTM


Sept-2012- It was released a PAM 212 rep fitted with Seagull ST19 movement. As usually with this movement, the quality of the watch is good but tthe replica is awful, completely worng position of pushers, overall wrong dial (all different). It is not at all a recomendable purchase.

PAM 212
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam212-j-black-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7750/ Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam212i-luminor-flyback-chrono-1950-ultimate-edition-on-custom-dark-brown-leathe-strap/ Hmaker I
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam212i-luminor-flyback-chrono-1951-ultimate-edition/ Hmaker I
(Low grade replica- but good watch) http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam212-luminor-flyback-chrono-1950-on-black-leather-strap-st19/ Version ST-19 no advisable.
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12401-pa7550b-pam212-j-h-factory-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12397-pa7510b-pam212-j-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2092&ti= Hmaker I
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2098&ti= Hmaker I
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+212&product_id=545 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1110 Hmaker I
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=10562 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=9399 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=9398 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn212j01-212j-1950-flyback-p-12139.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn212j02-212j-1950-flyback-p-12141.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7140 Hmaker J
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_50.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/luminor1950chrono.html
**



PAM213copiar.jpg

The PAM 213 is like a PAM 286 but with flat surface dial (PAM 286 has marked with blue the previous five minutes before the starting of the Regatta in the minute counter)
The PAM 213 is similar to a PAM 212 but “Rattrapante” instead of “Flyback”
In 2005 H–series Panerai released above mentioned PAM 213 and 212 upscale chronographs, with fine movements in a Luminor 1950 case.
A "Rattrapante","split seconds","double chronograph” or “doppelchrono” has two seconds hands, one hand is superimposed over the other. When you start the chrono, by pressing pusher @2, both hands start together, but when they are running, if you press the “Rattrapante” pusher @8, you stop the lower second hand, while the other continues running. If you push again the pusher @8 the lower hand catches up the hand which is running and they continue together again, if you push another time the lower hand stops again and the upper continues running, and so every time you repeat the pushing. See Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUSvi1oOaZg&feature=related
The gen PAM 213 features this special technical function by means of the Panerai calibre OP XVIII, an automatic movement with a double column wheel system controlling the chronograph functions.
This “Rattrapante” complication is impossible to get by the replicas and threfore they have False “Rattrapante” function and even a completely false pusher @8. Moreover, the Display caseback denounces an, obviously, inaccurate movement, even more inaccurate than in the case of the “Flyback”. Due to the best versions of these replicas, I-series from H maker, have an impressive construction quality, we must to classify them as very good reps, but if you cannot live with such a flaws we should consider them as only good reps.


PAM 213
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam213i-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap/ Hmaker I
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam213i-ultimate-edition-on-custom-dark-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker I
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12400-pa7540b-pam213-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker I
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12396-pa7500b-pam213-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker I
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+213&product_id=556 Hmaker I
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7219 Hmaker I
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7218 Hmaker I
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn213i02-213i-1950-split-chrono-ssru-28800-p-9711.html Hmaker I
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn213i03-213i-1950-split-chrono-ssny-28800-p-13449.html Hmaker I
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6201 Hmaker I
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_51.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/luminor1950chrono.html
**



PAM214copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: See comments
The PAM 214 is similar to PAM 288 but it is, moreover, a Rattrapante Chrono and has Display caseback instead of Solid caseback like the PAM 288.
The gen PAM 214 started in 2005 H-series, hopefully heralds a line of regular production chronographs in Radiomir cases, this combination of case and complications having previously been confined to special editions. The gen PAM 214 is a Ratrappante Chrono, using the same movement OP XVIII as the new 1950 Rattrapante Chronos, an automatic movement with a double column wheel system controlling the chronograph functions.
A "Rattrapante","split seconds","double chronograph” or “doppelchrono” has two seconds hands, one hand is superimposed over the other. When you start the chrono, by pressing pusher @2, both hands start together, but when they are running, if you press the “Rattrapante” pusher @8, you stop the lower second hand, while the other continues running. If you push again the pusher @8 the lower hand catches up the hand which is running and they continue together again, if you push another time the lower hand stops again and the upper continues running, and so every time you repeat the pushing. See Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUSvi1oOaZg&feature=related
Obviously the rep PAM 214 doesn’t have the Rattrapante function due to it fits a conventional A7750 movement, so the rattrapante function pusher @8 is only decorative. This is the main problem of PAM 214 replicas. Concerning construction the rep PAM 214 would be a First Class or even a Super rep like the PAM 288, but due to its false Rattrapante function and Display caseback which denounces a very inaccurate movement we must consider it just a very good rep. As you can see by the rep links there are new improved versions but quite more expensive and with the same movement flaws, up to you.
If you can live with this inaccuracy the PAM 214 could be a good choice. But, anyway, if you are looking for a Radiomir Chrono the best choice would be the Super rep PAM 288 with solid caseback.


PAM 214
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam214h-ultimate-edition-on-genuine-caiman-crocodile-leather-strap/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam214h-ultimate-edition-on-calf-leather-strap/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12398-pa7520b-pam214-h-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.tswatchltd.com/7565-pam214h-panerai-radiomir-rattrapante-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2105&ti=
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=7136
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=8585
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn214h01-214h-radiomir-split-chrono-ssle-a7750-p-9605.html
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn214i01-214i-radiomir-split-chrono-p-11231.html
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6620
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6618
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_53.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/radiomirchrono.html
**



PAM217-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (Last generation Noob from 2012)
The PAM 217 is the Destro version of the PAM 127 CG on the Right (but 127 has on the dial Luminor Marina instead of Marina Militare like the 217)
Like the gen PAM 127 1950 “Fiddy” the PAM 217 is a homage to the vintage “6152/1” released in 2005 H-series in a Limited Edition of 1000 pieces.
This watch has a very large 47 mm stainless steel case with a black Sandwich Luminova dial with the Panerai and Marina Militare inscriptions. It has gold hands and a gold sub second hand that are just stunning against the black background. It has a Display caseback showing off its OPXI movement which looks similar in design to the vintage Rolex pocket watch movement that these pieces housed.
This gen watch continues to get harder and harder to get as resale prices steadily climb.
Fortunately the last generation (from the end of 2011- beginning 2012) of reps Noob factory are nice Super reps.

YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE: this replica PAM 217 is very similar to PAM 127. All the crystal issues for PAM 127 are valid for PAM 217. Therefore I recommend you read the Data about PAM 127, bearing in mind that they are the same for PAM 217 !!!
MODIFICATIONS: Almost all modifications and improvements applied to PAM 127 are valid for PAM 217. Please bear it in mind, reading the possibilities for PAM 127.
To see a very good mod work in this watch read below link of a goin6633 job:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/modified-pam217-131380?p=1290788by goin6633
A perfect candidate for a first Panerai replica


PAM 217
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam217-h-n-maker-11-superlumed-ultimate-edition-on-black-calfskin-leather-strap/ Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12178-xfpa0501-pam217-marina-militare-black-dial-ss-lt-47mm-superlume-noobfactory-best-asian-6497.html Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2329&ti= Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+217&product_id=179 Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=9158 Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn217h01-lefty-ssle-6497-p-11875.html Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7047 Noob 2012->
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_133.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials05.html
**




PAM219copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (M & L -series from H maker)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (M & L -series from Noob)
The PAM 219 is the Destro version of PAM 112. See more related watches in PAM 112.
This gen watch was released in 2005 and, therefore, comes with OP X movement. It is the first Luminor Base Destro
There are quite a few people that are not left-handed, but that still buy and wear destro watches. Perhaps because of the unique design, and look and feel. Or perhaps it is their rarity that makes these models more collectible for some. Destros can of course be worn on either wrist.


There are good replicas L-series from DSN, and L & M-series from Noob and H maker
H maker L & M are replicas First Class high level level with low beat movement
Noob L & M are replicas with high beat movement, with better case than H maker and evaluated as First Class bordering Super rep status.


PAM 219
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam219-m-noob-maker-best-edition-on-rubber-strap-correct-destro-movement-engraving/
Noob M
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam219-m-noob-maker-best-edition-on-brown-calf-strap-correct-destro-movement-engraving/ Noob M
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam219l-11-ultimate-edition-on-custom-dark-brown-leathe-strap/ Hmaker L
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12141-xfpa5710-pam219-lefty-luminor-black-dial-ss-ru-noobfactory-asian-6497.html Noob M
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12143-xfpa5730-pam219-lefty-luminor-black-dial-ss-lt-noobfactory-asian-6497.html Noob M
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12407-pa7500b-pam219-m-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2106&ti= Hmaker L
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+219&product_id=512 Noob M
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=8702 Noob M
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=8703 Noob M
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=8859 Hmaker M
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn318l11-ssru-6497-p-11570.html Noob L
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn318l12-ssle-6497lk-p-11565.html Noob L
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn318l02-brooklyn-bridge-ssle-black-asian-p-9753.html Hmaker L
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/Pam%20219L/ DSN L
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_2.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/basedestro.html
Above paneristi.com link makes a mistake because indicates Brown dial instead of Black.
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=4844&id_categoria=33
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The PAM 220 is the same as PAM 104 but with Brushed case and SS bracelet. See more related watches in PAM 104.
The gen PAM 220 was introduced in 2005 H-series
Really the rep from Trusty Time seems having polished case and maybe it is a PAM 104 body watch with a bracelet. Anyway this is not an accurate replica and it is not an advisable purchase. If you are looking for an automatic Luminor PAM 220 the best solution is to avoid the bracelet and buy a PAM 104.


PAM 220
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=89
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_18.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
Above paneristi.com link makes a mistake indicating polished case (see gen pics of other links)
http://www.blowers-jewellers.co.uk/images2/watch_images_pages/watches4_panerai_patek_vc_zenith_pages/panerai_pam_220.htm
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The PAM 222 is a variation of the PAM 090 but all-brushed, with Dot markers instead of Stick markers and a decorated Hobnail textured dial.
The gen PAM 222 was a Unique Edition of 500 Watches to celebrate the Panerai Classic “Regatta” Yachts Challenge 2005.
The Power Reserve line started with the PAM 027-028 and 057 having big central second hand and PR indicator @6. The PR line underwent a fairly radical design change from the 2001 D-series with the models PAM 090 and 093. The seconds hand is now a small-seconds @9 and the power reserve indicator is now @4. The movement changed from Soprod type to a modified Valjoux OP IX.
There are relatively cheap PAM 222 replicas fitted with A21J and functional PR. And there are very good reps H-series from H maker fitted with A7750 movements but non functional PR (bear in mind this lack of PR function in case it is important for you)


PAM 222
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12412-pa7550b-pam222-h-h-factory-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-7750.html H maker H A7750
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12413-pa7560b-pam222-h-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750.html H maker H A7750
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=1328&ti= 21J
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&products_id=9110 H maker H A7750
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&products_id=707ç 21J
http://www.pf-818.com/pn222h01-222h-ssru-a7750-p-11826.html H maker H A7750
http://www.pf-818.com/pn22201-regetta-power-reserve-functional-p-1404.html 21J
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_134.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials05.html
This paneristi link makes a mistake indicating the case is made of Titanium, because the case is actually made of SS.
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=4946&id_categoria=4724
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP Low level (Noob H-series 2013 version)
The PAM 224 is a 2005 Unique Edition of 100 watches for the Florence Boutique with similar structure to the first generation of Luminor Chrono 44mm ( PAM 162-188-196) but all-Polished SS and nice Firenze Blue dial.
This first generation of gen Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm is a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, however it uses a completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds had, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.

The replicas of PAM 224 are fitted by A7753, they have working date adjustment@10 and are good replicas. There are three first models from 2003 and 2004, they all with the same structure of brushed SS case, polished SS bezel with tachymeter and complex dial with nine numerals. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the Daylight inscription: PAM 162 Black with silvered sub-dials “Panda”type, PAM 196 plain Black Daylight and PAM 188 plain White Daylight dial.
The PAM 162 was the first 44mm chronograph, released in 2003, but was relatively short-lived, only lasting a year, being supplanted in 2004 by the Daylights White dial PAM 188 and Black dial PAM 196 chronographs instead.
The PAM 162 is strangely the only Panerai Chrono 44mm with “Panda” type sub-dial configuration. The two following Daylight were originally promoted as having "Panda" type dials like the Newman Daytona, however just before shipping this decision was vetoed, and they ended up as plain black or plain white. Perhaps the “Panda” configuration is being saved for a future special edition?
PAM 224 is a 2005 Special Edition, all polished SS and nice Firenze Blue dial.

From about 2007
there are replicas of Daylights with some evolutions (with A7750 and even A7753) until the release of a good series from Noob in 2010 H-series fitted with A7753 and featuring a working date change pusher @10. These replicas had no correct position of DW and change of date started about two hours before midnight.


July 2013-
Noob release a new generation of Daylight replicas, fitted with an improved A7753, with completely improved DW position (almost the same as gen), working date change pusher @10 but again starting the date change about half past 10 hrs.
These replicas 2013 versions have several improvements over the Noob 2010 but they have also little worsenings.
To know about these improvements and worsenings, pros and cons of both versions you should consult a complete comparison review of both Noob versions and H maker PAM 196 by ALE. This is a review for PAM 196 but it is similar for PAM 224

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=156764&p=1569575#post-15695755 by ALE
In this review you can read the differences between Noob versions and the flaws in comparison to the gen, and to see that the new versions are better than Noob 2010 version, although there are also some worsenings added.
Curiously PAM 224 reps from 2010 and 2013 have almost accurate thickness of big markers, unlike versions of PAM 196.

Noob 2013 gets perfect CG finish and perfect Date window placement with accurate date fonts.
The rest of flaws of PAM 196 which you can see in above mentioned review are present in both Noob versions. Only the CG of PAM 224 are more accurate because H-series had a thinner, CG like gen
But we have to add the inaccuracy of blue colour and nice nuances of gen Firenze dial, almost impossible to get reproduced in a rep. This is arule in rep Firenze dials.
Anyway there are only 100 units produced, very difficult to get a direct comparison.
Regarding evaluations, bear in mind that the analysis of the review is very detailed and with many enlargements of the FIGURES, many flaws above mentioned, although existent, are many times few noticeable and by side by side comparisons.
Both studied replicas are very well manufactured and overall quality is awesome. Considering the improvements and remaining flaws, we can consider that Noob 2013 are clearly in a superior level.
We can say that Noob 2010 H-series version is just a good replica very well build
There are still many flaws in Noob 2013 to get a Super rep status (although the solid caseback) but the great manufacture quality deserves First Class status low level.
Anyway the beauty and good look and appearance of this rep is impressive as you can see in the pics of below threads by Gazzla, you really can forget some inaccuracies:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=84780 by Gazzla
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=84943 by Gazzla
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=85877&st=0&gopid=1407918&#entry1407918by Gazzla
Below two pics of Gazzla’s PAM 224 Noob 2013 version to see the beauty of this dial


PAM224-GAZZLAcopiar_zps7e96be93.jpg

THE MAGNIFICENT GAZZLA’s PAM 224 NOOB 2013

PAM 224

REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam224-h-luminor-daylight-ultimate-blue-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam224-h-luminor-daylight-ultimate-blue-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam224-h-luminor-daylight-ultimate-blue-dial-on-ss-bracalet-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
http://www.pure-time.com/product/new-arrival-pam224h-daylight-a7753-firenze-boutique-ultimate-edition-on-black-rubber-strap/ Noob 2010
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam224h-daylight-a7753-firenze-boutique-ultimate-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob 2010
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=196&P_id=2083&ti= Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+224&product_id=883 Noob 2013
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6933 Noob 2010
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_135.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&i d_prodotto=5847&id_categoria=4724
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The PAM 228 has the same structure as PAM 297 but has a Blue Firenze dial and a Rubber strap instead of SS Bracelet
The gen PAM 228 was a 2005 H-series Unique Edition of 100 watches for the Florence Boutique.
The PAM 228 a watch with GMT markers in the Blue Firenze dial. Panerai changed to inner dial markers from 2000 with the PAM 063, before that the PAM 023 and 029 had GMT markers in the bezel (Explorer type)
Like the PAM 088 it has seconds@9 sub-dial, older models, PAM 023, 029 and 063 have central second hand.
PAM 228 has, like the PAM 088, all silvered and well visible GMT hand, before PAM 088 the models PAM 023, 029 and 063 had a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer was visible.
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
There are good replicas of PAM 228, but the Blue Firenze dial character is very difficult to copy in order to consider them more quality reps.
Maybe, if you are looking for a Panerai GMT it would be better go to other models with Black dial like PAM 063 or 237 or better to PAM 088 or 029.


PAM 228
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam228-gmt-ultimate-editon/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=3367
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=1488
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_136.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2005/266-luminor-gmt-firenze-pam00228
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The PAM 229 is the same as PAM 104 but with Blue Firenze dial. See more related watches in PAM 104
The PAM 229 was a Unique Special Edition in 2005 of 100 watches for the Panerai Florence Boutique.
There are replicas from regular dealers and from DSN. They all are quite good replicas.


PAM 229
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=2439
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=91398 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Automatic%20Luminor%20Marina%20%20watches/Pam%20229H/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_137.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2005/267-luminor-marina-automatic-firenze-pam00229
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PAM231-FINALv2copiar_zpsc1c7ece4.jpg

EVALUATION – GOOD QUALITY REP (see comments)
The gen PAM 231 was introduced in 2005 H-series and discontinued in 2010.
PAM 231 is a Radiomir Base 45mm with case and bezel made of polished rose gold, therefore only hour and minute hands made of gold too, it has Sandwich black dial and display caseback showing a OPX movement CDG decorated, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.
PAM 231 is like a PAM 210 but made in rose gold instead of SS. Maybe a brown dial instead of Black had been more harmonious IMO.
It is fitted in origin with a brown croco strap with a thumbnail gold buckle.
This model definitely shows a luxury version made of solid Gold of Panerai's link to the “Historic” Radiomir models and military roots. PAM ADN in its pure state.


From 2006- there are quality replicas of this watch with inaccurate case (no sharp edges and square corners) fitted with A6497 low beat and even expensive versions with “Swiss” movements. They have inaccurate caseback, buckle, hands and inscriptions on dial. These replicas are Medium grade replicas but expensive in comparison with modern replicas and they are not worth.

January 2014- H maker releases a rep PAM 231 J-series, with no perfect but very improved case Rose gold coated by DLC-like process (more resistant than conventional process), caseback accurate enough (no perfect either), with wrong fonts of PANERAI inscriptions and PANER_AI issue as usually.
Anyway the most visible flaw is the hour hand clearly wider and longer than gen and much wider than minute hand, whereas gen has both hands with the same width andhour hand doesn’t reach the markers. Most likely maker is using the hands of aPAM 232 which is a mistake.This is a noticeable flaw and, moreover, on dial.
This replica is a good and beautiful watch nicely manufactured, but as replica has evident flaws and on dial, we cannot consider it a First Class replica, good high quality rep and no more. With a correct hour hand it could get a First Class status bordering a lower one.
Get more info here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170641 by Sharrkey
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=222405 by AP_VC
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=222630&p=2397213#post2397213 by theflyingdutchman
Pictorial and mini-review

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=224857 by mike00

PAM 231
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/15321-pa15321-pam231-j-radiomir-base-rg-alligator-a6497.html Hmaker J-series
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+231&product_id=989 Hmaker J-series
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1405 Hmaker J-series
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=298 2006 rep
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=293 2006 rep
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=11710 Hmaker J-series
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=11699 Hmaker J-series
http://www.pf-818.com/pn231j02-radiomir-base-rgle-6497-p-15380.html Hmaker J-series
http://www.pf-818.com/pn231j01-radiomir-base-rgle-6497-p-15377.html Hmaker J-series
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_11.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/radiomirhistoric.html
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/radiomir-base-pam-231--id2095432.htm?manufacturerIds=192&picnum=2&referenceNumber=pam00231%24192&tab=pics&urlSubpath=/panerai/ref-pam00231.htm
http://www.paneristifrance.com/archives/montres/item/revue-de-la-pam-231
http://www.blowers-jewellers.co.uk/images2/watch_images_pages/watches4_panerai_patek_vc_zenith_pages/panerai_pam_231_radiomir_45mm.htm
http://www.blowers-jewellers.co.uk/images2/watch_images_pages/watches4_panerai_patek_vc_zenith_pages/pam_231_box_papers.htm
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-231-i-radiomir-base-18k-rose-gold-45mm-boxespapers-new-discontinued-model
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PAM232-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium-high level (DSN models),
EVALUATION: LOW GRADE (other models)
The gen Radiomir 47mm PAM 232, is surely one of the most iconic watches of all the pieces that Panerai produced in recent years, it is a Special Edition of 1938 pieces in 2006. Recently Panerai released a few OOR (out-of-range) units. To some that was great news as it meant there was an opportunity to buy the watch at list price, but others feel that it's not so great to produce more pieces of a Special Edition watch.
PAM 232 is based in the vintage Panerai from 1938, “3646” model, with Brown Sandwich dial 12-3-6-9 numerals and sticks and gold hands. This vintage model had solid caseback and Dome Plexi crystal, the PAM 232 has solid caseback too, but has sapphire crystal without dome and has a movement OP X instead of Rolex Cal 318 like the vintage, moreover the gen PAM 232 doesn’t have “Double-pencil” shape hands like the vintage models (the hands are pointed on both sides)
Before PAM 232, Panerai released the PAM 021 (year 1997, Special Edition of 60 watches) seemingly the same watch, but actually very different because it is made of Platinum, has Display caseback and movement Rolex Cal 618 like the original vintage Panerai watch.
Therefore the PAM 232 is a modern SS version of the PAM 021 made of Platinum. They have very similar Brown Sandwich dial with gold hands, but some experts say that the colour and nuances of the PAM 021 are way better than in the PAM 232.
In 2010 Panerai released the PAM 294 a Special Edition of 49 watches, very similar to PAM 232 but with Dome Plexi crystal and Display casebak like the PAM 021.
Nowadays in 2011 Panerai has launched a 2000 pieces Special Edition of PAM 390 in case Luminor with solid caseback but with a design and dial based in the vintage 3646, the PAM 232 and PAM 021.
Therefore, there is a saga starting in year 1938 with PAM “3646” and following in1997 PAM 021, 2006 PAM 232, 2010 PAM 294 and 2011 the Luminor PAM 390.


There are replicas PAM 232 from regular dealers and from DSN.
The replicas from regular dealers have inaccurate “double-pencil” shape hands, surely because they use the hands from models like PAM 372-373-376-379 and 425. They are Low grade reps.
The replicas from DSN have accurate hand shape (the hands are pointed just at the end) and we can consider them as nice First Class replicas of medium-high level. First production years of these DSN reps came without production number, but from about 2014 DSN reps of PAM 232 come with a correct production number. See here:

www.hontwatch.net/davidsen-dsn-hommage-panerai-radiomir-pam-232-watch/
Nice pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=172869 by dannesyd
Pictorial and short review:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=174905&p=1763286#post-1763286 by kilowattore

PAM 232

REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam232/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=856
http://www.pf-818.com/pn23201-radiomir-base-47mm-swiss-unitas-6497-swan-neck-p-1811.html
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=101511 DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20radiomir%20steel%2047mm%20watches/New%20Born%20%20232%20up%20graded%20in%20april%20%202012/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_141.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials06.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2006/270-radiomir-1938-pam00232
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The PAM 233 is very similar to PAM 320 but has included an indicator AM/PM in the seconds @9 sub-dial and a Power Reserve indicator @6.
There is a version in Rose Gold and Brown dial: the PAM 289
The PAM 233 is a Limited Edition Regular production introduced in year 2006 I-series, which means that a limited number of watches is produced every year.
PAM 233 is the first Paneari watch fitted with an in-house “Manifattura” movement, the hand-wound mechanical calibre P.2002/1.The movement has an eight days power reserve.
The PAM 233 certainly has design elements that clearly show that the PAM127 Fiddy was a source of inspiration. Most importantly the cushion shaped case and the domed crystal. Panerai included a few interesting complications in their new movement, a horizontal power reserve indicator (knows as "the fang"), a second time zone (GMT) including an AM/PM dot inside the sub seconds dial, a date and a seconds reset function that allows you to accurately set the time.
It is fitted with a sapphire Display caseback and Black Sandwich dial. The Panerai PAM233 is one of the most versatile Panerai watches.
The silver GMT second time zone hand rotates once every 12 hours. The fact that the second time zone hands moves along with the hour hand makes it very easy and natural to tell the time in the other time zone. This GMT function is much better than the 24 hour GMT function of for instance the PAM 088. It's also nice that you can hide the second time zone hand behind the hour hand when you don't need it, which again results in a much cleaner looking dial.
The gen PAM 233 has a special Panerai “Manifattura” movement P.2002/1, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. Please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
There are cheap replicas fitted with A23J movement and relative good quality with working Power Reserve indicator.


PAM 233
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/2483-pa4071---pam233-luminor-gmt-8-days-power-reserve-black-date---asia-23j-automatic.html
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=1330&ti=
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=3431
http://www.pf-818.com/pn23301-days-ssru-black-asian-p-5206.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_55.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/manifattura-luminor.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=5805&id_categoria=5784
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PAM236copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower grade (Noob K-series 2010 version)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (Noob K-series 2013 version)
The PAM 236 is the same watch as PAM 250 but with SS bracelet
In 2006 I-series was released the second generation of Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm. It is, like the first generation, a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, it conserves also the square type chrono pushers, and again it uses the same completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds hand, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are very few modifications from the first generation: brushed bezel with tachymeter (before the bezel was polished) and a more “clean” dial, only the “12” numeral is conserved and the other numerals are replaced by little sticks markers (or relatively big dots in the white dial version).
There are three models of this second generation of Chronos in 2006, they all with the same structure of all brushed case-bezel with tachymeter and cleaner dial. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the strap: PAM 250 Black dial on Leather strap, PAM 236 Black dial on SS bracelet and PAM 251 White dial on Leather strap.


The replicas K-series Noob of PAM 236 from 2010 are fitted by A7753, they have working date adjustment@10 and are First Class reps. bordering lower status
Good review here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=115959&highlight=236k by bollobandit

July 2013- Noob releases a new generation of Daylight replicas, fitted with an improved A7753, with completely improved DW position (almost the same as gen), working date change pusher @10 but again starting the date change about half past 10 hrs.
These replica 2013 version have several improvements over the 2010 but they have also little worsenings.
To know about these improvements and worsenings, pros and cons of both versions you should consul a complete review of both Noob versions of PAM 250 by ALE.

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=154875 by ALE
In this review you can read the difference between both versions and the flaws in comparison to the gen.
PAM 236 Noob 2013 is fitted with a nice and well finished SS bracelet very similar to gen and with a quality that don’t achieve the finish, uniformity and smoothness of the gen but like in new Noob PAM 299 and 297 it is very close. Good enough to be considered a first class copy.
Regarding evaluations, Noob 2010 version was already considered a First Class replica. After this review we can see that there are some important flaws considering the level of quality of current PAM replicas. We can establish that it is a First Class replica but bordering a lower status.
Noob 2013 version, following the review, introduced a lot of improvements but has still many flaws and even has introduced some worsenings.
We can evaluate it as medium level First Class replica, no more
If Noob introduces some improvements like placement of L SWISS MADE L, fonts of Daylight on dial, better accuracy of subdial markers in general (mainly hours counter @6), length of main hands, correct big seconds hand… , since the caseback is closed, we could consider an upgrading to Super rep status or just bordering it.


PAM 236
REPLICA LINKS:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam250-k-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-on-bracelet-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam236k-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/6866-pa5470-pam236-panerai-luminor-daylight-black-dial-ss-ss-asian-7753-28800bph.html Noob 2010
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=196&P_id=2038&ti= Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+250&product_id=742 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6752 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.p-cls.com/pn23601-236k-daylight-chrono-ssss-black-asian-7753-p-9176.html Noob 2010
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_44.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
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PAM237copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high levl (H-series H maker colourless AR)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (H-series H maker Blue tint AR)

The PAM 237 is identical to the PAM 088 except with a black seconds@9 sub-dial instead of grey. Due to this plain Black dial it doesn’t get the charisma and appeal of the PAM 088, although PAM 237 is more simple and smart (closer to classic Panerai style).
This watch is nicknamed "The Ghost" because it does not appear in any of Panerai's literature.
ThePAM 237, introduced in 2005 H-series as a Unique Edition of 400 watches. It isa watch with GMT markers in the dial. Panerai changed to inner dial markersfrom 2000 with the PAM 063, before that the PAM 023 and 029 had GMT markers inthe bezel (Explorer type)
Like the PAM 088 it has seconds@9 sub-dial, older models, PAM 023, 029 and 063 have central second hand.
PAM 237 has, like the PAM 088, all silvered and well visible GMT hand, before PAM 088 the models PAM 023, 029 and 063 had a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer was visible.
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.


October 2011- H maker releases a replica of PAM 237 H-series. This production started with Blue tint AR, but H maker introduces soon an upgrade to colourless AR which are First Class reps high Class. Blue tint replicas can be considered as First Class medium level.
If you want the best one, be sure you are buying the new version colourless AR!!.
See a good pictorial here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=123698 by tigerwoods
Two good pictorials here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=129366 by Del
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=129946&p=1275617#post-1275617 by Del

PAM 237
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam237-h-h-maker-colorless-ar-edition-on-black-rubber-strap/ Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam237-h-h-maker-edition-on-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12415-pa7580b-pam088-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-7750.html Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12416-pa7590b-pam088-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750.html Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11063-pa6610-pam237-luminor-gmt-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2274&ti= Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2275&ti= Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=PAM+237&product_id=120 Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=8824 Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=10593 Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=8519 Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=8520 Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn237h01-237h-ssru-a7750-p-11506.html Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn237h02-237h-ssle-a7750-p-11507.html Hmaker H Colourless AR
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_231.html
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/pam-237-gmt-44-mm-limited-on-400-ex--id1224760.htm
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-237-h-luminor-gmt-400-piece-brad-pitt-ghost-edition-completely-sold-out
**




PAM239copiar.jpg

The gen PAM 239 is a Unique Edition of 75 Pieces created for Chronopassion
The PAM 239 seems a Destro version of the PAM 087, but it is just an appearance. The Pam 087 is a 1000m Sub, with wider bezel, smaller and thicker crystal, Helium valve, heavier case and blue dial.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. This watch has milled unidirectional bezel, the hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. It is an automatic watch, with small seconds @3 and a date window @9 for this Destro version.


PAM 239
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1039
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_303.html
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/clone-panerai-pam-194-g-luminor-submersible-automatic-2500m-47mm-titanium-special-edition-10
http://www.essential-watches.com/Panerai-PAM00239-PAM-239-Submersible-CHRONOPASSION-Limited-Edition-Left-Handed-Only-75pcs-made-15061
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PAM240-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (J-series from DSN)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (J-series from H maker)

The PAM 240 released in 2007 is like a version of PAM 104 in brushed Titanium and Brown dial with silver hands. See more related watches in PAM 104.
This watch continues the trend of simple dial started by the PAM 104 in the Luminor Automatic watches line of Panerai. Very interesting combination of Ti, Brown dial, silver hands. It is fitted with the popular movement OP III.
There are replicas from H-maker J-series and from DSN. They all are First Class reps. Some people consider PAM 240J H maker as Super reps, and seeing the below indicated review by Polonus the PAM 240J from H maker is bordering on Super rep grade. The more noticeable flaws are:
-Movement wrongly marked OPVIII (no noticeable due to solid caseback)
-Markers font too thin (the more bothering flaw, more noticeable in 6 marker)
-Wrong shape of lever tip (a little)
-Engravings on the caseback seem to be little too shallow and light compared to gen
You can see a very good review of PAM 240 H maker, indicating pro-cons and magnifical pictorial here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=115798 by Polonus

PAM 240
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam240-titanium-brown-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7750/ Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam240-titanium-brown-dial-on-deep-brown-leather-strap-a7750/ Hmaker J
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12210-pa1822b-pam240-luminor-marina-tobacco-brown-dial-ti-ru-asian-7750.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12342-pa7040b-pam240-j-black-h-factory-ti-lt-asian-7750.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+240&product_id=207 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn240j02-240j-tile-a7750-p-12061.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn240j01-240j-tiru-a7750-p-12056.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7124 Hmaker J
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=97944 DSN J
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Titanium%20Automatic%20watches/New%20Born%20Pam%20240J/ DSN J
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_16.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7285&id_categoria=35
**



PAM243copiar.jpg

EVALUATION:
(**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (Noob V1 L-series)
(**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (H maker V1 L-series)
(**) SUPER REP (Noob V2 M-series) (last batches wrongly called “V3”)
(**) SUPER REP (H maker V2 M-series)

The gen PAM 243 1950 case 1000m Submersible was a newly introduced watch for 2006 I-series. The PAM 243 replaced the now discontinued PAM 087 1000m Submersible. The PAM 087 was affectionately referred to as the 'tuna can' because of its sheer weight and thickness. The PAM 243 1950 case of 44mm made of SS feels like it has a more distributed an even-weighted feel as compared to the PAM 087. The PAM 243 is incredibly comfortably, sporty and unique looking and the newly styled ridged rubber sport strap (previously only available on the 47mm sport models like the PAM 194, PAM 187 and Slytech models) is soft and comfortable. It has unidirectional bezel Egiziano style, skeleton hands, automatic movement, small seconds @9, a date window @3 with cyclops and helium valve @9.
First years productions were fitted with Tritium dials, but last years Panerai introduced Luminova dials. Bear in mind that for the replicas L and M series, they should be marked L SWISS MADE L Luminova dials.



- Noob V1 L-series before Mars 2012
- H maker V1 L-series before Sept 2014
PAM 243 L-series were one of the best replicas in the market and the versions either from Noob factory or H maker were very appreciated.
-Noob V1 has better bezel with rounded dot contours (whereas H maker are a bit sharp) and correct 60 rotation clicks, whereas H maker V1 has inaccurate 120 clicks.
-H maker V1 has better crystal with cleaner cyclops
-Noob V1 has some problems with the lug quick-release buttons to change strap. Fixed in last batches.
-People usually think that H maker dial is more accurate than Noob. Maybe Noob has fatter markers but H maker markers are actually thinner and the decision is a taste matter. I personally see more accurate the fat Noob than the thinner H maker markers. H maker inscriptions are al so more inaccurate regarding fonts, with wrong “R” , slightly different “U”, horizontal stroke on “A” placed a bit low and inaccurate Automatic fonts, mainly “a”, although Noob is also inaccurate in this regard but a bit less.
H maker has conserved this old dial on V2 version and you can see below the comparison with Noob dial when we comment the new reps V2 from Noob and H maker. In this way you can judge by yourself.
Despite the flaws above commented these reps are between the best in the market and we can consider them as Super reps bordering lower status.



- Noob V2 M-series (it is possible to see some L-series in V2 Noob version)
From October 2013 many people and even some dealers are calling this rep Noob V3. This is in my opinion a wrong nomination, because there are no improvements to justify a change of name. Just a commercial trick to increase the price.
Mars 2012- In order to compete with H maker, Noob released an improved M-series Noob version V2 with some improvements. This version can be even fitted with Swiss movement (very expensive, it is no worth IMO).
Improvements in relation to Noob V1 version:
-A bit less fat sausage markers although still fatter than gen
-More accurate and flatter bezel pearl
-Correct Cyclops more accurate in size (7mm) and with less “frozen” halo
-Flatter, better polished and flush Cannon Pinion
-Improved placement of L SWISS MADE L inscription closer to “6” marker
-More accurate CG. Better placement of REG. / T.M. engravings, polished and flush CG pin, more accurate lever shape, in roller support and tip, although tip remains still a bit different from gen. Correct chamfered on corners.
-More accurate fonts on bezel 15-30-45 markers
-Better 1000m engraving and better fitting with CG on lever
-Polished tip on lug bars
-Improved polishing and shape of the bezel knurling
-Improved and better polished upper and lower bevelled of bezel, although the bevelled at the bottom is a bit smaller than gen and the upper polished external bevelled is clearly narrower than gen. For me the uglier flaw of this nice rep
See the flaw in the upper external bevelled of the bezel. It is wider in the gen:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/125784-*PCTeam*-Pam-243-Bezel-flaw!?p=1234542 by Rwolf-Better He font and shape of Helium valve
Below links of Puretime and TSwatch have a lot of pics and features of the PAM 243 V2 version:

http://puretime.watch/product/pam243-m-noob-maker-11-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap-v2-eta7750-free-strap-tool/
http://www.ts-station.co/product.php?id_product=11650
You can see very good pics of PAM 243 V2 from Noob in:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/102303-Pictorial-Noob-243-V2-few-macros-for-your-viewing-pleasure-)by babola
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/108784-Panerai-243m-on-Gunny-Paupe by Karesz501
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/142468-PANERAI-Submersible-243M-V2-noob-MEGA-PICS by dordonko
And we have a very good comparison NooV2 –H maker here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/121775-PAM243-Noob-V2-VS-H-factory-!-PICS?p=1197952 by smokiedabong
Some considerations about lume in gen - Noob - H maker here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=118160
There is a False alarm about the inscription DIVERS in caseback. Some people thought that this inscription was DIVER'S, but it is a false alarm, because gen J-series had really DIVER'S inscription but gen L ad M (like the rep have DIVERS like the replica.
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/125772-Noob-PAM243-I-found-one-really-simple-easy-and-dissapointing-tell by korneevy
Interesting mod of lever tip to get it more accurate to gen:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=212194&p=2293709#post2293709 by watchpt
Fantastic pictorial here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/136951-*PCTeam*-Luminor-Submersible-1000M-(PAM-243M)-Photoshoot!?p=1347866 by Del
WARNING and false alarm again ? : In January 2013 taiji has detected some dials of Noob PAM 243 M-series with subdial @9 having shinny concentric circles instead of being matt and with flat surface:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/133001-This-could-be-the-best-PAM243-version by taiji
After that there is another thread dealing about this matter

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/135706-Look-ALE?p=1337195#post-1337195post1337195 by Niek
Starting Mars 2013 an study and interesting investigation by PolonusTM hav established the origin of the matter:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/135706-Look-ALE?p=1337195#post-1337195 by PolonusTM
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/135706-Look-ALE/page2?p=1337778#post-1337778 by PolonusTM
Following Polonus statements:
"Now I know that gen 243 and 299 models HAVE concentric circles on subdials but the amount, viscosity and surface tension of paint layer varies and, most of the times, covers these circles and make them look semi-flat. When You flush gen dial with paint remover, they appear if full galore. They are not stamped but just micro-milled hence circles. Probably all PAM dials with subdials have them like that. So it is paint layer what rep makers get wrong."
The gen and the rep have both a very edged subdial contour, we can say that they are milled in the dial material, because it is impossible to get an edged contour of the subdial by stamping, we need a milled process to get this edged contour.
Therefore the inner surface of the subdials must have a mark of the milling tools like a fine spiral (seemingly concentric circles)
As you said due to the viscosity and surface tension of the paint the milled marks are flattened by the layer of the paint more or less in different way depending on quantity of the paint and also on the characteristics of the paint.
In below pics of two PAMs 243 you can see on the left side a subdial with a thick layer of paint and a minimum circles effect and on the right side a subdial with a thin layer of paint and therefore maximum circles effect.


PAM243SUDDIAL9GAMACONCENTR_zps41f9d42a.jpg

CIRCLES ON SUBDIAL OF A REP PAM 243

In this way due to the usual differences in the manufacturing process of a replica, we can get from almost completely flat inner subdial surfaces to “textured” surfaces like concentric circles.
Since the gen has seemingly almost flat surface, it is a matter of luck to get an almost flat surface like the gen in our replicas depending on the quantity, viscosity and surface tension of paint. Anyway I can see it s almost no noticeble in most of the cases.
On 11th Mars 2013 Polonus close this discussion getting from P.Clones's Joshua some comparison pics Gen-Rep PAM 299 H maker.

http://imgur.com/a/qUz3G
In these pics we can see that the Gen subdial @9 has circles without doubts, as you can see in below enlarged pic of the gen 299 from Joshua. The subdial of this watch is almost the same as PAM 243 one.

PAM299-CIRCLESGENSUBDIAL_zps9746bbff.jpg

CIRCLES ON SUBDIAL OF A GEN PAM 299-equivalent to PAM 243

Therefore this discussion is closed and no much worries about subdial circles in this PAM 243.
August 2013: watchpt proposes a easy mod to get the reps closer to gen, just making the lever tip more rounded like gen, since all rep versions even Noob V2 has this tip with sharper edges. See below link:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/154961-pam-243-crown-lever-mod by watchpt
In order to see the quality of the details of this rep see the microscopic review pics form zocker4711 in this thread:
Zocker4711 microscopic review here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/171334-PAM243L-Noob-v2-under-Microscope V2 by zocker4711

PAM%2520243-%2520NOOB%2520V2%2520DETAILS%2520copiar_zpstxqhij0l.jpg

MICROSCOPIC MACRO PICS OF NOOB V2 REPS (by zocker4711)

September 2013- Noob announced that stopped the production of PAM 243 due to cost problems.
Noob released a last (and so-called "definitive") batch of about 100 units. Please bear in mind that some units of this last batch from Noob have been released without lume at "12" and "6". Please check your purchases and ask dealers for lume pics before shipment
If Noob stops definitely the PAM 243 production the only good alternative will be the H maker version.


October 2013- Noob releases another batch. It seems there are no improvements but an increase of 60$ in price. No better or wider polished edge on bezel and the rest all the same. Some dealers called this batch Noob V3. But no reasons in my opinion because the rep watch is the same as previous versions. Some units even seem having worse CG chamfered edges and more crocked bezel markers. Maybe just a bit more sloppy Quality Control.
At this regard there is a very interesting comparison through microscopical pics by zocker4711 of V2 and so-called "V3", where is clearly shoved they are the same. Maybe seconds subdial @9 has more fine (microscopical) concentric circles and are more covered with the paint, but this would not be a great improvement since V2 well painted doesn’t show circles under naked eye.
Zocker4711 microscopic review here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/171435-PAM243M-Noob-v3-under-MicroscopeV3" by zocker4711
Some macros:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/171599-PAM243M-Noob-v3-Cam-Microshots-Addon?p=1730375#post-1730375post1730375 by zocker4711
Nice pictorial with several straps here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/195958-My-Pam243-Noob-and-Straps by PAMISTI91
Therefore there are PAM 243 Noob V2 before October 2013 and after October 2013 (bad called "V3")
By these pics we can also realize the awesome quality of these Noob watches.
Reading above commented features of this last Noob version V2 (V3) of PAM 243 we can say that is a true Super rep with a strong gen-like apperance. It is a shame the narrower polished external upper edge of the bezel. Without this flaw the rep would be almost a gen in appearance and gets an status clearly over the H maker V1 PAM 243.



- H maker V2 M-series
September 2014- Taking advantage of the stopped production of PAM 243 from Noob, H maker released an improved version H maker V2 M-series of rep PAM 243.
H maker has made some efforts to get a rep at the same level of Noob and in some aspects they have got the purpose. Besides H maker has made this watch at very reasonable price.
H maker has improved overall quality of finish getting a great gen-like appearance at the same level as Noob.
CASE- Accurate shape and improved finish in the same level as Noob. V2 version has improved the quick-release lug’s buttons to change the strap.
BEZEL- Accurate overall shape. This rep has improved the horizontal section of bezel knurling and mainly the vertical section of the knurling making the upper and lower bevelled much more accurate and better polished than previous H maker version.
Anyway the upper external polished part of the bezel bevelled, although nicely polished remains narrower than gen.This narrower edge was the main issue of all Noob versions, in H maker this upper bevelled is a bit hit miss: usually it is a bit wider than Noob, always narrower than gen. But I have seen some QC pics and some catalogues with H maker V2 with a bevelled edge almost with the same width of the gen, but usually it remains smaller.
To illustrate above commented, please see the pic of the H maker V2 rep published in below links.

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/274647-My-Pam-243-fromo-ToroBravo by diseno
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=261819&p=2736928#post2736928 by diseno
As you can see in above pics the polished upper external bezel edge has almost the same size as gen edge. It is really nice and gives to the watch an impressive look.
The knurling polishing has improved a lot but I like more the finish and polishing of last Noobs. Bezel rotation has 60 clicks, the same as Noob and gen (previous V1 version had inaccurate120 clicks). Working of rotation is precise and without play. The black minute markers on bezel from 12 to 3 hrs. have been also improved in accuracy and finish at the same level of Noob. H maker V2 has also improved bezel dots markers, they are now really accurate and well polished with rounded edges and raised like gen (even better than Noob). The black numerals 15, 30, 45 of the bezel dots have worse finish than previous version and than Noob, but this could be variable between batches. The pearl is also very good, really improved and at the same level or even better than some Noobs
CROWN GUARD- The CG has improved a lot from V1, the quality is at the same level as Noob regarding shape, finish, lever, CGpin, rounded edges and finish of the “hole”, and it seems than chamfered edges are even better and more uniform than Noob. Nice CG overall.
CASEBACK- Accurate enough with nice and deep engravings, less accurate and less deep than Noob and gen, and with a weird crooked second “S” in SUBMERSIBLE engraving.
CRYSTAL- Nice improvements in this regard. H maker has improved a lot the contour of the date Cyclops, carefully polishing the edges of the loupe and almost avoiding the “frozen” halo almost at the same level as gen and even better than some Noobs (Noob improved this issue a lot in last batches).
CANNON PINION- CP has improved a lot, V2 CP is nicely polished and flat, but I see the contour of the CP a bit rounded, most likely due to it is a cup covering the real CP. I think Noob CP of last versions is better, more credible and flatter although maybe with worse polishing. Anyway, both CP are really good for a rep.
DIAL- The comments about this part will be the more controversial matter of this rep in comprison to Noob dials.
Many people are thinking that H maker PAM 243 dials are better than Noob, but this is not at all true and V2 H maker dial is the same (or almost the same) as V1 version.
The surface and overall finish of both dials are equivalent and really good. Dial layout is very accurate in both reps. Lume and inscriptions colours are also accurate eithr in Noob or H maker.
Sausage lume application of both makers are gen-like and accurate enough.
And now the differences:
Lume dots have accurate shape and lume colour, but H maker dots have more rounded upper surface whereas gen and Noob are flatter.
The main differences are the accuracy of markers and the accuracy of inscriptions fonts.
People usually think H maker markers are more accurate than Noob ones, but if we make some comparisons we can see that Noob are a bit thicker but H maker are thinner and the thickness of Noob is less noticeable than the H maker issue. In bellow comparison pic we can observe than Noob “6” marker is actually thicker than gen, but it seems more accurate than the thinner “6” of H maker. Maybe some people could think that the differences are few noticeable, but never that H maker “6” is better than Noob.


PAM%2520243-%25206-LSML-%2520COMP%2520copiar_zpsrxxwzixi.jpg

“6” MARKER - NOOB–GEN-Hmaker COMPARISON

Please see in avobe pic that L SWISS MADE L inscription has accurate fonts and position accurate enough in both reps, but H maker inscription is bigger.
H maker “12” marker is even worse, it is clearly thinner than gen, but besides it is smaller, as we can see in below pic.


PAM%2520243-%252012%2520LUM-%2520COMP%2520copiar_zpsponmmjdk.jpg

“12” MARKER - NOOB–GEN-Hmaker COMPARISON

As you can see there is a clear difference between H maker “12” marker and gen one. Noob is a little bit thicker than gen but is clearly more accurate.
Regarding fonts of inscriptions there are interesting differences. The main difference is the “R” font. Gen “R” has a slightly inclined tail, it is a bit curved and at the bottom it has a pointed shape toward the right side. As you can see on below pic, Noob “R” has a tail almost like gen with inclined, curved and pointy bottom tail, whereas H maker “R” has straight, completely vertical and without pointy bottom tail. This is really inaccurate in practice.
H maker “A” has bigger inner triangle, due to the horizontal “A” gen stroke is placed a bit higher than H maker one. Noob is accurate in this regard.
Automatic inscription font is inaccurate in both reps, mainly “a” font, but H maker fonts are a bit narrower and more inaccurate.
In LUMINOR inscription, moreover the “R” font, H maker “U” has the bottom part more rounded than gen and Noob. This is very frequent but few noticeable in practice.


PAM%2520243-%2520PAN-Aut-%2520COMP%2520copiar_zps9pd1m8xp.jpg

INSCRIPTIONS FONTS – NOOB-GEN-Hmaker COMPARISON

If we observe a good macro pic of Noob dial, we will see that the quality and accuracy of Noob inscriptions is even better that what we can see in above pics. To confirm this matter see above microscopic pics extracted from the macro pics of below link:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/171334-PAM243L-Noob-v2-under-Microscope by zocker4711
Another difference is the glossy appearance of the seconds sub-dial @9. Due to the concentric circles pattern of H maker subdial it takes very glossy appearance in many positions, and you can see that is many pics. Of course, there are many Noob rep with visible concentric circles but for some reason the paint of Noob somehow hides the circles and the glossy effect.
Therefore due to above mentioned reasons we can state that Noob dial is more accurate than H maker.
Reviews by Polonus TM:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/232951-*PCTeam*-Better-later-than-never-small-review-of-H-factory-PAM-243-V2 by Polonus TM
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=254610 by Polonus TM
More info here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/232817-Pam243m-h-maker-factory-better-than-out-of-stock-Noob by Branigg
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=103342 by Branigg
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/211576-Pam-243?p=2293519 y Derik429
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/258895-Pam-243-M-series-from-Noob-or-H by repigator
That said we can conclude that H maker is a very good rep and with a very reasonable price. It looks clear that H maker has not completely improved Noob features, it is superior in some aspects but the dial is clearly inferior.
Anyway H maker V2 is a clear Super rep at reasonable price and a very good alternative for the unavailable Noob. If you are lucky and get a rep H amker V2 with wider upper external polished bezel edge, you will have a rep even with better appearance than the better Noobs.


A very good candidate for a first PAM rep.

PAM 243
REPLICA links:
- Noob V2 (“V3”) M-series
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam243-m-noob-maker-11-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap-v2-a7750/ not available
(**)http://www.ts-station.co/15017-15017.html not available
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+243&product_id=204 not available
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=112 not available

-H maker V1 L-series
(**)http://www.ts-station.co/14599-14599.html
(**)http://www.7750asian.com/pic_show.asp?u=7&pic=PN243b/PN243b8.jpg
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=8969

- H maker V2 M-series
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1540
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2147-pam-243-m-h-maker-1-1-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap-v2.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13017
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13016
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12306
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn243m02-submersible-ssle-p-16927.html
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn243m01-submersible-ssru-p-16926.html


GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_27.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/1000m.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=6084&id_categoria=36
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PAM243%2520-%2520J-series%2520copiar_zps2upnkxmg.jpg

EVALUATION:
(**) SUPER REP ( H maker J-series )

The gen PAM 243 1950 case 1000m Submersible was a newly introduced watch for 2006 I-series. The PAM 243 replaced the now discontinued PAM 087 1000m Submersible. The PAM 087 was affectionately referred to as the 'tuna can' because of its sheer weight and thickness. The PAM 243 1950 case of 44mm made of SS feels like it has a more distributed an even-weighted feel as compared to the PAM 087. The PAM 243 is incredibly comfortably, sporty and unique looking and the newly styled ridged rubber sport strap (previously only available on the 47mm sport models like the PAM 194, PAM 187 and Slytech models) is soft and comfortable. It has unidirectional bezel Egiziano style, skeleton hands, automatic movement, small seconds @9, a date window @3 with cyclops and helium valve @9.
First years productions were fitted with Tritium dials, but last years Panerai introduced Luminova dials. Tritium dials lume has vintage character and ecru-brownish colour that changes over time, becoming darker and more brownish. For replicas J-series dial should be marked T SWISS MADE T tritium dials and have vintage ecru-brownish colour. PAM 243 aged Tritium looks like a warmer version of PAM 243 Luminova



- H maker J-series
July 2015- H maker released a rep of PAM 243 J-series with the good caseset used for H maker V2 M-series and obviously changing the dial for a Tritium-like dial with ecru-brownish vintage lume. Fortunately H maker has not used the same dial base as previous M-series version which had thinner and slightly inaccurate “6” and “12” markers.
Like in V2 M-series, H maker has again made some efforts to get a rep at least at the same level of previous versions and has got IMO an improved rep in relation to H maker V2 M-series.
H maker has used the same caseset from V2 M-series with improved overall quality of finish, getting a great gen-like appearance at the same level as Noob. Even it looks, from the pics I have studied, that H maker has improved a bit more the finish and polishing of the bezel knurling. Unfortunately it seems they have not yet corrected the size of the upper polished external bezel edge which remains narrower than gen.
In relation to the caseset I have almost the same comments as H maker V2 M-series version
CASE- Accurate shape and improved finish in the same level as Noob.
BEZEL- Accurate overall shape. This rep has improved the horizontal section of bezel knurling and mainly the vertical section of the knurling, making the upper and lower bevelled much more accurate and better polished than previous V1 H maker version.
Anyway the upper external polished part of the bezel bevelled, although nicely polished remains narrower than gen. This narrower edge was the main issue of all Noob versions, in H maker this upper bevelled is a bit hit miss: usually it is a bit wider than Noob, always narrower than gen. But I have seen some QC pics and some catalogues with new H maker reps with a bevelled edge almost with the same width of the gen, but usually it remains smaller.
As above commented it looks that knurling polishing has improved in relation to V2 M-series, becoming closer the finish and polishing to last Noobs. Bezel rotation has 60 clicks, the same as Noob and gen (previous V1 version had inaccurate120 clicks). Working of rotation is precise and without play. The same as on M-series, black minute markers on bezel from 12 to 3 hrs. have been also improved in accuracy and finish at the same level of Noob. H maker has also improved bezel dots markers, they are now really accurate and well polished with rounded edges and raised like gen (even better than Noob). The black numerals 15, 30, 45 of the bezel dots have worse finish than previous V1 version and than Noob, but this could be variable between batches.
The pearl is a controversial matter because J-series pearl is really different from M-series one. But this is the same for the gen J-series. If we made a comparison with the gen, the accuracy is really good, as you can see on below comparison pic.


PAM%2520243%2520J-%2520pearl%2520and%2520sausage%2520lume-%2520comp-defi3-%2520xxxxxxxxxxxx%2520copiar_zpsuqw2r0uh.jpg

PEARL AND SAUSAGE LUME – GEN - Hmaker (J-series) COMPARISON

To get more info about the gen pearl see another pic from kilowattore in below post:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/247081-*PCTeam*-The-PAM243J!-The-Tritium-Rep-Is-NOT-Dead!!!?p=2342903&viewfull=1#post-2342903

CROWN GUARD- The CG has improved a lot in H maker V2 M-series and J-series, the quality is at the same level as Noob regarding shape, finish, lever, CGpin, rounded edges and finish of the “hole”, and it seems than chamfered edges are even better and more uniform than Noob. Nice CG overall.
CASEBACK- Accurate enough with nice and deep engravings, less accurate and less deep than Noob and gen, and with a weird crooked second “S” in SUBMERSIBLE engraving.
CRYSTAL- H maker V2 M-series and J-series have improved a lot the contour of the date Cyclops, carefully polishing the edges of the loupe and almost avoiding the “frozen” halo, almost at the same level as gen and even better than some Noobs (Noob improved this issue a lot in last batches).
CANNON PINION- Like in V2 M-series CP has improved a lot, it is nicely polished and flat, but I see the contour of the CP a bit rounded, most likely due to it is a cup covering the real CP. I think Noob CP of last versions is better, more credible and flatter, although maybe with worse polishing. Anyway, both CP are really good for a rep.
DIAL-There is a surprise with this rep because, as you can see in the review of H maker V2 M-series, the markers of this version were inaccurate, being “6” thinner and “12” thinner and smaller. PAM 243 H maker J-series has improved the accuracy o the makers fonts and we have now accurate thickness, size and fonts for “6” and “12” markers.
The sausage lume application and the marker fonts are also very accurate with a slim white contour on markers and really raised sausage lume application just like gen. You can see the accuracy I’m talking about in below comparison pic.


pam%2520243%2520J%2520-%252012-LUMINOR%2520copiar_zpsesuwdag2.jpg

“12” MARKER – SAUSAGE LUME – GEN - Hmaker (J-series) COMPARISON

As you can see sausage lume application, white contour and fonts are really accurate, much better than in H maker V2 M-series
The surface and overall finish of dial are really good. Dial layout is very accurate, as the same level as previous versions.
Another improvement added by H maker in J-series is the surface os seconds sub-dial @9. Maybe due to a more appropriate viscosity or thickness of the black paint the glossy appearance the seconds sub-dial @9 has disappeared.
And now the differences:
As previous H maker versions lume dots have accurate shape, but H maker dots have more rounded upper surface whereas gen and Noob are flatter.
Regarding inscriptions the colour is accurate but the fonts are inaccurate, in the same way as H maker V2 M-series.
Therefore, as commented in previous H maker version, H maker J-series “R” has straight, completely vertical and without pointy bottom tail, whereas gen “R” has a slightly inclined tail, it is a bit curved and at the bottom it has a pointed shape toward the right side. “R” fonts are really inaccurate in practice.
H maker “A” has bigger inner triangle, due to the horizontal “A” gen stroke is placed a bit higher than H maker one. Noob is accurate in this regard.
Automatic inscription font is always inaccurate, mainly “a” font, but H maker fonts are a bit narrower and more inaccurate.
In LUMINOR inscription, moreover the “R” font, H maker “U” has the bottom part more rounded than gen and Noob. This is very frequent but few noticeable in practice. We can see the font differences in above comparison pic of “12” marker.
Maybe the more debatable matter of this rep is the lume colour of dial dots, markers and hands. As already commented gen has Tritium lume which the colour ages over time, becoming darker and more brownish with different degrees of change. For some reasons lume of gen dots seems to get more darker than gen markers lume and mainly hands. Gen usually presents lighter colour lume on markers and mainly in hands than lume dots. That could be due to a different gen Tritium lume material used in the production of the gen PAM 243 Tritium. Talking about Tritium lume these differences cannot be considered as a rule, because the aging of this Tritium lume is completely ramdom. Rep lume colour is very similar in hands, markers and dots and quite dark. Rep lume usually is darker and seemingly more “aged” than most of the gens. We could say that the rep has an aging at the limit of darkness in relation to the gen aging. H maker rep lume is really nice and gives to the watch a nice vintage and warm appearance, although I had preferred a lighter colour on markers and mainly in hands. But as above commented aging has no rules and we can consider accurate enough the rep J-series lume colour and, besides, beautiful.
That said we can conclude that PAM 243 H maker J-series is a very nice rep, in many aspects is the same as Pam 243 H maker V2 M-series, but with better dial markers accuracy, closer to gen, accurate pearl and improved appearance of seconds sub-dial @9. In this way H maker J-series overall improves H maker V2 M-series and gets a quality similar to Noob V2 (V3) M-series.
Rep PAM 243 H maker J-series is a clear Super rep at reasonable price and the best alternative for the unavailable Noob. If you are lucky and get a rep H maker J-series with a bit wider upper external polished bezel edge, you will have a rep even with better appearance than the better Noobs.
More info here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/247081-*PCTeam*-The-PAM243J!-The-Tritium-Rep-Is-NOT-Dead!!! by Grimlocktime
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/250657-H-Factory-PAM-243J-Someone-got-it-already-QC-pics-allowed?p=2365617 by PAMaholic
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=255954 by PAMaholic

A very good candidate for a first PAM rep.

PAM 243 J-series
REPLICA links:
- H maker J-series
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1661
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2245-pam243j-h-maker-1-1-ultimate-edition-on-brown-leather.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13722
(**http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13723
http://www.pf-818.com/0140c-p-17988.html

GEN links:
http://shop.analogshift.com/products/tudor-heritage-chronograph
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fsot-panerai-pam-243j-tritium-dial-quick-strap-change-buttons-879930.html
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=301882
http://www.lacotedesmontres.com/Annonce-Panerai-PAM-243-J-Luminor-Submersible-Tritium-Full-Set-No_50760.htm
https://onlyvault.com/watches/panerai-pam-243-luminor-submersible-1950-pam-243-i-tritium-series-16463
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=7130728&rid=0



PAM244copiar_zpse9f801d3.jpg

EVALUATION : LOW GRADE REP
The gen PAM 244 was introduced in 2006 I-series, is a Luminor 40mm GMT, with seconds subdial@9, date with Cyclops @3 and, Black dial with GMT dial 24hrs in the inner contour. It is fitted with a movement OPVIII based in a Valjoux 7750 hidden under a solid caseback. Its case and bezel are made of SS, the case being brushed whereas the bezel is polished.
The watch is very similar to Pam 297 but with 40mm instead of 44mm and with leather strps instead of SS bracelet, ther is another difference because the Pam 244 case is brushed instead of polished. Dial, leaving aside the size is almost the same.
Gen technical details:
Movement:Automatic mechanical, exclusive Panerai OP VIII calibre, 13¼ lignes, 21 jewels, PANERAI personalised oscillating weight. Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 42 hours. Côtes de Genève decoration on the bridges. It is tested and certified by C.O.S.C.
Functions: Hours, minutes, small seconds, date, second time zone.
Case: Diameter 40 mm, brushed steel.
Bezel: Polished steel.
Back: Screw, brushed steel.
Crown Guard: (protected as a trademark) Polished steel.
Dial:Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. 24h indication on the edge. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
Crystal:Sapphire, formed of corundum, 2.5 mm thick, magnifying lens over the date at 3 o’clock. Anti-reflective coating.
Water-Resistance:30 bar (~300 metres).
Strap: PANERAI personalised alligator strap and brushed steel adjustable buckle. Supplied with a tool for changing the strap and a steel screwdriver.


June 2013 - Low grade reps are released fitted with cheap A21J movement. With adjustable GMT hand but non working GMT function.
If possible go to Luminor 44mm versions


PAM 244
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13960-pa13960.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_33.html
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PAM247copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (H-maker)
Thegen PAM 247 Ferretti is very unique and rare! Only 20 units were made!
This watch have the structure of a PAM111 but has Solid caseback with signature Ferretti and a very differentpresentation.
This Special Edition of 2006 I-serieswas created for the Ferretti watch boutique in Italy. It comes on a tan calf strapwith a pre vendom style tang buckle, it also comes with some very coolaccessories. First, you will receive an Italian made Ferretti strap and buckle,it also comes with a belt than matches the watch strap. Last, you will receivea travel watch case that will hold the watch, strap and tools. It comes in ahuge presentation box with all papers.
This is very good and interesting forthe gen, but the rep will be simply a PAM 111 with a hardly credible solidengraved Ferretti Caseback. For this reason we think it is a First Class repBORDERING Super rep statusinstead of a Super rep. Up to you.
Therefore you had better buying anexcellent PAM 111 from Noob or H maker!!

PAM 247
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam247i-ferretti-h-maker-ss-black-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a6497/ Hmaker
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam247i-ferretti-h-maker-ss-black-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-2-a6497/ Hmaker
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12897-pa2260b-pam247-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12895-pa2240b-pam247-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2321&ti= Hmaker
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=PAM+247&product_id=690 Hmaker
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=9936 Hmaker
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=9935 Hmaker
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn247i01-247i-ferretti-p-12768.html Hmaker
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn247i02-247i-ferretti-p-12769.html Hmaker
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6875 Hmaker
GEN links:
http://www.clubpanerai.com/index.asp?notizia=1676&codice=15
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=325432
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=32011252
http://market.watchprosite.com/show-collection.detail/id-17106/mod-/series-%20PAM247*%20PAM247%20-%20Luminor%20Marina%20SE%20for%20Ferretti/p-Panerai%20PAM247*/pi-2717291/ti-452806/t-panerai-pam247-luminor-marina-se-for-ferretti-pam-247-luminor-marina-se-for-ferretti/
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PAM249copiar.jpg

The gen Radiomir 47mm PAM 249 is a Special Edition of 1936 pieces in 2006.
PAM 249 is based in the vintage Panerai from 1936, “3646” model, with the striking "art deco" like California dial showing an unusual combination of Roman and Arabic numerals, it had blued steel hands, this vintage model had solid caseback and Dome Plexi crystal. The PAM 249 has Display caseback, but has the same Dome shaped Plexi type, and has a movement OP X instead of Rolex Cal 318 like the vintage
There are replicas PAM 249 from regular dealers and from DSN, they all are quite good replicas.


PAM 249
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam249-radiomir-1936-california-dial/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11750-pa0420s-panerai-vintage-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=794
http://www.pf-818.com/pn24901-vintage-47mm-radiomir-california-dial-swan-neck-p-1736.html
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=101680 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20radiomir%20steel%2047mm%20watches/Pam%20249H/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_143.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials06.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2006/283-radiomir-1936-pam00249
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower grade (Noob K-series 2010 version)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (Noob K-series 2013 version)
The PAM 250 is the same as PAM 236 but with leather strap
In 2006 I-series was released the second generation of Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm. It is, like the first generation, a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, it conserves also the square type chrono pushers, and again it uses the same completely different movement, the Valjoux 7753 based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds hand, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are very few modifications from the first generation: brushed bezel with tachymeter instead of polished one and a more “clean” dial, only the “12” numeral is conserved and the other numerals are replaced by little sticks markers (or relatively big dots in the white dial version).
There are three models of this second generation of Chronos in 2006, they all with the same structure of all brushed case-bezel with tachymeter and cleaner dial. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the strap: PAM 250 Black dial on Leather strap, PAM 236 Black dial on SS bracelet and PAM 251 White dial on Leather strap.



From about 2007 there are replicas of Daylights with some evolutions (with A7750 and even A7753) until the release of a good series from Noob in 2010 fitted with A7753 and featuring a working date change pusher @10. These replicas had no correct position of DW and change of date started about two hours before midnight.
Good review here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=115959&highlight=236k by bollobandit


July 2013- Noob releases a new generation of Daylight replicas, fitted with an improved A7753, with completely improved DW position (almost the same as gen), working date change pusher @10 but again starting the date change about half past 10 hrs.
These replica 2013 version have several improvements over the 2010 but they have also little worsenings.
To know about these improvements and worsenings, pros and cons of both versions you should consul a complete review of both Noob versions of PAM 250 by ALE.

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=154875 by ALE
In this review you can read the difference between both versions and the flaws in comparison to the gen.
Regarding evaluations, Noob 2010 version was already considered a First Class replica. After this review we can see that there are some important flaws considering the level of quality of current PAM replicas. We can establish that it is a First Class replica but bordering a lower status.
Noob 2013 version, following the review, introduced a lot of improvements but has still many flaws and even has introduced some worsenings.
We can evaluate it as a medium level First Class replica, no more
If Noob introduces some improvements like placement of L SWISS MADE L, fonts of Daylight on dial, better accuracy of subdial markers in general (mainly hours counter @6), length of main hands, correct big seconds hand… , since the caseback is closed, we could consider an upgrading to Super rep status or just bordering it.


PAM 250
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam250-k-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam250k-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/10202-pam250-panerai-luminor-daylight-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html Noob 2010
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=196&P_id=2031&ti= Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+250&product_id=736 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6750 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn25001-250k-daylight-chrono-ssle-black-asian-7753-p-9174.html Noob 2010
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_42.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=5 906&id_categoria=39
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PAM251copiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower status (K-series with A7753 movement)
The PAM 251 is almost the same as PAM 250 but with White dial and 12+dots dial.
In 2006 I-series was released the second generation of Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm. It is, like the first generation, a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, it conserves also the square type chrono pushers, and again it uses the same completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds hand, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are very few modifications from the first generation: brushed bezel with tachymeter instead of polished one and a more “clean” dial, only the “12” numeral is conserved and the other numerals are replaced by little sticks markers or relatively big dots in this white dial version.
There are three models of this second generation of Chronos in 2006, they all with the same structure of all brushed case-bezel with tachymeter and cleaner dial. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the strap: PAM 250 Black dial on Leather strap, PAM 236 Black dial on SS bracelet and PAM 251 White dial on Leather strap.


There are replicas before 2010 G-series with A7750 movement, inaccurate date font and window placement and very recessed. Well build reps but just good replicas without pretensions.


September 2010- Noob releases reps of PAM 251 K-series fitted by A7753 have working date adjustment @10, better placement of date window and acceptable date fonts, although both non perfect. Date wheel is less recessed but more tha gen. Dots have thicker contours and some other inaccuracies. Due to a high quality of construction we can consider then as Frist Class rep bordering a lower status

PAM 251
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam251-daylight-white-dial-a7750/ PAM251G A7750
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam251-k-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob K 2010->
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11641-xfpa3320-pam251-luminor-daylight-chrono-white-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html Noob K 2010->
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11642-xfpa3330-pam251-luminor-daylight-chrono-white-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html Noob K 2010->
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2032&ti= Noob K 2010->
(*)http://
www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=PAM+251&product_id=691 Noob K 2010->
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=818 PAM251G A7750
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6753 Noob K 2010->
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn25101-251k-daylight-chrono-ssle-white-asian-7753-p-9180.html Noob K 2010->
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_43.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
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The gen PAM252 Luminor North Pole GMT is a 2006 Special Edition watch of which only 500 units were produced. Dedicated to Mike Horn's North Pole Winter Expedition, the objective of which was to travel across the thousand or more kilometers of ice which separate the northernmost part of Russia from the North Pole. This was the North Pole expedition that followed the successful completion of Mike Horn's 20,000 mile circumnavigation of the Arctic Circle in the most extreme and harshest sub-zero conditions (the Arktos expedition with the PAM 186 commemorating it).
The PAM 252 has the looks of Panerai submersible watches, but - although the gen is water resistant up to 300 meters - technically it's not a submersible. Its rotating bezel is not used to calculate submersion time but it functions as a compass aid instead. The letters N,E,S and W are on the bezel to indicate North, East, South and West. The watch can be used to find the north direction by making the hour hand point straight at the sun. Half the angle between the hour hand and the 12 o'clock index. This direction is south! You can then rotate the bezel to that position to keep track of where you're going. It's a nice function but probably more of a gadget than a useful one.
The PAM252 has a solid steel case back with a picture of the polar ice cap engraved and the signatures of Mike Horn and Borge Ousland. The engraving refers to above mentioned Mike Horn's North Pole Winter Expedition
Officine Panerai was an exclusive partner of the North Pole Winter Expedition and they have developed this technically advanced watch especially for the expedition. It has a soft iron inner case to protect the OP VIII automatic movement from the influence of the earth’s magnetic field which is very strong in the vicinity of the North Pole. The watch also has a 24 hour GMT function and a date at the 9 o'clock position.
The 252 has a really nice blue dial which is one of the characteristic features of this nice watch.
The replica has a quite good quality.


PAM 252
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam252-noth-pole-gmt-ultimate-edition/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1175
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1919
http://www.pf-818.com/pn25203-npole-asia-7750-28800bph-functional-p-4164.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_145.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials06.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2006/286-luminor-north-pole-gmt-pam00252
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP (I-series from H maker) (with some restrictions due to inaccurate movement, see comments)
The PAM 253 is like a PAM 212 but with decorated Clou de Paris dial
The PAM 253 is similar to a PAM 286 but “Flyback” instead of “Rattrapante” (PAM 286 has marked with blue the previous five minutes before the starting of the Regatta in the minute counter)
In 2006 I–series Panerai released a Unique Edition of 500 watches PAM 253 to celebrate the Panerai Classic Yachts Challege 2006.
A “Flyback” chronograph can work like a regular chronograph, starting-stopping with the pusher @2 and returning to zero pressing the pusher @4 after stopping with pusher @2.
But this type of chronograph has also this special “Flyback” function, also known as the “retour en vol” or Taylor function, which is very simple to operate. The “Flyback” function is used while the chronograph is running (without stopping by pressing the pusher @2) pressing the return to zero pusher @4, immediately returns the large blued centre hand to zero (we repeat: without having to stop it first) and the hand instantly starts again when the button is released. See Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G8CXrY0rz0&feature=related
The gen PAM 253 features this special technical function by means of the Panerai calibre OP XIX, an automatic movement with a column wheel system controlling the chronograph functions.
The appearance of the “Flyback” function was catalyzed by the first watch with a separate chronograph button (the stop and reset functions were previously controlled by the winding-crown). This watch appeared in 1923 and was developed by
Breitling_SA the chronographs have afterwards gained the form which they retained until today. In 1934 the Breitling chronographs received the second chronograph button with the function of returning the seconds hand to zero. Thus it became possible to measure short intervals of time using the add function. However the patent of the “Flyback” chronograph belongs to Longineswith its first “Flyback” chronograph dating back to 1936.
This “Flyback” complication is impossible to get by the replicas and threfore they have False “Flyback” function. Moreover, the Display caseback denounces an, obviously, inaccurate movement. Due to the best versions of these replicas, I-series from H maker have an impressive construction quality, we have classified them as First Class reps, but if we cannot live with such a flaws we should consider them as only very good reps.
You can see a fantastic pictorial of PAM 253 I from H maker here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=124678&p=1222634#post-1222634 by Del
And below another fantastic pictorial

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183365 by gbcn

PAM 253
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam253i-luminor-regatta-flyback-chrono-1951-ultimate-edition/ Hmaker I
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam253-i-ultimate-edition-on-custom-blue-stitched-leather-strap/ Hmaker I
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam253i-luminor-regatta-flyback-chrono-1950-ultimate-edition-on-custom-dark-brown-leathe-strap/ Hmaker I
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12445-pa7870b-pam253-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-7750.html Hmaker I
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/7583-pa6850-pam253-luminor-regatta-flyback-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker I
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=1340&ti= 253 I
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+253&product_id=88 Hmaker I
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7125 Hmaker I
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7156 Hmaker I
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn253i01-253i-regetta-flyback-chrono-ssru-2880-p-9600.html Hmaker I
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn253i02-253i-regetta-flyback-chrono-ssle-2880-p-9634.html Hmaker I
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_146.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials06.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=6684&id_categoria=5824
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP (good quality watch - read comments)
The gen PAM 261 comes together in a set of two watches with the PAM 260. The Tarascio two-watch collector's set combines the best of both Panerai case styles and is near-impossible to find. Made in only 25 pieces, this 2006 Unique Edition was created to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the Italian distributor Tarascio. It features a Panerai Luminor Marina, PAM 260 automatic 44mm stainless steel case with a black dial, round hour markers, deployment clasp and date display and is individually numbered as one of only 25 pieces ever made! The set also showcases a PAM 261, 45mm Radiomir with a manual wind mechanical movement, 18K white gold case, black dial with seconds sub-dial @9 and torpedo Black Seal logo, a brown croc strap with 18K white gold tang buckle. This watch is also individually numbered as one of only 25 pieces ever made, the numbers of the two watches matching each other.
From July 2012 there are replicas of this watch, built with the dial of a PAM 292J (with PIG logo) and the case and case back (obviously made of SS instead of White Gold)) of a regular Radiomir PAM 380.
Due to above mentioned the caseback is completely inaccurate and the dial has a wrong L SWISS MADE L inscription.
The Maker has wanted to make another model with the same parts of other watches and it has made a very bad hybrid, with wrong dial and wrong caseback.
Look at this link the gen PAM 261:

http://9maiali.com/product-panerai-pam-780-tarascio-special-set-pam-260-submersible-and-pam-261-radiomir-black-seal-white-gold-se-25-pc/
You can sse the incorrect inscription L SWISS MADE L and the completely wrong caseback, as showed in below pic:

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I don't understand the new trend of makers producing such a Hybrids nowadays, when the quality of the replicas and the knowledge of the buyers is at very big level and these Hybrids cannot be accepted by the fans at such a prices.
Another good watch but LOW GRADE replica. The same as PAM 369 recently released!!



PAM 261
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12758-p451-1070.html
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?P_id=2410&ti=%20%20
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=10566
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn26101-pam261-tarascio-blackseal-p-12502.html
GEN links:
http://9maiali.com/product-panerai-pam-780-tarascio-special-set-pam-260-submersible-and-pam-261-radiomir-black-seal-white-gold-se-25-pc/
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EVALUATIONS:
(**)SUPER REP ( K-series KW/V6Fac with A7750 decorated like OPIII )
The gen PAM 285 is a Unique edition of 250 units introduced in 2008 K-series. PAM 285 is a Submersible 2500m with 47mm Luminor case 1950 type with solid caseback, both made of brushed Titanium and an impressive unidirectional rotating Diver’s bezel made of brushed SS, with polished big solid metallic numeral markers (with detached numbers) @ 15-30 and 45, other markers are polished big metallic sticks. The contour features a squared knurling, to make easier the rotating function, with nicely polished external faces. The bezel features a pearl @12 hrs. with a metallic polished triangular support. There is also a narrow black circular track between the crystal and the bezel body which shows stick diving markers from 12 to 3 hrs., minute diving markers are brushed SS colour. This track was also used in 2103 for the very well known PAM 364.
Case, bezel, knurling and the overall watch are inspired by the 2004 SUB 2500m PAM 194. In 2004 was also released a SUB 1000m Chrono, PAM 187, which features similar bezel but without diving minute markers from 12 to 3 hrs. and smaller metallic stick markers. In 2010 PAM 358 was also released, it is a similar watch but with destro layout with CG at left side.


Three above commented watches PAM 385-194-358 are Unique Editions of limited quantity, SUBs 2500m with very thick 5,9mm sapphire crystal, the same brushed Ti case and caseback, the same brushed SS diver’s bezel and brushed CG without REG. T.M. engravings. They are fitted with the OPIII movement based on Valjoux 7750 without chrono functions.
The main difference of these watches (leaving aside the destro layout of PAM 358) is the dial. PAM 194 and 358 have 12 and 6 sausage numeral markers and the rest are sticks, regular sausage in PAM 194 and with embossed contours (like in first versions of PAM 087) in PAM 358. Whereas PAM 285 has a dial with 12 and & sausage numeral markers and the rest are dots with chromed circular contours.
This dial is inspired firstly by the old SUBs PAM 024 and 025, and after used in Regatta models and PAM 106,170,199,243,571 and even 616. PAM 285 has seconds subdial @9 and Date window with Cyclops @3.
See below some links to see complete pictorial comparisons of above commented watches
See pictorial comparison of gens PAM 285 vs.194
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1337792073/Made+for+a+bottomless+tub+...
See pictorial comparison of gens PAM 285 vs.358 http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1340531325/The+Zillas+is+not+a+family+like+all+the+others
See pictorial comparison of reps PAM 285 vs.187 and 364 reps
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?266074-Panerai-285&p=2770233&viewfull=1#post2770233 by tridad

GEN PAM 285 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Automatic mechanical, exclusive Panerai OP III calibre, 13¼ lignes, 21 jewels, PANERAI personalised oscillating weight. Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 42 hours. Côtes de Genève decoration on the bridges. It is tested and certified by C.O.S.C.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, Minutes, Small Seconds, Date, Calculation of immersion time
CASE-Diameter 47 mm, Titanium
BEZEL-l Brushed steel. Anti - clockwise rotating bezel with graduated scale for measuring the duration of immersions and ratchet click at minute intervals.
BACK- Screw, Titanium
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (Protected as a trademark) Brushed Steel
DIAL- Black with luminous Arabic numerals and applied dots. Seconds at 9 o’clock, date at 3 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire crystal formed of corundum
WATER RESISTANCE- 250 bar (~2500 metres)
STRAP- Caoutchouc, Black, 26.2/21.9 mm Standard



- PAM 285 K-series KW/V6Fac with A7750 decorated like OPIII
January2016- KW/V6Fac released the first good rep of PAM 285. The rep is a high quality watch made like the gen in materials and features. The quality of the manufacture is really good and gets a strong gen-like appearance, as you can see in below comparison pics.

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PAM 285 – GEN KW-V6Fac OVERALL COMPARISON

As always, there are obviously some flaws, as we will see in this review, but all things considered this rep is fantastic.

CASE
Mid case is made of Titanium in gen and rep, the shape is accurate enough and the finish has a nicely brushed surface like gen.
Only the lugs have a bit different shape because gen lugs have more curved upper profile getting a more eagle beak appearance. Below pic shows the differences.


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PAM 285 – LUGS AND CASE SHAPE - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

Regarding colours of the case and bezel there are many polemical comments due to different colours observed by the rep owners. This is not an issue because gen colours are also different. Whatever some gen and rep catalogues or articles say, the case, either gen or rep, is made of Titanium and the bezel is made of SS. This difference of metals produces a different colour between these parts, being the case greyer than bezel.
In the same way the CG body is made of SS but the CG lever is made of Titanium either in gen or rep.
You can see in some gen pics these differences, mainly under some lighting conditions, as you can observe in below gen pics, where the case and the CG lever are clearly greyer. Therefore rep is completely accurate in this regard.


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GEN PAM 285 – COLOUR DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BEZEL & CG, MADE OF SS, AND CASE & CG LEVER MADE OF TITANIUM

Rep Helium valve is nicely made and polished with quite accurate He engraving although it is well defined but a bit shallower than gen.

BEZEL
Bezel shape and appearance are very accurate and overall rep bezel is very good with nice finish of brushed body and nicely polished markers.
Bezel has unidirectional rotating which works in the rep the same as gen.
Big stick polished markers of the bezel are really accurate in the rep, just with the same profile and shape of the gen, perfectly fitted with the bezel and with a strong gen-like appearance.
Bezel numeral markers are accurate enough, and overall and at real size there are no noticeable differences. But they are not as perfect as stick markers. Gen markers are not at all perfect and there are some differences in thickness and between batches, but overall they are much more uniform than rep. Gen numerals are better defined and the edges and finish are more uniform. The edges at the bottom, in contact with the bezel surface, are squared and sharp making almost perfect the fitting with the bezel surface. Rep numeral markers are much more inconsistent: thickness is variable between batches and even in the same watch, the overall appearance is less uniform and looks always overpolished. Rep bottom edges are very rounded and they are always bad fitted with the bezel surface. Sometimes rep numerals present gap between their bottom surface and the bezel, mainly in the upper stroke of the “5”. We can see above commented in below pics of the rep markers and bezel.


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REP KW-V6Fav PAM 285 – REP. NUMERAL BEZEL MARKERS

See the thickness difference and the bottom edge of the markers, rounded, overpolished and with some gaps with the bezel surface.
Numeral markers fonts are accurate in practice but there are some differences: the inner hole of the “4” is clearly smaller and more round in gen and the rep “30” looks thinner.
Bezel stick markers from 12hrs. to 3hrs. engraved in a black painted track are another inconsistency of the gen. We can see different thickness of the markers in many gen pics, even the stick thickness in the same gen watch is not completely uniform. Obviously the gens have sharper, clearer, and better defined markers and the paint of the track is more smooth, but the rep markers are good enough.
Bezel knurling is very well finished and at the real size is accurate enough as you can see in below comparison pic. The gen is just more uniform and defined and more carefully polished.


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PAM 285 – BEZEL KNURLING AND PROFILE - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

Anyway, the differences are not very noticeable at real size, and therefore, bezel accuracy is really good and maker has made a good job

BEZEL PEARL
Due to this is the less accurate part of the rep, bezel pearl deservers a separate section to be reviewed.
There is an advantage for the rep regarding the accuracy of the pearl, because the gen pearl is really inconsistent. There are a lot of gen pearl differences between batches. In effect, we can see many differences of gen pearls just observing gen pics in the websites.
Gen pearl is placed inside a SS polished support with side curved triangular shape. This support has in its center a deep hollow with conical walls where is placed the pearl. The pearl doesn’t usually fill the hollow, but it leaves an space allowing to see the conical walls of the hollow. This space is from almost inexistent to clearly visible leaving a noticeable recessed contour between the pearl and the SS triangular support. You can see a lot of differences seeing gen pics but we can classify the gen pearls in two types:
-Gen pearls of big size, almost filling the hollow with small contour. The pearls are almost covering the hollow conical walls. Pearl upper surface come from flat to a bit convex shape. Below pics show this gen pearl type.


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GEN PAM 285 BIG PEARL WITH SMALL CONTOUR COVERING THE SUPPORT HOLLOW

-Gen pearls of small size that don’t cover the hollow, and leave a big recessed contour around the pearl. These pearls allow to see the conical walls of the hollow and look very detached from the support. Pearl upper surface come from flat to a bit convex shape. Below pics show this gen pearl type.

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GEN PAM 285 SMALL PEARL WITH BIG AND RECESSED CONTOUR NOT COMPLETELY COVERING THE SUPPORT HOLLOW

Rep pearls are, more or less, like the first type: big pearls almost filling the support hollow. Usually rep pearls are filling more the hollow, leaving smaller contours and they usually are flatter than gen pearls, as showed in below pics.

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REP PAM 285 PEARLS - BIG PEARL ALMOST COVERING THE SUPPORT HOLLOW

We can see pearls with contours from little to almost inexistent, and from completely flat to slightly convex
Somehow we can say that rep pearls are accurate in relation to the first type of the gen. The most accurate would be the rep more convex pearls and with the wider contours, as showed in the first pics of above showed. Being the last ones the less accurate of them.
Lume colours is slightly green in gen and rep and it is accurate enough.


But the less accurate part of the pearl is the triangular support (as happened in the rep PAM 364 Noob). Gen support has a equilateral triangular shape with clearly curved sides. Rep support has also a triangular shape but only with the upper side curved, lateral sides are completely straight. Besides the upper side is smaller in rep giving to the rep support an isosceles triangle shape (and noticeable appearance) instead of equilateral. Below pics show the difference between gen and rep triangular support. I have placed the gen triangular support contour in orange over the rep support and, in this way, you can clearly notice the differences: smaller upper side and completely straight lateral sides.

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PAM 285 – PEARL TRIANGULAR SUPPORT DIFFERENCES - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

Above pic is also valid to prove the accuracy of some rep pearls with small contour and slightly convex upper surface.
At real size and seeing the watch as a whole, pearl differences are not as noticeable as we can see with detailed comparison and enlarged pics. Therefore, pearl accuracy is enough and maker has made a good job


CROWN AND CROWN GUARD
Rep crown is accurate but, as always, not as well finished and polished as gen.
Rep Crown Guard is accurate and almost as nicely finished as gen, but gen CG has in general more rounded and softer edges.
Chamfered corners are not made as uniform as gen and present some differences but at real size are accurate enough.
CG lever is made of Titanium like gen and has greyer colours than the CG body. Lever shape and tip are accurate and there are no noticeable differences with the gen.
CG and Crown is a good job from the rep maker.


CRYSTAL
Gen is a very thick sapphire of 5,9mm in order to support 2500m of depth with single inner AR coating. Rep crystal has the same appearance as gen, it is sapphire and the AR looks really good. Indeed some people think that rep has double AR. I have not removed the rep crystal and I have not checked the rep AR, but the rep crystal is very similar to the gen and its overall appearance is really good. The date cyclops looks nice and without “frozen” halo. Therefore accurate enough and no worries in this regard


DIAL
DIAL SURFACE- No problems whit a black and flat dial. Very accurate
DIAL LAYOUT- Layout is almost perfect without no noticeable flaws, as you can see in below comparison pics.


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PAM 285 – DIAL AND FRONT VIEW - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

DOT MARKERS- Rep dots have accurate contour and size, but they look a bit flatter than gen which shows more convex dome. The lume could be a bit greener but few noticeable without side by side comparison.
NUMERAL MARKERS- Rep markers are very accurate. Like in dot markers, the lume could be a bit greener but few noticeable without side by side comparison.
DIAL INSCRIPTIONS- Very accurate in general. No noticeable flaws.
DATE- accurate date window and date fonts
SECONDS SUBDIAL @9- Overall accurate with sharp and clean markers and dots. Maybe a bit less recessed than gen, only noticeable under the loupe.
Therefore the dial is maybe the best part of this watch. Really accurate and well made, very gen-like


HANDS AND CANNON PINION
Rep hands have accurate shape but as always they are less flat and uniform than gen, they have less sharp and defined contours. Gen hands lume is whiter in relation with the markers lume but rep hand lume is the same as in markers. A bit of job for modders.
Rep CP is
maybe a bit bigger but few noticeable, perfectly polished, flattened and very gen-like.

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PAM 285 – HANDS AND CANNON PINION - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

CASEBAK
As we can see in below comparison pics, rep caseback is overall the same as gen a tad less deep engravings but fonts and layout are almost the same. We can see some differences in the fonts of K XXX/250 production number. Very nice job from the maker


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PAM 285 – CASEBACK - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

MOVEMENT
Gen is a Panerai OP III calibre based in a Valjoux 7750, with PANERAI personalised oscillating rotor and bridges.
Rep movement is based in a rep A7750 with the same gen decoration. As you can see in below pics, the rep decoration looks like the gen, but it is rougher and less nicely made. Golden inscriptions are much less clean and the colour is yellowish instead of golden.
The biggest flaw is a mistake in the lettering because rep says 21 JEWELE instead of 21 JEWELS as showed in the pics
Since the caseback is closed, above details are interesting but not very important regarding accuracy in the hand.


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PAM 285 – MOVEMENT - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

CONCLUSIONS
KW-V6Fac have made a very good job with this rep.
Leaving aside the lug shape and the support of the pearl, few noticeable under the nuked eye and without a detailed side by side comparison, the rep is almost perfect and made like the gen.
This is one of the best PAM SUB ever repped and we can consider it a new Super rep and a very good choice for a PAM SUB 47mm


More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=266074 by Very Little Gravitas
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/298853-Need-help-PAM-285-amp-Good-morning by skapi

PAM 285
REP links:
K-series KW-V6Fac W/ A7750 decorated like OP III
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOHstkIcdDU&feature=youtu.be
http://www.kuvarsitwatch.co/panerai/submersible/1-1-kw-pam285-luminor-submersible-47mm-best-edition.-p.9000-movement../
http://puretime01.com/pam285-k-titanium-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-a7750.html
http://www.tswatch.club/18315-pa18315-pam285-k-v6f-1-1-best-super-copy-titanium-ru-a7750_439e78a43d4a739cfa47f945bcb0b8a9.html
http://www.tswatch.club/18402-pa18402-pam285-k-v6f-1-1-best-super-copy-titanium-ny-a7750_e2adf45160ae4d9f66018a0f6e2c839e.html
http://www.torobravos.xyz/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1985
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2669-pam285-k-ss-v6-best-edition-on-rubber-strap-p9000.html
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=14383
http://www.pf-818.com/-p-18875.html

GEN links:
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/special-editions/2008/luminor-submersible-2500m---47mm_pam00285.search.html?search=285&case=0&movement=0&function=0&casediameter=0&material=0&color=0&setTop=setTopSearch
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1315331588/pam+194++or++pam+285++whats+your+choice+-+(barryryan7)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/265104/thread/1240688262/PAM+285+VS+PAM+194+PICTURE+COMPARISON..ENJOY!
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&th=2240727&rid=0
http://www.watchprosite.com/?page=wf.forumpost&fi=712&ti=566886&pi=3506806
http://www.network54.com/Forum/611718/thread/1371048992/1/FS-+8+discounted+panerai's+285,+127,+382,+64,+87,+10,+106+and+312+(pthorpe)
http://www.mywatchmart.com/listing/29172-fs-panerai-pam-285-k-luminor-submersible-ti-47mm-special-editionmint-amp-priced-lowmdash-ton-of-pics/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1340531325/The+Zillas+is+not+a+family+like+all+the+others
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1242103590/PAM+285
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/pam-285---47mm---prof-diver-2500m--id2694092.htm
https://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-285-k-luminor-1950-submersible-2500m-47mm-titanium-special-vip-ghost-edition-ony
http://www.watch-collections.com/home.jsp?productId=24&title=Panerai+PAM+285
5-6




PAM286-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (H maker)
The PAM 286 is a PAM 213 but with decorated Clou de Paris dial
The PAM 286 is similar to PAM 253 but “Rattrapante” instead of “Flyback” (PAM 286 has marked with blue the previous five minutes before the starting of the Regatta in the minute counter)
In 2007 J–series Panerai released a Unique Edition of 500 watches PAM 286 to celebrate the Panerai Classic Yachts Challege 2007.
A "Rattrapante","split seconds","double chronograph” or “doppelchrono” has two seconds hands, one hand is superimposed over the other. When you start the chrono, by pressing pusher @2, both hands start together, but when they are running, if you press the “Rattrapante” pusher @8, you stop the lower second hand, while the other continues running. If you push again the pusher @8 the lower hand catches up the hand which is running and they continue together again, if you push another time the lower hand stops again and the upper continues running, and so every time you repeat the pushing. See Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUSvi1oOaZg&feature=related
The gen PAM 213 features this special technical by means of the Panerai calibre OP XVIII, an automatic movement with a double column wheel system controlling the chronograph functions.
This “Rattrapante” complication is impossible to get by the replicas and threfore they have False “Rattrapante” function and even a completely false pusher @8. Moreover, the Display caseback denounces an, obviously, inaccurate movement, even more inaccurate than in the case of the “Flyback”. Due to the best versions of these replicas have an impressive construction quality, H maker J-series, we must to classify them as First Class reps, but bordering a lower status. If you cannot live with such a flaws we should consider them as only good reps.
See a nice pictorial here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184914 by Buddhabar


PAM 286
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam286j-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap/ Hmaker J
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam286j-ultimate-edition-on-custom-dark-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker J
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam286-j-ultimate-edition-on-custom-blue-stitched-leather-strap/ Hmaker J
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12457-pa7970b-pam286-j-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker J
http://www.tswatchltd.com/7639-pam286j-panerai-luminor-regatta-black-dial-ss-lt-walnut-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker J
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2153&ti= Hmaker J
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+286&product_id=174 Hmaker J
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7220 Hmaker J
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7221 Hmaker J
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn286j01-286j-regetta-ratt-chrono-ssru-28800-p-9716.html Hmaker J
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn286j02-286j-regetta-ratt-chrono-ssle-28800-p-9714.html Hmaker J
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_147.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7312&id_categoria=7295
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-286-j-luminor-1950-regatta-rattrapante-chronograph-2007-special-edition-only-500
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PAM288-deficopiar.jpg

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (K-series from H maker)
The PAM 288 is similar to PAM 214 but it is not a Rattrapante Chrono and has Solid caseback instead of 214 Display caseback.
The gen PAM 288 started in 2007 J-series, hopefully belongs to a line of regular production chronographs in Radiomir cases, this combination of case and complications having previously been confined to special editions. The gen PAM 288 is a Radiomir conventional Chrono, using the well known Chrono movement OP XII (Valjoux 7753 based).
All the reps PAM 288 seem to have the movement wrongly marked OP XIX, this OP XIX movement is only for the 1950 Flyback Chronos PAM 212 and 253. Fortunately they have Solid caseback.
Since the PAM 288 caseback is Solid (even the gen movement OPXII is Valjoux based) the external accuracy of this rep is very good. Therefore the replicas of PAM 288 are one of the best in the market and we can consider them as Super reps. There are versions with genuine (?) croco straps but quite more expensive and with the same movement flaws, up to you.
See a good pictorial of this rep here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam288k-review-photodump-125499?p=1230546 by spdu4ia
Another pictorial of a Franken 288:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=127527&p=1259879#post-1259879 by Hasselbaink


From July 2012 - there is a rep version K-series made by “other factory” (following Puretime words) fitted with Seagull ST19 modified with autowinding module, but the movement is also wrong marked OP XIX like A7750 version.http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=179270
This ST19 version has several flaws as follows:
- The position of chrono pushers is wrong. They are closer than gen and the current A7750 replica. You can see the position marked in blue lines. A7750 replica is correct.
- The tip of the canon pinion of sub-dials is black instead of silver like gen and A7750 replica
- The Crown Tube is much longer than gen and A7750 replica. Marked with purple lines.
- The side position of the Crown is much higher than on gen and A7750 replica.
- The sharp ends of the case are not as sharp as on gen and A7750 replica
- The AR is a little bluish. See the pics on Puretime and Timeshops catalogues.
- The distance between sub-dials is shorter in ST19 replica than in gen and A7750 replica. See marked in green the distance "A" in ST19 replica and the difference in gen and A7750 replica
- The LUME in hands is WIDER in ST19 rep than in gen. But in A7750 rep is almost the same (a bit wider) as gen.
- The lume in ST19 goes farther to the hand arrow
- The hand arrow in ST19 rep is sharper
- In ST19 rep the tachymeter font is lower than in gen and A7750 rep
Due to above mentioned reasons we cannot consider this ST19 version either as Super rep or as First Class rep despite the good construction quality and the good movement, just as a Good replica, only advisable if you don't like A7750. See:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=115353 by ALE
If you are looking for a Radiomir Chrono the best choice would be A7750 version Super rep PAM 288 K.
Pictorial review here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=32338
An interesting review, purchase guide and pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=160184&p=1607843#post-1607843 by MoreCowBell
Very good candidate for a first PAM replica



PAM 288
REPLICA links:
Low grade replica- good watch)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam288-k-11-best-edition-st19/ (Seagull ST19 mvmt)
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam288k-ultimate-edition/ Hmaker K
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12543-pa8580fo-pam288-k-2012-update-version-lt-a7750.html Hmaker K
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12544-pa8590fo-pam288-k-2012-update-version-lt-a7750.html Hmaker K
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2067&ti= Hmaker K
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+288&product_id=546 Hmaker K
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2184-pam288k-h-factory-best-edition.html Hmaker K
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=10565 Hmaker K
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn28802-288k-radiomir-chrono-ssle-black-a7750-chrono-p-9423.html Hmaker K
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_54
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7313&id_categoria
**




PAM289-finalicopiar.jpg

The gen PAM 289 is a version of the PAM 233 but made of Rose Gold and with Brown Sandwich dial instead of black like the 233. This watch was released In 2007 J-series.
PAM 289 is fitted with an in-house “Manifattura” movement, the hand-wound mechanical calibre P.2002/1.The movement has an eight days power reserve.
It has the cushion shaped 1950 case and the domed crystal. Panerai included a few interesting complications in the movement, a horizontal power reserve indicator (knows as "the fang"), a second time zone (GMT) including an AM/PM dot inside the sub seconds dial, a date and a seconds reset function that allows you to accurately set the time. It is fitted with a sapphire Display caseback and Brown Sandwich dial.
The silver GMT second time zone hand rotates once every 12 hours. The fact that the second time zone hands moves along with the hour hand makes it very easy and natural to tell the time in the other time zone. This GMT function is much better than the 24 hour GMT function of for instance the PAM88. It's also nice that you can hide the second time zone hand behind the hour hand when you don't need it, which again results in a much cleaner looking dial.
The gen PAM 289 has a special Panerai “Manifattura” movement P.2002/1, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. Please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
There are cheap replicas fitted with A23J movement and relative good quality with working Power Reserve indicator.



PAM 289
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/new-arrival-pam289-rg-lite/
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=1322&ti=
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=3452
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&products_id=3686
http://www.pf-818.com/0000pn28901-days-rgru-black-asian-p-5213.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_56.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7290&id_categoria=5784
**



PAM292-Ceramiccopiar.jpg


These are replica versions made of Black Sandblasted Ceramic like gen

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (M-series from H maker)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (K-series H maker, see below comments)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (J-series H maker V1 before 2015)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (J-series Noob)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (J-series and N-series H maker V2 -2015)

WARNING (N-series Noob) see below comments about dial
The gen PAM 292 is similar to PAM 183 but made of Black sandblasted finish Ceramic instead of polished SS and fitted with solid caseback. It seems more similar to the PAM 380 but this last watch has a very different Logo Sausage dial instead of conventional Sandwich dial.
The gen Black Panerai Radiomir PAM 292 was first introduced in 2007 and it is now slowly making its way to the lucky few on the waiting lists. As opposed to other earlier black Panerai watches - like the Pre V 202/A and 203/A, the PAM 4,9,26, 360 and 195 - this Radiomir is not a PVD coated watch. Its case is Ceramic.
Ceramic is about five times harder than stainless steel and as a result much less prone to scratches. The new Ceramic watches are Panerai's solution for a much more reliable product. But the production process of ceramic watches is much more complicated and time consuming - mainly because the material is so hard. The cases are not molded, but made by machining. This is most likely why it has taken quite long for the first watches to be delivered to their owners. But, it's worth the wait.
There is another interesting detail about this Black Seal. Although the watch is not a Special Edition, the 2008 run does no longer have the little submarine SLC torpedo with two frogman riders- often referred to as the "pig"- on the dial. This seems to make the 2007 J-series a very collectible watch. The J-series is limited to 1000 pieces and another 1500 pieces will be made for the K-series (2008). The gen PAM 292 is part of the Panerai “Historic” Radiomir models, it has a Sandwich black dial in a cushion shaped Radiomir black Ceramic case 45mm, with detachable wire lugs with, seconds@9 sub-dial, Solid caseback and movement Panerai OP XI calibre, ETA based, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.



These replicas Full Black Ceramic version of PAM 292 K are made of real Black Ceramic and with sandblasted type finish very close to the gen. Sometimes this replica is even sold cheaper than the equivalent in Black PVD SS.
Be careful because some replicas from K-series H-maker had a very serious issue with an incorrect glue being used causing the case to split apart and making the lugs useless. Maker fixed this issue in the following models (thanks info from AHX).
However, one of our watchsmiths (Wiz in France) has sourced the correct compound for sticking ceramic to SS and can perform the repair should it be needed (thanks info from Bonesey)
We can consider the Full Ceramic K-series as First Class rep medium level (be careful with the above mentioned issue), and the Full Ceramic M-series from H maker as a First Class rep bordering Super Rep status, IMO these replicas are surpassed by new generation of J-series.



July 2012- H maker introduced a version J-series, therefore with the “pig” pressed out in the dial, that we can consider directly as a First Class rep. bordering Super rep status.
PAM 292-J-series H maker mini Review and pics here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=110507 by PolonusTM (it contains info about the Noob J-series too. See below)
Pictorial and review:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=228530 by tris1066

July 2012 -Noob also introduced a version J-series, threfore with the “pig” pressed out in the dial, that we can consider Super rep. This replica comes with ceramic crown, which could seem inaccurate since the first gen J-series came with SS PVD coated crown, but really the last gen J-series came with ceramic crown. For this reason Noob has decided starting the rep PAM 292 J-series with Ceramic crowm. Noob says that it is using a very good quality ceramic and process to make the case. Therefore this replica could be the best PAM 292 in the market, but it is expensive. Be careful with the ceramic crown because it will be fragile.
The Noob version is way more expensive but, following the fantastic thread of comparison by Torobravo, it seems that PAM 292J Noob is better than PAM 292J H-maker (except perhaps the PIG logo, see comments and comparison below).

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=111846 by Torobravo
A good pictorial and mini-review of Noob J-series here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=34464 by pmcclean18
Nice pictorial of H maker J-series here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=45790 by Randy C
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=135691 by randychuah
More information here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=180267 by Angus of Puretime
Pictorial and little review with PIG logo comparisons here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=113115 by TastyTreats
Nice and useful mod. reducing length of crown tube to get it similar to gen:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170723&p=1721131#post-1721131 by kostas
At this moment the problem is to know if it is worth the difference of price between the Noob and H maker version. Since the case semms very similar (very difficult to know about the material quality)
For information you can see too a comparison between 292 K H maker and 292 J series Noob:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=117789 by ericb196.
WARNING: There is a replica from H maker with a very inaccurate dial. See link:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12372-pa7240b-pam292-m-h-factory-black-ceramic-casing-1-1-asian-6497.html.
This replica is announced as ULTIMATE 1:1 BUT HAS A VERY INACCURATE DIAL WITH "OP" LOGO. BE CAREFUL !!!

August 2012- Noob introduced the V1 N-series (therefore, without logo) and we can make for this version the same comments as J-series but leaving aside the comments related to the PIG logo.
WARNING: Before purchasing this rep N-series Noob V1, bear in mind a dial issue, because the inscription PANERAI is under the gen position. Read more here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=112929 by ALE


April 2013- Noob released the N-series V2 triyng to fix the PANERAI position issue, but this new version has still the PANERAI in a little low position. Threfore we cannot give to this replica a good evaluation, since it has an evident dial issue.
Read and see:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1397916&postcount=9 by ALE

January 2015
- after a long period without Noob Pam 292 J-series in the market, H maker releases a new ceramic improved version H maker V2 of this replica.
H maker makes two versions: J-series with PIG and N-series without PIG. Series in Dealers catalogues are very bad specified and there are many mistakes, confusing PIG with No PIG version, wrong descriptions and mixing pics. It is advisable when purchasing to assure you are getting the version you want before shipment.
H maker uses the same dial as previous versions with the “6” marker a with less rounded than gen (few noticeable) and the same inscription, with worse fonts and less raised print than Noob, but the case seems improved regarding finish without flaws in the joining between mid case and bezel and with the crown made of ceramic like Noob version. This replica doesn’t achieve the quality of Noob, since the case is not at the same level and the dial has not the quality and accuracy of Noob dial. Anyway an interesting choice since Noob is not available at the date of the H maker release. We can evaluate H maker V2 as Super rep bordering a lower status.
More info here

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=205834&p=2076863 by shelby1501
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=247953 by 481609
Nice pictorial by Gazzla

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=97332 by Gazzla

A good candidate for a first PAM replica


PAM 292
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-j-pig-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob J
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-j-pig-11-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap/ Noob J
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-m-hf-on-hand-stitched-tan-leather-strap-/ Hmaker M
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-k-hf-on-thick-stitched-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker K
(Warning)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-n-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob N V1
(Warning)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-n-v2-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-dial-updated/ Noob N V2
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16104-pa16104-pam292-j-v2-perfect-torpedo-black-seal-a6497.html Hmaker N-series non-PIG 2015 version. (TSW catalogue wrongly indicates J-series)
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16103-pa16103-pam292-j-v2-big-perfect-torpedo-black-seal-a6497.html Hmaker J-series V2 PIG 2015 version
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12635-xfpa292-pam292-j-noobfactory-best-1-1-version-ceramic-asian-6497.html Noob J
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12212-pa0463b100-pam292m-radiomir-black-seal-black-ceramic-casing-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/10311-pam292-panerai-radiomir-black-seal-black-dial-ceramic-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker K
(Warning)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12372-pa7240b-pam292-m-h-factory-black-ceramic-casing-1-1-asian-6497.htmlTHIS LINK IS A HMAKER WATCH ANNOUNCED AS ULTIMATE 1:1 BUT HAS A VERY INACCURATE DIAL WITH “OP” LOGO. BE CAREFUL
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2869&ti= Noob J
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1346 Hmaker N-series non-PIG 2015 version. (Toro’s catalogue wrongly indicates M-series)
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1345 Hmaker J-series V2 PIG 2015 version
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+292&product_id=605 Noob J
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+292&product_id=599 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+292&product_id=80 Hmaker M
(Warning)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+292&product_id=772 Noob N V2
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1831 Hmaker N-series non-PIG 2015 version.
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1830 Hmaker J-series V2 PIG 2015 version
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=110 Noob J
(Warning)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=935Noob N
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12862 Hmaker J-series V2 PIG 2015 version
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=9691 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=9649 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=10592 Hmaker M
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=8586 Hmaker K
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn292j01-radiomir-blackseal-celle-p-16772.html Hmaker J-series PIG 2015 version
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn292j03-292j-blackseal-cerl-p-12434.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn292j01-292j-blackseal-cerl-p-12436.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn292m01-292m-cerle-a6497-p-11411.html Hmaker M
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn292k01-292k-cerle-asian-6497-superlume-p-10221.html Hmaker K
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_13.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7284&id_categoria=3205
***



PAM292-PVDcopiar.jpg


These are replica versions made of SS Brushed PVD coated Matt Black finish.

The gen PAM 292 is the same as PAM 183 but made of Black sandblasted finish Ceramic version.
The gen Black Panerai Radiomir PAM 292 was first introduced in 2007 and it is now slowly making its way to the lucky few on the waiting lists. As opposed to other earlier black Panerai watches - like the Pre V 202/A and 203/A, the PAM 4,9,26, 360 and 195 - this Radiomir is not a PVD coated watch. Its case is Ceramic.
Ceramic is about five times harder than stainless steel and as a result much less prone to scratches. The new Ceramic watches are Panerai's solution for a much more reliable product. But the production process of ceramic watches is much more complicated and time consuming - mainly because the material is so hard. The cases are not molded, but made by machining. This is most likely why it has taken quite long for the first watches to be delivered to their owners. But, it's worth the wait.
There is another interesting detail about this Black Seal. Although the watch is not a Special Edition, the 2008 run does no longer have the little submarine SLC torpedo with two frogman riders- often referred to as the "pig"- on the dial. This seems to make the 2007 J-series a very collectible watch. The J-series is limited to 1000 pieces and another 1500 pieces will be made for the K-series (2008). The gen PAM 292 is part of the Panerai “Historic” Radiomir models, it has a Sandwich black dial in a cushion shaped Radiomir black Ceramic case 45mm, with detachable wire lugs with, seconds@9 sub-dial, Solid caseback and movement Panerai OP XI calibre, ETA based, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.
This replica is made of SS Black PVD coated instead of Black Ceramic and the finish is not like the gen. Sometimes, this replica is even sold more expensive than the equivalent made of Full Ceramic. We must say that PVD version is not at all an advisable purchase and we should go to the Full Ceramic version in every case.



PAM 292
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-brushed-pvd-finish/ 292 SS+PVD coating
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11748-pa0400s-panerai-radiomir-black-seal-black-dial-pvd-lt-asian-6497.html 292 SS+PVD coating
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=3699 292 SS+PVD coating
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_13.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7284&id_categoria=3205
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The gen Radiomir 47mm PAM 294 is a very Special Limited Edition of 49 pieces from year 2010 M-series, with a stunning dark antique brown dial and Dome Plexi crystal. It is, very similar to PAM 232 but with Dome Plexi crystal and Display casebak like the PAM 021.
There is a saga starting in vintage Panerai ”3646” following with PAM 021-PAM 232-PAM 294 and finishing with Luminor PAM 390 as follows:
PAM 232 is based in the vintage Panerai from 1938, “3646” model, with Brown Sandwich dial 12-3-6-9 numerals and sticks and gold hands. This vintage model had solid caseback and Dome Plexi crystal, the PAM 232 has solid caseback too, but has sapphire crystal without dome and has a movement OP X instead of Rolex Cal 318 like the vintage
Before PAM 232, Panerai released the PAM 021 (year 1997, Special Edition of 60 watches) seemingly the same watch, but actually very different because it is made of Platinum, has Display caseback and movement Rolex Cal 618 like the original vintage Panerai watch.
Therefore the PAM 232 is a modern SS version of the PAM 021 made of Platinum. They have very similar Brown Sandwich dial with gold hands, but some experts say that the colour and nuances of the PAM 021 are way better than in the PAM 232.
In 2010 Panerai released the PAM 294, of which we are talking here.
Nowadays in 2011 Panerai has launched a 2000 pieces Special Edition of PAM 390 in case Luminor with solid caseback but with a design and dial based in the vintage 3646, the PAM 232 and PAM 021.
The gen PAM 294 has very special marks and it is important when we are talking about the replicas. The OP number is a new number special for it: OP6675, there is the sentence “OPUS FACERE” engraved in the case between the holes of the detachable wire lug @12, and the brand “PANERAI” engraved in the case in the opposite place @6.
The replica of PAM 294 is an exclusive from DSN catalogue, it has a very exaggerated Dome shape in the Plexi crystal, but it have all correctly engraved information and is a beautiful and quite good rep.



PAM 294
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=64288 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20radiomir%20steel%2047mm%20watches/Pam%20294H/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-294-m-radiomir-special-boutique-limited-edition-only-49-pieces-47mm-stainless-st
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1281786913/Pam294+SE+total+49+units
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (O-series from Noob and H maker)
The PAM 297 has the same structure as PAM 228 but has a Black dial instead of Blue and a SS Bracelet instead of Rubber
The gen PAM 297 is a GMT 2008 K-series with GMT markers in the dial. Panerai changed to inner dial markers from 2000 with the PAM 063, before that the PAM 023 and 029 had GMT markers in the bezel (Explorer type)
Like the PAM 088 it has seconds@9 sub-dial, older models, PAM 023, 029 and 063 have central second hand.
PAM 297 has, like the PAM 088, all silvered and well visible GMT hand, before PAM 088 the models PAM 023, 029 and 063 had a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer was visible.
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
There are cheap replicas fitted with A2813 movements and quite good replicas fitted of A7750, but their quality doesn’t get the level of other GMT Panerai reps. Furthermore, the SS bracelet has quite poor quality than the gen one. So, if you are looking for a Panerai GMT it would be better go to other models like PAM 063 or 237 or better to PAM 088 or 029.



July 2013- Noob releases a PAM 297 O-series (using the dial structure of new PAM 088 and the case and bracelet of the magnificent PAM 299 K-series) with improved cyclops and the same good quality of CG as last Noob releases.
Therefore, we can see that this version get some improvements from V3 Noob case application (mainly almost perfect CG) and, besides, new improvements from last releases 2013 of Noob O-series (PAM 088-104 and 297) as follows:
-More accurate beveled in crystal
-Improved frozen halo in cyclops, although still existent
-Colourless Cyclops
-Improved bevelled on crystal
-Better shape of roller support in CG lever
-"Slim" Crown
Seeing the quality of this replica we can assure that this new Noob PAM 297 O-series is a new Super rep.
More info here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210558 by bclaud
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210723 by chungdy


September 2013- H maker releases a PAM 297 O-series to compete with Noob O-series. It has also improved crystal and Cyclops and extremely flat and good lume application really gen-like.
We can see more info in the review as follows by Polonus:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-quick-review-158869?p=1593381 by PolonusTM
H maker Caseback is really impressive, crystal and dial seem very good with an almost perfect lume very gen-like, Case, bracelet and bezel finish are very nice.
The only disappointment of Hmaker version is the CG. It really is not at the level of the rest. Not only inner corners are rounded it has also rounded inner edges. Anyway at real size all will improve
Comparing H maker and Noob, I would consider to compensate the possible better lume and crystal with a worse CG.
In any case two true Super reps at similar level of quality
If you like bracelets PAM 297 O-series Noob or H maker is a good candidate for a first replica



PAM 297
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam297-o-11-noob-best-edition-on-stainless-steel-bracelet-/ Noob O
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14285-14285.html Noob O
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=297&product_id=855 Noob O
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1230 Noob O
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=11168 Hmaker O
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn297o01-297o-ssss-black-a7750-28800bph-p-14788.html Hmaker O
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_186.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7895&id_categoria=37
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (K-series Noob)
The gen PAM 299 is a model introduced in 2008 K-series and comes with a SS bracelet New Panerai model all brushed.
This watch started in K-series fitted with a dial similar to PAM 104 but with bolder markers and the inscription L SWISS MADE L in two parts placed in each side of the 6 marker. But from N-series the dial is the same as PAM 104 with inscription L SWISS MADE L complete under the 6 maker and thiner markers.
This watch is similar to PAM 104 but comes with brushed case and SS bracelet. It is also similar to the PAM 220 but this last watch has old model SS Panerai bracelet. There is a version of PAM 299 in 40mm: the PAM 298.
All above mentioned watches are fitted with the OP III movement.
There are replicas of this watch from Noob factory including correct CG, correct Cyclops and date font. But it is interesting to say that Noob has introduced a specially decorated movement more accurate to the OP III.
We can consider this replica as a Super rep due to its great quality and decorated movement.
This replica has not circles (or they are hidden by the paint) in Subdial @9.
Read some discussion about this rep PAM 299 K-series and N-series here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=112590 by AHX
See good pictorials here:

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=202564 by Ace35
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=141475 by walden


PAM 299
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam299-k-11-noob-best-edition-a7750/ Noob K
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13713-pam299-k-luminor-marina-black-ss-ss-noobfactory-best-asian-7750.html Noob K
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2717&ti= Noob K
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1065 Noob K
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_187.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7894&id_categoria=35
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (O-series Noob & H maker) Noob is the best option
The gen PAM 299 is a model introduced in 2008 K-series and comes with a SS bracelet New Panerai model all brushed.
This watch started in K-series fitted with a dial similar to PAM 104 but with bolder markers and the inscription L SWISS MADE L in two parts placed in each side of the 6 marker. But from N-series the dial is the same as PAM 104 with inscription L SWISS MADE L complete under the 6 maker and thinner markers.
This watch is similar to PAM 104 but comes with brushed case and SS bracelet. It is also similar to the PAM 220 but this last watch has old model SS Panerai bracelet. There is a version of PAM 299 in 40mm: the PAM 298.
All above mentioned watches are fitted with the OP III movement.
There are replicas of this watch from H maker including correct CG, correct Cyclops and date font. But this replica has not introduced the same specially decorated movement more accurate to the OP III like Noob factory has done in K-series. For this reason we cannot consider a future upgrading to Super rep.
We can consider this replica as a First Class rep.
Read some discussion about this rep PAM 299 N-series and K-series here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=112590 by AHX
A good review here:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=134617 by PolonusTM
More info here:

http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=53903 by 300kph
Concerning the issue in second sub-dial @9 of this H maker version with possible concentric circles in this sub-dial. It is, most likely a false alarm due to different quantity of paint in the replica manufacture, because the Subdial is milled in the material of the dial and then the subdial surface has like concentric circles marks from the milling tool.
Starting Mars 2013 an study and interesting investigation by PolonusTM, studying the PAM 243 has established the origin of the matter: All observations for PAM 243 are valid for PAm 299.

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1337195&postcount=9 by PolonusTM
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1337778&postcount=11by PolonusTM
Following Polonus statements:

"Now I know that gen 243 and 299 models HAVE concentric circles on subdials but the amount, viscosity and surface tension of paint layer varies and, most of the times, covers these circles and make them look semi-flat. When You flush gen dial with paint remover, they appear if full galore. They are not stamped but just micro-milled hence circles. Probably all PAM dials with subdials have them like that. So it is paint layer what rep makers get wrong."
The gen and the rep have both a very edged subdial contour, we can say that