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Replica Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection


ADVICE: Before using this PAM Review-Guide, it is strongly recommended carefully reading Part II and the beginning of Part III (Introduction, Presentation and Organization of data), in order to well understand all terms and data included.
You will need to read it few minutes but will save a lot of time and get effectiveness in the future use of the Guide.


INDEX
Part I- PANERAI BRIEF HISTORY
- OFFICINE PANERAI TODAY
- ORIGIN OF PANERAI
- SUCCESS OF PANERAI

Part II- STAGES IN PANERAI PRODUCTION, CASE TYPES, MOVEMENTS AND ENGRAVING OF PANERAI WATCHES
1- STAGES IN PANERAI PRODUCTION
1.1- Vintage models
1.2- Pre-Vendôme models
1.3- Vendôme models - Pre-A models
2- PANERAI CASE TYPES AND SHAPES
2.1- Luminor Case
2.2- Luminor 1950 Case
2.3- Radiomir Case
3- PANERAI MOVEMENTS
4- CASEBACK ENGRAVED INFORMATION OF A PANERAI WATCH.
4.1- Engraving replicas
4.2- Engraving Pre-A watches

Part III- REVIEW-GUIDE of Panerai Replicas–Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection
5- REVIEW-GUIDE OF PANERAI REPLICAS
5.1- INTRODUCTION
5.2- PRESENTATION AND ORGANIZATION OF WATCHES DATA
5.3- GUIDE Section A - with REVIEW and additional information
Panerai Replica Review-Guide arranged in numerical order from PAM 000 to PAM 425
5.4- GUIDE Section B
Paneari Replica Guide arranged by PAM Types and Related watches
-Luminor Base
-Luminor Marina
-Luminor Marina Automatic 40mm
-Luminor Marina Automatic 44mm
-Luminor with Hunter lid
-Luminor Power Reserve
-Luminor GMT 44mm
-Luminor Chrono 40mm
-Luminor Chrono 44mm
-Luminor 1950 Manual wind
-Luminor 1950 Automatic
-Luminor 1950 GMT
-Luminor 1950 Chrono
-Luminor Submersible 44mm
-Luminor Submersible 1950 44mm
-Luminor Submersible 1950 47mm
-Radiomir Base 45mm
-Radiomir Black Seal 45mm
-Radiomir Base 47mm
-Radiomir Titanium 47mm
-Radiomir Power Reserve
-Radiomir Chrono 42mm
-Radiomir Chrono 45mm
-Radiomir 1940
-Radiomir Egiziano
-Radiomir Mare Nostrum


5.5- GUIDE Section C – PAM GUIDE EXCEL TABLE


6- OEM & AFTERMARKET STRAPS FOR PANERAI WATCHES

6.1- Wrist perimeter and strap dimensions
6.2- Links to Panerai OEM straps
6.3- Links to Panerai Aftermarket straps
- RWI Strap Trusted Dealers
- Recommended Strap Makers of this PAM REVIEW-GUIDE
- The Definitive Strap List (RWI Thread by jb)
- Spanish Strap Makers
- Other Strap Makers
6.4- How to change the strap in a Panerai watch
6.5- Watch-Strap Combo Gallery – Ideas, Clues

AKNOWLEDGEMENTS

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Part I- PANERAI BRIEF HISTORY

OFFICINE PANERAI TODAY
Officine Panerai Marketing e Communicazioni Srl, a wholly owned subsidiary of Compagnie Financière Richemont S.A., designs, manufactures, markets and sells watches under the Officine Panerai brand through authorized dealers and company-owned boutiques worldwide.
Richemont group owns the following watch brands: Baume & Mercier, Cartier, Dunhill, IWC, Jaeger LeCoultre, Lange, Montblanc, Officine Panerai, Piaget, Vacheron Constantin and Van Cleef & Arpels.
Officine Panerai maintains its headquarters in Florence but manufactures watches inNeuchâtel, Switzerland using both movement manufactured in-house (“Manifattura”) movements and manufactured by other movement makers. See Section 3-PANERAI MOVEMENTS.

THE ORIGIN OF PANERAI
Giovanni Panerai (1825–1897) founded Officine Panerai in Florence, Italy in 1860. By 1900, under the leadership of the founder's grandson Guido Panerai (1873–1934), Officine Panerai had become an official supplier to the Regia Marina (the Royal Italian Navy), supplying watches and precision instruments.
Panerai watches of this time consisted of a cases designed and manufactured by Panerai and movement made by Swiss manufacturers including Rolex S.A.
The Florence-based watchmaker produced wrist worn diving instruments and about 300 watches, all for the Italian Marina Militare, between 1938 and 1993. Panerai watches played a role in assisting the frogmen of the Decima Flottiglia MAS in their operations during World War II.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKoNv0HqGPM&feature=player_embedded

In 1960 Panerai presented the patent of the typical Panerai Crown Lock system, a characteristic element in a Luminor Paneari watch.
http://www.paneristi.com/archives/patent/index.html

In 1993, the company ceased to provide watches to the Marina Militare, as they were neither cost-effective nor met the naval specifications. It then moved to launch its products to the civilian market.
The actor Sylvester Stallone spotted and bought a Panerai Luminor in a jewellers in Rome in 1995 to wear during shooting of the film Daylight. Stallone ordered a small batch of such watches with his signature on the case back, called Slytech, offering some as gifts to friends.
The brands rising popularity caught the attention of the Vendôme group (now Richemont), which acquired Officine Panerai in 1997. At auction and in the collectors market, some of these older models, particularly those produced in the 1940s and '50s have sold for high prices.
For more information visit the Official Panerai site web:
http://www.panerai.com/s_storia.xpd?mode=read_item&id_lingua=2&id_sezione =2&id_item=53&anno=1860


THE PANERAI SUCCESS

The distinctive look and limited production – Great collectability
The modern Panerai have hit the nail right on the head when it comes to creating a cult watch with great collectability.
The Panerai watches have very distinctive striking looks, they are produced in relatively small numbers, and every year there are unique editions of truly different watches, not simply a rehash of last year's model with a subtly different dial. For these limited or special editions Paneari produces fewer watches than the market demands. Retailers may only receive a few limited edition pieces each per year and there are long waiting lists for popular models.

The Lume
All Panerai watches due to their original application in military diving activities have very good “Lume”. This feature gives to the Panerai watches a very special attraction among the fans.

The Panerai Straps
Furthermore, you can change completely the look of your Panerai just changing the strap. Almost all Panerai models accept every type of strap and you can adapt the style of your watch to your taste or to all situations and environments.
There is a huge range and a lot of Strap types for Panerai watches in the market.
Panerai Watches are especially prepared for an easy change of the strap. You can literally change the watch in few minutes. See Section 6- OEM & AFTERMARKET STRAPS FOR PANERAI WATCHES

Panerai fans: The “Paneristi”
Panerai watches have many fans around the world that are known as “Paneristi”

Part II- STAGES IN PANERAI PRODUCTION, CASE TYPES AND ENGRAVING OF PANERAI WATCHES

1- STAGES IN PANERAI PRODUCTION
There are three main stages in the production of Panerai watches as follows:

1.1- VINTAGE MODELS
The Paneari Vintage watches are the models produced from 1936 to 1993.
Really, from 1956 to 1993, merely a few prototypes were made.
It is not the target of this Thread to deal with the complete Panerai history. Therefore we will send you to:
http://paneristi.com/reference/vintage.html
http://rolexblog.blogspot.com.es/2008/09/book-review-100-superlative-rolex_431.html
http://www.vintagepanerai.com/

1.2- PRE-VENDÔME MODELS
The Pre- Vendôme Panerai watches are the models made between the "rebirth" of Panerai in 1993 to the acquisition of the company by the Vendôme group (now Richemont) in 1997. These watches are very collectible and command an extremely high price on the secondary market.
The basic Pre-Vendôme range consisted of some 44mm hand-wind watches with the classic 44mm Luminor case, and some 42mm Mare Nostrum chronographs. The line also included limited edition Slytech watches, endorsed or commissioned (depending on who you believe) by the film star Sylvester Stallone. The Slytechs are distinguished by the signature of Mr Stallone engraved on the caseback, and some writing on the dial.
All the pre- Vendôme models came on straps with the large "bottle opener" or "fancy" buckle, although the Mare Nostrum buckles were smaller than the full-sized ones.
Most watches came in an oak box, with additional paperwork and straps, however the Slytechs came in a very large box with all manner of gadgets such as the miniature submarine model.
http://www.paneristi.com/archives/mns_review/index.html
The numbers given in the below link (from paneristi.com) for production volumes have been verified as much as possible, and may not necessarily agree with numbers on watch casebacks, rather they are based on actual productions achieved instead of planned productions
http://paneristi.com/reference/prevendome.html
More information in Official web Panerai.
http://www.panerai.com/s_arch_storia.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=2&id_cat_ archivio=64&mode=search

THE PANERAI PRE-VENDÔME MODELS


1.3- VENDÔME MODELS
The Vendôme Panerai watches are the models produced since the acquisition of Officine Panerai by the Vendôme group in 1997.
Panerai has four major lines of Vendôme watches: Historic, Contemporary, Specialties (or Manifattura) and Special Editions.
Most watches are produced in a limited run (normally of 500, 1000, 2000 or 4000 units) and carry an issue number on the case back. Panerai issues Special Editions every year. See Section 4- CASEBACK ENGRAVED INFORMATION OF A PANERAI WATCH.

These models are the Panerai watches which we will study in this Thread and they are the most numerous, known and popular Panerai watches for people in general.

The Pre-A models
Before the A and B-series (years 1998-1999), it is usually unknown that Officine Panerai issued three (some would say four) small series of watches PAM 001 (Luminor Marina), 002 (Luminor), 003 (white dial Luminor Marina), 004 (PVD Luminor Marina), 009 (PVD Luminor) and 010 (white dial Luminor) to test the market and generate media attention before real production was on its way. Most of these watches were destined to be primarily sold on the Italian, Swiss and German markets. Officine Panerai did so in 1997 and 1998. These, largely unknown, series are now called "Pre-A" series. Simply because they pre-date the 1998 A-series as we all know them.
See below in this thread:
Section 4- CASEBACK ENGRAVED INFORMATION OF A PANERAI WATCH. Paragraph 3) A single English character – Year designator Prefix of the watch.
Section 4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES)
There are very good (and correctly engraved !!) replicas of these watches from DSN.



2- PANERAI CASE TYPES AND SHAPES
Source: Paneraisource.com

2.1- LUMINOR Case

Probably the most popular of the case styles, the Panerai Luminor case is also the most contemporary looking of all the Panerai watches. With relatively speaking more straight edges the Luminor case style is found in two sizes: 40mm and 44mm.
The Luminor case has the Device Protecting the Crown (Crown Guard) which has become one of the most recognizable Panerai trademarks.


2.2- LUMINOR 1950 Case

The Luminor 1950 case style is similar to the standard Luminor from the front, but when viewed from the side and the back, the differences are apparent. The case side sweep back gracefully giving it a vintage look, but a little more contemporary looking than say a Radiomir.
The Luminor 1950 style case can also have a uniquely shaped crystal that is domed in an unusual way, very much like the old vintage acrylic Plexi crystals. Not all 1950's cases share this heavily domed crystal. Some feature a more gentle curve resembling the standard Luminor case. This case style also has the Device Protecting the Crown (Crown Guard).The models with the 1950's style case are available in two sizes: 44mm and 47mm.
The models in this case style also tend to be a bit more expensive as they are not available in base models or even minor complications.

In the below picture you can see the shape differences between the two above mentioned Paneari cases.

SHAPE DIFFERENCES- LUMINOR CASE VS. LUMINOR 1950 CASE


2.3- RADIOMIR Case

The Radiomir model has perhaps the richest history and comes in the most varieties of case sizes: 42mm, 43mm, 45mm, 46mm and 47mm. Most of the more obscure sizes were used only a handful of times in special editions. The case is rounded and curved with a very vintage look to it.
The Radiomir models do not have a Device Protecting the Crown like the Luminors do, and have "wire lugs" which connect the strap to the case quite differently than most watches nowadays do.



3- PANERAI MOVEMENTS

Officine Panerai have never made a secret of using third-party movements for their watches. Rather they emphasise the fact that they take proven, reliable stock movements, and then transform, or "Panerise" them with additional mechanical and cosmetic features. There are Panerai movements based in: Rolex, Angelus, ETA, Valjoux, Soprod, Zenith, Frédérique Piguet, JLC …

However, starting in 2006, Panerai created their own line of in-house “Manifattura” movements.

MOVEMENTS IN PANERAI WATCHES

The special decoration of the modified movements and the magnificent and complicated “Manifattura” movements are the big headache for the replica makers, mainly when the PAM to copy has a display caseback

PANERAI “MANIFATTURA” MOVEMENTS

For all information about the movements used in Panerai watches you can consult the three links as follows:

-PaneariSource: Descriptions and features of all movements indicating the watches fitted with them
http://www.paneraisource.com/panerai_movements.shtml
-Paneristi: Descriptions and features of Panerai movements until 2007
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/mvmt/index.html
-Panerai Official site: Descriptions and features of Panerai in-house “Manifattura” movements
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=37

PANERAI “MANIFATTURA” MOVEMENTS



4- CASEBACK ENGRAVED INFORMATION OF A PANERAI WATCH.

You can find below the interpretation of the characters and numbers engraved in the caseback of a Panerai watch

1) OP XXXX – Case No.
OP attached with a four-digit number represents the Case No. of this watch. Panerai models resemble each other in most cases with little differences. Meanwhile, differences in these figures mean that their cases are of different models. They differ from each other in external appearance and material as well as the internal structure. The case number on seemingly identical watches can occasionally change from year to year, presumably because of some microscopic change, or perhaps the case comes from a different manufacturer.

2) BB XXXXXXX or PB XXXXXXX – Serial number of the watch
This group of numbers is the serial number or reference of the watch, which is equivalent to the identity card number and increments with production. The newer the watch, the higher the number. For each different watch, this number will be different.

3) A single English character – Year designator Prefix of the watch
Panerai watches are dated by a letter that appears before the production number. The watch shown in the example above is an “K” production year, which is approximately 2008. The following are the approximate years of production that the letter indicates:

Without Prefix - Vintage: 1936-1956
Without Prefix - Pre-V: 1993-1997
Vendôme
Without Prefix - Pre-A: 1997-1998
A: 1998
B: 1999
C: 2000
D: 2001
E: 2002
F: 2003
G: 2004
H: 2005
I: 2006
J: 2007
K: 2008
L: 2009
M: 2010
N: 2011
O: 2012
P: 2013

From 1956 to 1993, merely a few prototypes were made.

4) XXXX/---- Numbers right behind the Year designator Prefix number – Production number of the watch.
This number represents the order number of the watch under the prefix in a particular given year. When the model is fixed, these numbers composed with the prefix constitute a unique and definite combination.
If the watch is from F series or later, this indicates the production number of this particular watch for a designated year. The above example is 823 of 1000, which means that 1000 units of this very specific model were produced in that year and this is number 823.
If the watch is from A to E series, then this indicates the production number of all dial and case variations of a particular watch. So if the example was 354 of 1000 for an E series Luminor Base, it would mean that all Luminors Base (White dial, Black dial, PVD, Brushed, Polished, etc) had a total production of 1000.

5) -----/XXXX The number after the slash – The annual total of this model
This number represents the total production number of this kind of watch under the prefix in a particular given year. This is a limited edition for Panerai now. Generally speaking, the smaller the number is, the more precious these watches will be, and thus the higher market price they are.
Linking into the following website, you may get some reference information about the productivity of Panerai each year.
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/sortable_database/millesimation.html

6) The fish symbol and XXXm – waterproof mark of the watch
The fish symbol and figure represent the waterproof capacity of this watch. It says 300 meters in the picture.
Contemporarily, waterproof standard of Panerai can be classified as following:
30 meters, 100 meters, 120 meters, 300 meters, 1,000 meters, 2,500 meters.


4.1- ENGRAVING REPLICAS
Concerning the production of replicas it is important bear in mind these systems of caseback engraving, because if the maker is not careful could engrave a wrong or impossible identification number, denouncing immediately we have a replica in our hands.


4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES
It is very interesting and a little complicated the numeration system followed for the Pre-A Panerai watches, but it has fixed rules interesting to know them. It is very important to know the engraving systems of the Pre-A watches in order to understand the careful job done, at this regard, by a maker-dealer like DSN.
DSN dealer is the only maker producing and engraving correctly the Pre-A series.
The Pre-a series of Panerai have three productions with different rules of engraving.

1000 units of PAM 001,002,003,004,009,010 were launched in the first series production of Pre-A series and with two different cases OP6500 and after that OP6502

a) Case OP6500 Pre-A first bach of the first series
They started with serial number BB97001.
It is fairly easy to identify a pre-A watch of the first series. For OP 6500 Pre-A's, the last four digits of the BB-number or serial number should equal the four digits of the production number. The relationship between serial number (BB) and production (0XXX/1000) is always consistent and logical. This last principle holds true for all Pre-A's.
For example, the oldest known of this series is a Pre-A PVD PAM 009 BB970007 – 0007/1000, fondly known as the Bond (007) Panerai. It is just the seventh Vendôme Panerai ever produced. Please note the 0007 of the serial number and the 0007 of the production number are the same.
Another example could be:
OP6500For
BB970499
0499/1000
In this case 0499 are the same in serial and production number.

In above picture you can see another gen Pre-A watch with OP6500 case. In this case are the serial and production number 0099.

b) Case OP6502 Pre-A watches of the second batch of the first series.
Between these two batches a) and b) of Luminor and Luminor Marina, 400 Mare Nostrum were produced. Then 400 serial numbers were reserved for these Mares.
In this case the last four digits of the BB serial number minus 400 (due to 400 Mare Nostrum), should equal the four digits of the production number
For example:
OP 6502
BB971294
0894/1000
Again, the relationship between serial number and production number is always consistent and logical.

In above picture you can see a Pre-A series replica from DSN with OP6502 case. In this case the production number is 0123 equal as serial number 0523 minus 400.
Again, the relationship between serial number and production number is always consistent and logical.

c) The Second Pre-A OP 6502 Series - Pre-A's with wrong Year Prefix "A".
Immediately after the 1000 Historical collection Luminors and Luminor Marinas, and well after the 400 numbers reserved for the Mare Nostrums, around serial number BB971400, a second series of Luminors and Luminor Marinas saw the light of day. Again, in total, 1000 OP 6502 PAM 001, 002, 003, 004, 009 and 010 were planned, but this time only about 300 watches were actually made.
The second series of a 1000 watches (or to be more specific 300) is known as the pre-A series WITH prefix "A". Is this contradictory? Not at all, see the above comments by Dirk Grandry. While these watches do have prefix "A", they definitely are pre-A models. They can easily be distinguished from regular A-series models by their serial number. Again, there is a consistent logic between the BB- serial number and the production number.
For all Luminor Marinas within this batch (PAM 001, 003 and 004) it is even easier to tell. The production number format for Pre-A here is A0XXX/1000, where for A-series Luminor Marinas the format should read AXXXX/1500. This is the reason why it is possible to have a PAM 001 Luminor Marina with an A-prefixed millesimation of a 1000 pieces. In the regular A-series ONLY Luminors (bases) have a millesimation limited to 1000, while of the Luminor Marina A-series, 1500 were made. Likewise, an "A" prefixed Luminor with a matriculation number higher than 300 cannot be a Pre-A watch.
For Pre-A OP 6502 watches with prefix "A", the last four digits of the BB-serial number minus 1400, should equal the four digits of the production number.
OP 6502
BB971621
A0221/1000.
Where 221=1621-1400

In above picture you can see a gen Pre-A series with OP6502 case and with prefix “A”. In this case the production number is 0018 equal as serial number 1418 minus 1400. Again, the relationship between serial number and production number is always consistent and logical.
It is important to say that, as far as I know, the Pre-A replicas DSN meet all requirements concerning engraving rules of Pre-A models.




Part III- REVIEW-GUIDE of Panerai Replicas–Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection

5- REVIEW-GUIDE OF PANERAI REPLICAS

5.1-INTRODUCTION

This PAM REVIEW-GUIDE has been performed in order to be used as a GUIDE, both beginners and experts, to achieve several objectives as follows:

- Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection of a Panerai replica model meeting the specifications, features, colours, quality, materials or finishes that buyer is trying to find.
- Knowing the features and interesting data of the gens and replicas of a particular PAM model
- Knowing the general quality and Evaluation of a replica in comparison with the gen watch
- Making comparisons of features between several models of PAM replicas


Models on which this PAM REVIEW –GUIDE is focused
We only have studied and you will find just Panerai Replica data, whenever they have a minimum level of quality and models in question are not a "fantasy". The PAM REVIEW-GUIDE specializes in VENDÔME models after the acquisition of Panerai in 1997 by Vendôme Group (now Richemont).

This study is a REVIEW-GUIDE of Panerai REPLICA watches. It is NOT a GUIDE of Panerai ORIGINAL GEN watches.
If you want a Panerai Gen models GUIDE, we can consult:
Official Web Panerai:
http://www.panerai.com
PaneraiSource
http://www.paneraisource.com
Paneristi:
http://paneristi.com
However, in the study of each PAM replica we are indicating the links to models and gen websites. So, we can make appropriate comparisons and to know interesting data about each particular gen model


5.2- PRESENTATION AND ORGANIZATION OF WATCHES DATA – USING THE GUIDES

5.2.1- Two groups of information for each model
We will use two groups of information to show and organize the data and main features of each Pam model.

You can see below the Review-Guide information concerning the PAM 177:

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M&N-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-series Noob)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N & P-series Noob) best option after P-series improved V4
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (P-series Noob improved V4) best option from January 2015 if you get it
The PAM 177 is the same as PAM 176 but with seconds@9.
The PAM 177 is like a version full Brushed Titanium of a PAM 111
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Marina used the OP II movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Marina now contains the OP XI movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
Threfore the gen PAM 177 released in 2004 G-series has OP XI movement and Display caseback.
Both PAM 176-177 with the PAM 306 (Low grade replica) are the only PAM Luminor made of Titanium and with Sandwich dial.
Talking about Titanium gen Panerais, the PAM 177 (like the PAM 176) doesn’t have the charism, the part of legitimity and History that the PAM 036 and 040 have. But concerning replicas, the PAM 176 and 177 are the simplest and the best Titanium PAM replicas at this moment. Reps M-series from H maker are Super reps.

July 2012 -there is a M-series version from Noob evaluated as a Super rep. too

Mars 2013 -there is a version N-series from Noob, seemingly with all improvements of last versions from this maker (models like Pam 111 V3), evaluated as a Super rep.
A good candidate for a first Panerai replica, but be careful because Titanium gets easily scratched.
Nice review with complete and nice pictorial of a PAM 176 which is almost the same as PAM 177 (but without seconds @9 subdial) here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=181725 by kilowattore

July 2014- Noob releases a rep PAM 177 P-series. No improvements announced and by the pics actually there are not modifications, just the engravings on caseback and the Pre-V type hands appropriate for P-series.
No evaluation changes: Super rep.
Many delaers have not changed their catalogues and are still indicating N-series, but you can receive N or P-series (M-series is most likely sold out) depending on the stock of your dealer and the production date of your watch.

2015 NOTE- Since Noob introduced in January 2015 a PAM 176 P-series with some improvements, we could expect (from January 2015) the same with Noob PAM 177 P-series, but neither PAM 176 nor PAM 177 improvements were officially announced by Noob or dealers. Therefore they are not obligated to give those improvements.
Anyway is interesting to know that we could receive an impoved PAM 177 P-series with a bit of luck.
No changes in evaluation but this improved P-series would be clearly the best option available in January 2015.

WARNING REMARKS: From December 2014, Noob, H maker and KW-V6Fac introduced new casesets for Luminor Bettarini 44mm. With improved lug shape, better lug contours, better overall finish, better and nicer CGs. Noob corrected the bevelled of crystals and introduced “slim” Crowns. The main problem is that makers still have “old” parts and are mixing those “old” parts with “new” parts in the current productions.
You should be careful with QC pics in order to know what you are actually receiving.

A good candidate for a first Panerai replica, but be careful because Titanium gets easily scratched.

REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-black-oem-rubber-strap/ Noob N-P
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-black-croco-leather-strap/ Noob N-P
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap/ Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12518-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-ru-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12517-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12521-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12403-pa7570b-pam177-n-h-factory-black-dial-ti-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker N
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12370-pa7220b-pam111-m-h-factory-black-dial-ti-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(**)http://www.2015asian.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2952 Noob N
(**)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3199 Noob P-series
(**)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=2952 Hmaker N
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+177&product_id=566 Noob P (**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=111 Noob N-P
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=8701 Hmaker N
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn177n02a-tileblk-p-12133.html Hmaker N
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_9.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3 068&id_categoria=34


As you can see above there are two groups of information for the watch:
- A Data Table (light green frame)
- Review & Interesting Additional Information (below the Data Table)

Data Table for each model contains:
- PAM No. gen identification
- Series Type and Model name of the gen PAM
- 5 photographs showing different positions and details of the replica
- Characteristics and colour of the dial, texture and lume application type
- Finishes and materials of the bezel and case
- Caseback Type: Solid or Display
- Movement of the replica
- Dimensions of the replica: diameter x thickness in mm
- Width between lugs in mm
- Observations of interest

Review & Additional information for each model contains:
- EVALUATION of the replica and some comparisons
- Interesting Auxiliary information about the replica and gen of each PAM model and related watches.
- Links of the most interesting replicas of the PAM model.
- Links to the original websites of gen PAM model which the replica we are studying.

EVALUATION OF REPLICAS
Concerning evaluation of repicas we have made a classification in three levels:
SUPER REPS – reps very close to the gen in materials, external look (even in side by side comparison), and reliable
FIRST CLASS REPS- reps very close to the gen and reliable, but with some difference in materials, functions… or little differences in external look or colours only remarkable in side by side comparisons.
BAD-LOW GRADE REPS- reps with evident differences with the gen, different materials, functions, colours, very different movement with a display caseback. In general all replicas which have not any good version and are not at all recommendable to buy them.
I will consider the rest of non classified replicas as GOOD OR MEDIUM GRADE REPS
Therefore, all the reps without classification are good o medium grade rep, but usually we will recommend other replicas to buy when we are considering such a type of replicas.

As you can see this "Evaluation system" is not very strict and there is not a fix rule and less an exact DEFINITION.

Please TAKE the EVALUATIONS as a SIMPLE GUIDE to know something about the quality of a replica.

With the complete information of each PAM model, we have created a Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection REVIEW-GUIDE of PAM replicas that consists of THREE SECTIONS in which the data is arranged in three different ways.

Section A-Data Tables arranged in numerical order of PAM No.
This arrangement allows you to find the Data Table of a Paneari replica model immediately, knowing its reference PAM No., because they are placed from lowest to highest PAM No.

Section B-The same Data Tables but arranged by Type Series Panerai (Luminor Base, Luminor Marina, GMT, Submersible, etc ...) and within each series ordered by similar or related models, in order to easier select the best model which fits to our needs.

Section C- Data arranged in an Excel Table.
This arrangement will allow you using the Excel functions and the Excel software abilities for Search, Identification and Selection purposes.


5.2.2-Using the Guides
As we have already commented previously, these three Sections of the Guide will allow us the Search, Identification, Evaluation and Selection of a specific PAM rep or a model which meets the features we wish.

Using the Section A of the Guide, we will be able to know that a PAM 228 is a Luminor GMT, model Firenze, with Blue dial, type “sausage” lume application, brushed SS case, polished SS bezel, solid caseback, dimensions 44x16,5mm, lug 24mm. We can see also in the Guide that PAM 228 is the same as PAM 297 but with blue dial and rubber strap instead of SS bracelet. Moreover we will have several links to know perfectly the history and features of the gen Pam 228 and the most known and interesting reps in the market for this model.

In the same way in case we are looking for a PAM replica which has:
- Black Sandwich dial type
- Brushed Luminor 1950 case
- Polished bezel
- Automatic movement
Using the Guide Section B or better the Excel Table Section C, searching for replicas with Luminor 1950 case, we find five models which meet these requirements:

- PAM 328 made of SS, SS bracelet
- PAM 312 made of SS, leather strap
- PAM 320 made of SS, GMT, leather strap
- PAM 329 made of SS, GMT, SS bracelet
- PAM 233 made of SS, GMT, Power Reserve indicator

Now, within these five models which meet the starting requirements we will make the final selection, following our personal taste or feeling.
If we don’t want GMT function we will go to PAM 328 or 312 depending on our preferences about leather strap or SS bracelet.
If we like the GMT models, will choose either PAM 320 or 329 depending on the strap we want: leather or SS bracelet.
If we prefer a more complicated watch or dial with GMT function and Power Reserve indicator we will choose the PAM 233.
And in this way we will arrive to the best choice that meets our requirements.


GLOSSARY
Automatic (movement)- Movement which has a mechanical device to be winded automatically
Bracelet-Metallic strap for watches usually made of links
Brushed- Finish obtained by brushing a surface by abrasive particles in the same direction
Carbon fiber dial- Dial with appearance (or texture) or made of Carbon fiber.
Clou de Paris- It is a type of texture engraved in the surface of a Panerai dial
Composite- Panerai Composite is a material that is the result of an electrochemical process of Ceramization of Aluminium. This material is harder than SS and Titanium and it is even up to 40% harder than ceramic. Its weight is much lighter too.
Cyclops- Lens placed either in the crystal or in the dial to magnify the font of the date in order to make easier its reading.
Date adjustment @10- Device to change the date by a pusher @10 instead of the crown. No functional in 7750 movements only operative for 7753 movements.
Diver markers- Engraving in bezel or dial used to measure the time of immersions in diving
DLC coating- DLC or Diamond-Like Carbon coating is the highest quality in coating, the most durable and hardest to scratch. The coating is done with the bonding of high energy percursive carbon rapidly cooled down on the surface. DLC coatings are made by the PVD process and it is actually a high grade of PVD coatings. See PVD coating.
Display caseback- See-through caseback, it allows to see the movement
Dome crystal- Dome shaped crystal. Sometimes the Panerai domed crystal is made of Plexiglass.
DSN- Reduced name of Davidsen maker-dealer of famous, accurate and carefully engraved Panerai replicas of several stages of Panerai production.
Helium valve- A Helium release valve, or Helium escape valve, as it is also called, is a feature found on some diving watches. It provides functionality for professional divers operating at great depths for prolonged periods of time or under saturation.
Hobnail- It is a type of texture engraved in the surface of a Panerai dial
Flat dial- Dial with non textured or engraved surface
Lume- It is the system used for timepieces to be read in the dark, a luminescent material is laid on the dial indexes and hands.
Luminova- Modern luminescent material currently used for the lume in the Panerai watches
Manual (movement)- Movement which needs to be winded manually
NSEW (bezel)- Engraving in bezel, meaning North-South-East-West, used to determine the cardinal points
Patina Lume- Sometimes the luminescent material of a lume achieve an aged colour (patina) by the passage of time. You can use an aged lume colour (patina lume) to simulate the patina of an old dial.
Polished- Finish similar to a mirror
PVD coating- Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD) is the method used to deposit thin layers of material by condensation of vapor in a high temperature and vacuum environment. Better by far than a Painting treatment. See DLC coating.
Sandblasted- Finish obtained (or similar to obtained) by applying a jet of abrasive sand under pressure (sandblasted) over a surface. The finish is similar to a matt ceramic.
Sandwich (dial)- Sandwich dials are where numbers and minute markers are cut out of the metal plate which forms the visible dial (behind the crystal). Behind this is a second metal plate with recessed areas where a thick luminous paste is applied, the areas corresponding to the cut-outs in the first metal plate, thus “sandwiching” the luminous material between the two metal plates.
Sausage (dial)- It is a dial with just one layer where the luminescent material is applied directly over the dial markers (usually embossed) and the final appearance is like a “sausage”. By extension we have called Sausage all non Sandwich dials
Solid caseback- Caseback opaque or non see-through, this type of caseback doesn’t allow to see the movement
SS- Stainless Steel
Tachymeter- Engraving in bezel or dial used to speed measurementsd.
Tritium (lume-dial)- It is the name used to nominate the dials which have a Luminescent material based in Tritium. Used by Panerai from 1946.
Tuxedo- It is a type of texture (parallel lines like) engraved in the surface of a Panerai dial (PAM 029)
Woven- It is a type of texture engraved in the surface of a Panerai dial

REVIEW - GUIDES
See below (next posts)

 

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REVIEW - GUIDES

GUIDE Section A
5.3- GUIDE Section A - with REVIEW and additional information
Panerai Replica Review-Guide placed in numerical order from PAM 000 to PAM 425

ADVICE: Before using this PAM REVIEW-GUIDE, it is strongly recommended carefully reading Part II and the beginning of Part III (Introduction, Presentation and Organization of data), in order to well understand all terms and data included.
You will need to read it few minutes but will save a lot of time and get effectiveness in the future use of the Guide.

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N-series Noob) (from the end 2012 version called V2.5 with 111 V3 improvements the best available at this moment)
The PAM 000 is the same as PAM 005 but without seconds@9 subdial
There are more watches related to PAM 000:
PAM 002 is similar but with Tritium dial and without logo
PAM 009 has similar structure but is PVD coated and has Tritium dial without logo.
PAM 360 is also a Logo and has similar structure but is PVD coated and has patina lume. Moreover this watch is a very special Unique Edition (see Pam 360)
If you are looking for a clean and basic Panerai watch similar to PAM 000 and you want a more “warm” version, you have the PAM 390 Boutique Edition with Brown Sausage dial and gold hands.
The PAM 000, aka “Zero” or “Logo”, is a called Luminor “Base” model (only hour and minute hands in the dial), is the more basic watch of the Luminor series, faithful to the heritage of pre-Vendome Panerai the original Logo 5218-201/A.
"Logo" was also the nickname that collectors used when referring to the Pre-Vendome 5218-201/A base model. That watch too has the OP logo on the dial and the current PAM 000 resembles the 201/A quite a bit. The value of the original Logo is of course 10 to 20 times higher and hard to find as it has become a true collectors item in the last few years. But bear in mind that it will not be easy either getting a new PAM 000 from an AD.
PAM 000 is very appreciate for its simplicity, the logo is its only concession.
The high price and collectible pre-Vendome 5218-201/A, 5218-209/A and PAM 000-005-318-195-360-380-424 are the only available Panerai watches with the legend OP Logo.
Introduced in the G-series in 2004, the Logos might count as part of the Luminor Marina and Luminor Base line, but they rather stand out on their own. The Logos are versions of the Marina and Base, but with solid casebacks, and sporting the original "OP" logo on the dial. They seem to be squarely aimed at the enthusiast, although tend to be billed as "entry level" models, since the solid caseback means that movements require less decoration.
The OP Logo is made up of the letters O and P which of course stand for Officine and Panerai. There are also two arrows in the logo - one pointing up and one pointing down-. These refer to the fact that Panerai was a specialist in manufacturing underwater products and landing aid systems. The down arrow referred to the under water (diving) products, the up arrow referred to the other tools.
There are PAM 000 replicas from regular dealers and from DSN. The new generation of reps is very good and we can consider that the N-series from H maker and Noob are Super reps. The main flaw of this replicas is the structure of sausage lume application which, as usually in sausage dials, is different from gen. But this is a normal issue in rep sausage dials few noticeable in practice, mainly for no very expert eyes.
Last quarter 2012- Noob starts to introduce the improvements of V3 PAM 111 in all Luminor cases 44mm. Therefore from the end of 2012 these models, PAM 000 included, get V3 improvements. Some dealers call this version V2.5 and is better than previous versions.
Noob 44mm case was usually better than H maker, now V3 is clearly better. There is a good review about this comparison made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
A perfect candidate for a first Panerai replica
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam000-n-h-maker-superlumed-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Hmaker
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam000-m-noob-best-edition-transparent-ar-on-black-croco-strap/ Noob
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12306-pa6890b-pam000-n-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/10920-pa5130b100-pam000n-panerai-luminor-super-lume-ss-lt-asian-6497-manual-wind.html H maker
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11817-xfpa7070-pam000-m-luminor-black-ss-ru-noobfactory-best-version-asian-6497.html Noob
(**)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?P_id=2317&ti= Noob
(**)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=198&P_id=2247&ti= Hmaker
(**)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=143&P_id=2318&ti= Noob
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+000&product_id=163 Noob
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=483 Noob
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=8430 Hmaker
(**)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7024 Noob
(**)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6549 Hmaker
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=85293 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/Pam%20000%20G/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_1.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/logo.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=4415&id_categoria=33
**

The PAM 001 has a similar structure to PAM 005 but without Logo and it has Tritium dial. See PAM 005 for more related watches.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The Pre-A models have the dial marked T-SWISS-T (note the hyphens), and the caseback engraving keep some rules which are indicated in Section 4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES
In Pre-A series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are less open and not so rounded. The stem of the "2" does not go up first and then to the right (like in A or B-series), but immediately starts-off in a diagonal direction. They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A, regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:
http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
This replica watch is exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct Pre-A T-SWISS-T dial and correct Pre-A caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, but has some flaws. If you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to an excellent Super rep of PAM 005.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=74969 DSN
GEN links:
http://www.watches24seven.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=5238
http://www.artoftime.com/web/en/watches/index.htm?showid=10477
Above links have the Tritium dial like DSN rep.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_153.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not Pre-A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
**

The PAM 001 has a similar structure to PAM 005 but without Logo and it has Tritium dial. See PAM 005 for more related watches.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The A-series and early B-series have the dial marked T SWISS T (without hyphens). In the caseback engraving they have Prefix A (1998) or B (1999) of production year, and the last four figures of the serial number don’t coincide or don’t have relation with the production number just after the Prefix A or B and before the slash and the annual total quantity of this model (like it happens in a Pre-A watch). See Section 4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES .
In A and B series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are more open and rounded. The stem of the "2" go up first and then to the right, it doesn’t start-off immediately in a diagonal direction (like in a Pre-A watch). They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A and regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:
http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
This replica watch is exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct A and B-series T SWISS T dial and correct caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, better than other replicas of this watch, but has some flaws. Therefore, if you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to an excellent Super rep of PAM 005.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=77340 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%2001a%20watch/ DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%2001B/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Above link has the Tritium dial like DSN rep.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_153.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not Pre-A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
**

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The PAM 001 has a similar structure to PAM 005 but without Logo and it has Tritium dial. This PAM 001 is the CG on the Right version of PAM 022 Destro. See PAM 005 for more related watches.
This is a replica from latter 1999 B-series after the Tritium dial ones, so it has Luminova dial. The Luminova dial is marked L SWISS L instead T SWISS T.
There are no first grade replicas of this watch (see this replica watch from DSN in the above Data Table). However there are very good replicas of PAM 005. Therefore, these PAM 001 replicas are not advisable and we should go to an excellent Super rep of PAM 005.

See an interesting and fantastic "franken" build by Grimlocktime here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=204347 by Grimlocktime

REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/search/?searchstring=pam001&x=53&y=8 PAM001 B
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=112 PAM001 B
Above link from TrustyTime has an inaccurate Bracelet instead of leather strap
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_153.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
**

The PAM 002 has similar structure to PAM 000 but without logo and with Tritium dial. And it is the same as PAM 001 but without seconds@9.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The Pre-A models have the dial marked T-SWISS-T (note the hyphens), and the caseback engraving keep some rules which are indicated in Section 4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES .
In Pre-A series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are less open and not so rounded. The stem of the "2" does not go up first and then to the right (like in A or B-series), but immediately starts-off in a diagonal direction. They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A, regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:
http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
This replica watch is exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct Pre-A T-SWISS-T dial and correct Pre-A caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, but has some flaws. If you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to an excellent Super rep of PAM 000.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=74295 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%2002A/ DSN
GEN Links:
http://www.watches24seven.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=18303
Above link has the Tritium dial like DSN rep.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_148.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not Pre-A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
**

The PAM 002 has similar structure to PAM 000 but without logo. And it is the same as PAM 001 but without seconds@9.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The A-series and early B-series have the dial marked T SWISS T (without hyphens). In the caseback engraving they have Prefix A (1998) or B (1999) of production year, and the last four figures of the serial number don’t coincide or don’t have relation with the production number just after the Prefix A or B and before the slash and the annual total quantity of this model (like it happens in a Pre-A watch). See Section 4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES .
In A and B series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are more open and rounded. The stem of the "2" go up first and then to the right, it doesn’t start-off immediately in a diagonal direction (like in a Pre-A watch). They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A and regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:
http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
This is a replica watch A-series exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct A-series T SWISS T dial and correct caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, better than the other replicas of this watch, but has some flaws. Therefore, if you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to an excellent Super rep of PAM 000.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=81136 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%2002A/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_148.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
**

The PAM 004 seems the CG on the Right version of PAM 026 Destro, but this is not really the true, because the PAM 004 is Sausage dial and 026 is Sandwich dial. This watch has similar structure to PAM 195 but without logo. We could say that it is a PVD coated version of PAM 005 with Tritium dial.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The Pre-A models have the dial marked T-SWISS-T (note the hyphens), and the caseback engraving keep some rules which are indicated in Section 4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES .
In Pre-A series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are less open and not so rounded. The stem of the "2" does not go up first and then to the right (like in A or B-series), but immediately starts-off in a diagonal direction. They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A, regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:
http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
Attention, because, the photobucket of DSN in the moment of writing this thread was wrong with a dial typical of a regular series, because it was marked T SWISS T (without hyphens) instead of T-SWISS-T like a Pre-A model, and the shape of the markers 12 and 6 were not Pre-A.
This replica watch is exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct Pre-A T-SWISS-T dial and correct Pre-A caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, but has some flaws. If you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to a First Class rep of PAM 195.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=74971 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%20004%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.watches.de/en/products/officine-panerai/officine-panerai-pam4-pre-a-op6500-case-pam0004-pre-a-pam-4-pre-a
Above link is a correct Pre-A watch
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_155.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not Pre-A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M&N-series Noob, K&M-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP best version (N-series V2 Noob)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP best version (N-series V2 Hmaker)
The PAM 005 is the same as PAM 000 but with seconds@9 subdial
There are many Panerai watches related to PAM 005 type, with Sausage dial and seconds sub-dial.
With Logo in the dial we have:
PAM 318 the same but with “Brooklyn Brigde” engraved caseback.
PAM 195 is a PVD coated version
Without Logo in the dial and made of SS we have:
PAM 001 very similar, but Pre-A , A and B models have Tritium dial.
PAM 022 Destro version of PAM 001, watches from A-series have Tritium dial, after them Luminova dial
PAM 366 “Fu”dedicated to China with a Chinese character @6 and cream patina
PAM 367 dedicated to China, but the chinese character @6 has been replaced with the traditional "6" and cream patina.
PAM 004 PVD coated version with Tritium dial
Without Logo and made of full Brushed Titanium we have:
PAM 082 “Amerigo Vespucci” with Blue dial
PAM 118 with Display caseback
PAM 117 Destro version of PAM 118
PAM 056 Destro version of PAM 118 but with Solid caseback and different movement.
PAM 036 a very Special Edition with Brown Tritium dial and Display caseback showing a OP II movement.
PAM 040 a very Special Edition with Black Tritium dial and Solid caseback
Introduced in the G-series in 2004, the Logos might count as part of the Luminor Marina and Luminor Base line, but they rather stand out on their own. The Logos are versions of the Marina and Base, but with solid casebacks, and sporting the original "OP" logo on the dial. They seem to be squarely aimed at the enthusiast, although tend to be billed as "entry level" models, since the solid caseback means that movements require less decoration. They are fitted with the Panerai OP II movemnt.
The OP Logo is made up of the letters O and P which of course stand for Officine and Panerai. There are also two arrows in the logo - one pointing up and one pointing down-. These refer to the fact that Panerai was a specialist in manufacturing underwater products and landing aid systems. The down arrow referred to the under water (diving) products, the up arrow referred to the other tools.
The high price and collectible pre-Vendome 5218-201/A, 5218-209/A and PAM 000-005-318-195-360-380-424 are the only available Panerai watches with the legend OP Logo.
There are PAM 005 replicas from regular dealers and from DSN. The 2011 generation of reps is very good and we can consider that the reps K & M-series from H maker and M & N-series Noob are Super reps. The main flaw of this replicas is the structure ofsausage lume application which, as usually in sausage dials, is different fromgen. But this is a normal issue in rep sausage dials few noticeable in practice, mainly for no very expert eyes.
The sausage dials in these 2011 versions (as usually) and crystal of H maker seem better but the rest of the watch is better in Noob.

October 2012- Noob factory has introduced a V2 version of PAM 005 N-series. This version gets the improvements of PAM 111 V3.
Maybe the first batches of this version were released without all improvements of Noob V3 case. Therefore, when Noob V3 case introduction was assured, some dealers called V2.5 this “final” version, but it is not actually a new version, just a V2 with assured improvements of Noob V3 case.
This version has corrected thickness of lume markers (even it is a little thick), but in general it is more accurate than previous versions either H maker or Noob. See comparisons on below pic:

This V2 Noob version is even fitted with a Replica of the Pamerai OPII movement with flat-top bridges making the replica more accurate although the solid caseback and features the nice CG and the Pre-V type hands of PAM 111 V3 from Noob.
Being purist, these replicas are better than PAM 111 ones, because the solid caseback doesn’t allow to see the evident flaws of Y shape Incablock, some faults in the Swan Neck and other flaws in the movement.
Noob 44mm case was usually better than H maker, now V3 is clearly better. There is a good review about this comparison made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE

Starting 2013- H maker introduces its N-series version V2, with the corrected OPII movement and thicker markers (similar to Noob)
See this thread by Klockis:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=142499&p=1411019#post-1411019 by Klockis
Therefore, we can consider this PAM 005 N-series V2 from Noob and H maker the most accurate Super rep at this moment of this watch.

April 2013- Kuvarsit releases a PAM 005 N-series. In a first impression the case seems the same as new KW Luminor Boutiques, now under review from Klockis and ALE
We have not evaluated yet the dial but it seems that the markers are a little thicker than gen. But seeing the quality of the lume application in Boutiques dial surely it is a very high quality too. Strangely hands are not Pre-V type. We will see future evaluations.
Regarding accuracy of KW dial, there is an interesting build by Bozz in this thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=179599 by Bozz
Bozz is using a case from a PAM 390 Noob with CG-Crown KW and dial KW. Judge by yourself.

January 2014- Asian7750 includes in its catalogue the H maker N-series fitted with OPII decorated movement like previously was announced (Starting 2013)
A perfect candidate for a first Panerai replica.
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam005-n-v2-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-lether-strap-with-pre-v-hands/ V2 Noob N
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam005-n-v2-noob-best-edition-on-black-croco-strap-with-pre-v-hands/ V2 Noob N
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam005-n-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob N
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam005-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob M
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam005-m-h-best-edition-on-custom-light-brown-leather-strap/ H maker M
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13157-xfpa4720-pam005-n-v2-noobfactory-ss-lt-1-1-best-asian-6497.html V2 Noob N
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13159-xfpa4740-pam005-n-v2-noobfactory-ss-lt-1-1-best-asian-6497.html V2 Noob N
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12305-pa6880b-pam005-m-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html H maker M
(**)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=198&P_id=2270&ti= Noob M
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2964&ti= V2 H maker N
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2965&ti= V2 H maker N
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+005&product_id=511 V2 Noob N
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=101 V2 Noob N
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=112817 DSN
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=87900 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20Born%20005G/DSN
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=87463 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20Born%20Pam%20005H/DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_3.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/logo.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=4416&id_categoria=34
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The PAM 009 has similar structure to PAM 360 but without logo. This watch is like a PVD coated version of a PAM 000 but with tritium dial. It is the same as PAM 004 but without seconds@9.
The gens PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10 Pre-A, A-series and early B-series have a Tritium dial. Concerning B-series Panerai produced 3000 units, they were watches of the models PAM 001-2-3-4-9 and 10. Only half of those were fitted with a Tritium dial.
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/09/panerai-1b-t-dial.html
Tritium dial is very appreciated by the collectors. After the Tritium dial the Luminova dial was introduced.
The Pre-A models have the dial marked T-SWISS-T (note the hyphens), and the caseback engraving keep some rules which are indicated in Section 4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES .
In Pre-A series the markers "6" and "9"(in models without seconds@9) are less open and not so rounded. The stem of the "2" does not go up first and then to the right (like in A or B-series), but immediately starts-off in a diagonal direction. They are evident differences.
For more information about Pre-A, regular series and Tritium dial read these interesting links:
http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Panerai-History
This replica watch is exclusive from DSN catalogue and has correct Pre-A T-SWISS-T dial and correct Pre-A caseback engraving.
This replica is quite good, but has some flaws. If you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial, the advice is going to a First Class rep of PAM 360.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=74972 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%20009/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_149.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
PaneariSource and Paneristi links have L Swiss L dial instead of Tritium one, they are not Pre-A, these links are only similar watches and for informative purposes.
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The PAM 022 is the Destro version of PAM 001 which has CG on the Right.
The PAM 022 A-series 1998 was made with Tritium dial and after with Luminova dial.
This is an exclusive replica from DSN catalogue, it is a 1999 B-series with Luminova dial and vintage lume. The movement of this replica is not close to the gen because gen is Panerai OPII, but since the caseback is solid, there is no big problem and we can consider it as a quite good replica.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/?t=90211 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20022B%20destro%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_157.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/destro.html
http://www.newturfers.com/bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?tid=39969
Above link is a very rare PAM 022 B-series fitted by Tritium dial instead of Luminova like a regular B-series watch.
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The PAM 023 has similar structure to the PAM 029, but 023 has a Flat surface dial instead of 029 engraved Tuxedo dial and 023 has second markers around the dial (like the old version of PAM 029). PAM 023 and 029 were produced in A and B-series. A-series was fitted with Tritium dial marked T SWISS MADE T.
The PAM 023 was originally introduced in 1998 as a regular production A-series watch and again in 1999 as a B-series watch. In typical Panerai fashion, the PAM 023 models were made in low production numbers and then discontinued.
PAM 023 is with the PAM 029 the only Panerai watches with a Rolex Explorer style bezel (in 2000 Panerai changes to inner dial GMT markers with the PAM 063).
GMT PAM 023 has central second hand like GMT PAM 029 and 063 (in 2001 Panerai changed to seconds@9 sub-dial in GMT models with the PAM 088).
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
PAM 023 has, like the PAM 029 and 063 a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer is visible (in 2001 Panerai changed and GMT hand became all silvered, and a lot more visible with the PAM 088).
This is a replica PAM 023 A-series with Tritium T SWISS MADE T dial exclusive from DSN catalogue, and comes with Asian or Swiss movement. It is a quite good replica, but it doesn’t arrive to the quality of the Super rep PAM 029 from Noob.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=97191 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Luminor%20GMT%20watches/Pam%20new%20born%20023A%20Gmt%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_36.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
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The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 A-series is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case&bezel, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and brushed case&bezel.
The titanium version PAM 025 Submersible is about 20% lighter than the PAM024 SS.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 024 A-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and doesn’t have the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the following PAM 024 D-series).
You can see a good pictorial of this replica version 2012 in:
The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 A-series is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case&bezel, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and brushed case&bezel.
The titanium version PAM 025 Submersible is about 20% lighter than the PAM024 SS.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 024 A-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and doesn’t have the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the following PAM 024 D-series).
You can see a good pictorial of this replica version 2012 in:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=122833?p=1209723
by madcatlancelot.
Mini-review and comparison to gen:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=190056 by taiji, with Grimlocktime comments about DSN PAM 025 A
This replica from DSN is a very good rep, but if you are not specifically looking for an old model or Polished Sub, the best current choice for a similar PAM Sub is an excellent PAM 243.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=56870 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Submersible%20Steel%20watches/Pam%20024A%20submersible%20watches/ DSN
GEN links:
The watches of below links are gen of the current series. Because the PAM 024 A-series, like the rep we are talking above, came without black minute indices between 12 and 3 in the bezel. We are showing them for informative purposes.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_25.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=727&id_categoria=36
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The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 D-series is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case with brushed bezel, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and full brushed case-bezel.
The titanium version PAM 025 Submersible is about 20% lighter than the PAM024 SS.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 024 D-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and has already the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the above PAM 024 A-series)
This replica from DSN is a very good rep, but if you are not specifically looking for an old model Polished case Sub, the best current choice for a similar PAM Sub is an excellent PAM 243.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=56929 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Submersible%20Steel%20watches/Pam%20024D/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_25.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=727&id_categoria=36
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The PAM 024 is similar to the PAM 199 but with Flat surface dial instead of textured dial, moreover the PAM 199 is a Limited Edition
The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case with brushed bezel, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and full brushed case-bezel.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 024 from D-series onwards has already the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the above PAM 024 A-series)
These reps have no correct caseback engraving and their quality is not very good. If you are looking for a PAM 024 it would be a better purchase the PAM 024 A or D-series from DSN. And even better go to a PAM 243.

REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/8117-pa7440-pam00024-luminor-submersible-44mm-black-dial-ss-ny-asian-21j-.html no longer available
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=32 PAM024 A7750
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=10 PAM024 21J
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_25.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=727&id_categoria=36
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The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and brushed case.
The titanium version PAM 025 Submersible is about 20% lighter than the PAM024 SS. Even though it is lighter, it still has a solid feel and feels great on the wrist, like sports watches should.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case and Flat surface dial.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 025 A-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and doesn’t have the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the following PAM 025 D-series)
The Pam 025 D-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and has already the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see above PAM 025 A-series)
Mini-review and comparison to gen:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=190056 by taiji, with Grimlocktime comments about DSN PAM 025 A
This replica from DSN is a very good rep, but if you are not specifically looking for an old model or Polished Sub, the best current choice for a similar PAM Sub is an excellent PAM 243.
Little review and comparison pics of DSN rep PAM 025 D-series with a gen PAM 025 E-series here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=72124 by gB
Above review is for a DSN PAM 025 D-series but in general the comparison and conclusions are valid for A-series too, leaving aside the comments about minute markers on bezel which are no existent in A-series
From pics and comments of above link you can see the flaws as follows:
- LUG shape is clearly wrong (and really ugly)
- Bezel shape is wrong, with wider knurling and sharper transition edge.
- Markers on bezel are really taller and number fonts are bigger and a bit wrong.
- Pearl is bigger and has wrong colour
- Dial dots have thicker metallic contour
- Caseback engravings are good enough but dots at the sides of OFFICINE PANERAI are bigger and TITANIUM is placed in a different position, closer to the next dot
- CG seems good enough but lever shape is different and CG pin is smaller
- Crown is clearly placed lower
Therefore this replica from DSN is a quite good rep, but if you are not specifically looking for an old model, Titanium or textured dial Sub, the best current choice for a similar PAM Sub is an excellent PAM 243.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=56928 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20%20Titanium%2044mm%20Submersile%20%20watches/Pam%20025A/ DSN
GEN links:
The watches of below links are gen of the current series, the PAM 025 A-series, like the rep we are talking above, came without black minute indices between 12 and 3 in the bezel. We are showing them for informative purposes.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_26.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=728&id_categoria=36
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The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and brushed case.
The titanium version PAM 025 Submersible is about 20% lighter than the PAM024 SS. Even though it is lighter, it still has a solid feel and feels great on the wrist, like sports watches should.
The PAM 243 is a modern Sub SS version of above mentioned watches in a 45mm 1950 case and Flat surface dial.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The Pam 025 D-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and has already the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see above PAM 025 A-series)
Little review and comparison pics of DSN rep PAM 025 D-series with a gen PAM 025 E-series here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=72124 by gB
From pics and comments of above link you can see the flaws as follows:
- LUG shape is clearly wrong (and really ugly)
- Bezel shape is wrong, with wider knurling and sharper transition edge.
- Markers on bezel are really taller and number fonts are bigger and a bit wrong.
- Black minute markers on bezel between 12 and 3 are a little shiny in rep and completely matt in gen
- Pearl is bigger and has wrong colour
- Dial dots have thicker metallic contour
- Caseback engravings are good enough but dots at the sides of OFFICINE PANERAI are bigger and TITANIUM is placed in a different position, closer to the next dot
- CG seems good enough but lever shape is different and CG pin is smaller
- Crown is clearly placed lower
Therefore this replica from DSN is a quite good rep, but if you are not specifically looking for an old model, Titanium or textured dial Sub, the best current choice for a similar PAM Sub is an excellent PAM 243.

REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=56871 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20%20Titanium%2044mm%20Submersile%20%20watches/Pam%20025D/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_26.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=728&id_categoria=36
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (K-series Noob) best option
Evaluation thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=136854
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (K-series H maker)
The PAM 026 is not exactly the Destro version of PAM 004 CG on the Right, because the PAM 026 is sandwich dial and PAM 004 is sausage dial.
The PAM 026 is like a Destro version PVD coated and with Solid caseback of a PAM 111.
The gen PAM 026 was a unique 2008 Edition of 1000 Watches. This is a Re-Issue of the original PAM 026 from 1998-1999 and uses the same model reference number.
There are two good replicas from DSN of this watch
-1999 B-series with Tritium dial T SWISS T and patina lume
-2008 K-series with Luminova dial
The replicas PAM 026K from H maker are Super reps.
There is a version V1 and a new version V2 more like pencil lead colour and more accurate to the gen.
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=180564
For information about rep-gen comparison read the below link of a thread by Alvinado:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=94703
and http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=117788 By ericb196

July 2012 -Noob has introduced its first version of PAM 026 K, at this moment this called V3 version.
Pictorial review, comparison of colour V1-V2-V3 (V3 is more Dark Pencil Lead like gen) and info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/just-landed-noob-112364?p=1099206 by gianton
To summarize gianton review:
V3 Noob has: Better colour, CG with square edges, Canon Pin flat and polished, Deeper recessed dial indices and numbers and better printing of text on the dial.
We have an Evaluation thread of this Noob V3 version:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=136854
A good candidate for a first PAM replica
REPLICA links:
(**) http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam026-k-11-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap/ Noob K V3
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam026-k-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-calf-leather-strap/ Noob K V3
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12637-xfpab026-pam026-k-noobfactory-best-1-1-version-dlc-asian-6497.html Noob K V3
(**) http://www.tswatchltd.com/12636-xfpa026-pam026-k-noobfactory-best-1-1-version-dlc-asian-6497.html Noob K V3
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12453-pa7930b-pam026-k-h-factory-black-dial-dlc-ru-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker K
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12446-pa7880b-pam026-k-h-factory-black-dial-dlc-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker K
(**)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=200&P_id=2114&ti= Hmaker K
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+026&product_id=109 Hmaker K
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+026&product_id=603 Noob K V3
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=105 Noob K V3
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=9036Hmaker K
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-born-pam-90213?t=90213&highlight=pam+026b DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20Born%20PVD%20026B%20destro%20watch/ DSN
Above links are for PAM 026B Tritium dial patina lume from DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/PVD%20026K/ DSN
Above link is for PAM 026K Luminova dial from DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_158.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/destro.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2008/110-luminor-marina-left-handed-pam00026
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (DSN) (see comments)
The gen PAM 027 and 028 introduced in 1998 were the first Power Reserve with this type of dial having Power Reserve indicator @6, date with cyclops @3 , big central seconds hand and solid caseback.
There are three Power Reserve watches with this structure: PAM 027 full polished SS version with Black Flat surface dial, PAM 028 PVD coated and Black Hobnail textured dial and the PAM 057 Titanium and Brown Hobnail textured dial.
These watches (gen and rep) have a Soprod modified ETA base movement to get the Power Reserve function.
First series 1998 of PAM 027 have a Tritium dial T SWISS T, and after they change to Luminova L SWISS L
Exclusive from DSN catalogue there are replicas PAM 027 1998 A-series with Tritium T SWISS T dial and 1999 B-series with Luminova L SWISS L dial, and they are First Class reps. They all are not as accurate as Noob or H maker replicas but are extremely well built and the movement is like gen. Bearing in mind this quality of manufacture we can consider them as First Class reps high level
To know all details about this rep consult this magnificent full review from Grimlocktime:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=174289 by Grimlocktime
Nice pictorial and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=172098 by Grimlocktime

REPLICA links:
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=41315 027A DSN
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=42967 027B DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/dsnwatches/library/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20movt/New%20Pam%20027A?sort=3&page=1 027A DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/dsnwatches/library/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20movt/New%20Pam%20027B?sort=3&page=1 027B DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_202.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN) (see comments)(This evaluation is under revision due to a review from Grimlocktime)
The gen PAM 027 and 028 introduced in 1998 were the first Power Reserve with this type of dial having Power Reserve indicator @6, date with cyclops @3, big central seconds hand and solid caseback.
There are three Power Reserve watches with this structure: PAM 027 full polished SS version with Black Flat surface dial, PAM 028 PVD coated and Black Hobnail textured dial and the PAM 057 Titanium and Brown Hobnail textured dial.
These watches (gen and rep) have a Soprod modified ETA base movement to get the Power Reserve function.
First series 1998 of PAM 028 had a Tritium dial T SWISS T, and after it changed to Luminova L SWISS L
Exclusive from DSN catalogue there are replicas PAM 028 1998 A-series with Tritium T SWISS T dial and 1999/2000 B/C-series with Luminova L SWISS L dial, there are differences in colour of the lume, and in Power Reserve indicator. They all are not as accurate as Noob or H maker replicas but are extremely well built and the movement is like gen. Bearing in mind this quality of manufacture we can consider them as First Class reps medium level. (This evaluation is under revision due to a review from Grimlocktime)
Interesting pics and differences between A and B-series in below thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=136762 by cayman909
You can see in below threads maybe the best builds ever made of PAM 028 rep, by master Grimlocktime
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192262 by Grimlocktime
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/212503-My-Honpo-28A-Almost-Done-and-Even-Closer-to-Gen by Grimlocktime

REPLICA links:
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=42969 DSN (*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20movt/Pam%20028A/ DSN (*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20movt/New%20Pam%20028B/ DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20movt/New%20Pam%20028C/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_203.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN model) (see comments)
This is the PAM 029A which was originally introduced in 1998 as a regular production A-series watch and again in 1999 as a B-series watch. In typical Panerai fashion, the PAM 029 models were made in low production numbers and then discontinued. This original PAM29 had small second markers on the dial (like the PAM 023) which has been omitted on the 2010 version. Furthermore the original version PAM 029 has Tritium vintage lume indices and numbers as opposed to the new 2010 version for which Luminova was used.
The PAM 029 has similar structure to the PAM 023, but 029 has a beautiful engraved Tuxedo dial.
PAM 029 is with the PAM 023 the only Panerai watches with a Rolex Explorer style bezel (in 2000 Panerai changes to inner dial GMT markers with the PAM 063).
GMT PAM 029 has central second hand like GMT PAM 023 and 063 (in 2001 Panerai changed to seconds@9 sub-dial in GMT models with the PAM 088).
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
PAM 029 has, like the PAM 023 and 063 a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer is visible (in 2001 Panerai changed and GMT hand became all silvered, and a lot more visible with the PAM 088).
This is an exclusive replica from DSN catalogue. It is fitted with Swiss movement ETA 2836.
These replicas are not as accurate as Noob or H maker replicas but are extremely well built and the movement is like gen. Bearing in mind this quality of manufacture we can consider them as First Class reps medium level.

REPLICA links:
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=105465 DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Luminor%20GMT%20watches/Pam%20new%20born%20029%20A%20GMT%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_37.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
Above links from paneraisource and paneristi are for the first original PAM 029 models, you can see the differences.
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-series Noob)
The PAM 029 has similar structure to the PAM 023, but 029 has a beautiful engraved Tuxedo dial and PAM 029 2010 version has no markers of seconds around the dial.
The current gen PAM 029 is a fantastic 2010 "re-make" Special Edition watch from Panerai. The PAM 029 was originally introduced in 1998 as a regular production A-series watch and again in 1999 as a B-series watch. In typical Panerai fashion, the PAM 029 models were made in low production numbers and then discontinued. Rather than making the watch a regular production piece in 2010, Panerai decided to make a 1000 pieces Special Edition production run for their Panerai watch collectors. The old PAM29 had small seconds markers on the dial (like the PAM 023) which has been omitted on the 2010 version. Furthermore the new PAM 029 has Luminova indices and numbers as opposed to the original version for which Tritium was used.
PAM 029 is with the PAM 023 the only Panerai watches with a Rolex Explorer style bezel (in 2000 Panerai changes to inner dial GMT markers with the PAM 063).
GMT PAM 029 has central second hand like GMT PAM 023 and 063 (in 2001 Panerai changed to seconds@9 sub-dial in GMT models with the PAM 088).
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
PAM 029 has, like the PAM 023 and 063 a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer is visible (in 2001 Panerai changed and GMT hand became all silvered, and a lot more visible with the PAM 088).
PAM 029 is the only model to sport the two dimensional "Tuxedo dial".
This replica PAM 029M from Noob factory is one of the best replicas ever made. There are Asian and Swiss movement versions. They all are Super reps.

From 2012- there is an improved V2 version from Noob with little modifications fitted with either Asian or Sellita SW240 or Swiss 2836-2.
According to the maker the improvements in V2 version are: Crystal updated to single AR like the latest PAM111N, hands have been remade, CG improved to the latest PAM111N standard with square edges. And in the dial, 9 and 6 markers have been improved, better markers lume makes them sharper and skinnier than before.
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=175013
Two very good pictorials here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam029m-gen-126242?p=1237885 by Del
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/few-outdoor-pics-126560?p=1241695 by Del
Another pictorial:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=128559by spdu4ia
A perfect candidate for a first PAM replica.

REPLICA links:
(**)http://pure-time.com/product/pam029-m-noob-best-edition-v2-on-brown-calf-leather-strap/ Noob V2-improved
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12448-xfpi39121-pam029-v2-noobfactory-2012-newest-best-edition-ss-lt.html Noob V2-improved
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11407-xfpa2130-pam029-m-luminor-gmt-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-eta-2836.html
(**)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2289&ti=
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+029&product_id=77 Noob V2-improved
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=933 Noob V2-improved
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=8949
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_37.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
Above links from paneraisource and paneristi are for the first original PAM 029 models, you can see the differences.
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN model) (see comments)
The gen PAM 036 is a Luminor Marina Militare, with Tritium indexes and a Brown dial in a Titanium case. Is similar to PAM 040 but has Brown dial and Display caseback (See more related watches in PAM 005).
It was a Limited Edition of 200 watches (read the curious story about the year below). Nowadays is the only Pam with display caseback and movement OPII. This is the 1st Luminor Marina to get the name of Marina Militare by special authorization of the Marina Militare (MM) Italiana.
The PAM 036 is one of the legend Vendome watches, with some few others like the 040, the 021, the Pre-A 1,2,4,9, and the Mare 6, 7 and 8.
When Panerai Firenze was sold to Vendome, in March 1997, the Cartier Vendome group received some stuff from Panerai Firenze, and with the stuff, some projects, like the watches which belonged to the Project Slytech as the Black Seal Slytech. So, Panerai Vendome had the idea to launch three Titanium watches, PAM 025, PAM 040 and PAM 036, which were conceived in the end of Panerai Firenze.
There are two interesting stories about PAM 036 and 040, below the PAM 036 one:
Strangely enough the PAM 036 is referenced as a Limited Edition from the Year 1998. Well, have a look on the official website, or in the Limited Editions Catalogue, or in Paneristi.com or Panerai Source.com, you always will see it presented in 1998, which is a mistake, as it gets a B production which is the evidence that the watch was launched in 1999, presented during the SIHH of the same year. You will notice that the pic on the official website is also a wrong pic, as the Pam 36 is presented with a Lumniova dial I never saw in any Pam 36, and with a wrong BB number...
Original Article:http://quicklook.watchprosite.com/show-nblog.post/ti-409776/
Anyhow, as kindly informed by RWI member "tech" in:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1136483&postcount=90
there is the possibility of having PAM 036 and 040 with Luminova dial due, most likely, to have been inexplicably produced with this Luminor dial. Although many people are inclined to believe that this has happened by an unfortunate change (for the owner) in a maintenance service.
The Brown chocolate dial is amazing. The Case Back lets show the beautiful movement obviously inspired from the Rolex Cortebert look.
It has, like the PAM 040, this charism, this part of legitimity and History that many other Panerai Vendome watches don't have... That makes this watch a very desirable item in the original market.
Due to PAM 036 has display caseback the usual conventional reps of this watch have not close to the gen movement, because the gen PAM 036 has a very different movement OPII. See the pics of this watch and the pics above of a regular replica in the market.
This replica PAM 036 from DSN is a First Class rep with a real Swiss 6497 movement like the gen Panerai OPII and the Tritium type dial T SWISS T. DSN has also corrected enough the old issues of deep outlined surrounding the numerals and stick markers and bad engraving in caseback inscriptions.
From noveember 2012 there are replicas of this watch from DSN with the same quality but fitted with asian clone movement OPII type. This is a very good option much cheaper and with the same overall quality :http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=121553by DSN
Nice review and pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/s...d.php?t=199747 by shelby1501
These replicas are not as accurate as other Noob or H maker replicas but are extremely well built and the movement is like gen. Bearing in mind this quality of manufacture we can consider them as First Class reps medium level.

PAM 036- DSN
REPLICA links:
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=121553 DSN Asian
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99405 DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam 44mm titanium luminor watches/New born pam 036 with new CG upgarded in march 201/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_88.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials98.html
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP (non DSN models)
Please read in above DSN rep PAM 036 the comments about the gen watch.
This rep PAM 036 has a correct Brown Dial but wrongly marked L SWISS L instead T SWISS T. Besides it has a display caseback and its movement is not very close to gen, because the gen PAM 036 has a very different movement OPII.
Therefore, this rep is a Low grade rep and a non advisable purchase. For a Luminor Titanium the best rep choice is PAM 036 or PAM 040 from DSN or going to PAM 177 or PAM 176, PAM 061 or 056 H maker if you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial

PAM 036
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam036-titanium-lite/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/10447-pa8530-pam036-marina-militare-luminor-black-dial-ti-lt-asian-6497.html
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+036&product_id=707
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_50&produ cts_id=36
http://www.pf-818.com/pn03602-titanium-tobacco-dial-asian-unitas-6497-p-5503.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_88.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials98.html
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN model) (see comments)
The PAM 040 is a Luminor Marina, with Tritium indexes and a Black dial in a Titanium case. It is similar to PAM 036 but has Black dial and Solid caseback (See more related watches in PAM 005).
It was a Limited edition of 200 watches in 1999.
The PAM 040 is one of the legend Vendome watches, with some few others like the 036, the 021, the Pre-A 1,2,4,9, and the Mare 6, 7 and 8.
When Panerai Firenze was sold to Vendome, in March 1997, the Cartier Vendome group received some stuff from Panerai Firenze, and with the stuff, some projects, like the watches which belonged to the Project Slytech as the Black Seal Slytech. So, Panerai Vendome had the idea to launch three Titanium watches, PAM 025, PAM 040 and PAM 036, which were conceived in the end of Panerai Firenze.
These watches 036 and 040 have both interesting stories, below the PAM 040 one:
This Pam 40 is a mystery, and loved for that, as it's not a referenced watch...Yes, go on the official website, or make a search in all the catalogue, you'll never see the PAM 40 reference...It's presented like a Limited Edition of 200 pieces, but not packaged like a LE
Original Article: http://quicklook.watchprosite.com/show-nblog.post/ti-409776/
Anyhow, as kindly informed by RWI member "tech" in:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1136483&postcount=90
there is the possibility of having PAM 036 and 040 with Luminova dial due, most likely, to have been inexplicably produced with this Luminor dial. Although many people are inclined to believe that this has happened by an unfortunate change (for the owner) in a maintenance service.
Like the PAM 036 it has this charism, this part of legitimity and History that many other Panerai Vendome watches don't have... That makes this watch a very desirable item in the original market.
This replica PAM 040 exclusive from DSN comes with Asian or Swiss 6497 movement and the Tritium type dial T SWISS T.
These replicas are not as accurate as other Noob or H maker replicas but are extremely well built and the movement can be almost like gen. Bearing in mind this quality of manufacture we can consider them as First Class reps medium level. Therefore, for a Luminor Titanium the best rep choices are this PAM 040 or PAM 036 from DSN or going to PAM 177 or PAM 176, PAM 061 or 056 H maker if you are not specifically looking for a Tritium dial.

PAM 040
REPLICA links:
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-born-040b-99585 DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20titanium%20luminor%20watches/New%20Born%20040%20watches%20up%20grade%20in%20mar ch%202012/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_251.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials98.html
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The PAM 048 is the same as PAM 050 but with leather strap instead of bracelet.
The PAM 119 is a watch similar to PAM 048 but with blue dial.
The PAM 049 and PAM 051 are respectively the versions White dial of above watches.
Introduced in 1999 B-series the Luminor Marina Automatic watches were housed in a smaller (40mm) case. They have date with cyclops@3 and seconds@9.
The original 1999 B-series production of these watches had all-polished cases, but for 2000 C-series onwards PAM 48, 49, 50 and 51 moved to brushed cases with polished bezels. This last look is the version of the current replicas.
This is a good-medium grade rep. and there are cheap versions with 21-23J movements. If possible it is better going to case 44mm versions

PAM 048
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam048-a7750/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13963-pa13963.html PAM 048 Low grade
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4635
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4634
http://www.pf-818.com/pn048k01-40mm-auto-ssle-asia-2813-p-11614.html PAM 048 Low grade
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_19.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto40.html
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The PAM 049 is the same as PAM 051 but with leather strap instead of bracelet. Both watches were the first Automatic White dial.
The PAM 048 and PAM 050 are respectively the versions Black dial of above watches.
Introduced in 1999 B-series the Luminor Marina Automatic watches were housed in a smaller (40mm) case. They have date with cyclops@3 and seconds@9.
The original 1999 B-series production of these watches had all-polished cases, but for 2000 C-series onwards PAM 48, 49, 50 and 51 moved to brushed cases with polished bezels. This last look is the version of the current replicas
This is a good-medium grade rep. and there are cheap versions low grade with 21-23J movements. If possible it is better going to case 44mm versions

PAM 049
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam049-a7750/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam049-white-dial-on-yellow-leather-strap-a23j/ PAM 049 Low grade
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13957-pa13957.html PAM 049 Low grade
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4637
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4616
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=8939 PAM 049 Low grade
http://www.pf-818.com/pn049k01-40mm-auto-ssle-asia-2813-p-11641.html PAM 049 Low grade
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_20.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto40.html
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The PAM 050 is the same as PAM 048 but with SS bracelet instead of leather strap.
The PAM 051 and PAM 049 are respectively the versions White dial of above watches.
Introduced in 1999 B-series the Luminor Marina Automatic watches were housed in a smaller (40mm) case. They have date with cyclops@3 and seconds@9.
The original 1999 B-series production of these watches had all-polished cases, but for 2000 C-series onwards PAM 48, 49, 50 and 51 moved to brushed cases with polished bezels. This last look is the version of the current replicas
This is a good-medium grade rep. If possible it is better going to case 44mm versions

PAM 050
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam050-a7750/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4606
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_21.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto40.html
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The PAM 051 is the same as PAM 049 but with SS bracelet instead of leather strap. Both watches were the first Automatic White dial.
The PAM 050 and PAM 048 are respectively the versions Black dial of above watches.
Introduced in 1999 B-series the Luminor Marina Automatic watches were housed in a smaller (40mm) case. They have date with cyclops@3 and seconds@9.
The original 1999 B-series production of these watches had all-polished cases, but for 2000 C-series onwards PAM 48, 49, 50 and 51 moved to brushed cases with polished bezels. This last look is the version of the current replicas
This is a good-medium grade rep. If possible it is better going to case 44mm versions

PAM 051
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam051-a7750/http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&produ cts_id=4605
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_22.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto40.html
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN model)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (D-series H maker)
The PAM 056 is in practice a Destro version of PAM 040 CG on the Right but has Brown dial instead of black. Actually the PAM 040 has Tritium dial and much more charism and History than the PAM 056 which has Luminova dial and is a regular watch.
The gen PAM 056 was changed 2002 for the PAM 117 introducing a Display caseback instead of solid and changing also the movement from OP II to the OP XI, because in E-series 2002 Paneari changed to this last movement.
There is a rep from DSN and it is a First Class replica medium level.
Good pictorial review here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam056c-showing-some-113248?p=1108546 by panerai4life

December 2012- H factory introduced a replica of PAM 056 (together with the PAM 061 CG at the right version). They feature 6497 movement with decoration and bridges like the gen OPII although the solid caseback. These replicas are very good and could be considered as Super replicas, but they have an inaccurate Crown Guard, because the gen is and old type CG almost flat and the rep CG is like a curved modern type.

This pic is of a PAM 061 but it is the same for PAM 056

Due to this flaw we must consider this replica as a First Class high level. After the PAM 176 and 177 these are (with the PAM 061 H maker) the best option of Titanium PAM replicas, followed by PAM 056, PAM 036 and 040 from DSN.
Pictorial and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=123592 by MMS
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=124525 started by scott335d
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=122119 by PANERA many pics gen-rep from mvyzfr1

PAM 056
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13233-pa056r-pam056-c-tobacco-brown-dial-ti-ru-asian-6497.html D-series H maker
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13232-pa056p-pam056-c-tobacco-brown-dial-ti-lt-asian-6497.html D-series H maker
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+056&product_id=709 D-series H maker
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=10110 D-series H maker
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn056c02-056c-tobacco-brown-p-12949.html D-series H maker
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-061-and-124520?t=124520 D-series H maker
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=102205 DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20titanium%20luminor%20watches/New%20Born%20056C/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_159.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/destro.html
**

EVALUATION: (**) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (DSN model) (see comments)
The gen PAM 057 was the last PAM Power Reserve (after PAM 027-028) with this type of dial having Power Reserve indicator @6, date with cyclops @3 , big central seconds hand and solid caseback.
There are three Power Reserve watches with this structure: PAM 027 full polished SS version with Black Flat surface dial, PAM 028 PVD coated and Black Hobnail textured dial and the PAM 057 Titanium and Brown Hobnail textured dial.
These watches (gen and rep) have a Soprod modified ETA base movement to get the Power Reserve function.
Despite the fact that the PAM 57 theoretically only lasted for the year 2000 (replacing the PVD model, but then being phased out in favour of the changed movement and dial arrangement) there are a few 2001 D-series PAM 057s floating about, 55 pieces to be precise. How this came about? perhaps a production overrun from the previous year? Still, however this anomaly occurred, it
makes for a scarce piece.

This replica PAM 057 is an exclusive production from DSN. Although some differences it is close enough to the gen with a beautiful Brown Hobnail texture dial, it is very difficult to catch the dial of this watch in a picture, in fact you cannot see the Hobnail texture in the pics from DSN, but it is awesome.
But thanks the kindness of Machiavegli we can enjoy here of these fantastic and expressive macro pics of this Hobnail dial. You can see also the recessed power reserve indicator. Many thanks Mach !!

PICS of HOBNAIL DIAL of Machiavegli’s PAM 057 from DSN
The rep from DSN is fitted with a Swiss 2892 movement with a Soprod Power Reserve module like the gen but with no decorated rotor.
Mini-review and pics here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/re-mini-review-110453?p=1081836 by Machiavegli
Unfortunately, due to above mentioned features, this is an expensive rep, but it is worth the purchase.
This replica is not as accurate as other Noob or Hmaker reps, but it is extremely nice and well built, and the movement is fantastic (although very expensive).
You can see a magnificent review of this watch from Grimlocktime here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=198462 by Grimlocktime
We can see through this review some flaws to be considered:
-The space between dial markers and the rehaut are clearly wider than gen
-The dot with lume of second hand is placed a bit far form the tip in comparison with the gen
-CG shape and lever tip are a bit wrong
-Lug shape is a bit inaccurate with a bit of a hump on the top edge of the lug. The gen has a smooth slope.
-Some fonts inaccuracies on caseback
Therefore, we could consider this rep due to its general quality and beauty as a First Class rep medium level.
Goin has modified a DSN replica of this PAM 057 with a correct CG and making a good job in the lume. The result is likely the best possible replica of this watch. See explanations and fantastic pictorial review here :
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-modified-dsn-114217?p=1119547 by Goin
Although its price this PAM 057 from DSN is a very good candidate for a first PAM replica.

PAM 057
REPLICA links:
(**)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99719 DSN
(**)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20mov t/New%20pam%20057C/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_204.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (D-series H maker)
The PAM 061 is in practice like a PAM 040. Actually the PAM 040 has Tritium dial and much more charism and History than the PAM 061 which has Luminova dial and is a regular watch. There is a Destro version The Pam 056 (See more related watches in PAM 005).
The gen PAM 061 is a Luminor Marina and was produced in 2000 and 2001 and changed in 2002 for the PAM 118 introducing a Display caseback instead of solid and changing also the movement from the OPII to the OP XI, because in E-series 2002 Paneari changed to this last movement.

December 2012 - H factory introduced a replica of PAM 061 (together with the Destro version PAM 056). They feature 6497 movement with decoration and bridges like the gen OPII although the solid caseback. These replicas are very good and could be considered as Super replicas, but they have an inaccurate Crown Guard, because the gen is and old type CG almost flat and the rep CG is like a curved modern type.

Due to this flaw we must consider this replica as a First Class high level. After the PAM 176 and 177 these are (with the PAM 056 H maker) the best option of Titanium PAM replicas, followed by PAM 036 and 040 from DSN.
Pictorial and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=123592 by MMS
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=124525 started by scott335d
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=122119 by PANERA many pics gen-rep from mvyzfr1

PAM 061
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13235-pa061r-pam061-d-tobacco-brown-dial-ti-ru-asian-6497.html D-series H maker
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13234-pa061p-pam061-d-tobacco-brown-dial-ti-lt-asian-6497.html D-series H maker
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+061&product_id=710 D-series H maker
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2511&ti= D-series H maker
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=10109 D-series H maker
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn061d02-061d-tobacco-brown-p-12948.html D-series H maker
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-061-and-124520?t=124520 D-series H maker
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_253.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (C-series DSN model)
The PAM 063 is the first PAM GMT with GMT markers placed in the dial, until the launching of PAM 063 in 2000 the GMT PAM 023 and 029 had the GMT markers in the bezel (type Rolex Explorer)
GMT PAM 063 has central second hand like GMT PAM 023 and 029 (in 2001 Panerai changed to seconds@9 sub-dial in GMT models with the PAM 088).
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
PAM 063 has, like the PAM 023 and 029 a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer is visible (in 2001 Panerai changed them, and GMT hand became all silvered, and a lot more visible with the PAM 088).
Replicas of PAM 063 are fitted with Swiss ETA 2836 automatic movements. Only the rep PAM 063 from DSN has a correct caseback engraving C-series, the other ones have “fantasy” engraving (see below links). Therefore, we can consider the rep C-series from DSN as a First Class rep low level and others as good reps.
Nice pictorial here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=89181&hl=&fromsearch=1 by Gazzla

PAM 063
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&produ cts_id=113
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99945 DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Luminor%20GMT%20watches/New%20Born%20Pam%20063C%20GMT%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_38.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/panerai-pam-63-c-luminor-gmt-44mm-black-dial--id1866193.htm?dosearch=true&goal_didYouMean=1&quer y=pam+63&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
**

EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Low level (H maker C-series w/A7750)

The gen PAM 064 was the first Panerai Submersible 1000m. originally released for the C-series (2000) as a Unique Special Edition of 500 pcs. Leaving aside the big Egiziano, the PAM 064 was the biggest and nastiest Panerai so far, with 5mm thick sapphire crystal and a Helium release value, black dial with silver seconds sub-dial @9 and date window @3, this watch is known (with good reason) as "La Bomba" (The Bomb) in Italy.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_93.html
Much to the consternation of collectors, who thought they were buying a unique edition, promptly appeared the PAM 087 D-series (2001) with a flat blue dial, an engraving 1000m on the crown-lock, thinner bezel stick markers and few other changes.
PAM 064 is a Submersible, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano, with Luminor type 44mm case, skeleton hands, date under a cyclops @3, unidirectional bezel and Tritium ochre- yellowish lume. It has a small seconds subdial @9 in silver colour in contrast with the black dial which gives the watch a strong personality.
It differs from the regular old Submersible in that it has thicker (5mm) crystal, a Helium release valve, and a heavier case. The crystal is also slightly smaller than the regular old Subs, because the bezel is wider. The movement is the regular automatic OPIII for the gen and the A7750 for the rep.


- PAM 064 C-series H maker w/A7750
March 2016- H maker released a rep of PAM 064 C-series fitted with a movement A7750 with OPIII engraved rotor.
This rep is based on the rep PAM 087 from the same maker. Due to that, since the gens casesets are almost the same, this rep has the same qualities and flaws as the rep of PAM 087
Many of the features and flaws of this rep can be seen in the reviews of H maker PAM 087:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/302071-*PCTeam*-PAM-087-%96-Overview-and-Evaluation-of-all-reps-%96-April-2016
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=116198
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?267463-PAM-087-%96-Overview-and-Evaluation-of-all-reps-%96-April-2016
CASE:
Case shape is overall accurate, without obvious differences of dimensions and profiles, just the lugs are a bit different as you can see in below comparison pics. Gen lugs are thinner and their flat base is smaller than rep base. Gen lugs look lighter tan rep. Lug holes position is accurate enough. See above commented reviews of PAM 087 to see the differences
Gen finish is very good but it has not the uniformity of new PAM watches and it looks more “hand made” and more inconsistent between batches than reps. Rep finish looks more uniform and “machined”. Maybe gen is better in the space between lugs and lug contours (mainly in the zone between the upper part of the lugs and the cushion shape edge). Brushing is accurate with some gens because there are a lot of variations between gens. Gen is overall more rounded and all edges of the case are nicely rounded getting a soft appearance. Rep case, although is very nicely made looks beautiful but sharper and crisp, somehow a bit inaccurate. You can see these differences of sharpness in the comparison pics of the PAM 087 reviews above commented
Anyway, very good job from H maker regarding the case.
BEZEL:
Like happened in rel PAM 087 , rep bezel shape is overall accurate with nice and accurate knurling but rougher brushing than gen. Gen bezel usually has more fine and uniform brushing than rep, but the rep is good enough. Rep bezel knurling is not as clean as gen but is accurate in practice at real size and looks nice.
The outer upper edge of the rep bezel is not as rounded as gen and the transition edge between the vertical surface of the bezel and the rounded edge is smoother in gen, rep usually shows a little corner between the rounded edge and the vertical surface.
Bezel dots and markers are overall accurate, although rep numerals looks smaller than gen ones, Besidfes, sometimes rep numeral bezel markers are placed a bit off center.
The difference between Pam 087 and 064 bezel are the black stick markers from 12 to 3 hrs. Gen Pam 064 has clearly thicker markers. The rep from H maker has also thicker markers but they are different from gen.
Short stick marker under the pearl is longer and thinner than gen one. Short stick markers under dots are shorter and thinner tha gen ones. These markers are not as nicely defined as gen but they are good enough in this regard at real size. You can see aboce commented on below comparison pics.

PAM 064 BEZEL STICK MARKERS FROM 12 TO 3 hrs. AND PEARL - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

Rep pearl has accurate enough rim and shape. See above comparison pic. Regarding the pearl colour, it is not possible to talk about differences and accuracy because not only the gen PAM 087 has different colours of pearls depending on the material used by Panerai, but it depends a lot on the angle of view, the lighting and the aging of the lume material.
Anyway the rep pearl is a bit darker in general and for my taste should be lighter. A little flaw in my opinion.
CROWN & CROWN-GUARD
We can write here the same observations written about the rep of PAM 087. And you will get mnore info and pics in above commented reviews of PAM 087.
Crown and crown tube are accurate although they are less polished than gen as usually
Gen Crown Guard has more rounded edges in general than rep, it is like in the case, even the gen CG lever has more rounded edges.
Obviously old gen PAMs didn’t have the impressive finish quality of new ones. That affects also the inner corners of the CG. The finish of H maker rep is even better, but that makes the rep CG somehow inaccurate.
I have seen many gen pics from different sources and what I see is that the inner CG corners of the gen are not either squared or rounded, they are originally “chamfered”. In the same way as PAM 087, PAM 056 and PAM 061. H maker has already proved the capacity to get this “chamfered” inner corners, because H maker has already got this feature in the reps of PAM 056 and 061.
Due to the little inconsistency of gen finish in those old models we can find gens from perfectly “chamfered” inner corners to slightly rounded corners. The reason is well explained for PolonusTM is his nice review:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=262619 by PolonusTM
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/278073-H-factory-PAM-087F-photos-and-comments by PolonusTM
Consult PAM 087 reviews to see the differences in comparison pics
Like in PAM 087, another issue that I have found reviewing the H maker PAM 064 is the misalignment between the inner sides of the CG hollow. You can see this misalignment in below pic, observing the differences between the orange correctly aligned lines and the blue misaligned lines. The misalignment is produced either at the top or at the bottom. Most likely these misalignments are produced because the CG doesn’t fit correctly the mid-case being a little open. When you tighten the CG with the screws, the CG takes the shape of the mid-case reducing the angle of the inner corners and producing those misalignments of the inner sides.
CG lever shape is very accurate either in the part tightening the crown or the tip, but the gen edges are much more rounded.
CG pin is nicely finished and almost flat. Gen CG pin is not consistent and varies from completely flat to a bit rounded edges.
Therefore H maker CG, which has squared corners and edges, is very nicely finished, as above commented, even better than gen, but somehow it is inaccurate. Rep CG has accurate lever and correct CG pin but with sharper edges. There is no reason to downgrade this nice rep due to the little inaccuracies of the nice CG which indeed is even better than gen.
CASEBACK:
Rep caseback is also less soft than gen, all the edges are sharper, and even the transition edge between the conical shape and the flat central circle is much sharper than gen, which presents more rounded transition. The central flat circle is a bit smaller in gen.
Rep is even better engraved than gen with more defined and sharp contours. Engraving depth is more or less the same. Layout of inscriptions is accurate enough. Fonts are not exactly the same and the differences are more evident on FIRENZE 1860 engravings. As you can see in below pic at real size and without a close and enlarged inspection the rep caseback looks nice

PAM 064 CASEBACK - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

DIAL LAYOUT:
H maker dial layout is really good with accurate placements and sizes. Only little differences of inscriptions placement but not noticeable.
DIAL INSCRIPTIONS:
Like on PAM 087, dial white inscriptions: stick minute markers, LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE, 1000m, PANERAI Automatic are accurate in colour and thickness. The main flaws are in “R” font, as usual in H maker, which has different font and straight end of the “R” tail whereas gen “R” tail is pointy. There are also some differences in T SWISS MADE T and in Automatic but they are few noticeable. It is a pity the inaccurate “R”, because the inscriptions, aside this matter, are really good. See comparison pics on PAM 087 review show the differences.
DIAL NUMERAL MARKERS:
H maker seemingly are using PAM 087 dial as base for the rep dial of PAM 064. This is a big mistake for below commented reasons.
“12” and “6” markers are different. Mainly “12” marker is completely different, as we can see in below comparison pic, where the rep and gen “12” markers are showed. In the middle part of the figure I have overlapped the gen 12 contour over the rep marker.

PAM 064 “12” MARKER DIFFERENCES - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

The shorter straight lower stroke and a completely different upper part of the “2” in “12” marker are really evident. In my opinion this is a serious flaw in in the more visible zone of the watch.
Like on PAM 087, the gen lume application has usually a smooth surface sausage lume of the numerals, with yellowish ochre colour, circled with a much lighter contour whereas rep has the same contour no lighter but with the same colour as the sausage lume. Some times rep has rougher lume material of sausage application than gen, but this is few noticeable in real size and , besides, gen shows sometimes a rough surface.
DIAL RECTANGULAR STICK MARKERS:
Rep rectangular STICK markers are very nicely made, even with better finish and appearance than gen, but due to that have some inaccuracies.
In effect, rep dial stick markers have a perfect rim contour and are glossier. They are made with a part detached from the dial surface and black coated. Again these contours seem extracted from the PAM 087 dial. Gen stick markers contours seem embossed from the dial surface and their edges are soft and rounded. Rep contours look much crisper and defined. Rep contours are nicer but unfortunately inaccurate. Sticks lume application is clearly convex in gen with a marked dome, but rep sticks lume is flatter and without relief. See the differences in below comparison pics.

PAM 064 DIAL STICK MARKERS DIFFERENCES - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

LUME COLOURS AND APPLICATION:
This matter is the same as on PAM 087. There is no reason to strictly judge lume in a rep of a Tritium lume gen watch, because Tritium lume will have lost the power in an old gen watch and the colour uncharged will really have undergone very variable changes from yellowish ivory to orange or brownish depending on original lume material, environment conditions and how old is the watch.
Rep lume power is good enough to satisfy owners. Rep stick markers colour is a tad more orange than numerals which are more yellow or ochre. Rep hands lume is more or less like the numerals.
In the gen overall lume colour is less marked or lighter than rep. Gen stick markers lume is also more orange than numerals but the hands are usually lighter. But we have to bear in mind that, as above commented, the aging colour of a Tritium lume has not fixed rules and we could get any combination of colours in an old gen.
Gen hands lume is usually lighter than numeral markers, this maybe is produced because, at least in last series, PANERAI is using Luminova instead of Tritium lume for the hands, in order to avoid a premature and ugly corrosion. In this way a lighter colour of rep hands lume would be interesting to get more accuracy.
We can say that rep lume colours are accurate, matching a very aged Tritium dial, just in the limit of darkness and aging. Maybe hands should be a bit lighter, for above commented reasons, and in this way some modders are working with this reps.
DATE WINDOW AND DATE WHEEL:
Date window and date fonts are accurate. No worries about this matter at real size.
SECONDS SUBDIAL @9:
Appearance, colour and concentric circles are achúrate, but the sitck markers are thinner in gen and the dot markers are clearly smaller than gen. This is another serious flaw of this rep. See below comparison pic.

PAM 064 SECONDS SUBDIAL @9 - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

CRYSTAL:
Gen has a very thick 5mm crystal. Rep crystal looks also as thick as gen and the Cyclops is accurate in size, and the samples and pics that I have seen have few “frozen halo” like gen. Magnification is also like gen. AR seems OK. Overall accurate and nice crystal.
HANDS and CANNON PINION
Hands are accurate with a bit dark lume, as above commented. The circle of fixation of the hands to the CP looks flatter and better than in PAM 087 which looks a bit concave.
CP is very good: accurate, flat and polished, with a bit rounded edges and flush. It looks really good in real thing and at real size, even under the loupe.
Both hands and CP, aside the lume colour, are at real size really good and accurate. No worries in this regard.
MOVEMENT:
Rep movement is an A7750 without chrono functions and decorated rotor with blue engravings.
Gen is a OPIII based in the same Valjoux 7750, without chrono functions and with rotor and bridges decorated with PANERAI PANERAI engravings and golden inscriptions
The rep movement is reliable, and more without the chrono functions, but the decoration is inaccurate and we can see the evident differences in below pic. Since the caseback is solid this inaccuracy is not very important and the rep movement A7750 is reliable enough.

PAM 064 MOVEMENT - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

CONCLUSIONS AND EVALUATION:
H maker had really done a good job with the PAM 087 F-series, but maybe due to use some parts of this watch to make the PAM 064, the final result is a rep of PAM 064 overall less accurate than PAM 087.
There are the same obvious inaccuracies already found on PAM 087: overall sharper edges, finish of the bezel brushing, “R” of dial inscriptions, darker contours of numeral markers …
But we have to add very inaccurate surrounds of dial rectangular stick lumed markers, wrong “12” numeral markers, wrong stick markers and dots on subdial @9, inaccurate black stick markers on bezel, inaccurate pearl colour…
Bear in mind that it is very difficult to copy an old gen watch, with a lot of parts hand finished and with aged Tritium type lume. The rep is made by machining and hand finish is used only in the necessary points, that gives to the rep a “perfectly” machined and sharp appearance different from the smoother and hand made look of some gen parts.
Anyway the rep looks impressive and has a very strong gen-like appearance. But flaws on dial and the black markers on bezel are very evident flaws to be forgotten. Therefore we have to downgrade the evaluation.
We can consider PAM 064 H maker a very nice rep of First Class low level due to some obvious inaccuracies on dial.
Additional info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=264723 by Cpairways
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=264723&p=2759924&viewfull=1#post2 759924 by ryllz
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/288423-New-PAM064-Submersible-1000m-quot-La-Bomba-quot-is-coming) by gvln
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/296197-PAM-064c-H-factory by Therion666
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=266391 by Maximax
Comments from threads of ALE reviews
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/317780-*PCTeam*-PAM-064-%96-Review-and-Evaluation-of-H-maker-rep-from-March-2016
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=67386&pid=1844847&st=140&#entr y1844847
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?270468-PAM-064-%96-Review-and-Evaluation-of-H-maker-rep-from-March-2016


PAM 064
REPLICA links:
- PAM 064 C-series H maker w/A7750
(*)http://puretime01.com/pam064-c-1000m-luminor-submersible-hf-on-brown-leather-strap-a7750.html
(*)http://www.tswatch.club/18545-featured18545_c52a5ab60d6a88aee3c3191e1edbc36e.htm l
(*)http://www.torobravos.xyz/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1992
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2692-pam064c-h-maker-1-1-best-edition-on-asso-leather-strap.html
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=14346
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/-p-18865.html
(*)https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/296102-pam-064-c-LA-BOMBA

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_93.html
http://www.network54.com/Forum/265099/thread/1228702020/index.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J37dyezYxG4
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&th=1188674&rid=0
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-pam-064-a-696403.html
http://www.jeweltrader.nl/horloges/panerai-luminor-submersible-pam-064/
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=250709
http://www.9maiali.com/m/product-panerai-pam-064-luminor-submersible-1000m-44mm-se-500-pc/
https://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-64-c-1000m-luminor-submersible-original-tunacan-la-bamba-special-edition-only
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The gen PAM 076 is a 2002 Limited Edition of 300 watches made of Titanium, but has a "hunter" type case with a lid that pivots at 12. The lid is engraved with a scene of two divers aboard a SLC torpedo submarine.
The gen PAM 076 Black Seal ships with a further blank lid, on which the owner can have engraved a design of their choice.
The replicas are made of SS and are Medium grade reps

PAM 076
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11637-xfpa3240-pam076-luminor-black-seal-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=109&product s_id=977
http://www.pf-818.com/pn07601-black-seal-limited-44mm-auto-free-shipping-p-3548.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_110.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials02.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2002/146-luminor-blackseal-pam00076
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (DSN model)
The Amerigo Vespucci is the sail training vessel for the Italian Navy. All officer candidates have to go through a basic nautical training on this ship.
This PAM 082 is similar to the original Marina Militare PAM 036 but has a different Blue dial, and a special solid caseback engraving. This is the second Luminor Marina to get the name of Marina Militare by special authorization of the Marina Militare (MM) Italiana. It was made a 300 pieces Limited Edition of this watch in 2009.
This PAM 082 from the DSN catalogue is a good replica (the best of this watch). In comparison with some gen pics this rep has very evident and deep contours in the markers of the dial which are different to the gen ones. But you can find some gen pics, like pics from paneristi.com (see below gen link), where there are shown deeper contours in the gen watch similar to this rep. It is no easy knowing the true because is very difficult to find a gen for side by side comparison (only 300 units made). Therefore if we take the gen pics from paneristi.com we could consider the replica PAM 082 from DSN a First Class rep low level (always bearing in mind that matter).

PAM 082 - DSN
REPLICA links:
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99490 DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/dsnwatches/library/Pam%2044mm%20titanium%20luminor%20watches/New%20born%20pam%20082?sort=3&page=1 DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_96.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/vendomeframeset.html
**

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP (non DSN models)
The Amerigo Vespucci is the sail training vessel for the Italian Navy. All officer candidates have to go through a basic nautical training on this ship.
This PAM 082 is similar to the original Marina Militare PAM 036 but has a different Blue dial, and a special solid caseback engraving. This is the second Luminor Marina to get the name of Marina Militare by special authorization of the Marina Militare (MM) Italiana. It was made a 300 pieces Limited Edition of this watch in 2009.
See the comments about gen PAM 082 in above replica from DSN catalogue
These replicas PAM 082 have a very different seconds@9 sub-dial and they are Low grade replicas in general. If you are looking for a Titanium PAM with Blue dial you should go to the PAM 082 from DSN above mentioned.

PAM 082
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_50&produ cts_id=4782
http://www.pf-818.com/000000pn08201-amerigo-vespucci-titanium-blue-asia-p-6879.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_96.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/vendomeframeset.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&i d_prodotto=883&id_categoria=45
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2000/151-luminor-marina-militare-pam00082
**

The PAM 086 and 091 released in 2001 were the first PAM Luminor Marina Automatic of 44mm. Both models have a complex, but beautiful, Anthracite dial with contrasted different colour seconds@9 sub-dials, minute dial markers and date window with cyclops @3. These watches have a lot of personality and character. Their complex dial contrasts with the simple dial of the next Panerai automatic PAM 104 released in 2002.
There are regular replicas fitted with cheap Asian 21J movement and there is a better rep from DSN catalogue fitted with A7750 automatic movement and with better date font.
They all have some evident dial flaws. Therefore we can consider the regular reps as Low grade cheap reps and DSN rep as quite good rep.
You can see a nice Franken with gen dial mad by Grimlocktime:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=200328&p=2019284#post-2019284 by Grimlocktime

PAM 086
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&produ cts_id=86
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99395 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Automatic%20Luminor%20Marina% 20%20watches/New%20Born%20086D/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_171.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
**

EVALUATIONS
LOW GRADE REP (C-series previous to 2105 w/A-7750 )
(**) SUPER REP Bordering lower status (H maker F-series w/A-7750 )

The first Panerai Submersible 1000m was the PAM 064, originally released for the C-series (2000) as a Unique Special Edition of 500 pcs. Leaving aside the big Egiziano, the PAM 064 was the biggest and nastiest Panerai so far, with 5mm thick sapphire crystal and a Helium release value, black dial with silver seconds sub-dial @9 and date window @3, this watch is known (with good reason) as "La Bomba" (The Bomb) in Italy.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_93.html
Much to the consternation of collectors, who thought they were buying a unique edition, promptly appeared the PAM 087 D-series (2001) with a flat blue dial, an engraving 1000m on the crown-lock, and few other changes.
The 1000m is a Submersible, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano, with Luminor type 44mm case, skeleton hands, small seconds @9, date under a cyclops @3, unidirectional bezel and Tritium ivory- yellowish lume. It differs from the regular old Submersible in that it has thicker (5mm) crystal, a Helium release valve, and a heavier case. The crystal is also slightly smaller than the regular old Subs, because the bezel is wider. The movement is the regular automatic OPIII for the gen and the A7750 for the rep. From the 2003 F-series onwards (last series was 2005 H-series) the dial of the PAM 87 got a darker blue, and stick markers, which had a blue contour embossed from the dial surface, got a chromed contour and a bigger length going until the contour of the dial, Helium valve lost the He engraving and even in last series is brushed instead of polished, however the reference was not changed.
The gen PAM 243 1000m replaced the now discontinued PAM 087 1000m Submersible. The PAM 087 was affectionately referred to as Blue “La Bomba” or “the tuna can” because of its sheer weight and thickness. The PAM 243 1950 case feels like it has a more distributed an even-weighted feel as compared to the PAM 087.
More gen different versions info and reviews:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1144944500/Pam%2B087%2B-%2Bdifferent%2Bversions
Gen pics from shoes
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yibbxfpxh...cdsZ6XY1a?dl=0
See this interesting build by Grimlocktime of a Fantasy Franken Blue “La Bomba” made from a gen PAM 087 dial and a rep case PAM 243 Noob:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=190686&p=1920935#post-1920935 by Grimlocktime


-PAM 087 C-series A-7750 Low grade rep
Before 2015 there was a rep C-series of PAM 087. That rep was fitted with A7750 and was a Low grade rep without interest: inaccurate dial, case, crystal, Date wheel, wrong caseback from PAM 064….This Low grade rep is no longer available.
More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?128782-Pam-087-modded&highlight=pam+087 by jmattuch
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?130973-087-tritium-lovin&highlight=pam+087 by COLDI
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?162884-Pam087-Blue-Bomb&highlight=pam+087 by JohnDorian


-PAM 087 H maker F-series w/ A-7750
November 2015- H maker released a rep PAM 087 F-series fitted with A7750 with decorated rotor. This was a very awaited rep because there was a lot of demand of this nice blue-dialed SUB watch with Tritium lume.
This rep is a very good release from H maker which has made a very good job, regarding finish and gen-like appearance and even in many aspects of accuracy, although some lacks as we will see below

CASE:
Case shape is overall accurate, without obvious differences of dimensions and profiles, just the lugs are a bit different as you can see in below comparison pics. Gen lugs are thinner and their flat base is smaller than rep base. Gen lugs look lighter tan rep. Lug holes position is accurate enough.

PAM 087 LUG AND CASE SHAPE - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

Gen finish is very good but it has not the uniformity of new PAM watches and it looks more “hand made” and more inconsistent between batches than reps. Rep finish looks more uniform and “machined”. Maybe gen is better in the space between lugs and lug contours (mainly in the zone between the upper part of the lugs and the cushion shape edge). Brushing is accurate with some gens because there are a lot of variations between gens. Gen is overall more rounded and all edges of the case are nicely rounded getting a soft appearance. Rep case, although is very nicely made looks beautiful but sharper and crisp, somehow a bit inaccurate. You can see these differences of sharpness in below comparison pic.
Anyway, very good job from H maker regarding the case.

PAM 087 ROUNDED EDGES OF THE CASE - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

Brobert from RG has made some interesting modds in this regard, getting nice results as you can see in below post:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.ph...=1#post2779956 by Brobert
BEZEL:
Rep bezel shape is overall accurate with nice and accurate knurling but rougher brushing than gen. Gen bezel usually has more fine and uniform brushing than rep, but the rep is good enough. Rep bezel knurling is not as clean as gen but is accurate in practice at real size and looks nice.
Brobert from RG has made some interesting modds in this regard, getting nice results as you can see in below post:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?267108-087-mods&p=2779956&viewfull=1#post2779956 by Brobert
The outer upper edge of the rep bezel is not as rounded as gen and the transition edge between the vertical surface of the bezel and the rounded edge is smoother in gen, rep usually shows a little corner between the rounded edge and the vertical surface.
Bezel dots and markers are overall accurate and without noticeable differences. Sometimes rep numeral bezel markers are placed a bit off center.
Black stick markers on bezel from 12 to 3 hrs. are nice and overall accurate. Being a bit picky the thick stick marker @12 is shorter in rep, rep markers are less crisp and a tad thinner than gen. Anyway, at real size markers are nicely made, accurate and have gen-like appearance.
Rep pearl has accurate rim and shape for a F-series. Regarding the pearl colour, it is not possible to talk about differences and accuracy because not only the gen PAM 087 has different colours of pearls depending on the material used by Panerai, but it depends a lot on the angle of view and the lighting. In this regard read below post from Grimlocktime:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/274886-087-is-finally-out-****-QC-pics-allowed-****?p=2542305&viewfull=1#post-2542305by Grimlocktime
More comments about the pearl from projectologist here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?248805-I-got-a-feeling-Coming-up-Pam-087&p=2741298&viewfull=1#post2741298 by projectologist
Therefore we can consider that rep pearl is accurate in practice.
CROWN & CROWN-GUARD
Crown and crown tube are accurate although they are less polished than gen as usually
Gen Crown Guard has more rounded edges in general than rep, it is like in the case, even the gen CG lever has more rounded edges. See below pic

PAM 087 VIEW FROM 3 hrs. AND CROWN GUARD - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

Obviously old gen PAMs didn’t have the impressive finish quality of new ones. That affects also the inner corners of the CG. The finish of H maker rep is even better, but that makes the rep CG somehow inaccurate.
I have seen many gen pics from different sources and what I see is that the inner CG corners of the gen are not either squared or rounded, they are originally “chamfered”. In the same way as PAM 064, PAM 056 and PAM 061. H maker has already proved the capacity to get this “chamfered” inner corners, because H maker has already got this feature in the reps of PAM 056 and 061.

GEN PAM 087 CHAMFERED INNER CORNERS OF CG

Due to the little inconsistency of gen finish in those old models we can find gens from perfectly “chamfered” inner corners to slightly rounded corners. The reason is well explained for PolonusTM is his nice review:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=262619 by PolonusTM
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/278073-H-factory-PAM-087F-photos-and-comments by PolonusTM
Below some gen pics to shown these differences. On many of them you can see perfectly the “chamfered” above commented.

GEN PAM 087 DIFFERENT INNER CORNERS OF CG

More comments about the CG from projectologist here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=248805&p=2741202&viewfull=1#post2 741202 by projectologist
Another issue that I have found reviewing the H maker PAM 087 is a misalignment between the inner sides of the CG hollow. You can see this misalignment in below pic, observing the differences between the orange correctly aligned lines and the blue misaligned lines. The misalignment is produced either at the top or at the bottom. Most likely these misalignments are produced because the CG doesn’t fit correctly the mid-case being a little open. When you tighten the CG with the screws, the CG takes the shape of the mid-case reducing the angle of the inner corners and producing those misalignments of the inner sides. Curiously gen also shows sometimes the same misalignment (see above pics of gen CG)

H MAKER REP PAM 087 MISALIGNMENT BETWEEN INNER SIDES OF CROWN GUARD HOLLOW

CG lever shape is very accurate either in the part tightening the crown or the tip, but the gen edges are much more rounded. 1000m engraving has accurate fonts but, like on caseback engravings, is shallower than gen. See view from 3hrs. comparison pic above in this Section.
CG pin is nicely finished but is flatter than gen without the little rounded edges that gen has.
Therefore H maker CG, which has squared corners and edges, is very nicely finished, as above commented, even better than gen, but somehow it is inaccurate. Rep CG has accurate lever and correct CG pin but with sharper edges. There is no reason to downgrade this nice rep due to the little inaccuracies of the nice CG which indeed is even better than gen.
CASEBACK:
Rep caseback is also less soft than gen, all the edges are sharper, and even the transition edge between the conical shape and the flat central circle is much sharper than gen, which presents more rounded transition. The central flat circle is smaller in gen, maybe due to the rounded transition that reduces the size. Leaving aside the OP 6541 the BB serial number and the production number, which have some little differences, all engravings have accurate fonts and layout in comparison with gen F-series onwards. The main difference is that gen engravings are way deeper and this is noticeable. We can see above commented in below comparison pic

PAM 087 CASEBACK - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

DIAL LAYOUT:
H maker dial layout is really good with accurate placements and sizes. Only the PANERAI Automatic inscription is placed a bit lower in the rep.
DIAL INSCRIPTIONS:
Dial white inscriptions: stick minute markers, LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE, 1000m, PANERAI Automatic are accurate in colour and thickness. The main flaws are in “R” font, as usual in H maker, which has different font and straight end of the “R” tail whereas gen “R” tail is pointy. Below pic shows the differences. There are also some differences in T SWISS MADE T and in Automatic but they are few noticeable. It is a pity the inaccurate “R”, because the inscriptions, aside this matter, are really good. Below pic illustrates above commented differences. DIAL NUMERAL MARKERS:
Fonts are accurate in “12” and “6”, just “6” is a bit thicker in rep (see the size of the “6” inner circle in below comparison pic.).
Regarding lume application gen has a smooth surface sausage lume shape of the numerals, with yellowish ochre colour, circled with a much lighter contour whereas rep has the same contour no lighter but with the same colour as the sausage lume. Some times rep has rougher lume material of sausage aplication than gen, but this is few noticeable in real size.
DIAL RECTANGULAR STICK MARKERS:
Rep rectangular STICK markers are very nicely made, even with better finish and appearance than gen, but due to that have some inaccuracies. In effect, dial stick markers rim contour are thinner and much crisper and defined in rep. Gen contours are thicker and much more rounded, they look embossed whereas rep contours look machined. Rep are nicer but unfortunately inaccurate. Sticks lume application is clearly convex in gen with a marked dome, but rep sticks lume is completely flat and without relief. See the differences in below comparison pic.

PAM 087 DIAL DIFFERENCES - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

LUME COLOURS AND APPLICATION:
There is no reason to strictly judge lume in a rep of a Tritium lume gen watch, because Tritium lume will have lost the power in an old gen watch and the colour uncharged will really have undergone very variable changes from yellowish ivory to orange or brownish depending on original lume material, environment conditions and how old is the watch.
Rep lume power is good enough to satisfy owners. Rep stick markers colour is a tad more orange than numerals which are more yellow or ochre. Rep hands lume is more or less like the numerals.
In the gen overall lume colour is less marked or lighter than rep. Gen stick markers lume is also more orange than numerals but the hands are usually lighter. But we have to bear in mind that, as above commented, the aging colour of a Tritium lume has not fixed rules and we could get any combination of colours in an old gen.
Gen hands lume is usually lighter than numeral markers, this maybe is produced because, at least in last series, PANERAI is using Luminova instead of Tritium lume for the hands, in order to avoid a premature and ugly corrosion. In this way a lighter colour of rep hands lume would be interesting to get more accuracy.
We can say that rep lume colours are accurate, matching a very aged Tritium dial, just in the limit of darkness and aging. Maybe hands should be a bit lighter, for above commented reasons, and in this way some modders are working with this reps.
Interesting comments about the colours here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/274886-087-is-finally-out-****-QC-pics-allowed-****?p=2542305&viewfull=1#post-2542305 by Grimlocktime
DATE WINDOW AND DATE WHEEL:
Date window and date fonts are accurate. No worries about this matter.
SECONDS SUBDIAL @9:
Gen subdial is very recessed, even more recessed than rep subdial, and in last series (F,G, and H) usually shows clear concentric circles. Some gens with few textured dial have no visible circles. But H maker rep is copying highly textured dials. Regarding concentric circles see comments and comparison pics below in the section of dial texture.
White dots and lume sticks on subdial are accurate in H maker rep. See below comments and pics of gen and reps subdials
DIAL SURFACE TEXTURE:
This is a controversial matter on this rep. But it is not so important since gens present also a lot of variations even in the same series. Below you can see three gen PAM 087 dial surfaces of F-series (like H maker rep).

GEN PAM 087 SMOOTH TEXTURE SURFACE DIAL – Gen from Shoes

This dial of shoes’s gen has smooth texture almost invisible under nuked eye and subdial has no concentric circles.

GEN PAM 087 MEDIUM TEXTURE SURFACE DIAL – Gen for sale at Watchuwant

Above dial presents a medium texture and the concentric circles are already visible

GEN PAM 087 REGULAR TEXTURE SURFACE DIAL – Gen from Grimlocktime

Grimlocktime PAM 087 gen shows a noticeable textured dial and the concentric circles are clearly visible and evident
H maker rep dial surface texture is even more marked and evident than above gens. Rep texture is less uniform than gen and is usually a bit rougher. The rep dial texture many times reaches and cover the subdial, getting dirty, partially erasing and even covering the concentric circles. We can see in below rep pics some examples of H maker dial texture and concentric circles from nice texture and defined circles to rough texture and blurred or erased subdial circles:

H MAKER REP PAM 087 TEXTURE SURFACE DIAL AND SUBDIAL CONCENTRIC CIRCLES

Anyway we can say that rep dial texture looks nice and only under some lighting conditions it could seem very high, excessive or rough. I would say it is accurate enough and beautiful.
CRYSTAL:
Gen has a very thick 5mm crystal. Rep crystal looks also as thick as gen and the Cyclops is accurate in size but with more evident “frozen halo” than gen. Magnification is also like gen. AR seems OK but I had desired a better clarity in my own rep. Overall accurate and nice crystal.
HANDS and CANNON PINION
Hands are accurate with a bit dark lume, as above commented. The circle of fixation of the hands to the CP is not as flat as gen, it is a bit concave.

PAM 087 HANDS AND CANNON PINION - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

CP is very good: accurate, flat and polished, with a bit rounded edges and flush. Rep CP is actually better than it is showed in the pic, it looks more polished and flatter. It looks really good in real thing and at real size, even under the loupe.
Both hands and CP, aside the lume colour, are at real size really good and accurate. No worries in this regard.
MOVEMENT:
Rep movement is an A7750 without chrono functions and decorated rotor with blue engravings.
Gen is a OPIII based in the same Valjoux 7750, without chrono functions and with rotor and bridges decorated with PANERAI PANERAI engravings and golden inscriptions
The rep movement is reliable, and more without the chrono functions, but the decoration is inaccurate and we can see the evident differences in below pic. Since the caseback is solid this inaccuracy is not very important and the rep movement A7750 is reliable enough.

PAM 087 MOVEMENT - GEN–H MAKER COMPARISON

STRAP:
I usually don’t talk about rep straps, because I consider that people change the rep strap following their own taste. But in this case rep strap is a dark grey with ivory-yellow stitching (matching aged Tritium type lume) made of a lizard type leather which IMO match perfectly the watch and looks really nice. I have kept the rep strap in my PAM 087 and I’m really happy with the combo.

CONCLUSIONS AND EVALUATION:
H maker has really done a good job with this PAM 087 F-series. There are some obvious inaccuracies: overall sharper edges, finish of the bezel brushing, “R” of dial inscriptions, surrounds of dial rectangular stick lumed markers, depth of caseback and lever (1000m) engravings…
But overall look is impressive and the rep has a very strong gen-like appearance. Only by a close inspection and knowing the gen you can tell the inaccuracies. Wear this nice rep is really a pleasure, even with the rep strap, and it is a true eye-catching.
Bear in mind that it is very difficult to copy an old gen watch, with a lot of parts hand finished and with a textured blue dial with aged Tritium type lume. The rep is made by machining and hand finish is used only in the necessary points, that gives to the rep a “perfectly” machined and sharp appearance different from the smoother and hand made look of some gen parts.
PAM 087 H maker is not at all the most accurate rep of PAM SUBs but it is one of the most beautiful and eye-catching. We can consider PAM 087 F-series H maker a nice Super rep bordering a lower status due to some obvious inaccuracies. Anyway it is a must in a good PAM rep collection.

Additional info here:
Nice gen-rep comparison review with awesome pics by Grimlocktime:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/309740-The-Definitive-PAM087F-Rep-Versus-Gen-Comparison by Grimlocktime
Nice review with fanbtastic pics by Kilowattore
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/302846-H-Fac-PAM-087-La-Bomba-review-Better-than-gen-PICS-HEAVY by kilowattore
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?267633-H-Fac-PAM-087-La-Bomba-review-Better-than-gen-PICS-HEAVY by kilowattore
Nice reviews by PolonusTM
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=262619 by PolonusTM
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/278073-H-factory-PAM-087F-photos-and-comments by PolonusTM
Nice pictorial and review from mike00
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=262983&p=2746140#post2746140 by mike00
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/279909-PAM087-Submersible-1000m-***pictorial-review***?p=2571078#post-2571078 by mike00
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/274886-087-is-finally-out by COLDI
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=248805 by mike00
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=262609&p=2742991#post2742991 by denisegold


PAM 087
REPLICA links:
-PAM 087 C-series A-7750 Low grade rep
No longer available

-PAM 087 H maker F-series w/ A-7750
(**)http://puretime01.com/pam087-f-luminer-submersible-blue-dial-on-gray-leather-strap-a7750.html#
(**)http://www.toro888.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1878
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2482-pam087-h-maker-best-edition-blue-dial-on-lizard-strap-a7750.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=14169
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/-p-18591.html

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_28.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/1000m.html
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?87569-I-think-I-m-done&
http://uhrforum.de/panerai-pam-087-la-bomba-t120584
http://cda.chronomania.net/forum_entry.php?id=125646
https://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-87-g-luminor-submersible-1000m-la-bamba-44mm-stainless-steel-discontinued-model
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=194483
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1144944500/Pam%2B087%2B-%2Bdifferent%2Bversions
4-6

EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (F & I -series other reps & I-series DSN)
(**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (H maker I-series)
(**) SUPER REP (Noob O-series) best option
(**) SUPER REP (H maker N-series)
The PAM 088 is identical to the PAM237 except with a silver grey seconds@9 sub-dial. This silvered dial gives to this watch a lot of personality and due to that it is a very appreciated model.
The PAM 088, started in 2001 D-series, is a watch with GMT markers in the dial. Panerai changed to inner dial markers from 2000 with the PAM 063, before that the PAM 023 and 029 had GMT markers in the bezel (Explorer type)
PAM 088 is the first GMT Panerai with seconds@9 sub-dial, older models, PAM 023, 029 and 063 have central second hand.
PAM 088 is also the first GMT Panerai with all silvered and well visible GMT hand, before PAM 088 the models PAM 023, 029 and 063 had a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer was visible.
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.


-Replicas before 2013
There are several replicas F-series and I-series from all regular dealers and also I-series from DSN. They all are from low grade to First Class reps bordering lower status.
Now there is a new best version I-series from H-maker seemingly more accurate and with better markers colour which we can consider it as a Super rep bordering lower status.


-Noob O-series
July 2013- Noob releases a new version of this replica PAM 088 O-series with improved Cyclops with less "frozen halo" and better subdial @9 colour. This subdial features concentric circles like the gen and can get the same variations of gen nuances in subdial colour. The CG has the same magnificent quality of last Noob releases. Besides Noob has improved the bevelled of the crystal closer to gen , has introduced a "slim" crown and has improved shape of the roller support of lever. A new Super replica
More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210558
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210723&page=2
Very interesting comparison review of PAM 088 Noob 2013 vs. GEN:
http://www.wrist-check.com/showthread.php?34740-Noob-PAM088-vs-Gen-PAM088-by-nakortheblue by Nakortheblue
Good pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pictorial-review-pam-157676?p=1582402 by mapman57


-H maker N-series
August 2013- H maker releases a N-series version, almost the same as previous I-series. Maybe with better lume, better cyclops and slightly improved CG. But anyway worse version than Noob in case-set, CG, bevelled of crystal and subdial @9. Despite that another Super rep.
Very good candidate for a first PAM replica.

PAM 088
REPLICA links:
-REPS before 2013
http://puretime.watch/product/pam088-gmt-ultimate-edition/ Old low grade rep
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam088-i-h-maker-colorless-ar-edition-on-black-rubber-strap/ Hmaker I-series
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12346-pa7080b-pam088-i-gmt-h-factory-black-ss-cro-asian-7750.html Hmaker I-series
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&produ cts_id=8846 Hmaker I-series
(*)http://www.dsnwatches.com/2015/08/11/pam-088i/ DSN I-series

-H maker N-series
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14351-pa14351-pam088-n-luminor-gmt-h-factory-black-ss-lt-asian-7750.html
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14351-pa14351-pam088-n-luminor-gmt-h-factory-black-ss-lt-asian-7750.html
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1644
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2229-pam-088-n-1-1-hf-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&produ cts_id=11084
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn088n01-088n-ssru-black-a7750-28800-p-14689.html
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn088n02-088n-ssle-black-a7750-28800-p-14687.html

-Noob O-series
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam088-o-11-noob-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap/
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14284-14284.html
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/1231-pam088-o-1-1-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_31.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=6 67&id_categoria=37
9-5

EVALUATION: FIRST CLASS REP medium level (H maker E-series)
The gen PAM 089 follows the way open by the PAM 088 in the GMT line of Panerai watches.
This watch introduced in 2001 D-series has case and bezel made of brushed Titanium and sports an interesting Anthracite brushed dial with a Black seconds@9 sub-dial. It has a strong personality.
Like PAM 088 the 089 is a watch with GMT markers in the dial. Panerai changed to inner dial markers from 2000 with the PAM 063, before that the PAM 023 and 029 had GMT markers in the bezel (Explorer type)
Like PAM 088 the 089 has seconds@9 sub-dial, older models, PAM 023, 029 and 063 have central second hand.
And like PAM 088 has all silvered and well visible GMT hand, before PAM 088 the models PAM 023, 029 and 063 had a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer was visible.
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
Until Mars 2013 there were replicas from regular dealers and also from DSN. They all are very similar and quite good reps.

Mars 2013- H maker introduces a promising replica of this watch made of real Ti and seemingly with accurate dial.
You can see many pics and info in this thread :
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=140583 by PolonusTM

This is an awesome looking watch, with a lot of nuances in the dial, changing with light conditions. But the CG has the same shape issue of the new H maker PAM 061. And some differences too in Lugs shape. But the construction and finish are impressive, and it is easy forgetting the flaws. We will wait for future improvements.
Evaluation: First Class rep medium level
Nice pictorial here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=89801&hl=&fromsearch=1 by dalboy - Gazzla

PAM 089
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam089-gmt-titanium/
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13706-pa13706-.html H maker E-series
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+089&product_id=817 H maker E-series
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2629&ti= H maker E-series
(*)http://www.p-cls.com/pn089e02-089e-antra-p-13499.html H maker E-series
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&produ cts_id=753
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&produ cts_id=10605 H maker E-series
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=101595 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Titanium%20Automatic%20watches/New%20Born%20089E/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_35.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (I-series H maker) (please note: non working PR see comments)
The PAM 090 is the CG on the Right version of PAM 123 Destro
The PAM 222 is a variation of the PAM 090 with Dot markers instead of Stick markers and a decorated Hobnail engraved dial.
The gen PAM 090 introduced in 2001 D-series was, with the 093, the first Power Reserve with the new dial of this Panerai’s line.
The Power Reserve line started with the PAM 027-028 and 057 having big central second hand and PR indicator @6. The PR line underwent a fairly radical design change from the 2001 D-series with the models PAM 090 and 093. The seconds hand is now a small-seconds @9 and the power reserve indicator is now @4. The movement changed from Soprod type to a modified Valjoux OP IX.
There are cheap PAM 090 replicas fitted with A21J and functional PR
See a nice pictorial here
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=86367 by Gazzla
And there are First Class reps bordering lower status (due to lack of PR function) from H maker fitted with A7750 movements but non functional PR (bear in mind this lack of PR function in case it is important for you)

PAM 090
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam090-i-h-maker-best-edition-on-deployant-rubber-strap-a7750/ Hmaker I
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11265-pa0940xf-pam090i-luminor-panerai-black-dial-working-power-reserve-ss-ru-asian-7750.html Hmaker I
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12298-pa6810b-pam090-i-h-factory-best-black-ss-lt-power-reserve-asian-7750.html Hmaker I
http://www.tswatchltd.com/8226-pa6010-pam090-luminor-power-reserve-44mm-ss-lt-asian-autoamtic.html A21J
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?P_id=2319&ti= Hmaker I
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+090&product_id=90 Hmaker I
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&produ cts_id=8861 Hmaker I
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&produ cts_id=408 A21J
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6711 Hmaker I
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_39.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7 21&id_categoria=38
**

The PAM 086 and 091 released in 2001 were the first PAM Luminor Marina Automatic of 44mm. Both models have a complex, but beautiful, Anthracite dial with contrasted different colour seconds@9 sub-dials, minute dial markers and date window with cyclops @3. These watches have a lot of personality and character. Their complex dial contrasts with the more simple dial of the next Panerai automatic, the PAM 104, released in 2002.
The gen PAM 091 have the 44mm standard Panerai Titanium / SS mix bracelet.
This replica PAM 091 is exclusive from DSN catalogue, it is a very nice watch, with a lot of personality and the body watch replica is quite good, but it has a leather strap instead of the beautiful contrasted Ti / SS mix bracelet like the gen has. Therefore we cannot consider it an accurate replica.

PAM 091
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=100036 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Titanium%20Automatic%20watches/New%20Born%20091E/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_172.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
**

The gen PAM 092 was delayed from 2001, 2002, 2003… the Arktos finally surfaced in 2004.It is a watch launched in 500 units to commemorate the start of the Arctic expedition of Mike Horn.
The Arktos story actually started with the Arktos PAM 92. The Arktos Expedition ended up being accomplished in 2 phases due to rough conditions that almost caused Mike Horn to lose the use of his hands and feet permanently due to severe frostbite. He had to take a break to recuperate and during this time he asked Panerai to equip him with a new GMT watch (so he could know what time it was at home & when he called his family). When Mike Horn resumed the Arktos expedition, he was equipped by Panerai with the PAM 186 Arktos GMT (read more about that that in PAM 186 and PAM 252)
Following a general people trend, we have classified the PAM 092 as a Submersible, really it has the looks of Panerai Submersible watches, but - although the gen is water resistant up to 300 meters - technically it's not a submersible. Its rotating bezel is not used to calculate submersion time but it functions as a compass aid instead. The letters N,E,S and W are on the bezel to indicate North, East, South and West. The watch can be used to find the north direction by making the hour hand point straight at the sun. Half the angle between the hour hand and the 12 o'clock index. This direction is south! You can then rotate the bezel to that position to keep track of where you're going. It's a nice function but probably more of a gadget than a useful one.
To make this piece more resistance, as the reason for which it was created, crystal thickness amounts to 4.2 mm.
The PAM 092 has a solid steel case back with a picture of a world map engraved, with an ellipse with an arrow over the Arctic Circle (indicating the circumnavigation), the Arktos inscription and the signature of Mike Horn. The engraving refers to above mentioned Mike Horn's North Pole Winter Expedition.
The replica has a quite good quality.

PAM 092
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam092-arktos-ultimate-edition-ultimate-edition/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/7080-pa7400-pam092-luminor-arktos-44mm-black-dial-ss-ny-asian-21j.html
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11628-xfpa3180-pam092-luminor-arktos-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-21j-automatic.html
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+092&product_id=795
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&produ cts_id=37
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&produ cts_id=38
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_121.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials04.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&i d_prodotto=4388&id_categoria=3084
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2004/156-luminor-arktos-pam00092
**

EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (I-series H maker)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (N-series Noob)
Evaluation thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-evaluation-thread-125374
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (N-series H maker)
Evaluation thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-evaluation-thread-125377
(**) SUPER REP (O-series Noob)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (O-series H maker)
The PAM 104 is the same as PAM 229 but with Black dial instead of Blue
The PAM 104 is the same as PAM 220 but with Polished case and Leather strap
There is a version similar to PAM 104 in brushed Titanium and Brown dial: the PAM 240 released in 2007.
PAM 104 is full polished even the CG.
The PAM 104 was released in 2002, after the PAM 086 and 091 released in 2001, and it breaks the trend of complex dials started by these models. In comparison with the PAM 086 and 091 the PAM 104 has a very simple and smart black dial.


-Replicas before 2013 – H maker I-sereis - Noob and H maker N-series
There are old reps from H maker I-series evaluated as First Class reps low level.
The best versions, until May 2013, are PAM 104 N-series last replicas from H maker and Noob.
See flaws and quality comments in Evaluation threads above indicated:
Evaluation thread:http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-evaluation-thread-125374
Evaluation thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-evaluation-thread-125377
The Evaluation results are as follows:
- Noob N is superior and can be considered a First Class rep bordering Super rep status.
- H maker N is inferior and is a First Class rep high level


-Noob O-series
May 2013- Noob releases an improved PAM 104 O-series.
Some discussion about here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-104-164-145784?p=1444625 by Ruski91
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=206679 by Puretime
Some good pics of the rep here: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1554499&postcount=18by slashtom
Therefore, we can see that this version get some improvements from V3 Noob case application (mainly almost perfect CG) and, besides, new improvements from last releases 2013 of Noob O-series (PAM 088-104 and 297) as follows:
- More accurate beveled in crystal
- Improved frozen halo in cyclops, although still existent
- Colourless Cyclops
-Improved bevelled on crystal
-Better shape of roller support in CG lever
-"Slim" Crown
Since we had evaluated last Noob version as a First Class rep high level we can consider this version O-series as a new Super rep.


-H maker O-series
August 2015- H maker released a rep PAM 104 O-series. There is not official announcement and improvements are not great. Maybe a better finished case and a bit better Cyclops and CP, but the CG remains the same as previous version and worse than Noob versions. No changes on evaluation: First Class rep high level. Therefore the rep stays being worse than Noob O-series

This is a good candidate as a first Panerai replica

PAM 104
REPLICA links:
-H maker I-series
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2227

-H maker N-series
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12536-pa8610b-pam104-n-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-7750.html
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=9488

-Noob N-series
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php/index.php?route=product/search&keyword=pam%20104
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1021

-Noob O-series
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam104-o-11-noob-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a7750/ Noob O-series
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13870-pa13870.html Noob O-series

-H maker O-series
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2228-pam104-superlumed-hf-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_14.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7 30&id_categoria=35
9-5

The gens PAM 106 and 170 were a bracelet variant to the submersible line, added in D-series (2002). They have SS bezel and Titanium case instead of an all-SS or all-Ti construction. The bracelet is the Panerai 44mm standard Titanium / SS mix.
The PAM 106 is the same as PAM 170, but the 170 has polished SS parts (bezel and SS bracelet links) instead of brushed like the PAM 106.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
This replica PAM 106 is exclusive from DSN catalogue, and the body watch replica is quite good, but it has a leather strap instead of the beautiful contrasted Ti / SS mix bracelet like the gen has. Therefore we cannot consider it an accurate replica.

PAM 106
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=73873 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20%20Titanium%2044mm%20Submersile%20%20watches/Pam%20106D/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_29.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
**

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
In 2002 two PAM chronographs a very Limited Edition (only 100 PAM 108) were produced in a co-branding effort with AMG Mercedes. These are close relatives of the current Luminor Chronograph of 40mm but differing hands and typeface on the dial.
These watches were the expensive PAM 105 (only 55 watches produced) made of Polished White Gold and the above watch PAM 108 made of all-mix Brushed Titanium and polished SS in Case-bezel and bracelet. The two watches had even different dial layouts, and different movements.
The rep PAM 108 has a bracelet made of brushed-polished SS instead of the mix bracelet made of Brushed Ti and Polished SS of the gen, which has much better quality. The dial is very inaccurate too. The display caseback denounces also a very different movement. This replica is a Low grade rep and it is not an advisable purchase.

PAM 108
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_53&produ cts_id=4604
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_105.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials02.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2002/169-luminor-chrono-automatic-for-amg-pam00108
**

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M&N-series Noob, M&N-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP best option (N-series V3 Noob)
The PAM 111 is the same as PAM 112 but with seconds@9 subdial
There is also a watch similar to PAM 111 but in all brushed Titanium version: the PAM 177.
The PAM 247 Ferretti Limited Edition is like a PAM 111 but with solid caseback with signature Ferretti.
There is a Destro version, the PAM 026 but PVD coated and Solid caseback.
The Panerai PAM 111 Luminor Marina is inspired by one of the pioneer models of Luminor which was introduced in the 1940s
The PAM 111 is one of the most famous Panerai watches and many people have been introduced in the Panerai World by this model released in 2002.

From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Marina used the OP II movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Marina now contains the OP XI movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
The PAM 111 is a charismatic PAM, people loves it: It was very curious to see the way it got first place (with a great difference), of RWI Replica of the Year 2011 award from the PAM 005 or PAM 029, despite your Display caseback which denounces its evident flaws (lack of Y shape on Incabloc and usually very bad Swan Neck)
See below threads:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/swan-neck-part-iii-statistical-90559?t=90559 by ALE
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=134438 by ALE
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=134437 by ALE
There are good modifications of these replicas to fix above mentioned flaws. As very good example you can see the pics of an awesome work made by goin 6633 here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/little-trick-for-113732?p=1114263 by goin
More modds by goin:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-111n-noob-131974?p=1297534 by goin
Despite above mentioned flaws (denounced by the Display caseback) the Pam 111 N and M from Noob are one of the best replica ever made. For more information read:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=86121by Puretime
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=177078 by bilabong
The latest versions N-series from Noob must have some improvements over the others. We say “must” because the earlier batches not always had all these improvements. We are not deliberately talking about version numbers V1-V2-V2.5-V3, because it will be useless, since there is a big confusion concerning this matter, read here.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=109433 by tranzmizzion

September 2012- the "new" so-called V3 version was released. There is a thread started to determine the improvements and flaws of this V3 version:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=115770 by ALE, really very supported by the PCTeam member sharrkey.
According to observations from sharrkey and ALE , the improvements we can expect are:
- Crystal updated to single AR like gen PAM 111 with a very good optics. Be careful because some items seem to have the crystal a little too raised.
- Hands must be Pre-V type like gen.http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=108593
- Flattened and polished cannon pinion.
- Matching hands and dial superlume, certainly not as bright as the H-maker’s lume.
- CG improved to the latest standard with nice “square” inner edges. http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1054542&postcount=10 by ALE
-“A” central horizontal bar in dial inscriptions is placed higher (very, very lightly).
- Strap screws do seem a better fit, more flush
- Serial numbers in caseback are engraved more deeply.
- Improved and more visible Roller of the lever and axle.
- Nice engraved OFFICINE PANERAI on the movement plates. It semms that sometimes the last “I” is a little lower.
- No modifications concerning Swan Neck (either spring or screw), Incabloc or movement.
As showed in above mentioned thread about V3, the flaws to be corrected in this V3 version are:
- “Y” shaped Incabloc http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=113823.html by goin
- Long screw on Swan Neck
- Correct SHAPE in Swan Neck Spring supporthttp://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1168765&postcount=332by ALE
- “Slim” crown http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1156643&postcount=269 by ALE
- Gasket for the CG Pinhttp://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=119090 by Rwolf
- Brushed movement golden Gears and polished bevel of Wheels
- Improvement of OFFICINE PANERAI engraving in movement bridges
The "Fat" crown to be corrected to "Slim" crown is a curious flaw showed by Rwolf in above mentioned thread, about the thickness of the contour (wheel rim) of the Noob crown. This thickness is bigger than gen one, and the H maker crowns are like gen. To well understand this issue see below pic:

According to Rwolf this Noob “Fat” crown is appropriate for old models without Roller lever, but models with Roller are fitted with “Slim” crowns. Therefore, H maker crown is more accurate for the new series (K-L-M-N-O…) with Roller. See posts #259->#274 in above mentioned thread.
See a good pictorial PAM 111 with gen strap here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam111n-gen-114941?p=1126478 by Del
Pictorial and comparisons with old PAM 111 H maker by Baxter:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?t=34529 by Baxter
WARNING: Be careful because there is from Nov 2012 a batch of V3 Noob with wrong dial markers. For more info read:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=125655p2 by ALE
To detect the flaw:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/124514-pcteam-how-to-detect-the-wrong-dial-in-a-pam-111-v3-noob by ALE
There are replica versions fitted with “Swiss” movements. These "Swiss" movements are not the same of the original mounted in the current gen watches. They are, at best, a "cheap Swiss" Low beat movement with a "cheap" Novodiac shock protection system instead of Incabloc and with an horrible Swan Neck, the same or worse than which you can find in the replicas. The advice is: Save your money and get the good and accurate enough Asian movement.
From Dec 2012 there is a Swiss movement version with a perfect Incabloc, but they are Low beat and have an horrible wrong Swan Neck typical of Noob. They are no worth in my opinion.
The H maker models are very good Super reps too, but Noob is superior due to some differences as follows:
- Noob has better creamish colour and enbossed inscriptions on dial.
- Noob has superior Sandwich dial with deepest markers.
- The current Noob crystal quality and AR are similar if no better than H maker (in old versions H maker was superior).
- Cannon pinion in last version of Noob is more flattened and polished and, therefore, better than H maker CP.
- Better Noob Crown Guard (square inner edges and finish)
- Swan Neck spring and screw continues being clearly superior in H maker.
- H maker has worse finish in movement wheels and worse head shape of screws.
- H maker has printed OFFICINA PANERAI on bridges instead of engraved like in Noob and gen
Noob 44mm case was usually better than H maker, now V3 is clearly better. There is a good review about this comparison made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
PAM 111 is a perfect candidate for a first PANERAI replica.

PAM 111
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-n-v3-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap-with-pre-v-hands/ Noob N V3
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-n 3-noob-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-with-pre-v-hands/ Noob N V3
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-n-v3-noob-best-edition-on-black-croco-leather-strap-with-pre-v-hands/ Noob N V3
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap/ Noob M
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob M
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-m-11-h-maker-edition-on-dark-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker M
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-m-11-h-maker-edition-on-hand-stitched-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker M
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam111-m-11-h-maker-edition-on-black-rubber-strap/ Hmaker M
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12889-xfpa2180-noobfactory-pam111-n-v3-black- dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N V3
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12922-xfpa2280fo-noobfactory-pam111-n-v3-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N V3
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12890-xfpa2190-noobfactory-pam111-n-v3-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N V3
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12369-pa7210b-pam111-m-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker N
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12221-pa6100b-pam111-luminor-marina-black-dial-ss-lt-h-maker-1-1-v-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+111&product_id=87 Noob N V3
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2630&ti= Noob N V3
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2631&ti= Noob N V3
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2167&ti= Hmaker M
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1203 Noob N V3
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=102 Noob N V3
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=8150 Noob M
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=8149 Noob M
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=9172 Hmaker N
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=9396 Hmaker N
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&produ cts_id=7708 Hmaker M
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn111m11-ssru-dial-a6497-p-10779.html Noob M
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn111n01-111n-ssru-21600-p-11890.html Hmaker N
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn111n02-111n-ssle-21600-p-12135.html Hmaker N
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn111m03-111m-ssle-6497-superlume-p-10267.html Hmaker M
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=75554 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20Pam%20111M%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_7.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=6 45&id_categoria=34
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-N series Noob, M-series H maker) Noob is best option
The PAM 112 is the same as PAM 111 but without seconds@9 subdial.
The PAM 112 is the CG on the Right version of PAM 219 Destro.
There is a watch similar to PAM 112 but in all brushed Titanium version: the PAM 176.
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Base used the OP I movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Base now contains the OP X movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
The PAM112 has been in production since 2002 E-series but the earlier version had a smaller and polished crown guard and a Sausage Luminova dial. It is probably no coincidence that Panerai stopped production of the PAM002 at the same time the company started producing the 112, as the two models would have been very similar if not the same. From the 2005 H-series PAM 112 onwards however, the watch comes with a sandwich dial and a larger brushed steel crown guard.
The new generation of reps is very good and at this moment we have Super reps of this model M-series from Noob and H maker.
M Noob or M H-maker? for more information read:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=107874 by blind-m
In my opinion Noob case and dial are better and overall Noob has better quality.

Last quarter 2012- Noob starts to introduce the improvements of V3 PAM 111 in all Luminor cases 44mm. Therefore from the end of 2012 these models, PAM 112 included, get V3 improvements. Usually these watches are marked N-series
Noob 44mm case was usually better than H maker, now V3 is clearly better. There is a good review about this comparison made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
A perfect candidate for a first PANERAI replica.

PAM 112
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam112-m-h-maker-best-edition-on-hand-stitched-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker M
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam112-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-croc-strap/ Noob M
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12127-xfpa5570-pam112-m-luminor-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-6497-manual-wind.html Noob M
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12145-xfpa5750-pam112-m-luminor-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497-manual-wind.html Noob M
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12129-xfpa5590-pam112-m-luminor-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497-manual-wind.html Noob M
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+112&product_id=121 Noob N
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=115 Noob N
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&produ cts_id=8517 Noob M
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&produ cts_id=7775 Hmaker M
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=75555 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/Pam%20112H/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_4.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=6 38&id_categoria=33
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (DSN H-series)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (Hmaker O-series)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (Noob-Toro O-series) - best option
The PAM 113 is the same as PAM 114 but with seconds@9 subdial.
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Marina used the OP II movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Base now contains the OP XI movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
Therefore the PAM 113 released in 2002 E-series has OP XI movement and
Display caseback.
It is the White dial version of this new generation of Luminor Marina. The dial of the 113 has Luminova dots at the position of the hours, to ascertain that one can still read the time in the dark. Leaving aside the 9 the painted dial has all the numbers, as opposed to most Panerai Marina watches that usually only have the 3, 6 and 12 on the dial.
Before 2103 there were some replicas of relative good quality, but the best ones were old reps E-series quite good, and H-series from DSN that are First Class rep low level, with some flaws on dial and case.
Please note there are interesting combinations in order to make a better rep. Read about that an interesting RWI post by armanou-pascal:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/its-summer-time-108080

June 2013- H maker releases a rep PAM 113 O-series, with the H maker case and a dial with some pros and many important cons. The white of the dial surface is accurate and nice and the overall appearance of glossy markers is good. But if we analyze the dial more deeply you will see:
- Seconds Subdial @9 is raised instead of recessed like gen. It has less concentric circles than gen, and , therefore circles are bigger.
- Markers are overall thicker than gen (mainly big markers)
- Paint of markers and inscriptions is not as glossy and “liquid” as gen. It is a bit matt and lumpy.
- Inscriptions and markers have not the sharpness and clean definition of gen
- Lume dots are raised, but shape is wrong, gen are half spheres.
- Some markers are inaccurate, mainly 8 and 10. And they have little displacements in position
- Inscriptions on dial have some little inaccuracies see “U”, “R” and “P”
Some info and review of this dial in comparison with gen and a prototype of dial from Noob here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=165158 by ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=64908 by ALE
But anyway the dial has nice appearance and in practice is quite good.
Regarding H maker case, it is already well known , and we can get info about it in the review about this matter made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
Bearing in mind above comments we can evaluate this H maker rep as First Class medium level and slightly better than DSN ones.
More info about these Hmaker replicas:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=208918by ATespo
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=211951&p=2286855#post2286855 by vootzilla
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=151349 by C5000
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=209397 by Vincent007

April 2014- Noob in cooperation with Toro released a new rep PAM 113. Previously, in last quarter of 2013, Noob and Toro had sent to me a prototype of the new 113 dial, in order to make a review and detect the possible flaws to be corrected before final production.
I made the review as you can see in below threads:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=165158 by ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=64908 by ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221660 by ALE
And more info in a RG thread by Toro:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=199932
As you can see by the review, the Noob dial has awesome quality and sharpness of markers either numerals or sticks and the inscriptions are also of good quality. The colour is black and glossy like gen and the overall quality is equivalent to the gen. Dial broken white surface is nice too and very gen-like. In relation to above mentioned subjects and markers thickness, even the prototype was the best version at the moment, superior to H maker one.
The main flaws on Noob prototype were:
-Raised seconds Subdial @9 instead of recessed. Just like H maker
-Some inaccuracies in layout and fonts on dial, almost the same as H maker version (few noticeable).
-Some flaws in lume dots on dial contour (worse than H maker).
After knowing the flaws detected by ALE’s review, Noob has decided that it was not worth to make all corrections due to the expected quantity of future sales.
Therefore, the final watch is fitted with a dial almost the same as the prototype. Noob has just corrected the contour lume dots. Making a nice job in this regard and getting almost prefect definition, size and contours of the dots and a very gen-like appearance (just a bit flatter than gen dots). Noob has also corrected the big markers in subdial @9, making them with more “body” and covering the concentric crircles of the subdial, just like gen, a nice job too.
Unfortunately the raised subdial to getting it recessed has not being corrected, and Noob version remains raised like H maker rep. Even, Noob version has a bit creamy colour, few noticeable, but evident and bothering if you know the issue.
Since the prototyope was already better than other versions and Noob has introduced some improvements, although not all possible ones, we can consider the Noob dial the best option in the market . Even, regarding black and glossy markers quality we can consider it almost equivalent to the gen watch. It is really nice as you can see through very enlarged pics in the review. As above said final version has also improved lume dots.
Bearing in mind that Noob version is fitted with the best case-set available: V3 Noob, we can conclude that Noob is overall the best version available in April 2014.
It is a shame that Noob has decided not to modify raised dial, we had got a new Super rep or First Class rep bordering Super rep status. At this moment the evaluation would be First Class good level and the best option available.
More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=225875 by Fuzzer
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=226368&p=2437331#post2437331 by Fuzzer
Interesting comparison Pam 113 O Noob-Toro with DSN PAM 114 H
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=178454 by Mora
PAM 113
REPLICA links:
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam113-o-noob-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497/ Noob O-series
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam113e/ 113E
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=43 113G
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99800 DSN H
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/New%20Born%20113H/ DSN H
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14075-pam113-o-luminor-white-ss-lt-1-1-copy-a6497.html Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2723&ti= Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+113&product_id=836 Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+113&product_id=1001 Noob O-series
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1427 Noob O-series
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=10949 Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn113o01-ssru-white-a6497-21600bph-p-14469.html Hmaker O-series
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_8.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=722&id_categoria=34
http://www.9maiali.com/sellingpost_pic/watches/10K025/larger/10K025_02.jpg
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (Hmaker O-series)
PAM114 is the same as PAM 113 but without seconds@9 subdial.
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Base used the OP I movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Base now contains the OP X movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
Therefore the PAM 114 released in 2002 E-series has OP X movement and Display caseback.
It is the White dial version of this new generation of Luminor Base. The dial of the 114 has Luminova dots at the position of the hours, to ascertain that one can still read the time in the dark. The painted dial has all the numbers, as opposed to most Panerai Luminor Base watches that usually only have the 3,6,9 and 12 on the dial.
The reps of PAM 114 DSN H-sereis are quite good replicas.
Please note there are interesting combinations in order to make a better rep. Read about that an interesting RWI post by armanou-pascal:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/its-summer-time-108080
Now DSN has not available the complete PAM 114 (it is not included in its new photobucket) but you have available the dial:
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Watch%20Parts%20and%20accessories/Watch%20Dials/dials%20for%2044mm%206497%20winding%20movt/114%20Dial/ DSN dial
About this matter read this interesting build by Frigpig:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=131971p4 by Frigpig

June 2013- H maker releases a rep PAM 114 O-series, with the H maker case and a dial with some pros and many important cons. The white of the dial surface is accurate and nice and the overall appearance of glossy markers is good. But if we analyze the dial more deeply you will see:
- Markers are overall thicker than gen (mainly big markers)
- Paint of markers and inscriptions is not as glossy and “liquid” as gen. It is a bit matt and lumpy.
- Inscriptions and markers have not the sharpness and clean definition of gen
- Lume dots are raised, but shape is wrong, gen are half spheres.
- Some markers are inaccurate, mainly 8 and 10. And they have little displacements in position
- Inscriptions on dial have some little inaccuracies see “U”, “R” and “P”
Some info and review of Pam 113 dial (it is the same but with subdial) in comparison with gen and a prototype of dial from Noob here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=165158 by ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=64908 by ALE
But anyway the dial has nice appearance and in practice is quite good.
Regarding H maker case, it is already well known , and we can get info about it in the review about this matter made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
Bearing in mind above comments we can evaluate this H maker rep as First Class medium level and slightly better than DSN ones.
More info about these Hmaker replicas:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=208918 by ATespo
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=151349 by C5000

April 2014-Since Noob in cooperation with Toro have already released a PAM 113 O-series, we remain waiting for a new release of PAM 114 from Noob-Toro fitted with the new Noob dial, which not having subdial @9, it will avoid the subdial flaws and we could get a First Class rep bordering Super rep status or even a Super rep. Read PAM 113 data
ture Noob PAM 113 and 114

PAM 114
REPLICA links:
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=1337&ti= 114 H
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=4382 114 H
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14078-pam114-o-luminor-white-ss-lt-1-1-copy-a6497.html Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2725&ti= Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+114&product_id=837 Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=10950 Hmaker O-series
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn114o01-ssru-white-a6497-21600bph-p-14468.html Hmaker O-series
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_5.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=637&id_categoria=33
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The PAM 117 is the Destro version of PAM 118 CG on the Right.
The rep PAM 117 is the same as rep PAM 056 but with Display caseback instead of Solid. The gens have different movement too.
(See PAM 005 for more related watches)
The dial colour of the replica is Black instead of Brown like the gen. This watch is not an advisable rep. For a Luminor Titanium Destro the best rep choice is PAM 056 from DSN or better D-sereis from H maker

PAM 117
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam115f-lite/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=5230
NOTE: Puretime indicates incorrectly PAM 115 in its catalogue (PAM 115 is made of SS)
GEN links:
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/destro.html
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_161.html
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The PAM 118 is the CG on the Right version of PAM 117 Destro.
It is like a Brushed Titanium version of PAM 005 without logo and with Display caseback (See PAM 005 for more related watches)
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Marina used the OP II movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Marina now contains the OP XI movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
The PAM 118 was released in 2002 E-series, therefore with the OP XI movement and display caseback and has Brown dial.
The dial colour of the replica is Black instead of Brown like the gen. This watch is not an advisable rep. For Luminor Titanium replicas the best options are the PAM 176 and 177, followed by PAM 061 and 056 D-series H maker and followed by PAM 056, PAM 036 and 040 from DSN.

PAM 118
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_50&products_id=96
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_156.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The PAM 119 is a watch similar to PAM 048 but with blue dial.
The gen PAM 119, introduced in 2002 E-series, is a very impressive watch with nice Brushed Blue dial.
This replica has a cheap movement and has a very inaccurate dial. It is a Low grade replica and it is not an advisable purchase.

PAM 119
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_57&products_id=8916
http://www.pf-818.com/pn119k01-40mm-auto-ssle-asia-2813-p-11615.html
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7096
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_169.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto40.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/pam-119-f---luminor-marina-automatic---40mm-stainless-steel---discontinued-model-blue-dial---boxespapers--as-new--id1991569.htm?query=Panerai+pam+119+f+luminor+marina&dosearch=true&searchexplain=1&resultview=list&goal_suggest=1&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/clone-panerai-pam-119-h-luminor-marina-automatic-40mm-stainless-steel-discontinued-model-blu
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The PAM 123 is the Destro version of PAM 090 CG on the Right
The gen PAM 123, introduced in 2002 E-series, belongs to the new generation of Power Reserve with the new dial of this Panerai’s line.
The Power Reserve line started with the PAM 027-028 and 057 having big central second hand and PR indicator @6. The PR line underwent a fairly radical design change from the 2001 D-series with the models PAM 090 and 093. The seconds hand is now a small-seconds @9 (@3 for this PAM 123 Destro version) and the power reserve indicator is now @4 (@10-11 for this Destro version). The movement changed from Soprod type to a modified Valjoux OP IX.
There are relatively cheap and quite good PAM 123 replicas fitted with A23J and functional PR.

PAM 123
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam123-power-reserve-lefty-on-rubber-strap-a2813/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam123-power-reserve-lefty-on-black-croco-leather-strap-/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11625-xfpa2950-pam123-luminor-lefty-black-dial-power-reserve-ss-lt-asian-23j-automatic.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&products_id=6079
http://www.pf-818.com/pn12301-lefty-ssle-asian-functional-reserve-p-8407.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_206.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html
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EVALUATION:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (Noob before Oct 2103)
(**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (Noob from Oct 2013)-(with low distortion crystal)
(**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (ZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc) - (with low distortion crystal) - just a bit worse than Noob
(**) SUPER REP low level (KW-V6FacZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc)-(with correct KW movement and low distortion crystal)
(**) SUPER REP low level (KW-V6Fac version “OOR” w/ “Y” Incabloc)-(with correct KW movement and low distortion crystal)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (DSN version 2015 w/ “Y” Incabloc)- evaluation depending on the origin of the case
The gen PAM 127 1950 “Fiddy” is a homage to the vintage “6152/1”, destined to be the watch of 2002/2003. See this interesting link by Goin: https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/114033-*PCTeam*-History-amp-heritage-6152-1-amp-PAM-127-Fiddy?p=1116950#post-1116950
The Limited Edition production of 1950 pieces is scheduled to be spread over 2002 and 2003.
This watch has a very large 47 mm stainless steel case with a black Sandwich Luminova dial with the 1950 and Luminor Panerai inscriptions. Because this was the first Special Edition in the historically correct 47 mm size with a locking CG, it is probably the most popular special edition ever introduced by Panerai.
It has gold hands and a gold sub second hand that are just stunning against the black background. The crystal is a sapphire with dome shape. It has a Display caseback showing off its OPXI movement, decorated with PANERAI PANERAI engravings, which looks similar in design to the vintage Rolex pocket watch movement that these pieces housed.
Highly collectible due to its Limited Edition of 1950 pieces and its historic resemblance to the vintage watch made in "1950". Also known as the “Fiddy”, this watch has more character than any Panerai watch ever offered.
This gen watch continues to get harder and harder to get as resale prices steadily climb.
The PAM 127 is the CG on the Right version of PAM 217 (but 217 has on the dial Marina Militare instead of Luminor Panerai like the 127)


-Noob reps. before October 2013
PAM 127 reps from Noob factory before October 2103 are First Class rep high level. Bear in mind there is a lower quality old version from Noob.
Beautiful pictorial review PAM 127 on gen strap:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-127-w-119009?p=1167597by BMW760
There are several important flaws on Noob version which you can see below in the modifications proposed by marlin. Especially ugky is the wrong colour of golden engravings OFFICINE PANERAI FIRENZE which is actually yellow
Nice modds by marlin2284 here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/120168-*PCTeam*-My-first-modded-all-Asian-Noob-127 by marlin2284
Here you have a summary of the modifications proposed by marlin 2284 for this watch:

And the general result in comparison with a gen:

Below you can see another marlin proposal based in Swiss gen parts:

Warning: In summer 2012 there was a batch of replicas from Noob seemingly having crystal quality issues. See here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/112606-*PCTeam*-Latest-Noob-Fiddy-crystal-issues?p=1102995 by Goin

At the end of November 2012 Noob introduced a new batch of the watch with a "corrected" crystal. It seems better than the last one, but it is not yet completely OK. We have started a discussion thread about this matter here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/124736-*PCTeam*-PAM-127-Noob-Crystal-DISTORTION-issues-Already-fixed-by-Noobby ALE
Ryanwayer has published a thread with good pics of the new batch:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/124572-PANERAI-PAM127-Noob-Factory-Superlumed-Ultimate-Edition-on-Tan-Leather-Strap-358
In January 2013 marlin2284 proposed a solution by changing the Noob crystal with a WSO crystal, you can see the results and info in this thread:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/130905-*PCTeam-PAM-127-distortion-issue-possibly-solved-(modem-burner)
In February 2013 marlin detected a diameter dimension issue in WSO crystal, be careful !!:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/132688-*PCTeam*-127-WSO-crystal-possible-faults-!!IF-YOU-ARE-GETTING-ONE-PLEASE-READ!!
Anyway with a WSO crystal marlin has made one of the best Fiddy modd ever:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/133121-*PCTeam*-If-your-a-PAM-127-quot-Fiddy-quot-freak-like-me-then-CHECK-THIS-OUT
Below you can see one of the best Franken PAM 127 ever built
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=226235&p=2435575#post2435575 by ls2imprs


-Noob reps. from October 2013 with corrected crystal distortion and golden engravings on bridges
October 2013- Noob releases the waited new PAM 127 batch correcting crystal distortion and adding some improvements in movement decoration, correcting the colour of OFFICINE PANERAI FIRENZE engravings to golden.
Some last crystals Oct-2103 seem very good, but be careful accepting QCpics because there are still some bad crystals, distortion issue is not yet completely fixed. The decoration of the movement has improved the old ugly yellow colour of the engraved inscriptions, even the quality of PANERAI-PANERAI engravings seems improved, more clean and nice like gen.
A RWI member called specialforce has taken pics of the old and new movement inscriptions. These inscriptions should be golden but rep have yellow colour. “Old” inscriptions are ugly “mustard yellow” whereas “new” inscriptions have a nicer “sand yellow” or milk-tea. Anyway not completely golden but better and nice enough.

SPECIAL FORCE PICS SHOWING THE COLOUR OF OCT-2013 INSCRIPTIONS

REVIEW: You can see below the review and comparison of Noob with ZFac and KW-V6Fac versions

With above commented improvements PAM 127 reo from Noob get an evaluation of Super rep bordering lower status, but conditioned upon the quality of the crystal distortion.
Nice review and beautiful pics here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/177118-Noob-PAM-127-short-review-PICS-HEAVYby kilowattore
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=227202 by kilowattore


-SF version Nov 2014
November 2014- SF released a rep of PAM 127 E-series fitted with a movement A6497 similar to Noob.
This rep really has no pretentions, because it is full of flaws.
-Inaccurate shape of lugs and case
-Inaccurate fonts of inscriptions on dial
-Completely wrong placement of inscriptions on dial. Really displaced from the gen position.
-Thinner sandwich markers
-Inaccurate shape of CG and lever
-Bad crown
-Bad colour of engravings on movement bridges and ugly perlage
-Mineral crystal
Finish is OK but the flaws don’t allow a good evaluation
I think is not even a good rep although it is nicely made
More comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=242076&p=2578710#post2578710 by j1m1501


-“Hibrid” version (discontinued)
January 2015- It was released a weird rep sometimes called KW or V6Fac and other times from Noob. Most likely it was an “hybrid” made with remaining parts from everywhere to take care of the big demand of this watch from the Noob stop production.
The lume doesn’t seem good, ugly CP and the crystal leaves a lot to be desired. Jusat a commercial trick and non interesting release.
More comments here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/207230-new-noob-and-v6f-hybrid-127-is-out%EF%BC%81 by vader1
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/207553-Any-review-of-the-new-pam-127-by-KW-fac?p=2094470#post-2094470post2094470 by cosmicgate
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/208112-Panerai-127-New-Stock?p=2100193#post-2100193post2100193 by j1m1501
Comments from Evora:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/207230-new-noob-and-v6f-hybrid-127-is-out%EF%BC%81?p=2091778&viewfull=1#post-2091778
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/207230-new-noob-and-v6f-hybrid-127-is-out%EF%BC%81?p=2095221&viewfull=1#post-2095221
There is no possibility of a valid evaluation of this rep because the production was really small and never was assured the origin of the parts


-ZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc
May 2015- ZFac releases a new rep PAM 127 E-series fitted with “Y” shape modified rep Incabloc and micrometric screw with correct length.
Comments and pics about ZFac
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments?p=2332832&viewfull=1#post-2332832 by peterpl
More info here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=101363&st=0 by kiko1314
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=252514 by 481609
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=252775 by jonnyknox

REVIEW: You can see below the review and comparison of ZFac with Noob and KW-V6Fac versions

This rep gets an evaluation of Super rep bordering lower status. It is just a bit worse than Noob 2013, mainly due to a worse dial and more inconsistent finish quality, besides the ZF crystal distortion is usually worse than the last Noobs.


-KW-V6FacZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc
June 2015- KW-V6Fac releases a new rep PAM 127 E-series fitted with “Y” shape modified rep Incabloc and micrometric screw with correct length.
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/231718-KW127 by svshawn
Pole KW vs. ZFAC vs. DSN (new version)
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/264974-127-DSN-Or-another-factory by beau_bands

REVIEW:You can see below the review and comparison of KW-V6Fac with Noob and ZFac versions

In order to get this watch closer to gen the modder marlin proposes some great Modds.
Since Noob version is not already available in 2105, marlin has chosen the KW-V6fac version as the new version to be modified, considering this is the best option and more appropriate to apply his modds.

MODDS OF PAM 127 KW-V6Fac BY marlin

More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/262943-Looks-like-I-am-a-Panerai-owner-again?p=2450563#post-2450563 by chris9
Pole KW vs. ZFAC vs. DSN (new version)
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/264974-127-DSN-Or-another-factory by beau_bands

WARNING !!- there are some batches of KW-V6Fac PAM 127 E-series and OOR from October 2015 which are fitted with inaccurate SF Movement. Be careful with QC pics
Read more info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/265871-BE-AWARE!-Flawed-KW-PAM-127-with-SF-movement-***-QCpics-allowed-*** by undercoverz
This rep gets an evaluation of Super rep low level. Always depending on low distortion crystal.


-KW-V6Fac version “OOR” w/ “Y” Incabloc
August 2015 -KW-V6Fac releases a new rep PAM 127 OOR (Out Of Range) fitted with “Y” shape modified rep Incabloc and micrometric screw with correct length.
These KW reps have the same features, pros and cons as KW-V6Fac PAM 127 E-series previously commented
Some info here
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments by PolonusTM

WARNING !!- there are some batches of KW-V6Fac PAM 127 E-series and OOR from October 2015 which are fitted with inaccurate SF Movement. Be careful with QC pics
Read more info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/265871-BE-AWARE!-Flawed-KW-PAM-127-with-SF-movement-***-QCpics-allowed-*** by undercoverz

This rep gets the same evaluation than KW-V6Fac E-series: Super rep low level, since it is the same watch with different caseback engraving.



****COMPARISON REVIEW Noob vs. ZFac vs. KW-V6Fac ****
MOVEMENT:
Gen PAM 127 has a nice movement OP XI, ETA 6497-2 based. In this watch the movement bridges are decorated with PANERAI PANERAI engravings and brushed with a very nice sunburst effect with curved beams. OFICCINE PANEARI FIRENZE and other engravings are sharp defined and with a nice golden colour (for from yellowish like some reps).
The bridges are nicely finished with carefully polished edges and bevels of jewel holes, and uniformly flat surfaces even near the edges marking nicely the bevelled edges. The PANERAI PANERAI engravings are not very deep, but are very uniform and nicely made, with square edges and corners. The overall effect is really beautiful and gives strong personality to this movement. Forget to get this nice effect and finish on rep movements.
Rep bridges edges are not as nicely made as gen and the polishing of bevelled edges is way worse in all reps.

GOLDEN ENGRAVING ON GEN PAM 127 BRIDGES – SUNBURST BRUSHING

Rep bridges surfaces of last Noob are not as uniformly flat as gen and you can see some rounded or overpolished surfaces near the bridge edges in all reps. Modern 2015 reps ZFac, KW and SF are better in this regard having flat bridges surfaces and marked edges although worse polished than gen. Zfac and KW are finishing the PANEARI-PANERAI engravings a bit before the edge of the bridge, just like gen
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments?p=2461899&viewfull=1#post-2461899 by marlin
In real size the appearance of rep movements is good enough (under naked eye), but with a side by side comparison the differences are more evident for a semi-trained eye.
PANERAI PANERAI engravings: these engravings are not placed randomly and are exactly placed in the same position in all gens. That doesn’t occur in all reps, mainly in balance cock, as we will se below.
Engravings, as above commented, are not extremely deep on gens but are very well uniformly made, with sharpness and square edges and corners. The overall engraving denotes great quality. Rep engravings are usually thicker than gen, not at all as sharp, sometimes uneven and with rounded edges and corners.
Noob, is sometimes very uneven and a bit “dirty”, has inaccurate R but the placement of the engravings is accurate even in balance cock.
ZFac, is the most accurate PANEARI engraving, with uniform manufacture, accurate fonts, but not as sharp as gen and with more rounded corners. Engravings placement are correct, but unfortunately is completely wrong in balance cock (really inaccurate)
KW-V6Fac, is a bit thicker and deeper than gen, almost as sharp as ZFac but seems a bit marked. Unfortunately fonts are inaccurate because are a bit narrower (mainly P and R). The placement of engravings is really good even in balance cock.

BALANCE COCK – INCABLOC – SWAN NECK COMPARISONS WITH GEN

INCABLOC and LYRE SPRING: Obviously gen has gen PAM Incabloc “Y” shaped and the Lyre Spring is also different with less curved central circles.
Noob: has neither ”Y” shaped Incabloc nor gen Lyre Spring and presents the usual rep “I” shaped Incabloc and rep Lyre spring.
ZFac and KW-V6Fac: these makers are using a rep Incabloc nicely modified. Maybe is the best rep modified Incabloc ever, but bear in mind that it is always rep. A trained eye can tell the rep even under naked eye. The Lyre Spring is the same as Noob in both reps, the usual rep spring used in all rep 6497 movements.
SWAN NECK SPRING; the three reps are using the already known Swan Neck spring Noob type with inaccurate shape and wrong screws support, even with ugly screws neither well finished nor flat. Obvious flaw for a trained eye.
MICROMETRIC SCREW: Gen screw is long enough to get the full regulation, has long head and presents two holes in the head to make easier the regulation.
Noob: has the typical short Noob screw with smaller head and without holes
ZFac and KW-V6Fac: have the same new screw with correct length, correct head size, but still without regulation holes. Also the tip of the screw is clearly pointy instead of flat (really curious flaw, and unnecessary IMO)
- llllllll + SCALE OF REGULATION: the engraving is accurate enough in all reps. Aside the colour, of which we will speak below. The placement is not accurate in all rep versions. Noob has the best placed engraving, ZFac engraving is really detached from the blue screw of balance cock and KW-V6Fac is really closer to the blue screw.
REGULATOR LEVER (DAGGER): In gen the dagger has the same thickness as the Swan Neck spring, Noob is accurate in this regards, but in ZFac and KW-V6Fac the dagger is clearly thinner than the Swan Neck spring.
PALET FORK BRIDGE- Gen has brushed surface. In all reps is not brushed.
STAMPS UNDER BALANCE WHELL: Gen has serial number ETA .Noob has no stamp
ZFac has accurate enough serial number ETA stamp. KW-V6Fac- Has wrong 6497-1 ETA instead of 6497-2
BLUE SCREWS- these screws are flat in gen. Noob has also flat and accurate screws. ZFac has also flat and accurate screws. KW-V6Fac has a bit rounded surface screws.
SUNBURST EFFECT: Gen has clear sunburst effect made with curved beams. Rep sunburst effects are a bit hit and mis, with many variations, but usually they are as follows:
Noob has less sunburst effect than gen and the beams are straight. ZFac has maybe the stronger effect, many times stronger than gen, but the beams are also straight. and with curved beams. KW effect usually tends to be less pronounced than gen, but the beams are curved like gen ones. If you like strong effect and don’t mind the curved shape, ZFac is the best for you. If you like the curved effect and don’t mind a less pronounced effect KW-V6Fac is your choice, with a bit of luck you could get a unit with sunburst effect as pronounced as gen.
See more info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments?p=2462299&viewfull=1#post-2462299 by marlin
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/262943-Looks-like-I-am-a-Panerai-owner-again?p=2456491&viewfull=1#post-2456491 by marlin
OFFICINE PANERAI FIRENZE and other golden engravings: Nice gold colour in gen, not yellowish. Noob is accurate font shape but a bit thick and less crisp fonts, colour is good but more yellowish. ZFac has accurate enough fonts, colour is just a bit yellowish. KW-V6Fac has narrower and taller fonts, but yery good and accurate golden colour.
RATCHET AND CROWN WHEELS: As usually the bevelled is wider on all reps and not polished like gen. The wheels sunburst effect is better in Noob and KW, very gen-like. ZFac has more evident and rough sunburst brushing.
RATCHET AND CROWN WHEELS SCREWS: Rep screws are far from gen. Gen screws have flat upper surface and the edges of contour are sharp. The notch is nicely made uniform and with clean bottom part. Noob, ZFac and KW screws have usually a bit rounded upper surface, rounded contour edges and really ugly and sloppy notch with especially rough bottom part.
GEAR TRAIN: is brushed in gen. All reps have non brushed and glossy gears.
More info about Asian Panerai Calibre OP XI movements
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/268437-Special-Asian-Panerai-Calibre-OP-XI-movements by undercoverz
MID-CASE AND BEZEL- In relation to the gen the reps are as follows:
All reps case shapes have differences with gen in the back where the insertion of the lugs is different from gen, but few noticeable without side by side comparison.
Noob- Cushion shape a bit more squared than gen but the most accurate together with ZFac. Lugs are a bit longer and fatter with more pronounced upper curve. Bezel is OK
ZFac- Cushion shape a bit more squared than gen but the most accurate together to Noob. Lugs are quite correct with accurate length and correct shape. Bezel has the base a bit taller.
KW-V6Fac- Cushion shape a littler more squared than gen even more thanm Noob or ZFac. Lugs have correct length, are a bit thinner but with correct shape. Bezel is OK
CROWN GUARD- In relation to the gen rep CGs are as follows:
Noob- Nice overall finish of edges and corners, nice corners chamfered. The inner space for the crown is a bit taller. REG. T.M. engravings are accurate enough. Lever is accurate, but the tip is more square shaped overall mainly in the inner edge.
ZFac- A bit worse than noob, correct overall finish of edges and corners, correct corners chamfered. The inner space for the crown is a bit taller. REG. T.M. engravings are accurate enough but with some differences on placement. Lever is accurate, but the tip is more square shaped and thinner.
KW-V6Fac- Nice overall finish of edges and corners, nice corners chamfered, similar to Noob or even better. The inner space for the crown is a bit taller. REG. T.M. engravings are accurate enough. Lever is accurate, but the tip is more square shaped overall mainly in the inner edge, like Noob.
DIAL: In relation to the gen rep dials are as follows:
Noob- Accurate layout. Dial surface and colour OK. Sandwich markers an cutouts are accurate and nicely made. LUMINOR PANERAI inscription with accurate fonts (correct thickness), placement and colour, maybe a bit glossy. 1950 inscription with correct placement with a bit more rounded fonts (few noticeable).
ZFac- Accurate layout. Dial surface and colour OK. Sandwich markers an cutouts are accurate and nicely made but they are not as good as Noob. LUMINOR PANERAI inscription with accurate fonts with some little differences (they tend to be thicker), good placement and colour. 1950 inscription with correct placement with a bit smaller fonts (few noticeable).
KW-V6Fac - Accurate layout. Dial surface and colour OK. Sandwich markers an cutouts are accurate and nicely made. LUMINOR PANERAI inscription with accurate fonts (they tend to be thinner), good placement and colour. 1950 inscription with correct placement and fonts. The better dial together with Noob or even better.
HANDS and CP: In relation to the gen rep hands and CP are as follows:
Noob- Hour hand with correct length and narrower lume. Minute hand with correct length and wider lume. CP is a bit smaller (few noticeable), a bit recessed, pointy and with worse polishing.
ZFac- Hour hand with correct length and narrower and shorter lume. Minute hand with correct length and correct lume width. CP has correct size, a bit recessed, flat and with worse polishing, but good enough in practice.
KW-V6Fac- Hour hand with correct length and almost correct lume (last batches, because there was some batches with narrower lume). Minute hand with correct length and almost correct lume width (some pics showed a less pointy minute hand but maybe was a crystal distortion or first batches). CP is a bit bigger (few noticeable), flush, flat and with good polishing. Maybe the best CP.
CASEBACK-
Noob- Good finish. Accurate fonts. A little less sharp and deep than KW, but good enough, almost at the same level as KW
ZFac- Good finish. Accurate fonts. Sharp and deep engravings. The most accurate and nice of the reps
KW-V6Fac- Good finish. Accurate fonts. Sharp and deep engravings. The most accurate and nice of the reps
OVERALL FINISH AND GEN-LIKE APPEARANCE:
In this regard the best rep is KW-V6Fac followed by the noob and then ZFac and the last one would be SF.
As usually KW-V6Fac has an impressive finsh and gen-like appearance. In this way you can forget some little flaws on cushion shape of the case. As always you cannot see the little flaws from 50cm but you can notice the gen-like appearance.
Read about the gen like appearance of KW PAM 217 – (valid for PAM 127 KW) :
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/236309-*PCTeam*-KW-V6F-PAM-217-review?p=2371154&viewfull=1#post-2371154 by Ashu2289
CRYSTAL: The dome shaped crystal produces always a more or less pronounced distortion in the transition zone of the two radius of the curved domed surface.
This is always a controversial matter, because the production of sapphire domed crystal is not at all easy and even the gen presents in some batches ugly distortions.
Of course the rep crystals are always hit and miss and you can get more or less nice distortions and usually ugly and pronounced distortion. There are also many variations between batches and we cannot get a fixed rule.
Noob was a lot of problems on crystals in summer 2102, corrected after several months. But always the distortions were really inconsistent and the Noob crystals had a lot of differences.
It is the same in current versions and always is a matter of luck to get a crystal with nice or just acceptable distortion. People have to be extremely careful checking QC pics.
Zfac crystal is flatter and less domed than gen, Noob and KW, sometimes with correct distortion but usually worse than KW version
After see many pics, wristshots and QC pics I can say that the best current crystals I have seen are from KW-V6Fac version. A good percentage of last KW-V6Fac PAM 127 are f¡tted with crystals of nice or more than acceptable distortion.
After KW the best crystal seems to be Noob and them we have ZFac and SF.
More info about all reps here:
Comparison ZFac & KW-V6Fac with gen by Ice Gee:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=252514&p=2684362&viewfull=1#post2684362 by Ice Gee
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/216686-ZF-PAM127/page9?p=2308639&viewfull=1#post-2308639 by Ice Gee
Review PAM 127 KW:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments by PolonusTM
Some interesting comments about KW and Noob:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments?p=2459719&viewfull=1#post-2459719 by marlin
Comparisons ZFac & KW-V6Fac
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/244482-ZF-vs-V6-KW-127-who-has-held-both-which-is-better?p=2325333#post-2325333 by Strodda
Many comments about ZFac and KW-V6Fac versions:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/216686-ZF-PAM127 by takoxavy
Comparison KW – Noob:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245123-*PCTeam*-Quick-amp-Dirty-KW-PAM-127-comments?p=2331247&viewfull=1#post-2331247 by kilowattore
Comparisons Noob- KW –ZFac :
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/216686-ZF-PAM127/page13?p=2386404&viewfull=1#post-2386404 by kilowattore
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/216686-ZF-PAM127/page13?p=2386965&viewfull=1#post-2386965 by ALE


-SF version 2015 w/ “Y” Incabloc
August 2015- SF releases a new rep PAM 127 E-series, improving previous SF version from Nov 2014. This new version has some improvements like the sapphire crystal instead of mineral and movement fitted with “Y” shape modified rep Incabloc and micrometric screw with correct length. But it has still some flaws and serious inaccuracies to get a good evaluation similar to the other makers versions.
Below you can see a review of this SF version:
MOVEMENT:
PANERAI PANERAI engravings: SF engravings are a bit thicker and deeper than gen. Unfortunately fonts are inaccurate because are a bit narrower (mainly P and R). The placement of engravings is really bad because is wrong in all bridges. Very noticeable flaw especially in balance cock. See the last above figure of comparisons.
INCABLOC and LYRE SPRING: SF is the same as KW and ZFac, rep Incabloc nicely modified. Maybe is the best rep modified Incabloc ever, but bear in mind that it is always rep. A trained eye can tell the rep even under naked eye. The Lyre Spring is the same as Noob in both reps, the usual rep spring used in all rep 6497 movements.
SWAN NECK SPRING: SF is using the same as Noob, KW and ZFac. It is already known Swan Neck spring Noob type with inaccurate shape and wrong screws support, even with ugly screws, neither well finished nor flat. Obvious flaw for a trained eye.
MICROMETRIC SCREW: Gen screw is long enough to get the full regulation, has long head and presents two holes in the head to make easier the regulation.
SF, ZFac and KW-V6Fac: have the same new screw with correct length, correct head size, but still without regulation holes. Also the tip of the screw is clearly pointy instead of flat (really curious flaw, and unnecessary IMO)
- llllllll + SCALE OF REGULATION: the engraving is accurate enough in all reps. Aside the colour, of which we will speak below. SF placement is not accurate, engraving is really detached from the blue screw of balance cock like ZFac.
REGULATOR LEVER (DAGGER): In gen the dagger has the same thickness as the Swan Neck spring, but in SF reps the dagger is clearly thinner than the Swan Neck spring like in ZFac and KW-V6Fac.
PALET FORK BRIDGE- Gen has brushed surface. In all reps is not brushed.
STAMPS UNDER BALANCE WHELL: Gen has serial number ETA. SF has accurate enough serial number ETA stamp.
BLUE SCREWS- these screws are flat in gen. SF has flat and accurate screws. Maybe better than previous versions.
SUNBURST EFFECT: Gen has clear sunburst effect made with curved beams. Rep sunburst effects are a bit hit and mis, with many variations. SF I very similar to KW, the effect usually tends to be less pronounced than gen, but the beams are curved like gen ones.
OFFICINE PANERAI and other golden engravings: Nice gold colour in gen, not yellowish. SF has accurate fonts and yery good and accurate golden colour.
RATCHET AND CROWN WHEELS: As usually the bevelled is wider on SF and not polished like gen. The wheels sunburst effect is nice like in Noob and KW, very gen-like.
RATCHET AND CROWN WHEELS SCREWS: SF movement has the nicest and more accurate screws, the upper surfaces are flat and the edges of the contour are sharp. The notch is nicer than other versions but not as nice as gen.
GEAR TRAIN: is brushed in gen. SF reps have non brushed and glossy gears like the other versions.
MID-CASE AND BEZEL: In relation to the gen SF reps are as follows:
SF- Cushion shape clearly more squared than gen even with marker angle at the top, the less accurate of the current versions. Lugs have correct length, but are thinner. Bezel is taller. Of course the worse mid-case
CROWN GUARD- In relation to the gen SF reps are as follows:
Sloppy overall finish of edges and corners, very inconsistent corners chamfered and sometimes inexistent. The inner space for the crown has correct size. REG. T.M. engravings are inaccurate on fonts and position. Lever shape is inaccurate and the tip is completely squared, thinner and detached from the case.
DIAL: No necessary review because the dial inscriptions are completely inaccurate with clearly different fonts and wrong placement. Very noticeable and serious flaw which downgrades more the evaluation of this rep.
HANDS and CP: In relation to the gen SF hands and CP are as follows:
Hour hand with correct length and narrower and shorter lume. Minute hand with correct length and wider lume. CP is bigger, almost flat and with good finish, good enough in practice.
CASEBACK- Good finish but a bit more sloppy than other versions. Less accurate fonts in relation with other versions. Less sharp and deep engravings. The worst caseback of the reps.
OVERALL FINISH AND GEN-LIKE APPEARANCE: SF is the worst finished rep in comparison with noob, ZFac and KW.
CRYSTAL: As above commented, dome shaped crystal produces always a more or less pronounced distortion in the transition zone of the two radius of the curved domed surface. This is always a controversial matter, because the production of sapphire domed crystal is not at all easy and even the gen presents in some batches ugly distortions.
Of course the rep crystals are always hit and miss and you can get more or less nice distortions and usually ugly and pronounced distortion. There are also many variations between batches and we cannot get a fixed rule.
KW has the best average of good crystals, after seems to be Noob and them we have ZFac and SF.
There are many flaws in this rep to get a high evaluation, the inaccurate fonts on dial inscriptions is serious, IMO just a Good rep improving previous SF version, but far from the competitors.


-DSN version 2015 w/ “Y” Incabloc
August 2105- DSN releases a new rep PAM 127 E-series with “Y” Incabloc on movement.
DSN movement is Low beat and has SF type bridges with inaccurate fonts and wrong placement of PANERAI PANERAI engravings. Completely inaccurate balance cock engravings and regulation –lllllllll+ scale. Although movement has SF appearance DSN has rounded blue screws and wheels screws instead of flat like SF has
Swan Neck spring is the most accurate of all versions I have seen
Dial inscriptions are very glossy and maybe a bit white or grey
Pole KW vs. ZFAC vs. DSN (new version):
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/264974-127-DSN-Or-another-factory by beau_bands
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/269329-Quick-Comparison-DSN-127Eby junbug5150
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/255994-What-do-you-guys-think-of-the-DSN-127E-he-uses-the-Noob-case by fire007
This rep gets an evaluation of First Class rep good level.

A perfect candidate for a first Panerai replica (Super rep versions)

PAM 127 Fiddy
REPLICA links:
-Noob from Oct 2013
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-n-maker-11-superlumed-ultimate-edition-on-soft-tan-leather-strap/ no available
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-n-maker-11-superlumed-ultimate-edition-on-brown-genuine-croco-leather-strap/ no available
(**)http://www.ts-station.co/11747-xfpa0500-pam127-1950-black-dial-ss-le-47mm-superlume-asian-6497.html no available
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2330 no available
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=127&product_id=178 no available
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=9157 no available
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn127e01-1950-ssle-6497-p-11874.html no available

-ZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc
(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-zf-11-best-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc/
(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc/
(**)http://www.ts-station.co/16939-pa16939-pam127-e-zf-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-a6497-y-incabloc.html
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1637
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2145-pam-127-e-zf-1-1-best-edition-on-no74-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13517

-KW-V6FacZFac version w/ “Y” Incabloc
(**)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/panerai/1-1-panerai-special-edition-pam-127-fiddy-1950-domed-sapphire.-best-version.from-kw/
(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc/
(**)http://www.ts-station.co/17164-pa17164-pam127-e-v6f-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-a6497-y-incabloc.html
(**)http://www.7750asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3514
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2146-pam127-e-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13648
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn127e08-ssle-p-17837.html

-KW-V6Fac version “OOR” w/ “Y” Incabloc
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13794
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn127e11-ssle-p-18076.html

-SF version 2015 w/ “Y” Incabloc
http://puretime.watch/product/pam127-e-sf-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc/

-DSN version 2015 w/ “Y” Incabloc
(*)https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/255764-Pam-127E

GEN links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRpqasq8WpU&feature=youtu.be
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_111.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials02.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2002/182-luminor-1950-pam00127
11-5

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The gen PAM 140, introduced in 2003 F-series, has a Dial made of Carbon Fiber with a very different look to the rep dial. This rep watch, although nice, it is not at all an accurate replica.
This replica is due to its inaccuracy a Low grade rep

PAM 140
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=971
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=pam+140&x=20&y=14
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_173.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/pam-140-luminor-marina-automatic---44mm-18k-yellowrose-gold---gorgeous-carbon-fiber-dial---boxespapers-100-complete--as-new---discontinued-model--id1976380.htm?query=Panerai+pam+140+luminor+marina+automatic&dosearch=true&searchexplain=1&resultview=list&goal_suggest=1&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
**

The gen PAM 152 is a Limited Edition of 100 pieces released in 2002 E-series.
In cooperation with Purdey, the gun manufacturers, Panerai have produced four special edition watches with the same hunter case as the PAM 076, but with "hunting" images engraved on the lids. The PAM 152 was one of them.
The replicas are Medium grade reps

PAM 152
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11638-xfpa3250-pam152-luminor-sealand-for-purdey-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=1000
http://www.pf-818.com/pn15201-sealand-limited-44mm-auto-free-shipping-p-2028.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_106.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials02.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2002/201-luminor-sealand-for-purdey-pam00152
**

The gen PAM 156 is a Limited Edition of 300 pieces released in 2002 E-series to commemorate the Laureus Regatta of that year.
The GMT PAM 156 has a similar structure as GMT PAM 088 but the dial is marked Regatta and has Dots markers instead of Sticks. See more info and more related watches in PAM 088.
The replicas are quite good but are very surpassed by the replicas of PAM 088.
If you are looking for a GMT with Black dial and silvered contrasted seconds @9 sub-dial and you don’t want specifically a Special Edition or Regatta, the best choice is an excellent replica of PAM 088.

PAM 156
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam156-gmt-ultimate-edition/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=3366
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_103.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials02.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2002/205-luminor-gmt-regatta-2002-pam00156
**

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The GMT PAM 161 is a GMT PAM 088 version made of Full-mix Brushed Titanium and polished SS in Case-bezel and bracelet.
The rep PAM 161 has the case made of SS instead of Titanium, has Display Caseback instead of solid, and the bracelet is made of Brushed and Polished Full-SS and it has much poor quality and bad crystal. This replica is very Low grade rep and very inaccurate, it is not at all an advisable purchase.

PAM 161
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=6419
http://www.pf-818.com/pn16101-marina-ssss-asian-2813-functional-p-8807.html
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=5047
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_32.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (F-series with A7753 movement Noob 2010 & 2013 versions)
The PAM 162 is the version with Black dial and Silvered sub-dials “Panda” type of the first generation of Luminor Chrono 44mm.
This first generation of gen Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm is a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, however it uses a completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds hand, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are three first models from 2003 to 2006, they all with the same structure of brushed SS case, polished SS bezel with tachymeter and complex dial with nine numerals. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the Daylight inscription: PAM 162 Black with silvered sub-dials “Panda” type, PAM 196 plain Black Daylight and PAM 188 plain White Daylight dial.
There is also a 2005 Special Edition, PAM 224, all polished SS and nice Firenze Blue dial.
The PAM 162 was the first 44mm chronograph, released in 2003, but was relatively short-lived, only lasting a year, being supplanted in 2004 by the Daylights White dial PAM 188 and Black dial PAM 196 chronographs instead.
The PAM 162 is strangely the only Panerai Chrono 44mm with “Panda” type sub-dial configuration. The two following Daylight were originally promoted as having "Panda" type dials like the Newman Daytona, however just before shipping this decision was vetoed, and they ended up as plain black or plain white. Perhaps the “Panda” configuration is being saved for a future special edition?
The replicas F-series of PAM 162 are fitted by A7753, they have working date adjustment@10 and are First Class replicas, despite a slightly inaccurate sub-dial colour.

July2013- Noob releases a new version of this watch with A7753, for a complete review of this version in comparison with 2010 Noob version you have to read ALE PAM 162 Daylight review.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=160200 by ALE
The new 2013 Noob version has some interesting improvements but there are also some serious worsenings added.
-Which is the best version available for PAM 162, Noob 2010 or Noob 2013?
The answer to this question depends, as many times, on personal taste.
Can you live with the more evident flaws of each version?
-If you choose Noob 2010 version you will get bad CG finish and date fonts, with inaccurate position of Date window and slightly thicker markers, inaccurate big chrono second hand, “slim” crown, a bit bigger and lighter subdials and lever with inaccurate roller
-If you choose Noob 2013 version you will get a perfect CG and lever, almost perfect date fonts and date window placement, inaccurate big chrono second hand, “slim” crown but very inaccurate and noticeable thicker markers together with bigger and lighter subdials, which makes the dial completely wrong IMO.
You must to decide with above info but the decision is not easy. Noob 2013 version with markers as thick as 2010 version and the same size of subdials would be the best of both versions, but these flaws ruin the overall accuracy of this Noob 2013 version. You should be able to live with above mentioned flaws to admit this Noob 2013 version.
EVALUATIONS
After getting the magnificent Noob PAM 356 and 326 Daylights, I got disappointed by the accuracy of both Pam 162 Noob replicas. I understand three years ago the flaws in Noob 2010 version, but nowadays I don’t understand the lack of care from Noob making such a thicker markers and bigger and lighter subdials in 2013 version.
Both studied replicas are very well manufactured and overall quality is awesome.
Considering the improvements, worsenings and remaining flaws, we can consider that Noob 2010 and 2013 versions are in the same level.
Anyway, there are many flaws in both replicas even to keep a First Class status but the great manufacture quality allows to maintain the status of First Class of low level bordering a lower status.
We must wait for new releases to get a real Super replica of PAM 162.

PAM 162
REPLICA links:
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam162-f-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-white-subdial-on-black-croc-style-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam162f-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/8139-pa4330-pam162-luminor-panerai-black-dial-ss-ss-asian-7753-28800bph.html Noob 2010
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2082&ti= Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=162&product_id=672 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6791 Noob 2010
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_47.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (N-series Noob)
Evaluation thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-evaluation-thread-116713?p=1187451
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP hig level (N-series H maker)
Evaluation thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=116714
COMPARISON: 90% voted Noob is better - 10% voted H maker is better
Comparison thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=116716
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (O-series Noob)
The PAM 164, released in 2004, try a return to the complex dials of the first Automatic 44mm models, like PAM 086 and 091, trend that was broken by the simplicity of the PAM 104.
The PAM 164 has a contrasted brushed case with polished bezel and has little numerals and dots instead of stick markers.
There are old regular replicas fitted with Asian 21J in the cheap versions and with A7750 in the best ones and in the replicas from DSN. They all are quite good reps.
The new replicas N-series from Noob and H maker are considered as First Class or Super replicas with the percentages mentioned in evaluations (Noob better than H maker, see evaluation thread above).
Numeral markers seem more withe in the Noob and more grey in the H maker, Cyclops and lume sausage is better in H maker (as usually) but the date font and Crown Guard is better in Noob.
See these posts:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1115128&postcount=9
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1115514&postcount=10
Pictorial review of Noob here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=30483 by Del
Other Noob here:http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=105309 by Klockis
A PAM 164 H maker here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/few-photos-164n-113806?p=1114871 by korneevy
More comments and comparisons Gen-Noob-H maker here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=112145 by Mr.RadioActive.
But there is already a final Evaluation thread (above mentioned)with a comparison between Noob and H maker version, where the clear winner is the Noob factory version: 90% voted Noob and 10% voted H maker.

May 2013-Noobreleases PAM 164 O-series. This versión gets the improvements for upgrading. Therefore evaluation as Super rep. Some discussion about here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-104-164-145784?p=1444625
Nice pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=203542 by Bozz

This watch has lovers and detractors at the same time, but can be considered as a good candidate to a first PAM replica.
PAM 164
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam164-o-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-a7750/ Noob O-series
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam164-o-11-noob-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a7750/ Noob O-series
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13873-pa13873.html Noob O-series
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13872-pa13872.html Noob O-series
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12533-pa8590b-pam164-n-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker N
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2686&ti= Noob O-series
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+164&product_id=530 Noob O-series
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=9485 Hmaker N
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn164n02-164n-ssle-a7750-p-12246.html Hmaker N
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7161 Hmaker N
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=99319 DSN I
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Automatic%20Luminor%20Marina%20%20watches/New%20Born%20164%20I/ DSN I
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_15.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=739&id_categoria=35
**

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The gen PAM 165, introduced in 2003 F-series, has the case made of Ti, and the bracelet is made of Brushed Ti and Polished SS and has much better quality. This watch has an interesting dial with applied polished steel indices. This replica is very inaccurate, it is not an advisable purchase.

PAM 165
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=232
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_174.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
http://www.essential-watches.com/Panerai-PAM00165-PAM-165-MARINA-on-Bracelet-E-Series-TitaniumSteel-on-Bracelet-Black-Dial-17297
http://people.timezone.com/msandler/Panerai/luminormarinaautomatic.html
**

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The gen PAM 168 was a Unique Edition of 399 peices to commemorate the 2003 Laureus Regatta. It was a 40mm chrono award winning m
aster piece. Panerai has once again created a beautiful Luminor piece which not only any collecter would love but any diver as well. This watch is made of all-mix Brushed Titanium and polished SS in Case-bezel and bracelet, it has and electric blue dial with silver sub-dial and is magnificent.
Unfortunately the rep PAM 168 has a bracelet made of brushed-polished SS instead of the mix bracelet made of Brushed Ti and Polished SS of the gen, which has much better quality. The dial is inaccurate too. This replica is a Low grade rep and it is not an advisable purchase.

PAM 168
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_53&products_id=4603
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_113.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials03.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2003/213-luminor-chrono-regatta-2003-pam00168
**

The gens PAM 170 and 106 were a bracelet variant to the submersible line, added in D-series (2002). They have SS bezel and Titanium case instead of an all-SS or all-Ti construction. The bracelet is also the Panerai 44mm standard Titanium / SS mix.
The PAM 170 is the same as PAM 106, but the 106 has brushed SS parts (bezel and SS bracelet links) instead of polished like the PAM 170.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
This replica PAM 170 is exclusive from DSN catalogue, and the body watch replica is quite good, but it has a leather strap instead of the beautiful contrasted Ti / SS mix bracelet like the gen has. Therefore we cannot consider it an accurate replica.

PAM 170
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=73874 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20%20Titanium%2044mm%20Submersile%20%20watches/Pam%20titanium%20170G/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_30.html
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub.html
**

The gen PAM 172 Tantalum was a Special Edition from 2003 made in a limited production of 300 units, 100 a year for three years.
The gen is made of a very unique precious metal named Tantalium (with the exception of a titanium retaining ring for the sapphire crystal back). It has a deep grey with blue overtones making it rich and strong in appearance. The case has a brushed finish with a contrasting polished bezel, the black dial and blued hands make this one of the most nice and awesome Panerai watches ever produced.
Unfortunately the rep is, obviously, made of Titanium instead of Tantalium and it doesn’t have the same character and colour.
The replica of PAM 172 is a good-medium grade rep, but doesn’t get the character and personality of the gen.

October 2014- DSN releases a rep PAM 172 F-sereis made of brushed Titanium with SS polished bezel to get a moirror finsh, fitted with nicely decorated PANERAI-PANERAI A6497 movement. The rep has an accurate shape of old model CG like gen and is better than previous version. The inaccurate material is evident since the tantalium has different colour weight and character. This rep has better accuracy , finish and lume than old reps but cannot achieve First Class rep status

PAM 172
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=199370 DSN F-series- best version available from October 2014
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam172-a6497-type-a/
http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=597
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_114.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials03.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2003/216-luminor-marina-tantalium-pam00172
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-series Noob)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M & N-series Noob improved like V3)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP ( P-series Noob improved V4) best option from January 2015
The PAM 176 is the same as PAM 177 but without seconds@9.
The PAM 176 is like a version full Brushed Titanium of a PAM 112
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Base used the OP I movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Base now contains the OP X movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
Threfore the gen PAM 176 released in 2004 G-series has OP X movement and Display caseback.
Both PAM 176-177 with the PAM 306 (Low grade replica) are the only PAM Luminor made of Titanium and with Sandwich dial.
Talking about Titanium gen Panerais, the PAM 176 (like the PAM 177) doesn’t have the charism, the part of legitimity and History that the PAM 036 and 040 have. But concerning replicas, the PAM 176 and 177 are the simplest and the best Titanium PAM replicas at this moment and the reps M-series from H maker are Super reps.

July 2012 -there is a M-series version from Noob evaluated as a Super rep.

Mars 2013- about from this date, these M-series from Noob start to be improved with last improvements of last Noob case-sets (like PAM 111 V3) and last batches are already marked as N-series. Although the catalogues are indicating M-series you could receive a marked N-series watch. Therefore, some Noob M-series rep watches from March 2013 are already V3 quality, but N-series are all V3 improved
Nice pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-just-landed-144436?p=1431359 by gianton
Nice review with complete and nice pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=181725 by kilowattore

January 2015- Noob released a rep PAM 176 P-series. This P-series (2013 year) was the last gen series, from 2103 PANEARI introduced the 8 days series with the P.5000 “Manifattura” movement.
This new series and rep was not officially announced either by maker or dealers, therefore the improvements introduced in P-series cannot be found in all produced units, since the maker and dealers were no obligated to give them. Makers are using new and old parts mixed in this P-series (mainly in first batches). Buyer should be careful with QC pics in order to know what are the version of each part they are receiving.
There are interesting improvements to be considered in this new P-series:
- Mid case Noob V4 type: with corrected lug shape, upper part of the lugs a bit more detached from the edge of the cushion shape (like gen), better finished contours of the lugs on the insertion with the midcase. IMO the best case of the new 2015 cases.
-“Slim” crown (very difficult to get in first batches)
- More accurate bevelled of the crystal
- Improved overall finish of the caseset and CP
- Crown guard even improved in relation with V3 (which was very good)
- Improved CG pin in shape and finish at the top.
- It seems that there are some nice details of improvement in the movement wuth better wheels bezel and wheel screws.
CG lever remains the same as V3 with a roller support very angled in relation to the gen. This is the next improvement to be done.
Hands are Pre-V type appropriate for P-series.
Unfortunately, as above commented, Noob is mixing old and new parts in the production of these P-series and we can get watches with new case and old crystal or “Fat“ crowns, etc.. Even is possible to get a P-sereis with V3 case.
When the Noob P-sereis production gets stabilized we will have an almost perfect rep. A true Super rep even under the strict current 2105 Standards
Anyway this P-series is the best option from January 2015
As above commented in N-series, many delaers have not changed their catalogues and are still indicating M-series, but you can receive N or P-series (M-series is most likely sold out) depending on the stock of your dealer and the production date of your watch.
More in fo here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=209113&p=2112346#post-2112346 by chris3007

WARNING REMARKS: From December 2014, Noob, H maker and KW-V6Fac introduced new casesets for Luminor Bettarini 44mm. With improved lug shape, better lug contours, better overall finish, better and nicer CGs. Noob corrected the bevelled of crystals and introduced “slim” Crowns. The main problem is that makers still have “old” parts and are mixing those “old” parts with “new” parts in the current productions.
You should be careful with QC pics in order to know what you are actually receiving.

A good candidate for a first Panerai replica, but be careful because Titanium gets easily scratched.

PAM 176
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam176-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-oem-rubber-strap/ Noob M-N-P
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam176-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-calf-leather-strap/ Noob M-N-P
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam176-m-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap/ Noob M-N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12523-xfpn176-pam176-m-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob M-N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12522-xfpn176-pam176-m-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob M-N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12405-pa7590b-pam176-m-h-factory-black-dial-ti-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+176&product_id=569 Noob P
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1063 Noob M-N
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=7602 Hmaker M
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn176m02-176m-tile-black-asian-6497-superlume-p-10145.html Hmaker M
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_6.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3067&id_categoria=33
8-5

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M&N-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (M-series Noob)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N & P-series Noob) best option after P-series improved V4
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (P-series Noob improved V4) best option from January 2015 if you get it
The PAM 177 is the same as PAM 176 but with seconds@9.
The PAM 177 is like a version full Brushed Titanium of a PAM 111
From 1997 to 2001 the Luminor Marina used the OP II movement, but in 2002 (E series) the entire "Historic" line was upgraded to use the new movement, and the Marina now contains the OP XI movement. 2002 onwards models all incorporate sapphire crystal backs, whereas the earlier models all had solid backs.
For the H series, the Luminor Marina and Base received a significant overhaul, in that the decoration on the bridges changed from the stamped Panerai to a Côtes de Geneve engraving.
Threfore the gen PAM 177 released in 2004 G-series has OP XI movement and Display caseback.
Both PAM 176-177 with the PAM 306 (Low grade replica) are the only PAM Luminor made of Titanium and with Sandwich dial.
Talking about Titanium gen Panerais, the PAM 177 (like the PAM 176) doesn’t have the charism, the part of legitimity and History that the PAM 036 and 040 have. But concerning replicas, the PAM 176 and 177 are the simplest and the best Titanium PAM replicas at this moment. Reps M-series from H maker are Super reps.

July 2012 -there is a M-series version from Noob evaluated as a Super rep. too

Mars 2013 -there is a version N-series from Noob, seemingly with all improvements of last versions from this maker (models like Pam 111 V3), evaluated as a Super rep.
Nice review with complete and nice pictorial of a PAM 176 which is almost the same as PAM 177 (but without seconds @9 subdial) here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=181725 by kilowattore
July 2014- Noob releases a rep PAM 177 P-series. No improvements announced and by the pics actually there are not modifications, just the engravings on caseback and the Pre-V type hands appropriate for P-series.
No evaluation changes: Super rep.

Many delaers have not changed their catalogues and are still indicating N-series, but you can receive N or P-series (M-series is most likely sold out) depending on the stock of your dealer and the production date of your watch.

2015 NOTE- Since Noob introduced in January 2015 a PAM 176 P-series with some improvements, we could expect (from January 2015) the same with Noob PAM 177 P-series, but neither PAM 176 nor PAM 177 improvements were officially announced by Noob or dealers. Therefore they are not obligated to give those improvements.
Anyway is interesting to know that we could receive an impoved PAM 177 P-series with a bit of luck.
No changes in evaluation but this improved P-series would be clearly the best option available in January 2015.

WARNING REMARKS: From December 2014, Noob, H maker and KW-V6Fac introduced new casesets for Luminor Bettarini 44mm. With improved lug shape, better lug contours, better overall finish, better and nicer CGs. Noob corrected the bevelled of crystals and introduced “slim” Crowns. The main problem is that makers still have “old” parts and are mixing those “old” parts with “new” parts in the current productions.
You should be careful with QC pics in order to know what you are actually receiving.

A good candidate for a first Panerai replica, but be careful because Titanium gets easily scratched.

PAM 177
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-black-oem-rubber-strap/ Noob N-P
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-black-croco-leather-strap/ Noob N-P
(**)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam177-n-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap/ Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12518-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-ru-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12517-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12521-xfpn177-pam177-n-noobfactory-ti-lt-2012-ultimate-best-1-1-asian-6497.html Noob N-P
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12403-pa7570b-pam177-n-h-factory-black-dial-ti-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker N
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12370-pa7220b-pam111-m-h-factory-black-dial-ti-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(**)http://www.2015asian.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2952 Noob N
(**)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3199 Noob P-series
(**)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=2952 Hmaker N
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+177&product_id=566 Noob P
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=111 Noob N-P
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=8701 Hmaker N
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn177n02a-tileblk-p-12133.html Hmaker N
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_9.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/marina.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3068&id_categoria=34
8-5

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (H-series Noob, other makers and DSN) ***** PLEASE READ BELOW WARNING NOTE*****
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (H maker O-series)
The PAM 183 is very similar to the Radiomir “Base” PAM 210 introduced in 2005 but with seconds@9 sub-dial and the inscription Black Seal in the dial.
PAM G-series year 2004 saw (finally!) the introduction of “Historic” Radiomir models by the launching of the PAM 183. Aimed squarely at the enthusiast and collector, they were comparatively aggressively priced.
The gen PAM 183 is a Radiomir Black Seal, it has a base sandwich black dial in a cushion shaped Radiomir SS case 45mm, with detachable wire lugs with, Display caseback and movement Panerai OP XI calibre, a modified ETA 6497/2, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.
In 2005 H-series it happens a small tweak to the design of the Black Seal, in that the word “Black Seal” moves from below the center of the watch to above the center. And the brand Panerai goes to below the center. There is also a change in decoration of movement, it changes from old PANERAI-PANERAI to modern Côtes de Geneve.
Therefore all PAM 183 from H-series onwards should have the words Radiomir-Black Seal above the center and the brand Panerai below the center and vice versa. The new movement has Côtes de Geneve decoration.
There are replicas from the regular dealers and from DSN, they all are First Class reps medium level of 2005 H-series, despite some flaws concerning lume and case shape.
WARNING: We have received in September 2012 some serious claims (from chris9) about the replica H-series from Puretime with all modds. Poor quality and bad or missing modds.. It is not a definitive downgrading just a WARNING !! Please bear in mind. I will inform when we have more info. Just be careful

April 2013- there are new replicas PAM 183 G-series with Côtes de Geneve movement but, be careful, wrong dial with "Black Seal" above the center. We cannot evaluate these replicas as First Class due to this flaw on the dial

September 2013- H maker introduces a PAM183 O-series with better lume and crystal.
Inscriptions on dial are not creamy, but almost white, and under some lighting conditions a bit greenish. Lume is very good and with greenish colour like gen under light and in darkness. You can see pics and information about thios rep in a review by chris9 here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=171551 by chris9
Some differences between rep and gen dial in below comparison review:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/210910-Radiomir-183-BS-HF-dial-vs-GEN-dial-(PICS) by Bozz
We can consider this H maker version O-series as First Class rep of medium level
Some more info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=158935 by ehhcl3537rw
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=214491 by AP_VC

PAM 183
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam183h-ss-black-dial-on-brown-strap-a6497/ PAM 183 H
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11616-xfpa2860-radiomir-black-seal-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497-manual-wind.html Noob H
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11617-xfpa2870-radiomir-black-seal-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497-manual-wind.html Noob H
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2868&ti= Hmaker O
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+183&product_id=828 Hmaker O
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=11172 Hmaker O
(*)http://www.trusty-wacth.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=7 PAM 183 H
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn183o01-radiomir-blackseal-ssle-black-p-14794.html Hmaker O
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn18305-183h-black-seal-series-asian-unitas-6497-p-176.html PAM 183 H
http://www.pf-818.com/pn18303-183g-black-seal-series-asian-unitas-6497-p-674.html G-series see above, dial flaw
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=98838 DSN H
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2045%20mm%20Radiomir%20watches/New%20Born%20Pam%20183H%20Black%20Seal/ DSN H
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_12.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/radiomirhistoric.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3069&id_categoria=3205
***

The PAM 186 is the same as PAM 252 North Pole but has Black dial and Arktos engraved Caseback
The Arktos PAM 186 was released to commemorate the successful completion of Mike Horn's 20,000 mile circumnavigation of the Arctic Circle in the most extreme and harshest sub-zero conditions. That’s where the story ends. The Arktos story actually started with the Arktos PAM 92.
The PAM 92 was released to commemorate the start of the Arktos expedition. The Arktos Expedition ended up being accomplished in 2 phases due to rough conditions that almost caused Mike Horn to lose the use of his hands and feet permanently due to severe frostbite. He had to take a break to recuperate and during this time he asked Panerai to equip him with a new GMT watch (so he could know what time it was at home & when he called his family). When Mike Horn resumed the Arktos expedition, he was equipped by Panerai with the PAM 186 Arktos GMT.
The PAM 186 Arktos is a representation of Mike Horn’s indomitable spirit and tenacity. Even after being forced to halt the expedition due to severe sub- zero conditions and losing appendages to frostbite and against his Doctor’s orders, he was able to recuperate, refocus his determination and pick up the Arktos expedition where he left off. Mike Horn’s successful completion of the Arktos Expedition was commemorated with the release of this watch, the PAM 186 Arktos GMT. Mike Horn remains the first and only person to successfully circumnavigate the Arctic Circle.
The PAM 186 has the looks of Panerai submersible watches, but - although the gen is water resistant up to 300 meters - technically it's not a submersible. Its rotating bezel is not used to calculate submersion time but it functions as a compass aid instead. The letters N,E,S and W are on the bezel to indicate North, East, South and West. The watch can be used to find the north direction by making the hour hand point straight at the sun. Half the angle between the hour hand and the 12 o'clock index. This direction is south! You can then rotate the bezel to that position to keep track of where you're going. It's a nice function but probably more of a gadget than a useful one.
The PAM 186 has a solid steel case back with the picture of a world map engraved, with an ellipse with an arrow over the Arctic Circle (indicating the circumnavigation), the Arktos inscription and the signature of Mike Horn. The engraving refers to above mentioned Mike Horn's North Pole Winter Expedition.
Please be careful because some replicas have inaccurate caseback with different decoration engravings
The replica has a quite good quality.

PAM 186
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam186-arktos-gmt-ultimate-edition/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11630-xfpa3200-pam186-arktos-gmt-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=186&product_id=608
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=857
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1918
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_34.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/gmt.html
http://www.network54.com/Forum/611718/thread/1275944749/last-1276960812/FS-+Panerai+PAM+186+ARKTOS+gmt+(Doc-Ernie)
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (G-series with A7753 movement)
WARNING: the last batches of Noob PAM 187 from about middle 2012 have some problems . Read below
Noob BATCHES FROM MIDDLE 2012 EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP (Bordering a lower status)
The gen PAM 187 was a Unique Special Edition of 1000 pieces in 2004, one year truly prolific in these runs and especially as relates to submersibles. It is a stunning watch made of brushed SS 47mm and He valve. For the first time appears in the line Submersible the Chrono function (movement OP XII) with threaded pushers ensuring waterproof 1000 meters...a true instrument!
The reps of PAM 187 G-series come with either A7750 or A7753 movement and have an impressive replica quality. The A7750 reps have non working date adjustment @10, and you will have to do the date adjustment via crown. The A7753 have working date adjustment @10.
The only flaws of this replica seem to be: Lume in main hands is cream like markers instead of white like gen, 1000 inscription on dial is darker and the angle in the inner part of the CG which should be more pronounced. The dial markers are painted in a different way to the gen and their frame are shiny.
People usually ask if subdial markers of this watch have lume. They actually have no lume either gen or rep. Only subdial hands have lume.
Some comments about that here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=144122 by watchpt
Some huge pics of the gen here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/looking-for-some-145945?p=1447518 by ThinkBachs
The replicas fitted by A7753 (with working date adjustment @10) are Super reps. We can consider the A7750 very good quality reps or even First Class reps if you can live with the non working pusher @10 and a more sunken date whell, less quality lume…
Anyway this replica had other flaws:
-Hands lume is yellowish instead of white like gen
-Date window is placed not centered between 5 and 4 (it is closer to 5)
-Wrong colour in 1000 inscription on dial
-Inner angled shape in CG is not as pronounced as gen, mainly in first batches
-Some issues in pusher for changing date
This replica has experienced some changes in its evolution to try fixing above flaws, hand lume and 1000 colour are not yet solved and inner angled shape is almost enterely correct.
According to Joshua of Perfect Clones (who was the gen donor in this case, in times he was in quite good contacts with Noob) Polonus says there were three sub-version of this watch:
- The first one, as released - with date too close to "5" and problems with date change pushed and wrong shape of CG
- The second, with corrected CG shape and first attempts to solve date pusher problem
- The third, where they shifted date window to make it almost in the center between "4" and "5" and made date pusher more secure and got more clear sapphire
WARNING: from about middle 2012 the last batches of replicas from Noob have some additional issues, consisting in non recessed suddials and other flaws.
To get more info about that go to the fantastic Review made by PolonusTM:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=157814
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=213895
This review is the conclusion after some threads by Polonus about this matter:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=156950
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=213433
Then we have several issues in last batches:
- Wrong lume in hands, creamish instead of almost white
- 1000 inscription on dial is darker
- The angle in the inner part of the CG which should be more pronounced.
- Wrong painting process of dial markers frame (read review)
- Wrong flat subdials
- Some differences in date wheel between units
Due to these last problems, the Noob PAM 187 replicas from middle 2012 have to be downgraded to First Class replicas bordering a lower status. These replicas keep such a status because of their great quality of construction.
The PAM 187 is very big and has a very Sub style but it can be considered like good candidate for a first Panerai replica.
See good pictorial here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=39863 by sardonix
Another nice pictorial here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/296554-The-beauty-of-the-beast by DocThor

PAM 187
REPLICA links:
BEAR IN MIND WARNING OBSERVATIONS
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam187-g-submersible-chronograph-11-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap-a7753/ Noob 7753
http://www.puretime-asi.com/product/pam243-m-noob-maker-11-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap-v2-a7750/ Noob 7750
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11149-pa7500xf-pam187-1000m-submersible-chrono-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html Noob 7753
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2206&ti= Noob 7753
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+187&product_id=86 Noob 7753
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1224 Noob 7753
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=7763 Noob 7753
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=110&products_id=708 Noob 7750
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn187g01-submersible-chrono-ssru-a7753-p-10436.html Noob 7753
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_117.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials04.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3085&id_categoria=3084
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower grade (Noob H-series A7753 2010 version)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium–good level (Noob & H maker I-series A7753 2013 versions)
The PAM 188 is the plain White dial version of the first generation of Luminor Chrono 44mm.
This first generation of gen Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm is a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, it conserves the square type chrono pushers, but it uses a completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds had, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are three first models from 2003 and 2004, they all with the same structure of brushed SS case, polished SS bezel with tachymeter and complex dial with nine numerals. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the Daylight inscription: PAM 162 Black with silvered sub-dials “Panda”type, PAM 196 plain Black Daylight and PAM 188 plain White Daylight dial.
There is also a 2005 Special Edition, PAM 224, all polished SS and nice Firenze Blue dial.
The PAM 162 was the first 44mm chronograph, released in 2003, but was relatively short-lived, only lasting a year, being supplanted in 2004 by the Daylights White dial PAM 188 and Black dial PAM 196 chronographs instead.
The PAM 162 is strangely the only Panerai Chrono 44mm with “Panda” type sub-dial configuration. The two following Daylight were originally promoted as having "Panda" type dials like the Newman Daytona, however just before shipping this decision was vetoed, and they ended up as plain black or plain white. Perhaps the “Panda” configuration is being saved for a future special edition?

From about 2007 there are replicas of Daylights with some evolutions (with A7750 and even A7753) until the release of a good series from Noob in 2010 H-series fitted with A7753 and featuring a working date change pusher @10. These replicas had no correct position of DW and change of date started about two hours before midnight.

July 2013- Noob and H maker release a new generation of Daylight replicas I-series, fitted with an improved A7753, with completely improved DW position (almost the same as gen), working date change pusher @10 but again starting the date change about half past 10 hrs.
These replicas 2013 versions have several improvements over the Noob 2010 but they have also little worsenings.
To know about these improvements and worsenings, pros and cons of both versions you should consul a complete comparison review of both Noob versions and H maker PAM 188 by ALE.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam-daylight-158098?t=158098 by ALE
In this review you can read the differences between Three versions and the flaws in comparison to the gen, and to see that the new versions are better than Noob 2010 version, although there are also some worsenings added.
-Which is the best version available for PAM 188, H maker or Noob 2013?
The answer to this question depends, as many times, on personal taste.
Can you live with the more evident flaws of each version?
-If you choose Noob 2103 you will get perfect CG finish and date fonts, but overall thinner markers noticeable throughout the dial, inaccurate big chrono second hand and “slim” crown
-If you choose H maker you will get more accurate dial, but completely wrong date fonts, way worse CG finish with overpolished and rounded edges, thinner CG and inaccurate position of CG and chrono pushers.
You have to decide with above info
Regarding evaluations, bear in mind that the analysis of this review is very detailed and with many enlargements of the FIGURES, many flaws above mentioned, although existent, are many times few noticeable and by side by side comparisons.
Three studied replicas are very well manufactured and overall quality is awesome.
Considering the improvements and remaining flaws, we can consider that H maker and Noob 2013 are in the same level, with a slight advantage of H maker due to the big Noob flaw of thinner markers, although the bad CG finish of H maker is very disappointing. Noob 2010 is in a lower level.
There are many flaws in three replicas to get a Super rep status (although the solid caseback) but the great manufacture quality gives them the First Class status
We can say that Noob 2010 H-series version is a First Class replica of low level and H maker and Noob 2013 I-series are First Class replicas of medium-high level
We must wait for new releases to get a real Super replica of PAM 188.

PAM 188
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam188-i-luminer-daylight-ultimate-white-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7753/ Noob I-series A7753 2013
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam188-i-luminer-daylight-ultimate-white-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob I-series A7753 2013 (*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam188h-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob H-series A7753 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11639-xfpa3260-pam188-luminor-daylight-chrono-white-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html WARNING- Be careful these watches are sold as Noob I-series 2013 but pics are from Noob H-series 2010 !!
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14434-pa14434-pam188-i-luminor-chrono-daylight-white-ss-lt-noobfactory-best-a7753.html Noob I-series A7753 2013
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13749-pa13749.html H maker I-series A7753 2013
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2030 Noob H-series A7753 2010
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+188&product_id=858 Noob I-series A7753 2013
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6749 Noob H-series A7753 2010
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=10721 H maker I-series A7753 2013
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn188i02-daylight-ssle-white-asian-7753-p-18127.html H maker I-series A7753 2013
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_45.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
8-5

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The gen PAM 193, introduced in 2007 J-series, is the first watch by Panerai to incorporate a mechanical instrument into its design. This watch of 47mm features an automatic movement and an independent mechanical depth gauge that is powered by a lithium battery. The depth gauge on this Panerai has been individually tested by the Swiss Federal Office for Meterology (METAS) for extreme accuracy. The depth gauge is so cool it even has a memory function to retain the max depth of your previous dive. The huge 47mm case is made of Titanium and the dial is a Tritium dial. The gen PAM 193 is a limited edition with only 600 units.
Unfortunately the rep PAM 193 doesn’t have, obviously, this nice and interesting function. It is a beautiful watch but not an advisable replica.
Some info and pics here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=53615 by rickyrosey
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=18644 by Del
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=53615by rickyrosey
PAM 193
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam193-i-depth-guage-submersible-titanium-a2813/
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2116&ti=
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+193&product_id=565
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=9349
http://www.pf-818.com/pn19302-deepgauage-tuna-tiru-black-p-12082.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Professional_87.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/pam-193-i---submersible-depth-gauge---47mm-titanium-case---boxespapers-100-complete---purchased-new-jan-2012--rarely-if-ever-worn--id1957037.htm?query=Panerai+pam+193+i+submersible+depth&dosearch=true&searchexplain=1&resultview=list&goal_suggest=1&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
**

The gen PAM 194 was a Unique Special Edition of 1000 pieces in 2004, one year truly prolific in these runs and especially as relates to submersibles. It is a stunning watch with case made of brushed Titanium of 47mm, brushed SS bezel and He valve. For the first time appears in the line Submersible a feature ensuring waterproof to 2500m. It is like a non chrono version of the PAM 187 but with Titanium case
The rep PAM 194 comes with either A7750 or A21J movement, this last movement in cheap and low grade replicas.
The reps of PAM 194 have the case made of SS instead of Titanium like the gen and don’t have a very good quality. It is aMedium grade rep, and is not an advisable purchase, because if you are looking for a big PAM Submersible with 1950 case of 47mm, it would be better going to the PAM 187 or to PAM 305.

PAM 194
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1025
http://www.tswatchltd.com/6083-pa0271-panerai-luminor-submersible-2500-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.tswatchltd.com/10700-pa2800-luminor-submersible-2500-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-21j-automatic.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_118.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials04.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2004/233-luminor-submersible-2500-m-pam00194
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (DSN models)
The PAM 195 is like a PVD coated version of a PAM 005. See more related watches in PAM 005.
The gen PAM 195 was a Unique Edition of 200 Pieces made in 2003 for the members of Paneristi.com. Potentially the most contentious special edition ever, the PAM 195 was concieved as a "collectors only" watch. Basically a standard Luminor Marina, the watch also sports the original OP logo on the dial, and a PVD case. What makes the watch unique is that the name of each (original) buyer is engraved on the caseback. This watch has a beautiful dark grey pencil lead PVD colour.
The OP Logo is made up of the letters O and P which of course stand for Officine and Panerai. There are also two arrows in the logo - one pointing up and one pointing down-. These refer to the fact that Panerai was a specialist in manufacturing underwater products and landing aid systems. The down arrow referred to the under water (diving) products, the up arrow referred to the other tools.
The high price and collectible pre-Vendome 5218-201/A, 5218-209/A and PAM 000-005-318-195-360-380-424 are the only available Panerai watches with the legend OP Logo.

There are replicas from regular dealers and from DSN. This last version rep from DSN has even three types of engraved names in caseback. DSN are First class reps of low level. Other models have inaccurate PVD colour and some other flaws.

PAM 195
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam195-se-a6497-on-brown-leather-strap/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam195-se-a6497-on-black-leather-strap/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11854-pa0380fo-pam195-lumin-marina-black-dial-pvd-lt-asian-6497.html
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11853-pa0370fo-pam195-lumin-marina-black-dial-pvd-lt-asian-6497.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=5524
Above link from TT has wrong conventional caseback engraving (without name)
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=87456 DSN model
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam 44mm steel luminor watches/Pam pvd 195/ DSN model
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_227.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials03.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3104&id_categoria=48
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower grade (Noob H-series 2010 version)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium–good level (Noob & H maker I-series 2013 versions)
The PAM 196 is the plain Black dial version of the first generation of Luminor Chrono 44mm.
This first generation of gen Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm is a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, it conserves the square type chrono pushers, but it uses a completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds had, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are three first models from 2003 and 2004, they all with the same structure of brushed SS case, polished SS bezel with tachymeter and complex dial with nine numerals. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the Daylight inscription: PAM 162 Black with silvered sub-dials “Panda”type, PAM 196 plain Black Daylight and PAM 188 plain White Daylight dial.
There is also a 2005 Special Edition, PAM 224, all polished SS and nice Firenze Blue dial.
The PAM 162 was the first 44mm chronograph, released in 2003, but was relatively short-lived, only lasting a year, being supplanted in 2004 by the Daylights White dial PAM 188 and Black dial PAM 196 chronographs instead.
The PAM 162 is strangely the only Panerai Chrono 44mm with “Panda” type sub-dial configuration. The two following Daylight were originally promoted as having "Panda" type dials like the Newman Daytona, however just before shipping this decision was vetoed, and they ended up as plain black or plain white. Perhaps the “Panda” configuration is being saved for a future special edition?

From about 2007 -there are replicas of Daylights with some evolutions (with A7750 and even A7753) until the release of a good series from Noob in 2010 H-series fitted with A7753 and featuring a working date change pusher @10. These replicas had no correct position of DW and change of date started about two hours before midnight.


July 2013- Noob and H maker release a new generation of Daylight replicas I-series, fitted with an improved A7753, with completely improved DW position (almost the same as gen), working date change pusher @10 but again starting the date change about half past 10 hrs.
These replicas 2013 versions have several improvements over the Noob 2010 but they have also little worsenings.
To know about these improvements and worsenings, pros and cons of both versions you should consul a complete comparison review of both Noob versions and H maker PAM 196 by ALE.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=156764&p=1569575#post-1569575 by ALE
In this review you can read the differences between Three versions and the flaws in comparison to the gen, and to see that the new versions are better than Noob 2010 version, although there are also some worsenings added.
-Which is the best version available for PAM 196, H maker or Noob 2013?
The answer to this question depends, as many times, on personal taste.
Can you live with the more evident flaws of each version?
-If you choose Noob 2103 you will get perfect CG finish and date fonts, but overall thicker markers noticeable throughout the dial, inaccurate big chrono second hand and “slim” crown
-If you choose H maker you will get more accurate dial, but completely wrong date fonts, way worse CG finish with overpolished and rounded edges, thinner CG and inaccurate position of CG and chrono pushers.
You have to decide with above info
Regarding evaluations, bear in mind that the analysis of the review is very detailed and with many enlargements of the FIGURES, many flaws above mentioned, although existent, are many times few noticeable and by side by side comparisons.
Three studied replicas are very well manufactured and overall quality is awesome. Considering the improvements and remaining flaws, we can consider that H maker and Noob 2013 are in the same level, with a slight advantage of H maker due to the big Noob flaw of thicker markers, although the bad CG finish of H maker is very disappointing. Noob 2010 is in a lower level.
There are many flaws in three replicas to get a Super rep status (although the solid caseback) but the great manufacture quality gives them the First Class status .
We can say that Noob 2010 H-series version is a First Class replica of low level and H maker and Noob 2013 I-series are First Class replicas of medium-high level
We must wait for new releases to get a real Super replica of PAM 196.
Good pictorial here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=100463 by Gazzla
PAM 196
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam196-i-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam196-i-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam196-i-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-on-bracelet-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam196h-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14433-pa14433-pam196-i-luminor-chrono-daylight-black-ss-lt-noobfactory-best-a7753.html Noob 2013
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/10619-pa1980-pam196-daylight-luminor-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html Noob 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13751-pa13751.html H maker 2103
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2081&ti= Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+196&product_id=857 Noob 2013
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+196&product_id=737 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+196&product_id=797 Hmaker 2013
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=10724 H maker 2103
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn196i02-daylight-ssle-black-asian-7753-p-13720.html H maker 2103
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_46.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/pam-196-chronograph-black-dial-polished-bezel--id1874851.htm?query=Panerai+pam+196+chronograph+bl ack&dosearch=true&searchexplain=true&resultview=li st&goal_suggest=1&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=623112&rid=0
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=6463337&rid=0
http://www.network54.com/Forum/642233/thread/1277101360/Panerai+chrono+face+to+face+while+in+Vancouver.... a+WIS+moment
**

The PAM 199 is very similar to PAM 024 but has a nice Woven textured dial. The gen PAM 199 was a Unique Special Edition of 500 pieces to commemorate the “Regatta” Laureus Sports Awards 2004.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
If you are looking for a Panerai Submersible with Textured dial it is better going to a PAM 025 from DSN, or better avoid the textured dial and go to the excellent PAM 243.

PAM 199
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam199-submersible-ultimate-edition/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1319
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_119.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials04.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2004/238-luminor-submersible-regatta-pam00199
**

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The PAM 203 is similar to a version Brown dial and Power Reserve with logo “8Giorni-Brevettato” of a PAM 127 Fiddy. The gen PAM 203 is fitted with a beautiful movement Angelus SF240. This watch is a Unique Edition of 150 pieces in 2005 H-series.
Replicas of PAM 203 are fitted with a Manual A6497 decorated like an Angelus Type, but it is very inaccurate and the watch has Display caseback which denounces the flaws of the movement. It is a Low grade replica. If you are looking for a manual winding Panerai in 1950 brushed case and polished bezel with display caseback the best choice is the PAM 127 Fiddy from Noob.

PAM 203
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=470
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=628
http://www.pf-818.com/pn20301-1950-days-p-549.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_130.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials05.html
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high levell (H maker N-series 2013 versions)
The PAM 210 made of SS is identical to the gen PAM 231 but this last watch is made of solid Rose Gold.
This watch is also very similar to the Radiomir “Black Seal” PAM 183 introduced in 2004 but without seconds@9 sub-dial and without the inscription Black Seal in the dial.
The gen PAM210 was introduced in 2005 (1500 units in the H-series) and it is still in production. Aimed squarely at the enthusiast and collector, this model definitely shows Panerai's link to the “Historic” Radiomir models and military roots, as it does resemble the vintage Radiomirs and the PAM 021. The 021 was the first Radiomir watch that Panerai created for the general public. The 210 may very well be the closest you can get to Panerai's sprit in this price range.
The gen PAM 210 is one of the more affordable Panerai Radiomir models. The watch has a base sandwich black dial in a cushion shaped Radiomir SS case 45mm, with detachable wire lugs with, Display caseback and movement Panerai OPX calibre, a modified ETA 6497, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.
"Base" is the Panerai term used to describe watches that have only an hour and a minute hand without any further complications. Its strength lies in its legibility and in its simple design.

In 2012 there were replicas Low-Medium grade from the regular dealers and a quite good from DSN.

September 2013- Hmaker introduces a PAM 210 N-series with better lume and crystal and otherimprovements. We can consider it a First Class rep of high level
Good pictorial review here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=214491&p=2336862&viewfull=1#post2 336862 by Carrera906
A mini-review of this replica in the same thread:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=214491&p=2337310&viewfull=1#post2337310 by Carrera906
Following Carrera observations:
- The writing on the dial is not quite thick enough and the dial cut outs perhaps not quite deep enough (both common traits on H-fac historic series Pams).
- The uncharged lume on the hands is lighter than on the dial (sometimes see this in gen photos though), so they don't quite match perfectly. Likewise, when the lume is charged, the hands are a little bit weaker than the dial. Neither of these things really show up in the pictures.
- The case corners are probably not quite as sharp/pointed as the gen, but there's not a lot in it.
- Caseback, case and crown engravings appear good.
- CP could be tidied up.
- Bezel and crystal are up to standard and Rads are nice in having a slightly domed crystal.
- Crown screws down well on my example, with no big gap between the crown and tube. It's a bit gritty feeling though and I expect, easy to cross thread.
-Winding the watch is very positive and secure feeling, with a strong spring action on mine . Timekeeping seems very good, so far.
- Strap screws are OK and shouldn't come loose, but I think you just need to exercise a little care when tightening up.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=158935 by ehhcl3537rwi
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=159099 by deadagleb
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=214491by AP_VC
Overall, I'm very pleased with it. It's perhaps not quite up to the Super-rep standard of a Noob 111/112, but nonetheless, still very, very good and let's face it, this and the 183 are now the best 'historic' series Radiomirs available that aren't the 292.
Above said confirm evaluation.


September 2014- JFac released a PAM 210 K-series. Seeing the quality this is IMO an unnecessary version because it add nothing over the existent H maker. Crystal seems very raised and cushion shape corners are completely squared.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=195553 by Nick1980
Evaluation of just a Good replica no more

PAM 210
REPLICA links:
http://pure-time.com/product/pam210-k-radiomir-jf-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a6497/ JFac K-series
http://www.tswatchltd.com/15824-pa15824-pam210-k-jf-black-dial-ss-lt-a6497.html JFac K-series
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13723-ra13723.html 210 K-series
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+210&product_id=835 H maker N-series
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1120 210 G-series
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&produ cts_id=11174 H maker N-series
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn210n01-radiomir-base-ssle-black-a6497-p-14793.html%20H%20maker%20N-series H maker N-series
http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/dsnwatches/library/Pam%2045%20mm%20Radiomir%20watches/New%20Born%20Pam%20210H?sort=3&page=1
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_10.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/radiomirhistoric.html
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/search?q=pam210
***

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (I & J-series H maker) (with some restrictions due to inaccurate movement, see comments)
The PAM 212 is like a PAM 253 but with flat surface dial
The PAM 212 is similar to a PAM 213 but “Flyback” instead of “Rattrapante”
In 2005 H–series Panerai released above mentioned PAM 212 and 213 upscale chronographs, with fine movements OP XIX in a Luminor 1950 case.
A “Flyback” chronograph can work like a regular chronograph, starting-stopping with the pusher @2 and returning to zero pressing the pusher @4 after stopping with pusher @2.
But this type of chronograph has also this special “Flyback” function, also known as the “retour en vol” or Taylor function, which is very simple to operate. The “Flyback” function is used while the chronograph is running (without stopping by pressing the pusher @2) pressing the return to zero pusher @4, immediately returns the large blued centre hand to zero (we repeat: without having to stop it first) and the hand instantly starts again when the button is released. See Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G8CXrY0rz0&feature=related
The gen PAM 212 features this special technical function by means of the Panerai calibre OP XIX, an automatic movement with a column wheel system controlling the chronograph functions.
The appearance of the “Flyback” function was catalyzed by the first watch with a separate chronograph button (the stop and reset functions were previously controlled by the winding-crown). This watch appeared in 1923 and was developed by Breitling.
The chronographs have afterwards gained the form which they retained until today. In 1934 the Breitling chronographs received the second chronograph button with the function of returning the seconds hand to zero. Thus it became possible to measure short intervals of time using the add function. However the patent of the “Flyback” chronograph belongs to Longines with its first “Flyback” chronograph dating back to 1936.
This “Flyback” complication is impossible to get by the replicas and, therefore, they have False “Flyback” function. Moreover, the Display caseback denounces an, obviously, inaccurate movement. Since the best versions of these replicas, I-series (mineral crystal) and better J-series (sapphire crystal) from H maker, have an impressive construction quality, we have classified them as First Class reps bordering lower status, but if we cannot live with such a flaws we should consider them as only very good reps. Following the below review from Polonus these replicas have thinner fonts in dial inscriptions and a very good crystal but maybe not sapphire quality like the gen.
Be careful because I-series H maker and some J-series too, have rotor wrong engraved jewels OPXVIII instead of 30 jewels OPXIX
Review of PAM 212 J-series from H maker here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=118821&p=1166210%20#post-1166210 by PolonusTM


Sept-2012- It was released a PAM 212 rep fitted with Seagull ST19 movement. As usually with this movement, the quality of the watch is good but tthe replica is awful, completely worng position of pushers, overall wrong dial (all different). It is not at all a recomendable purchase.

PAM 212
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam212-j-black-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7750/ Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam212i-luminor-flyback-chrono-1950-ultimate-edition-on-custom-dark-brown-leathe-strap/ Hmaker I
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam212i-luminor-flyback-chrono-1951-ultimate-edition/ Hmaker I
(Low grade replica- but good watch) http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam212-luminor-flyback-chrono-1950-on-black-leather-strap-st19/ Version ST-19 no advisable.
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12401-pa7550b-pam212-j-h-factory-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12397-pa7510b-pam212-j-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2092&ti= Hmaker I
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2098&ti= Hmaker I
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+212&product_id=545 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1110 Hmaker I
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=10562 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=9399 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=9398 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn212j01-212j-1950-flyback-p-12139.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn212j02-212j-1950-flyback-p-12141.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7140 Hmaker J
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_50.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/luminor1950chrono.html
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The PAM 213 is like a PAM 286 but with flat surface dial (PAM 286 has marked with blue the previous five minutes before the starting of the Regatta in the minute counter)
The PAM 213 is similar to a PAM 212 but “Rattrapante” instead of “Flyback”
In 2005 H–series Panerai released above mentioned PAM 213 and 212 upscale chronographs, with fine movements in a Luminor 1950 case.
A "Rattrapante","split seconds","double chronograph” or “doppelchrono” has two seconds hands, one hand is superimposed over the other. When you start the chrono, by pressing pusher @2, both hands start together, but when they are running, if you press the “Rattrapante” pusher @8, you stop the lower second hand, while the other continues running. If you push again the pusher @8 the lower hand catches up the hand which is running and they continue together again, if you push another time the lower hand stops again and the upper continues running, and so every time you repeat the pushing. See Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUSvi1oOaZg&feature=related
The gen PAM 213 features this special technical function by means of the Panerai calibre OP XVIII, an automatic movement with a double column wheel system controlling the chronograph functions.
This “Rattrapante” complication is impossible to get by the replicas and threfore they have False “Rattrapante” function and even a completely false pusher @8. Moreover, the Display caseback denounces an, obviously, inaccurate movement, even more inaccurate than in the case of the “Flyback”. Due to the best versions of these replicas, I-series from H maker, have an impressive construction quality, we must to classify them as very good reps, but if you cannot live with such a flaws we should consider them as only good reps.

PAM 213
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam213i-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap/ Hmaker I
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam213i-ultimate-edition-on-custom-dark-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker I
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12400-pa7540b-pam213-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker I
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12396-pa7500b-pam213-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker I
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+213&product_id=556 Hmaker I
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7219 Hmaker I
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7218 Hmaker I
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn213i02-213i-1950-split-chrono-ssru-28800-p-9711.html Hmaker I
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn213i03-213i-1950-split-chrono-ssny-28800-p-13449.html Hmaker I
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6201 Hmaker I
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_51.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/luminor1950chrono.html
**

EVALUATION: See comments
The PAM 214 is similar to PAM 288 but it is, moreover, a Rattrapante Chrono and has Display caseback instead of Solid caseback like the PAM 288.
The gen PAM 214 started in 2005 H-series, hopefully heralds a line of regular production chronographs in Radiomir cases, this combination of case and complications having previously been confined to special editions. The gen PAM 214 is a Ratrappante Chrono, using the same movement OP XVIII as the new 1950 Rattrapante Chronos, an automatic movement with a double column wheel system controlling the chronograph functions.
A "Rattrapante","split seconds","double chronograph” or “doppelchrono” has two seconds hands, one hand is superimposed over the other. When you start the chrono, by pressing pusher @2, both hands start together, but when they are running, if you press the “Rattrapante” pusher @8, you stop the lower second hand, while the other continues running. If you push again the pusher @8 the lower hand catches up the hand which is running and they continue together again, if you push another time the lower hand stops again and the upper continues running, and so every time you repeat the pushing. See Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUSvi1oOaZg&feature=related
Obviously the rep PAM 214 doesn’t have the Rattrapante function due to it fits a conventional A7750 movement, so the rattrapante function pusher @8 is only decorative. This is the main problem of PAM 214 replicas. Concerning construction the rep PAM 214 would be a First Class or even a Super rep like the PAM 288, but due to its false Rattrapante function and Display caseback which denounces a very inaccurate movement we must consider it just a very good rep. As you can see by the rep links there are new improved versions but quite more expensive and with the same movement flaws, up to you.
If you can live with this inaccuracy the PAM 214 could be a good choice. But, anyway, if you are looking for a Radiomir Chrono the best choice would be the Super rep PAM 288 with solid caseback.

PAM 214
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam214h-ultimate-edition-on-genuine-caiman-crocodile-leather-strap/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam214h-ultimate-edition-on-calf-leather-strap/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12398-pa7520b-pam214-h-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.tswatchltd.com/7565-pam214h-panerai-radiomir-rattrapante-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2105&ti=
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=7136
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=8585
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn214h01-214h-radiomir-split-chrono-ssle-a7750-p-9605.html
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn214i01-214i-radiomir-split-chrono-p-11231.html
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6620
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6618
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_53.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/radiomirchrono.html
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (Last generation Noob from 2012)
The PAM 217 is the Destro version of the PAM 127 CG on the Right (but 127 has on the dial Luminor Marina instead of Marina Militare like the 217)
Like the gen PAM 127 1950 “Fiddy” the PAM 217 is a homage to the vintage “6152/1” released in 2005 H-series in a Limited Edition of 1000 pieces.
This watch has a very large 47 mm stainless steel case with a black Sandwich Luminova dial with the Panerai and Marina Militare inscriptions. It has gold hands and a gold sub second hand that are just stunning against the black background. It has a Display caseback showing off its OPXI movement which looks similar in design to the vintage Rolex pocket watch movement that these pieces housed.
This gen watch continues to get harder and harder to get as resale prices steadily climb.
Fortunately the last generation (from the end of 2011- beginning 2012) of reps Noob factory are nice Super reps.
YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE: this replica PAM 217 is very similar to PAM 127. All the crystal issues for PAM 127 are valid for PAM 217. Therefore I recommend you read the Data about PAM 127, bearing in mind that they are the same for PAM 217 !!!
MODIFICATIONS: Almost all modifications and improvements applied to PAM 127 are valid for PAM 217. Please bear it in mind, reading the possibilities for PAM 127.
To see a very good mod work in this watch read below link of a goin6633 job:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/modified-pam217-131380?p=1290788by goin6633
A perfect candidate for a first Panerai replica

PAM 217
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam217-h-n-maker-11-superlumed-ultimate-edition-on-black-calfskin-leather-strap/ Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12178-xfpa0501-pam217-marina-militare-black-dial-ss-lt-47mm-superlume-noobfactory-best-asian-6497.html Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2329&ti= Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+217&product_id=179 Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=9158 Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn217h01-lefty-ssle-6497-p-11875.html Noob 2012->
(**)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7047 Noob 2012->
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_133.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials05.html
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (M & L -series from H maker)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (M & L -series from Noob)
The PAM 219 is the Destro version of PAM 112. See more related watches in PAM 112.
This gen watch was released in 2005 and, therefore, comes with OP X movement. It is the first Luminor Base Destro
There are quite a few people that are not left-handed, but that still buy and wear destro watches. Perhaps because of the unique design, and look and feel. Or perhaps it is their rarity that makes these models more collectible for some. Destros can of course be worn on either wrist.

There are good replicas L-series from DSN, and L & M-series from Noob and H maker
H maker L & M are replicas First Class high level level with low beat movement
Noob L & M are replicas with high beat movement, with better case than H maker and evaluated as First Class bordering Super rep status.

PAM 219
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam219-m-noob-maker-best-edition-on-rubber-strap-correct-destro-movement-engraving/
Noob M
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam219-m-noob-maker-best-edition-on-brown-calf-strap-correct-destro-movement-engraving/ Noob M
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam219l-11-ultimate-edition-on-custom-dark-brown-leathe-strap/ Hmaker L
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12141-xfpa5710-pam219-lefty-luminor-black-dial-ss-ru-noobfactory-asian-6497.html Noob M
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12143-xfpa5730-pam219-lefty-luminor-black-dial-ss-lt-noobfactory-asian-6497.html Noob M
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12407-pa7500b-pam219-m-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2106&ti= Hmaker L
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+219&product_id=512 Noob M
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=8702 Noob M
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=8703 Noob M
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=8859 Hmaker M
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn318l11-ssru-6497-p-11570.html Noob L
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn318l12-ssle-6497lk-p-11565.html Noob L
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn318l02-brooklyn-bridge-ssle-black-asian-p-9753.html Hmaker L
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/Pam%20219L/ DSN L
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_2.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/basedestro.html
Above paneristi.com link makes a mistake because indicates Brown dial instead of Black.
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=4844&id_categoria=33
**

The PAM 220 is the same as PAM 104 but with Brushed case and SS bracelet. See more related watches in PAM 104.
The gen PAM 220 was introduced in 2005 H-series
Really the rep from Trusty Time seems having polished case and maybe it is a PAM 104 body watch with a bracelet. Anyway this is not an accurate replica and it is not an advisable purchase. If you are looking for an automatic Luminor PAM 220 the best solution is to avoid the bracelet and buy a PAM 104.

PAM 220
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=89
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_18.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44.html
Above paneristi.com link makes a mistake indicating polished case (see gen pics of other links)
http://www.blowers-jewellers.co.uk/images2/watch_images_pages/watches4_panerai_patek_vc_zenith_pages/panerai_pam_220.htm
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The PAM 222 is a variation of the PAM 090 but all-brushed, with Dot markers instead of Stick markers and a decorated Hobnail textured dial.
The gen PAM 222 was a Unique Edition of 500 Watches to celebrate the Panerai Classic “Regatta” Yachts Challenge 2005.
The Power Reserve line started with the PAM 027-028 and 057 having big central second hand and PR indicator @6. The PR line underwent a fairly radical design change from the 2001 D-series with the models PAM 090 and 093. The seconds hand is now a small-seconds @9 and the power reserve indicator is now @4. The movement changed from Soprod type to a modified Valjoux OP IX.
There are relatively cheap PAM 222 replicas fitted with A21J and functional PR. And there are very good reps H-series from H maker fitted with A7750 movements but non functional PR (bear in mind this lack of PR function in case it is important for you)

PAM 222
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12412-pa7550b-pam222-h-h-factory-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-7750.html H maker H A7750
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12413-pa7560b-pam222-h-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750.html H maker H A7750
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=1328&ti= 21J
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&products_id=9110 H maker H A7750
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&products_id=707ç 21J
http://www.pf-818.com/pn222h01-222h-ssru-a7750-p-11826.html H maker H A7750
http://www.pf-818.com/pn22201-regetta-power-reserve-functional-p-1404.html 21J
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_134.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials05.html
This paneristi link makes a mistake indicating the case is made of Titanium, because the case is actually made of SS.
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=4946&id_categoria=4724
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP Low level (Noob H-series 2013 version)
The PAM 224 is a 2005 Unique Edition of 100 watches for the Florence Boutique with similar structure to the first generation of Luminor Chrono 44mm ( PAM 162-188-196) but all-Polished SS and nice Firenze Blue dial.
This first generation of gen Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm is a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, however it uses a completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds had, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
The replicas of PAM 224 are fitted by A7753, they have working date adjustment@10 and are good replicas. There are three first models from 2003 and 2004, they all with the same structure of brushed SS case, polished SS bezel with tachymeter and complex dial with nine numerals. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the Daylight inscription: PAM 162 Black with silvered sub-dials “Panda”type, PAM 196 plain Black Daylight and PAM 188 plain White Daylight dial.
The PAM 162 was the first 44mm chronograph, released in 2003, but was relatively short-lived, only lasting a year, being supplanted in 2004 by the Daylights White dial PAM 188 and Black dial PAM 196 chronographs instead.
The PAM 162 is strangely the only Panerai Chrono 44mm with “Panda” type sub-dial configuration. The two following Daylight were originally promoted as having "Panda" type dials like the Newman Daytona, however just before shipping this decision was vetoed, and they ended up as plain black or plain white. Perhaps the “Panda” configuration is being saved for a future special edition?
PAM 224 is a 2005 Special Edition, all polished SS and nice Firenze Blue dial.

From about 2007 there are replicas of Daylights with some evolutions (with A7750 and even A7753) until the release of a good series from Noob in 2010 H-series fitted with A7753 and featuring a working date change pusher @10. These replicas had no correct position of DW and change of date started about two hours before midnight.

July 2013- Noob release a new generation of Daylight replicas, fitted with an improved A7753, with completely improved DW position (almost the same as gen), working date change pusher @10 but again starting the date change about half past 10 hrs.
These replicas 2013 versions have several improvements over the Noob 2010 but they have also little worsenings.
To know about these improvements and worsenings, pros and cons of both versions you should consult a complete comparison review of both Noob versions and H maker PAM 196 by ALE. This is a review for PAM 196 but it is similar for PAM 224
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=156764&p=1569575#post-15695755 by ALE
In this review you can read the differences between Noob versions and the flaws in comparison to the gen, and to see that the new versions are better than Noob 2010 version, although there are also some worsenings added.
Curiously PAM 224 reps from 2010 and 2013 have almost accurate thickness of big markers, unlike versions of PAM 196.
Noob 2013 gets perfect CG finish and perfect Date window placement with accurate date fonts.
The rest of flaws of PAM 196 which you can see in above mentioned review are present in both Noob versions. Only the CG of PAM 224 are more accurate because H-series had a thinner, CG like gen
But we have to add the inaccuracy of blue colour and nice nuances of gen Firenze dial, almost impossible to get reproduced in a rep. This is arule in rep Firenze dials.
Anyway there are only 100 units produced, very difficult to get a direct comparison.
Regarding evaluations, bear in mind that the analysis of the review is very detailed and with many enlargements of the FIGURES, many flaws above mentioned, although existent, are many times few noticeable and by side by side comparisons.
Both studied replicas are very well manufactured and overall quality is awesome. Considering the improvements and remaining flaws, we can consider that Noob 2013 are clearly in a superior level.
We can say that Noob 2010 H-series version is just a good replica very well build
There are still many flaws in Noob 2013 to get a Super rep status (although the solid caseback) but the great manufacture quality deserves First Class status low level.
Anyway the beauty and good look and appearance of this rep is impressive as you can see in the pics of below threads by Gazzla, you really can forget some inaccuracies:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=84780 by Gazzla
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=84943 by Gazzla
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=85877&st=0&gopid=1407918&#entry1407918by Gazzla
Below two pics of Gazzla’s PAM 224 Noob 2013 version to see the beauty of this dial

THE MAGNIFICENT GAZZLA’s PAM 224 NOOB 2013

PAM 224
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam224-h-luminor-daylight-ultimate-blue-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam224-h-luminor-daylight-ultimate-blue-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam224-h-luminor-daylight-ultimate-blue-dial-on-ss-bracalet-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
http://www.pure-time.com/product/new-arrival-pam224h-daylight-a7753-firenze-boutique-ultimate-edition-on-black-rubber-strap/ Noob 2010
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam224h-daylight-a7753-firenze-boutique-ultimate-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob 2010
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=196&P_id=2083&ti= Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+224&product_id=883 Noob 2013
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6933 Noob 2010
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_135.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&i d_prodotto=5847&id_categoria=4724
**

The PAM 228 has the same structure as PAM 297 but has a Blue Firenze dial and a Rubber strap instead of SS Bracelet
The gen PAM 228 was a 2005 H-series Unique Edition of 100 watches for the Florence Boutique.
The PAM 228 a watch with GMT markers in the Blue Firenze dial. Panerai changed to inner dial markers from 2000 with the PAM 063, before that the PAM 023 and 029 had GMT markers in the bezel (Explorer type)
Like the PAM 088 it has seconds@9 sub-dial, older models, PAM 023, 029 and 063 have central second hand.
PAM 228 has, like the PAM 088, all silvered and well visible GMT hand, before PAM 088 the models PAM 023, 029 and 063 had a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer was visible.
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
There are good replicas of PAM 228, but the Blue Firenze dial character is very difficult to copy in order to consider them more quality reps.
Maybe, if you are looking for a Panerai GMT it would be better go to other models with Black dial like PAM 063 or 237 or better to PAM 088 or 029.

PAM 228
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam228-gmt-ultimate-editon/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=3367
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=1488
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_136.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2005/266-luminor-gmt-firenze-pam00228
**

The PAM 229 is the same as PAM 104 but with Blue Firenze dial. See more related watches in PAM 104
The PAM 229 was a Unique Special Edition in 2005 of 100 watches for the Panerai Florence Boutique.
There are replicas from regular dealers and from DSN. They all are quite good replicas.

PAM 229
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=2439
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=91398 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Automatic%20Luminor%20Marina%20%20watches/Pam%20229H/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_137.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2005/267-luminor-marina-automatic-firenze-pam00229
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EVALUATION – GOOD QUALITY REP (see comments)
The gen PAM 231 was introduced in 2005 H-series and discontinued in 2010.
PAM 231 is a Radiomir Base 45mm with case and bezel made of polished rose gold, therefore only hour and minute hands made of gold too, it has Sandwich black dial and display caseback showing a OPX movement CDG decorated, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.
PAM 231 is like a PAM 210 but made in rose gold instead of SS. Maybe a brown dial instead of Black had been more harmonious IMO.
It is fitted in origin with a brown croco strap with a thumbnail gold buckle.
This model definitely shows a luxury version made of solid Gold of Panerai's link to the “Historic” Radiomir models and military roots. PAM ADN in its pure state.

From 2006- there are quality replicas of this watch with inaccurate case (no sharp edges and square corners) fitted with A6497 low beat and even expensive versions with “Swiss” movements. They have inaccurate caseback, buckle, hands and inscriptions on dial. These replicas are Medium grade replicas but expensive in comparison with modern replicas and they are not worth.

January 2014- H maker releases a rep PAM 231 J-series, with no perfect but very improved case Rose gold coated by DLC-like process (more resistant than conventional process), caseback accurate enough (no perfect either), with wrong fonts of PANERAI inscriptions and PANER_AI issue as usually.
Anyway the most visible flaw is the hour hand clearly wider and longer than gen and much wider than minute hand, whereas gen has both hands with the same width andhour hand doesn’t reach the markers. Most likely maker is using the hands of aPAM 232 which is a mistake.This is a noticeable flaw and, moreover, on dial.
This replica is a good and beautiful watch nicely manufactured, but as replica has evident flaws and on dial, we cannot consider it a First Class replica, good high quality rep and no more. With a correct hour hand it could get a First Class status bordering a lower one.
Get more info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170641 by Sharrkey
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=222405 by AP_VC
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=222630&p=2397213#post2397213 by theflyingdutchman
Pictorial and mini-review
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=224857 by mike00

PAM 231
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/15321-pa15321-pam231-j-radiomir-base-rg-alligator-a6497.html Hmaker J-series
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+231&product_id=989 Hmaker J-series
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1405 Hmaker J-series
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=298 2006 rep
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=293 2006 rep
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=11710 Hmaker J-series
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=11699 Hmaker J-series
http://www.pf-818.com/pn231j02-radiomir-base-rgle-6497-p-15380.html Hmaker J-series
http://www.pf-818.com/pn231j01-radiomir-base-rgle-6497-p-15377.html Hmaker J-series
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_11.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/radiomirhistoric.html
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/radiomir-base-pam-231--id2095432.htm?manufacturerIds=192&picnum=2&referenceNumber=pam00231%24192&tab=pics&urlSubpath=/panerai/ref-pam00231.htm
http://www.paneristifrance.com/archives/montres/item/revue-de-la-pam-231
http://www.blowers-jewellers.co.uk/images2/watch_images_pages/watches4_panerai_patek_vc_zenith_pages/panerai_pam_231_radiomir_45mm.htm
http://www.blowers-jewellers.co.uk/images2/watch_images_pages/watches4_panerai_patek_vc_zenith_pages/pam_231_box_papers.htm
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-231-i-radiomir-base-18k-rose-gold-45mm-boxespapers-new-discontinued-model
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium-high level (DSN models),
EVALUATION: LOW GRADE (other models)
The gen Radiomir 47mm PAM 232, is surely one of the most iconic watches of all the pieces that Panerai produced in recent years, it is a Special Edition of 1938 pieces in 2006. Recently Panerai released a few OOR (out-of-range) units. To some that was great news as it meant there was an opportunity to buy the watch at list price, but others feel that it's not so great to produce more pieces of a Special Edition watch.
PAM 232 is based in the vintage Panerai from 1938, “3646” model, with Brown Sandwich dial 12-3-6-9 numerals and sticks and gold hands. This vintage model had solid caseback and Dome Plexi crystal, the PAM 232 has solid caseback too, but has sapphire crystal without dome and has a movement OP X instead of Rolex Cal 318 like the vintage, moreover the gen PAM 232 doesn’t have “Double-pencil” shape hands like the vintage models (the hands are pointed on both sides)
Before PAM 232, Panerai released the PAM 021 (year 1997, Special Edition of 60 watches) seemingly the same watch, but actually very different because it is made of Platinum, has Display caseback and movement Rolex Cal 618 like the original vintage Panerai watch.
Therefore the PAM 232 is a modern SS version of the PAM 021 made of Platinum. They have very similar Brown Sandwich dial with gold hands, but some experts say that the colour and nuances of the PAM 021 are way better than in the PAM 232.
In 2010 Panerai released the PAM 294 a Special Edition of 49 watches, very similar to PAM 232 but with Dome Plexi crystal and Display casebak like the PAM 021.
Nowadays in 2011 Panerai has launched a 2000 pieces Special Edition of PAM 390 in case Luminor with solid caseback but with a design and dial based in the vintage 3646, the PAM 232 and PAM 021.
Therefore, there is a saga starting in year 1938 with PAM “3646” and following in1997 PAM 021, 2006 PAM 232, 2010 PAM 294 and 2011 the Luminor PAM 390.

There are replicas PAM 232 from regular dealers and from DSN.
The replicas from regular dealers have inaccurate “double-pencil” shape hands, surely because they use the hands from models like PAM 372-373-376-379 and 425. They are Low grade reps.
The replicas from DSN have accurate hand shape (the hands are pointed just at the end) and we can consider them as nice First Class replicas of medium-high level. First production years of these DSN reps came without production number, but from about 2014 DSN reps of PAM 232 come with a correct production number. See here:
www.hontwatch.net/davidsen-dsn-hommage-panerai-radiomir-pam-232-watch/
Nice pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=172869 by dannesyd
Pictorial and short review:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=174905&p=1763286#post-1763286 by kilowattore

PAM 232
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam232/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=856
http://www.pf-818.com/pn23201-radiomir-base-47mm-swiss-unitas-6497-swan-neck-p-1811.html
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=101511 DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20radiomir%20steel%2047mm%20watches/New%20Born%20%20232%20up%20graded%20in%20april%20%202012/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_141.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials06.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2006/270-radiomir-1938-pam00232
**

The PAM 233 is very similar to PAM 320 but has included an indicator AM/PM in the seconds @9 sub-dial and a Power Reserve indicator @6.
There is a version in Rose Gold and Brown dial: the PAM 289
The PAM 233 is a Limited Edition Regular production introduced in year 2006 I-series, which means that a limited number of watches is produced every year.
PAM 233 is the first Paneari watch fitted with an in-house “Manifattura” movement, the hand-wound mechanical calibre P.2002/1.The movement has an eight days power reserve.
The PAM 233 certainly has design elements that clearly show that the PAM127 Fiddy was a source of inspiration. Most importantly the cushion shaped case and the domed crystal. Panerai included a few interesting complications in their new movement, a horizontal power reserve indicator (knows as "the fang"), a second time zone (GMT) including an AM/PM dot inside the sub seconds dial, a date and a seconds reset function that allows you to accurately set the time.
It is fitted with a sapphire Display caseback and Black Sandwich dial. The Panerai PAM233 is one of the most versatile Panerai watches.
The silver GMT second time zone hand rotates once every 12 hours. The fact that the second time zone hands moves along with the hour hand makes it very easy and natural to tell the time in the other time zone. This GMT function is much better than the 24 hour GMT function of for instance the PAM 088. It's also nice that you can hide the second time zone hand behind the hour hand when you don't need it, which again results in a much cleaner looking dial.
The gen PAM 233 has a special Panerai “Manifattura” movement P.2002/1, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. Please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
There are cheap replicas fitted with A23J movement and relative good quality with working Power Reserve indicator.

PAM 233
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/2483-pa4071---pam233-luminor-gmt-8-days-power-reserve-black-date---asia-23j-automatic.html
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=1330&ti=
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=3431
http://www.pf-818.com/pn23301-days-ssru-black-asian-p-5206.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_55.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/manifattura-luminor.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=5805&id_categoria=5784
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower grade (Noob K-series 2010 version)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (Noob K-series 2013 version)
The PAM 236 is the same watch as PAM 250 but with SS bracelet
In 2006 I-series was released the second generation of Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm. It is, like the first generation, a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, it conserves also the square type chrono pushers, and again it uses the same completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds hand, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are very few modifications from the first generation: brushed bezel with tachymeter (before the bezel was polished) and a more “clean” dial, only the “12” numeral is conserved and the other numerals are replaced by little sticks markers (or relatively big dots in the white dial version).
There are three models of this second generation of Chronos in 2006, they all with the same structure of all brushed case-bezel with tachymeter and cleaner dial. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the strap: PAM 250 Black dial on Leather strap, PAM 236 Black dial on SS bracelet and PAM 251 White dial on Leather strap.

The replicas K-series Noob of PAM 236 from 2010 are fitted by A7753, they have working date adjustment@10 and are First Class reps. bordering lower status
Good review here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=115959&highlight=236k by bollobandit

July 2013- Noob releases a new generation of Daylight replicas, fitted with an improved A7753, with completely improved DW position (almost the same as gen), working date change pusher @10 but again starting the date change about half past 10 hrs.
These replica 2013 version have several improvements over the 2010 but they have also little worsenings.
To know about these improvements and worsenings, pros and cons of both versions you should consul a complete review of both Noob versions of PAM 250 by ALE.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=154875 by ALE
In this review you can read the difference between both versions and the flaws in comparison to the gen.
PAM 236 Noob 2013 is fitted with a nice and well finished SS bracelet very similar to gen and with a quality that don’t achieve the finish, uniformity and smoothness of the gen but like in new Noob PAM 299 and 297 it is very close. Good enough to be considered a first class copy.
Regarding evaluations, Noob 2010 version was already considered a First Class replica. After this review we can see that there are some important flaws considering the level of quality of current PAM replicas. We can establish that it is a First Class replica but bordering a lower status.
Noob 2013 version, following the review, introduced a lot of improvements but has still many flaws and even has introduced some worsenings.
We can evaluate it as medium level First Class replica, no more
If Noob introduces some improvements like placement of L SWISS MADE L, fonts of Daylight on dial, better accuracy of subdial markers in general (mainly hours counter @6), length of main hands, correct big seconds hand… , since the caseback is closed, we could consider an upgrading to Super rep status or just bordering it.

PAM 236
REPLICA LINKS:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam250-k-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-on-bracelet-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam236k-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/6866-pa5470-pam236-panerai-luminor-daylight-black-dial-ss-ss-asian-7753-28800bph.html Noob 2010
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=196&P_id=2038&ti= Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+250&product_id=742 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6752 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.p-cls.com/pn23601-236k-daylight-chrono-ssss-black-asian-7753-p-9176.html Noob 2010
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_44.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high levl (H-series H maker colourless AR)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (H-series H maker Blue tint AR)
The PAM 237 is identical to the PAM 088 except with a black seconds@9 sub-dial instead of grey. Due to this plain Black dial it doesn’t get the charisma and appeal of the PAM 088, although PAM 237 is more simple and smart (closer to classic Panerai style).
This watch is nicknamed "The Ghost" because it does not appear in any of Panerai's literature.
ThePAM 237, introduced in 2005 H-series as a Unique Edition of 400 watches. It isa watch with GMT markers in the dial. Panerai changed to inner dial markersfrom 2000 with the PAM 063, before that the PAM 023 and 029 had GMT markers inthe bezel (Explorer type)
Like the PAM 088 it has seconds@9 sub-dial, older models, PAM 023, 029 and 063 have central second hand.
PAM 237 has, like the PAM 088, all silvered and well visible GMT hand, before PAM 088 the models PAM 023, 029 and 063 had a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer was visible.
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.

October 2011- H maker releases a replica of PAM 237 H-series. This production started with Blue tint AR, but H maker introduces soon an upgrade to colourless AR which are First Class reps high Class. Blue tint replicas can be considered as First Class medium level.
If you want the best one, be sure you are buying the new version colourless AR!!.
See a good pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=123698 by tigerwoods
Two good pictorials here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=129366 by Del
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=129946&p=1275617#post-1275617 by Del

PAM 237
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam237-h-h-maker-colorless-ar-edition-on-black-rubber-strap/ Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam237-h-h-maker-edition-on-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12415-pa7580b-pam088-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-7750.html Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12416-pa7590b-pam088-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750.html Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11063-pa6610-pam237-luminor-gmt-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2274&ti= Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2275&ti= Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=PAM+237&product_id=120 Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=8824 Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=10593 Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=8519 Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=8520 Hmaker H Blue AR
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn237h01-237h-ssru-a7750-p-11506.html Hmaker H Colourless AR
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn237h02-237h-ssle-a7750-p-11507.html Hmaker H Colourless AR
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_231.html
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/pam-237-gmt-44-mm-limited-on-400-ex--id1224760.htm
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-237-h-luminor-gmt-400-piece-brad-pitt-ghost-edition-completely-sold-out
**

The gen PAM 239 is a Unique Edition of 75 Pieces created for Chronopassion
The PAM 239 seems a Destro version of the PAM 087, but it is just an appearance. The Pam 087 is a 1000m Sub, with wider bezel, smaller and thicker crystal, Helium valve, heavier case and blue dial.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. This watch has milled unidirectional bezel, the hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. It is an automatic watch, with small seconds @3 and a date window @9 for this Destro version.

PAM 239
REPLICA links:
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1039
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_303.html
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/clone-panerai-pam-194-g-luminor-submersible-automatic-2500m-47mm-titanium-special-edition-10
http://www.essential-watches.com/Panerai-PAM00239-PAM-239-Submersible-CHRONOPASSION-Limited-Edition-Left-Handed-Only-75pcs-made-15061
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (J-series from DSN)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (J-series from H maker)
The PAM 240 released in 2007 is like a version of PAM 104 in brushed Titanium and Brown dial with silver hands. See more related watches in PAM 104.
This watch continues the trend of simple dial started by the PAM 104 in the Luminor Automatic watches line of Panerai. Very interesting combination of Ti, Brown dial, silver hands. It is fitted with the popular movement OP III.
There are replicas from H-maker J-series and from DSN. They all are First Class reps. Some people consider PAM 240J H maker as Super reps, and seeing the below indicated review by Polonus the PAM 240J from H maker is bordering on Super rep grade. The more noticeable flaws are:
-Movement wrongly marked OPVIII (no noticeable due to solid caseback)
-Markers font too thin (the more bothering flaw, more noticeable in 6 marker)
-Wrong shape of lever tip (a little)
-Engravings on the caseback seem to be little too shallow and light compared to gen
You can see a very good review of PAM 240 H maker, indicating pro-cons and magnifical pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=115798 by Polonus

PAM 240
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam240-titanium-brown-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7750/ Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam240-titanium-brown-dial-on-deep-brown-leather-strap-a7750/ Hmaker J
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12210-pa1822b-pam240-luminor-marina-tobacco-brown-dial-ti-ru-asian-7750.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12342-pa7040b-pam240-j-black-h-factory-ti-lt-asian-7750.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+240&product_id=207 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn240j02-240j-tile-a7750-p-12061.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn240j01-240j-tiru-a7750-p-12056.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7124 Hmaker J
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=97944 DSN J
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Titanium%20Automatic%20watches/New%20Born%20Pam%20240J/ DSN J
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_16.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7285&id_categoria=35
**

EVALUATION:
(**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (Noob V1 L-series)
(**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (H maker V1 L-series)
(**) SUPER REP (Noob V2 M-series) (last batches wrongly called “V3”)
(**) SUPER REP (H maker V2 M-series)

The gen PAM 243 1950 case 1000m Submersible was a newly introduced watch for 2006 I-series. The PAM 243 replaced the now discontinued PAM 087 1000m Submersible. The PAM 087 was affectionately referred to as the 'tuna can' because of its sheer weight and thickness. The PAM 243 1950 case of 44mm made of SS feels like it has a more distributed an even-weighted feel as compared to the PAM 087. The PAM 243 is incredibly comfortably, sporty and unique looking and the newly styled ridged rubber sport strap (previously only available on the 47mm sport models like the PAM 194, PAM 187 and Slytech models) is soft and comfortable. It has unidirectional bezel Egiziano style, skeleton hands, automatic movement, small seconds @9, a date window @3 with cyclops and helium valve @9.
First years productions were fitted with Tritium dials, but last years Panerai introduced Luminova dials. Bear in mind that for the replicas L and M series, they should be marked L SWISS MADE L Luminova dials.


- Noob V1 L-series before Mars 2012
- H maker V1 L-series before Sept 2014
PAM 243 L-series were one of the best replicas in the market and the versions either from Noob factory or H maker were very appreciated.
-Noob V1 has better bezel with rounded dot contours (whereas H maker are a bit sharp) and correct 60 rotation clicks, whereas H maker V1 has inaccurate 120 clicks.
-H maker V1 has better crystal with cleaner cyclops
-Noob V1 has some problems with the lug quick-release buttons to change strap. Fixed in last batches.
-People usually think that H maker dial is more accurate than Noob. Maybe Noob has fatter markers but H maker markers are actually thinner and the decision is a taste matter. I personally see more accurate the fat Noob than the thinner H maker markers. H maker inscriptions are al so more inaccurate regarding fonts, with wrong “R” , slightly different “U”, horizontal stroke on “A” placed a bit low and inaccurate Automatic fonts, mainly “a”, although Noob is also inaccurate in this regard but a bit less.
H maker has conserved this old dial on V2 version and you can see below the comparison with Noob dial when we comment the new reps V2 from Noob and H maker. In this way you can judge by yourself.
Despite the flaws above commented these reps are between the best in the market and we can consider them as Super reps bordering lower status.


- Noob V2 M-series (it is possible to see some L-series in V2 Noob version)
From October 2013 many people and even some dealers are calling this rep Noob V3. This is in my opinion a wrong nomination, because there are no improvements to justify a change of name. Just a commercial trick to increase the price.
Mars 2012- In order to compete with H maker, Noob released an improved M-series Noob version V2 with some improvements. This version can be even fitted with Swiss movement (very expensive, it is no worth IMO).
Improvements in relation to Noob V1 version:
-A bit less fat sausage markers although still fatter than gen
-More accurate and flatter bezel pearl
-Correct Cyclops more accurate in size (7mm) and with less “frozen” halo
-Flatter, better polished and flush Cannon Pinion
-Improved placement of L SWISS MADE L inscription closer to “6” marker
-More accurate CG. Better placement of REG. / T.M. engravings, polished and flush CG pin, more accurate lever shape, in roller support and tip, although tip remains still a bit different from gen. Correct chamfered on corners.
-More accurate fonts on bezel 15-30-45 markers
-Better 1000m engraving and better fitting with CG on lever
-Polished tip on lug bars
-Improved polishing and shape of the bezel knurling
-Improved and better polished upper and lower bevelled of bezel, although the bevelled at the bottom is a bit smaller than gen and the upper polished external bevelled is clearly narrower than gen. For me the uglier flaw of this nice rep
See the flaw in the upper external bevelled of the bezel. It is wider in the gen:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/125784-*PCTeam*-Pam-243-Bezel-flaw!?p=1234542 by Rwolf-Better He font and shape of Helium valve
Below links of Puretime and TSwatch have a lot of pics and features of the PAM 243 V2 version:
http://puretime.watch/product/pam243-m-noob-maker-11-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap-v2-eta7750-free-strap-tool/
http://www.ts-station.co/product.php?id_product=11650
You can see very good pics of PAM 243 V2 from Noob in:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/102303-Pictorial-Noob-243-V2-few-macros-for-your-viewing-pleasure-)by babola
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/108784-Panerai-243m-on-Gunny-Paupe by Karesz501
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/142468-PANERAI-Submersible-243M-V2-noob-MEGA-PICS by dordonko
And we have a very good comparison NooV2 –H maker here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/121775-PAM243-Noob-V2-VS-H-factory-!-PICS?p=1197952 by smokiedabong
Some considerations about lume in gen - Noob - H maker here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=118160
There is a False alarm about the inscription DIVERS in caseback. Some people thought that this inscription was DIVER'S, but it is a false alarm, because gen J-series had really DIVER'S inscription but gen L ad M (like the rep have DIVERS like the replica.
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/125772-Noob-PAM243-I-found-one-really-simple-easy-and-dissapointing-tell by korneevy
Interesting mod of lever tip to get it more accurate to gen:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=212194&p=2293709#post2293709 by watchpt
Fantastic pictorial here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/136951-*PCTeam*-Luminor-Submersible-1000M-(PAM-243M)-Photoshoot!?p=1347866 by Del
WARNING and false alarm again ? : In January 2013 taiji has detected some dials of Noob PAM 243 M-series with subdial @9 having shinny concentric circles instead of being matt and with flat surface:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/133001-This-could-be-the-best-PAM243-version by taiji
After that there is another thread dealing about this matter
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/135706-Look-ALE?p=1337195#post-1337195post1337195 by Niek
Starting Mars 2013 an study and interesting investigation by PolonusTM hav established the origin of the matter:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/135706-Look-ALE?p=1337195#post-1337195 by PolonusTM
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/135706-Look-ALE/page2?p=1337778#post-1337778 by PolonusTM
Following Polonus statements:
"Now I know that gen 243 and 299 models HAVE concentric circles on subdials but the amount, viscosity and surface tension of paint layer varies and, most of the times, covers these circles and make them look semi-flat. When You flush gen dial with paint remover, they appear if full galore. They are not stamped but just micro-milled hence circles. Probably all PAM dials with subdials have them like that. So it is paint layer what rep makers get wrong."
The gen and the rep have both a very edged subdial contour, we can say that they are milled in the dial material, because it is impossible to get an edged contour of the subdial by stamping, we need a milled process to get this edged contour.
Therefore the inner surface of the subdials must have a mark of the milling tools like a fine spiral (seemingly concentric circles)
As you said due to the viscosity and surface tension of the paint the milled marks are flattened by the layer of the paint more or less in different way depending on quantity of the paint and also on the characteristics of the paint.
In below pics of two PAMs 243 you can see on the left side a subdial with a thick layer of paint and a minimum circles effect and on the right side a subdial with a thin layer of paint and therefore maximum circles effect.

CIRCLES ON SUBDIAL OF A REP PAM 243

In this way due to the usual differences in the manufacturing process of a replica, we can get from almost completely flat inner subdial surfaces to “textured” surfaces like concentric circles.
Since the gen has seemingly almost flat surface, it is a matter of luck to get an almost flat surface like the gen in our replicas depending on the quantity, viscosity and surface tension of paint. Anyway I can see it s almost no noticeble in most of the cases.
On 11th Mars 2013 Polonus close this discussion getting from P.Clones's Joshua some comparison pics Gen-Rep PAM 299 H maker.
http://imgur.com/a/qUz3G
In these pics we can see that the Gen subdial @9 has circles without doubts, as you can see in below enlarged pic of the gen 299 from Joshua. The subdial of this watch is almost the same as PAM 243 one.

CIRCLES ON SUBDIAL OF A GEN PAM 299-equivalent to PAM 243

Therefore this discussion is closed and no much worries about subdial circles in this PAM 243.
August 2013: watchpt proposes a easy mod to get the reps closer to gen, just making the lever tip more rounded like gen, since all rep versions even Noob V2 has this tip with sharper edges. See below link:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/154961-pam-243-crown-lever-mod by watchpt
In order to see the quality of the details of this rep see the microscopic review pics form zocker4711 in this thread:
Zocker4711 microscopic review here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/171334-PAM243L-Noob-v2-under-Microscope V2 by zocker4711

MICROSCOPIC MACRO PICS OF NOOB V2 REPS (by zocker4711)

September 2013- Noob announced that stopped the production of PAM 243 due to cost problems.
Noob released a last (and so-called "definitive") batch of about 100 units. Please bear in mind that some units of this last batch from Noob have been released without lume at "12" and "6". Please check your purchases and ask dealers for lume pics before shipment
If Noob stops definitely the PAM 243 production the only good alternative will be the H maker version.

October 2013- Noob releases another batch. It seems there are no improvements but an increase of 60$ in price. No better or wider polished edge on bezel and the rest all the same. Some dealers called this batch Noob V3. But no reasons in my opinion because the rep watch is the same as previous versions. Some units even seem having worse CG chamfered edges and more crocked bezel markers. Maybe just a bit more sloppy Quality Control.
At this regard there is a very interesting comparison through microscopical pics by zocker4711 of V2 and so-called "V3", where is clearly shoved they are the same. Maybe seconds subdial @9 has more fine (microscopical) concentric circles and are more covered with the paint, but this would not be a great improvement since V2 well painted doesn’t show circles under naked eye.
Zocker4711 microscopic review here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/171435-PAM243M-Noob-v3-under-Microscope “V3" by zocker4711
Some macros:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/171599-PAM243M-Noob-v3-Cam-Microshots-Addon?p=1730375#post-1730375post1730375 by zocker4711
Nice pictorial with several straps here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/195958-My-Pam243-Noob-and-Straps by PAMISTI91
Therefore there are PAM 243 Noob V2 before October 2013 and after October 2013 (bad called "V3")
By these pics we can also realize the awesome quality of these Noob watches.
Reading above commented features of this last Noob version V2 (V3) of PAM 243 we can say that is a true Super rep with a strong gen-like apperance. It is a shame the narrower polished external upper edge of the bezel. Without this flaw the rep would be almost a gen in appearance and gets an status clearly over the H maker V1 PAM 243.


- H maker V2 M-series
September 2014- Taking advantage of the stopped production of PAM 243 from Noob, H maker released an improved version H maker V2 M-series of rep PAM 243.
H maker has made some efforts to get a rep at the same level of Noob and in some aspects they have got the purpose. Besides H maker has made this watch at very reasonable price.
H maker has improved overall quality of finish getting a great gen-like appearance at the same level as Noob.
CASE- Accurate shape and improved finish in the same level as Noob. V2 version has improved the quick-release lug’s buttons to change the strap.
BEZEL- Accurate overall shape. This rep has improved the horizontal section of bezel knurling and mainly the vertical section of the knurling making the upper and lower bevelled much more accurate and better polished than previous H maker version.
Anyway the upper external polished part of the bezel bevelled, although nicely polished remains narrower than gen.This narrower edge was the main issue of all Noob versions, in H maker this upper bevelled is a bit hit miss: usually it is a bit wider than Noob, always narrower than gen. But I have seen some QC pics and some catalogues with H maker V2 with a bevelled edge almost with the same width of the gen, but usually it remains smaller.
To illustrate above commented, please see the pic of the H maker V2 rep published in below links.
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/274647-My-Pam-243-fromo-ToroBravo by diseno
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=261819&p=2736928#post2736928 by diseno
As you can see in above pics the polished upper external bezel edge has almost the same size as gen edge. It is really nice and gives to the watch an impressive look.
The knurling polishing has improved a lot but I like more the finish and polishing of last Noobs. Bezel rotation has 60 clicks, the same as Noob and gen (previous V1 version had inaccurate120 clicks). Working of rotation is precise and without play. The black minute markers on bezel from 12 to 3 hrs. have been also improved in accuracy and finish at the same level of Noob. H maker V2 has also improved bezel dots markers, they are now really accurate and well polished with rounded edges and raised like gen (even better than Noob). The black numerals 15, 30, 45 of the bezel dots have worse finish than previous version and than Noob, but this could be variable between batches. The pearl is also very good, really improved and at the same level or even better than some Noobs
CROWN GUARD- The CG has improved a lot from V1, the quality is at the same level as Noob regarding shape, finish, lever, CGpin, rounded edges and finish of the “hole”, and it seems than chamfered edges are even better and more uniform than Noob. Nice CG overall.
CASEBACK- Accurate enough with nice and deep engravings, less accurate and less deep than Noob and gen, and with a weird crooked second “S” in SUBMERSIBLE engraving.
CRYSTAL- Nice improvements in this regard. H maker has improved a lot the contour of the date Cyclops, carefully polishing the edges of the loupe and almost avoiding the “frozen” halo almost at the same level as gen and even better than some Noobs (Noob improved this issue a lot in last batches).
CANNON PINION- CP has improved a lot, V2 CP is nicely polished and flat, but I see the contour of the CP a bit rounded, most likely due to it is a cup covering the real CP. I think Noob CP of last versions is better, more credible and flatter although maybe with worse polishing. Anyway, both CP are really good for a rep.
DIAL- The comments about this part will be the more controversial matter of this rep in comprison to Noob dials.
Many people are thinking that H maker PAM 243 dials are better than Noob, but this is not at all true and V2 H maker dial is the same (or almost the same) as V1 version.
The surface and overall finish of both dials are equivalent and really good. Dial layout is very accurate in both reps. Lume and inscriptions colours are also accurate eithr in Noob or H maker.
Sausage lume application of both makers are gen-like and accurate enough.
And now the differences:
Lume dots have accurate shape and lume colour, but H maker dots have more rounded upper surface whereas gen and Noob are flatter.
The main differences are the accuracy of markers and the accuracy of inscriptions fonts.
People usually think H maker markers are more accurate than Noob ones, but if we make some comparisons we can see that Noob are a bit thicker but H maker are thinner and the thickness of Noob is less noticeable than the H maker issue. In bellow comparison pic we can observe than Noob “6” marker is actually thicker than gen, but it seems more accurate than the thinner “6” of H maker. Maybe some people could think that the differences are few noticeable, but never that H maker “6” is better than Noob.

“6” MARKER - NOOB–GEN-Hmaker COMPARISON

Please see in avobe pic that L SWISS MADE L inscription has accurate fonts and position accurate enough in both reps, but H maker inscription is bigger.
H maker “12” marker is even worse, it is clearly thinner than gen, but besides it is smaller, as we can see in below pic.

“12” MARKER - NOOB–GEN-Hmaker COMPARISON

As you can see there is a clear difference between H maker “12” marker and gen one. Noob is a little bit thicker than gen but is clearly more accurate.
Regarding fonts of inscriptions there are interesting differences. The main difference is the “R” font. Gen “R” has a slightly inclined tail, it is a bit curved and at the bottom it has a pointed shape toward the right side. As you can see on below pic, Noob “R” has a tail almost like gen with inclined, curved and pointy bottom tail, whereas H maker “R” has straight, completely vertical and without pointy bottom tail. This is really inaccurate in practice.
H maker “A” has bigger inner triangle, due to the horizontal “A” gen stroke is placed a bit higher than H maker one. Noob is accurate in this regard.
Automatic inscription font is inaccurate in both reps, mainly “a” font, but H maker fonts are a bit narrower and more inaccurate.
In LUMINOR inscription, moreover the “R” font, H maker “U” has the bottom part more rounded than gen and Noob. This is very frequent but few noticeable in practice.

INSCRIPTIONS FONTS – NOOB-GEN-Hmaker COMPARISON

If we observe a good macro pic of Noob dial, we will see that the quality and accuracy of Noob inscriptions is even better that what we can see in above pics. To confirm this matter see above microscopic pics extracted from the macro pics of below link:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/171334-PAM243L-Noob-v2-under-Microscope by zocker4711
Another difference is the glossy appearance of the seconds sub-dial @9. Due to the concentric circles pattern of H maker subdial it takes very glossy appearance in many positions, and you can see that is many pics. Of course, there are many Noob rep with visible concentric circles but for some reason the paint of Noob somehow hides the circles and the glossy effect.
Therefore due to above mentioned reasons we can state that Noob dial is more accurate than H maker.
Reviews by Polonus TM:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/232951-*PCTeam*-Better-later-than-never-small-review-of-H-factory-PAM-243-V2 by Polonus TM
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=254610 by Polonus TM
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/232817-Pam243m-h-maker-factory-better-than-out-of-stock-Noob by Branigg
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=103342 by Branigg
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/211576-Pam-243?p=2293519 y Derik429
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/258895-Pam-243-M-series-from-Noob-or-H by repigator
That said we can conclude that H maker is a very good rep and with a very reasonable price. It looks clear that H maker has not completely improved Noob features, it is superior in some aspects but the dial is clearly inferior.
Anyway H maker V2 is a clear Super rep at reasonable price and a very good alternative for the unavailable Noob. If you are lucky and get a rep H amker V2 with wider upper external polished bezel edge, you will have a rep even with better appearance than the better Noobs.

A very good candidate for a first PAM rep.

PAM 243
REPLICA links:
- Noob V2 (“V3”) M-series
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam243-m-noob-maker-11-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap-v2-a7750/ not available
(**)http://www.ts-station.co/15017-15017.html not available
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+243&product_id=204 not available
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=112 not available

-H maker V1 L-series
(**)http://www.ts-station.co/14599-14599.html
(**)http://www.7750asian.com/pic_show.asp?u=7&pic=PN243b/PN243b8.jpg
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=8969

- H maker V2 M-series
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1540
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2147-pam-243-m-h-maker-1-1-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap-v2.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13017
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13016
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12306
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn243m02-submersible-ssle-p-16927.html
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn243m01-submersible-ssru-p-16926.html

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_27.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/1000m.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=6084&id_categoria=36
11-5

EVALUATION:
(**) SUPER REP ( H maker J-series )

The gen PAM 243 1950 case 1000m Submersible was a newly introduced watch for 2006 I-series. The PAM 243 replaced the now discontinued PAM 087 1000m Submersible. The PAM 087 was affectionately referred to as the 'tuna can' because of its sheer weight and thickness. The PAM 243 1950 case of 44mm made of SS feels like it has a more distributed an even-weighted feel as compared to the PAM 087. The PAM 243 is incredibly comfortably, sporty and unique looking and the newly styled ridged rubber sport strap (previously only available on the 47mm sport models like the PAM 194, PAM 187 and Slytech models) is soft and comfortable. It has unidirectional bezel Egiziano style, skeleton hands, automatic movement, small seconds @9, a date window @3 with cyclops and helium valve @9.
First years productions were fitted with Tritium dials, but last years Panerai introduced Luminova dials. Tritium dials lume has vintage character and ecru-brownish colour that changes over time, becoming darker and more brownish. For replicas J-series dial should be marked T SWISS MADE T tritium dials and have vintage ecru-brownish colour. PAM 243 aged Tritium looks like a warmer version of PAM 243 Luminova


- H maker J-series
July 2015- H maker released a rep of PAM 243 J-series with the good caseset used for H maker V2 M-series and obviously changing the dial for a Tritium-like dial with ecru-brownish vintage lume. Fortunately H maker has not used the same dial base as previous M-series version which had thinner and slightly inaccurate “6” and “12” markers.
Like in V2 M-series, H maker has again made some efforts to get a rep at least at the same level of previous versions and has got IMO an improved rep in relation to H maker V2 M-series.
H maker has used the same caseset from V2 M-series with improved overall quality of finish, getting a great gen-like appearance at the same level as Noob. Even it looks, from the pics I have studied, that H maker has improved a bit more the finish and polishing of the bezel knurling. Unfortunately it seems they have not yet corrected the size of the upper polished external bezel edge which remains narrower than gen.
In relation to the caseset I have almost the same comments as H maker V2 M-series version
CASE- Accurate shape and improved finish in the same level as Noob.
BEZEL- Accurate overall shape. This rep has improved the horizontal section of bezel knurling and mainly the vertical section of the knurling, making the upper and lower bevelled much more accurate and better polished than previous V1 H maker version.
Anyway the upper external polished part of the bezel bevelled, although nicely polished remains narrower than gen. This narrower edge was the main issue of all Noob versions, in H maker this upper bevelled is a bit hit miss: usually it is a bit wider than Noob, always narrower than gen. But I have seen some QC pics and some catalogues with new H maker reps with a bevelled edge almost with the same width of the gen, but usually it remains smaller.
As above commented it looks that knurling polishing has improved in relation to V2 M-series, becoming closer the finish and polishing to last Noobs. Bezel rotation has 60 clicks, the same as Noob and gen (previous V1 version had inaccurate120 clicks). Working of rotation is precise and without play. The same as on M-series, black minute markers on bezel from 12 to 3 hrs. have been also improved in accuracy and finish at the same level of Noob. H maker has also improved bezel dots markers, they are now really accurate and well polished with rounded edges and raised like gen (even better than Noob). The black numerals 15, 30, 45 of the bezel dots have worse finish than previous V1 version and than Noob, but this could be variable between batches.
The pearl is a controversial matter because J-series pearl is really different from M-series one. But this is the same for the gen J-series. If we made a comparison with the gen, the accuracy is really good, as you can see on below comparison pic.

PEARL AND SAUSAGE LUME – GEN - Hmaker (J-series) COMPARISON

To get more info about the gen pearl see another pic from kilowattore in below post:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/247081-*PCTeam*-The-PAM243J!-The-Tritium-Rep-Is-NOT-Dead!!!?p=2342903&viewfull=1#post-2342903

CROWN GUARD- The CG has improved a lot in H maker V2 M-series and J-series, the quality is at the same level as Noob regarding shape, finish, lever, CGpin, rounded edges and finish of the “hole”, and it seems than chamfered edges are even better and more uniform than Noob. Nice CG overall.
CASEBACK- Accurate enough with nice and deep engravings, less accurate and less deep than Noob and gen, and with a weird crooked second “S” in SUBMERSIBLE engraving.
CRYSTAL- H maker V2 M-series and J-series have improved a lot the contour of the date Cyclops, carefully polishing the edges of the loupe and almost avoiding the “frozen” halo, almost at the same level as gen and even better than some Noobs (Noob improved this issue a lot in last batches).
CANNON PINION- Like in V2 M-series CP has improved a lot, it is nicely polished and flat, but I see the contour of the CP a bit rounded, most likely due to it is a cup covering the real CP. I think Noob CP of last versions is better, more credible and flatter, although maybe with worse polishing. Anyway, both CP are really good for a rep.
DIAL-There is a surprise with this rep because, as you can see in the review of H maker V2 M-series, the markers of this version were inaccurate, being “6” thinner and “12” thinner and smaller. PAM 243 H maker J-series has improved the accuracy o the makers fonts and we have now accurate thickness, size and fonts for “6” and “12” markers.
The sausage lume application and the marker fonts are also very accurate with a slim white contour on markers and really raised sausage lume application just like gen. You can see the accuracy I’m talking about in below comparison pic.

“12” MARKER – SAUSAGE LUME – GEN - Hmaker (J-series) COMPARISON

As you can see sausage lume application, white contour and fonts are really accurate, much better than in H maker V2 M-series
The surface and overall finish of dial are really good. Dial layout is very accurate, as the same level as previous versions.
Another improvement added by H maker in J-series is the surface os seconds sub-dial @9. Maybe due to a more appropriate viscosity or thickness of the black paint the glossy appearance the seconds sub-dial @9 has disappeared.
And now the differences:
As previous H maker versions lume dots have accurate shape, but H maker dots have more rounded upper surface whereas gen and Noob are flatter.
Regarding inscriptions the colour is accurate but the fonts are inaccurate, in the same way as H maker V2 M-series.
Therefore, as commented in previous H maker version, H maker J-series “R” has straight, completely vertical and without pointy bottom tail, whereas gen “R” has a slightly inclined tail, it is a bit curved and at the bottom it has a pointed shape toward the right side. “R” fonts are really inaccurate in practice.
H maker “A” has bigger inner triangle, due to the horizontal “A” gen stroke is placed a bit higher than H maker one. Noob is accurate in this regard.
Automatic inscription font is always inaccurate, mainly “a” font, but H maker fonts are a bit narrower and more inaccurate.
In LUMINOR inscription, moreover the “R” font, H maker “U” has the bottom part more rounded than gen and Noob. This is very frequent but few noticeable in practice. We can see the font differences in above comparison pic of “12” marker.
Maybe the more debatable matter of this rep is the lume colour of dial dots, markers and hands. As already commented gen has Tritium lume which the colour ages over time, becoming darker and more brownish with different degrees of change. For some reasons lume of gen dots seems to get more darker than gen markers lume and mainly hands. Gen usually presents lighter colour lume on markers and mainly in hands than lume dots. That could be due to a different gen Tritium lume material used in the production of the gen PAM 243 Tritium. Talking about Tritium lume these differences cannot be considered as a rule, because the aging of this Tritium lume is completely ramdom. Rep lume colour is very similar in hands, markers and dots and quite dark. Rep lume usually is darker and seemingly more “aged” than most of the gens. We could say that the rep has an aging at the limit of darkness in relation to the gen aging. H maker rep lume is really nice and gives to the watch a nice vintage and warm appearance, although I had preferred a lighter colour on markers and mainly in hands. But as above commented aging has no rules and we can consider accurate enough the rep J-series lume colour and, besides, beautiful.
That said we can conclude that PAM 243 H maker J-series is a very nice rep, in many aspects is the same as Pam 243 H maker V2 M-series, but with better dial markers accuracy, closer to gen, accurate pearl and improved appearance of seconds sub-dial @9. In this way H maker J-series overall improves H maker V2 M-series and gets a quality similar to Noob V2 (V3) M-series.
Rep PAM 243 H maker J-series is a clear Super rep at reasonable price and the best alternative for the unavailable Noob. If you are lucky and get a rep H maker J-series with a bit wider upper external polished bezel edge, you will have a rep even with better appearance than the better Noobs.
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/247081-*PCTeam*-The-PAM243J!-The-Tritium-Rep-Is-NOT-Dead!!! by Grimlocktime
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/250657-H-Factory-PAM-243J-Someone-got-it-already-QC-pics-allowed?p=2365617 by PAMaholic
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=255954 by PAMaholic

A very good candidate for a first PAM rep.

PAM 243 J-series
REPLICA links:
- H maker J-series
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1661
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2245-pam243j-h-maker-1-1-ultimate-edition-on-brown-leather.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13722
(**http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13723
http://www.pf-818.com/0140c-p-17988.html

GEN links:
http://shop.analogshift.com/products/tudor-heritage-chronograph
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fsot-panerai-pam-243j-tritium-dial-quick-strap-change-buttons-879930.html
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=301882
http://www.lacotedesmontres.com/Annonce-Panerai-PAM-243-J-Luminor-Submersible-Tritium-Full-Set-No_50760.htm
https://onlyvault.com/watches/panerai-pam-243-luminor-submersible-1950-pam-243-i-tritium-series-16463
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=7130728&rid=0

EVALUATION : LOW GRADE REP
The gen PAM 244 was introduced in 2006 I-series, is a Luminor 40mm GMT, with seconds subdial@9, date with Cyclops @3 and, Black dial with GMT dial 24hrs in the inner contour. It is fitted with a movement OPVIII based in a Valjoux 7750 hidden under a solid caseback. Its case and bezel are made of SS, the case being brushed whereas the bezel is polished.
The watch is very similar to Pam 297 but with 40mm instead of 44mm and with leather strps instead of SS bracelet, ther is another difference because the Pam 244 case is brushed instead of polished. Dial, leaving aside the size is almost the same.
Gen technical details:
Movement:Automatic mechanical, exclusive Panerai OP VIII calibre, 13¼ lignes, 21 jewels, PANERAI personalised oscillating weight. Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 42 hours. Côtes de Genève decoration on the bridges. It is tested and certified by C.O.S.C.
Functions: Hours, minutes, small seconds, date, second time zone.
Case: Diameter 40 mm, brushed steel.
Bezel: Polished steel.
Back: Screw, brushed steel.
Crown Guard: (protected as a trademark) Polished steel.
Dial:Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. 24h indication on the edge. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
Crystal:Sapphire, formed of corundum, 2.5 mm thick, magnifying lens over the date at 3 o’clock. Anti-reflective coating.
Water-Resistance:30 bar (~300 metres).
Strap: PANERAI personalised alligator strap and brushed steel adjustable buckle. Supplied with a tool for changing the strap and a steel screwdriver.

June 2013 - Low grade reps are released fitted with cheap A21J movement. With adjustable GMT hand but non working GMT function.
If possible go to Luminor 44mm versions

PAM 244
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13960-pa13960.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_33.html
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (H-maker)
Thegen PAM 247 Ferretti is very unique and rare! Only 20 units were made!
This watch have the structure of a PAM111 but has Solid caseback with signature Ferretti and a very differentpresentation.
This Special Edition of 2006 I-serieswas created for the Ferretti watch boutique in Italy. It comes on a tan calf strapwith a pre vendom style tang buckle, it also comes with some very coolaccessories. First, you will receive an Italian made Ferretti strap and buckle,it also comes with a belt than matches the watch strap. Last, you will receivea travel watch case that will hold the watch, strap and tools. It comes in ahuge presentation box with all papers.
This is very good and interesting forthe gen, but the rep will be simply a PAM 111 with a hardly credible solidengraved Ferretti Caseback. For this reason we think it is a First Class repBORDERING Super rep statusinstead of a Super rep. Up to you.
Therefore you had better buying anexcellent PAM 111 from Noob or H maker!!

PAM 247
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam247i-ferretti-h-maker-ss-black-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a6497/ Hmaker
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam247i-ferretti-h-maker-ss-black-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-2-a6497/ Hmaker
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12897-pa2260b-pam247-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12895-pa2240b-pam247-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2321&ti= Hmaker
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=PAM+247&product_id=690 Hmaker
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=9936 Hmaker
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=9935 Hmaker
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn247i01-247i-ferretti-p-12768.html Hmaker
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn247i02-247i-ferretti-p-12769.html Hmaker
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6875 Hmaker
GEN links:
http://www.clubpanerai.com/index.asp?notizia=1676&codice=15
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=325432
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=32011252
http://market.watchprosite.com/show-collection.detail/id-17106/mod-/series-%20PAM247*%20PAM247%20-%20Luminor%20Marina%20SE%20for%20Ferretti/p-Panerai%20PAM247*/pi-2717291/ti-452806/t-panerai-pam247-luminor-marina-se-for-ferretti-pam-247-luminor-marina-se-for-ferretti/
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The gen Radiomir 47mm PAM 249 is a Special Edition of 1936 pieces in 2006.
PAM 249 is based in the vintage Panerai from 1936, “3646” model, with the striking "art deco" like California dial showing an unusual combination of Roman and Arabic numerals, it had blued steel hands, this vintage model had solid caseback and Dome Plexi crystal. The PAM 249 has Display caseback, but has the same Dome shaped Plexi type, and has a movement OP X instead of Rolex Cal 318 like the vintage
There are replicas PAM 249 from regular dealers and from DSN, they all are quite good replicas.

PAM 249
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam249-radiomir-1936-california-dial/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11750-pa0420s-panerai-vintage-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=794
http://www.pf-818.com/pn24901-vintage-47mm-radiomir-california-dial-swan-neck-p-1736.html
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=101680 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20radiomir%20steel%2047mm%20watches/Pam%20249H/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_143.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials06.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2006/283-radiomir-1936-pam00249
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower grade (Noob K-series 2010 version)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (Noob K-series 2013 version)
The PAM 250 is the same as PAM 236 but with leather strap
In 2006 I-series was released the second generation of Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm. It is, like the first generation, a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, it conserves also the square type chrono pushers, and again it uses the same completely different movement, the Valjoux 7753 based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds hand, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are very few modifications from the first generation: brushed bezel with tachymeter instead of polished one and a more “clean” dial, only the “12” numeral is conserved and the other numerals are replaced by little sticks markers (or relatively big dots in the white dial version).
There are three models of this second generation of Chronos in 2006, they all with the same structure of all brushed case-bezel with tachymeter and cleaner dial. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the strap: PAM 250 Black dial on Leather strap, PAM 236 Black dial on SS bracelet and PAM 251 White dial on Leather strap.


From about 2007 there are replicas of Daylights with some evolutions (with A7750 and even A7753) until the release of a good series from Noob in 2010 fitted with A7753 and featuring a working date change pusher @10. These replicas had no correct position of DW and change of date started about two hours before midnight.
Good review here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=115959&highlight=236k by bollobandit


July 2013- Noob releases a new generation of Daylight replicas, fitted with an improved A7753, with completely improved DW position (almost the same as gen), working date change pusher @10 but again starting the date change about half past 10 hrs.
These replica 2013 version have several improvements over the 2010 but they have also little worsenings.
To know about these improvements and worsenings, pros and cons of both versions you should consul a complete review of both Noob versions of PAM 250 by ALE.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=154875 by ALE
In this review you can read the difference between both versions and the flaws in comparison to the gen.
Regarding evaluations, Noob 2010 version was already considered a First Class replica. After this review we can see that there are some important flaws considering the level of quality of current PAM replicas. We can establish that it is a First Class replica but bordering a lower status.
Noob 2013 version, following the review, introduced a lot of improvements but has still many flaws and even has introduced some worsenings.
We can evaluate it as a medium level First Class replica, no more
If Noob introduces some improvements like placement of L SWISS MADE L, fonts of Daylight on dial, better accuracy of subdial markers in general (mainly hours counter @6), length of main hands, correct big seconds hand… , since the caseback is closed, we could consider an upgrading to Super rep status or just bordering it.

PAM 250
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam250-k-luminor-daylight-ultimate-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob 2013
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam250k-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob 2010
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/10202-pam250-panerai-luminor-daylight-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html Noob 2010
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=196&P_id=2031&ti= Noob 2010
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+250&product_id=736 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6750 Noob 2010
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn25001-250k-daylight-chrono-ssle-black-asian-7753-p-9174.html Noob 2010
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_42.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=5 906&id_categoria=39
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower status (K-series with A7753 movement)
The PAM 251 is almost the same as PAM 250 but with White dial and 12+dots dial.
In 2006 I-series was released the second generation of Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm. It is, like the first generation, a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, it conserves also the square type chrono pushers, and again it uses the same completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII
It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds hand, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers.
There are very few modifications from the first generation: brushed bezel with tachymeter instead of polished one and a more “clean” dial, only the “12” numeral is conserved and the other numerals are replaced by little sticks markers or relatively big dots in this white dial version.
There are three models of this second generation of Chronos in 2006, they all with the same structure of all brushed case-bezel with tachymeter and cleaner dial. The difference between these models is only the colour of the dial and the strap: PAM 250 Black dial on Leather strap, PAM 236 Black dial on SS bracelet and PAM 251 White dial on Leather strap.

There are replicas before 2010 G-series with A7750 movement, inaccurate date font and window placement and very recessed. Well build reps but just good replicas without pretensions.


September 2010- Noob releases reps of PAM 251 K-series fitted by A7753 have working date adjustment @10, better placement of date window and acceptable date fonts, although both non perfect. Date wheel is less recessed but more tha gen. Dots have thicker contours and some other inaccuracies. Due to a high quality of construction we can consider then as Frist Class rep bordering a lower status

PAM 251
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam251-daylight-white-dial-a7750/ PAM251G A7750
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam251-k-daylight-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob K 2010->
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11641-xfpa3320-pam251-luminor-daylight-chrono-white-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph.html Noob K 2010->
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11642-xfpa3330-pam251-luminor-daylight-chrono-white-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html Noob K 2010->
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2032&ti= Noob K 2010->
(*)http://
www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=PAM+251&product_id=691 Noob K 2010->
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=818 PAM251G A7750
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=6753 Noob K 2010->
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn25101-251k-daylight-chrono-ssle-white-asian-7753-p-9180.html Noob K 2010->
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_43.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/chrono44.html
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The gen PAM252 Luminor North Pole GMT is a 2006 Special Edition watch of which only 500 units were produced. Dedicated to Mike Horn's North Pole Winter Expedition, the objective of which was to travel across the thousand or more kilometers of ice which separate the northernmost part of Russia from the North Pole. This was the North Pole expedition that followed the successful completion of Mike Horn's 20,000 mile circumnavigation of the Arctic Circle in the most extreme and harshest sub-zero conditions (the Arktos expedition with the PAM 186 commemorating it).
The PAM 252 has the looks of Panerai submersible watches, but - although the gen is water resistant up to 300 meters - technically it's not a submersible. Its rotating bezel is not used to calculate submersion time but it functions as a compass aid instead. The letters N,E,S and W are on the bezel to indicate North, East, South and West. The watch can be used to find the north direction by making the hour hand point straight at the sun. Half the angle between the hour hand and the 12 o'clock index. This direction is south! You can then rotate the bezel to that position to keep track of where you're going. It's a nice function but probably more of a gadget than a useful one.
The PAM252 has a solid steel case back with a picture of the polar ice cap engraved and the signatures of Mike Horn and Borge Ousland. The engraving refers to above mentioned Mike Horn's North Pole Winter Expedition
Officine Panerai was an exclusive partner of the North Pole Winter Expedition and they have developed this technically advanced watch especially for the expedition. It has a soft iron inner case to protect the OP VIII automatic movement from the influence of the earth’s magnetic field which is very strong in the vicinity of the North Pole. The watch also has a 24 hour GMT function and a date at the 9 o'clock position.
The 252 has a really nice blue dial which is one of the characteristic features of this nice watch.
The replica has a quite good quality.

PAM 252
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam252-noth-pole-gmt-ultimate-edition/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1175
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1919
http://www.pf-818.com/pn25203-npole-asia-7750-28800bph-functional-p-4164.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_145.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials06.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2006/286-luminor-north-pole-gmt-pam00252
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP (I-series from H maker) (with some restrictions due to inaccurate movement, see comments)
The PAM 253 is like a PAM 212 but with decorated Clou de Paris dial
The PAM 253 is similar to a PAM 286 but “Flyback” instead of “Rattrapante” (PAM 286 has marked with blue the previous five minutes before the starting of the Regatta in the minute counter)
In 2006 I–series Panerai released a Unique Edition of 500 watches PAM 253 to celebrate the Panerai Classic Yachts Challege 2006.
A “Flyback” chronograph can work like a regular chronograph, starting-stopping with the pusher @2 and returning to zero pressing the pusher @4 after stopping with pusher @2.
But this type of chronograph has also this special “Flyback” function, also known as the “retour en vol” or Taylor function, which is very simple to operate. The “Flyback” function is used while the chronograph is running (without stopping by pressing the pusher @2) pressing the return to zero pusher @4, immediately returns the large blued centre hand to zero (we repeat: without having to stop it first) and the hand instantly starts again when the button is released. See Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G8CXrY0rz0&feature=related
The gen PAM 253 features this special technical function by means of the Panerai calibre OP XIX, an automatic movement with a column wheel system controlling the chronograph functions.
The appearance of the “Flyback” function was catalyzed by the first watch with a separate chronograph button (the stop and reset functions were previously controlled by the winding-crown). This watch appeared in 1923 and was developed byBreitling_SA the chronographs have afterwards gained the form which they retained until today. In 1934 the Breitling chronographs received the second chronograph button with the function of returning the seconds hand to zero. Thus it became possible to measure short intervals of time using the add function. However the patent of the “Flyback” chronograph belongs to Longineswith its first “Flyback” chronograph dating back to 1936.
This “Flyback” complication is impossible to get by the replicas and threfore they have False “Flyback” function. Moreover, the Display caseback denounces an, obviously, inaccurate movement. Due to the best versions of these replicas, I-series from H maker have an impressive construction quality, we have classified them as First Class reps, but if we cannot live with such a flaws we should consider them as only very good reps.
You can see a fantastic pictorial of PAM 253 I from H maker here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=124678&p=1222634#post-1222634 by Del
And below another fantastic pictorial
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183365 by gbcn

PAM 253
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam253i-luminor-regatta-flyback-chrono-1951-ultimate-edition/ Hmaker I
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam253-i-ultimate-edition-on-custom-blue-stitched-leather-strap/ Hmaker I
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam253i-luminor-regatta-flyback-chrono-1950-ultimate-edition-on-custom-dark-brown-leathe-strap/ Hmaker I
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12445-pa7870b-pam253-i-h-factory-black-dial-ss-ru-1-1-asian-7750.html Hmaker I
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/7583-pa6850-pam253-luminor-regatta-flyback-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker I
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=1340&ti= 253 I
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+253&product_id=88 Hmaker I
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7125 Hmaker I
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7156 Hmaker I
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn253i01-253i-regetta-flyback-chrono-ssru-2880-p-9600.html Hmaker I
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn253i02-253i-regetta-flyback-chrono-ssle-2880-p-9634.html Hmaker I
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_146.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials06.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=6684&id_categoria=5824
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP (good quality watch - read comments)
The gen PAM 261 comes together in a set of two watches with the PAM 260. The Tarascio two-watch collector's set combines the best of both Panerai case styles and is near-impossible to find. Made in only 25 pieces, this 2006 Unique Edition was created to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the Italian distributor Tarascio. It features a Panerai Luminor Marina, PAM 260 automatic 44mm stainless steel case with a black dial, round hour markers, deployment clasp and date display and is individually numbered as one of only 25 pieces ever made! The set also showcases a PAM 261, 45mm Radiomir with a manual wind mechanical movement, 18K white gold case, black dial with seconds sub-dial @9 and torpedo Black Seal logo, a brown croc strap with 18K white gold tang buckle. This watch is also individually numbered as one of only 25 pieces ever made, the numbers of the two watches matching each other.
From July 2012 there are replicas of this watch, built with the dial of a PAM 292J (with PIG logo) and the case and case back (obviously made of SS instead of White Gold)) of a regular Radiomir PAM 380.
Due to above mentioned the caseback is completely inaccurate and the dial has a wrong L SWISS MADE L inscription.
The Maker has wanted to make another model with the same parts of other watches and it has made a very bad hybrid, with wrong dial and wrong caseback.
Look at this link the gen PAM 261:
http://9maiali.com/product-panerai-pam-780-tarascio-special-set-pam-260-submersible-and-pam-261-radiomir-black-seal-white-gold-se-25-pc/
You can sse the incorrect inscription L SWISS MADE L and the completely wrong caseback, as showed in below pic:

I don't understand the new trend of makers producing such a Hybrids nowadays, when the quality of the replicas and the knowledge of the buyers is at very big level and these Hybrids cannot be accepted by the fans at such a prices.
Another good watch but LOW GRADE replica. The same as PAM 369 recently released!!


PAM 261
REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12758-p451-1070.html
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?P_id=2410&ti=%20%20
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=10566
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn26101-pam261-tarascio-blackseal-p-12502.html
GEN links:
http://9maiali.com/product-panerai-pam-780-tarascio-special-set-pam-260-submersible-and-pam-261-radiomir-black-seal-white-gold-se-25-pc/
**

EVALUATIONS:
(**)SUPER REP ( K-series KW/V6Fac with A7750 decorated like OPIII )
The gen PAM 285 is a Unique edition of 250 units introduced in 2008 K-series. PAM 285 is a Submersible 2500m with 47mm Luminor case 1950 type with solid caseback, both made of brushed Titanium and an impressive unidirectional rotating Diver’s bezel made of brushed SS, with polished big solid metallic numeral markers (with detached numbers) @ 15-30 and 45, other markers are polished big metallic sticks. The contour features a squared knurling, to make easier the rotating function, with nicely polished external faces. The bezel features a pearl @12 hrs. with a metallic polished triangular support. There is also a narrow black circular track between the crystal and the bezel body which shows stick diving markers from 12 to 3 hrs., minute diving markers are brushed SS colour. This track was also used in 2103 for the very well known PAM 364.
Case, bezel, knurling and the overall watch are inspired by the 2004 SUB 2500m PAM 194. In 2004 was also released a SUB 1000m Chrono, PAM 187, which features similar bezel but without diving minute markers from 12 to 3 hrs. and smaller metallic stick markers. In 2010 PAM 358 was also released, it is a similar watch but with destro layout with CG at left side.

Three above commented watches PAM 385-194-358 are Unique Editions of limited quantity, SUBs 2500m with very thick 5,9mm sapphire crystal, the same brushed Ti case and caseback, the same brushed SS diver’s bezel and brushed CG without REG. T.M. engravings. They are fitted with the OPIII movement based on Valjoux 7750 without chrono functions.
The main difference of these watches (leaving aside the destro layout of PAM 358) is the dial. PAM 194 and 358 have 12 and 6 sausage numeral markers and the rest are sticks, regular sausage in PAM 194 and with embossed contours (like in first versions of PAM 087) in PAM 358. Whereas PAM 285 has a dial with 12 and & sausage numeral markers and the rest are dots with chromed circular contours.
This dial is inspired firstly by the old SUBs PAM 024 and 025, and after used in Regatta models and PAM 106,170,199,243,571 and even 616. PAM 285 has seconds subdial @9 and Date window with Cyclops @3.
See below some links to see complete pictorial comparisons of above commented watches
See pictorial comparison of gens PAM 285 vs.194 http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1337792073/Made+for+a+bottomless+tub+...
See pictorial comparison of gens PAM 285 vs.358 http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1340531325/The+Zillas+is+not+a+family+like+all+the+others
See pictorial comparison of reps PAM 285 vs.187 and 364 reps
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?266074-Panerai-285&p=2770233&viewfull=1#post2770233 by tridad

GEN PAM 285 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Automatic mechanical, exclusive Panerai OP III calibre, 13¼ lignes, 21 jewels, PANERAI personalised oscillating weight. Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 42 hours. Côtes de Genève decoration on the bridges. It is tested and certified by C.O.S.C.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, Minutes, Small Seconds, Date, Calculation of immersion time
CASE-Diameter 47 mm, Titanium
BEZEL-l Brushed steel. Anti - clockwise rotating bezel with graduated scale for measuring the duration of immersions and ratchet click at minute intervals.
BACK- Screw, Titanium
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (Protected as a trademark) Brushed Steel
DIAL- Black with luminous Arabic numerals and applied dots. Seconds at 9 o’clock, date at 3 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire crystal formed of corundum
WATER RESISTANCE- 250 bar (~2500 metres)
STRAP- Caoutchouc, Black, 26.2/21.9 mm Standard


- PAM 285 K-series KW/V6Fac with A7750 decorated like OPIII
January2016- KW/V6Fac released the first good rep of PAM 285. The rep is a high quality watch made like the gen in materials and features. The quality of the manufacture is really good and gets a strong gen-like appearance, as you can see in below comparison pics.

PAM 285 – GEN KW-V6Fac OVERALL COMPARISON

As always, there are obviously some flaws, as we will see in this review, but all things considered this rep is fantastic.

CASE
Mid case is made of Titanium in gen and rep, the shape is accurate enough and the finish has a nicely brushed surface like gen.
Only the lugs have a bit different shape because gen lugs have more curved upper profile getting a more eagle beak appearance. Below pic shows the differences.

PAM 285 – LUGS AND CASE SHAPE - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

Regarding colours of the case and bezel there are many polemical comments due to different colours observed by the rep owners. This is not an issue because gen colours are also different. Whatever some gen and rep catalogues or articles say, the case, either gen or rep, is made of Titanium and the bezel is made of SS. This difference of metals produces a different colour between these parts, being the case greyer than bezel.
In the same way the CG body is made of SS but the CG lever is made of Titanium either in gen or rep.
You can see in some gen pics these differences, mainly under some lighting conditions, as you can observe in below gen pics, where the case and the CG lever are clearly greyer. Therefore rep is completely accurate in this regard.

GEN PAM 285 – COLOUR DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BEZEL & CG, MADE OF SS, AND CASE & CG LEVER MADE OF TITANIUM

Rep Helium valve is nicely made and polished with quite accurate He engraving although it is well defined but a bit shallower than gen.

BEZEL
Bezel shape and appearance are very accurate and overall rep bezel is very good with nice finish of brushed body and nicely polished markers.
Bezel has unidirectional rotating which works in the rep the same as gen.
Big stick polished markers of the bezel are really accurate in the rep, just with the same profile and shape of the gen, perfectly fitted with the bezel and with a strong gen-like appearance.
Bezel numeral markers are accurate enough, and overall and at real size there are no noticeable differences. But they are not as perfect as stick markers. Gen markers are not at all perfect and there are some differences in thickness and between batches, but overall they are much more uniform than rep. Gen numerals are better defined and the edges and finish are more uniform. The edges at the bottom, in contact with the bezel surface, are squared and sharp making almost perfect the fitting with the bezel surface. Rep numeral markers are much more inconsistent: thickness is variable between batches and even in the same watch, the overall appearance is less uniform and looks always overpolished. Rep bottom edges are very rounded and they are always bad fitted with the bezel surface. Sometimes rep numerals present gap between their bottom surface and the bezel, mainly in the upper stroke of the “5”. We can see above commented in below pics of the rep markers and bezel.

REP KW-V6Fav PAM 285 – REP. NUMERAL BEZEL MARKERS

See the thickness difference and the bottom edge of the markers, rounded, overpolished and with some gaps with the bezel surface.
Numeral markers fonts are accurate in practice but there are some differences: the inner hole of the “4” is clearly smaller and more round in gen and the rep “30” looks thinner.
Bezel stick markers from 12hrs. to 3hrs. engraved in a black painted track are another inconsistency of the gen. We can see different thickness of the markers in many gen pics, even the stick thickness in the same gen watch is not completely uniform. Obviously the gens have sharper, clearer, and better defined markers and the paint of the track is more smooth, but the rep markers are good enough.
Bezel knurling is very well finished and at the real size is accurate enough as you can see in below comparison pic. The gen is just more uniform and defined and more carefully polished.

PAM 285 – BEZEL KNURLING AND PROFILE - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

Anyway, the differences are not very noticeable at real size, and therefore, bezel accuracy is really good and maker has made a good job

BEZEL PEARL
Due to this is the less accurate part of the rep, bezel pearl deservers a separate section to be reviewed.
There is an advantage for the rep regarding the accuracy of the pearl, because the gen pearl is really inconsistent. There are a lot of gen pearl differences between batches. In effect, we can see many differences of gen pearls just observing gen pics in the websites.
Gen pearl is placed inside a SS polished support with side curved triangular shape. This support has in its center a deep hollow with conical walls where is placed the pearl. The pearl doesn’t usually fill the hollow, but it leaves an space allowing to see the conical walls of the hollow. This space is from almost inexistent to clearly visible leaving a noticeable recessed contour between the pearl and the SS triangular support. You can see a lot of differences seeing gen pics but we can classify the gen pearls in two types:
-Gen pearls of big size, almost filling the hollow with small contour. The pearls are almost covering the hollow conical walls. Pearl upper surface come from flat to a bit convex shape. Below pics show this gen pearl type.

GEN PAM 285 BIG PEARL WITH SMALL CONTOUR COVERING THE SUPPORT HOLLOW

-Gen pearls of small size that don’t cover the hollow, and leave a big recessed contour around the pearl. These pearls allow to see the conical walls of the hollow and look very detached from the support. Pearl upper surface come from flat to a bit convex shape. Below pics show this gen pearl type.

GEN PAM 285 SMALL PEARL WITH BIG AND RECESSED CONTOUR NOT COMPLETELY COVERING THE SUPPORT HOLLOW

Rep pearls are, more or less, like the first type: big pearls almost filling the support hollow. Usually rep pearls are filling more the hollow, leaving smaller contours and they usually are flatter than gen pearls, as showed in below pics.

REP PAM 285 PEARLS - BIG PEARL ALMOST COVERING THE SUPPORT HOLLOW

We can see pearls with contours from little to almost inexistent, and from completely flat to slightly convex
Somehow we can say that rep pearls are accurate in relation to the first type of the gen. The most accurate would be the rep more convex pearls and with the wider contours, as showed in the first pics of above showed. Being the last ones the less accurate of them.
Lume colours is slightly green in gen and rep and it is accurate enough.

But the less accurate part of the pearl is the triangular support (as happened in the rep PAM 364 Noob). Gen support has a equilateral triangular shape with clearly curved sides. Rep support has also a triangular shape but only with the upper side curved, lateral sides are completely straight. Besides the upper side is smaller in rep giving to the rep support an isosceles triangle shape (and noticeable appearance) instead of equilateral. Below pics show the difference between gen and rep triangular support. I have placed the gen triangular support contour in orange over the rep support and, in this way, you can clearly notice the differences: smaller upper side and completely straight lateral sides.

PAM 285 – PEARL TRIANGULAR SUPPORT DIFFERENCES - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

Above pic is also valid to prove the accuracy of some rep pearls with small contour and slightly convex upper surface.
At real size and seeing the watch as a whole, pearl differences are not as noticeable as we can see with detailed comparison and enlarged pics. Therefore, pearl accuracy is enough and maker has made a good job

CROWN AND CROWN GUARD
Rep crown is accurate but, as always, not as well finished and polished as gen.
Rep Crown Guard is accurate and almost as nicely finished as gen, but gen CG has in general more rounded and softer edges.
Chamfered corners are not made as uniform as gen and present some differences but at real size are accurate enough.
CG lever is made of Titanium like gen and has greyer colours than the CG body. Lever shape and tip are accurate and there are no noticeable differences with the gen.
CG and Crown is a good job from the rep maker.

CRYSTAL
Gen is a very thick sapphire of 5,9mm in order to support 2500m of depth with single inner AR coating. Rep crystal has the same appearance as gen, it is sapphire and the AR looks really good. Indeed some people think that rep has double AR. I have not removed the rep crystal and I have not checked the rep AR, but the rep crystal is very similar to the gen and its overall appearance is really good. The date cyclops looks nice and without “frozen” halo. Therefore accurate enough and no worries in this regard

DIAL
DIAL SURFACE- No problems whit a black and flat dial. Very accurate
DIAL LAYOUT- Layout is almost perfect without no noticeable flaws, as you can see in below comparison pics.

PAM 285 – DIAL AND FRONT VIEW - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

DOT MARKERS- Rep dots have accurate contour and size, but they look a bit flatter than gen which shows more convex dome. The lume could be a bit greener but few noticeable without side by side comparison.
NUMERAL MARKERS- Rep markers are very accurate. Like in dot markers, the lume could be a bit greener but few noticeable without side by side comparison.
DIAL INSCRIPTIONS- Very accurate in general. No noticeable flaws.
DATE- accurate date window and date fonts
SECONDS SUBDIAL @9- Overall accurate with sharp and clean markers and dots. Maybe a bit less recessed than gen, only noticeable under the loupe.
Therefore the dial is maybe the best part of this watch. Really accurate and well made, very gen-like

HANDS AND CANNON PINION
Rep hands have accurate shape but as always they are less flat and uniform than gen, they have less sharp and defined contours. Gen hands lume is whiter in relation with the markers lume but rep hand lume is the same as in markers. A bit of job for modders.
Rep CP is maybe a bit bigger but few noticeable, perfectly polished, flattened and very gen-like.

PAM 285 – HANDS AND CANNON PINION - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

CASEBAK
As we can see in below comparison pics, rep caseback is overall the same as gen a tad less deep engravings but fonts and layout are almost the same. We can see some differences in the fonts of K XXX/250 production number. Very nice job from the maker

PAM 285 – CASEBACK - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

MOVEMENT
Gen is a Panerai OP III calibre based in a Valjoux 7750, with PANERAI personalised oscillating rotor and bridges.
Rep movement is based in a rep A7750 with the same gen decoration. As you can see in below pics, the rep decoration looks like the gen, but it is rougher and less nicely made. Golden inscriptions are much less clean and the colour is yellowish instead of golden.
The biggest flaw is a mistake in the lettering because rep says 21 JEWELE instead of 21 JEWELS as showed in the pics
Since the caseback is closed, above details are interesting but not very important regarding accuracy in the hand.

PAM 285 – MOVEMENT - GEN - KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

CONCLUSIONS
KW-V6Fac have made a very good job with this rep.
Leaving aside the lug shape and the support of the pearl, few noticeable under the nuked eye and without a detailed side by side comparison, the rep is almost perfect and made like the gen.
This is one of the best PAM SUB ever repped and we can consider it a new Super rep and a very good choice for a PAM SUB 47mm

More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=266074 by Very Little Gravitas
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/298853-Need-help-PAM-285-amp-Good-morning by skapi

PAM 285
REP links:
K-series KW-V6Fac W/ A7750 decorated like OP III
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOHstkIcdDU&feature=youtu.be
http://www.kuvarsitwatch.co/panerai/submersible/1-1-kw-pam285-luminor-submersible-47mm-best-edition.-p.9000-movement../
http://puretime01.com/pam285-k-titanium-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-a7750.html
http://www.tswatch.club/18315-pa18315-pam285-k-v6f-1-1-best-super-copy-titanium-ru-a7750_439e78a43d4a739cfa47f945bcb0b8a9.html
http://www.tswatch.club/18402-pa18402-pam285-k-v6f-1-1-best-super-copy-titanium-ny-a7750_e2adf45160ae4d9f66018a0f6e2c839e.html
http://www.torobravos.xyz/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1985
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2669-pam285-k-ss-v6-best-edition-on-rubber-strap-p9000.html
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=14383
http://www.pf-818.com/-p-18875.html

GEN links:
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/special-editions/2008/luminor-submersible-2500m---47mm_pam00285.search.html?search=285&case=0&movement=0&function=0&casediameter=0&material=0&color=0&setTop=setTopSearch
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1315331588/pam+194++or++pam+285++whats+your+choice+-+(barryryan7)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/265104/thread/1240688262/PAM+285+VS+PAM+194+PICTURE+COMPARISON..ENJOY!
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&th=2240727&rid=0
http://www.watchprosite.com/?page=wf.forumpost&fi=712&ti=566886&pi=3506806
http://www.network54.com/Forum/611718/thread/1371048992/1/FS-+8+discounted+panerai's+285,+127,+382,+64,+87,+10,+106+and+312+(pthorpe)
http://www.mywatchmart.com/listing/29172-fs-panerai-pam-285-k-luminor-submersible-ti-47mm-special-editionmint-amp-priced-lowmdash-ton-of-pics/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1340531325/The+Zillas+is+not+a+family+like+all+the+others
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1242103590/PAM+285
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/pam-285---47mm---prof-diver-2500m--id2694092.htm
https://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-285-k-luminor-1950-submersible-2500m-47mm-titanium-special-vip-ghost-edition-ony
http://www.watch-collections.com/home.jsp?productId=24&title=Panerai+PAM+285
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (H maker)
The PAM 286 is a PAM 213 but with decorated Clou de Paris dial
The PAM 286 is similar to PAM 253 but “Rattrapante” instead of “Flyback” (PAM 286 has marked with blue the previous five minutes before the starting of the Regatta in the minute counter)
In 2007 J–series Panerai released a Unique Edition of 500 watches PAM 286 to celebrate the Panerai Classic Yachts Challege 2007.
A "Rattrapante","split seconds","double chronograph” or “doppelchrono” has two seconds hands, one hand is superimposed over the other. When you start the chrono, by pressing pusher @2, both hands start together, but when they are running, if you press the “Rattrapante” pusher @8, you stop the lower second hand, while the other continues running. If you push again the pusher @8 the lower hand catches up the hand which is running and they continue together again, if you push another time the lower hand stops again and the upper continues running, and so every time you repeat the pushing. See Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUSvi1oOaZg&feature=related
The gen PAM 213 features this special technical by means of the Panerai calibre OP XVIII, an automatic movement with a double column wheel system controlling the chronograph functions.
This “Rattrapante” complication is impossible to get by the replicas and threfore they have False “Rattrapante” function and even a completely false pusher @8. Moreover, the Display caseback denounces an, obviously, inaccurate movement, even more inaccurate than in the case of the “Flyback”. Due to the best versions of these replicas have an impressive construction quality, H maker J-series, we must to classify them as First Class reps, but bordering a lower status. If you cannot live with such a flaws we should consider them as only good reps.
See a nice pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184914 by Buddhabar


PAM 286
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam286j-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap/ Hmaker J
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam286j-ultimate-edition-on-custom-dark-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker J
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam286-j-ultimate-edition-on-custom-blue-stitched-leather-strap/ Hmaker J
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12457-pa7970b-pam286-j-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker J
http://www.tswatchltd.com/7639-pam286j-panerai-luminor-regatta-black-dial-ss-lt-walnut-asian-7750-28800bph.html Hmaker J
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2153&ti= Hmaker J
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+286&product_id=174 Hmaker J
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7220 Hmaker J
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=7221 Hmaker J
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn286j01-286j-regetta-ratt-chrono-ssru-28800-p-9716.html Hmaker J
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn286j02-286j-regetta-ratt-chrono-ssle-28800-p-9714.html Hmaker J
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_147.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7312&id_categoria=7295
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-286-j-luminor-1950-regatta-rattrapante-chronograph-2007-special-edition-only-500
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (K-series from H maker)
The PAM 288 is similar to PAM 214 but it is not a Rattrapante Chrono and has Solid caseback instead of 214 Display caseback.
The gen PAM 288 started in 2007 J-series, hopefully belongs to a line of regular production chronographs in Radiomir cases, this combination of case and complications having previously been confined to special editions. The gen PAM 288 is a Radiomir conventional Chrono, using the well known Chrono movement OP XII (Valjoux 7753 based).
All the reps PAM 288 seem to have the movement wrongly marked OP XIX, this OP XIX movement is only for the 1950 Flyback Chronos PAM 212 and 253. Fortunately they have Solid caseback.
Since the PAM 288 caseback is Solid (even the gen movement OPXII is Valjoux based) the external accuracy of this rep is very good. Therefore the replicas of PAM 288 are one of the best in the market and we can consider them as Super reps. There are versions with genuine (?) croco straps but quite more expensive and with the same movement flaws, up to you.
See a good pictorial of this rep here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam288k-review-photodump-125499?p=1230546 by spdu4ia
Another pictorial of a Franken 288:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=127527&p=1259879#post-1259879 by Hasselbaink


From July 2012 - there is a rep version K-series made by “other factory” (following Puretime words) fitted with Seagull ST19 modified with autowinding module, but the movement is also wrong marked OP XIX like A7750 version.http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=179270
This ST19 version has several flaws as follows:
- The position of chrono pushers is wrong. They are closer than gen and the current A7750 replica. You can see the position marked in blue lines. A7750 replica is correct.
- The tip of the canon pinion of sub-dials is black instead of silver like gen and A7750 replica
- The Crown Tube is much longer than gen and A7750 replica. Marked with purple lines.
- The side position of the Crown is much higher than on gen and A7750 replica.
- The sharp ends of the case are not as sharp as on gen and A7750 replica
- The AR is a little bluish. See the pics on Puretime and Timeshops catalogues.
- The distance between sub-dials is shorter in ST19 replica than in gen and A7750 replica. See marked in green the distance "A" in ST19 replica and the difference in gen and A7750 replica
- The LUME in hands is WIDER in ST19 rep than in gen. But in A7750 rep is almost the same (a bit wider) as gen.
- The lume in ST19 goes farther to the hand arrow
- The hand arrow in ST19 rep is sharper
- In ST19 rep the tachymeter font is lower than in gen and A7750 rep
Due to above mentioned reasons we cannot consider this ST19 version either as Super rep or as First Class rep despite the good construction quality and the good movement, just as a Good replica, only advisable if you don't like A7750. See:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=115353 by ALE
If you are looking for a Radiomir Chrono the best choice would be A7750 version Super rep PAM 288 K.
Pictorial review here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=32338
An interesting review, purchase guide and pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=160184&p=1607843#post-1607843 by MoreCowBell
Very good candidate for a first PAM replica


PAM 288
REPLICA links:
Low grade replica- good watch)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam288-k-11-best-edition-st19/ (Seagull ST19 mvmt)
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam288k-ultimate-edition/ Hmaker K
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12543-pa8580fo-pam288-k-2012-update-version-lt-a7750.html Hmaker K
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12544-pa8590fo-pam288-k-2012-update-version-lt-a7750.html Hmaker K
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2067&ti= Hmaker K
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+288&product_id=546 Hmaker K
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2184-pam288k-h-factory-best-edition.html Hmaker K
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=10565 Hmaker K
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn28802-288k-radiomir-chrono-ssle-black-a7750-chrono-p-9423.html Hmaker K
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_54
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7313&id_categoria
**

The gen PAM 289 is a version of the PAM 233 but made of Rose Gold and with Brown Sandwich dial instead of black like the 233. This watch was released In 2007 J-series.
PAM 289 is fitted with an in-house “Manifattura” movement, the hand-wound mechanical calibre P.2002/1.The movement has an eight days power reserve.
It has the cushion shaped 1950 case and the domed crystal. Panerai included a few interesting complications in the movement, a horizontal power reserve indicator (knows as "the fang"), a second time zone (GMT) including an AM/PM dot inside the sub seconds dial, a date and a seconds reset function that allows you to accurately set the time. It is fitted with a sapphire Display caseback and Brown Sandwich dial.
The silver GMT second time zone hand rotates once every 12 hours. The fact that the second time zone hands moves along with the hour hand makes it very easy and natural to tell the time in the other time zone. This GMT function is much better than the 24 hour GMT function of for instance the PAM88. It's also nice that you can hide the second time zone hand behind the hour hand when you don't need it, which again results in a much cleaner looking dial.
The gen PAM 289 has a special Panerai “Manifattura” movement P.2002/1, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. Please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
There are cheap replicas fitted with A23J movement and relative good quality with working Power Reserve indicator.


PAM 289
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/new-arrival-pam289-rg-lite/
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=1322&ti=
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=3452
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_54&products_id=3686
http://www.pf-818.com/0000pn28901-days-rgru-black-asian-p-5213.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_56.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7290&id_categoria=5784
**

These are replica versions made of Black Sandblasted Ceramic like gen

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (M-series from H maker)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (K-series H maker, see below comments)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (J-series H maker V1 before 2015)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (J-series Noob)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (J-series and N-series H maker V2 -2015)
WARNING (N-series Noob) see below comments about dial
The gen PAM 292 is similar to PAM 183 but made of Black sandblasted finish Ceramic instead of polished SS and fitted with solid caseback. It seems more similar to the PAM 380 but this last watch has a very different Logo Sausage dial instead of conventional Sandwich dial.
The gen Black Panerai Radiomir PAM 292 was first introduced in 2007 and it is now slowly making its way to the lucky few on the waiting lists. As opposed to other earlier black Panerai watches - like the Pre V 202/A and 203/A, the PAM 4,9,26, 360 and 195 - this Radiomir is not a PVD coated watch. Its case is Ceramic.
Ceramic is about five times harder than stainless steel and as a result much less prone to scratches. The new Ceramic watches are Panerai's solution for a much more reliable product. But the production process of ceramic watches is much more complicated and time consuming - mainly because the material is so hard. The cases are not molded, but made by machining. This is most likely why it has taken quite long for the first watches to be delivered to their owners. But, it's worth the wait.
There is another interesting detail about this Black Seal. Although the watch is not a Special Edition, the 2008 run does no longer have the little submarine SLC torpedo with two frogman riders- often referred to as the "pig"- on the dial. This seems to make the 2007 J-series a very collectible watch. The J-series is limited to 1000 pieces and another 1500 pieces will be made for the K-series (2008). The gen PAM 292 is part of the Panerai “Historic” Radiomir models, it has a Sandwich black dial in a cushion shaped Radiomir black Ceramic case 45mm, with detachable wire lugs with, seconds@9 sub-dial, Solid caseback and movement Panerai OP XI calibre, ETA based, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.


These replicas Full Black Ceramic version of PAM 292 K are made of real Black Ceramic and with sandblasted type finish very close to the gen. Sometimes this replica is even sold cheaper than the equivalent in Black PVD SS.
Be careful because some replicas from K-series H-maker had a very serious issue with an incorrect glue being used causing the case to split apart and making the lugs useless. Maker fixed this issue in the following models (thanks info from AHX).
However, one of our watchsmiths (Wiz in France) has sourced the correct compound for sticking ceramic to SS and can perform the repair should it be needed (thanks info from Bonesey)
We can consider the Full Ceramic K-series as First Class rep medium level (be careful with the above mentioned issue), and the Full Ceramic M-series from H maker as a First Class rep bordering Super Rep status, IMO these replicas are surpassed by new generation of J-series.


July 2012- H maker introduced a version J-series, therefore with the “pig” pressed out in the dial, that we can consider directly as a First Class rep. bordering Super rep status.
PAM 292-J-series H maker mini Review and pics here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=110507 by PolonusTM (it contains info about the Noob J-series too. See below)
Pictorial and review:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=228530 by tris1066

July 2012 -Noob also introduced a version J-series, threfore with the “pig” pressed out in the dial, that we can consider Super rep. This replica comes with ceramic crown, which could seem inaccurate since the first gen J-series came with SS PVD coated crown, but really the last gen J-series came with ceramic crown. For this reason Noob has decided starting the rep PAM 292 J-series with Ceramic crowm. Noob says that it is using a very good quality ceramic and process to make the case. Therefore this replica could be the best PAM 292 in the market, but it is expensive. Be careful with the ceramic crown because it will be fragile.
The Noob version is way more expensive but, following the fantastic thread of comparison by Torobravo, it seems that PAM 292J Noob is better than PAM 292J H-maker (except perhaps the PIG logo, see comments and comparison below).
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=111846 by Torobravo
A good pictorial and mini-review of Noob J-series here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=34464 by pmcclean18
Nice pictorial of H maker J-series here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=45790 by Randy C
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=135691 by randychuah
More information here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=180267 by Angus of Puretime
Pictorial and little review with PIG logo comparisons here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=113115 by TastyTreats
Nice and useful mod. reducing length of crown tube to get it similar to gen:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170723&p=1721131#post-1721131 by kostas
At this moment the problem is to know if it is worth the difference of price between the Noob and H maker version. Since the case semms very similar (very difficult to know about the material quality)
For information you can see too a comparison between 292 K H maker and 292 J series Noob:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=117789 by ericb196.
WARNING: There is a replica from H maker with a very inaccurate dial. See link:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/12372-pa7240b-pam292-m-h-factory-black-ceramic-casing-1-1-asian-6497.html.
This replica is announced as ULTIMATE 1:1 BUT HAS A VERY INACCURATE DIAL WITH "OP" LOGO. BE CAREFUL !!!

August 2012- Noob introduced the V1 N-series (therefore, without logo) and we can make for this version the same comments as J-series but leaving aside the comments related to the PIG logo.
WARNING: Before purchasing this rep N-series Noob V1, bear in mind a dial issue, because the inscription PANERAI is under the gen position. Read more here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=112929 by ALE


April 2013- Noob released the N-series V2 triyng to fix the PANERAI position issue, but this new version has still the PANERAI in a little low position. Threfore we cannot give to this replica a good evaluation, since it has an evident dial issue.
Read and see:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1397916&postcount=9 by ALE

January 2015- after a long period without Noob Pam 292 J-series in the market, H maker releases a new ceramic improved version H maker V2 of this replica.
H maker makes two versions: J-series with PIG and N-series without PIG. Series in Dealers catalogues are very bad specified and there are many mistakes, confusing PIG with No PIG version, wrong descriptions and mixing pics. It is advisable when purchasing to assure you are getting the version you want before shipment.
H maker uses the same dial as previous versions with the “6” marker a with less rounded than gen (few noticeable) and the same inscription, with worse fonts and less raised print than Noob, but the case seems improved regarding finish without flaws in the joining between mid case and bezel and with the crown made of ceramic like Noob version. This replica doesn’t achieve the quality of Noob, since the case is not at the same level and the dial has not the quality and accuracy of Noob dial. Anyway an interesting choice since Noob is not available at the date of the H maker release. We can evaluate H maker V2 as Super rep bordering a lower status.
More info here
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=205834&p=2076863 by shelby1501
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=247953 by 481609
Nice pictorial by Gazzla
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=97332 by Gazzla

A good candidate for a first PAM replica


PAM 292
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-j-pig-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob J
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-j-pig-11-noob-best-edition-on-brown-asso-leather-strap/ Noob J
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-m-hf-on-hand-stitched-tan-leather-strap-/ Hmaker M
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-k-hf-on-thick-stitched-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker K
(Warning)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-n-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob N V1
(Warning)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-n-v2-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-dial-updated/ Noob N V2
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16104-pa16104-pam292-j-v2-perfect-torpedo-black-seal-a6497.html Hmaker N-series non-PIG 2015 version. (TSW catalogue wrongly indicates J-series)
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16103-pa16103-pam292-j-v2-big-perfect-torpedo-black-seal-a6497.html Hmaker J-series V2 PIG 2015 version
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12635-xfpa292-pam292-j-noobfactory-best-1-1-version-ceramic-asian-6497.html Noob J
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12212-pa0463b100-pam292m-radiomir-black-seal-black-ceramic-casing-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/10311-pam292-panerai-radiomir-black-seal-black-dial-ceramic-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker K
(Warning)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12372-pa7240b-pam292-m-h-factory-black-ceramic-casing-1-1-asian-6497.htmlTHIS LINK IS A HMAKER WATCH ANNOUNCED AS ULTIMATE 1:1 BUT HAS A VERY INACCURATE DIAL WITH “OP” LOGO. BE CAREFUL
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2869&ti= Noob J
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1346 Hmaker N-series non-PIG 2015 version. (Toro’s catalogue wrongly indicates M-series)
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1345 Hmaker J-series V2 PIG 2015 version
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+292&product_id=605 Noob J
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+292&product_id=599 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+292&product_id=80 Hmaker M
(Warning)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+292&product_id=772 Noob N V2
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1831 Hmaker N-series non-PIG 2015 version.
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1830 Hmaker J-series V2 PIG 2015 version
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=110 Noob J
(Warning)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=935Noob N
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12862 Hmaker J-series V2 PIG 2015 version
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=9691 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=9649 Hmaker J
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=10592 Hmaker M
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=8586 Hmaker K
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn292j01-radiomir-blackseal-celle-p-16772.html Hmaker J-series PIG 2015 version
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn292j03-292j-blackseal-cerl-p-12434.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn292j01-292j-blackseal-cerl-p-12436.html Hmaker J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn292m01-292m-cerle-a6497-p-11411.html Hmaker M
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn292k01-292k-cerle-asian-6497-superlume-p-10221.html Hmaker K
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_13.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7284&id_categoria=3205
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These are replica versions made of SS Brushed PVD coated Matt Black finish.

The gen PAM 292 is the same as PAM 183 but made of Black sandblasted finish Ceramic version.
The gen Black Panerai Radiomir PAM 292 was first introduced in 2007 and it is now slowly making its way to the lucky few on the waiting lists. As opposed to other earlier black Panerai watches - like the Pre V 202/A and 203/A, the PAM 4,9,26, 360 and 195 - this Radiomir is not a PVD coated watch. Its case is Ceramic.
Ceramic is about five times harder than stainless steel and as a result much less prone to scratches. The new Ceramic watches are Panerai's solution for a much more reliable product. But the production process of ceramic watches is much more complicated and time consuming - mainly because the material is so hard. The cases are not molded, but made by machining. This is most likely why it has taken quite long for the first watches to be delivered to their owners. But, it's worth the wait.
There is another interesting detail about this Black Seal. Although the watch is not a Special Edition, the 2008 run does no longer have the little submarine SLC torpedo with two frogman riders- often referred to as the "pig"- on the dial. This seems to make the 2007 J-series a very collectible watch. The J-series is limited to 1000 pieces and another 1500 pieces will be made for the K-series (2008). The gen PAM 292 is part of the Panerai “Historic” Radiomir models, it has a Sandwich black dial in a cushion shaped Radiomir black Ceramic case 45mm, with detachable wire lugs with, seconds@9 sub-dial, Solid caseback and movement Panerai OP XI calibre, ETA based, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.
This replica is made of SS Black PVD coated instead of Black Ceramic and the finish is not like the gen. Sometimes, this replica is even sold more expensive than the equivalent made of Full Ceramic. We must say that PVD version is not at all an advisable purchase and we should go to the Full Ceramic version in every case.


PAM 292
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam292-brushed-pvd-finish/ 292 SS+PVD coating
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11748-pa0400s-panerai-radiomir-black-seal-black-dial-pvd-lt-asian-6497.html 292 SS+PVD coating
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=3699 292 SS+PVD coating
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_13.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7284&id_categoria=3205
**

The gen Radiomir 47mm PAM 294 is a very Special Limited Edition of 49 pieces from year 2010 M-series, with a stunning dark antique brown dial and Dome Plexi crystal. It is, very similar to PAM 232 but with Dome Plexi crystal and Display casebak like the PAM 021.
There is a saga starting in vintage Panerai ”3646” following with PAM 021-PAM 232-PAM 294 and finishing with Luminor PAM 390 as follows:
PAM 232 is based in the vintage Panerai from 1938, “3646” model, with Brown Sandwich dial 12-3-6-9 numerals and sticks and gold hands. This vintage model had solid caseback and Dome Plexi crystal, the PAM 232 has solid caseback too, but has sapphire crystal without dome and has a movement OP X instead of Rolex Cal 318 like the vintage
Before PAM 232, Panerai released the PAM 021 (year 1997, Special Edition of 60 watches) seemingly the same watch, but actually very different because it is made of Platinum, has Display caseback and movement Rolex Cal 618 like the original vintage Panerai watch.
Therefore the PAM 232 is a modern SS version of the PAM 021 made of Platinum. They have very similar Brown Sandwich dial with gold hands, but some experts say that the colour and nuances of the PAM 021 are way better than in the PAM 232.
In 2010 Panerai released the PAM 294, of which we are talking here.
Nowadays in 2011 Panerai has launched a 2000 pieces Special Edition of PAM 390 in case Luminor with solid caseback but with a design and dial based in the vintage 3646, the PAM 232 and PAM 021.
The gen PAM 294 has very special marks and it is important when we are talking about the replicas. The OP number is a new number special for it: OP6675, there is the sentence “OPUS FACERE” engraved in the case between the holes of the detachable wire lug @12, and the brand “PANERAI” engraved in the case in the opposite place @6.
The replica of PAM 294 is an exclusive from DSN catalogue, it has a very exaggerated Dome shape in the Plexi crystal, but it have all correctly engraved information and is a beautiful and quite good rep.


PAM 294
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=64288 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20radiomir%20steel%2047mm%20watches/Pam%20294H/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-294-m-radiomir-special-boutique-limited-edition-only-49-pieces-47mm-stainless-st
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1281786913/Pam294+SE+total+49+units
**

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (O-series from Noob and H maker)
The PAM 297 has the same structure as PAM 228 but has a Black dial instead of Blue and a SS Bracelet instead of Rubber
The gen PAM 297 is a GMT 2008 K-series with GMT markers in the dial. Panerai changed to inner dial markers from 2000 with the PAM 063, before that the PAM 023 and 029 had GMT markers in the bezel (Explorer type)
Like the PAM 088 it has seconds@9 sub-dial, older models, PAM 023, 029 and 063 have central second hand.
PAM 297 has, like the PAM 088, all silvered and well visible GMT hand, before PAM 088 the models PAM 023, 029 and 063 had a semi-illegible GMT hand, on which only the arrow pointer was visible.
Like all GMT it has skeleton main hands.
There are cheap replicas fitted with A2813 movements and quite good replicas fitted of A7750, but their quality doesn’t get the level of other GMT Panerai reps. Furthermore, the SS bracelet has quite poor quality than the gen one. So, if you are looking for a Panerai GMT it would be better go to other models like PAM 063 or 237 or better to PAM 088 or 029.


July 2013- Noob releases a PAM 297 O-series (using the dial structure of new PAM 088 and the case and bracelet of the magnificent PAM 299 K-series) with improved cyclops and the same good quality of CG as last Noob releases.
Therefore, we can see that this version get some improvements from V3 Noob case application (mainly almost perfect CG) and, besides, new improvements from last releases 2013 of Noob O-series (PAM 088-104 and 297) as follows:
-More accurate beveled in crystal
-Improved frozen halo in cyclops, although still existent
-Colourless Cyclops
-Improved bevelled on crystal
-Better shape of roller support in CG lever
-"Slim" Crown
Seeing the quality of this replica we can assure that this new Noob PAM 297 O-series is a new Super rep.
More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210558 by bclaud
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210723 by chungdy


September 2013- H maker releases a PAM 297 O-series to compete with Noob O-series. It has also improved crystal and Cyclops and extremely flat and good lume application really gen-like.
We can see more info in the review as follows by Polonus:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-quick-review-158869?p=1593381 by PolonusTM
H maker Caseback is really impressive, crystal and dial seem very good with an almost perfect lume very gen-like, Case, bracelet and bezel finish are very nice.
The only disappointment of Hmaker version is the CG. It really is not at the level of the rest. Not only inner corners are rounded it has also rounded inner edges. Anyway at real size all will improve
Comparing H maker and Noob, I would consider to compensate the possible better lume and crystal with a worse CG.
In any case two true Super reps at similar level of quality
If you like bracelets PAM 297 O-series Noob or H maker is a good candidate for a first replica


PAM 297
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam297-o-11-noob-best-edition-on-stainless-steel-bracelet-/ Noob O
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14285-14285.html Noob O
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=297&product_id=855 Noob O
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1230 Noob O
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=11168 Hmaker O
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn297o01-297o-ssss-black-a7750-28800bph-p-14788.html Hmaker O
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_186.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7895&id_categoria=37
**

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (K-series Noob)
The gen PAM 299 is a model introduced in 2008 K-series and comes with a SS bracelet New Panerai model all brushed.
This watch started in K-series fitted with a dial similar to PAM 104 but with bolder markers and the inscription L SWISS MADE L in two parts placed in each side of the 6 marker. But from N-series the dial is the same as PAM 104 with inscription L SWISS MADE L complete under the 6 maker and thiner markers.
This watch is similar to PAM 104 but comes with brushed case and SS bracelet. It is also similar to the PAM 220 but this last watch has old model SS Panerai bracelet. There is a version of PAM 299 in 40mm: the PAM 298.
All above mentioned watches are fitted with the OP III movement.
There are replicas of this watch from Noob factory including correct CG, correct Cyclops and date font. But it is interesting to say that Noob has introduced a specially decorated movement more accurate to the OP III.
We can consider this replica as a Super rep due to its great quality and decorated movement.
This replica has not circles (or they are hidden by the paint) in Subdial @9.
Read some discussion about this rep PAM 299 K-series and N-series here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=112590 by AHX
See good pictorials here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=202564 by Ace35
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=141475 by walden


PAM 299
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam299-k-11-noob-best-edition-a7750/ Noob K
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13713-pam299-k-luminor-marina-black-ss-ss-noobfactory-best-asian-7750.html Noob K
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2717&ti= Noob K
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1065 Noob K
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_187.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7894&id_categoria=35
**

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (O-series Noob & H maker) Noob is the best option
The gen PAM 299 is a model introduced in 2008 K-series and comes with a SS bracelet New Panerai model all brushed.
This watch started in K-series fitted with a dial similar to PAM 104 but with bolder markers and the inscription L SWISS MADE L in two parts placed in each side of the 6 marker. But from N-series the dial is the same as PAM 104 with inscription L SWISS MADE L complete under the 6 maker and thinner markers.
This watch is similar to PAM 104 but comes with brushed case and SS bracelet. It is also similar to the PAM 220 but this last watch has old model SS Panerai bracelet. There is a version of PAM 299 in 40mm: the PAM 298.
All above mentioned watches are fitted with the OP III movement.
There are replicas of this watch from H maker including correct CG, correct Cyclops and date font. But this replica has not introduced the same specially decorated movement more accurate to the OP III like Noob factory has done in K-series. For this reason we cannot consider a future upgrading to Super rep.
We can consider this replica as a First Class rep.
Read some discussion about this rep PAM 299 N-series and K-series here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=112590 by AHX
A good review here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=134617 by PolonusTM
More info here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=53903 by 300kph
Concerning the issue in second sub-dial @9 of this H maker version with possible concentric circles in this sub-dial. It is, most likely a false alarm due to different quantity of paint in the replica manufacture, because the Subdial is milled in the material of the dial and then the subdial surface has like concentric circles marks from the milling tool.
Starting Mars 2013 an study and interesting investigation by PolonusTM, studying the PAM 243 has established the origin of the matter: All observations for PAM 243 are valid for PAm 299.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1337195&postcount=9 by PolonusTM
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1337778&postcount=11by PolonusTM
Following Polonus statements:
"Now I know that gen 243 and 299 models HAVE concentric circles on subdials but the amount, viscosity and surface tension of paint layer varies and, most of the times, covers these circles and make them look semi-flat. When You flush gen dial with paint remover, they appear if full galore. They are not stamped but just micro-milled hence circles. Probably all PAM dials with subdials have them like that. So it is paint layer what rep makers get wrong."
The gen and the rep have both a very edged subdial contour, we can say that they are milled in the dial material, because it is impossible to get an edged contour of the subdial by stamping, we need a milled process to get this edged contour.
Therefore the inner surface of the subdials must have a mark of the milling tools like a fine spiral (seemingly concentric circles)
As you said due to the viscosity and surface tension of the paint the milled marks are flattened by the layer of the paint more or less in different way depending on quantity of the paint and also on the characteristics of the paint.
In below pics of two PAMs 243 you can see on the left side a subdial with a thick layer of paint and a minimum circles effect and on the right side a subdial with a thin layer of paint and therefore maximum circles effect. These pics are valid for PAM 299

In this way due to the usual differences in the manufacturing process of a replica, we can get from almost completely flat inner subdial surfaces to “textured” surfaces like concentric circles.
Since the gen has seemingly almost flat surface, it is a matter of luck to get an almost flat surface like the gen in our replicas depending on the quantity, viscosity and surface tension of paint.
Anyway it seems that the gen have different subdial looks depending on batches too. Read this post by PolonusTM after the observations of two different gens PAM 299.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1342414&postcount=19
On 11th Mars 2013 Polonus close this discussion getting from P.Clones's Joshua some comparison pics Gen-Rep PAM 299 H maker.
http://imgur.com/a/qUz3G
In these pics we can see the great quality of this replica and that the Gen subdial @9 has circles without doubts, as you can see in below enlarged pic of the gen 299 from Joshua.

CIRCLES ON SUBDIAL OF A GEN PAM 299


Therefore this discussion is closed and no much worries about subdial circles in this PAM 299.
Due to comparison pics from Joshua we have been able to see the accuracy and quality of this replica and we must upgrade it to Super replica.


September 2013- Noob and H maker release the PAM 299 O-series
O-series and N-series have the same dial, with bigger and thinner markers than K-series and LSML placed complete under "6". This is the same dial as PAM 104
Noob has released the PAM 104 O-series, and then, using this dial and the case and bracelet of PAM 299 K-series has released the PAM 299 O-series
Most likely Noob has also used the crystal of PAM 104 O-series, because PAM 299 O-series has a better cyclops with less frozen halo
Threfore the best version of PAM 299 at this moment is: PAM 299 O-series Noob.
PAM 299 O-series H maker is very close but has worse CG.
We can consider them either Noob or H maker as Super replicas
More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210398&page=2&p=2283415&viewfull=1#post2283415


PAM 299
REPLICA links:
If no Links for O-series. Just ask dealers for O-series version
(**)http://pure-time.com/product/pam299-o-11-noob-best-edition-a7750/ Noob O-series
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+299&product_id=677 Noob O-series
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=9738 Hmaker N-series
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn299n01-299n-ssss-black-p-13317.htmlHmaker N-series
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_187.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7894&id_categoria=35
**

Panerai collectors have been longing for a re-edition of the Panerai Mare Nostrum for years. In 2010 year their dream came true as Panerai presented the 2010 Special Edition PAM 300 at the Geneva SIHH.
The original Mare Nostrum is one of Panerai's most rare watches. It was designed for deck officers of the Italian Navy in 1943. The watch however, due to events in the war, never made the intended production process and - as far as documented - only three prototypes were made. It was unknown what happened to these three prototypes and all documentation was lost when Florence was flooded in the sixties, until one of the watches was offered for sale at Christies in 2005. Officine Panerai bought the watch for their museum for the sum of 85,000 Euro.
Panerai did already reproduce the Mare Nostrum in 1993 but the new 2010 PAM 300 is made to more exactly meet the specifications of the original Mare Nostrum. The case of the PAM 300 has the same shape and size (52mm) as the original and the dial looks very similar. Except that Tritium was used on the indices of the original watch. The watch - like the original - has a Two levels dial. The color of the luminova on the new PAM 300 does seem to match the color of the original watch quite closely. Panerai did a great job on the olive green canvas strap too.
The PAM 300 has a Panerai OP XXV movement - based on a Minerva movement. The original Mare Nostrum had an Angelus movement. You can admire the beautiful movement through the crystal case back. The original Mare had a closed case back.
The Minerva based movement is visible through the case back crystal
The aforementioned earlier reproductions of the Mare Nostrum are the Pre-Vendome 5218-301/A (10 prototypes in 1993, the 5218-302 Slytech Mare Nostrum (50 units with a blue dial in 1995) and the 5218-304 (50 units with a plain bezel in 1995). All three models have an ETA based movement and a 42mm case. Although these watches are based on the looks of the original Mare Nostrum they weren't designed using the specifications or measurements of the original 1942 chronograph.
Although the PAM 300 is a beautiful and unique collectors item with its 52mm case, this is not exactly a watch that many people can actually wear.
The replica is fitted with a good Venus 75 manual movement, trying to match the Minerva, but with the display caseback it is quite inaccurate. We should consider it like only an interesting watch.


PAM 300
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam300-mare-nostrum-v2-on-green-nylon-strap/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam300-mare-nostrum-on-green-nylon-strap/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/14044-14044.html
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+300&product_id=216
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=6570
http://www.p-cls.com/pn30001-pam300-mare-nostrum-chrono-ssle-venus75-p-10444.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_266.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2010/95-mare-nostrum-pam00300
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (K-series H maker)
The gen PAM 301 K-series 2008 is a true anomaly and a very collectible and rare Panerai, seldom seen and even less available. Made in only 500 individually numbered pieces for K series. You can't find it in any Panerai catalogue at all. It is known as Panerai's "Ghost" editions.
It features a high polished/shiny stainless steel case with matching shiny bezel. It looks very similar to a PAM164 except a PAM164 is a regular production model starting in 2004 and in current production, and that PAM 164 has a brushed/satin finished case with contrasting high polished bezel.
PAM 301 K-series Luminor Marina comes with OP III automatic movement.
Rumor has it this watch was made for Orlando Bloom as a special VIP edition while working on the movie ElizabethTown in which he wore a 1950 PAM 127 for the duration of the movie adorning his wrist (and that was about the only redeeming feature about that movie). This watch is completely sold out and rarely available (info from Watchuwant provided by jonasprivate)


September 2012 - H maker released the rep PAM 301 K-series using the structure of PAM 164 but, obviously, polishing the Case.
We can expect the same quality and flaws on this PAM 310 H maker as achieved with a PAM 164 H maker (read PAM 164 H maker data). Therefore, it is a First Class high level.


PAM 301
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam301k-ghost-h-maker-ss-black-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7750/ Hmaker K 2012->
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam301k-ghost-h-maker-ss-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a7750/ Hmaker K 2012->
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12891-pa2210b-pam301-k-h-factory-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750.html Hmaker K 2012->
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12892-pa2220b-pam301-k-h-factory-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750.html Hmaker K 2012->
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+301&product_id=681 Hmaker K 2012->
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=9933 Hmaker K 2012->
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=9934 Hmaker K 2012->
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn301k01-301k-ssru-blk7750-p-12756.html Hmaker K 2012->
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn301k02-301k-ssle-blk7750-p-12757.html Hmaker K 2012->
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_228.html
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-301-k-luminor-marina-44mm-stainless-steel-500-pieces-ghost-edition-indistinguish
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353390/thread/1334075921/1334076016/FS+PAM+301K+Mint+%28PamPam13%29
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353390/thread/1222201895/1222201895/REDUCED%21+BNIB+2008~2009+Panerai+PAM301+K+%28DanielSzeto%29
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (A7750 versions) (with some restrictions due to inaccurate movement, read all comments and below Review)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac Q w/ decorated ZP9000-V2)
The PAM 305 has the same structure as a PAM 382 Bronzo, but 305 Case&Bezel are made of Titanium (the Case&Bezel of the gen PAM 382 are made of real Bronze), with unidirectional bezel Egiziano style, skeleton hands, automatic movement, small seconds @9 and a date window @3 without Cyclops.
Pictorial review of the gen PAM 305 here:
http://mob.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost.classic/fi-717/pi-3521981/ti-568791/s-0/
They are with the new 2011 PAM 371 the only (and unusual) Submersible with a Display caseback which allows seeing the beautiful and special Panerai “Manifattura” movement P.9000.

There is a cheap and inaccurate versions fitted with Asian 23J movement and mineral crystal without AR. No interesting replica

January 2012- PAM 305 L-series A7750 low beat versions made of real Titanium are released.
Since gen has “Manifattura” movement P.9000. and features display caseback, for the rep it is impossible to be close completely to the gen with such Display caseback. Please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
The construction quality of this rep is good, even is a good attempt made of rel Titanium, but the display caseback denounces an inaccurate rep movement, and has some little flaws, like bezel that wiggles a little (the gen is not completely solid either). Read below the complete review by Hidden Impact. For these reason we must say that it is a First Class rep bordering a lower status, but always bearing in mind this accuracy matter and flaws, because many people cannot live with such flaws.
You can see pics and complete review in:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=94114 by Hidden impact
Pictorial with some mods here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=170354 by RG’s PLOPROFCOMEX


September 2014- ZFac released a rep PAM 305 Q-series made of real Titanium and with an excellent quality. This version presents a very new feature because it is fitted with a new decorated movement called ZP9000-V2, still based in A7750 (therefore with balance wheel still @11 instead of @7) but with non inverted layout due to a technical trick. Maker has reduced the Balance cock to a simple bar making it almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout similar to the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. Regarding inscriptions accuracy of position it is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before but with correct orientation, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version. Due to the characteristics of A7750 the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole” is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement almost as inaccurate as previous versions.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel

GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9000-V2
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone seems very different. Those differences are the same in previous inverted versions but you cannot expect much improvement from the new decorated movement ZP9000-V2, leaving aside the correct layout and the correct orientation of the inscriptions.
We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous versions either from ZFac or KW. Then, at least, this is a nice improvement.
We would need to know in the future if the weakening of the real balance cock, being reduced to a bar, will affect the correct working of the movement, since this bridge is the main support of the balance wheel. So, this matter remains pending future evaluations.
The most important is that this version presents a lot of improvements regarding the rest of the watch. This is a replica with pretentions and made to get accuracy and good finish.
DIAL- Markers either stick or dots have thinner contours and are more flat, like gen. Inscriptions are also better and date wheel fonts and colour. Lume is stronger and with good greenish colour
HANDS and CP- Hands are accurate but the lune is a bit more white than markers. CP is way better than previous versions which were fitted with a polished cup making the CP really big. In this version the diamtere is correct but the CP is ZFac type with the raised fim around the CP. Anyway much more accurate than previous CP.
CRYSTAL- also improved
BEZEL- Overall better finsh. Clearly improved markers either metallic or painted with more accurate fonts, although first black bezel minute marker start a bit far from the pearl in comparison with the gen. Pearl is much better more flat and with better colour, pearl rim is much better but still a bit rounded. The main flaw is the bezel knurling, as happened in ZFac PAM 389, it seems inconsistent and with bad finish with inaccurate shape of horizontal and vertical sections and, as always, the upper external polished edge is smaller than gen. This knurling is clearly worse than the PAM 364 Noob bezel knurling.
CASE- Overalll better finsh. The lugs and cushion shape are very improved and now they are just like gen
CG- The CG is overall better, in shape and finsh, engravings, chamfered edges are visible but not as nice and big as gen has. Lever, lever tip, roller, CG pin and fitting with the CG are really improved.
CASEBACK- Engravings are sharper and deeper and more accurate

Due to above mentioned about new V2 decorated movement, this new feature doesn’t allow an upgrading of the evaluation, but the rest of the watch is clearly improved. IMO in September 2014 without PAM 364 Noob in the market, ZFac PAM 305 had been a very good option. From the release of PAM 364 Noob, this new ZFac rep has lost a lot of interest. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep high level just a bit better than ZFac PAM 389. Always pending future information about the working of the new V2 movement
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=194759 by pm-guy
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=86337 by baxter
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=195385 by stevensegol91

PAM 305
REPLICA links:
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam305-q-titanium-zf-11-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-zp9000-v2/ ZFac Q w/ decorated ZP9000-V2
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam305-ss-black-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-a23j/ PAM305 SS 23J
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam305-l-11-best-edition-a7750-final/ A7750 L-series Ti
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15845-pa15845-pam305-q-titanium-zf-v2-black-dial-ru-p9000.html ZFac Q w/ decorated ZP9000-V2
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11753-pa0450s-pam305-luminor-submersible-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750.html A7750 L-series Ti
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1227 ZFac Q w/ decorated ZP9000-V2
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3322 ZFac w/ decorated ZP9000-V2
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2307&ti= A7750 L-series Ti
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+305&product_id=653 A7750 L-series Ti
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1574 ZFac Q w/ decorated ZP9000-V2
http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=9696 PAM305 SS 23J
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=9149 A7750 L-series Ti
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn305m11-submersible-black-ssru-sg25j-auto-p-12481.html PAM305 SS 23J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn305l01-submersible-tiru-p-11866.html A7750 L-series Ti
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_245.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=9014&id_categoria=9002
http://mob.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost.classic/fi-717/pi-3521981/ti-568791/s-0/
***

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
The gen PAM 306 is an awesome watch introduced as a Unique Edition of 150 pieces in 2008 K-series.
PAM 306 is powered by the Calibre P.2005, a manual winding movement with a tourbillon escapement. The Calibre P.2005 is one of Panerai's in-house or manifattura movements. This movement has a 6 day power reserve. The movement produces 28,800 vibration per hour (4Hz).The Panerai tourbillon cage rotates on an axis at right angles to the axis of the balance wheel and makes two rotations per minute. This rotation, is twice as fast as the usual. On the dials of both watches there is a little ecru indicator within the seconds counter at 9 o’clock, which travels twice as quickly as the seconds hand, making one rotation every 30 seconds, because it moves at the speed of the tourbillon cage.
This is Panerai's newest in-house Tourbillon movement complete with 12 hour GMT, 6 Day power reserve, Tourbillon rotation indicator, power reserve indicator and full see-through caseback to view the rotating Tourbillon cage as it appears to come at you in almost 3-D.
The gen PAM 306 is a watch impossible to copy due to its awesome Tourbillon movement and its display caseback and other features. The gen has an impressive 47mm Case made of Brushed Ti and a contrasted Bezel of Polished Ti and a Brown Sandwich dial, the replica has Black or grey dial and the case-bezel is made of SS. Therefore, in general this is not at all an accurate replica and it is not an advisable purchase.


PAM 306
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam306-gmt-a21j/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam306-gmt-gray-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-a21j/
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Specialties_218.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2008/73-luminor-1950-tourbillon-gmt-titanio-pam00306
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (H-maker) (see comments about movement)
The PAM 308 was a Unique Edition of 500 watches to celebrate the 2008 “Regatta” Panerai Classic Yachts Challenge.
From 2008 the Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm new launchings continue being a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, but the square pushers are replaced by cylindrical type chrono pushers like the 1950 Chrono series.
The PAM 308 has a beautiful Black Hobnail textured dial, brushed SS case and brushed SS bezel with tachymeter, feature constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds hand and only minute totalizer with blue marked previous five minutes before the starting of the Regatta. It has a new completely and exclusive movement: the manual winding OP XXVI.

Before 2012 there were good quality replicas of PAM 308 fitted by the very reliable Venus 75 manual movement.

June 2012 - H maker released a replica fitted with automatic A7750, impossible accuracy since the gen has Manual OP XXVI movement, but the general construction and finish is really good. Always bearing in mind the matter about an automatic movement instead a manual one. You always could removing rotor to get a manual movement. Due to this reason we cannot consider this PAM 308 a Super rep.
See a good pictorial review here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=32471by lapinobel
Leaving aside the cost of the Venus and some people who doesn’t want the manual, I don’t understand this decision from H maker. The PAM 308 is not either Flyback or Rattrapante chrono, therefore it would be possible to make an accurate replica with all chrono functions and, since the quality of H maker is almost assured, likely it would have been a Super rep. But fitted with an A7750 it can be just a First Class rep medium level. You should can live with an automatic rep when the gen is manual (as above said you could remove the rotor top get a manual)


PAM 308
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam308-k-luminor-regatta-ss-black-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a7750/ Hmaker A7750
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11752-pa0440s-panerai-luminor-regatta-chrono-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-lemania.html PAM 308 w/Venus
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12605-pa2896b-pam308-k-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-ru-asian-7750.html Hmaker A7750
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=1341&ti= PAM 308 w/Venus
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2404&ti= Hmaker A7750
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+308&product_id=577 Hmaker A7750
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=3225 PAM 308 w/Venus
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=9595 Hmaker A7750
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=9596 Hmaker A7750
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn308k01-regetta-chrono-ssru-p-12370.html Hmaker A7750
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn308k02-regetta-chrono-ssle-p-12374.html Hmaker A7750
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7203 Hmaker A7750
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_180.html
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
In 2008 K-series Panerai introduced the PAM322, PAM 309 and in 2010 M-series the PAM 349, three watches Radiomir Titanium 47mm with a pink gold ring inside the case around the dial, a design element that is inspired on one of the vintage Panerai watches.
PAM 322 and 309 are essentially the same watch but 322 has a Brown Sandwich dial and 309 has a Black sandwich dial and 100 units were produced, as opposed to the even lower production number of the PAM322 which is 50 units. The millesimation of both watches is X/150. 100 units of the 309 and 50 of the brown dialed 322, together this accounts for 150 watches. The PAM 349 has the same structure but it has the famous and striking "art deco" like California dial showing an unusual combination of Roman and Arabic numerals, only 12 watches were made of this model. Three watches have Brushed Titanium case with contrased Polished Titanium bezel, Display caseback, seconds @9 sub-dial and the Panerai OP XXVII manual movement, which is based on a Minerva calibre 16-15 movement. This calibre is modified so that the small seconds is at 9 o'clock position - it was originally located at six o'clock position on the Minerva Seconde Grande Authentique. The finishing was actually done by Minerva for Panerai.
The replicas of this watch, despite they have a decorated Minerva like movement, are Low grade reps and they are not an advisable purchase


PAM 309
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam309-radiomir-titanium-47mm-updated-movement/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam309-radiomir-titanium-47mm-on-new-dark-brown-leather-strap/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11755-pa0470s-pam309-radiomir-panerai-black-dial-ti-lt-47mm-asian-6497.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=6378
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn30901-radiomir-47mm-tile-black-asian-6497-modified-p-8760.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_177.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2008/321-radiomir-titanium-pam00309
The link PaneraiSource makes a mistake indicating brushed bezel instead of polished
**

The gen PAM 310 is a Luminor Chronograph 40 mm made of SS, with contrasted polished bezel and brushed case. Its production started in 2008 K-series.
Gen PAM 310 features:
Movement: automatic mechanical, Panerai OP XII calibre, 13 lignes, 27 jewels. Glucydur balance, 28,800 alternations/hour.
Incabloc anti-shock device.
Power reserve 46 hours. Cotes de Geneve decoration on the bridges. PANERAI personalised oscillating weight.
Chronometer Certificate (C.O.S.C.).
Functions: hours, minutes, small seconds, date. Chronograph with two counters.
Case: diameter 40 mm, brushed steel. Brushed steel push bottons for the chronograph functions at 2 and 4 o'clock.
Bezel: polished steel.
Back: screw, steel.
Device protecting the crown: (protected as a Trade Mark) brushed steel.
Crystal: sapphire, formed of corundum, 1.9 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
Water-resistance: 100 meters.
Strap: alligator with PANERAI personalised brushed steel adjustable buckle. Supplied with a tool to change the strap and a steel screwdriver.

April 2014- A PAM 310 L-series replica is released. This replica is a well built watch but has no ambitions of great rep.
Lugs shape is very inaccurate, as you can see comparing side by side pics of the gen with the rep.
Markers, either numerals or sticks, are a bit bolder. Stick markers, either with lume or without lume are longer.
Central inscriptions on dial have the same width but are higher and inaccurate.
L SWISS MADE L inscription is larger and completely wrong.
Overall layout is not at all perfect but good enough for this level of rep.
CG, Crown and lever are the worse parts. CG has almost correct external size but the hollow to shelter the crown is much bigger and the fitting with the case is not good at all. Crown is bigger and thinner. Lever shape is inaccurate and lever tip has a horrible and inaccurate curve in comparison to the straight gen tip.
Chrono pushers are good in comparison to the CG but not at all perfect.
Caseback is good enough but has no serial number, and OP number is wrong, rep has OP 6779 instead of OP 6739
In general a rep without ambitions and simply good quality no more.
For a 40mm Luminor is a decent option and maybe better than current 40mm PAM reps in April 2014.
Some more info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=178442 by mysterio

PAM 310
REPLICA links:
http://pure-time.com/product/pam310-l-40mm-chrono-ss-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a7750/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/15415-pa15415-pam310-l-40mm-white-dial-ss-lt-a7750.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_219.html
http://www.bernardwatch.com/Panerai/Luminor-Chronograph/PAN340
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/watches-show-sell/253733-panerai-pam-310-n-luminor-chrono-40mm-1-600-pam310-brand-new.html
http://philippeswatches.com/panerai-luminor-chronograph-steel-pam-310.html
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-310-k-luminor-chronograph-40mm-stainless-steel-bnib#.U1HFplV_uXE
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/ref-pam00310.htm
http://www.luminoremporium.com/Chronograph-40mm/PAM00310
**

EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (Reps before May 2013)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (KW V1 O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (Puretime type O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted Puretime type)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (KW V2 O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2) the best option from May 2015
The PAM 312 is the same as PAM 328 but with Leather strap instead of SS bracelet. These watches were introduced in 2009 L–series.
The watch is really like a PAM 320 but without GMT function, has a 1950 brushed SS 44mm case with a contrasted polished SS bezel, display caseback, black sandwich dial, seconds sub-dial @9 and date @3 without Cyclops. Moreover, it is powered by the new Panerai P.9000 “Manifattura” movement instead of the P.9001. Like the P.9001, this is an automatic movement with a power reserve of three days, but the P.9000 doesn’t have either power reserve indicator (at the backside) or GMT function built-in.
The PAM312 is a beautiful watch in the Marina line that is just as great for casually dressed people or wearing suits. It has the text on the dial in cream colour as opposed to white, the same as it is on for instance the new 47mm titanium PAM 305


-Reps before May 2013
Since the gen PAM 312 has a special Panerai “Manifattura” movement P.9000, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. There are “old” reps L-series fitted with Asian Seagull 25J movement and with A7750 with rotors appropriately decorated.
Although above mentioned issues we can consider all these reps as First Class reps bordering lower status. I would prefer the A7750 rep because it features AR coated crystal but it is more expensive (but please bear in mind the movement issue if you are looking for a big accuracy)
These "old" replicas L-series are in 2013 a little forgotten, and even obsolete, due to release of reps with decorated movements


-REPLICAS WITH DECORATED MOVEMENT
-KW V1 O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
May 2013- Kuvarsit release a rep PAM 312 O-series with awesome finish and Decorated A7750 movement inverted layout like a P.9000.
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=50482&st=20
This is a decorated like P.9000 movement with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has “real” jewels instead of “painted” jewels like first batches of ZFac movements, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole” is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

This replica can be considered a First Class replica bordering Super rep status. Since the movement is decorated and has inverted position, it is very difficult that we can consider this watch a Super rep. Anyway very interesting replica and a new step from KW.
Some comments and pics about KW PAM 312 O-series here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=142497 by Fiddo
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=52091 by ATEspo
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=206470
See a magnificent High resolution pictorial of this KW rep here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=69686 by MrMcGibblets

Some comments about KW too brownish inscriptions colour on dial
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/187040-Incorrect-Lettering-Colour-on-PAM-312-KW/page2?p=2358506&viewfull= by pedalpower
In above thread read this interesting post by Uberschall
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/187040-Incorrect-Lettering-Colour-on-PAM-312-KW?p=2358506&viewfull=1#post-2358506
redirecting to this interesting Timezone thread:
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=6705805&rid=2#msg_6705805
More comments and comparisons:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/246602-ZF-(current-version)-vs-KW-Pam-312-Another-comparision by CybNoX
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/252824-Yet-another-ZF-(version-)-vs-KW-Pam-312 by CybNoX


-Puretime type O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted Puretime type
May 2013- From Angus of Puretime initiative is released a rep. O-series fitted with a A7750 movement decorated like a Paneari P.9000. This decoration is not as perfect and carefully made as KW decoration, but it is an acceptable approach to the gen look. Obviously the movement layout is inverted, since the A7750 has the balance wheel @11 hrs. whereas the P.9000 has the wheel @7 hrs. See below pic. This is not a step to the P.9000 clone, it is just a decoration of a conventional A7750 to seem a gen P.9000. In this watch the decoration features a false, and non working, escapement wheel.
This can be considered as a First Class rep of low level, since the movement is not a real P.9000 clone, it can be never a Super rep following usual criteria.

DECORATED PURETIME TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 -WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL

More info about this movement:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=203531
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=207181
This movement is not finished as nicely as KW decorated movement and first batches had "MADE SWISS" wrong inscription instead of "SWISS MADE". Already corrected in new productions
IMO KW decoration and rep is more advisable
Regarding overall quality, accuracy and finish, decorated KW reps are superior to PT type decorated reps.
PAM 312 KW A7750 review and pictorial
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=195727 by kilowattore


-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
October 2013- ZFac releases a PAM 312 P-series, with decorated A7750 based inverted layout movement, very similar to KW decoration in finish and appearance. This is a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration started with “painted jewels” instead of “real” jewels, but last batches featured “real jewels”, and also had false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is inaccurate and seems weird. The balance wheel “hole” is much smaller than gen and looks inaccurate. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
CAL P.9000 inscription has inaccurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
Bellow is showed ZFac decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

Comments about this ZFac replica:
-Finish of this ZFac rep seems similar to KW watches, but owners are detectingit is a bit inferior to KW, it seems that these first batches from ZFac have a little lack of consistency in quality and finish.
- Some owners say that crystal of ZFac is more gen-like bevelled than KW version. Not yet confirmed
- Cannon pinion is flush and more accurate in ZFac version, whereas in KW version is recessed.
- Painted ZFac decoration jewels are worse than “real jewels” of KW version.
Some more important differences found by ernien here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=171797&p=1732565&viewfull=1#post-1732565 by ernien
-The ZF incorrectly has "op6799" on the caseback, however, op6799 is only on Panerai's titanium cases ie 351 352.
-The lever on the ZF's crown guard has a really solid snap when closed but when open is unfortunately pretty loose.
- Caseback is a bit thicker on the ZF as the same strap is noticeably tighter on the wrist when worn on the ZF compared to the KW. IMO KW is closer to gen.
Anyway, very good ZFac replicas with about the same level of KW. First Class bordering Super rep status due to display caseback with inaccurate movement


-KW V2 O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted
May 2014- KW releases a new version of the reps of automatic PAMs fitted with P.9000. Concretely PAM 312- 359 and 351
We should call this new version KW V2 instead of only V2, in order not to make mistake with V2 version of old rep versions. PAM 312 KW V2 is marked O-series
This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. This movement has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. ’The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole” is bigger than in ZFac and KW inverted movements and gen, but the shape is still inaccurate. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW Seagull movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac and KW A7750 based. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

It is very interesting to say that these new KW V2 with Seagull, leaving aside the change of movement, are the same as KW V1, but they are sold clearly cheaper than old versions with A7750.Decorated Seagull has also inverted layout like A7750 in relation to the gen movement, but Seagull balance wheel is placed @6 whereas A7750 balance wheel is placed @11. Since gen balance wheel is placed @7, decorated Seagull is visually more accurate than A7750. Besides, many people consider Seagull more reliable than A7750.
Anyway reduction of price is very interesting and we are getting even some advantages.
More info from Sora and some comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183533
The reason of this change can be the strong competition with ZFac versions which has pushed KW to get more interesting prices and movement. Anyway these changes will be welcome for all PAM rep fans.
Bear in mind that maybe dealer catalogues will need some time to get changed the pics and the specifications. First weeks after the release, you will need to clarify with the dealer the version you are buying and paying.
Due to the movement is still inverted and not a clone movement, the differences are not substantial and we cannot modify the evaluation of this KW V2 version, but it will be the best option at the release date. We will keep the same evaluation as KW V1: First Class rep bordering Super rep status
Read a little review of KW V2 here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=186218 by set2374


-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
September 2014- ZFac released a new version of PAM 312 P-series. This rep is fitted with a new ZP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick. Maker has reduced the real balance cock to a simple bar, making it almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation.
The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the shape of the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version, but with correct orientation. Due to the characteristics of ZFac decoration the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole” is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement looks not so accurate as expected.
Anyway, this is an improvement in rep decorated movements which get better accuracy than inverted movements. Bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone seems very different. Those differences are the same in previous inverted versions but you cannot expect much improvement from the new decorated movement ZP9000-V2, leaving aside the correct layout and the correct orientation of the inscriptions.
There are no visible modifications on the rest of the watch. Due to above mentioned about new V2 decorated movement, this new feature doesn’t allow an upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is a bit more accurate than previous version with inverted layout movement but cannot get a Super rep Status. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep bordering Super rep status just a bit more accurate than previous version. Always pending future information about the working of the new V2 movement.


-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
October 2014- KW released a new version of PAM 312 O-series. This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, getting a great gen-like appearance. With above mentioned features this KP9000-V2 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the improved Zfac decorated P.9000 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2.5
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed movement KP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5.
Regarding the rest of the watch there are no visible modifications. New KP9000-V2 decorated movement doesn’t allow an upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is more accurate than previous version with inverted layout movement but cannot get a Super rep Status just because balance wheel remains placed @11. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep bordering Super rep status more accurate than previous version and very close to Super rep status.
Nice comparison review with the gen
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=207227&p=2093848#post-2093848 by dabestone
Comparison between ZFac and KW and gen
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/246602-ZF-(current-version)-vs-KW-Pam-312-Another-comparision by CybNoX


-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
May 2015- KW-V6Fac released a new rep of PAM 312 O-series. This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
This new replica is the same as previous versions form KW-V6Fac but just changing the movement. This modification allows a cheaper replica, more accurate movement and reliable working. No changes in evaluation, just a more accurate and interesting version. First Class rep bordering Super rep status. IMO the best option available from May 2015.
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/278879-PAM312-Intense-REVIEW-straps-comparison by Project78

PAM 312
REPLICA links:
-Reps before May 2013 PAM 312 L-series
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam312-l-best-edition-v2/
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2156
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2157

-KW V1 O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32090
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2684 (*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+312&product_id=798
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=10799
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn312o01-312o-1950-days-auto-ssle-a7750-p-14483.html

-Puretime type O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted Puretime type
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam312-o-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9000-movement/ No longer available

-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam312-p-11-zf-best-edition-on-genuine-black-croco-leather-strap-p9000/

-KW V2 O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32292
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam312-m-lite-on-black-leather-strap-p9000/
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15654-pa15654-pam312-o-blk-ss-lt-seagull-st255-automatic.html
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+312&product_id=1054 (*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=12029
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn351m02-312o-1950-days-auto-tile-brown-st255-p-15778.html

-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam312-p-11-zf-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-zp9000/
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15827-pa15827-pam312-p-zf-black-dial-ss-lt-p9000.html
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1194
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/1575-pam312-p-1-1-zf-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-zp9000.html

-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32389
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam312-o-v6f-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9000/

-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2022-pam312-o-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9000.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_243.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=9001&id_categoria=8994
8-5*

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (L-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (L-series Noob) best option
The PAM 318 is the same as PAM 005, with Logo on dial, but has Engraved Solid Caseback “Brooklyn Bridge”. It is a Limited Unique Edition "Brooklyn Bridge" of 150 pieces, version available only to the New York Boutique. See more related watches in PAM 005
The OP Logo is made up of the letters O and P which of course stand for Officine and Panerai. There are also two arrows in the logo - one pointing up and one pointing down-. These refer to the fact that Panerai was a specialist in manufacturing underwater products and landing aid systems. The down arrow referred to the under water (diving) products, the up arrow referred to the other tools.
The high price and collectible pre-Vendome 5218-201/A, 5218-209/A and PAM 000-005-318-195-360-380-424 are the only available Panerai watches with the legend OP logo.
There is an odd story regarding the movements that were used in the PAM 318 “Brooklyn Bridge" watches. Instead of having a decorated movement, like the OPII from the PAM 414 installed, it has a cheap movement, called OP XXIX, exclusive for this watch PAM 318, completely unfinished low grade Unitas, no Geneva stripes, no bevelling, no blued screws, no perlage (under the bridges), there's not even stamped 'Panerai' on any of the bridges, with a poor finish in general. This movement is a low beat 18.000 b/h, is non COSC and has a cheap Novodiac instead of Incabloc shock absorber system.

But in PANERAI 'limited edition catalog 1997 - 2010' there is nothing said about the XXIX. On the contrary, when you look at the PAM 318 they talk about an OPII, 21600 high beat movement, COSC Certified and Incabloc shock absorber.
It was a mistake? It was made intentionally? I cannot believe that PANERAI would risk its reputation to save a little quantity of money.
if this was made intentionally we would see more PAM watches with this XXIX movement, like PAM Boutiques Special Edition, PAM 366 'FU', etc…
How or why these 150 PAM 318 were fitted with this low grade movement is something we will probably never know.
Panerai used this movement for only 150 watches, most likely something went wrong and with all the production finished, and ready for shipment, when somebody discovered this mistake and they decided not to start all over again but just rename it to the OP XXIX
Panerai’s president offered to PAM 318 owners a free change of movement, excluding transportation costs and insurance (weird?). Some owners would make the change and they made a bad deal in my opinon , because the PAM 318 with the “wrong” movement can become a collectible item, something like a postage stamp with a printing error, since only 150 items were made.
Below the links to get the complete story:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/m ... ous+PAM318
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/t ... ners+Unite
There are replicas PAM 318 from regular dealers and from DSN. Replicas L-series from Noob and H maker are Super reps. Noob has better case and CG
Good candidate for a first Panerai replica


PAM 318
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam318-l-noob-transparent-ar-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap/ Noob L
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam318-l-noob-transparent-ar-best-edition-on-brown-oem-leather-strap/ Noob L
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam318-l-h-maker-best-edition-on-black-oem-rubber-strap/ Hmaker L
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam318-l-h-maker-best-edition-on-custom-brown-leather-strap/ Hmaker L
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12134-xfpa5640-pam005-m-luminor-marina-black-dial-ss-ru-best-asian-6497.html Noob L
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12133-xfpa5630-pam005-m-luminor-marina-black-dial-ss-lt-best-asian-6497.html Noob L
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12460-pa8000b-pam318-l-h-factory-black-dial-dlc-ru-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker L
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12459-pa7990b-pam318-l-h-factory-black-dial-dlc-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker L
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2112&ti= Hmaker L
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2110&ti= Hmaker L
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+318&product_id=94 Noob L
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=8871 Noob L
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=7254 Hmaker L
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn318l12-ssle-6497lk-p-11565.html Noob L
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn318l02-brooklyn-bridge-ssle-black-asian-p-9753.html Hmaker L
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/Pam%20318L%20logo%20watch/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_250.html
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (PT decorated version O-series)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (ZFac decorated with PR indicator version P-series)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (KW decorated with PR indicator version M-series)
The PAM 320 is the same as PAM 329 but with Leather strap instead of SS bracelet. These watches were introduced in 2009 L–series.
The watch is really like a PAM 312 but with GMT function. But it is powered by the new Panerai P.9001 “Manifattura” movement instead of the P.9000. Like the P.9000, this is an automatic movement with a power reserve of three days, but the P.9001 has a power reserve indicator (at the backside) and it has a GMT function built-in.
The watch PAM 320 is also very similar to the PAM 233, but the PAM 233 has an AM/PM indicator and another indicator @6 for the Power Reserve.
The PAM 320 has a 1950's style case with a Display caseback and Black Sandwich dial.
The silver GMT second time zone hand rotates in gen once every 12 hours. The GMT function of the PAM 233 works the same way, but, as above said, the PAM 320 lacks an AM/PM indicator. Although you cannot tell if it is day or night in the second time zone, one will know that the 2nd time zone is ahead or not anyway. The absence of the AM/PM indicator certainly does make for a cleaner looking dial. The fact that the second time zone hands moves along with the hour hand makes it very easy and natural to tell the time in the other time zone. This GMT function is much better than the 24 hour GMT function of for instance the PAM 088. It's also nice that you can hide the second time zone hand behind the hour hand when you don't need it, which again results in a much cleaner looking dial.
This is a feature only possible with gen watch, because the replicas have GMT function running a turn every 24hrs instead of 12hrs. The gen PAM 320 has a special Panerai “Manifattura”movement P.9001, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. Moreover, you have the difference of GMT 24 hrs per turn instead 12 hrs as above said. Please bear it in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
There are cheap replicas fitted with A23J movement and quite good replicas fitted with A7750 movements.


May 2013- From Angus of Puretime initiative is released a rep. fitted with a A7750 movement decorated like a Paneari P.9000. Please note it is decorated like P.9000 instead of P.9001 with back power reserve indicator. This decoration is not as perfect and carefully made as KW decoration, but it is an acceptable approach to the gen look. Obviously the movement layout is inverted, since the A7750 has the balance wheel @11 hrs. whereas the P.9000 has the wheel @7 hrs. See below pic. This is not a step to the P.9000 clone, it is just a decoration of a conventional A7750 to seem a gen P.9000. In this watch the decoration features a false, and non working, escapement wheel.
This can be considered as a First Class rep low level since the movement is not a real P.9000 clone, it has no PR indicator and GMT function is 24hrs. instead of 12 hrs. it can be never a Super rep following usual criteria.

DECORATED TYPE PURETIME MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 - WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL
More info about this movement:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=203531 by Puretime
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=207181 by Puretime


October 2013- KW release a version of PAM 320 M-series with decorated movement like P.9001 with Power Reserve indicator in main bridge.
As above said reps of watches fitted with P.9001 with PR indicator, don’t get this indicator even in decorated versions, and usually they had a decorated movement like P.9000 without indicator.
This new KW version is fitted with an obviously false PR indicator only for decoration purposes. It is exactly the same decorated movement for PAM 312 and PAM 386 but with the PR indicator included. This is a new step in decoration movements. Of course this PR is placed in inverted position following the inverted layout of base movement A7750 and the GMT function is 24 hrs (instead of 12 hrs. like gen). This movement has a wrong Jewels inscription on bridges saying “TWENTY – EIGHT (28) JEWELS”, because gen inscription is “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELS”

KW DECORATED A7750 MOVEMENT LIKE P.9001 – WITH FALSE POWER RESERVE INDICATOR INCLUDED
More info about this movement:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=152093 by Sora
Due todisplay showing inaccurate movement, and GMT finction is 24 hrs. instead of 12hrs. like gen, inaccurate 28 JEWELS inscription, although the quality ofconstruction of this replica (same finish and gen-like appearance of a KW PAM312), we must consider it a First Class rep medium level.
Seeing decorated movement with PRindicator we can say it is superior to other decorated versions without thisdevice.
Some comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=218660&p=2355507#post2355507 by concepta

Novembre 2013- ZFac releases a PAM 320 P-series, with decorated A7750 based movement, very similar to KW decoration in finish and appearance. Decoration is based in Puretime type with the same positions of inscriptions, but has the Balance Cock KW style decorated. This movement has “real jewels” as false decoration instead of painted like P.9000 ZFac decorated movement. Obviously the decorated movement has also inverted layout in comparison with the gen, and the Balance Wheel is placed @11 whereas in gen is @7, as you can see in below pics. Of course GMT function is 24 hrs (instead of 12 hrs. like gen). This movement has a wrong Jewels inscription on bridges saying “TWENTY – EIGHT (28) JEWELS”, because gen inscription is “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELS” (from about Mars-April 2014 ZFac corrected this flaw introducing the correct inscription “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELS” in the decorated movement P.9001, but this is not confirmed for this model)

DECORATED ZFac TYPE A7750 MOVEMENT LIKE P.9001 – WITH FALSE POWER RESERVE INDICATOR INCLUDED

Due to display showed inaccurate movement, and GMT finction is 24 hrs. instead of 12 hrs. like gen, although the quality of construction of this replica (very similar to KW version), we must consider it a First Class rep medium level, but ZFac is showing more inconsistency of quality in comparison with KW versions.

From about Mars-April 2014- (because it was not announced by the maker) ZFac made the correction of Jewels inscription on movement bridges. This movement had a wrong Jewels inscription on bridges saying “TWENTY – EIGHT (28) JEWELS” whereas gen is 29 JEWELS . From about Mars-April 2014 ZFac corrected this flaw, introducing the correct inscription “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELS” in the decorated movement P.9001. This is a little improvement, enough to compensate the difference of quality between ZFac and KW, making these versions equivalent. Since this is not an improvement announced by the maker it is not assured you will get the correct inscription. That change is not enough to a change in evaluation


PAM 320
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32162 KW M-series decorated w/PR movement
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam320-l-best-edition/ 320 L A7750
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam320-o-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-p9000-movement/ PT O-series decorated mvmnt.versión
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam320-p-zf-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9001/ ZFac P-series decorated w/PR movement
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam320-p-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-p9001/ ZFac P-series decorated w/PR movement
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14642-pa14642-pam359-p-v2-luminor-marina-blk-ss-lt-p9000-1-1-best.html ZFac P-series decorated w/PR movement
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13932-pa13932.html PT O-series decorated mvmnt.versión
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13930-pa13930.html PT O-series decorated mvmnt.versión
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2718&ti= PT O-series decorated mvmnt.versión
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+320&product_id=938 KW M-series decorated w/PR movement
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+320&product_id=829 PT O-series decorated mvmnt.versión
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1350 ZFac P-series decorated w/PR movement
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1178 PT O-series decorated mvmnt.versión
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=7595 320 L A7750
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn320m01-320m-1950-days-ssle-a7750-p-15127.html KW M-series decorated w/PR movement
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_240.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=9038&id_categoria=9034
**

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
In 2008 K-series Panerai introduced the PAM322, PAM 309 and in 2010 M-series the PAM 349, three watches Radiomir Titanium 47mm with a pink gold ring inside the case around the dial, a design element that is inspired on one of the vintage Panerai watches.
PAM 322 and 309 are essentially the same watch but 322 has a Brown Sandwich dial and 309 has a Black sandwich dial and 100 units were produced, as opposed to the even lower production number of the PAM322 which is 50 units. The millesimation of both watches is X/150. 100 units of the 309 and 50 of the brown dialed 322, together this accounts for 150 watches. The PAM 349 has the same structure but it has the famous and striking "art deco" like California dial showing an unusual combination of Roman and Arabic numerals, only 12 watches were made of this model. Three watches have Brushed Titanium case with contrased Polished Titanium bezel, Display caseback, seconds @9 sub-dial and the Panerai OP XXVII manual movement, which is based on a Minerva calibre 16-15 movement. This calibre is modified so that the small seconds is at 9 o'clock position - it was originally located at six o'clock position on the Minerva Seconde Grande Authentique. The finishing was actually done by Minerva for Panerai.
The replicas of this watch, despite they have a decorated Minerva like movement, are Low grade reps and they are not an advisable purchase


PAM 322
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam322-radiomir-titanium-47mm-updated-movement/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam322-radiomir-titanium-47mm-on-new-brown-leather-strap/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=6377
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn32201-radiomir-47mm-tile-brown-asian-6497-modified-p-8761.html
http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=4973
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_178.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2008/328-radiomir-titanium-pam00322
The link PaneraiSource makes a mistake indicating brushed bezel instead of polished
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (M-series Noob) (see comments about blue croco strap)
From 2008 the Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm new launchings continue being a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, but the square pushers are replaced by cylindrical type chrono pushers like the 1950 Chrono series
In 2009 L-series were released the PAM 326 and PAM 327, a couple of watches with identical structure but with blue croco leather strap and Titanium bracelet respectively. Both have a beautiful blue dial and brushed Titanium case-bezel with tachymeter, and feature a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds hand, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers. And again they use the same completely different movement, the Valjoux-based OP XII.
These watches made in Titanium are much lighter than the precedent 2006 Chronos PAM 326-350 entirely made of SS.
Pictures do not do this gen watch justice. You'll change your mind when you see it in person. It definitely has the characteristics and that unique look and feel that Panerai fans love so much about this brand.


Unfortunately at this moment there are not replicas of the Ti bracelet version PAM 327.
April 2012- Released replicas of the PAM 326 M-series from Noob on croco blue strap. The reps are fitted by A7753 movements, have working date adjustment @10 and are First Class reps high level. But be careful with the strap because it doesn’t have the general quality and look of the watch. A strap to be changed in order to make the most of this awesome watch.
Good pictorial review in:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=103636 by Mickey Padge


PAM 326
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam326-m-daylight-titanium-a7753-ultimate-edition/ Noob M 2012
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12213-pam326-m-luminor-daylight-titanium-lt-ultimate-edition-asian-7753.html Noob M 2012
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2378&ti= Noob M 2012
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+326&product_id=421 Noob M 2012
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=9517 Noob M 2012
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn32601-daylight-chrono-tile-blue-asian-7753-p-12280.html Noob M 2012
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_237.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=8999&id_categoria=39
**

EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower status (REPLICAS BEFORE OCTOBER 2013 Fitted with A7750 and Seagull 25J) but bear in mind an inaccurate movement non decorated
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5)
The PAM 328 is the same as PAM 312 but with SS bracelet instead of Leather strap. These watches were introduced in 2009 L–series.
The bracelet is the new bracelet design of Panerai introduced in 2006 with the PAM 328, this new bracelet is not as unique as the old Panerai bracelet but is nice and more comfortable to wear.
The watch is really like a PAM 329 but without GMT function, has a 1950 brushed SS 44mm case with a contrasted polished SS bezel, display caseback, black sandwich dial, seconds sub-dial @9 and date @3 without Cyclops. Moreover, it is powered by the new Panerai P.9000 “Manifattura” movement instead of the P.9001. Like the P.9001, this is an automatic movement with a power reserve of three days, but the P.9000 doesn’t have either power reserve indicator (at the backside) or GMT function built-in.
The PAM 328 is a beautiful watch in the Marina line that is just as great for casually dressed people or wearing suits. But it is a rather thick watch that might not fit that easily under your cuffs. It has the text on the dial in cream colour as opposed to white, the same as it is on for instance the new 47mm titanium PAM 305


-REPLICAS BEFORE OCTOBER 2013 fitted with A7750 and Seagull 25J
Since the gen PAM 328 has a special Panerai “Manifattura” movement P.9000, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. There are reps fitted with Asian Seagull 25J movement and with A7750 with rotor appropriately decorated.
Although above mentioned issue we can consider all these reps as First Class reps bordering a lower status (but please bear in mind the movement issue if you are looking for a big accuracy)
For A7750 watches there is a version V2 with some improvements in bezel rim, and a dial with better markers cuts and deeper sandwich, better colour and better date window and fonts.
These "old" replicas are in 2013 a little forgotten, and even obsolete, due to release of reps P-series with decorated movements by ZFac


-REPLICAS WITH DECORATED MOVEMENT

-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
October 2013- ZFac releases a PAM 328 P-series, with decorated A7750 based movement with inverted layout. This is a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration started with “painted jewels” instead of “real” jewels, but last batches featured “real jewels”, and also had false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements.
Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is inaccurate and seems weird. The balance wheel “hole” is much smaller than gen and looks inaccurate. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
CAL P.9000 inscription has inaccurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
Bellow is showed ZFac decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

We will compare this replica with KW PAM 312, because there is no PAM 328 KW version, since it is the same as PAM 312 but with SS bracelet.
Comments about this ZFac replica:
-Finish of this ZFac rep seems similar to KW watches, but owners are detecting it is a bit inferior to KW, it seems that these first batches from ZFac have a little lack of consistency in quality and finish.
- Some owners say that crystal of ZFac is more gen-like bevelled than KW version. Not yet confirmed
- Cannon pinion is flush and more accurate in ZFac version, whereas in KW version is recessed.
- SS ZFac Bracelet seems good but not at the level of current Noob bracelets
- Painted ZFac decoration jewels are worse than “real jewels” of KW version.
Anyway, very good ZFac replicas with about the same level of similar KW. First Class reps high level, due to display caseback with inaccurate movement


-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
June 2105- ZFac releases a PAM 328 P-series, with decorated A7750 based movement with NON-inverted layout and Imprtoved. This is a new ZP9000-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole” almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9000-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9000 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.
This new replica is the same as previous version from ZFac but just changing the movement. This modification allows a more accurate and nicer movement, but no changes in evaluation, just a more accurate and interesting version. First Class rep high level. The best option available from June 2015.

PAM 328
REPLICA links:
-REPLICAS BEFORE OCTOBER 2013 fitted with A7750 and Seagull 25J
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam328-l-best-edition-v2/ PAM328 w/A7750
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam328-panerai-luminor-1950-3-days-automatic-on-ss-bracelet/ PAM328 w/Seagull 25J
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11855-pa0390s-pam328-luminor-marina-black-ss-ss-best-v2-asian-7750.html PAM328 w/A7750
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=7598 PAM328 w/A7750
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=6913 PAM328 w/Seagull 25J

-REPLICAS WITH DECORATED MOVEMENT
-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam328-p-11-zf-best-edition-on-ss-bracelet-p9000/ ZFac P-series decorated version
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14639-14639.html ZFac P-series decorated version
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1329 ZFac P-series decorated version
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=11539 ZFac P-series decorated version
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn328p01-328p-1950-days-auto-ssss-a7750-p-15200.html ZFac P-series decorated version

-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1561
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_244.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=8995&id_categoria=8994
8-5*

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium Level (ZFac P-series with decorated movement with PR indicator) (with some restrictions due to inaccurate movement GMT)
The PAM 329 is the same as PAM 320 but with SS bracelet. These watches were introduced in 2009 L-series.
The bracelet is the new bracelet design of Panerai introduced in 2006 with the PAM 328, this new bracelet is not as unique as the old Panerai bracelet but is nice and more comfortable to wear. The watch is actually like a PAM 328 but with GMT function. But it is powered by the new Panerai P.9001 “Manifattura” movement instead of the P.9000. Like the P.9000, this is an automatic movement with a power reserve of three days, but the P.9001 has a power reserve indicator (at the backside) and it has a GMT function built-in.
The watch PAM 329 is also very similar to the PAM 233, but the PAM 233 has leather strap, an AM/PM indicator and another indicator @6 for the Power Reserve.
The silver GMT second time zone hand rotates once every 12 hours. The GMT function of the PAM 233 works the same way, but, as above said, the PAM 329 lacks an AM/PM indicator. Although you cannot tell if it is day or night in the second time zone, one will know that the 2nd time zone is ahead or not anyway. The absence of the AM/PM indicator certainly does make for a cleaner looking dial. The fact that the second time zone hands moves along with the hour hand makes it very easy and natural to tell the time in the other time zone. This GMT function is much better than the 24 hour GMT function of for instance the PAM88. It's also nice that you can hide the second time zone hand behind the hour hand when you don't need it, which again results in a much cleaner looking dial. The PAM329 has a 1950's style case with a Display caseback and Black Sandwich dial. The gen PAM 329 has a special Panerai “Manifattura”movement P.9001, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. Please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
There are cheap replicas fitted with A23J movement and quite good replicas fitted with A7750 movements. All them with inaccurate movement with display caseback and GMT 24 hrs.


REPLICAS WITH DECORATED MOVEMENTS

November 2013- ZFac releases a PAM 329 P-series, with decorated A7750 based movement like P.9001, with false Power Reserve indicator in main bridge, very similar to KW decoration in finish and appearance.
As above said reps of watches fitted with P.9001 PR indicator, didn’t get this indicator even in decorated versions, and usually they had a decorated movement like P.9000 without indicator.
Decoration is based in Puretime type with the same positions of inscriptions, but has the Balance Cock KW style decorated. This movement has “real jewels” as false decoration instead of painted like P.9000 ZFac decorated movement. Obviously the decorated movement has also inverted layout in comparison with the gen, and the Balance Wheel is placed @11 whereas in gen is @7, as you can see in below pics. Of course GMT function is 24 hrs (instead of 12 hrs. like gen). This movement has a wrong Jewels inscription on bridges saying “TWENTY – EIGHT (28) JEWELS”, because gen inscription is “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELS” (from about Mars-April 2014 ZFac corrected this flaw introducing the correct inscription “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELS” in the decorated movement P.9001, but this is not confirmed for this model)

DECORATED ZFac TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9100 –WITH POWER RESERVE INDICATOR

We will compare this replica with KW PAM 320, because there is no PAM 329 KW version, since it is the same as PAM 320 but with SS bracelet.
Comments about this ZFac replica:
Finish of this ZFac rep seems similar to KW watches, but it really is worse and have not the same care for details as KW Pam 320 or PAM 312 have. Read about that:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=217764&page=2&p=2360456#post2360456
Besides, it seems that these first batches from ZFac have a little lack of consistency in quality and finish.
- Some owners say that crystal of ZFac is more gen-like bevelled than KW version. Not yet confirmed
- Cannon pinion is flush and more accurate in ZFac version, whereas in KW version is recessed.
- SS ZFac Bracelet seems good but not at the level of current Noob bracelets
- Movement decoration are very similar, since ZFac P.9001 also has “real jewels” in decoration
Anyway, very good ZFac replicas with about the same level of similar KW reps. Evaluated as First Class of medium level, due to 24 hrs. GMT function instead of 12 hrs. and display caseback with inaccurate movement.
From about Mars-April 2014- (because it was not announced by the maker) ZFac made the correction of Jewels inscription on movement bridges. This movement had a wrong Jewels inscription on bridges saying “TWENTY – EIGHT (28) JEWELS” whereas gen is 29 JEWELS . From about Mars-April 2014 ZFac corrected this flaw, introducing the correct inscription “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELS” in the decorated movement P.9001. This is a little improvement, enough to compensate the difference of quality between ZFac and KW, making these versions equivalent. Since this is not an improvement announced by the maker it is not assured you will get the correct inscription. That change is not enough to a change in evaluation

PAM 329
REPLICA Links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam329-p-zf-11-best-edition-on-ss-bracelet-p9001/ ZFac P-series decorated with PR indic.
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam329-l-best-edition/ PAM329 L A7750
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/new-arrival-pam329-panerai-luminor-1950-3-days-gmt-automatic-on-ss-bracelet/ PAM329 Seagull
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11754-pa0460s-pam329-luminor-gmt-black-dial-ss-ss-asian-7750.html PAM329 L A7750
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/7510-pa8470-pam161-luminor-gmt-date-black-dial-ss-ss-sapphire-1-1-asian-21j.html PAM329 Seagull
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1275 ZFac P-series decorated with PR indic.
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1351 ZFac P-series decorated with PR indic.
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=11540 ZFac P-series decorated with PR indic.
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=7597 PAM329 L A7750
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=6914 PAM329 Seagull
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn329p01-329p-1950-days-ssss-a7750-p-15201.html ZFac P-series decorated with PR indic.

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_241.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=9037&id_categoria=9034
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower status (L-series H maker) (see comments about Rattrapante function)
The PAM 332 Regatta is a special edition of 500 watches dedicated to the Panerai Classic Yachts Challenge 2009, therefore is L-series. It was worn for Silvester Stalone in the film The Expendables. This watch is almost the same as PAM 286 but with a case DLC Black coated. This DLC treatment (Diamond-Like-Carbon) means that the metal has been subjected to a process that makes it even harder and more resistant, in particular to corrosion. DLC treatment is much less prone to the scratching and streaking that often occur with other metal-burnishing procedures. The watch features a Solid case back engraved with the event logo, edition year and the model's identifying numbers and production number, instead of a display caseback like the 286.
This watch is a Luminor 1950 Regatta Rattrapante 44 mm, DLC Black coated. It is a split-second chronograph, complete with chronometer certificate, that counts down the 5 minutes to the start of the regatta, PAM 286 has marked with blue the previous five minutes before the starting of the Regatta in the minute counter.
The dial, covered by 2-mm thick anti-reflective sapphire glass, has a black clou de Paris background: a close-knit weave that gives an impression of depth and highlights the two Arabic numbers and the stud hour markers, luminescent like the hands except for the first of the two chronograph markers, which is blue with just a tiny luminescent point on its tip. The tachymeter scale is imprinted into the raised edge of the dial, while the five minute countdown is also highlighted in blue, shown on the minute counter square.
A "Rattrapante","split seconds","double chronograph” or “doppelchrono” has two seconds hands, one hand is superimposed over the other. When you start the chrono, by pressing pusher @2, both hands start together, but when they are running, if you press the “Rattrapante” pusher @8, you stop the lower second hand, while the other continues running. If you push again the pusher @8 the lower hand catches up the hand which is running and they continue together again, if you push another time the lower hand stops again and the upper continues running, and so every time you repeat the pushing. See Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUSvi1oOaZg&feature=related
The gen PAM 286 features this special technical by means of the Panerai calibre OP XVIII, an automatic movement with a double column wheel system controlling the chronograph functions.
In Nov 2012 H maker introduces this match following the way started with the other 1950 Lumior chronos PAM 212-213-253-286. these replicas are fitted with A7750. There is the option to get a real Sapphire crystal but it is expensive 145$.
All Pros and Cons of this rep are very well explained in a fantastic review by PolunusTM, and we will not repeat them here, the link to the review is:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=125682 by PolonusTM
The most important flaw of this watch is that “Rattrapante” complication is impossible to get by the replicas and threfore they have False “Rattrapante” function and even a completely false pusher @8. However, the solid caseback makes that this watch is more accurate than a PAM 286 which the Display caseback denounces an, obviously, inaccurate movement, even more inaccurate than in the case of the “Flyback”.
Good pictorial review here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=129161by mike 00
See below Review with macropics to notice the quality of this watch
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=169491 by zocker4711
Curiously, these replicas have a misspelled caseback engraving. It says: "CLASSIC YACHTS CHALLENGS" instead of "CLASSIC YACHTS CHALLENGE". It is a big flaw in such a quakity replica and we hope that H maker will fix it asap. Read this post:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=125682&p=1251877#post-1251877 by mvyzfr1

February 2013 - First corrected casebacks are released with engraving OK. "CLASSIC YACHTS CHALLENGE"
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=125682&page=2&p=1325135#post-1325135 by mvyzfr1. In this case from Perfect Clones and sent direct to the owner without problems.

Due to the impressive construction quality of these replicas, we must to classify them as First Class reps bordering lower status (bearing in mind the completely false Rattrapante function and pusher @8).


PAM 332
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13230-pa332rup-pam332-l-regetta-ratt-black-dial-dlc-ru-asian-7750.html Hmaker L
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13231-pa332rup-pam332-l-regetta-ratt-black-dial-dlc-lt-asian-7750.html Hmaker L
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2559&ti= Hmaker L
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+332&product_id=718 Hmaker L
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=10201 Hmaker L
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=10560 Hmaker L
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn332l03-332l-regetta-ratt-p-13044.html Hmaker L
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn332l01-332l-regetta-ratt-p-13042.html Hmaker L
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_234.html
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP (Old replicas)
EVALUATION: DECENT QUALITY (Versions June 2013)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (Version KW decorated like P.2002 SS+DLC)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (Version TSW Titanium+DLC)
The gen PAM 339 is a Special Edition of 1000 watches in 2010, and it is made of a special material called Composite (like the PAM 386 released in 2010 too as a regular production).
Panerai Composite is a material that is the result of an electrochemical process of Ceramization of Aluminium. This material is harder than SS and Titanium and it is even up to 40% harder than ceramic. Its weight is much lighter too. Panerai composite is virtually resistant to scratching or denting, but the material is nonetheless much easier to work with.
As opposed to ceramic, Panerai composite is very suitable for complex and precise machining. Obviously a huge benefit for watch making. An interesting fact is that Panerai managed to mill the case and bezel out of one piece. This implies that the bezel cannot be removed from the case. The material itself is not new, nor is it a Panerai invention. It has been used for years already in the aeronautic industry and in other industries where high performance and reliable materials are of great importance. But Panerai are the first to use this material in watch making and I'm absolutely sure that other watch companies will be introducing their own composite watches next year. Panerai leads, others follow.
Besides the technical importance of the new materials used, the watch is simply stunning. Panerai have managed to combine innovation and history in this new special edition Radiomir. The dial reads Marina Militare and it has the circular 8 giorni brevettato logo - derived from the vintage Panerai watches with a mechanical Angelus movement and an eight days power reserve. The hand-wound mechanical movement is the new P.2002/7 calibre which is entirely made by Panerai. It has of course an eight day (8 giorni) power reserve to keep with its historical military roots. The design of the movement incorporates three spring barrels to achieve an eight day power reserve. This system was introduced with the first Panerai Manifattura movements in 2006 I- series. Interestingly this watch has no power reserve indicator, not on the dial and not on the back , the watch has Solid caseback.
Unfortunately it is very difficult to copy the characteristics of such a gen watch, the replicas are made of SS PVD coated but the colour and finish are not close to the Composite gen and, moreover, the weight denounces the different material of the rep.
We must consider these old replicas as Low grade reps.


June 2103: Replicas made of Aluminium alloyed with Titanium PVD coated are released.
The gen is fitted with P2002/7 movement and then the second subdial @9 has bad placement. It is closer to the 9 in replica. Very noticeable.
This replica is not made by a first class maker and it is not reliable construction IMO. We have had some problems regarding PVD coatings over Aluminum or ALU-TI alloys in PAM 386, because the metallic base was very soft.
Case colour is not accurate and most likely PVD is no the best quality. Dealers are not saying it is DLC, then we have to assume it is simple PVD
The sandwich dial is not deep enough and has not accurate lume and inscriptions colour. Markers cutouts are bolder than gen
Case edges of cushion shape are blunt instead of sharp
Crystal has Blue AR
Puretime says its watch is made of Alu and TTime & PClones are saying that their watch is made of Alu-Titanium. Most likely both are made of an alloy of Aluminium with some quantity of Ti to get some hardness and maybe are the same watch.
We can consider these replicas as decent build quality but inaccurate.
If you can live with inaccuracies and are willing to have some loss of coating in edges with use, you could get this replica.
We can consider these replicas as decent quality but inaccurate.


December 2013- KW releases a PAM 339 M-series made SS DLC coated, with decorated movement Seagull ST2533 like Panerai Manifattura P.2002/7, even with double fixation of balance wheel bridge.

REP SEAGULL ST2533 MOVEMENT DECORATED LIKE PANERAI P.2002/7

We can see in above pic the differences between decorated Seagull and gen P.2002/7. Firstly Seagull has balance wheel @6 whereas gen has balance wheel @11. Gen pic at the left side is in the same position as rep movement, the BW placements are completely different. Gen pic at the right side is turned to make the comparison with rep. as you can see blance wheel is much bigger in rep and the the balance bridge is much bigger too. Other differences are obvious in comparison pic. Rep inscriptions are thicker than gen but quite accurate. Nice approach to the gen and better than other decorations as P.3000 or even P.9000
This is the only version getting a good placement of seconds subdial @9, closer to center like gen. This is an advantage of this replica.
Since the gen is made of Composite and KW rep is made of SS DLC coated there is an important difference of weight in the replica and the material is inaccurate. For this reason we cannot consider this replica in a Super rep status. Correct position of seconds subdial @9 is a good point for this replica. Evaluation First Class rep high level.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=167444&p=1688802#post-1688802 by chris9
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=220305 by hykeeny
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170402 by kayabum
Read a fantastic review of this KW version of PAM 339 here
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=77546 by Tris1066


December 2013- TSW releases a PAM 339 M-series made of Titanium DLC coated and Asian 6497-2 movement.
The movement of this replica is obviously less accurate than KW version, but it is not very important due to a solid caseback. But A6497 movement has a bit different position of seconds @9 subdial, therefore this replica has a bit outwards the seconds subdial @9 (as usually). In this regard KW version is superior.
This TSW version is made of Titanium DLC coated, is more heavy then Composite but it is more accurate in weight than SS. This is in my opinion the only advantage of this replica in relation to KW version. But the difference in subdial @9 position is more evident since it is on dial. Evaluation First Class rep medium level.


PAM 339
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32174 KW version decorated mvmt. SS+DLC
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam339-m-radiomir-composite-brown-dial-on-brown-asso-strap-st2533/ KW version decorated mvmt. SS+DLC
http://www.pure-time.com/product/new-arrival-pam339-black-dial-on-brown-strap/ Low grade rep
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam339-radiomir-composite-marina-militare-8-giorni-on-asso-strap-a6497/ Version June 2013 Alu+Ti+ PVD
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15665-pa15665-pam339-marina-militare-brown-ti-dlc-asian-p2002.html KW version decorated mvmt. SS+DLC
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14891-14891.html KW version decorated mvmt. SS+DLC
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14795-pa14795-panerai-pam339-radiomir-composite-marina-militare-8-giorni-a6497.html TSW version Titamium+DLC
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+339&product_id=939 KW version decorated mvmt. SS+DLC
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=11569 KW version decorated mvmt. SS+DLC
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=10951 Version June 2013 Alu+Ti+ PVD
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=6876 Low grade rep
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn339m11-339m-composite-dlcle-brown-p20027-p-15233.html KW version decorated mvmt. SS+DLC
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_263.html
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/sihh/sihh-2010-panerai-composite-marina-militare-am-339/
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/pam-339-m-radiomir-marina-militare-composite-8-giorni---8-days-power-reserve---marina-militare-dial---special-limited-edition-only-1500-pieces---47mm-deep-brown-compositeceramic---brand-new-in-box--id1934938.htm
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2010_01_01_archive.html
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[ALE7575]

The origin of this watch are two watches made by Panerai for the Egiyptian Navy in 1954 and 1956.
The first watch, made around 1954, was the “6154â€, a watch very similar to the vintage “6152/1†but without CG device (the current PAM 127 is a homage to the vintage “6152/1â€), using, as requested, the old style radioactive dials. This watch is also called the “Small Egizianoâ€
The second watch was made in 1956 with a completely new case (60 mm diameter) made by Panerai: the “GPF 2/56†also called the “Big Egiziano†or simply “Egizianoâ€. The reason for this big size was not aesthetic but functional: to be easily visible for divers.
The current PAM 341 Egiziano is a Special Limited Edition of 300 pieces, made in 2009 as a homage to above mentioned vintage “GPF 2/56†Egiziano. The PAM 341 preserves the general design, dial, case, bezel, plexi crystal, similar strap and de name Radiomir in the dial referring to the used luminescent material. The most evident difference is that the new Egiziano is made of Titanium due to it would have a very big weight made of SS.
The gen PAM 341 Egiziano is always made of Titanium.
There are replicas made of SS and others of better quality made of Titanium.
Many pics and useful info about all the versions of these watches here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/249246-Panerai-Egiziano-60-52-and-47-mm-Radiomir-Egiziano-PAM-341-(-Lots-of-PICS!!) by jvilla510


REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam341-radiomir-egiziano-60mm-titanium-modern-base-dial-on-custom-brown-leather-strap/ Titanium
http://www.tswatchltd.com/14030-pa14030.html Titanium
http://www.tswatchltd.com/14032-pa14032.html Titanium
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=181&P_id=1782&ti= SS
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn34111-radiomir-egiziano-60mm-tile-asia-6497-p-11156.html Titanium
http://www.pf-818.com/pn34101-radiomir-egiziano-60mm-ssle-asia-6497-p-7472.html SS
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_232.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2009/338-l-egiziano-pam00341
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This PAM 341 Vintage style has the lume with a vintage colour.
See the comments about this watch in the above watch Egiziano Modern dial type.
The gen PAM 341 Egiziano is always made of Titanium.
There are replicas made of SS and others of better quality made of Titanium.
Many pics and useful info about all the versions of these watches here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/249246-Panerai-Egiziano-60-52-and-47-mm-Radiomir-Egiziano-PAM-341-(-Lots-of-PICS!!) by jvilla510
REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam341-radiomir-egiziano-60mm-titanium-vintage-base-dial-on-custom-brown-leather-strap/ Titanium
http://www.tswatchltd.com/14029-pa14029.html Titanium
http://www.tswatchltd.com/14031-pa14031.html Titanium
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=8500 Titanium
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=181&P_id=1781&ti Titanium
http://www.pf-818.com/pn34101-radiomir-egiziano-60mm-ssle-asia-6497-p-7472.html SS
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_232.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2009/338-l-egiziano-pam00341
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EVALUATION: SUPER REP bordering a lower status. (KW N-series)
EVALUATION: FIRTS CLASS REP high level (PT P-series)
The gen PAM 346 is a Radiomir 45mm 8days made of Titanium. It was introduced in the SHII of 2010 M-series. It is a watch like a PAM 338 but with 45mm instead of 42mm and having date and cyclops. Another difference is that Pam 346 is a 8 days Power Reserve thanks to a “Manifattura†movement P-2002/9, which is a P.2002 fitted with a nice Power Reserve indicator at the back placed in a bridge of the movement.
Since the case-set is made of Titanium with brushed case and polished bezel and features golden hands is also like a PAM 351 Luminor 1950 but in Radiomir version with Cyclops and more than double Power Reserve.
It is one of the controversial watches with Radiomir case and with Date window and even Cyclops. A little hard to assume for traditional Panerai followers.
Panerai previously sold its watches under the categories historic, contemporary and Manifattura. The latter was used to group the watches with the in-house movements built by Panerai. Things have changed a bit in year 2010, and so, the PAM 346 is a part of the historic line, where it previously would have been part of the Manifattura line because of its in-house movement. All Panerai watches with a hand-wound mechanical movement - in-house or sourced from other parties - are from 2010 called historic.
Gen technical details:
Movement: hand-wound mechanical, P.2002/9 in PAM00346 model, completely manufactured by Panerai, 13 ¾ lignes, 6.6 thick, 21 jewels, 8-day power reserve, 3 spring barrels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. KIF Parechoc® anti-shock device.
Functions: hours, minutes, seconds, date, power reserve indicator on the back.
Case: diameter 45mm, brushed titanium, with removable wire loop strap attachments (patented). Screw-down winding crown personalised OP.
Bezel: polished titanium.
Dial: Brown tobacco sandwich dial with golden hands and seconds sub-dial @9
Back: see-through sapphire crystal.
Crystal: sapphire, made from corundum, 1.9 mm thick, magnifying lens at 3 o’clock. Anti-reflective coating.
Water-resistance: 10 bar (~100 metres).
Strap: alligator with Panerai personalised steel or titanium large-size buckle.

February 2014- KW introduces a rep N-series of PAM 346, fitted with an interesting movement. Following KW information is a Shanghai movement of high quality decorated like a P.2002/9. The decoration has a false simulated Power Reserve indicator very accurate with the gen and nicely made. Since it is no working indicator the hand can be placed in any position following the taste of the owners. But obviously this position will remain always the same.
This decorated movement is a very good approach to the gen appearance, it has some false wheels and even simulated wheels between the Power Reserve indicator and the inscription CAL.2002/9, but IMO is the more accurate of the decorated movements until the date and even more accurate than Clone P.3000. Just the inscriptions seem to be a bit thicker in some cases, but I think this is hit and miss. This the first manual movement in a rep with date function. See below pic.

KW SHANGHAI MOVEMENT DECORATED LIKE P.2002/9

Of course the rep is made of Titanium like gen and has the finish and gen-like appearance of all last watches from KW. Crystal has nice Cyclops with few frozen halo. The Radiomir cushion shape is very accurate and even the strap has a nice quality for a rep. KW assures that lugs screws issue have been already fixed.
The beauty and the quality of this watch don’t go unnoticed and the job of KW seems awesome.
Be careful because some dealers are saying that bezel is made of SS instead of Titanium but KW has assured that is Titanium the material o the bezel. Due to KW is using Titanium for the bezel, since this material, mainly in reps, is way smoother than SS and cannot allow the same like mirror polishing finish. You can see that rep has not a mirror polishing as clean and nicely made as the gen has (rep bezel has like a micro grainy surface). Fortunately this bezel is narrower than PAM 351 bezel and these polishing issues are much less eveident on this rep PAM 346. The problem is less obvious than in PAM 351. See the good pics in the link of kilowattore’s review indicated below, which show the quality of bezel finish despite the flaws.
Other dealers like TrustyTime and Perfect Clones are saying thet movement is A7750 (without rotor) decorated but KW assures is a decorated high quality manual movement from Shanghai, especially used for this replica.
Following current criteria we would not be able to evaluate this replica as a Super rep. since it has no clone movement. But in this case the movement although decorated is really accurate and well finished and without trained eye and without side by side comparison, it will be really no easy to tell the rep movement. See above pic to get what I’m talking about. Besides the overall quality either in case-set or dial is really impressive
I would evaluate this new replica as a Super rep, but maybe bordering lower status. Anyway this is in my opinion the first decorated movement replica evaluated as Super rep but bordering a lower status.
Announcement by KW in RWG
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=71207 (copy paste this link in browser. No working directly)
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=173389 by sharrkey
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=224505 by squared
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=174738 by chris9
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=225449 by hykeeny
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=226515 by grifter
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=226579bynixx
Magnificent pictorial and review here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=178774 by kilowattore
Comments about a gen “comparison†here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=187408 by old_man


August2014- Puretime releases a rep PAM 346 P-series but Puretime doesn't say the maker,maybe ZFac. Similar movement to KW, it seems copied, but some details of themovement seem inferior to KW, like false imitated gears and false PR indicator.The rest of the watch seems OK but pics of the Cyclops seems worse than KWversion. We will see comments and reviews but it is a worse version than KW. Evaluation of First Class rep high level.
Some comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192964 By ernien

REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32210 KW N-series
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam346-p-titanium-radiomir-8-days-on-black-leather-strap-p2002/ PT P-series
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam346-n-titanium-radiomir-8-days-on-brown-leather-strap-p2002/ KW N-series
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15666-pa15666-pam346-n-radiomir-8-days-ss-lt-p2002.html KW N-series
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+346&product_id=988 KW N-series
(**)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=3033&ti= KW N-series
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1386 KW N-series
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=11794 KW N-series
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn346n01-days-tile-brown-p2002-p-15466.html KW N-series
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_265.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ4-znWj6gI
http://www.panerai.com/en/watch-collection/historic-collection/radiomir/18-radiomir-8-days-titanio-pam00346
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=118703
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2010/02/new-8-days-radiomir-panerai-346.html
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
In 2008 K-series Panerai introduced the PAM322, PAM 309 and in 2010 M-series the PAM 349, three watches Radiomir Titanium 47mm with a pink gold ring inside the case around the dial, a design element that is inspired on one of the vintage Panerai watches.
PAM 322 and 309 are essentially the same watch but 322 has a Brown Sandwich dial and 309 has a Black sandwich dial. The PAM 349 has the same structure but it has the famous and striking "art deco" like California dial showing an unusual combination of Roman and Arabic numerals, only 12 watches were made of this model. Three watches have Brushed Titanium case with contrased Polished Titanium bezel, Display caseback, seconds @9 sub-dial and the Panerai OP XXVII manual movement, which is based on a Minerva calibre 16-15 movement. This calibre is modified so that the small seconds is at 9 o'clock position - it was originally located at six o'clock position on the Minerva Seconde Grande Authentique. The finishing was actually done by Minerva for Panerai.
The replicas of this watch, despite they have a decorated Minerva like movement, are Low grade reps and they are not an advisable purchase


REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam349-radiomir-titanium-47mm-updated-movement/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam349-radiomir-titanium-47mm-on-new-dark-brown-leather-strap/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=6379
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn34901-radiomir-47mm-tile-cali-asian-6497-modified-p-8762.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_274.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2009/341-radiomir-titanio-pam00349
http://www.worldwatchreview.com/2009/12/23/panerai-radiomir-titanium-47mm-special-edition-pam-349-california-dial/
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EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (M-series of previous versions to 2013, with many restrictions due to inaccurate movement, see comments)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW V1 M-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW V2 M-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac V2 P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2) best option from May 2015
The PAM 351 is like a version made of Titanium of a PAM 312 but with a warm dial in Brown colour with Gold hands. See more related watches in PAM 312.
The watch, introduced in 2010 M-series, has a Brushed Titanium 1950 44mm case with contrasted Polished Titanium bezel, display caseback, brown sandwich dial with gold hands, seconds sub-dial @9 and date @3 without cyclops
It is powered by the new Panerai P.9000 “Manifattura†movement. This is an automatic movement with a power reserve of three days.
The PAM 351 is a beautiful watch in the Marina line that is just as great for casually dressed people or wearing suits. It has the text on the dial in cream colour as opposed to white, the same as it is on for instance the new 47mm titanium PAM 306.
Since the gen PAM 351 has a special Panerai “Manifattura†movement P.9000, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback.


-Reps before year 2013
There are M-series reps that although above mentioned issue we can consider them a First Class bordering lower status (but please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy)
Interesting and useful comparison rep-gen here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=128543&p=1259866#post-1259866 by Pangasius


-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
October 2013- ZFac releases a PAM 351 P-series, with decorated A7750 based movement, very similar to KW decoration in finish and appearance. Decoration is based in Puretime type with the same positions of inscriptions, but has the Balance Cock KW style decorated. In my opinion the worse flaw of this movement is having the false decoration jewels painted instead of “real jewels†like KW version. Obviously the decorated movement has also inverted layout in comparison with the gen, and the Balance Wheel is placed @11 whereas in gen is @7, as you can see in below pics.

DECORATED ZFac TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 -WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL

Comments about this ZFac replica:
- Finish of this ZFac rep seems similar to KW watches, but owners are detecting it is a bit inferior to KW, it seems that these first batches from ZFac have a little lack of consistency in quality and finish.
- Some owners say that crystal of ZFac is more gen-like bevelled than KW version. Not yet confirmed
- Cannon pinion is flush and more accurate in ZFac version, whereas in KW version is recessed.
- Painted ZFac decoration jewels are worse than “real jewels†of KW version.
Maker is using (as per gen) Titanium for the bezel, this material, mainly in reps, is way smoother than SS and cannot allow the same like mirror polishing finish. You can see that rep has not a mirror polishing as clean and nicey made as the gen has (rep bezel has like a micro grainy surface). Unfortunately this bezel is wider than PAM 346 bezel and these polishing issues are much more eveident on this rep PAM 351. The problem is more obvious than in PAM 346. But don’t worry because it is good enough despite the flaws.
Anyway, very good ZFac replicas with about the same level of KW. First Class rep of high level, due to display caseback with inaccurate movement


-KW V1 M-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
November 2013-KW releases a PAM 351 M-series (version called KW V1), with the well known decorated KW movement A7750 based Inverted which fits KW PAM 312-359-388-505. This is a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has “real†jewels instead of “painted†jewels like first batches of ZFac movements, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole†is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

I really was very reluctant when bought this KW PAM 351 thinking that the finish in a Titaniun case wouldn’t be as perfect as SS KW cases. But I was surprised by the quality of KW Ti case, very uniform surfaces either polished or brushed and defined and sharp edges. Only some people have some claims about the finish and polishing of the bezel surface not being as perfect as the gen, this is completely normal and I think bezel, although not as sharp and nice as gen, is good enough. It is the same as happened in ZFac rep
You can see comparisons above (in ZFac comments)
Very good KW replica, First Class rep of high level, due to display caseback with inaccurate movement.
See some comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=217836 by Atespo
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=164551 by Ernien
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=65425&pid=1076638&st=0&#entry1076638 by Atespo
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=218715 by Atespo
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=232947 by elmerpr


-KW V2 M-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted
June 2014- KW releases a new version of the reps of automatic PAMs fitted with P.9000. Concretely PAM 312- 359 and 351
We should call this new version KW V2 instead of only V2, in order not to make mistake with V2 version of old rep versions
This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. This movement has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. ’The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole†is bigger than in ZFac and KW inverted movements and gen, but the shape is still inaccurate. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW Seagull movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac and KW A7750 based. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

It is very interesting to say that these new KW V2 with Seagull, leaving aside the change of movement, are the same as KW V1, but they are sold clearly cheaper than old versions with A7750.
Decorated Seagull has also inverted layout like A7750 in relation to the gen movement, but Seagull balance wheel is placed @6 whereas A7750 balance wheel is placed @11. Since gen balance wheel is placed @7, decorated Seagull is visually more accurate than A7750. Besides, many people consider Seagull more reliable than A7750.
Anyway reduction of price is very interesting and we are getting even some advantages.
More info from Sora and some comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183533
The reason of this change can be the strong competition with ZFac versions which has pushed KW to get more interesting prices and movement. Anyway these changes will be welcome for all PAM rep fans.
Bear in mind that maybe dealer catalogues will need some time to get changed the pics and the specifications. First weeks after the release, you will need to clarify with the dealer the version you are buying and paying.
Due to the movement is still inverted and not a clone movement, the differences are not substantial and we cannot modify the evaluation of this KW V2 version, just a bit better than previous version. We will keep the same evaluation as KW V1: First Class rep high level


-ZFac V2 P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
October 2014- ZFac releases a new version of PAM 351 P-series. This rep is fitted with a new ZP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick. Maker has reduced the real balance cock to a simple bar, making it almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation.
The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the shape of the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version, but with correct orientation. Due to the characteristics of ZFac decoration the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole†is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement looks not so accurate as expected.
Anyway, this is an improvement in rep decorated movements which get better accuracy than inverted movements. Bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone seems very different. Those differences are the same in previous inverted versions but you cannot expect much improvement from the new decorated movement ZP9000-V2, leaving aside the correct layout and the correct orientation of the inscriptions.
We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous versions either from ZFac or KW. Then, at least, this is a nice improvement.
Maybe the weakening of the real balance cock, being reduced to a bar, could affect the correct working of the movement, since this bridge is the main support of the balance wheel. Indeed ZFac in a new improved movement has keep the real balance wheel in its correct size, still hidden under the regulation device and the escapement wheel, just like KW decorated movements do.
There are no visible modifications on the rest of the watch. Due to above mentioned about new V2 decorated movement, this new feature doesn’t allow an upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is a bit more accurate than previous version with inverted layout movement but cannot get a Super rep Status. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep high level, just a bit more accurate than previous ZFac version.


-KW-V6Fac V3 Q-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
May 2015- KW-V6Fac released a new rep KW V3 PAM 531 Q-series (some catalogues are indicating P-series, but the caseback engraving says Q-series). This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole†very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
This new replica is the same as previous versions form KW-V6Fac but just changing the movement. This modification allows a cheaper replica, more accurate movement and reliable working. No changes in evaluation, just a more accurate and interesting version. First Class rep high level. IMO the best option available from May 2015.

REPLICA links:
-Reps before year 2013
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam351-m-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap/
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+351&product_id=194 (*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=8447

-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam351-p-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-p9000a/ (*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14542-pa14542-pam351-p-z-factory-1-1-best-p9000.html
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+351&product_id=887 (*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1316
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=11273

-KW V1 M-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32154
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15668-pa15668-pam351-m-brown-ss-lt-p9000.html
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn351m11-351m-1950-days-auto-tile-brown-a7750-p-14988.html

-KW V2 M-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32431
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15652-pa15652-pam351-m-brown-dial-ti-lt-seagull-st255-automatic.html (*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+351&product_id=1057 (*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12042

-ZFac V2 P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1195

-KW-V6Fac V3 Q-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2013-pam351-p-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-p9000.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_271.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=9897&id_categoria=8994
8-5*

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (see comments about date adj. @10)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (Noob O-series with A7753 and date adjustment pusher @10h)
From 2008 the Panerai Luminor Chrono 44mm new launchings continue being a full-sized version of the "traditional" 40mm chronographs, but the square pushers are replaced by cylindrical type chrono pushers like the 1950 Chrono series
In 2011 N-series was released the PAM 356. It features a date @4, constant seconds @9, the usual chrono centre seconds hand, date adjustment @10 and minute and hour totalizers. It has too "Date adjustement†@10. A special tool is supplied with the watch to operate this function to change the date. It uses a new completely different movement, the ETA based OP XIX.
It has brushed SS case and brushed SS bezel without decoration and the dial seems more clean than precedent chronos and has a beige Patina Lume like the PAM 360. The 356 sets forth on a tradition of Panerai watches with the text Daylight on the dial. We can say it is a more “dressing†or civilized version of the usual Chronos. Really it is a smart Chrono watch.
Anyway, if you are looking for a watch that offers the functions, the quality and the image of a luxury watch, but in an unpretentious way, this might be the one you've been looking for.

The replicas of PAM 356 are fitted by A7750, therefore don’t have working date adjustment pusher @10 and you have to change the date via crown. Despite this flaw we can consider them as First Class reps low level.


June 2013- Noob releases a very waited good replica PAM 356 O-series of this beautiful watch. And it seems people cannot get disappointed.
Noob gets a better case, improved CG and lever, good position and DW Font, almost perfect dial layout, Superlumed dial markers and hands, and nice strap quality. This rep is fitted with A7753 movement with date changer pusher @10 h.
Solid Caseback is not very deeply engraved but just like gen one.
We can consider this replica as a new Super replica.
More info of Noob replica here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=149428 by Asheron82
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=54584 by cheeese
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=208380 by ATespo
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=208761 by denisegold
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210788 by MALASARTES

REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam356-o-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob O-series
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam356-daylight-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a7750/ A7750
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14017-id14017.html Noob O-series
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+356&product_id=833 Noob O-series
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1195 Noob O-series
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=10945 Noob O-series
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=8938 A7750
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn356o01-356o-daylight-chrono-ssle-black-asian-7753-p-14455.html Noob O-series
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6789 A7750
GEN links:
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=10561&id_categoria=39
http://www.9maiali.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1760
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/pam-356-luminor-chrono-daylight-44mm-stainless-steel-limited--id1940235.htm?query=Panerai+pam+356+luminor+chrono+daylight&dosearch=true&searchexplain=true&resultview=list&goal_suggest=1&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-356-n-dirty-brown-dial-daylight-chronograph-luminor-44mm-brand-new-box
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EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (Reps before May 2013 – M-series A7750 no decorated movement)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW V1 N-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (Puretime type O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted Puretime type)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW V2 N-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (ZFac Q-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac N-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2) The best option from January 2105 for A7750 lovers
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac N-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2) the best option from January 2015
The PAM 359, introduced in 2010 M-series as a few interesting features and a not so common look. Not many Panerai watches have all the numbers on the dial, except for the 3 in this case because that's where the date window is. The dial is based in the PAM 164 dial.
The watch has a Polished SS 1950 44mm case with Polished SS bezel, display caseback, Black sandwich dial with gold hands, seconds sub-dial @9 and date @3 without cyclops
The gen PAM359 has a black sandwich dial that appears to have a nice brownish hue under certain light. The color of the Luminova is beige as opposed to the green Luminova that we are used to from most Panerai watches. Beige colored Luminova seems to be in vogue now as it's also used for the 2009 Special edition Egiziano PAM 341, the new composite Radiomir PAM 339 and the new "Lo Scienziato Radiomir Tourbillon" PAM 348 and PAM 350.
An interesting detail is that this watch has the first all polished 1950's style case followed by the PAM 372. All other watches with this type of 1950 case are brushed, usually in combination with a polished steel bezel. Examples are the PAM 233, 270, 127, 312, 320 and so on. The crown guard with its Reg.TM.engraving however is brushed.
It is powered by the new Panerai P.9000 “Manifattura†movement. This is an automatic movement with a power reserve of three days.


-Reps before May 2013 – M-series A7750 no decorated movement
Since the gen PAM 359 has a special Panerai “Manifattura†movement P.9000, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback.
Although above mentioned issue we can consider the PAM 359 reps M-series as First Class rep of low level (but please bear in mind the movement if you are looking for a big accuracy)
For a good review of this replica watch see:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=100876 by alucard666
Firstly there were two versions of this replica: V1 with inaccurate datewheel font and V2 with accurate datewheel font.
From November 2012 - there is a V3 version from "another maker" with high beat 7750, better lume (although not super lume), better cuts in dial, better colourless AR (but far to be perfect) and Sapphire, good finish in case, good new QR buttons, correct caseback engravings, not perfect CG and lever shape and thin datewheel font.
For more details read the good review by PolonusTM here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=124095&p=1217875#post-1217875 by PolonusTM
Another pictorial:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=126799&p=1245292#post-1245292 by midasmook
Since this V3 version had thinner datewheel fonts (See PolonusTM review), starting 2013 P. Clones and T.Time released the called V4 version with improved datewheel font.
Read this thread :
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=134980 by Arancini
All these rep versions of pam 359 have the arabic markers closer to the dial's edge. That is due to A7750 movement, which has a little bigger distance from the center to the pin of subdial @9 than the Panerai Manifattura P.9000 ("B" distance in below pic). That displaces the d¡al numeral markers more close to the edge of the dial.
The difference is small and few noticeable and it is about 1mm in diameter ("A" distance in the pic)

Above mentioned replicas become "old" and even obsolete with the release of replicas with decorated movements in 2013


-REPLICAS WITH DECORATED MOVEMENT

-KW V1 N-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
May 2013- Kuvarsit releases a rep PAM 359 N-series V1 with awesome finish and Decorated A7750 inverted layout movement like a P.9000.
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=52360
This movement seems a good approach to the gen but it is not at all a step to a Clone P.9000. This is just a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has “real†jewels instead of “painted†jewels like first batches of ZFac movements, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole†is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

This replica can be considered a First Class replica high level. Obviously the movement layout is inverted, since the A7750 has the balance wheel @11 hrs. whereas the P.9000 has the wheel @7 hrs. See below pic. This is not a step to the P.9000 clone, it is just a decoration of a conventional A7750 to seem a gen P.9000. In this watch the decoration features a false, and non working, escapement wheel.
Little numeral markers on dial are a bit thicker like in previous versions
Since the movement is decorated and has inverted position, it is very difficult that we can consider this watch a Super rep. Anyway a very intersting replica and a new step from KW.
Some comments and pics here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-kw-panerai-145121 by Klockis
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=167206 by Perry
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=206270
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=52360
Nice pictorial and fantastic comparison with gen review here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184425 by Ruski91
KW PAM 359 vs Gen comparison
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=188656 by sgabraham


-Puretime type O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted Puretime type
May 2013- From Angus of Puretime initiative is released a rep. O-series fitted with a A7750 movement decorated like a Paneari P.9000. This decoration is not as perfect and carefully made as KW decoration, but it is an acceptable approach to the gen look. Obviously the movement layout is inverted, since the A7750 has the balance wheel @11 hrs. whereas the P.9000 has the wheel @7 hrs. See below pic. This is not a step to the P.9000 clone, it is just a decoration of a conventional A7750 to seem a gen P.9000. In this watch the decoration features a false, and non working, escapement wheel.
Little numeral markers on dial are a bit thicker like in previous versions
This can be considered as a Frist Class rep of low level, since the movement is not a real P.9000 clone and has inverted position, it can be never a Super rep following usual criteria.

DECORATED TYPE PURETIME MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 - WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL

More info about this movement:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=203531
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=207181
This movement is not finished as nicely as KW decorated movement and first batches had "MADE SWISS" wrong inscription instead of "SWISS MADE". Already corrected in new productions
IMO KW decoration and rep is more advisable
Regarding overall quality, accuracy and finish, decorated KW reps are superior to PT type decorated reps.


-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
November 2013- ZFac releases a PAM 359 P-series, with decorated A7750 based inverted layout movement.
This is a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration started with “painted jewels†instead of “real†jewels, but last batches featured “real jewelsâ€, and also had false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is inaccurate and seems weird. The balance wheel “hole†is much smaller than gen and looks inaccurate. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
CAL P.9000 inscription has inaccurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
Bellow is showed ZFac decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

Comments about this ZFac replica:
- Finish of this ZFac rep seems similar to KW watches, but owners are detecting it is a bit inferior to KW, it seems that these first batches from ZFac have a little lack of consistency in quality and finish.
- Some owners say that crystal of ZFac is more gen-like bevelled than KW version. Not yet confirmed
- Cannon pinion is flush and more accurate in ZFac version, whereas in KW version is recessed.
- Painted ZFac decoration jewels are worse than “real jewels†of KW version.
Info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=164144&p=1686627#post-1686627
by Perry
Anyway, very good ZFac replicas with about the same level of KW. First Class of medium level due to display caseback with inaccurate movement


-KW V2 N-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted
June 2014- KW releases a new version of the reps of automatic PAMs fitted with P.9000. Concretely PAM 312- 359 and 351
We should call this new version KW V2 instead of only V2, in order not to make mistake with V2 version of old rep versions
These new replicas KW V2 version are fitted with a decorated Seagull ST2555 inverted layout instead of a decorated A7750. This movement is a decorated like P.9000 with inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. This movement has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. ’The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole†is bigger than in ZFac and KW inverted movements and gen, but the shape is still inaccurate. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW Seagull movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac and KW A7750 based. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

It is interesting to say that these new KW V2 with Seagull, leaving aside the change of movement, are the same as KW V1, but they are sold clearly cheaper than old versions with A7750.
Decorated Seagull has also inverted layout like A7750 in relation to the gen movement, but Seagull balance wheel is placed @6 whereas A7750 balance wheel is placed @11. Since gen balance wheel is placed @7, decorated Seagull is visually more accurate than A7750. Besides, many people consider Seagull more reliable than A7750.
Anyway reduction of price is very interesting and we are getting even some advantages.
More info from Sora and some comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183533ç
The reason of this change can be the strong competition with ZFac versions which has pushed KW to get more interesting prices and movement. Anyway these changes will be welcome for all PAM rep fans.
Bear in mind that maybe dealer catalogues will need some time to get changed the pics and the specifications. First weeks after the release, you will need to clarify with the dealer the version you are buying and paying.
Due to the movement is still inverted and not a clone movement, the differences are not substantial and we cannot modify the evaluation of this KW V2 version, but it will be the best option at the release date. We will keep the same evaluation as KW V1: First Class rep high level.


-ZFac Q-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
September 2014- ZFac releases a new version of PAM 359 Q-series called ZFac V2. This rep is fitted with a new ZP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick. Maker has reduced the real balance cock to a simple bar, making it almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation.
The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the shape of the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version, but with correct orientation. Due to the characteristics of ZFac decoration the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole†is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement looks not so accurate as expected.
Anyway, this is an improvement in rep decorated movements which get better accuracy than inverted movements. Bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone seems very different. Those differences are the same in previous inverted versions but you cannot expect much improvement from the new decorated movement ZP9000-V2, leaving aside the correct layout and the correct orientation of the inscriptions.
We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous versions either from ZFac or KW. Then, at least, this is a nice improvement.
Maybe the weakening of the real balance cock, being reduced to a bar, could affect the correct working of the movement, since this bridge is the main support of the balance wheel. Indeed ZFac in a new improved movement has keep the real balance wheel in its correct size, still hidden under the regulation device and the escapement wheel, just like KW decorated movements do.
There are no visible modifications on the rest of the watch. Due to above mentioned about new V2 decorated movement, this new feature doesn’t allow an upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is a bit more accurate than previous version with inverted layout movement but cannot get a better evaluation. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class medium level just a little more accurate than previous ZFac version and with a bit less quality than KW version.


-KW-V6Fac N-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a new version of PAM 359 N-series. This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole†very accurate, getting a great gen-like appearance. With above mentioned features this KP9000-V2 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the improved Zfac decorated P.9000 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2.5
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed movement KP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5.
Regarding the rest of the watch there are no visible modifications. New KP9000-V2 decorated movement doesn’t allow an upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is more accurate than previous version with inverted layout movement but cannot get a better evaluation just because balance wheel remains placed @11 and the material is inaccurate. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep high level just more accurate than previous version and closer to Super rep status. This is the best option, together with the below indicated KW-V6Fac version fitted with decorated Seagull non-inverted layout below commented, in January 2015.


-KW-V6Fac N-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a new version rep of PAM 359 N-series the same as version above commented, but fitted with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole†very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
Regarding the rest of the watch there are no visible modifications. New KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement allows a bit upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is more accurate than previous versions with inverted layout movement, but cannot get a big increase of evaluation just because balance wheel remains placed @6 and the movement still remains inaccurate. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep high level just more accurate than previous version and closer to Super rep status. This is the best option in January 2015 together with KW-V6Fac version fitted with decorated A7750 non-inverted previously commented. Anyway, bearing in mind the placement of balance wheel @6 (closer to gen @7) and the price clearly inferior in this version, I lean towards this Seagull version.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=207349 by carlton
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=96858 by thrn

REPLICA links:
-Reps before May 2013
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam359-m-best-edition-v2/ M-series V2
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2273 M-series V2

-REPLICAS WITH DECORATED MOVEMENT
-KW V1 N-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted (*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32099
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2685
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=10831
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn359n01-359n-1950-days-auto-ssle-a7750p-p-14484.html

-Puretime type O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted Puretime type
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam359-o-11-best-edition-on-black-croc-style-leather-strap-p9000-movement/
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13932-pa13932.html

-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam359-p-zf-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9000-movement/

-KW V2 N-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/panerai/1-1-pam-359-n-series-kw-best-version.seagull-st2555/ (*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15653-pa15653-pam359-n-luminor-marina-blk-ss-lt-seagull-st255-automatic.html (*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+359&product_id=1071 (*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12081 (*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn359n02-359n-1950-days-auto-ssle-st2555-p-15825.html

-ZFac Q-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam359-q-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-zp9000/ (*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15829-pa15829-pam359-q-zf-luminor-marina-blk-ss-lt-p9000.html
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1196 (*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1576

-KW-V6Fac N-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam359-n-v6f-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9000/

-KW-V6Fac N-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2023-pam359-n-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9000.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_264.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=9914&id_categoria=8994
8-5*

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (H maker-Noob –KW V2)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (KW V4)- best option available
The PAM 360 is like a PVD version of the PAM 000 Logo and with patina lume. It is also similar to a PAM 009 but with logo. Actually the gen PAM 360 is a very different watch.
The gen PAM 360 was created and designed in 2010 (only 300 watches) with input from the Paneristi.com forum moderators and other Panerai collectors/enthusiasts. What makes this watch controversial and near impossible to find anywhere is the method by which this watch was distributed/sold. This watch was not sold in retail stores or through authorized panerai dealers. In order to get this watch, you had to be CHOSEN to receive this watch. The official process was to submit your name in a random lottery and be specially chosen to receive this watch. Although no one in the Panerai collectors community was surprised over who actually was 'chosen' to receive this watch. In any case, according to Panerai, over 2500 people entered this lottery and only 300 people received this watch
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1278000003/M8TES+ALERT+%26gt%3B%26gt%3B%26gt%3B+CODE+RED+%26gt%3B%26gt%3B+THE+MOST+EXCITING+POST+OF+MY+LIFE+%2C+PLS+PLS+READ+%26gt%3B%26gt%3B
The OP Logo is made up of the letters O and P which of course stand for Officine and Panerai. There are also two arrows in the logo - one pointing up and one pointing down-. These refer to the fact that Panerai was a specialist in manufacturing underwater products and landing aid systems. The down arrow referred to the under water (diving) products, the up arrow referred to the other tools. The high price and collectible pre-Vendome 5218-201/A, 5218-209/A and PAM 000-005-318-195-360-380-424 are the only available Panerai watches with the legend OP Logo. The gen features Pre-V type hands


There are replicas PAM 360 from H maker and regular dealers and from DSN. DSN sells this watch with Asian or Swiss movements, but its case-set is inferior to competitor and lume colour and application is not accurate, besides layout and fonts shape have inaccuracies too. DSM PAM 360 is a very good watch but just a very well built replica.
It really is very difficult to catch all the little nuances and colours of a watch like the PAM 360, and there are some differences with the gen in all versions, at least until 2013, although their quality is very good.
There are two versions of H maker PAM 360 version:
H maker V1 -with thicker markers, and had modern hands instead Pre-V type.
H maker V1.2- The second version of H maker, with thinner markers and features Pre-V type hands.
I don't like giving number of version, because there are some mixed features. Look at the hands and dial. The best of H maker is the version with correct font dial, see wider font "3" marker and thinner markers, and Pre-V type hands
More info about dials in below links of ALE’s reviews.

There is also a KW version with an accurate dial, no perfect lume colour and application and case-set similar to Hmaker and darkeness similar to H maker V1.

December 2012 -Noob announces the introduction of its PAM 360 version. Fitted with an A6497 with a correct OPII decoration.
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam360-m-noob-best-edition-on-vintage-brown-leather-strap/
Seeing the first pics it seems a good and high quality watch with convincing DLC case colour but darker than gen. It has inaccurate markers mainly the "3". And has some differences in dial layout. Read discussion thread to know the comments about this new version:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=127533 by Klockis and comments by Rwolf and ALE
Seeing the reviews, we cannot consider either this watch a Super rep, at best we have another First Class replica of this watch.
Concerning dials of H maker V1, V1.2, Noob, DSN and Kuvarsit, see this comparative thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=131720 by ALE
From above reviews we can consider that DSN has less overall quality and Hmaker- Noob and KW have some different pros and cons

Summary of evaluation of PAM 360 replicas Hmaker-Noob-KW (Jan 2013)
Evaluation of case-sets from better to worse:
-Noob
-Hmaker & KW similar
Grades of dark grey DLC colour from darker to lighter:
-KW & Hmaker V1 (almost the same)
-Noob
-GEN
-Hmaker V1.2
Evaluation of dial layout and fonts accuracy from better to worse:
-KW
-Hmaker V1.2
-Hmaker V1
-Noob
Evaluation of lume colour and application from better to worse:
-Hmaker V1.2
-Hmaker V1, Noob & KW similar
That said, it is almost impossible to get a definitive evaluation and classification of these PAM 360 reps. All them have pros and cons. We can consider then all as First Class bordering a lower status.
At the end of 2013 we still remain waiting for a Super replica of Pam 360


September 2014- KW released a new versiono of PAM 360. It was called V4
The quality of the dial is the same, the colour of the case is improved maybe the best colour available with the good quality of KW DLC coatings. The case keeps the typical KW wrong position of the lug holes. The movement is improved to a correct A6497 with OPII decoration. It was a promising watch. Unfortunately the CP is wrong, with nice finish but a really big diameter.
We are still waiting for a really correct version of Pam 360.
It is most likely the best version available but keeps the same evaluation. First Class rep bordering lower status.

Fantastic build of a Franken PAM 360 fitted with gen dial and hands (see the differences between a real gen sausage dial and the rep):
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/215045-Franken-PAM-360-Gen-Dial-and-Hands-build-photoshoot by rillz
http://www.repgeek.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13 by rillz

REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsit-watch.com/panerai/panerai-pam-360-paneristi.com-special-edition-bbq.-final-version/ KW V4
(*)http://www.kuvarsit-watch.com/panerai/panerai-pam-360-paneristi.com-special-edition-bbq.-latest-upgraded-1-1/ KW
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam360-m-noob-best-edition-on-vintage-brown-leather-strap/ Noob
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12495-pa8360b-pam360-m-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker V1.2
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13279-pa13279-pam360-m-noobfactory-1-1-best-dlc-lt-asian-6497.html Noob
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2248&ti= Hmaker V1
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2881&ti= Noob
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2880&ti= Noob
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+360&product_id=529 Hmaker V1.2
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+360&product_id=726 Noob
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=113 Noob
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=8476 Hmaker V1.2
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=8477 Hmaker V1.2
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn360m02-dlcle-black-6497-slume-p-11121.html Hmaker V1.2
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn360m01-dlcru-black-6497-slume-p-11120.html Hmaker V1.2
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=61974 DSN
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20steel%20luminor%20%20watches/Pam%20%20PVD%20360/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_280.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/luminor-panerai---paneristicom---pam00360-m--id1851113.htm?query=pam+360&suchen=Buscar&dosearch=true&searchexplain=1&resultview=list&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-360-m-luminor-paneristi-bbq-special-limited-edition-only-300-pcs-44mm-stainless-
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1278000003/M8TES+ALERT+%26gt%3B%26gt%3B%26gt%3B+CODE+RED+%26gt%3B%26gt%3B+THE+MOST+EXCITING+POST+OF+MY+LIFE+%2C+PLS+PLS+READ+%26gt%3B%26gt%3B
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP
PENDING MORE INFO TO BE ADDED
The PAM 361 rep is fitted with a Seagull ST19 SAutomatic.
It is a good watch but an inaccurate replica in many aspects
REPLICA links:
http://pure-time.com/product/pam361-flyback-chrono-on-black-rubber-strap-st19/
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_56&products_id=9952
http://www.pf-818.com/pn36101-flyback-chrono-ssle-black-st19m-p-12785.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_329
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (Noob M-series)
The PAM 363 is a Limited Edition 2010 M-series of 85 pcs. Created to be sold only though the Buenos Aires (Argentine) Boutique Panerai. Buenos Aires inscription is engraved in a solid caseback
It is a Luminor Chrono Daylight 44mm, similar in structure to a PAM 356 but the lume of markers is standard greenish instead of creamy-orange vintage and the case is finely brushed black DLC coated with Tachymeter engraved in the bezel. Big second chrono hand is blue, the same as minute chrono counter hand, similar to Regatta Special Editions. The watch has date changer pusher @10


August 2013- Noob releases a rep M-series PAM 363 in SS DLC coated. This replica is very well built and has nice finish typical of Noob. The blue colour of hands are accurate and the dial markers and inscriptions are accurate too, and feature super lume. Date fonts are also accurate. The tachymeter fonts are the same as Noob 2010 versions and are slightly different to the gen fonts. This is almost no noticeable in a black bezel.
Case is as accurate as the 2013 Noob Luminor Daylight Chronos and caseback is nicely and deeply engraved. This rep is fitted with a movement A7753 which allows a correct placement of Date Window and working date changer pusher @10.
The surface of the case is not as fine brushed as gen but is well finished enough and the overall accuracy and finsh of the watch is very good.
See pics and comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=213144 by Zoomboy
It is very difficult to get the same appearance of DLC and finish of the gen, like in other DLC coated watches, but, anyway we can consider this replica a First Class rep, medium level.

REPLICA links
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam363-m-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-a7753/ Noob M
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam363-m-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob M
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam363-m-11-noob-best-edition-on-gray-leather-strap-a7753/ Noob M
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14347-pa14347-pam363-m-daylight-black-dlc-lt-noobfactory-1-1-best-asian-7753.html Noob M
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2773&ti= Noob M
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+363&product_id=866 Noob M
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_52&products_id=11160 Noob M
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn363m01-363m-daylight-chrono-pvdle-black-asian-7753-p-14783.html Noob M
GEN links:
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-363-m-luminor-44mm-chronograph-daylight-pvddlc-buenos-aires-midnight-black-pvddl
http://9maiali.com/b/enews/2012/03/26/panerai-pam-363-buenos-aires-luminor-daylight-chronograph-pvd/
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EVALUATION: SUPER REP bordering a lower status ( Noob P )
The Gen PAM 364 is a 2013 Special Edition Limited to 500 watches.
It is a Luminor 1950 47mm Submersible, water resistant to 2500 m, made of Brushed Titanium and fitted with a Manifattura Automatic movement P.9000 with 3 days of Power reserve.
The black dial is wide, clear and highly readable, featuring applied hour markers, with stick and dot shape, coated with a luminous substance that provides a great legibility, even in extreme conditions. The small seconds sub-dial is located at the 9 o’clock position, while the date window takes the 3 o’clock position without cyclops. Hands are skeleton type. A helium escape valve is located @8 on the side of the titanium case. The dial is protected with 5.9mm thick sapphire crystal with anti-reflective coating. PAM 364 bezel is made of brushed titanium with nice polished knurling, it can be rotated in one direction (anti-clockwise), which provides the calculating of diving time on its graduated scale with minute intervals. PAM 364 bezel design is based on the 1956 model, created for the Egyptian Navy and it is very similar to PAM 193 Depth Gauge bezel.
The case and the bezel fit perfectly with a specially designed rubber strap, fastened by a large trapezoid-shaped buckle in brushed titanium.
GEN PAM 364 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Automatic mechanical, Panerai P.9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 197 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds, date, calculation of immersion time.
CASE- Diameter 47 mm, brushed titanium. Polished titanium helium valve.
BEZEL- Brushed titanium with polished edges, anti-clockwise unidirectional rotating bezel with graduated scale for calculating the time of immersion and ratchet click at minute intervals.
BACK- Screw, brushed titanium.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (protected as a trademark) Brushed titanium.
DIAL- Black with applied luminous hour markers. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, made of corundum, 5.9 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 250 bar (~ 2500 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised rubber strap and trapezoidal brushed titanium buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap, a tool for changing the strap and a steel screwdriver.

September 2014- Promoted by TSWatches Noob introduces a very good PAM 364 P-series, trying to get a high quality rep similar to PAM 243 Noob and PAM 187 Noob before middle 2012 with correctly recessed subdials.
In order to evaluate this rep I recommend read the nice review by Polonus:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=197099 by Polonus
And bellow little review:
DIAL
Layout- Dial layout is very accurate almost perfect
Markers- markers either sticks or dots are nicely finished and accurate
Inscriptions- Inscriptions are accurate without visible problems
Date – Date window is nicely finished and well placed. Date fonts seem more accurate than in other decorated movements.
Colours – Lume, dial surface and inscriptions have accurate colour and you can see it in the comparison pic from TSW
Lume- Colour is accurate and application is carefully and nicely made.
HANDS and CP
Hands- All hands (hours, minutes, seconds) are accurate in shape lume and lume colour
Cannon Pinion- This is the more polemic matter, since the CP of this watch is really weird. It has a nice flat and polished center part, then there is a deeply recessed contour and the minute hand features a rim raised contour. The final result is really weird mainly in macro pics. I really don’t understand this CP, because the movement (as we will se below) is based in a ZFac decoration and last ZFac CPs have the rim contour of the minute hand but have no recessed contour around the central part.
Fortunately, as already commented for some expert owners, this flaws is barely noticeable in practice and under the naked eye.
CRYSTAL
It is a good sapphire thick crystal nicely raised and bevelled like gen. AR is also good
CG and CROWN
Overall CG is accurate and very well finished
CG overall shape is very accurate and has some chamfered corners very gen-like
Lever- Is accurate in shape and roller support and tip is shaped like gen, just the rep lever edges are sharper. The fitting with the CG is very good.
CG Pin- it is nice, flat and well polished
REG. T.M. inscriptions- Inscriptions are accurate in placement and fonts. Maybe they are a little less deep than gen ones. But they are very good in general
Crown and crown tube- They are accurate and well finished
BEZEL
Bezel overall shape and finish are very gen like and material is solid Titanium like gen
Knurling- The knurling of the bezel is very well machined and finished having nice polished surfaces like gen. This is an important feature of this watch and Noob has made a good job on it.
Markers- Stick and dots are very well made and accurate, nicely finished like gen. Dots black numerals are also accurate and well defined
Minute markers from 12 to 3- This part is a characteristic of this watch, because it is the first time that Officine PANERAI uses this type of minute markers.
The shape and size are accurate but the rep is not as well finished as gen and the markers contours are not as sharp and well defined. But at the real size this is few noticeable and we can say this part is good enough
Pearl- As we can see from the pics there are some differences between rep and gen pearl. I have studied both triangles by a Photoshop arrangement and I can say that both triangles seem equilateral and have the same dimension, but gen triangle has the sides a bit curved outwards and the upper surface is not flat but a little embossed with a shape falling to the sides and to the pearl contour.
Gen pearl is a bit recessed and this effect is enhanced due to the embossed shape of the triangle.
Rep triangle sides are completely straight, upper surface is flat and pearl is placed flush with this surface. Besides for some reason (maybe due to the straight sides) the rep pearl is placed a bit displaced to the upper side. All things together give to rep triangle the appearance of being isosceles, but it really is equilateral.
The finish and appearance are good and above mentioned differences are not noticeable without a carefully side by side comparison.
Working of rotation- Following the info from owners, the working of the bezel rotation is very good, with solid feel when rotating, with no gaps.
CASE
Accuracy & Finish- As usually in Noob reps the shape and the finish of the case are really good with sharp edges and well defined contours. The material obviously is solid Titanium like gen. Fitting with CG is good leaving aside some gaps, above mentioned, in the sides. Fitting with bezel and caseback are very good as usually in Noob
CASEBACK
Caseback is very well built and is made of solid Titanium nicely finished with strong gen like appearance. This caseback is a good Noob job as usually.
Layout – The caseback layout is almost perfect with very little differences with gen, completely impossible to be detected without enlargement and Photoshop comparison or similar.
Engravings- Are very nice, deep and dark like gen. Fonts are accurate enough to make almost impossible telling the rep.
MOVEMENT
The movement is a decorated A7750 like P.3000. It is clear that the movement is the same as used for ZFac with very little modifications and using like in ZFac PAM 382 V1 “real†jewels instead of painted ones. Fonts of CAL P.3000 are inaccurate in the same way as ZFac movements. The decoration of balance cock is the same as Zfac with very little modifications (change of screw position and a bigger hole to see the Incabloc system).
As already commented with PAM 389, since the caseback is closed, using a decorated movement with all inherent problems and costs seems unnecessary. A decorated movement is well received but maybe people would prefer low prices and more reliability.
Anyway good attempt from Noob and this movement increases accuracy when you open the watch.

EVALUATION- Noob gets with this PAM 364 a very nice watch and a fantastic rep.
From my taste and IMHO, this PAM 364 makes unnecessary a good replica o PAM 305. Because it is relatively similar but have some aesthetic improvements.
PAM 364 Bezel is more like old historical PAM Submersibles like Egiziano and also similar to PAM 024-025-199-106-170-239-087, it is in the same line of PAM 187-194 and it is completely inspired on PAM 183 Depth Gauge. In my opinion this bezel catchs better the Pam Submersible sprit and seems nicer.
It is a pity the weird Cannon Pinion because, with a correct CP, this watch could be at the same level of Noob PAM 243. Or even better because we should bear in mind that PAM 243 has a narrower polished external upper edge on the bezel, really noticeable if you knows this issue even more than the small detail of a wrong CP.
As far as I can see, even with the flaws above commented, this Noob PAM 364 surpasses PAM 389 ZFac and, of course, PAM 382 either KW or ZFac (whatever is the version). Noob PAM 364 is a new Super Rep to be placed just after the Noob PAM 243 V2. With a correct CP and better pearl it would be the best rep of PAM Submersible available so far. Due to the little flaws above mentioned the final evaluation would be Super rep bordering lower status.

Introduction by TSW
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192982 by TimeShop
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192984 by TimeShop
More info PAM 364 P-series Noob here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=236975 by jonnyknox
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=238026by Puretime
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192992&p=1945048#post-1945048 by hado67
Nice review and pictorial
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=197099 by Polonus

REPLICA links:
http://pure-time.com/product/pam364-p-titanium-noob-11-best-edition-on-rubber-strap-p9000/ Noob P
http://www.tswatchltd.com/15738-pa15738-pre-order-pam364-p-luminor-submersible-1950-2500m-noobfactory-1-1-best-p9000.html Noob P
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1186 Noob P
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?P_id=3290&ti= Noob P
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1562 Noob P
http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=12339 Noob P
http://www.pf-818.com/pn364p01-submersible-tile-a7750p9000-p-16137.html Noob P
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_350.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2013/538-luminor-submersible-1950-2500m-3-days-automatic-titanio-pam00364
http://9maiali.com/product-panerai-pam-364-luminor-submersible-2500m-3-days-titan-1950-47mm-se-1000-pc/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1381746342/PAM+364
http://www.timezone.com/2013/01/23/officine-panerai-at-sihh-2013-by-paul-boutros/
http://www.thewatchquote.com/Panerai-Luminor-Submersible-1950-2500m-3-Days-Automatic-Titanio-47mm-A-professional-instrument-of-exceptional-performance-No_9877.htm
http://www.watchalyzer.com/sihh/sihh-2013/panerai-revealed-four-special-editions/
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EVALUATION- LOW GRADE REPLICA. But nice and well made watch
The impressive gen PAM 365 also called L’Astronomo, is a Luminor 1950 50mm Equation of time Tourbillon, made of Titanium but with the possibility of getting Red Gold or White Gold case on request, it was introduced in the SHHI 2010.
Below description is from:
http://basel.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-636/pi-3599536/ti-578916/s-0/
Dedicated to fans of technical grand complications, the Luminor 1950 Equation of Time Tourbillon Titanio – 50 mm by Officine Panerai is a tribute to the genius of Galileo Galilei, a combination of some of the rarest, most exclusive and fascinating specialities in watch-making.
Produced in just 30 examples, the Luminor 1950 Equation of Time Tourbillon Titanio – 50 mm is the most technically sophisticated wristwatch ever produced by Officine Panerai: a tourbillon with equation of time, indication of sunrise and sunset times for the city chosen by the purchaser and depiction of the night sky of the same city on the back plate.
The watch functions are immediate and clear on the dial: a date window at 3 o’clock, alongside a tiny dial that shows the month with a hand; sunset time; equation of time; sunrise time and finally small seconds at 9 o’clock, where the rotation of the tourbillon with a tiny ecru disc is visible through a small dial. Times for sunrise and sunset are shown by two cursors that run along numbered circular sectors and vary depending not only on the seasons but also on the latitude chosen by the purchaser. The dial has the classic Panerai sandwich structure, guaranteeing exceptional night-time visibility thanks to the luminescent substance inserted between the two layers.

Equation of time is the difference between the time shown by the watch, which is that universally adopted for ease and real or solar time, which varies every day due to the eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit and the inclination of its axis. 4 days a year, these two times coincide perfectly but on all the other days they actually differ by up to 15 minutes, either faster or slower. The linear cursor at 6 o’clock immediately shows this time difference and this calculation is a speciality of top-end watchmaking and a feature that very few watches have.
Other indications can be seen through the sapphire glass on the lower part of the movement P.2005/G, based on the Officine Panerai P.2005 in-house calibre, modified to include new functions. With 375 components, the P.2005/G calibre features a typical Panerai tourbillon regulator, which can be admired from the back, turning on an axis perpendicular to the axis of the balance and making two rotations a minute, instead of one. With three spring barrels, it has a manual-wound movement and ensures 4 days’ autonomy, with the remaining power reserve shown by a hand, this too visible on the back.
The last hugely fascinating element that completes the personality and refinement of this model, is the map of the sky on the lower part of the mechanism. The disc that shows the map rotates in one direction or the other, depending on the hemisphere chosen, thus constantly updating the night sky above the city chosen by the purchaser. The name of the city is also engraved on the back, together with the millesimation.
The watch’s Luminor 1950 case is 50 mm in diameter, in titanium so that it weighs less, but clients can also choose a pink gold case. Waterproof to 10 bar (about 100 metres), the case has the typical crown-protecting bridge, brushed titanium like the case body, while the anti-reflective sapphire crystal is held in place by a bezel with contrasting polished finish.
The Luminor 1950 Equation of Time Tourbillon Titanio – 50 mm comes with an alligator strap and the classic buckle customised with the Officine Panerai logo.

Technical Features:
Movement: Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.2005/G calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 16¼ lignes, 11.04 mm thick, 46 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. KIF Parechoc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 4 days, three barrels. 375 components.
Functions: Hours, minutes, small seconds, date, month indicator, sunrise and sunset, equation of time, power reserve indicator and star disk on the back , tourbillon.
Case: Diameter 50 mm, brushed titanium. Available in Pink Gold or White Gold on request.
Bezel: Polished titanium.
Back: See-through sapphire crystal.
Device protecting the crown: (protected as a Trademark) Brushed titanium.
Dial: Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. Date and month indicator at 3 o’clock, small seconds and tourbillon indicator at 9 o’clock, Equation of time indicator at 6 o’clock. Sunrise indicator at 8 o’clock and sunset indicator at 4 o’clock on the outer flange.
Crystal: Sapphire, made from corundum, 2 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
Water-resistance: 10 bar (100 metres).
Strap: PANERAI personalised alligator strap and adjustable brushed titanium buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap, a tool to change the strap and a steel screwdriver.
See this VIDEO of gen PAM 365

May 2013- The first decent replica of this PAM 365 is released. It is made of SS instead of Titanium, fitted with cheap Asian 21J movement ST 2555. Obviously with such a movement nothing works, except hours and minute hands, seconds subdial @9 and date with very inaccurate font and window, even day of date is not working.
It is a nicely built watch and even a first superficial sight can fool a untrained eye, but a bit closer inspection will be enough to tell the rep.
Caseback inspection will be definitive.

Being purist a replica of such watch makes no sense. It is not possible even getting a little approach to this watch. And maybe the best solution is the way taken by KW: a cheap movement and a well finished and nice decorated watch, no more ambitions.
As you can see the movement, obviously, is very different. There is a big dead hollow instead the impressive gen tourbillon, the rep star disk is like a toy and the PR indicator is badly copied.
Sandwich dial is beautiful and well finished, although only three hands (hours-minutes-seconds) of a total of eight functions on dial. In comparison with the gen rep dial is almost dead.
Anyway the overall result is good enough for the price.
To summarize a very nice and huge 50mm watch with a beautiful look and appearance but, obviously, very low grade replica.
Just for beginners without ambitions

REPLICA links:
http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32096
http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32095
http://pure-time.com/product/pam365-luminer-equation-of-time-ss-on-brown-asso-strap-a2813/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13773-pa13773.html
http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=10803
GEN links:
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2010/358-l-astronomo-luminor-1950-equation-of-time-tourbillon-titanio-pam36500
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Specialties_276.html
http://www.worldwatchreview.com/2010/01/21/sihh-2010-panerai-luminor-1950-equation-of-time-tourbillon-titanio-pam365/
http://basel.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-636/pi-3599536/ti-578916/s-0/
http://www.relojes-especiales.com/foros/showthread.php/155040-PAM-365-L-Astronomo-Luminor-1950-Tourbillon-GMT
http://www.maquinasdeltiempo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/pam_365_panerai.pdf
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2011/5/4/the-panerai-lastronomo-the-most-complicated-panerai-in-all-t.html
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP hig level (M-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (M-series Noob)
The PAM 366 “Fu†is similar to a PAM 005 without Logo and with a Chinese character @6 instead the number and has a Luminova cream patina.
This watch is dedicated to China, the same as the PAM 367, but in this watch the chinese character @6 has been replaced with the traditional "6" and, however, it has too a cream patina. See more related watches in PAM 005.
Really as you can see in the thread by “PolonusTM†the numeral markers of above mentioned watches (PAM366-367-005) are different.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=107423by Polonus TM
You can see an interesting review of this watch in above thread.
These watches are Luminor Marina with Solid caseback and fitted with OP II movement.
The first good replica of this watch was the M-series H maker version and we can consider them First Class replicas high level.

January 2013 -Noob factory introduce its version, seemingly similar quality of H maker but fitted with a 6497 decorated OPII and better Noob case This is also a First Class replica bordering Super rep status.

PAM 366 “FU†REPLICA FROM NOOB
More info about this Noob verison and comments about h maker here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=132419by Rwolf
And:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=130688 by well
-How to tell the differences between GEN-Noob-H maker versions by ALE:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1578622&postcount=19 by ALE
extracted from the thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=157409 by Yandex
As some times happens Noob version has better case and CG by far, but dial H maker accuracy is superior.

REPLICA links:
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam366-m-fu-11-noob-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap/ Noob
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13355-pam366-m-noobfactory-best-1-1-ss-lt-asian-6497.html Noob
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12499-pa8390b-pam366-m-fu-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html H maker
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11651-pa9288-pam366m-fu-luminor-marina-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497.html H maker
(*)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2305&ti H maker
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?P_id=2562&ti= Noob
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+366&product_id=733 Noob
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+366&product_id=564 H maker
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=103 Noob
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=9109 H maker
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6956 H maker
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_281.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/luminor-marina-special-edition-dedicated-to-china-pam366m--id1977739.htm?query=pam+366&suchen=Buscar&dosearch=true&searchexplain=1&resultview=list&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
http://news.watchprosite.com/?show=forumpost&ti=640156&fi=112&s=0
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (M-series H maker)
The PAM 367 is similar to a PAM 005 without Logo and has a Luminova cream patina.
This watch is dedicated to China, the same as the PAM 366, but in 366 there is a chinese character @6 replacing the traditional "6" and, however, it has too a cream patina. See more related watches in PAM 005.
Really as you can see in the thread by “PolonusTM†the numeral markers of above mentioned watches (PAM366-367-005) are different.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=107423 by Polonus TM
You can see an interesting review of the PAM 366 and some info about PAM 367 in above thread.
These watches are Luminor Marina with Solid caseback and have First Class replicas of high level in the market M-series from H maker.
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/luminor-marina-se-china---pam00367-m--id1866601.htm
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12502-pa8410b-pam367-m-fu-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker M
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+367&product_id=558 Hmaker M
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=8699 Hmaker M
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=6682 Hmaker M
GEN links:
http://www.9maiali.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1765
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/luminor-marina-se-china---pam00367-m--id1866601.htm
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP (good quality watch - read comments)
The gen PAM 369 is a Radiomir Chronograph of 42mm introduced by Panerai in 2011 N-series. The gen has Minute counter @9 and seconds sub-dial @3 in a sausage black dial. This watch is fitted with the movement OP XII hidden by a solid caseback.
From June 2012 there is a replica fitted with a very good movement Seagull ST19 but has Display caseback instead of Solid like the gen. Furthermore, it has wrong dial arrangement with seconds sub-dial @9 and minute counter @3. Read about that here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=179731
See below pic:

Since the maker has fitted this replica with a very good movement, we can expect a good quality watch, but we have a very inaccurate replica due of above mentioned issues. A maker decision difficult to understand. Low grade replica in a very high quality watch.

REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam369-ss-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-st19/
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam369-ss-black-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-st19/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13853-pam369-radiomir-chronograph-black-ss-lt-asian-sea-gull-7750.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_323.html
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EVALUATIONS:
LOW GRADE REPS (All versions before June 2013)
Just GOOD REP (SF and H maker versions N-series w/decorated A6497-2 similar to P.3000)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP of low level (Noob P-series w/decorated A6497-2 similar to P.3000) the best option regarding dial and caseset
(*) FIRST CLASS REP of low level (SF N-series w/P.3000 Clone1)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP of low level (SF N-series w/P.3000 Clone2)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP of low level (SF N-series w/P.3000 Clone3)
Just a GOOD REP (KW-V6Fac N-series (announced P-series) with decorated A6497)
Just a GOOD REP (KW-V6Fac N-series “improved†with decorated A6497)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP of low level (ZFac O-series w/ P.3000 Clone4) worse dial than Noob but much more accurate movement
The PAM 372 is a Luminor 1950 case Power Reserve 3days introduced in 2011 N-series. From 2014 there is a Lefty version of PAM 372, is the PAM 557
The gen watch has a Polished SS very special New 1950 47mm case with Polished SS bezel, display caseback, Black sandwich dial with golden hands, no seconds sub-dial and no date. It has a Dome shape thick Plexi crystal. This watch is fitted with a P.3000 3 days P.R. movement.
The hands have the so-called "double pencil" shape, i.e. both the tip of the hands and the part were the hands connect to the center pin are pointed. And the LUMINOR PANERAI inscription on dial is nicely engraved in the gen.

The shape of the new gen 1950 case is different in comparison to the regular 1950 case (have some Radiomir like inspiration) and the lugs are thinner than usual. The PAM 372, although labeled "1950" by Panerai, is inspired on the venerable 6154, aka Egizziano piccolo. The sides of the 372's case is sharply curved with a midium "edge", just like the 6154 (and to a lesser extent, the 6152). The 6152/1 has no such "edge" and is closer to "1950" cases. The only glaring difference is that the 6154 had no Crown Guard. A total of 30 6154s were made in 1954, all with the Rolex 618 caliber. These models featured a Plexi crystal, and due to that the PAM 372 is fitted with a Plexi too.
An interesting detail is that this watch has like the PAM 359 all polished 1950's style case, however all other watches with this type of 1950 case are brushed, usually in combination with a polished steel bezel. Examples are the PAM 233, 270, 127, 312, 320 and so on. The crown guard with its Reg.TM.engraving however is brushed.
The new case of the PAM 372 has a new type number OP 6835 engraved between the lugs at the 6 o'clock position.
There are other different engravings for this watch: the depth rating (100 meters) is engraved in the underside of one of the lugs, the BB number is engraved in one of the other lugs, and the model number (PAM00372) is engraved between the lugs at the 12 o'clock position.


-REPLICAS BEFORE 2013 WRONG CASE SHAPE
The gen PAM 372 is a watch hard to copy due to its complicated movement P.3000 with a display caseback and its very special and complicated shape
Unfortunately the first replicas, until 2013, of this watch are Low grade replicas, they have completely inaccurate case shape, crystal, engravings, printed LUMINOR PANERAI on dial instead of engraved, movement, etc…See below the details of a gen PAM 372

And enjoy below link, by courtesy of Jaybo, with a lot of pics of this fantastic gen watch:
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=6504110&rid=0#msg_6504110
We must consider these "old" replicas as Bad Low grade replicas. They are not at all an advisable purchase


-REPLICAS WITH DECORATED and CLONE MOVEMENTS AND CORRECT CASE SHAPE

-SF and H maker versions N-series w/decorated A6497-2 similar to P.3000
June 2013- SF and the Cartel TT/PClones from H maker released, at the same time, two replica versions N-series of this watch. With correct case shape, engraved LUMINOR PANERAI on dial, quite correct engravings between lugs @6 and @12, the depth rating (100 meters) is correctly engraved in the underside of one of the lugs, the BB number is engraved in one of the other lugs and A6497 decorated movement like a Panerai P.3000.
This “new†decorated movement is an esthetical approach to the gen P.3000, but in my opinion is not at all a first step to the real clone P.3000. Due to different layout of 6497 and P.3000, the decorated movement has a P.3000 inverted layout. As you can see in below Figure with two crowns at the top.

DECORATED MOVEMENT A6497 LIKE A PANERAI P.3000 – see inverted layout

There are some threads started about this matter:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=128534 by ryanwayer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=130164 by mojojojay
Nice idea and good solution this 6497 movement decorated like a P.3000.
We can say, from the available data, that these replicas are a willful attempt, but the result lacks of the care and precisión of the best current replicas. They seem a little hurried releases fighting in the market. A good and really very nice watch and just a good replica, but nothing more.
Both versions have pros and cons and it is difficult to say which is the best one. It will depend on personal taste.
- CP is better in Cartel version with chromed colour whereas PT version has wrong golden colour . In August 2013 in PT having chromed CP
- LUMINOR PANERAI engraving on dial is one of the most characteristic features of this watch. It is better in Puretime version with clearly deeper engraving (but less tan gen) and more accurate colour and fonts. Both engravings have thinner fonts tan gen. "E" is very different in gen. Oddly final "R" on LUMINOR is narrower in gen than the "R" on PANERAI, but this is only respected by PT version. Cartel version has the two "R" the same, the final "R" is a bit wider than gen and PANERAI "R" is narrower than gen.
- Hands are overall wider than gen in both versions (and then lume is wider too). Cartel version minute hand is even wider than Noob. Both hour hands are very similar and are a bit longer than gen. Read for more info:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210596&p=2306551&viewfull=1#post2306551 by ALE
- Lever tip has inner corner sharper in PT version whereas in Cartel version both corners are very rounded.
- CG seems accurate in two version but the REG. T.M. have in both narrower fonts and are wrong placed in the CG surface. PT has better fonts but worse placement.
- Engravings of PAM 00372 model and OP 6835 case number between lugs @12 and @6 have more accurate fonts and spaces between characters in PT version, besides this version seems having better quality of engraving with more clean and crisp contours.
- Crystal is acceptable in both watches but a little sharper bevelled and maybe thicker.
- Sandwich dial and markers is accurate, but Cartel rep has a more vintage colour in markers, it is less accurate IMO and has more difference with the LP engraving colour. In this regard I prefer PT rep. L SWISS L is more wither in PT rep, Cartel version is more accurate in this regard.
- Case shape is the best feature of these reps and it is a good attempt to reach the gen. But the reps have a less sharper and marked middle "edge" of the case detaching lower and upper shapes. PT rep has a crisper "edge" and I like that. To be confirmed by future reviews, because I have seen variations between some watches.
- Movement: here the winner is Cartel version, it has better fitting between decoration bridges with uniform gaps between them. PT bridges have uneven gaps and sometimes they almsot touch between them. PT has also inaccurate blue screws (already corrected from August 20913). However PT bridges have better engravings and finish and they seem better glued becuase Cartel has showed some watches with loose bridges.
Whats the best version? It depends on personale taste.
I think that LUMINOR PANERAI engraving on dial is very important for this watch and PT is way better in this regard, PT has also crisper case edges and middle "edge", very important too for this watch. I would prefer PT version, removing the blue colour of movement screws and the golden colour of the CP (these flaws are already corrected from August 2013)
August 2013- Angus of Puretime confirmed that his maker has already corrected CP and Movement screws to chromed colour
Links to info threads:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=217649 Very good comparison Hmaker-gen by PeteM
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam372-angus-156063?p=1562409&posted=1 Comparison PT version vs. Cartel version by mysterio
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam-372-151573?p=1507247 Cartel version Review from PolonusTM
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=149075 good pics PT version – video – comparisons to gen, by cwazy
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=149687 by gaizka
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-372-perfect-150641?p=1496740#post-1496740 by Pangasius good pics Cartel version
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=148403 by mysterio
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=149321 by timefollower1
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=54776 by mysterio
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56538 good pics PT version by Sardonix
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=209026 by denisegold
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=208380 by ATEspo
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=152064 very good pictorial Cartel versión by ebzen
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=152469?p=1517736 interesting disassembling by omgiv
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=211011 some comments about different versions by tessa
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=178556pictorial and review of Cartel version by silverclaw


- Noob P-series w/decorated A6497-2 similar to P.3000
October 2013- Noob released PAM 372 P-series w/ decorated A6497-2 similar to P.3000
- As I expected there are no modifications on movement. It seems a decoration based in PT previous decoration bridges with the screws already chromed. The only change is that CAL. P.3000 bridge has two jewels instead of three like PT version
- Therefore in movement the same accuracy of PT previous version with worse fitting of decoration bridges than H maker.
- Better engraving LP on dial with good colour. Fonts are almost perfect, thick like gen, I cannot see the depth but seems better than previous versions. Just the transition edges of the fonts are not so crisp as gen ones (see below pics angles marked with orange arrow for example). LP inscription is better in general than previous versions.

- Better crystal shape
- Case and caseback seem good with P-series engraving
- Better hands (with a bit rounded edges) but better width and lume width
- It seems that engravings between lugs are very depth, even more than gen, but more accurate than previous versions
- Strap seems improved
Provisional conclusion:
Overall better version mainly regarding LP inscription accuracy and colour (it is really important on this watch), better engravings between lugs and crystal shape.
Movement is in practice the same as Puretime version and with a bit worse fitting between decoration bridges than H maker.
Fantastic pictorial and little review of Noob version here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221999 by kilowattore
another nice Pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=181233&p=1829569#post-1829569 by gianton
Comparison of CP with gen and next Clone movement version
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=225965 by josh_w
Provisional classification from better to worse:
- Noob
- Puretime (with corrected chromed CP and movement screws)
- H maker
H maker has just a bit better fitting movement decoration bridges, nothing more
We can consider this PAM 372 Noob version a First Class rep of low level.
Some threads with info:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/noob-pam-372-161347?p=1654438 by leandin
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=161347 by leandin
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210596&page=16 by watchmaniac
NOTE: It is no possible to adapt the P.3000 Clone to a Noob case. Read info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=225186 by projectologist


-SF N-series w/P.3000 Clone1
December 2013- SF releases a PAM 372 N-series the same as June Puretime version but fitted with a Clone1 P.3000 movement, with two barrels and about 7 days of Power reserve. It is a new step in replica movements.
It is a clone movement not 100% replicated and most likely based in another existent movement
Balance Wheel position is the same as gen and overall accuracy is quite acceptable. Much more than current decorated movements. Besides it is fitted with double barrel to get 72hrs. of Power Reserve (following indications from maker)
See below pic:

COMPARISON P.3000 CLONE1 WITH GEN P.3000

There are many things to improve but it seems a new step in the right direction
- The watch-base is the old version from Puretime released on June 2013. With the same pros and cons
- Jewels and screws are not all placed in the same positions
- Screws are rounded instead of flat
- Gear train are no visible like in gen
- Bridges have some differences of shape
- Canon pinion is much smaller
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=225965 by josh_w
- Bridges inscriptions are inaccurate regarding fonts and size.
- Balance Wheel double bridge is not completely shape accurate
IMO it is a good step, but it is a pity to spend a lot of money and time making a good approach to a gen movement and to ruin the result with SILLY flaws

*****Fantastic and definitive Review of the "clone" movement by Rolexman:******************************************************
http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/166048-movement-review-pam-372-p3000-super-clone/
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=168936&p=1704599#post-1704599
Following Rolexman information, this is a new movement no based in other existent movements, with real two barrels, manufacture made carefully with good materials and likely made with some differences to avoid legal problems regarding patents. Different smaller CP would be just a sloppiness. As always many time and money spend to get finally SILLY flaws. But read the review because there are many interesting things to show this is a real step to the clone movement not a simple decoration.
Working issues of Clone P.3000 movement here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=223141 by tessa
NOTE: It is no possible to adapt the P.3000 Clone to a Noob case. Read info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=225186 by projectologist
The rest of the watch presents the flaws as follows:
DIAL
-LUMINOR PANEARI engraving is thinner and less deep than gen. It has some inaccurate fonts. “Eâ€font is very different. It is the same inscription as in PAM 557 Clone
-Markers are thinner in general. “3†has wider font.
-Overall layout is not bad but has some differences like “12†marked placed clearly to the right side
-L SWISS L colour is more white like in Puretime old version
CASEBACK
-Overal accurate but les crsip and depp engravings
HANDS and CANNON PINION
-Hands are a bit wider and lume is wider too, mainly in minute hand
-Cannon Pinion is clearly smaller
CROWN GUARD
-T.M - REG. inscriptions in CG have wider fonts, less deep engraving and are relatively well placed
-Lever tip shape is wrong with sharper inner edge
CASE
-Middle “edge†is not as shard and nicely defined as in gen case
-There are more little differences, but case shape is overall accurate and nicely finished
CRYSTAL is acceptable but with a little sharper bevelled and maybe a bit thicker
More info here:
PAM 372 Puretime with Clone vs. H maker pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170104 by Luigipetrone
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=167870&p=1692569&posted=1#post-1692569 by ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=220561by ekovalsky
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=220568 by ekovalsky
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221158 by mikewatch
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170985 by Blacksteel
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=226408 by PLOPROFCOMEX
Interesting side by side comparison "clone" Rep- Gen here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=169085 by psychospike
This is a replica very well manufactured and nicely finished and the appearance is very good despite its flaws. It is a bit worse than PAM 557 Clone due to a worse movement Clone1 but the production number has the correct “N†letter of 2011 year. In my opinion First Class rep low level.


-SF N-series w/P.3000 Clone2
July 2014- SF version PAM 372 N-series firstly fitted with the P.3000 Clone1 gets an improvement, because from this date is fitted with an improved P.3000 Clone2 movement, closer to the gen, with all inscriptions on bridges corrected in fonts and placement, just like the new PAM 448. Last version Clone1 released in December 2013, had completely wrong fonts and position of above mentioned inscriptions.
Therefore new P.3000 Clone2 is closer to gen due to those improved inscriptions.
The rest of the Clone2 is the same as Clone1, it has two barrels and about 7 days of Power Reserve. It is a clone movement not 100% replicated and most likely based in another existent movement. Balance Wheel position is the same as gen and overall accuracy is quite acceptable. Much more than current decorated movements.
To illustrate accuracy and improvements of Clone2 in relation to the gen and Clone1, see below pic

COMPARISON OF P.3000 CLONE1 – GEN - CLONE2 – Note the improvement of inscriptions from Clone1 to Clone2 in relation to the Gen

As seen in Clone1 there are still many things to improve in this Clone2 movement but it seems another new step in the right direction, although the brushing of two decoration main movement bridges have a bit different alignment in Clone2 (it is few noticeable and it is hit and miss, most likely will disappear in next batches)
Since this improvement was not officially announced by the maker or dealers, they are not “obligated†to deliver this Clone2. Therefore, and mainly first months from this improvement, you should be careful with QC pics from dealers, in order to assure you will receive a Clone2 in your PAM 372 Clone.
See the info about this improvement in below posts by ernien:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=189054&p=1904150&viewfull=1#post-1904150 by ernien
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=189054&p=1905501&viewfull=1#post-1905501 by ernien
Little step forward improving the accuracy of the watch. We will keep the evaluation: First Class rep low level.


-SF N-series w/P.3000 Clone3
September 2014- SF maker released a PAM 372 N-series fitted with the improved P.3000 Clone3.
We knew the SF releases above mentioned of PAM 372 N-series.
June 2013- version fitted with decorated A6497 movement.
Dec 2013- version fitted with the P.3000 Clone1
July 2014- version fitted with the P.3000 Clone2 with corrected inscriptions
This new version which is exactly the same as previous ones but fitted with the new Clone3.
This improved P.3000 Clone3 movement, closer to the gen, with all inscriptions on bridges corrected in fonts and placement, and with added “jewels†decoration on CAL.P.3000 bridge. Last version Clone2 previously released, had nonexisting “jewels†decoration. New P.3000 Clone3 is closer to gen due to this improved decoration but unfortunately added “jewels†are bigger than gen and the colour is clearly lighter. Besides “jewels†placement is wrong in relation to the gen.
To illustrate accuracy and improvements of Clone3 in relation to the gen and Clone2, see below pic

COMPARISON OF P.3000 CLONE2 – CLONE3 – GEN - Note the added decoration “jewels†bigger and lighter than gen jewels

The rest of the movement remains the same and all comments above done about the Clone1 are valid for Clone2 and Clone3, leaving aside, obviously, the modifications.
Since the new movement has still flaws and the movement remains clearly inaccurate we cannot change the overall evaluation. We can consider this rep a bit better than previous version Clone2, but it continues being a First Class rep low level IMO.


-KW-V6Fac N-series (announced P-series) with decorated A6497
February 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep of PAM 372. This version is announced as P-series but the reps are really marked N-series in all pics. This rep is fitted with the decorated A6497-2 similar to P.3000. This movement is the same used by Puretime in first version from October 2013, it has even the wrong blue screws of first batches from Puretime. You can consult pics in above comments of that rep from Puretime.
Therefore the movement is really inaccurate and the blue screws increase this inaccuracy (the worst movement of all the good reps of PAM 372).
Regarding the rest of the watch I think that caseset is quite good, even it seems accurate and well finished and has a nice appearance. But dial is really inaccurate with markers and hand lume very dark and yellowish. The engraving LUMINOR PANEARAI is good but the fonts are thinner than gen. This inaccuracy of colour is not acceptable in a modern replica and that together with the inaccurate movement doesn’t allow a good evaluation of this rep.
You can see some comments in below thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=202916 by ddcha
reading from post #23.
There is in above posts a comment from the German forum Zeitgeist about the quality of this rep. I honestly think this rep is not so bad as commented in Zeitgeist, but the dial colours are really bad.
Just a Good rep only due to a good quality of construction.


-KW-V6Fac N-series “improved†with decorated A6497
June 2015- KW-V6Fac released an “improved†version of above commented rep. It is now announced as N-series and the watches are marked N-series too. I cannot see any improvement, leaving aside a bit more thick engravings of LUMINOR PANERAI fonts, even movement screws remain of blue colour. Evaluation remains the same: Just a Good rep.


-ZFac O-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
April 2015- ZFac released a rep PAM 372 O-series fitted with the P.3000 Clone4. This movement features a more accurate size of decoration “jewels†and better colour (although far from perfect). “Jewels†placement is now really improved in relation with the bridges, it is really close to the gen and close to the best possible achievable from the shape of clone movement bridges.
Below Figure shows the overall comparison of Clone3, Clone4 and gen. We can see the noticeable improvement regarding accuracy of “jewels†and overall placement.

CLONE3 – CLONE4 – GEN COMPARISON

ZFac has used the best movement available at the release date for this rep. Unfortunately, the rest of the watch is not accordingly with the movement and has some important flaws not allowing an evaluation upgrading. Dial colours and engravings on dial are a bit worse than Noob version. CG is ZFac type and really worse than Noob. CP is also worse than previous versions but in final batches nicely finished. Case and lugs are nicely finished but not as accurate as Noob. Crystal is very similar to Noob, bezel is OK. Caseback and engravings at the same level of other versions. Hands and hands lume almost the same as Noob of SF.
Therefore leaving aside movement this ZFac rep adds nothing to previous versions. We can compensate the improvements on movement with the flaws on the rest of the watch and to give an evaluation of F¡rst Class rep low level.
This PAM 372 rep is available with Plexi crystal (like gen) or with a nice and durable, but different from the gen, crystal made of sapphire (extra cost about 100-110$)
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/219144-ZF-Pam-372-superclone-movement-p3000 by rkk1
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=251302 by HalCyon
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/219090-Preorder-ZF-pam372 by sealijang
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/222462-anybody-tried-new-372-from-ZFac by snowykim
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/215652-New-ZF-372-case-photos by Teris

REPLICA links:

-REPLICAS BEFORE 2013 WRONG CASE SHAPE
http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam372n-lite/ wrong shape low grade

-REPLICAS WITH DECORATED and CLONE MOVEMENTS AND CORRECT CASE SHAPE

-Puretime and H maker versions N-series w/decorated A6497-2 similar to P.3000)
http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam372-n-11-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-a6497/ PT decorated A6497 version
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13998-pam372-luminor-1950-black-ss-lt-asian-1-1-p3000.html PT decorated A6497 versión
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+372&product_id=850 Hmaker decorated A6497 version
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1180 PT decorated A6497 version
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=10935 Hmaker decorated A6497 version
http://www.pf-818.com/pn372n01-1950-ssle-black-a6497-superlume-p-14555.html Hmaker decorated A6497 version

-Noob P-series w/decorated A6497-2 similar to P.3000)
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam372-p-11-noob-best-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000/
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14663-pa14663-pam372-p-1-1-best-noobfactory-ss-lt-p3000.html
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+372&product_id=900
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1333

-SF N-series w/P.3000 Clone1- Clone2
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam372-n-11-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000-super-clone/ Sold out
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2941
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=933

-SF N-series w/P.3000 Clone3
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam372-n-sf-11-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000-super-clone-v2/
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15847-pa15847-pam372-n-v2-ss-lt-p3000-functional-3-days-power-reserve.html
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1367

-KW-V6Fac N-series (announced P-series) with decorated A6497
http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/kw-products/panerai/1-1-best-edition-panerai-pam372-p.3000-from-kw/http://puretime.watch/product/pam372-p-11-v6f-best-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/16342-pa16342-pam372-p-1-1-v6f-black-dial-ss-p3000.html

-KW-V6Fac N-series “improved†with decorated A6497
http://www.tswatchltd.com/17215-pa17215-pam372-n-v6f-1-1-ss-lt-p3000.html

-ZFac O-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam372-o-11-zf-best-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000-super-clone/
(*)http://www.ts-station.co/16877-pa16877-pre-order-pam372-o-zf-1-1-super-clone-ss-lt-p3000.html
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1499 Plexi crystal
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1601 sapphire crystal
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2005-pam372-o-1-1-zf-best-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000-super-clone.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_291.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=10559&id_categoria=10539
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=6504110&rid=0#msg_6504110
8-5*

EVALUATION: LOW-GRADE REP
Panerai introduced at the 2011 SIHH three impressive Radiomir 47mm watches based in vintage models made in the late 1930’s, they were PAM 376-379 and 373. For each model only changes the precious material of the case-bezel and the vintage like dial type.
PAM 376 made of White Gold with California dial (striking "art deco" like dial showing an unusual combination of Roman and Arabic numerals)
PAM 379 made of Rose Gold with 12-3-6-9 numerals and sticks Sandwich dial
PAM 373 made of Platinum with the old Sticks–Dots dial of first 2533 vintage Panerai prototypes.
Three watches have Polished Radiomir 47mm case, Brown dial with Gold “double-pencil†shape hands (the hands are pointed on both sides), Display caseback, manual winding 3 days Power Reserve Panerai P.3000 movement, detachable lugs, and Plexi crystal 2,8mm.
As we have above said the PAM 373 watch is inspired on the vintage 2533, a prototype of which very few were made in the late 1930's (probably between 1935 and 1937). There's a picture of one of these prototypes in the reference section on paneristi.com. The reference section however states that only one unit exists but other sources say that several - at least two - have been made. The Panerai press release also has this paragraph "In Officine Panerai's earlier days there was a rare, mysterious version of the Radiomir of which only two examples are known...". You can find some very interesting further information about the history of the vintage models - including the 2533 - in the post the Rolex-Panerai connection on Rolexblog.blogspot.com.
The gen PAM 373 is a Unique Edition of 199 Pieces. Also released as part of a limited edition box set released by Panerai in 2011 consisting of the 373, 376 and 379 producted in a limited edition of 11.
Unfortunately, the gen PAM 373 is a watch hard to copy due to its complicated movement P.3000 with a display caseback and the characteristics of its dial. Moreover, the gen is made of Platinum and the rep, obviously, of SS, with a very high difference of weight. The gen Crystal is Plex but the rep crystal is mineral or sapphire. The hands have different shape, etc…. In general this is not at all an accurate replica and it is not an advisable purchase.


REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/10784-pa3700-panerai-radiomir-vintage-brown-dial-ss-lt-asian-manual-wind-regulator.html
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_48&products_id=7806
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_48&products_id=8006
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_292.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2011/80-radiomir-3-days-platino-pam00373
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EVALUATION: FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (Puretime N-series decorated movement SS+DLC)
EVALUATION: FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (KW N-series decorated movement SS+DLC)
EVALUATION: FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (ZFac O-series decorated movement Ti+DLC)
EVALUATION: FIRST CLASS REP low level (ZFac O-series improved decorated movement Ti+DLC)
EVALUATION: FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (SF O-series w/P.3000 Clone4 Ti+DLC)
The gen PAM 375 N-series was a 2011 Unique Edition of 2000 items. It is a watch with a dark Brown (almost black) Composite bezel and 47mm Luminor 1950 case fitted with a Panerai “Manifattura†OP 3000/1 Power Reserve 3 days movement (it uses two spring barrels to achieve this) which is showed through a Display caseback, the same movement is also used for the PAM372. The dial is a sandwich dark brown with golden hands, beige Luminova lume and second sub-dial @9.The crystal is a 2mm domed sapphire.
It looks like a Brown Composite version of a PAM 127 Fiddy. We could say it seems a dark Brown Composite Fiddy but fitted with a new automatic movement.
This is the second Panerai watch made of Composite (first one was the Radiomir PAM 339)
In January 2013 are released by Puretime the first replicas of this interesting watch. Unfortunately the rep are made of DLC coated SS instead of Composite and they are fitted with a polemic A6497 movement decorated with some bridges like P.3000 gen movement.
The pros and cons of this replica are:
-Case and bezel colour is more black than the gen Composite, even the dial seems more black than gen colour.
-Lume markers colour seems whiter than gen beige. Hand lume colour seems better, but is clearly wider than gen hands lume.
-Dome Crystal distortion is bigger than gen one.
-Second sub-dial @9 is clearly bigger than gen. Its position is accurate.
-Hands are inaccurate with shorter hour hand and with wider lume part.
-Marker fonts seem accurate, but crystal distortion doesn’t allow judging about 6 and 9. LUMINOR PANERAI fonts are quite accurate but the total inscription is a little bigger. 1950 fonts are clearly wider. Inscription positions are good in general.
-L SWISS MADE L inscription is longer, and then is displaced to the left and to the right sides. MADE L is clearly farther to right side from “6â€.
- Inscription REG. T.M. in crown guard is clearly bigger and bad placed in comparison to the gen.
This “new†decorated movement is an esthetical approach to the gen P.3000, but in my opinion is not at all a first step to the real clone P.3000. Due to different layout of 6497 and P.3000, the decorated movement has a P.3000 inverted layout. As you can see in below Figure with the three crowns at the top.
There are versions started by Puretime (with three “jewels†in CAL P.3000 inscription bridge) and from Cartel (with two “jewels†in CAL P.3000 inscription bridge), KW also released a version and adopted the movement type Puretime with three “jewelsâ€.

DECORATED MOVEMENT A6497 LIKE A PANERAI P.3000 – see inverted layout


There are some threads started about this matter:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=128534
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=130164
Due to the inaccuracy of the movement, the inaccuracy of the material and other flaws we cannot consider this replica as a First Class rep. high level. It really is a very well built replica and good watches. Maybe due to the quality we can consider them as First Class reps (mainly KW version) but, all them, bordering a lower status.
Anyway, nice idea and good solution this 6497 movement decorated like a P.3000.


January 2014- ZFac releases a PAM 375 O-series with decorated movement, darkened caseback crystal and made of Titanium DLC coated to get a weight similar to gen. The decorated movement is Puretime type as above described. Maybe the finish and quality has not the consistency of a KW but are very similar. Besides this ZFac replica has a plus regarding weight being made of Titanium. Therefore very equivalent evaluation to KW version SS DLC.
Hands are much more accurate than previous version form Puretime
Caseback is wrongly engraved RADIOMIR COMPOSITE instead of LUMINOR COMPOSITE
Due to the inaccuracy of the movement, the inaccuracy of the material and other flaws we cannot consider this replica as a First Class rep. high level. It really is a very well built replica and good watches. Maybe due to the quality we can consider them as First Class bordering a lower status.
Anyway, this ZFac version, due to Titaniun case with weight closer to gen, maybe is the best choice in January 2014 .

March 2014- ZFac releases a rep PAM 375 O-series made of Titanium DLC coated, fitted with a movement based on A6497 and decorated like a P.3000. It is a good and nice decoration with the Balance Cock with double fixation like gen. Is a new step in decoration of this movement and is more accurate than previous versions, but it is not a clone like the movement from Dec 2013 of PAM 372
This decorated movement looks as showed in below pic, see Balance wheel @11 in rep whereas is @7 in gen:

COMPARISON GEN - ZFac Mach2014 DECORATED MOVEMENT

The rest of the watch seems accordingly and it is the same as previous ZFac version and the wrong RADIOMIR COMPOSITE engraving on caseback remains the same too. Due to the improved movement this rep gets an evaluation of First Class rep of low level.

December 2014- SF released a rep of PAM 375 O-series made of Titanium DLC coated and fitted with a P.3000 Clone4 movement.
P.3000 Clone4 features a more accurate size of decoration “jewels†and better colour (although far from perfect). “Jewels†placement is now really improved in relation with the bridges, it is really close to the gen and close to the best possible achievable from the shape of clone movement bridges.
Below Figure shows the overall comparison of Clone3, Clone4 and gen. We can see the noticeable improvement regarding accuracy of “jewels†and overall placement.

CLONE3 – CLONE4 – GEN COMPARISON


SF has used the best movement available in Dec 2014 for this rep. Unfortunately, the rest of the watch is not accordingly with the movement and has some important flaws not allowing an evaluation upgrading:
- CP is smaller, like in all P.3000 Clone.
- Hour hand is clearly shorter and the length of the lume part is bigger
- Lume in hands is wider than gen.
- LUMINOR PANERAI inscriptions on dial have a bit inaccurate fonts (see especially "O" and "A")
- 1950 inscription has inaccurate fonts
- "12" marker is wrong because has different font
- Worse CG and lever than current versions with no chamfered corners
- And the main flaw: INACCURATE cushion shape and lugs in the case . Serious flaw in comparison with the best version ZFac Ti+DLC.
Of course movement Clone4 is the best accurate available. No doubts about this matter. This is the only advantage of this rep.
We can see we have got nothing over the ZFac Ti DLC version, leaving aside the movement, but this improvement doesn’t justify an evaluation over the ZFac Ti DLC last version which remains the best option in Dec 2014. Evaluation First Class rep bordering a lower status.

REPLICA links:
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam375-o-sf-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000-super-clone/ SF O-series Ti+DLC w/ P.3000 Clone4
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam375-o-zf-best-edition-v3-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000/ ZFac improved decorated mvmt. Ti+DLC
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam375-o-zf-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000/ ZFac decorated mvmt. Ti+DLC
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam375-n-composite-1950-on-asso-strap/ PT decorated mvmnt. version
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16085-pa16085-pam375-o-luminor-brown-pvd-ti-lt-p3000-super-copy.html SF O-series Ti+DLC w/ P.3000 Clone4
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13396-pa13396-pam375-n-composite-1950-dlc-lt-asian-6497.html PT decorated mvmnt. version
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13770-pa13770.html KW decorated mvmnt. version
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+375&product_id=977 ZFac decorated mvmt. Ti+DLC
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+375&product_id=764 KW decorated mvmnt. Version
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3034 ZFac decorated mvmt. Ti+DLC
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1380 ZFac improved decorated mvmt. Ti+DLC
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=10527 KW decorated mvmnt. Version
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn375n01-1950-pvdle-6497p3000-p-13412.html KW decorated mvmnt. Version
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_293.html
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/search?q=375
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EVALUATION: LOW-GRADE REP
Panerai introduced at the 2011 SIHH three impressive Radiomir 47mm watches based in vintage models made in the late 1930’s, they were PAM 376-379 and 373. For each model only changes the precious material of the case-bezel and the vintage like dial type.
PAM 376 made of White Gold with California dial (striking "art deco" like dial showing an unusual combination of Roman and Arabic numerals)
PAM 379 made of Rose Gold with 12-3-6-9 numerals and sticks Sandwich dial
PAM 373 made of Platinum with the old Sticks–Dots dial of first 2533 vintage Panerai prototypes.
Three watches have Polished Radiomir 47mm case, Brown dial with Gold “double-pencil†shape hands (the hands are pointed on both sides), Display caseback, manual winding 3 days Power Reserve Panerai P.3000 movement, detachable lugs, and Plexi crystal 2,8mm.
The PAM 376 is inspired on the vintage 3646 of the year 1936. There's a picture and information of this watch in thereference section on paneristi.com.
The gen PAM 376 is a Unique Edition of 299 Pieces. Also released as part of a limited edition box set released by Panerai in 2011 consisting of the 373, 376 and 379 producted in a limited edition of 11.
Unfortunately, the gen PAM 376 is a watch hard to copy due to its complicated movement P.3000 with a display caseback and the characteristics of its dial. Moreover, the gen is made of White Gold and the rep, obviously, of SS, with a high difference of weight. The gen Crystal is Plexi but the rep crystal is sapphire. The hands have different shape, etc…. In general this is not at all an accurate replica and it is not an advisable purchase.


REPLICA links:
http://www.tswatchltd.com/10785-pa3710-panerai-radiomir-vintage-brown-dial-ss-lt-asian-manual-wind-regulator.html
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=207&P_id=2231&ti
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_48&products_id=7807
http://www.pf-818.com/pn37602-2011-special-california-radiomir-ssle-black-p-14636.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_300.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2011/81-radiomir-3-days-oro-bianco-pam00376
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EVALUATION: LOW-GRADE REP
Panerai introduced at the 2011 SIHH three impressive Radiomir 47mm watches based in vintage models made in the late 1930’s, they were PAM 376-379 and 373. For each model only changes the precious material of the case-bezel and the vintage like dial type.
PAM 376 made of White Gold with California dial (striking "art deco" like dial showing an unusual combination of Roman and Arabic numerals)
PAM 379 made of Rose Gold with 12-3-6-9 numerals and sticks Sandwich dial
PAM 373 made of Platinum with the old sticks–dot dial of first 2533 vintage Panerai prototypes.
Three watches have Polished Radiomir 47mm case, Brown dial with Gold “double-pencil†shape hands (the hands are pointed on both sides), Display caseback, manual winding 3 days Power Reserve Panerai P.3000 movement, detachable lugs, and Plexi crystal 2,8mm.
The PAM 379 is inspired on the vintage 3646 of the year 1938. There's a picture and information of this watch in the reference section on paneristi.com.
The gen PAM 379 is a Unique Edition of 299 Pieces. Also released as part of a limited edition box set released by Panerai in 2011 consisting of the 373, 376 and 379 producted in a limited edition of 11.
Unfortunately, the gen PAM 379 is a watch hard to copy due to its complicated movement P.3000 with a display caseback and the characteristics of its dial. Moreover, the gen is made of Rose Gold and the rep, obviously, of RG plated SS, with a difference of weight. The gen Crystal is thicker than the rep one. The hands have different shape, etc…. In general this is not at all an accurate replica and it is not an advisable purchase.

REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam379-radiomir-rose-gold-a6497/
http://www.pf-818.com/pn37901-2011-special-radiomir-rgle-brown-p-10863.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_301.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2011/82-radiomir-3-days-oro-rosa-pam00379
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (N-series DSN)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (N-series H maker)
The PAM 380 seems the same as PAM 183 and actually is similar, but sports “OP” logo on the dial and has Sausage black dial instead Sandwich dial like the 183. This logo watch is to the Radiomir series the same as logo PAM 005 is to the Luminor series. This is the first Radiomir to have the OP logo on the dial. In 2012 has been introduced another Radiomir Logo: the PAM 424 with Brown California dial.
The OP Logo is made up of the letters O and P which of course stand for Officine and Panerai. There are also two arrows in the logo - one pointing up and one pointing down-. These refer to the fact that Panerai was a specialist in manufacturing underwater products and landing aid systems. The down arrow referred to the under water (diving) products, the up arrow referred to the other tools.
This model belongs to Panerai's link to the “Historic” Radiomir models and military roots. The gen PAM 380 is a Radiomir Black seal released in 2011 N-series, it has a Sausage black dial in a cushion shaped Radiomir SS case 45mm, with detachable wire lugs with, seconds@9 sub-dial, Solid caseback and movement Panerai OP II calibre, ETA based, it is manual winding by a onion shaped crown which has OP logo engraved.
The high price and collectible pre-Vendome 5218-201/A, 5218-209/A and PAM 000-005-318-195-360-380-424 are the only available Panerai watches with the legend OP Logo.
Fortunately for the replica fans and makers this model has solid caseback because the movement OP II is not used in replicas, apart from the DSN reps which are fitted with Swiss OP II in some Display caseback models (but not in this case). All replicas N-series from H maker and DSN are First Class reps. The replicas from H maker are bordering on Super reps.
Please note in H maker a little difference gen-rep in the spacing R-A in PANERAI inscription on dial. Really it is not a different space, it is just a diffrent "R" font, because "R" in gen is wider than usually (like in Boutiques Special Editions) and then the space is shorter in gen, but the complete inscription PANERAI has the same length in gen and rep. See:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/?t=114662
Pictorial and little review here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=113118 by PolonusTM
Pictorial review with a very good croco strap:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=32837 by amuthon
Impressive pictorial review here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=98955 by Mike00

REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam380-n-h-maker-best-edition-on-hand-stitched-brown-leather-strap-a6497/ Hmaker N-series
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam380-ss-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-a6497/ Hmaker N-series
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12179-pam380-radiomir-blackseal-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497-manual-wind.html Hmaker N-series
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2352&ti= Hmaker N-series
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2353&ti= Hmaker N-series
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+380&product_id=208 Hmaker N-series
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=936 Hmaker N-series (*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=10591 Hmaker N-series
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=9322 Hmaker N-series
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn380n01-pam380-radiomir-blackseal-p-12053.html Hmaker N-series
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn380n02-pam380-radiomir-blackseal-p-12054.html Hmaker N-series
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7122 Hmaker N-series
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=100400 DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2045%20mm%20Radiomir%20watches/new%20380N%20with%20new%20crown%20April%202012/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_304.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=10555&id_categoria=3205
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP - SS+RG plated version
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (ZFac Bronze w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low-medium level (KW Bonze w/decorated A7750 Inverted
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (ZFac Bronze w/decorated A7750 NON–inverted ZP9000-V2)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW V3 Bronze w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac Bronze w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted) best current option from May 2105
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac V4 Bronze w/decorated A7750 improved NON-inverted ZP9000-v2.5)
The PAM 382 has the same structure as a PAM 305 (made of Ti), but the Case&Bezel of the gen PAM 382 are made of real Bronze, it is a 2011 Special Edition of 1000 pieces, and have a very special character. There is a version with Power reserve indicator on dial started in 2013 and called PAM 507
A stunning eye catcher in a 47mm bronze case. The people at Panerai are always innovative while being faithful to the history of the brand. That 2011 year we were surprised by the use of Bronze. The use of this material is not new to Panerai. A prototype model of an early Panerai model exists and it is well documented. Bronze has also been used by other brands before, e.g. the AP Bartorelli Scuba has a bronze bezel with a clear coating to prevent oxidation. The Genta Gefica (2008) is another watch that has a bronze case and, like the Panerai PAM 382, it doesn't seem to have such a coating.
Bronze is an age old metal that was used frequently before the discovery of steel. Panerai used a bronze alloy with tin added to it to minimize the effects of corrosion. But its surface will certainly change color over time. This will make every Panerai PAM382 unique as no watch will change in an exact same manner. One might wonder about possible allergic reactions to the skin. The PAM382 however has a titanium Display caseback and buckle, so the bronze will not touch the skin.
The PAM 382 Bronzo is obviously much heavier than the PAM 305. Its weight feels about the same as that of the steel PAM 243.
The first reps before 2014 are made of SS Gold plated with a Brushed gold aspect non like gen. Furthermore, the gen PAM 382 has a special Panerai “Manifattura” movement P.9000, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. This rep is not at all an advisable purchase.

September 2013- We know from Puretime's Angus info that three good makers are working in this replica made of real Bronze (Noob, KW and ZFac). Samples expected (firstly from ZFac) about first quarter 2014. We hope to get real bronze alloy Copper-Tin CuSn8.
Follow info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=147647 by royal oak

March 2014- ZFac releases definitively the waited PAM 382 N-series in Real Bronze. Fitted with P.9000 decorated A7750 Inverted layout
This is a long waited release and in some aspects the quality is at the level of expectations.
We are not yet sure about the real chemical composition of bronze alloy used, we will need and official chemical analysis with official certificate from an independent laboratory to really know the truth. It really seems real bronze and some times the patina has the gen appearance. I have few doubts about the material actually is bronze, but I’m not so sure about the real composition. People are really worried about the patina that the watches are getting, but we cannot have appropriate data because many owners are making a lot of experiments cleaning the cases with lemon juice, tomato ketchup and other substances and even forcing patina production with eggs and other products. In this way we cannot know the real and natural patina that these watches can get. We will see in some months.
The overall appearance is very good, leaving aside accuracy, material or other considerations. I know well the gen (PAM 507 which is the same but with PR indicator on dial) and it is reddish colour with a smooth patina which gives a matt appearance to the watch. No strong and coloured patina like people are asking for. But the gen I know is from an AD without a lot of ambiance exposition.
Dial seems really good with nice contours in markers, good hands and Cannon pinion and nice and accurate inscriptions.
Caseback is made of Ti like gen and is nicely made.
Case is nicely made and accurate, properly brushed and very gen-like appearance. CG is accurate and well engraved, although upper and lower corners joining the case are sharper than gen which has chamfered corners. I think there is an easy way to fix it with a file and removing the CG.
Movement is the current ZFac decorated A7750 like Manifattura P.9000 Inverted layout, but ZFac has improved decoration jewels. In this new version, instead of hollows in bridges filled with a strongly red coloured substance, ZFac uses “real” jewels (like KW decoration but a bit more transparent, with a lighter colour). ZFac decorated movement is really improved with this change. We can say that ZFac decoration is now closer to KW movement in quality.
The main problem is the bezel, with narrower upper external edge, less polished than gen and with inaccurate finish and shape of knurling either in vertical or horizontal section, not so bad and inconsistent as in PAM 389 but far from the gen quality, although this flaw is less noticeable in a more rough finish of a bronze watch. Upper surface of the bezel is not as brushed as gen but better than KW version. Bezel markers are placed usually with uneven height. Pearl is good enough but would admit some improvements. Black minute markers (from 12 to 3 hrs.) on bezel are not perfectly placed in relation to pearl and other markers.
The working of the bezel is another controversial matter, many owners have complaints about loose bezel and gaps in the click fixations. This is most likely due to a curious and very commented system used by ZFac to get the unidirectional click function, with a elastic wire between the case and the bezel which produces some variations and gaps in the working.
Hands are accurate but Cannon Pinion is ZFac type with a raised rim contour in minute hand around the CP.
Dial is accurate enough but Dots and stick have a bit thicker golden contour.
Another matter is a flaw in the fixation of the own dial which produces misalignments between bezel and dial markers and even between date window and date wheel. There are already some mods to fix these issues, read the links attached.
Lume has uneven colour and we don’t get matching colour between hands, markers and subdial little and big markers.
Regarding strap there are a lot different opinions from “very nice” to like “card board”. I think it is good for a rep and matching a sporty and sub bronze watch
The inner side of the lugs when inserting in the back of the case is not like gen, just the same as KW version. Rep insertion has not "step" whereas gen insertion presents a little "step". This was already explained by Polonus in other KW thread of announcement, but it remains without correction in KW version. It is a flaw really no noticeable in practice, but that will be useful to tell the reps in the future from the back view.
There is a controversial matter regarding the real composition of the bronze used to build the reps of PAM 382. But we will not know the real thing until getting a chemical analysis of the rep case to prove the bronze used is similar to the CuSn8 used in gen manufacture.
We can consider this ZFac version like a First Class rep of low level
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170897 by oracle 202
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170862 by COLDI
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=69276&st=20 by gB
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=178149 by tomm13
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=228293 by asb987
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=74992 by Stevebanshee
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=179184 by Jake48
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=179306 by BMW760
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=181204 by silverclaw
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=234260&p=2509550#post2509550 by SheriffWho
Removing and adjusting PAM 382 ZFac bezel
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=228719by ATEspo
Some dial misalignment issues and possible solutions:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=180015 by NCchef
Nice pictorial
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=180967 by minge
Saving the lever to get it flush
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=180676 by COLDI
Info and pics about PAM 382 bronze patina
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=181303 by Shooboo
*** Very good side by side comparison ZFac vs Gen by Jakob***
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=229583 by Jakob
Comments from the comparison by ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=229583&p=2468488&viewfull=1#post2468488 by ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=229583&p=2469363&viewfull=1#post2469363by ALE
***Thread started in RWI about above review and comparison by ALE ***
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=181470 by ALE
Info and pics of PAM 382 patinas
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231940 by ikiestik

April 2014- A rep of PAM 382 N-series “Lite” or “economical” is released. The maker is not stated but it really seems a ZFac version with the same bronze case-set of current PAM 382 but fitted with a cheap decorated A23J Seagull movement with completely wrong datewheel. It is a “Lite” or” economical” version of the ZFac fitted with A7750 decorated as P.3000. I’m writing economical in quotations because it really is quite expensive for its real quality as rep. The Date window and wheel font are really inaccurate and far from the gen appearance. The movement is the same as decorated A23J which fits the PAM 507 “Lite” introduced at the same time but with blue inscriptions like gen. This decoration is good enough. Caseback is the same of ZFac PAM 382.
In my opinion it is no worth to buy this rep and is better to spend a little more of money and get a ZFac PAM 382 fitted with A7750 movement decorated like a P.9000 with correct date wheel.
It is an uneven construction with very good case-set in real bronze with a cheap movement and inaccurate date which ruins the quality of the case-set.
The evaluation cannot be more than a good rep, with good construction but very expensive.

June 2014-KWreleases the KW PAM 382 N-series. This is also a very waited rep and it isfitted with P.9000 decorated A7750 Inverted layout.
At this moment I have seen some improvements over ZFac version and, however, I have seen only worsening in the upper part of the bezel.
As far as I can see:
- Kunrling of bezel seems not as polished as gen but way better in finish and shape accuracy
- Working of rotating bezel is more gen-like and with small gaps.
- Bezel markers are placed sometimes with uneven height but way better than in Zfac.
- Better and nice pearl. First batches were released with greenish pearl lume. KW has already fixed this issue. It can be corrected by relume too. Read below thread
KWPAM382 Pearl Relume
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=187693 by momo_sweden
DIY relume by ernien
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=189708&p=1912434#post-1912434 by ernien
- Lume colour is very uniform in hands, dot markers, stick markers and printed markers on subdial @9...maybe a bit more greenish in first batches.
- We can see very uniform colour and quality of material between case, bezel, bezel markers and CG
- Starting patina is smooth and uniform, Not in an aggressive way or with ugly stains, very gen-like
- Black minute markers on bezel are better placed in relation to pearl and other markers and overall more accurate
- CG chamfered corners are more accurate but not perfect. To be corrected
- Nice engravings REG T.M. in CG
- More consistent dial-bezel alignment.
- Nicer strap with better quality
- Cheaper price with seemingly better quality
But KW version has some issues on the upper part of the bezel with narrower upper external edge and less polished than gen. This edge is worst in KW than in ZFac. However finish and shape of knurling either in vertical or horizontal section are much more accurate than ZFac version. The upper surface of the KW bezel is clearly less brushed than gen surface and when the watch has not yet patina is a noticeable difference, this difference with the patina many times disappears. Those tow flaws are the most important of KW version, but they are in a visible part of the watch.
Movement it is nicely decorated A7750 inverted layout, and with "real" jewels as other KW versions (and ZFac last versions). Balance wheel position of A7750 is @11 whereas the gen P.9000 is @7.
There is a controversial matter regarding the real composition of the bronzo used to build the reps of PAM 382. But we will not know the real thing until getting a chemical analysis os the rep case to prove the bronze used is similar to the CuSn8 used in gen manufacture. In December 2014 ALE published an Official Chemical Analysis of the bronze of this KW rep. See bellow the comments an links.
The inner side of the lugs when inserting in the back of the case is not like gen, just the same as ZFac version. Rep insertion has not "step" whereas gen insertion presents a little "step". This was already explained by Polonus in other KW thread of announcement, but it remains without correction in KW version. It is a flaw really no noticeable in practice, but that will be useful to tell the reps in the future from the back view.
The overall finish and care for details seems KW typical and we can assure this is a very beautiful watch and a nice and accurate replica.
A First Class replica of low-medium level
More info here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=77783&st=0 by Kuvarsit
Announcement from KW
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=177449 by kuvarsit
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=74249&st=20 by kuvarsit
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=177468 by trailboss99
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=230639 by hotbody77
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=182378 by spankster23
Nice pictorials of KW PAM 382
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=233952&p=2506407#post2 506407by Schildking
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=189534&p=1909155#post-1909155 by kilowattore
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=85251 by PhillyRock
Some macro shots and comments of KW version
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=233807&p=2505404#post2505404 by bassmanz
Very good open review & pictorial with a lot of general discussion
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=188318&p=1896734#post-1896734 by set2374

General info and comparisons of PAM 382 KW and ZFac
QC pics thread
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=185880 by eshow3907
Comparison review ZF Lite- ZFac A7750 – KW A7750
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=81134&pid=1327324&st=20&#entry1327324 by greg_r
Comparison KW vs. ZFac side by side
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=187564 by NCchef
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=234018 by NCchef
Comparison of versions discussion
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=227879 by QuantumPower
Comparison KW vs. ZFac comments
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=233887 by QuantumPower
Cleaning the Bronzo
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=233792 by john220
Cleaning with Ketchup
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=228042 by AP_VC
More cleaning
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=189302&p=1906467#post-1906467
PAM382 Strap Options and Dress Ups
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231350 by Kramer

September 2014- ZFac releases a new version of PAM 382 called ZFac V2. This version presents a very new feature because it is fitted with a new decorated movement called ZP9000-V2, still based in A7750 (therefore with balance wheel still @11 instead of @7) but with non inverted layout due to a technical trick. Maker has reduced the Balance cock to a simple bar making it almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout similar to the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. Regarding inscriptions accuracy of position it is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before but with correct orientation, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version. Due to the characteristics of A7750 the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole” is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement almost as inaccurate as previous versions.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel

GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9000-V2
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone seems very different. Those differences are the same in previous inverted versions but you cannot expect much improvement from the new decorated movement ZP9000-V2, leaving aside the correct layout and the correct orientation of the inscriptions.
We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous versions either from ZFac or KW. Then, at least, this is a nice improvement.

We would need to know in the future if the weakening of the real balance cock, being reduced to a bar, will affect the correct working of the movement, since this bridge is the main support of the balance wheel. So, this matter remains pending future evaluations.
About the rest of the watch we have seen some little but interesting variations. The CG has improved chamfered corners not as evident as gen but accurate enough (with some inconsistencies between units, since it seems that the chanfered is hand made). Maybe the upper external edge of the bezel is a bit wider than previous version and a bit better polished but far from the width and polishing of the gen. Bezel upper surface is nicely brushed like gen, better than previous version. However the bezel knurling remains worse than gen and inaccurate either in horizontal or in vertical sections. Working of rotating bezel seems also improved but we have not yet data enough and we remain pending of future info. Pearl is also better, more accurate but very flat, with correct clear colour and accurate contour.
Dot and stick golden contours on dial remain thicker than gen and CP is really big as in previous versions and differences of the lume colour between hands, dots and sticks and subdial markers continue being evident.
It is evident we have got interesting improvements with this ZFac V2 version but not as important as we could expect mainly regarding the knurling and polished upper external edge of the bezel and the big CP. Pending future news of the movement working we can evaluate this rep as a First Class rep good level (always pending future evaluations of movement working)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=190231 by cosmicgate
Puretime introduction info and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=193065 by psychom3
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=193065 by psychom3
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=236896 by bpumod

September 2014- KW released a new version of PAM 382 called KW V3. Sometimes this version is called V6Fac but it is the same watch.
This version presents the same new feature as ZFac V2, because it is fitted with a new decorated movement called KP900-V2, also based in A7750 (therefore with balance wheel still @11 instead of @7) but with non inverted layout due to a technical trick. In contrast to ZFac, KW maker has not reduced the Balance cock, but KW has decided leaving the real balance cock without modification thinking of it would remain hidden enough under the regulation device and false escapement wheel, and in my opinion this is true, because the real balance cock of KP9000-V2 remains almost invisible like it happens in ZP9000-V2, but it has the advantage ot not to be reduced and that will not affect the working of the movement. Like ZFac, KW has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but this KW decoration is way more accurate than ZFac one. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout similar to the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. Regarding inscriptions accuracy of position it is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that.
Although the A7750 decoration bridges around the Balance wheel are less open than gen, the shape of KW decoration leaves a rep Balance wheel “hole” smaller than gen but more open than in ZFac movement, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen.
Surface brushing finish on decoration bridges is clearly better in KW movement.
The more accurate balance cock decoration, the better finish of the brushing on decoration bridges and the bigger balance wheel “hole” make this movement clearly more accurate than Zfac version as you can see in the pics.
Everything is no perfect, as usually, because KP9000-V2 has bridges inscriptions thicker and worse defined than gen. This flaw is a bit hit and miss, because there are some KP9000-V2 movements whit less thick inscriptions but always thicker than gen. In this regard ZFac is more accurate than KW.
Bellow is showed New movement KP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel

GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED KW KP9000-V2
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)

Although the inscriptions on decoration plates are better and really good in ZFac, KW is actually more accurate and, most likely, more reliable due to a no reduced balance cock. Therefore we can conclude that KW KP9000-V2 is the most accurate P.9000 decorated in October 2014.
Regarding the rest of the watch, it is very interesting read the review threads by mysterio below indicated. There are few improvements in KW version: a bit better chamfered in CG corners with some inconsistencies, correct brushing of the upper surface of the bezel (almost polished in previous version) and a bit better working of bezel rotation. Therefore the differences between ZFac V2 and KW V3 are as follows:
-CP continues being weird in ZFac vers¡on with a rsised rim around the central part of CP. KW is more like gen flat and polished
-Vetical and horizontal bezel knurling sections are still inaccurate in ZFac and remain accurate enough in KW version
-Polished chamfered external upper edge of the bezel seems improved in ZFac version, wider and better polished, although not as much as gen. KW bezel edge remains narrower and bad polished. No changes in this regard. And maybe the worse flaw of KW version.
-The brushing of upper bezel surface is now almost the same in both versions and very accurate. KW has quickly improved this matter.
-The working of bezel rotation seems improved in both versions. No noticeable differences although KW seems to have a more consistent system of click devices.
-Pearl remains hit and miss. ZFac is now more uniform but very flat. KW is now usually more rounded than gen but nicely finished.
-Chanfered CG corners are way better in KW and more consistent, although not all units have the same accuracy of chamfering (sample showed by mysterio is particularly inferior. We have see a chamfering improvement in some ZFac units but it is amost no existent in other ones, very inconsistent feature in ZFac versions.
-CG on KW version is not perfectly polished, on the ZF it's not flush (both incorrect but both fixable). Inner cutout is a bit better on the ZF but not by much. Following mysterio comments and pics
-Caseback is clearly superior in KW version with better defined and accurate engravings (see mysterio review)
-ZFas continues having uneven lume colour of hands, dial and sub-dial markers.
- As we can clearly see in below nice review by mysterio lume is clearly more uniform and stronger in KW version. ZFac is clearly inferior in this regard as we can see in mysterio review.
-Regarding the colour of the case, this is a controversial matter because we don’t know the real chemical composition of both watches. Mysterio review shows very similar colour, and even mysterio says he cannot see differences. Other observations like Nchef in his review- http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=187564 and http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=234018 – saying: “The ZF color is more red-gold while the KW is more brass-gold colored”, are indicate that ZFca material is a bit more red than KW. In my opinion maybe I also see more red the ZFac material , but this is almost no noticeable.
We would need to know the truth by a chemical analysis of both cases. So, this matter remains pending a future “official” analysis, but I think both materials are accurate enough to get a colour and a patina similar to the gen. Maybe, following some claims from owners, ZFac has a less consistent quality and uniformity of the alloy showing sometimes stains and differences on the patina.
To get more info about this comparison read the magnificent review threads started by mysterio:
Comparison and Review: Z-Factory PAM382 V2 vs. KW PAM382 V3
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=198160 by mysterio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=239888 by mysterio
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=88576 by mysterio
We can conclude that KW has clearly worse upper external polished edge of the bezel (which really is a pity in KW version). KW bezel chamfered is almost non existent units and polishing is bad
We can see also that inscriptions on movement are clearly more accurate in ZFac version, KW many times are thicker and they even show some inconsistencies in quality. Although the finish of the decoration bridges is clearly better in KW.
I have to admit that the inaccurate chamfered edge of KW is really bothering, I don't understand why KW has no improved this edge, it would have been very easy this improvement.
Anyway, leaving aside the two issues above mentioned (edge of the bezel and movement inscriptions) KW is an overall superior version.
We can consider that KW PAM 382 V3 is the best option on October 2014 with an evaluation of First Class rep High level. With a correct chamfered and polished bezel edge and more accurate thickness of movement inscriptions, this rep could get an evaluation of First Class bordering Super rep or even Super rep bordering lower status. Maybe next version
Nice info and pictorial here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=199734 by plankton
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=89455 by plankton
More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=239332 by Jonnyknox
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=197298 by fire007


December 2104- OFFICIAL CHEMICAL ANALYSIS of KW-V6Fac bronze material
ALE published an Official Chemical Analysis of KW bronze showing the rep material is a true bronze very similar to gen material.
Read it here:
KW PAM382 Bronze material – Official Chemical Analysis (the definitive answer) ****** - by ALE
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/203008-KW-PAM382-Bronze-material-%96-Official-Chemical-Analysis-(the-definitive-answer)-******
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=91901
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=243565&highlight=chemical+analysis


May 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 382 N-series now fitted with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
This Seagull version is the same as above KW-V6Fac commented leaving aside the change of the movement. This movement makes the rep more accurate and, following the opinion of many users, more reliable. Due to the inaccuracies in the upper external polished edge of the bezel, we cannot give it a First Class rep bordering Suoer rep status, but it is a First Class rep of High level and IMO the best current option from May 2015.
More info here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=101051 by kuvarsit
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/222751-KW-382-with-Seagull-now-shipping-thoughts by stray_cat


June 2015- Zfac released a new rep version of PAM 382 N-series (usually called V4). This rep is fitted with a new ZP9000-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole” almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9000-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9000 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.

The rest of the watch presents some improvements in relation with previous ZFac version. The main improvements are in bezel and CG.
Bezel is overall more accurate (pearl, markers,etc…). Even the knurling has improved regarding either vertical or horizontal profiles and the polishing seem really improved. The transition edge between polished chamfered and upper brushed bezel surface are not as marked and defined as gen, and the chamfered edge is still narrower than gen, but overall is better than KW and ZFac previous versions.
CG is improved and now the chamfered is accurate and nice.
I have not seen changes on dial and Cannon Pinion looks the same ugly shape as previous versions. This is a big tell IMO
ZFac lume remains inferior to KW versions.
Since the movement and above commented features have improved we should upgrade this new version to First Class rep of High level
I agree ZFac and KW last versions maybe are now almost on par but KW remains IMO in a bit higher level due to the lume, dial, CP and overall finish. Besides we have an analysis of the KW bronze material confirming it is really similar to the gen material (we have no confirmation for ZFac)
More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=253542 by xrez

Noob version-We have not yet news about the rep from Noob

General info about Pam 382 Bronzos
Cleaning the Bronzo
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=233792 by john220
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=199183 by wristel
Cleaning with Ketchup
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=228042 by AP_VC
More cleaning
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=189302 by eshow3907
How to get a different and nice patina
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=199366 by feloniousmonk
PAM382 Strap Options and Dress Ups
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231350 by Kramer

REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/panerai/1-1-kw-pam382-bronze-p.9000-movement-seagull-movement/ KW-V6Fac Bronze w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/panerai/1-1-kw-pam382-lastest-v3-edition-bronze-p.9000-movement/ KW-V6Fac Bronze w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32303 KW Bronze w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=238690 KW-V6Fac Bronze w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam382-n-bronzo-v6f-11-best-edition-lite-on-brown-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000/ KW-V6Fac Bronze w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam382-n-bronzo-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-distressed-calfskin-strap-zp9000-v4/ ZFac Bronze w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000.V2.5
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam382-n-bronzo-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000/ KW-V6Fac w/ decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam382-n-bronzo-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000-v2/ ZFac Bronze w/decorated a7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam382-n-bronzo-lite-on-brown-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000/ KW-V6Fac Bronze w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 Inverted
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam382-n-bronzo-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000/ ZFac Bronze w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16973-pa16973-pam382-n-bronzo-zf-1-1-v4-p9000.html ZFac Bronze w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000.V2.5
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16878-pa16878-pam382-v3-perfect-edition-bronze-seagull-st255.html KW-V6Fac Bronze w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15794-pa15794-pam382-n-v2-bronzo-zf-1-1-p9000.html ZFac Bronze w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15669-pa15669-kw-pam382-perfect-edition-bronze-p9000-with-free-submarine-buckle.html KW Bronze w/decorated A7750 Inverted
http://www.tswatchltd.com/11232-pa8680c-panerai-luminor-submersible-green-dial-yg-lt-asian-21j-automatic.html Low grade SS+RG plated
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3076 ZFac Bronze w/decorated A7750 Inverted (*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3172 KW Bronze w/decorated A7750 NON-Inverted KP9000-V2
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1154 ZFac Bronze w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1056 KW Bronze w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai-submersible/2095-pam382-n-bronzo-zf-1-1-best-edition-v4.html ZFac Bronze w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000.V2.5
(*)http://www.twgtwg.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13449 KW-V6Fac Bronze w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=12135 KW Bronze w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=11893 ZFac Bronze w/decorated A7750 Inverted
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=8854 Low grade SS+RG plated
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn382n18-bronzo-cple-green-st2555p9000-p-17401.html KW-V6Fac Bronze w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn382n08-bronzo-cple-green-a7750p9000-p-15893.html KW Bronze w/decorated A7750 Inverted
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_296.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=10568&id_categoria=10540
http://www.network54.com/Forum/265104/thread/1322251381/PAM+382+Bronzo+Pictorial..enjoy
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353390/thread/1404130075/last-1404130075/FS-+PAM+382+Bronzo+FULL+set+%2B+extra+straps%2C+EU
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REPLICA VERSION MADE OF ALUMINIUN DLC COATED
NO longer available
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (V2) (with some restrictions due to inaccurate movement and material, see comments)
The gen PAM 386 is made of a COMPOSITE. It is the result of an electrochemical process of ceramization of the aluminium, this material is harder than the ceramics normally used for cases in watch-making (zirconia), and also harder than metals like steel and titanium, as well as being lighter. Thanks to its qualities of ductility and reliability, the Panerai composite allows for complex and extremely precise workings and is the result of processes that, up to now, were employed in the creation of components for the aeronautic industry and for car and motorcycle races requiring the highest levels of performance.
This watch released as M-series 2010 was unveiled in Geneve SHII 2011. But never was released as gen watch.
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/sihh/sihh-2011-panerai-luminor-composite-pam-386/
http://www.paneraiblog.us/2010/12/2011-pre-sihh-luminor-marina-1950-3-days-automatic-composite-44-mm/
Below reps are made of aluminium DLC Coated, and due to the low weight of the aluminium, the rep have a weight similar to the gen. But it is much softer than the gen.
A sandblasted finish in the rep gives to the watch a ceramic like aspect as the gen has.
The look is similar to the SS sandblasted DLC Coated but the weight is much closer to the gen
These reps made of Aluminium DLC Coated are more close to the original PAM than the SS Coated ones. Aluminium reps were the best choice because they are even cheaper than SS PVD coated version.
The gen PAM 386 has a special Panerai “Manifattura”movement P.9000, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. Please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
Usually these replicas have a little “purple” colour, improved in the last version V1.1 made of SS DLC coated (see the next replica review), but actually the gen is not black either, it is really brown. Concerning weight it is better going to the Aluminium PVD coated rep. In any case the material will not be accurate to the gen Composite. Before the introduction of V1.1 made of SS DLC coated the best choice was the V2 Aluminium DLC coated, but now there are some doubts, because leaving aside the weight issue, the V1.1 SS coated version is more accurate, since the SS coated version V1.1 has other improvements (see next replica comments) read:http://www.pureti.me/blog/261/.

V1 and V1.1 DIFFERENCES - ROTOR V1-V1.1-V2
Therefore, this decision is a taste question to be resolved by the buyer.
The PAM 386 replicas V2 made of Aluminum DLC coated can be considered as First Class rep low level, with the restrictions due to inaccurate movement with display caseback and the material issue.
These "old" replicas are in 2013 a little forgotten due to release of reps with decorated movements KW and Puretime Type
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam386-m-composite-v2-on-asso-strap-a7750/ V2 no longer available
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12438-pa7890fo-pam386-m-composite-2012-updated-version-asian-7750.html V2 no longer available
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_282.html
http://www.relojes-especiales.com/foros/panerai/sihh-2011-panerai-386-a-150304/
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REPLICA VERSIONS MADE OF STAINLESS STEEL and TITANIUM DLC COATED
EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (Puretime M-series SS+DLC w/decorated PT type A7750)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (KW-V6Fac M-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (ZFac M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (KW-V6Fac V5 M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac V5.1 M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated Seagull Inverted
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac V5 M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2) best option from June 2015 together with ZFac w/ZP9000-V2.5
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac O-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5) best option from June 2015 together with KW-V6Fac Seagull NON-inverted
The gen PAM 386 is made of a COMPOSITE. It is the result of an electrochemical process of ceramization of the aluminium, this material is harder than the ceramics normally used for cases in watch-making (zirconia), and also harder than metals like steel and titanium, as well as being lighter. Thanks to its qualities of ductility and reliability, the Panerai composite allows for complex and extremely precise workings and is the result of processes that, up to now, were employed in the creation of components for the aeronautic industry and for car and motorcycle races requiring the highest levels of performance.
This watch released as M-series 2010 was unveiled in Geneve SHII 2011. But never was released as gen watch.
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/sihh/sihh-2011-panerai-luminor-composite-pam-386/
http://www.paneraiblog.us/2010/12/2011-pre-sihh-luminor-marina-1950-3-days-automatic-composite-44-mm/

Reps Before year 2013- Just below commented reps (before talking about reps with decorated movements) are made of SS DLC Coated, and due to the higher weight of the SS, the reps have a weight higher than the gen. Besides, it is much softer than the gen.
The look is similar to the Aluminium DLC Coated but the weight of these reps is much higher than the gen weight. These reps made of SS DLC Coated are not as close to the gen as the Aluminium Coated ones. It seems the Aluminium reps are the best choice, regarding weight accuracy, because they are even cheaper than SS PVD coated version.
The gen PAM 386 has a special Panerai “Manifattura”movement P.9000, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. Please bear in mind this matter if you are looking for a big accuracy.
Usually these replicas have a little “purple” colour, improved in the last version V1.1, but actually the gen is not black either, it is really brown. Anyway the problem about weight continues, concerning this matter it is better going to the Aluminium PVD coated rep. In any case the material will not be accurate to the gen Composite. This decision is a taste question to be resolved by the buyer.
The rep V1.1 in comparison with the previous V1 SS coated versions has better case colour, better rim bezel, better crown colour, non roller crown lever, bold embossed date font, colourless AR, and 3 screw in the rotor like gen. Read about that:
http://www.pure-time.com/blog/261/

V1 and V1.1 DIFFERENCES - ROTOR V1-V1.1-V2
Before the introduction of this V1.1 SS version, the best choice was V2 made of aluminium. But now, leaving aside the weight issue, the V1.1 SS coated version is more accurate.
The PAM 386 replica V1.1 made of SS DLC coated can be considered as First Class bordering lower status, with the restrictions due to inaccurate movement with display caseback and the material issue.
These "old" replicas are in 2013 a little forgotten, and even obsolete, due to release of reps with decorated movements KW and Puretime Type


From 2013- REPLICAS WITH DECORATED MOVEMENT
Below commented reps are made either of SS DLC coated or Titanium DLC coated. Obviously, being Titanium much lighter than SS, the reps made of Titanium will be more accurate regarding weight than rep made of SS in comparison with the gen Composite material

-Puretime type M-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted Puretime type
May 2013- Puretime releases a PAM 386 M-series made of DLC SS from "another maker", with a colour copied from a gen PAM 504. This rep is fitted with a A7750 movemnet decorated like a Paneari P.9000. The decoration is not as perfect and carefully made as KW decoration, but it is an acceptable approach to the gen look. Obviously the movement layout is inverted, since the A7750 has the balance wheel @11 hrs. whereas the P.9000 has the wheel @7 hrs. See below pic. This is not a step to the P.9000 clone, it is just a decoration of a conventional A7750 to seem a gen P.9000. This watch has even a darkened caseback crystal like the gen.

DECORATED PURETIME TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000
More info about this movement:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=203531by Puretime
In June 2013 was released a variation of above commnted rep with the same decorated type Puretime movement but featuring a false, and non working, escapement Wheel, as showed in below pic. This replica has not darkened caseback cristal.

DECORATED PURETIME TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 -WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL

It seems that all replicas fitted with this PT type decorated movement will come with false escapement wheel.
Above PT type decorated movements are not finished as nicely as KW decorated movement and first bacth had "MADE SWISS" wrong inscription instead of "SWISS MADE". This is already corrected to "SWISS MADE"
This can be considered as a First Class rep bordering lower status, since the movement is not a real P.9000 clone and the material is not composite like gen, it can be never a Super rep following usual criteria.
More info about this replica:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=206272 by Puretime


-KW-V6Fac M-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted
June 2013- Kuvarsit release a rep PAM 386 M-series made of SS DLC coated, with awesome finish and Decorated A7750 inverted layout movement like a P.9000. This rep has even darkened crystal
http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32114
It seems a good approach to the gen but it is not at all a step to a Clone P.9000. It is just a decorated movement. The decoration seems very accurate and well finished although the movement has inverted layout, beeing based in a standard 7750. The balance Wheel of the gen is palced @7 hrs. whereas the A7750 has the balance Wheel @11 hrs. See below pic.

DECORATED KW TYPE A7750 MOVEMENT LIKE PANERAI P.9000 - WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL

This replica can be considered a First Class replica of low level. Since the movement is decorated and has inverted position, it is very difficult that we can consider this watch a Super rep. Besides inaccurate material. Anyway a very interesting replica and a new step from KW.
Regarding overall quality, accuracy and finish, decorated KW reps are superior to PT type decorated reps.


-ZFac M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted
November 2013- ZFac releases a PAM 386 M-series made of Titanium DLC coated to get weight similar to gen Composite, with decorated A7750 based movement, very similar to KW decoration in finish and appearance. Decoration is based in Puretime type with the same positions of inscriptions, but has the Balance Cock KW style decorated. In my opinion the worse flaw of this movement is having the false decoration jewels painted instead of “real jewels” like KW version. Obviously the decorated movement has also inverted layout in comparison with the gen,and the Balance Wheel is placed @11 whereas in gen is @7, as you can see in below pics. The jewels were improved in last batches getting a decoration like “real jewels”

DECORATED ZFac TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 -WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL

This replica is made of Titanium like KW version, therefore it has the weight closer to gen than SS DLC coated versions.
Comments about this ZFac replica:
-Finish of this ZFac rep seems similar to KW watches, but owners are detecting it is a bit inferior to KW, it seems that these first batches from ZFac have a little lack of consistency in quality and finish.
- Some owners say that crystal of ZFac is more gen-like bevelled than KW version. Not yet confirmed
- Cannon pinion is flush and more accurate in ZFac version, whereas in KW version is recessed.
- Painted ZFac decoration jewels are worse than “real jewels” of KW version. Corrected in last batches of movements
Little review and pictorial here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=67934 by peteins
As all ZFac replicas of this period, owners have observed some lack of consistency in quality and finish, but best ZFac watches are very similar to KW reps. We can consider it as First Class medium level


-KW-V6Fac V5 M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted
November 2013 -KW releases a PAM 386 M-series (called V5) made of Titanium DLC coated to get weight similar to gen Composite. This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has “real” jewels instead of “painted” jewels like first batches of ZFac movements, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole” is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

This replica deserves the same comments of above KW made of SS DLC coated regarding movement and finish, but it has a plus due to be closer to gen regarding weight, being made of Ti tanium instead of SS. We can consider it as First Class medium level replica.
More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=217836 by ATespo


-KW-V6Fac V5.1 M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated Seagull Inverted
May 2014- A new rep Pam 386 M-series is released by KW. It is the same as last V5 made of Ti+CLC coating but fitted with a decorated Seagull ST2555 instead of a decorated A7750 like last version. We will call this version V5.1
This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. This movement has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. ’The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole” is bigger than in ZFac and KW inverted movements and gen, but the shape is still inaccurate. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW Seagull movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac and KW A7750 based. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

It is interesting to say that these new reps KW V5.1 with Seagull, leaving aside the change of movement, are the same as KW V5, but they are sold clearly cheaper than old versions with A7750.
Anyway reduction of price is very interesting and we are getting even some advantages.
The reason of this change can be the strong competition with ZFac versions which has pushed KW to get more interesting prices and movement. Anyway these changes will be welcome for all PAM rep fans.
Bear in mind that maybe dealer catalogues will need some time to get changed the pics and the specifications. First weeks after the release, you will need to clarify with the dealer the version you are buying and paying.
We will give it an evaluation of First Class rep high level


-ZFac M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
September 2014- ZFac released a new version of PAM 386 made of TI tanium DLC caoted.
This rep is fitted with a new ZP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick. Maker has reduced the real balance cock to a simple bar, making it almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation.
The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the shape of the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version, but with correct orientation. Due to the characteristics of ZFac decoration the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole” is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement looks not so accurate as expected.
Anyway, this is an improvement in rep decorated movements which get better accuracy than inverted movements. Bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone seems very different. Those differences are the same in previous inverted versions but you cannot expect much improvement from the new decorated movement ZP9000-V2, leaving aside the correct layout and the correct orientation of the inscriptions.
We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous versions either from ZFac or KW. Then, at least, this is a nice improvement.
Maybe the weakening of the real balance cock, being reduced to a bar, could affect the correct working of the movement, since this bridge is the main support of the balance wheel. Indeed ZFac in a new improved movement has keep the real balance wheel in its correct size, still hidden under the regulation device and the escapement wheel, just like KW decorated movements do.
There are no visible modifications on the rest of the watch. Due to above mentioned about new V2 decorated movement, this new feature doesn’t allow an upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is more accurate than previous version with inverted layout movement but just that. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep high level.


-KW-V6Fac M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
October 2014- KW released a new version of PAM 386 made of Titanium DLC coated. This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, getting a great gen-like appearance. With above mentioned features this KP9000-V2 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the improved Zfac decorated P.9000 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2.5
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed movement KP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5.
Regarding the rest of the watch there are no visible modifications. New KP9000-V2 decorated movement doesn’t allow an upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is more accurate than previous version with inverted layout movement but cannot get a better status just because balance wheel remains placed @11 and the inaccuracy of the material. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep high level.


-KW-V6Fac M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
May 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 386 M-series made of Titanu¡ium DLC coated. This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
The rest of the watch remains the same as previous KW-V6Fac version, and the movement improvement doesn’t justify a change of evaluation: First Class rep High level. The best option from June 2015 together with KW-V6Fac fitted with decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2.


-ZFac O-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
June 2015- ZFac released a rep PAM 386 O-series made of Titanium DLC coated. This rep is fitted with a new ZP9000-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole” almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9000-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9000 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.
The rest of the watch remains the same as previous ZFac version, and the movement improvement doesn’t justify a change of evaluation: First Class rep High level. The best option from June 2015 together with ZFac fitted with decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5

REPLICA links:
-Puretime type M-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted Puretime type
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam386-m-composite-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p9000-movement/
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+386&product_id=806

-ZFac M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1170

-ZFac M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15828-pa15828-pam386-m-z-factory-titanium-lt-p9000.html

-ZFac O-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+386&product_id=1567

-KW-V6Fac M-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32114
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=10937
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn386m11-386m-composite-1950-days-dlcle-brown-p-14485.html

-KW-V6Fac V5 M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32159&sl=EN
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15658-pa15658-pam386-m-v2-titanium-lt-p9000.html
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3263

-KW-V6Fac M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32348

-KW-V6Fac V5.1 M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated Seagull Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32291
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15664-pa15664-pam386-m-v2titanium-lt-seagull-st255-automatic.html
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3264
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+386&product_id=1053
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=12030
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn386m12-386m-1950-days-dlcle-brown-st2555-p-15761.html

-KW-V6Fac M-series Ti+DLC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2014-pam386-m-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p9000.html

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_282.html
http://www.relojes-especiales.com/foros/panerai/sihh-2011-panerai-386-a-150304/
8-5*

EVALUATIONS
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted) with KWV1 caseset
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted) with KW V2 caseset
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted) with KW V2 caseset
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2) with KW V2 caseset. The best option from January 2015.
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Super rep status (ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5) very good option for A7750 lovers
The PAM 388 is a Radiomir version of PAM 312 . There is another Radiomir version but made of brown Composite with vintage lume called PAM 505.
This watch Radiomir Black Seal was introduced as regular production in year 2012 O-series.
PAM 388 is like a evolution of PAM 183 since features date and it is automatic Manifattura movement instead of manual. Other Black Seal similar model is the PAM287 which also is a 45mm Radiomir, it is an automatic just like the PAM388, but the movement used is the Panerai Calibre OP III which is a Valjoux 7750 based. Another slight difference is the date window in the PAM287 has a cyclops while the PAM388 has none.
It features second @9 subdial, date window @3 without Cyclops, and 6-9-12 markers combined with sticks. Dial lume has a typical slightly greenish colour whereas the dial inscriptions are nice creamish colour.
This watch is fitted with the PANEARI Manifattura movement P.9000, with a power reserve of 72 hours achieved by means of two spring barrels powered by an oscillating weight that winds in both directions. With a diameter of 13¾ lignes and a balance that oscillates at a frequency of 4 Hz, the P.9000 calibre is also fitted with a stop-seconds device enabling the time to be synchronized with a reference time signal. You can see this movement through a caseback sapphire crystal.
Aesthetically, the PAM388 is one of the most elegant pieces ever seen from Panerai watch. it’s one of those watches that can be used as a tool watch or as a dress watch
The name Black Seal, printed on the dial, is a proprietary name of Officine Panerai which evokes fascinating memories of the history of the brand: Black Seal was one of the names used to describe the slow-speed torpedoes PIG, the midget submarines on which the commandos of the Italian Navy carried out their heroic underwater enterprises during the Second World War, with Panerai watches and instruments on their wrists.


-KW-V6Fac V1 O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted (KW V1 caseset with lug fixations problems)
July 2013- The First good replica of this watch is released by Kuvarsit Watches (KW). It is made of polished SS with an awesome finish.
Care of details and overall finish are at the same level of current replicas made by KW. In this way the replica gets that gen-like feel already famous in last replicas from this maker. Leaving aside the weight you could not realize the difference. Case shape seems very accurate and the edges of the cushion shape are sharp and well defined. Crown shape and crown inscription are very good too.
It is fitted with a movement Seagull ST2555, automatic, 26 jewels, 21600 b/h, decorated with nice bridges like a P.9000. The decoration bridges are screwed avoiding they fall (be carefull because the catalogues usually have a mistake indicating A7750 instead of Seagull movement).
These decorated movements using Seagull are a bit more accurate to the gen than previous decorated movements using A7750, because Gen P.9000 has the balance wheel @7 , A7750 movement @11 and Seagull ST 2555 @6.
Therefore Seagull movement has the balance wheel @6 closer to the Gen @7, instead @11 like A7750.In this way the appearance is better and more like gen.
Anyway the movement has also inverted layout (like decorations based in A7750) in comparison to the gen, and the balance cock (the bridge holding the balance wheel) is also in inverted position.
This inverted KW Seagull movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac and KW A7750 based. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

The dial is finished all matt like gen, dial surface is microblasted before coating and gets a matt surface which “absorbs” light. It is the same with creamish inscriptions RADIOMIR-BLACK SEAL-PANERAI that are without shine like gen. Following indications of maker the dial is very close to crystal, the same as gen, giving to this watch a very good appearance.
Greenish lume colour and creamy inscriptions combination give to this watch a very beautiful look. You can see this nice effect in the pictoral:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=172113 by bobkat
Markers and hands have superlume. Markers are accurate but hands have wider lume than gen and this is noticeable.
Date window is accurate in position and size but Date fonts are a bit smaller than gen ones.
CP is well placed and nicely polished, really good
Overall the dial layout is almost perfect.
Front crystal has high quality colourless AR coating like gen.
Caseback is very well finished, like the case, and the engravings are deep, crisp and accurate. Caseback crystal is a clear sapphire.
Strap is good quality with stitching colour matching the creamish inscriptions with a buckle with deep and clean engravings.
Evaluation First Class rep high level. It really is a First Class rep bordering super rep status, but the lug fixations problems downgrades this magnificent rep.


-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted (KW V2 caseset with corrected lug fixations problems)
September 2013- KW releases a version V2 PAM 388 O-series, fitted with decorated movement P.9000-like but based on A7750 instead of Seagull.
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=61029
KW PAM 388 V1 had some problems regarding lug screws and KW needed to improve this matter. Due to above mentioned reason KW releases this new version V2, with lug screws issues fixed but decorated movement A7750 based.
IMO it is not an improvement, since Seagull is better than A7750, and more accurate (balance wheel @7) than A7750 (balance wheel @11).
Therefore we can say is an “updating” but not an improvement.
As above commented this rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has “real” jewels instead of “painted” jewels like first batches of ZFac movements, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole” is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

These are one of the nicest replicas I have seen, with an awesome finish and appearance very gen-like. The movement, although the decoration, is not a real clone, we cannot consider them as Super rep, following our current criteria. Of course they are very good First Class rep bordering Super rep status and impressive and beautiful watches. Very advisable purchase, because the price is not very high either.
Nice pictorial and review:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=156097by Bonesey
Mini review by ALE
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=158347 by ALE
Comparison with gen
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=188836 by vwca


-ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
January 2014- ZFac releases a rep PAM 388 O-series with decorated A7750 based inverted layout movement. This is a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. Last batches of this decoration has already the new ZFac “real” jewels instead of old ZFac “painted” jewels like first ZFac batches, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is inaccurate and seems weird. The balance wheel “hole” is much smaller than gen and looks inaccurate. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
CAL P.9000 inscription has inaccurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
Bellow is showed ZFac decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

No improvements from KW version are seen. Movement decoration is not superior and usually ZFac quality is less consistent than KW
We can consider it as a First Class rep high level.
Some info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=169519&p=1707692#post-1707692 by panasol
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221612 by panasol


-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted (caseset KW V2 without lugs fixation problems)
June 2014- Following the changes to Seagull made recently by KW in decorated P.9000 movements, KW released a PAM 388 KW with the same case as KW V2 with A7750, with lugs fixations improved, but returning to the decorated movement based in Seagull of previous V1 version. This is a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. This movement has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. ’The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole” is bigger than in ZFac and KW inverted movements and gen, but the shape is still inaccurate. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW Seagull movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac and KW A7750 based. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

Therefore we have now a rep with caseset KW V2 but with the decorated movement Seagull based of V1. We will call this version V2-Seagull. No needed to explain the features of this new rep because is a V2 but with the movement of V1. Price is also reduced.
Due to all those changes you would have to consult dealers before purchase which is the version they have available because usually there are some mistakes in catalogues. No modification in evaluation: First Class rep bordering Super rep status
Nice mini-review and pictorial here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=94957 by Gazzla
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=95098 by Gazzla


-ZFac X-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
September 2014- ZFac releases a new version of PAM 388 O-series. This rep is fitted with a new ZP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick. Maker has reduced the real balance cock to a simple bar, making it almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation.
The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the shape of the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version, but with correct orientation. Due to the characteristics of ZFac decoration the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole” is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement looks not so accurate as expected.
Anyway, this is an improvement in rep decorated movements which get better accuracy than inverted movements. Bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone seems very different. Those differences are the same in previous inverted versions but you cannot expect much improvement from the new decorated movement ZP9000-V2, leaving aside the correct layout and the correct orientation of the inscriptions.
We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous versions either from ZFac or KW. Then, at least, this is a nice improvement.
Maybe the weakening of the real balance cock, being reduced to a bar, could affect the correct working of the movement, since this bridge is the main support of the balance wheel. Indeed ZFac in a new improved movement has keep the real balance wheel in its correct size, still hidden under the regulation device and the escapement wheel, just like KW decorated movements do.
There are no visible modifications on the rest of the watch. Due to above mentioned about new V2 decorated movement, this new feature doesn’t allow an upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is a bit more accurate than previous version with inverted layout movement but cannot get a better evaluation. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class high level just a bit more accurate than previous ZFac version.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=195553 by Nick1980


-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep of PAM 388 O-series. This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
This version with Seagull NON-inverted is the same as previous KW V2 with corrected lug issues and only the movement changes. There is no possibility of getting a Super rep evaluation due to display caseback and no clone movement. We will keep First Class rep bordering Super rep status, just a bit more accurate than inverted movement version. This is the best (and even cheap) option from January 2015, just a bit better than the ZFac w/A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2.5 below commented


-ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
June 2015- ZFac released a rep PAM 388 O-series. This rep is fitted with a new ZP9000-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole” almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9000-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9000 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.
This version with A7750 NON-inverted Improved movement ZP9000-V2.5 is the same as previous fitted with KP9000-V2 and only the movement changes. There is no possibility of getting a Super rep evaluation due to display caseback and no clone movement. We will keep First Class rep bordering Super rep status, just a bit more accurate than inverted movement version. This is IMO a very good option for A7750 lovers.
Nice pictorial
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=105322 by trojjan

This watch is a good candidate for a first replica

REPLICA LINKS:
-LOW GRADE REP from 2012
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=9941 Low grade rep

-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted with KW V1 caseset
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=9941

-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted with KW V2 caseset
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32130
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15655-pa15655-pam388-o-1950-3-days-ss-lt-1-1-asian-p9000.html
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+388&product_id=860
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=11206
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn388o01-1950-days-ssle-black-p9000-p-14839.html
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1310

-ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam388-o-zf-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9000/
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1381

-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted with KW V2 caseset
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32430
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15656-pa15656-pam388-o-1950-3-days-ss-lt-seagull-st255-automatic.html
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+388&product_id=1075
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12117
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn388o02-1950-days-ssle-black-st2555p9-p-15863.html

-ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam388-o-zf-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-zp9000/
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15825-pa15824-pam388-o-zf-black-dial-ss-lt-p9000.html

-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2 with KW V2 caseset
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13019

-ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam388-o-zf-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-zp9000-v2/

GEN LINKS:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_313.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/watch-collection/contemporary-collection/radiomir/40-radiomir-black-seal-3-days-automatic-pam00388
8-5*

EVALUATIONS:
LOW GRADE REPLICAS (Replicas before November 2013)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Medium level (ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Medium level (ZFac O-series w/ Swiss ETA 7750 decorated like P.9000)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Medium level (ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Medium level (ZFac O-series w/ Swiss ETA 7750 decorated like P.9000)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Medium level (KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Medium level (KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Medium level (KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
The gen PAM 389 is a Luminor Submersible 1950 Amagnetic 3 Days Automatic Titanium introduced by Panerai on O-series 2012.
The gen PAM 389 features are:
MOVEMENT Automatic mechanical, Panerai P.9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 197 components. The Panerai manufacture caliber P.9000 incorporates a convenient system for setting the hour hand, which can be moved forward and backward in jumps of exactly one hour, at the same time adjusting the date display accordingly.
FUNCTIONS Hours, minutes, small seconds, date, calculation of immersion time.
CASE Diameter 47 mm, brushed titanium.
BEZEL Anti-clockwise unidirectional rotating bezel in brushed titanium with polished edges and a matt black ceramic insert, graduated scale for calculating the time of immersion and ratchet click at minute intervals.
Typically ceramic inserts are glossy (not all), but Panerai have opted for a more utilitarian look with a matte finish. In fact the whole watch has a matte brushed finish, the only polishing is on the bezel studs (which are less raised as is typical) and the bezel edging. This helps to further accentuate the new matte black inlay, which along with the matte finish of the Titanium case give the watch an über cool toolish aesthetic that just might prove irresistible!
BACK Screw, titanium. Device protecting the crown: (protected as a trademark) Brushed titanium.
DIAL Black with applied luminous hour markers. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL Sapphire, formed of corundum, 3.2 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER -resistance: 30 bar (~ 300 meters).
There are two notable and distinguishing features on the PAM 389:
1) its “amagnetic” properties
2) its titanium bezel with a ceramic insert.
The ceramic disc set into the bezel is a feature which is completely new in Panerai watches.
PAM 389 Submersible Amagnetic is not the first of its kind from Panerai. Indeed, this is actually the second antimagnetic Panerai, the first being the Arktos Amagnetic PAM092 issued in 2004 (LE of 500 pieces) and worn by explorer Mike Horn during one of his Artic expeditions.
This watch made its official debut in 2013 at the SIHH show in Geneva. An exciting watch, with Panerai in-house caliber, high performance materials, and a great looking and classic design.
Why antimagnetic? High magnetic fields can noticeably alter the rate of a watch and in extreme cases can event stop the movement. The PAM 389 utilizes an special case construction which ensures high resistance to magnetic fields: 40,000 A/m (ampere per metre). Such a high limit is achieved by the use of a special internal case made of soft iron of the highest purity, which encloses and isolates the movement, forming a Faraday cage that diverts the flow of magnetic fields. The soft iron case is immediately beneath the dial, which is made of the same material. For comparison, the IWC Ingenieur watches are resistant to magnetic fields of up to 80,000 A/m. Not that it matters much, as 40,000 A/m is more than eight times greater than the value specified by the international standards of the Normes de l’Industrie Horlogère Suisse in NIHS 90-10 (NIHSis a set of quality standards established by the Swiss watch industry). As I mentioned above this is a tried and test method for giving a watch antimagnetic properties.
The creative energy of Officine Panerai’s Workshop of Ideas is demonstrated in the Luminor Submersible 1950 Amagnetic 3 Days Automatic Titanio, the new model which is a novel synthesis of the strict respect for traditional values and authenticity of the Panerai brand, and the continuous search for technically advanced solutions.


-Reps before October 2013
There are low grade replicas PAM 389, previous to October 2013 release of ZFac, but they have not interest, since they are cheap, with cheap movement and made of SS, and inaccurate, they actually are made to not get great quality.


-ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
November 2013- ZFac supported by Angus from Puretime released the first good replica PAM 389 O-series of this watch, made from a gen as sample. It is a carefully managed project and the result seems accordingly. This rep is fitted with a P.9000 decorated A7750 Inverted layout.
As far as I can see from the pics on Puretime catalogue, Angus and ZFac have got a high quality rep. I must admit that at the beginning I didn’t expect a replica with this quality.
Following pics from Puretime and last pics of dials received, it seems that alignments of dial inscriptions have been fixed. I have made Photoshop overlapping of rep and gen dial and the current rep Layout of Puretime pics is almost perfect in all aspects.
Hands, CP, markers and colours on dial seem accurate and well finished. Just the stick main markers seem to have a little thicker chromed contour (few noticeable)
Inscriptions are accurate in fonts thickness and position. Only we would need to confirm with the real watch the colour of lume and inscriptions. On the pics they seems OK.
Date window is perfectly placed, the same as gen. Date fonts seem accurate too but a bit bolder.
Ceramic finish or bezel and even the white stick markers on bezel seem very good but not at great gen level.
Round metallic markers in the bezel seem also good, just a bit sharper edges. Overall a nice and well built bezel, good enough to fit the quality of this replica and a very important part of this watch. Finish of knurled polished contour is not as nice as gen and this is the main problem of this replica, even the batches have lack of consistency between watches. The lower shape of the bezel when connects the case are a bit different and less rounded in rep
CG shape and finish are accurate and the finish of the inner hollow corners and edges seems like gen. I think that only the support of lever roller seems having a worse finish than gen (that is normal and few noticeable). REG. T.M. engravings are a bit smaller but have thickness and depth very similar to the gen and the position is correct enough. Accurate lever tip but a bit sharper in inner part. Good fitting between lever and CG. Very good quality and finish of CG in general. Accurate and nice crown.
Caseback is nicely engraved with sharpness and depth. Accurate inner anti-magnetic cover.
Decorated with false plates ZFac type movement (very similar to KW style). The same as we can see in last PAM 351 from ZFac with decoration “jewels” painted.

DECORATED ZFac TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 - WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL

This is not very important for this replica since the caseback is solid. But Angus and maker have wanted to add this plus to the rep in order to better satisfy buyers.
Since the plates of decoration have a percentage which get unstuck in some time, we should be careful with these reps at this regard, because the solid caseback will not allow to see the unstuck plates, and we will realize that this problem has happened when we note the effects in movement running and winding (better said no running and no winding)
The Case seems well built and accurate. I have just realized that the edges and corners of the cushion shape corners are not as well defined and sharp as in gen shape. This is normal and to be expected in a replica for a fraction of price of the gen and mainly made of Titanium. Anyway this is normal in all reps of these characteristics.
Crystal and strap are impossible to be evaluated from pics.
Above mentioned are observations extracted from pics of Puretime catalogue and QC pics and Internet gen pics. I have seen the gen just one time in Madrid but during more than one hour.
I will need to see in person the replica to confirm the quality, the appearance and real finish, the touch feeling and gen-like appearance, the working of the bezel rotation, the lever working, the crown adjustments….
We have a new First Class replica of medium level.
Fantastic review from PCTeam's PolonusTM here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=169458 by PolonusTM
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221566 by PolonusTM
Fantastic Macro pics from bassmanz here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221766. by bassmanz
You can see in above pics the issues in bezel knurling finish, shape and polishing.
Comments about accuracy of PAM 389 ZFac
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=224785 by justaguy88
More info about pros and cons here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221680 by replicaian
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=212402 mainly from post #1138 – by Puretime
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=218793 by nembo
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=65798 by 481609
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=161222 by shykhay
Pictorial info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170427 pictorial by gianton
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=222176 pictorial by gianton
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=68910 pictorial by gianton
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=222278 pictorial by Polonus on grey Nato
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=72721&st=0by HWG
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=196183 pictorial with several straps by PAMISTI91


-ZFac O-series w/ Swiss ETA 7750 decorated like P.9000
May 2014- ZFac released a version O-series fitted with Swiss ETA7750 decorated, with painted jewels. It is an expensive version and the rest of the watch is the same. In my opinion, this rep is not worth the price, and there is no changes in evaluation, since the movement continues being a decorated exactly the same as with A7750.


-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
September 2014- ZFac releases a new version of PAM 389 P-series. This rep is fitted with a new ZP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick. Maker has reduced the real balance cock to a simple bar, making it almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation.
The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the shape of the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version, but with correct orientation. Due to the characteristics of ZFac decoration the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole” is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement looks not so accurate as expected.
Anyway, this is an improvement in rep decorated movements which get better accuracy than inverted movements. Bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone seems very different. Those differences are the same in previous inverted versions but you cannot expect much improvement from the new decorated movement ZP9000-V2, leaving aside the correct layout and the correct orientation of the inscriptions.
We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous versions either from ZFac or KW. Then, at least, this is a nice improvement.
Maybe the weakening of the real balance cock, being reduced to a bar, could affect the correct working of the movement, since this bridge is the main support of the balance wheel. Indeed ZFac in a new improved movement has keep the real balance wheel in its correct size, still hidden under the regulation device and the escapement wheel, just like KW decorated movements do.There are no visible modifications on the rest of the watch and the main issue : the knurling of the bezel is not corrected yet. The change of the movement is not very important for this replica since the caseback is solid. Due to that and above mentioned about new V2 decorated movement is is not possible to get an upgrading of the evaluation, but maker has wanted to add this plus to the rep in order to better satisfy buyers. We will make the same observations that in previous version: Since the plates of decoration have a percentage which get unstuck in some time, we should be careful with these reps at this regard, because the solid caseback will not allow to see the unstuck plates, and we will realize that this problem has happened when we note the effects in movement running and winding (better said no running and no winding)
Of course this version is a bit more accurate than previous version with inverted layout movement (although this feature remains hidden), but cannot get a better eveluastion. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep medium level just a bit more accurate than previous version. Always pending future information about the working of the new V2 movement.
PAM 389 ZFac P-series review
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=242935&p=2585147#post2585147 by paulvillo


-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
November 2014- KW-V6Fac released a new rep of PAM 389 O-series. This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has “real” jewels instead of “painted” jewels like first batches of ZFac movements, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole” is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

Regarding the rest of the watch just to say that maker has made a big effort to get a Very good quality rep. Unfortunately some important flaws don’t allow better evaluation.
-CP is way better in this version, very gen-like flat and polished, really nice
-Chromed Contours of the dial markers are nicely finished and much better than ZFac version.
-Lume colour and uniformity of colour are better than ZFac
-Dial in general is better than in ZFac version
-Ceramic bezel is better too and the fitting with the metallic bezel is really improved
-This fitting is enhanced by an awesome finish and polishing in the edges of the metallic bezel in contact with the ceramic.
-Bezel markers are also improved either chromed of painted and the pearl contour is much better finished and polished
-Pearl is nicely finished but is more rounded than gen
PolunusTM has made a modd fixing this problem here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=202957 by PolonusTM
-The knurling of the bezel is improved in relation with ZFac version but it is still far from the quality and appearance of the gen. We can see very rough finish in the deepest part of the knurling, lack of uniformity and inaccuracies either in horizontal or vertical sections.
-Working of the bezel seems also improved following info from owners.
-CG is really improved with almost perfect chamfered corners
-Caseback is very well engraved and improves ZFac version
-Overall finish seems awesome and improves clearly ZFac.
But on the other hand there is a big flaw of this KW-V6fac version, because the cushion shape of the case, as said by PolonusTM, is inaccurate and seems, as commented by Co-axial, that maker are using the same case as in PAM 305 whish is more squared in the cushion shape.
We have to say that the overall quality and finish are much more noticeable than the cushion shape, but this is a serious flaw for a current rep in comparison with the high level of other competitors. It is a shame because this rep could have reached almost a level of Super rep with an accurate shape and better quality of the bezel knurling.
Therefore the improvement of quality ca be compensated with the inaccuracy of the case and we should consider this KW-V6Fac version at the same level as ZFac: First Class rep medium level. But bearing in mind that the finish and gen-like appearance of KW-V6Fac version are much better, and IMO is a more advisable purchase despite of the inaccuracy of the case.


-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted
December 2014- KW-V6Fac introduced a new rep version of PAM 389 O-series. This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. This movement has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. ’The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole” is bigger than in ZFac and KW inverted movements and gen, but the shape is still inaccurate. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW Seagull movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac and KW A7750 based. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

This version is exactly the same as previous version but just changing the movement.
Since the price is way inferior (about 100USD) and the movement is even more reliable, this is the best option in December 2014. It is no worth to spend more money in other more expensive versions either form KW or ZFac. Seagull version is a real bargain.
Regarding evaluation we can repeat the same as A7750 version: First Class rep medium level
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=201231 by tom_cat
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=241442 by Cpairways


-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
May 2015- KW-V6Fac released a new rep PAM 389 O-series. This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
This new replica is the same as previous versions form KW-V6Fac but just changing the movement. This modification allows a cheaper replica, more accurate movement and reliable working. No changes in evaluation, just a more accurate and interesting version. First Class rep Medium level. IMO an interesting well finished and cheap option available from May 2015, if you can live with the inaccuracies of the case.

REPLICA links:
-Reps before November 2013
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=10389 Very Low grade replica from Dec 2012
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=10644 Low grade replica from April 2013
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn389n11-submersible-black-ssru-sg25j-auto-p-13252.html Very Low grade replica from Dec 2012

-ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam389-p-zf-11-best-edition-on-black-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000/ (*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2904
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_58&product_id=927
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/1356-pam389-o-zf-1-1-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-p9000.html
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=11542

-ZFac O-series w/ Swiss ETA 7750 decorated like P.9000
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam389-p-zf-11-best-edition-on-black-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000eta7750/

-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15846-pa15846-pam389-p-zf-black-dial-ss-ru-p9000.html

-ZFac O-series w/ Swiss ETA 7750 decorated like P.9000
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam389-p-zf-11-best-edition-on-black-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000eta7750/

-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32452
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam389-o-v6f-11-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-p9000/ (*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=12604
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn389o08-submersible-tiru-p-16467.html

-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32549
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam389-o-v6f-11-best-edition-lite-on-black-rubber-strap-p9000/

-KW-V6Fac O-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2015-pam389-o-v6f-1-1-best-edition-lite-on-black-rubber-strap-p9000.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_339.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/watch-collection/contemporary-collection/luminor-1950/372-luminor-submersible-1950-amagnetic-3-days-automatic-titanio-pam00389
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/dive-watches/panerai-pam-389-luminor-submersible-amagnetic-with-ceramic-bezel/
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=302565
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/pam-389-luminor-submersible-1950-amagnetic-3-days-titanio-47--id2508980.htm?id=2508980&picnum=0&tab=pics
8-5*

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N-series Noob) best option
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N-series KW)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (N-series H maker)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP (N-series DSN Model)
The gen PAM 390 is a Unique Edition of 2000 Pieces to be sold exclusively through Panerai boutiques worldwide. This watch is like a “warm” version of a PAM 000 without Lognly this model has the Luminor 44mm polished stainless steel case, Brown Sausage dial and gold hands. A very good looking combination.
This watch is the last evolution with a Luminor case of a group of Radiomir case watches starting in the vintage Panerai from 1938, “3646” model, with Brown Sandwich dial 12-3-6-9 numerals and sticks and gold hands. This vintage model had solid caseback and Dome Plexi crystal. In 1997 Panerai introduces the Radiomir PAM 021 (Special Edition of 60 watches) seemingly the same watch, but actually very different because it is made of Platinum, has thin sapphire crystal, Display caseback and movement Rolex Cal 618 like the original vintage Panerai watch. In 2006 Panerai introduces the Radiomir PAM 232 a modern SS version of the PAM 021, with solid casebakc and OP X movement. In 2010 Panerai released the PAM 294 a Special Edition of 49 watches, very similar to PAM 232 but with Dome Plexi crystal and Display casebak like the PAM 021.
And finally in 2011 Panerai has launched this 2000 pieces Special Edition of PAM 390 in case Luminor with solid caseback and OP I movement, but with a design and dial based in the vintage 3646, the PAM 232 and PAM 021.

There is an awesome replica N-series from H maker which we can consider as a Super rep.
See the beauty of this watch in below pics by Sharrkey

See a pictorial review:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam390n-gen-strap-118900?p=1166333 by Del
Another awesome pictorial review by Del with a gen Asso strap:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam390n-gen-asso-122608?p=1208572 by Del
See an awesome pictorial review of 18 high-end strap combos here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=122953by Rogerthat
The 2012 replicas from Noob have the CG and the case better than H maker ones. Some people change the case and CG of H maker replicas for a Noob case and CG. You can see the pics of a PAM 390 with case and CG Noob in the following link:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/390n-set-in-122252by raywj
Read an interesting comparison of a H maker rep fitted with Noob case with the gen to see the quality of this replica:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=198324&page=2&p=2145144&posted=1#post2145144 by RG's fowwiee
There is also a First Class rep N-series from DSN (last version is from August 2012)

May 2013 - Kuvarsit released a new PAM 390 with its new case. Bearing in mind the features and GEN-like feel of KW Boutiques like PAM 417, we can consider this replica as a Super rep.

May2013 -Noob releases a long waited new PAM 390 with its V3 case. This replica is fitted with an accurate movement decorated like OP I . Noob has even changed the Crown to a "Slim" Crown, it seems that Noob has improved crystal bevelled and improved a little the CG lever (better shape of roller support). Bearing in mind the features and quality of Noob productions and V3 case, and the improvements, we can consider this replica as a Super rep. Noob hands have a Gold color lighter and less yellow than gen ones. From July 2014 it seems that noob has corrected the colour of the hands, following comments from owners:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=187194 by Bozz
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=191319 by imoagdie
this subject is, anyway, pending to be confirmed
Noob 44mm case was usually better than H maker, now V3 is clearly better. Besides, as above said, PAM 390 gets even better crystal and better "Slim"crown and lever. There is a good review about this comparison made by Klockis and ALE in cooperation:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
More PAM 390 Noob info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=145013 by sharrkey
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=206185&highlight=PAM390 by Puretime
Nice pics and strap here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=160005 by bobcat.
Pictorial comparison gen-Noob and some mini-reviews:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=207414 by hon30
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-magnificent-noob-146944?p=1457493 by ALE mini-review
Another good comparison gen-Noob:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=196251 by ryllz
Nice comparison pics of a Noob-Hmaker hybrid to gen
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=177122&p=1786629#post-1786629 by karesz501
Very interesting modd.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=187194&p=1885363#post-1885363 by Bozz
Dial comparison Noob-H maker and more comments about these replicas:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=200895 by Bozz
November 2014- It seems confirmed that Noob has improved some aspects of the case, crystal and finish. Even the hands and the hand colour seem improved. Regarding the case-set: lug shape and contours joining the case have improved, the upper side of the lugs seems way better placed in relation to the cushion shape, they are a bit lower than previous versions, just like gen. It is confirmed “slim” crown and improved lever shape. Overall finish is amazing. It seems that Noob is adding all the new improvements in this PAM 390 case and keep the same the cases of other models.
In this way this is the best Luminor 44mm case ever made until Nov 2014
Read about this matter an interesting thread started by projectologist:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=242171 by projectologist
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=203807 by Sub007
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=246632 by PamRehab
A perfect candidate for a first Panerai replica

REPLICA links:
(**)http://pure-time.com/product/pam390-n-noob-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap/ Noob
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13814-pa13814.html Noob
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12504-pa8430b-pam390-n-h-factory-super-lume-brown-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12209-pa1218b-pam390-special-edition-brown-dial-ss-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(**)http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2324&ti=
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+390&product_id=800 Noob
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+390&product_id=158 Hmaker
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1172 Noob
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=937 Hmaker
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=9144 Hmaker
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=9376 Hmaker
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn390n03-390n-base-p-12110.html Hmaker
(**)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7026 Hmaker
(**)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=31683 KW version
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-390n-112794?p=1103943 DSN
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/New%20Pam%2044mm%20steel%20N%20Series%20watches/Pam%20390N/ DSN
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_322.html
http://www.9maiali.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1799
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/pam-390-luminor-base-stainless-steel-tobacco-dial-gold-hands-44-mm-special-edition--id1866284.htm?query=Panerai+pam+390+luminor&dosearch=true&searchexplain=true&resultview=list&goal_suggest=1&dosearch=true&dosearch=true&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-390-n-luminor-blackseal-base-boutique-special-edition-dirty-brown-dialstrikes-ag
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EVALUATIONS:
LOW GRADE REP - ( Version fitted with A23J )
VERY GOOD REP bordering First Class status - ( Unknown maker O-series w/ decorated P.9000 V1 A7750 ) Please bear in mind this rep has really inaccurate CG and lever
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Lower status – ( KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2 )
(*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering Lower status - ( ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5 )

The gen PAM 392, a Luminor Marina 1950 42mm with SS case, was released in 2012 O-series together with the PAM 393, this last watch with the same case but made of Red Gold. Both watches feature seconds subdial @9 (like all Marina models) and date window @3.
Like PAM 312-359-505 and other PAMs with the same complications, PAM 392 and 393 are equipped with the in-house P.9000 automatic calibre, which beats at 28,800 alternations/hour or 4Hz with 3-day power reserve. This nice movement can be seen through a display sapphire caseback.
Both watches have contrasted brushed case with mirror polished bezel and are fitted with a brushed REG.- T.M. engraved Panerai trademark Crown Guard. The tang buckle is polished as well.
The PAM 392 has black Sandwich dial while PAM 393, its red gold counter part, has brown Sandwich dial.
PAM 392 is essentially a reduced version of PAM 312. To get the balance of the dial right, Panerai had to take out “9” hour marker. The dial looks overall more balanced without the “9” since there was no “3” due to the date wheel in this place.
Most PAMs always have been +44mm in terms of the case size. But in 2012 at SIHH, Panerai introduced these 42mm 1950 Luminor (models PAM 392 and 393). This move was made to satisfy the demands from small wrist people, since 40mm models had no success enough.
It is not just the diameter that has changed in size, but also the thickness. Some people have found PAM 312 and other 44mm Luminor 1950 to be unusually chunky even for a 44mm PAM, due to the 1950 shape case. Since these new models are thinner and smaller, they definitely will feel way more comfortable.
People thinking their PAM was too big to wear with a suit, this piece will give them the option to get a more discrete watch.
Although some 'purists' say that this piece breaks the tradition of Luminor models since it's smaller, non-44mm model, it still definitely embraces all the qualities and characters of a PAM. What's better is that it is a very wearable piece that is not only comfy and versatile but also overall more balanced.
GEN PAM 392 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Automatic mechanical, Panerai P.9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 197 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds, date.
CASE- Diameter 42 mm, AISI 316L brushed steel.
BEZEL- Polished steel.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (protected as a trademark) Brushed steel.
DIAL- Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, formed of corundum, 1.8 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 10 bar (~100 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised alligator strap and brushed steel buckle. Supplied with a tool for changing the strap and a steel screwdriver.


-PAM 393 Low grade version with A23J
March 2013- A rep of PAM 392 is released fitted with A23J. It is a cheap rep without pretentions, with inaccurate case and caseback engraved with inaccurate BB 0000000 and OP 00000 and without production number. The display caseback shows the inaccuracy of A23J. The date wheel and window are completely wrong. Low grade rep and not advisable purchase


-PAM 393 Unknown maker O-series w/ decorated ZP9000-V1 A7750
December 2014- It is released from an unknown maker a rep PAM 392 O-series with a correct case Luminor 1950 42mm. This version is fitted with the already known ZFac P.9000 V1 decorated A7750 with inverted layout and balance wheel @11 instead of @7.

DECORATED ZFac TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 -WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL

This watch has a correct manufacture and overall is quite correct, but has some evident flaws.
This watch have the advantage over the PAM 393 that is made of SS instead of Red Gold and therefore it can be accurate in this regard.
Dial layout is more accurate than expected, with correct inscriptions and accurate markers (“6” marker is a bit more open in rep). Date fonts are a bit bolder but accurate enough.
Sandwich dial is well made with correct cutouts, maybe a bit less deep than gen. Hands are nice and CP seems polished and flattened and with the size like gen.
Crystal is good enough with nice and little bevelled like gen.
Crown guard is the most serious flaw. The finish is really bad and the rounded edges of the sides of the hollow are uneven. The upper part of the CG hollow has a very inaccurate shape far from the angle of the gen. It has a straight shape with an ugly and inaccurate circular cut at the center. This is a noticeable flaw and maybe the most serious of this rep. Roller and roller support are ugly and inaccurate, and lever tip is thinner, inaccurate and very detached from the case and really ugly. Sloppy made CG pin. REG. and T.M. fonts are narrower and they are not well defined and way less sharp than gen. Chamfered corners are uneven and far from the gen nice chamfered.
Case and lugs are good but far from the accuracy of the Luminor 1950 44mm case, cushion shape is more squared and edges are less sharp. You can tell the rep case knowing the gen shape
The maker has learned the lesson with the inaccurate caseback of PAM 393, in this way PAM 392 Caseback is nicely engraved but the fonts are much better than on PAM 393. Production number, mainly “O” of O-series, has been clearly improved an overall this caseback is much more accurate.
Movement, as already known, is nice but obviously inaccurate in layout, inscriptions and balance wheel position.
I have to say that this rep is better than I expected after seeing the inaccurate CG and lever. But it cannot achieve, in my opinion, the First Class status. I would say a very good rep nicely made, leaving aside the CG and lever, and good enough for people not too picky and having small wrist. But to buy this rep you should be able to live with the inaccurate CG shape and ugly lever.
I have to say that this rep is better than I expected after seeing the inaccurate CG and lever. But it cannot achieve, in my opinion, the First Class status. I would say a very good rep bordering First Class status nicely made, leaving aside the CG and lever, and good enough for people not to picky and having small wrist. But to buy this rep you should be able to live with the really noticeable inaccurate CG shape and ugly lever.
With a correct CG shape and chamfered, and better lever it could get a First Class evaluation bordering a lower status, maybe next time.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=204463 by lx5
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=92713 by gvln68


-PAM 392 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 392 Q-series. This rep is fitted with the KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
DIAL- Very good layout without remarkable flaws. Accurate fonts and the sandwich cutouts are fine. Inscriptions are accurate but a bit brownish in comparison to the gen. Date wheel and date window are well placed but fonts are smaller and a bit thicker than gen.
CASESET- Mid case has fatter lug shape, with the flat base bigger than gen and much more marked, besides the upper part of the lugs is placed closer to the cushion shape edge than in gen. Cushion shape looks good but a bit more squared. Bezel and crystal look like gen. KW-V6Fac caseset is better finished but less accurate than ZFac.
CROWN GUARD- it is not as perfect as gen but looks really nice. The inner angled edge (parallel to the crown) is almost like gen and better than in ZFac version. CG pin is correct. Lever is accurate enough. REG. and T.M. engravings are really good and accurAte. Chamfered corners are not as uniform as gen but look good.
HANDS- Accurate shape but the hour hand is clearly longer than gen. Very noticeable. ZFac has more accurate hands.
CANNON PINION- It is nicely finished and very accurate, better than ZFac.
LUME- it is correct and uniform
CASEBACK- it is a bit fatter than gen and the engravings have not perfect fonts and are sallower but are accurate at real size. Layout is good but worse than in ZFac version.

This rep is a good attempt from KW-V6Fac but has still some flaws and the case of Luminor 1950 42mm is not at all as accurate as 44mm. We can evaluate this rep as First Class rep bordering Lower status. It is better finished than ZFac but in my opinion KW-V6Fac is a bit inferior.
Moire info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=208543 by nicktan182
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/210821-KW-392o-Photo-Review by grifter
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=247427 by grafter
Little discussion and comparison ZFac and KW-V6Fac
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=252308&p=2665163#post2665163 by apexmorphall


-PAM 392 ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
October 2015- ZFac released a rep PAM 392 O-series. This rep is fitted with the ZP9000-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole” almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9000-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9000 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.
DIAL- Very good layout without remarkable flaws. Accurate fonts and the sandwich cutouts are fine. Inscriptions are accurate but a bit white in comparison to the gen. Date wheel and date window are well placed but fonts are smaller than gen.
CASESET- Mid case has accurate lug shape but the upper part of the lugs is placed closer to the cushion shape edge than in gen. Cushion shape looks good. Bezel and crystal look like gen.
CROWN GUARD- it is not as perfect as gen but looks nice. The inner angled edge (parallel to the crown) is less angled than gen. CG pin is correct. Lever is accurate enough with a tip a bit fatter than gen. REG. and T.M. engravings are not at all perfect. Chamfered corners are not as uniform as gen but look good.
HANDS- Accurate shape and length.
CANNON PINION- Although is nicely finished, CP is the weird and ugly ZFac with raised rim contour. It looks bigger than gen. I don’t like it
LUME- it is correct and uniform
CASEBACK- it is a bit fatter than gen and the engravings have not perfect fonts and are sallower but are accurate at real size. Layout is OK

This rep is a good attempt from ZFzac but has still some flaws and the case of Luminor 1950 42mm. is not at all as accurate as 44mm. We can evaluate this rep as First Class rep bordering Lower status.


PAM 392
REPLICA links:
-Low grade version with A23J
http://www.trustytime01.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_413&products_id=10525

-Unknown maker O-series w/ decorated ZP9000-V1 A7750
http://puretime01.com/pam392-o-ladies-ss-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-p9000.html
http://www.torobravos.xyz/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1301

-KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.co/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32587
(*)http://puretime01.com/product/pam392-q-lite-ladies-v6f-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9000/
(*)http://puretime01.com/product/pam392-q-lite-ladies-v6f-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9000/
(*)http://www.tswatch.club/16312-pa16312-pam392-q-ladies-v6f-black-ss-lt-p9000_f8b032b9a7fa8c7adab77cff55670eb7.html
(*)http://www.trustytime01.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13049

- ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
(*)http://www.torobravos.xyz/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1754

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_314.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor-1950/60-luminor-marina-1950-3-days-automatic-pam00392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYmxQH4tpP
http://www.bernardwatch.com/Panerai/Luminor-Marina-1950-42mm/PAN331
http://www.ukhorologist.com/2013/10/5-panerai-pam392.html
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-5362933/ti-799068/t-officine-panerai-sihh-2012-panerai-pam392-pam393-42mm-luminor-marina-1950-3-days-automatics/
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EVALUATIONS:
LOW GRADE REP - ( ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2- wrong diameter 44mm )
GOOD REP - ( Unknown maker- O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted ZFac type )
LOW GRADE REP - ( ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Imporoved ZP9000-V2.5 - wrong diameter 44mm)
GOOD REP bordering First Class status – ( KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2 )
GOOD REP bodering First Class status- ( ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5 )

The gen PAM 393, a Luminor Marina 1950 42mm with Red Gold case, was released in 2012 O-series together with the PAM 392, with the same case but made of SS. Both watches feature seconds subdial @9 (like all Marina models) and date window @3.
Like PAM 312-359-505 and other PAMs with the same complications, PAM 392 and 393 are equipped with the in-house P.9000 automatic calibre, which beats at 28,800 alternations/hour or 4Hz with 3-day power reserve. This nice movement can be seen through a display sapphire caseback.
Both watches have contrasted brushed case with mirror polished bezel and are fitted with a brushed REG.- T.M. engraved Panerai trademark Crown Guard. The tang buckle is polished as well.
This more dressy version PAM 393 is made of an especial red gold alloy with a high content of Copper, to get a clearly reddish colour, and a 4% of Platinum to get shine and corrosion resistance. I can say that this gold has a nice colour and it has an impressive appearance, far from a regular yellow gold or conventional rose gold alloy.
The PAM 393 has brown Sandwich dial while PAM 392, its SS counter part, has black Sandwich dial.
PAM 393 is essentially a reduced version of PAM 312 but made of Red Glod. To get the balance of the dial right, Panerai had to take out “9” hour marker. The dial looks overall more balanced without the “9” since there was no “3” due to the date wheel in this place.
Most PAMs always have been +44mm in terms of the case size. But in 2012 at SIHH, Panerai introduced these 42mm 1950 Luminor (model PAM 392 and 393). This move was made to satisfy the demands from small wrist people, since 40mm models had no success enough.
It is not just the diameter that has changed in size, but also the thickness. Some people have found PAM 312 and other 44mm Luminor 1950 to be unusually chunky even for a 44mm PAM, due to the 1950 shape case. Since these new models are thinner and smaller, they definitely will feel way more comfortable.
People thinking their PAM was too big to wear with a suit, this piece will give them the option to get a more discrete watch.
Although some 'purists' say that this piece breaks the tradition of Luminor models since it's smaller, non-44mm model, it still definitely embraces all the qualities and characters of a PAM. What's better is that it is a very wearable piece that is not only comfy and versatile but also overall more balanced.
GEN PAM 393 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Automatic mechanical, Panerai P.9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 197 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds, date.
CASE- Diameter 42 mm, 18 ct. brushed red gold.
BEZEL- 18 ct. polished red gold.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (protected as a trademark) 18 ct. brushed red gold.
DIAL- Brown with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, formed of corundum, 1.8 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 5 bar (~50 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised alligator strap and 18 ct. brushed red gold buckle. Supplied with a steel screwdriver.


-PAM 393 ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2-(wrong diameter 44mm)
September 2014- ZFac releases a rep of PAM 393 P-series with wrong 44mm caseback. It actually is not a mistake, but ZFac is using its Luminor 1950 44mm SS cases to make this PAM 393, just gold plating them.
These reps are nicely made, but obviously they are a “fantasy” wath, completely inaccurate due to a bigger case. They are fitted with the new non-inverted layout P.9000 decorated A7750 movement ZP9000-V2. Since the case is not the same, this version has not interest as a rep, and we will not make more comments. Evaluation : Low grade rep.


-PAM 393 Unknown maker- O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted ZFac type
October 2014- It is released from an unknown maker a rep PAM 393 O-series with a correct case Luminor 1950 42mm. This version is fitted with the already known ZFac decorated A7750 with inverted layout and balance wheel @11 instead of @7.

DECORATED ZFac TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 -WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL

This watch has a correct manufacture and overall is quite correct, but has some evident flaws.
Of course, leaving aside the movement and the CG, the obvious flaw would be the material. Rep is made of SS red gold plated and the gen with a very especial alloy reddish and brilliant (due to the high grade of Platinum). Rep cannot be as reddish as gen without lose a lot of corrosion properties due to the lack of Platinum, for this reason this rep has more yellowish colour. The weight will be clearly smaller than gen.
Dial layout is more accurate than expected, with correct inscriptions and accurate markers (“6” marker is a bit more open in rep). Date fonts are a bit bolder but accurate enough.
Sandwich dial is well made with correct cutouts, maybe a bit less deep than gen. Hands are nice and CP seems polished and flattened and with the size like gen.
Crystal is good enough with nice and little bevelled like gen.
Crown guard is the most serious flaw. The finish is really bad and the rounded edges of the sides of the hollow are uneven. The upper part of the CG hollow has a very inaccurate shape far from the angle of the gen. It has a straight shape with an ugly and inaccurate circular cut at the center. This is a noticeable flaw and maybe the most serious of this rep. Roller and roller support are ugly and inaccurate, and lever tip is thinner, inaccurate and very detached from the case and really ugly. Sloppy made CG pin. REG. and T.M. fonts are narrower and they are not well defined and way less sharp than gen. Chamfered corners are uneven and far from the gen nice chamfered.
Case and lugs are good but far from the accuracy of the Luminor 1950 44mm case, cushion shape is more squared and edges are less sharp. You can tell the rep case knowing the gen shape
Caseback is nicely engraved but with inaccurate fonts. Production number, mainly “O” of O-series, are really bad and inaccurate.
Movement, as already known, is nice but obviously inaccurate in layout, inscriptions and balance wheel position.
I have to say that this rep is better than I expected after seeing the inaccurate CG and lever and the “O” on caseback. But it cannot achieve, in my opinion, the First Class status. I would say a very good rep nicely made, leaving aside the CG and lever, and good enough for people not too picky and having small wrist. People will easily admit the wrong weight and the inaccurate gold colour, but to buy this rep you should be able to live with the really noticeable inaccurate CG shape and ugly lever.
With a correct CG shape and chamfered, better lever and better caseback engravings it could get a First Class evaluation but bordering a lower status, maybe next time.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=199381 by straycat
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=240600 by Daddyoftwo


-PAM 393 ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Imporoved ZP9000-V2.5 (wrong diameter 44mm)
Junio 2015- ZFac releases a rep of PAM 393 P-series again with wrong 44mm caseset. It actually is not a mistake, but ZFac is using its Luminor 1950 44mm SS cases to make this PAM 393, just gold plating them.
These reps are nicely made, but obviously they are a “fantasy” wath, completely inaccurate due to a bigger case. This new versioin is fitted with the new NON-inverted layout P.9000 decorated A7750 movement and Improved ZP9000-V2.5. Since the case is not the same, this version has not interest as a rep, and we will not make more comments. Evaluation : Low grade rep.


-PAM 393 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 393 Q-series, obviously made of SS gold coated. This rep is fitted with a KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
DIAL- Very good layout without remarkable flaws. Accurate fonts and the sandwich cutouts are fine. Inscriptions are accurate. Date wheel and date window are well placed but fonts are smaller and a bit thicker than gen.
MATERIAL- Obviously the rep is made of SS gold coated whereas gen is solid Red Gold. Duration and weight are far from the gen
CASESET- Mid case has fatter lug shape, with the flat base bigger than gen and much more marked, besides the upper part of the lugs is placed closer to the cushion shape edge than in gen. Cushion shape looks good but a bit more squared. Bezel and crystal look like gen. kW-V6Fac caseset is better finished but less accurate than ZFac.
CROWN GUARD- it is not as perfect as gen but looks really nice. The inner angled edge (parallel to the crown) is almost like gen and better than in ZFac version. CG pin is correct. Lever is accurate enough. REG. and T.M. engravings are really good and accurate. Chamfered corners are not as uniform as gen but look good.
HANDS- Accurate shape but the hour hand is clearly longer than gen. Very noticeable. ZFac has more accurate hands.
CANNON PINION- It is nicely finished and very accurate, better than ZFac.
LUME- it is correct and uniform
CASEBACK- it is a bit fatter than gen and the engravings have not perfect fonts and are sallower but are accurate at real size. Layout is good enough but worse than in ZFac version.

This rep is a good attempt from KW-V6Fac but has still some flaws and the case of Luminor 1950 42mm is not at all as accurate as 44mm. Besides the material of the watch is an obvious tell. We can evaluate this rep as Good rep bordering First Class status. It is better finished than ZFac but in my opinion KW-V6Fac is a bit inferior.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=208549 by sinmotion
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=246347 by repgee


-PAM 393 ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
December 2015- ZFac released a rep PAM 393 O-series, obviously made of SS gold coated. This rep is fitted with the ZP9000-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole” almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9000-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9000 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.
DIAL- Very good layout without remarkable flaws. Accurate fonts and the sandwich cutouts are fine. Inscriptions are accurate but a bit white in comparison to the gen. Date wheel and date window are well placed but fonts are smaller than gen.
MATERIAL- Obviously the rep is made of SS gold coated whereas gen is solid Red Gold. Duration and weight are far from the gen
CASESET- Mid case has accurate lug shape but the upper part of the lugs is placed closer to the cushion shape edge than in gen. Cushion shape looks good. Bezel and crystal look like gen.
CROWN GUARD- it is not as perfect as gen but looks nice. The inner angled edge (parallel to the crown) is less angled than gen. CG pin is correct. Lever is accurate enough with a tip a bit fatter than gen. REG. and T.M. engravings are not at all perfect. Chamfered corners are not as uniform as gen but look good.
HANDS- Accurate shape and length.
CANNON PINION- Although is nicely finished, CP is the weird and ugly ZFac with raised rim contour. It looks bigger than gen. I don’t like it
LUME- it is correct and uniform
CASEBACK- it is a bit fatter than gen and the engravings have not perfect fonts and are sallower but are accurate at real size. Layout is more or less correct

This rep is a good attempt from ZFzac but has still some flaws and the case of Luminor 1950 42mm is not at all as accurate as 44mm. Besides the material of the watch is an obvious tell. We can evaluate this rep as Good rep bordering First Class status.


PAM 393
REPLICA links:
-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2-(wrong diameter 44mm)
http://puretime.watch/product/pam393-p-xl-44mm-zf-brown-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-zp9000/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/15823-pa15823-pam393-p-xl-44mm-zf-brown-dial-ss-lt-ap9000.html
http://www.intime.co/panerai/1568-pam393-p-xl-44mm-zf-brown-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-zp9000.html

-Unknown maker- O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted ZFac type
http://puretime.watch/product/pam393-o-ladies-rg-brown-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-p9000/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/15957-pa15957-pam393-o-42mm-zf-brown-dial-ss-lt-ap9000.htmlhttp://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1233
http://www.intime.co/panerai/1638-pam393-o-ladies-rg-brown-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-p9000.html
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12477

-ZFac P-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Imporoved ZP9000-V2.5 (wrong diameter 44mm)
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1560

-KW-V6Fac P-series w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
http://www.kuvarsitwatch.co/kw-products/panerai/best-edition-panerai-pam393-p.9000-42mm-..-1-1-from-kw/
http://puretime01.com/pam393-p-lite-ladies-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-p9000.html
http://www.tswatch.club/16313-pa16313-pam393-p-ladies-v6f-black-dial-rg-lt-p9000_50ef06f95aadebccac9a75a5374710a9.html
http://www.trustytime01.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13117
http://www.trustytime01.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13050

-ZFac O-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
http://puretime01.com/product/pam393-p-ladies-rg-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-p9000/
http://www.torobravos.xyz/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1895
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2497-pam393-p-ladies-rg-zf-1-1-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-p9000.html

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_315.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor-1950/59-luminor-marina-1950-3-days-automatic-oro-rosso-pam00393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh2_XiOlaLg
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-5362933/ti-799068/t-officine-panerai-sihh-2012-panerai-pam392-pam393-42mm-luminor-marina-1950-3-days-automatics/
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The PAM 399, SS case, was presented together with PAM 398, RG case, in the SHII 2012. Both Radiomir 1940 models were produced in limited editions of 100 units each. Officine Panerai has created 50 sets which consist of the two watches in an exclusive box containing the two models with the same millesime numbering (from 1 to 50).
The two versions are distinguished by the different materials of the case, each combined with a different dial colour: the Radiomir 1940 (PAM00399) is made of stainless steel (AISI316L) with a polished finish and has a black dial, while the Radiomir 1940 Oro Rosso (PAM00398) with the brown dial is in red gold. The red gold used by Officine Panerai is 5NPt, a special alloy with an unusually high percentage of copper (24.1%), which gives great depth to the colour, together with a quantity of platinum of 0.4%, which helps to prevent any oxidation of the metal.
Panerai Radiomir 1940 (PAM 399)
PAM 399 have 47mm polished steel case, manual-wind mechanical Panerai OP XXVII calibre (base Minerva 16-17)
Functions: hours, minutes, small seconds
Crystal: Plexiglas 3.0 mm
A new chapter in the history of the most famous watch designed for underwater military operations lives again in the new Radiomir 1940, two new Special Edition watches which are presented for the first time in a special Panerai case of vintage inspiration. Unlike the prototype and the examples which went into production at the end of the 1930s, some historic Radiomirs made in the 1940s had a distinctive case in which the strap attachments were not made of steel wires welded to the case but were formed out of the same block of steel as the case itself, thus resulting in stronger, more solid lugs. The new Radiomir 1940 watches are offered in this special case in the classic size of 47mm in diameter, and they incorporate other elements inspired by the historic examples: the Plexiglas® crystal protecting the dial, the round, cambered bezel, the cylindrical crown and the screw back.
The sapphire crystal in the centre of the caseback enables the OPXVII hand-wound mechanical movement on a Minerva base to be admired: it is a movement of the highest quality, superbly refinished, with a diameter of 16¾ lignes, 18 jewels, variable inertia balance with swan-neck micrometric regulator, Kif Parechoc® anti-shock device and a power reserve of 55 hours. The movement is visible through the sapphire crystal in the centre of the back.
August 2013- A rep of PAM 399 is released. This is a replica made using the case of PAM 372 (which is different), and the old rep Minerva decorated movements based in A6497-2, most likely to use either some of these remaining movements or parts of them. The decoration is not bad, but inscriptions on bridges are not at the same level , with wrong 000/150 serial number, anyway it gets a quite nice although a bit inaccurate movement. The gen PAM 399 has a characteristic special base in the crown, as you can see in the right side of below pic, which is missing in the rep. This is an important flaw since fans of this watch are looking for this special base under the crown. Another nice featre of this watch is the engraved RADIOMIR PANERAI on dial, unfortunately rep engraving is not deep enough and fonts are inaccurate. This replica is not actually projected to get a Suer rep status, but it cannot even get the First Class, since the inaccuracies of the Crown base, dial and case are too much evident.

It is a very nice and well made watch, but just a decent good replica.
There are some posts with comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=205689
Read from ALE post #447 and then read complete Thread
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.ph...=1#post2283816

REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam399-n-limited-edition-ss-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-a6497/ N-series
http://www.tswatchltd.com/14269-pa14268-pam399-radiomir-1940-ss-lt-hand-wound-mechanical.html N-series
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=399&product_id=856 N-series
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_319.html
http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...AM399+-+PAM398
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/sihh/sihh-2012-panerai-pam-399-radiomir-1940/
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2012/90-radiomir-1940-pam00399
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (H maker)
Evaluation thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=110268
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP best option ( Kuvarsit versión). See below comments
Evaluation thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=145665 ALE-Klockis Review and evaluation
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP (DSN)

Panerai introduced in 2010 M-series the PAM 411 to 420, a line of watches Luminor Marina type in Special Editions for some Boutiques Panerai around the world.
The PAM’s 411 to 420 are Luminor Marina watches of 44mm SS full polished case, Black Sausage dial, vintage patina Luminova, seconds @9 sub-dial, Solid engraved caseback and the “Frogman & Pig SLC” logo hot engraved in the dial.
The only variation of these watches was the engraved caseback which was different for each Boutique, following some typical view of the city where the Boutique is placed, which is moreover the name of the watch.
These watches are very similar to PAM 367 Dedicated to China but this watch doesn’t have the “Frogman-Pig” logo engraved.
They are also very similar to a PAM 001 Pre-A or A/B-series but with Luminova instead of Tritium dial and with the “Frogman-Pig” logo engraved.
The reps of these watches are made from H maker y DSN. DSN reps have very marked the contour of the markers in the sausage dial, as usually in DSN, the H maker dial looks better.
The leather strap in H maker seems also better, because the strap in DSN doesn’t seem close to the gen.
We can consider the DSN a First Class rep (better changing the strap) and the H maker a Super rep following the results of an Evaluation thread (with 57% votes)

March 2013 - there is an interesting release from Kuvarsit. This maker introduces a new version of Luminor case with a High standard of quality and finish and it started production with the Boutiques Special Edition. PAM 411-416 and 417.
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=47503&st=0
From the first analysis it really is a rep of an awesome quality and very accurate case, caseback, dial, CG and engravings. There are on RWI two threads started about this replica:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=138333by SPboudart
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/my-kw-417-138656?p=1377528
See a complete Review here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=145665 ALE-Klockis Review and evaluation
Already evaluated as a Super replica (most likely a new concept of Super replica).
See below the different engraving in casebacks and the number and name of every watch of this line Boutique Special Edition M-series.

ENGRAVINGS IN CASEBACKS OF THE PANERAI LINE OF LUMINOR MARINA BOUTIQUES SPECIAL EDITION

REPLICA LINKS: OF PANERAI LUMINOR MARINA BOUTIQUES SPECIAL EDITION MODELS

PAM 411 “FIRENZE”
Special Edition of 200 watches.
(**)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32081 KW
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13769-pa13769.html KW
(**)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=138211 KW
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=9667&zenid=fc0c4b657d1b1c6581c41c5011f988f8 Hmaker
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=105539 DSN

PAM 412 “HONG KONG”
Special Edition of 200 watches.
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/dsnwatches/library/New%20Pam%20411%20Boutique%20Watches/Pam%20412M%20Hong%20Kong%20Boutique%20Watch?sort=3&page=1 DSN

PAM 413 “TAIPEI”
Special Edition of 50 watches.
There are not yet replicas of this model

PAM 414 “PARIS”
Special Edition of 100 watches.
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12629-pa9630b-pam419-m-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=9669 Hmaker
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=105547 DSN

PAM 415 “TOKYO”
Special Edition of 100 watches.
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12534-pa8600b-pam415-m-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_52&product_id=573 Hmaker
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.p...d=9585&zenid=73848038fc43d41e1eeca5b336ad9787 Hmaker
(**)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7185 Hmaker
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/dsnwatches/library/New%20Pam%20411%20Boutique%20Watches/Pam%20415M%20Tokyo%20Boutique%20watch?sort=3&page =1 DSN

PAM 416 “BEVERLY HILLS”
Special Edition of 150 watches.
(**)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32082 KW
(**) http://www.tswatchltd.com/13771-pa13771.html KW
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12454-pa7940b-pam416-m-h-factory-beverly-hills-ss-lt-1-1-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_52&product_id=557 Hmaker
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=9506&zenid=f0044849f4b0cb2c3e901de3c55ba401 Hmaker
(**)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7153 Hmaker
(**)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=138211 KW

PAM 417 “NEW YORK”
Special Edition of 150 watches.
(**)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32080 KW
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/13772-pa1377.html KW
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=9668 Hmaker
(**)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=138211 KW
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12699 KW
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=105551 DSN

PAM 418 “MADRID”
Special Edition of 150 watches.
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12532-pa8580b-pam418-m-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_52&product_id=574 Hmaker
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=9586&zenid=73848038fc43d41e1eeca5b336ad9787 Hmaker
(**)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7186 Hmaker
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=105635 DSN

PAM 419 “GENEVA”
Special Edition of 50 watches.
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/12531-pa8570b-pam419-m-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497.html Hmaker
(**)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_52&product_id=575 Hmaker
(**)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=9587&zenid=73848038fc43d41e1eeca5b336ad9787 Hmaker
(**)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7187 Hmaker
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=105647 DSN

PAM 420 “SHANGHAI”
Special Edition of 150 watches.
There are not yet replicas of this model

GEN LINKS:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_283.html
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_285.html
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_286.html
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_284.html
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The gen PAM 422, released in 2012 O-series, is a Luminor Marina 1950 47mm polished steel case fitted with a Manifattura Panerai manual winding movement P.3001 with 3 days Power Reserve with indicator on a bridge of the movement.
Like the PAM 372 case, the PAM 422 is inspired by a rare model of the 1940s that represents an intermediate stage in the transformation from the Radiomir to the Luminor case. The engravings between lugs are also similar to Pam 372, having PAM00422 @12 and OP6892 @6
PAM 422 is similar to PAM 372 but has a second subdial @9 and a Power reserve indicator on a bridge of the movement. There are other differences on dial, as inscriptions LUMINOR MARINA instead of LUMINOR PANERAI and the inscription PANERAI above the “6” marker. Numerical marker are also a bit smaller than in Pam 372 (few noticeable). Crystal is different too, because PAM 422 has a domed sapphire instead of Plexi like Pam 372.
Paneristi seem a bit divided on whether or not it is fair to compare these two watches. I personally prefer the PAM 372 due to a more simple and clean dial and the old look of vintage Plexi.

July 2013- A replica Low grade quality is released fitted with a decorated A6497 like P.3000 (without Power Reserve indicator). This replica has the inaccurate case conventional 1950 type, like first inaccurate replicas of PAM 372. It is not an advisable purchase

November 2013- Puretime releases, seemingly from the same maker of first PAM 372 version, a replica PAM 422 O-series. With accurate case shape and engraving between lugs. Crystal is either mineral or Plexi like rep PAM 372, because dealer catalogues have different specifications, anyway inaccurate, because gen has domed sapphire. This rep is Fitted with a decorated A6497 movement like P.3001, including on bridges a false Power Reserve indicator. But the movement inscription is wrong saying P.3000 instead of P.3001 and the finish of the triangle surface of rep PR indicator is different from gen one. As usually gen has Balance whell @7 whereas rep is @11. The movement ensemble looks nice but, of course, inaccurate, as you can see in below pic

DECORATED MOVEMENT A6497 LIKE P.3001 WITH FALSE POWER RESERVE INDICATOR- GEN-REP COMPARISON

Leaving aside movement other flaws of this replica are as follows:
-Some flaws in dial layout with no perfect placement of markers. 12 and 6 are a bit displaced to the right side.
-LUMINOR MARINA inscription on dial is engraved but less deeply than gen, just like Puretime version of PAM 372, this inscription leaving aside depth is not perfect but accurate enough. Sometimes this inscription seems very yellowish
-PANERAI on dial is not engraved, besides fonts are also a bit inaccurate, this is a big dial flaw. Usually colour is not matching the LM inscription.
-Cannon pinion has bigger diameter than gen CP
-Smaller second hand being too short.
-Inaccurate crystal either mineral or Plexi like rep PAM 372 instead of domed sapphire
Due to above commented this replica is a good and well made watch but as replica we must consider it just a simple Good quality replica, no more
More info in below links:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=169608 by s3g0y
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221664 by s3g0y
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=165805&p=1683229&viewfull=1#post-1683229 by Eqallaf
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=164127 by Psychospike

REPLICA links:
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam422-black-dial-on-brown-lether-strap-a6497/ LOW grade replica
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam422-o-on-brown-asso-leather-strap-p3000/
http://www.tswatchltd.com/14671-pa14671-pam422-o-1-1-black-dial-ss-lt-p3000.html
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1339
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php/index.php?route=product/search&keyword=pam%20422
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=11405
http://www.pf-818.com/pn422o01-series-1950-ssle-black-a6497-p-15055.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_308.html
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/sihh/sihh-2012-panerai-pam-422-luminor-marina-1950-3-days/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1347505210/Poll-+PAM+422+vs+PAM+372
http://www.panerai.com/en/watch-collection/historic-collection/luminor-1950/20-luminor-marina-1950-3-days-pam00422
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EVALUATION: (*)FIRST CLASS REP of Medium level (Version with CLONE3 mvmnt.)
The gen PAM 424 was introduced in 2012 O-series. It is a Radiomir 47mm made of polished SS. With a movement manifattura P.3000 with 3 days of power reserve, showed through a caseback sapphire crystal.
Similar to PAM 448 with the same case, movement and California type of dial with ecru lume colour and no brand inscriptions. But this watch has a less vintage look, with thick sapphire crystal instead of Plexi, golden hands instead of blue and, besides, Pam 424 has a painted OP logo on the dial just above the marker @6.
It is very important to know that this watch in 2012 O-series was released with date window, but from 2014 Q-series (included) the date function was removed, leaving a cleaner and IMO nicer dial without ruining the symmetry of the California dial.
http://paneraiworld.blogspot.com.es/2014/06/radiomir-panerai-pam-424-updated-date.html
Like the PAM 448 the PAM 424 model is based upon one of the most historically significant and beautiful vintage Rolex made Panerai watches ever made, which had an original Rolex Reference Number of 3646. The Panerai Reference 3646 was made in the late 1930s, and featured an Art-Deco Rolex "California" dial, which is unique in the sense that it lacks any brand designation. This gave the dial and watch a super-clean, streamlined Art-Deco look.
The "California" dial featured an upside-down pyramid shaped twelve-o'clock marker, as well as horizontal rectangular markers (indices) located at 3, 6, and 9; coupled with Roman numerals markers at 1, 2, 10 and 11 on the top half of the dial, and featuring Arabic numeral markers on the bottom half of the dial at 4, 5, 7, and 8.
The original vintage Panerai 3646 also had wire lugs that were soldiered to the case, so if you wanted to change the strap, you would have to cut-off the old one with scissors and sew on the new one in place. Also, as a model, it's pretty much identical to a "California" dial Panerai Reference 3646, with just a different dial–same body, different face.
On the wrist, the Panerai California PAM 424 is much easier to wear than what could be inferred from its 47mm diameter.
Its cushion-shaped casing, joined to the watch’s very thin wire loop strap attachments, minimizes the sensation of volume.
Only the thickness of the watch might be an issue with slightly adjusted shirt sleeves.
The fact remains that this Panerai, thanks to its understated dial and the elegant shape of its Radiomir casing, will work just as well despite its voluminous size wearing an informal outfit as it will wearing a suit and tie.
GEN PAM 424 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 16½ lignes, 5.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 162 components.

FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes.
CASE- Diameter 47 mm, AISI 316L polished steel with removable wire loop strap attachments (patented). Screw-down winding crown personalised OP.
BEZEL- Polished steel.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DIAL- Black with luminous Arabic and Roman numerals and hour markers.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, formed of corundum, 2.8 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE-10 bar (~100 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and large-size polished steel buckle.

September 2014 – SF released a rep PAM 424 O-series
This replica is fitted with an improved P.3000 Clone3 movement, closer to the gen, with all inscriptions on bridges corrected in fonts and placement, and with added “jewels” decoration on CAL.P.3000 bridge. Last version Clone2 previously released, had nonexisting “jewels” decoration. New P.3000 Clone3 is closer to gen due to this improved decoration but unfortunately added “jewels” are bigger than gen and the colour is clearly lighter. Besides “jewels” placement is wrong in relation to the gen.
To illustrate accuracy and improvements of Clone3 in relation to the gen and Clone2, see below pic

COMPARISON OF P.3000 CLONE2 – CLONE3 – GEN - Note the added decoration “jewels” bigger and lighter than gen jewels

Clone movement has two barrels and about 7 days of Power Reserve. It is a clone movement not 100% replicated and most likely with some parts based in other existent movements. Balance Wheel position is the same as gen and overall accuracy is quite acceptable. Much more than current decorated movements.
There are still many things to improve in this Clone3 movement but it seems another new step in the right direction:
- Jewels and screws are not all placed in the same positions
- Screws are rounded instead of flat
- Gear train are no visible like in gen
- Bridges have some differences of shape
- Canon pinion is much smaller
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=225965 by josh_w
- Balance Wheel double bridge has not completely accurate shape
- The brushing of two decoration main movement bridges have still , sometimes, a bit different alignment in Clone3 (it is few noticeable and it is hit and miss, most likely will disappear in next batches)
IMO it is another good step, but it is a pity to spend a lot of money and time making a good approach to a gen movement and to ruin the result with SILLY flaws
*****Fantastic and definitive Review of the "Clone1" movement by Rolexman:******************************************************
http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/166048-movement-review-pam-372-p3000-super-clone/
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=168936&p=1704599#post-1704599
Following Rolexman information, this is a new movement no based in other existent movements, with real two barrels, manufacture made carefully with good materials and likely made with some differences to avoid legal problems regarding patents. Different smaller CP would be just a sloppiness. As always many time and money spend to get finally SILLY flaws. But read the review because there are many interesting things to show this is a real step to the clone movement not a simple decoration.
Above mentioned review of Clone1 is completely valid for Clone3 since only changes the inscriptions on bridges and “jewels” decoration.
This replica has corrected and very accurate case set, edges and corners are sharp and well defined, but they are a bit more squared, as usually, and not as smooth as gen ones. Mid-case has accurate engraving “OP 6837” between the lugs @6 and PAM00424 between the lugs @12.
Crystal is available in mineral or sapphire with an extra cost of about 100USD. The sapphire is not only harder, and then less prone to scratches, but it is better quality and transparency. Since is not a cheap rep sapphire crystal is strongly recommendable.
Caseback engravings are correct and accurate. But there is an important issue because O-series from 2012 were released with Date window @3, Officine PANERAI changed to without date window in Q-series. This rep has no Date window but it is marked O-series
Overall, the general feel of quality is excellent, and the rep strap is really good.
California type dial is accurate in layout, colours and fonts, even the engraving of CALIFORNIA is nicely placed @12 in the rehaut. Lume structure is nicely made like gen, with small cavities filled by the lume material, which remains almost flush or a bit recessed (almost nothing) in relation to the dial surface, just like gen. The rep lume material is a bit more rough than gen which has a potato colour and texture, whereas rep is more grainy and uneven in texture, but with accurate colour. See rep lume structure in below pic corresponding to PAM 448, but they are exactly the same:

LUME APPLICATION STRUCTURE IN REP PAM 448 (the same as in Pam 424)

Hands are not as clean and sharp as gen but are accurate in colour and very well made, just the Cannon Pinion is smaller than gen (like in Clone2). Train ring around the dial are close to gen in colour and shape.
This is a replica made without sloppiness and trying to get a good result with the current possibilities of rep manufacture, but a PAM Manifattura movement is a hard challenge for rep makers.
I think this replica has got more level than rep PAM 372 Clone1, 2 and 3. It has better accuracy of dial and better movement accuracy. Unfortunately Clone movement even Clone3 has not the accuracy of a real clone movement. This is an evident flaw, with the display caseback, to get a Super rep status.
It is no easy to evaluate a rep like this one. We know rep maker has made a great effort to get a very good rep. On the other hand an almost impossible to be copied Manifattura movement doesn’t allow the Super rep status. In this case we even are in front of a Clone movement, not a perfect clone but not simply a decorated movement, even with an impressive Power Reserve. We have actually a Super rep on quality but no Super rep in accuracy, like we have in many current reps with decorated movements.
Due to the maker efforts, the quality of the manufacture, the accuracy and beauty of the dial (although the little flaws) and the nice attempt of this build, I was tempted to give an evaluation of First Class high level, but the lume texture, the crown logo, smaller CP and mainly the non-matching O-series wit the lack of date wheel led me to give a smaller evaluation. I would say First Class medium level.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192494 by Trasher
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=238481 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=195716 by Ruski91
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=240294&p=2565129#post2565129 by hykenny

REPLICA links:
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam424-o-sf-california-dial-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000-super-clone/ SF O-series w/ Clone3
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15848-pa15848-pam424-o-sf-perfect-v-california-dial-ss-lt-p3000.html SF O-series w/ Clone3
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1274 SF O-series w/ Clone3
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=12376 SF O-series w/ Clone3
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn424o01-days-ssle-black-p3000-p-16177.html SF O-series w/ Clone3
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_305.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/radiomir/14-radiomir-california-3-days-pam00424
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HjzbxYYcuA
http://www.escapementmagazine.com/articles/panerai-radiomir-california-3-days-%28pam-424%29.html
http://www.thewatchobserver.co.uk/panerai/radiomir-california-pam-424-5114#.VI4MtdLF-So
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=365053
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EVALUATION: (*)FIRST CLASS REP medium level ( SF O-series with P.3000 Clone3 mvmnt.)
EVALUATION: (*)FIRST CLASS REP good level ( SF O-series with P.3000 Clone4 mvmnt.) best option in March 2015
EVALUATION: LOW-GRADE REP (2011 models with A6497 mvmnt.)
The gen PAM 425 was introduced in 2012 O-series. It is a Radiomir 47mm made of polished SS. With a movement manifattura P.3000 with 3 days of power reserve, showed through a caseback sapphire crystal.
Panerai introduced at the 2011 SIHH three impressive Radiomir 47mm watches based in vintage models made in the late 1930’s, they were PAM 376-379 and 373. For each model only changes the precious material of the case-bezel and the vintage like dial type.
The gen PAM 373 was made of Platinum with the old Sticks–Dots S.L.C. dial of first 2533 vintage Panerai prototypes.
Following the idea of this PAM 373 Panerai released in 2012 the PAM 425 made of SS ¡nstead of Platinum like the 373.
The structure of gen PAM 425 is similar to the 373, it has Polished Radiomir 47mm case, Black dial with Gold “double-pencil†shape hands (the hands are pointed on both sides), Display caseback, manual winding 3 days Power Reserve Panerai P.3000 movement, detachable lugs, and Domed Sapphire 2,8mm crystal.
The PAM 373 and 425 are inspired on the vintage 2533, a prototype of which very few were made in the late 1930's (probably between 1935 and 1937). There's a picture of one of these prototypes in thereference section on paneristi.com . The reference section however states that only one unit exists but other sources say that several - at least two - have been made. The Panerai press release also has this paragraph "In Officine Panerai's earlier days there was a rare, mysterious version of the Radiomir of which only two examples are known...". You can find some very interesting further information about the history of the vintage models - including the 2533 - in the post the Rolex-Panerai connection on Rolexblog.blogspot.com.
The gen PAM 425 is a regular production from 2012. It is similar to PAM 449 with the same case, movement and sandwich S.L.C. dial with ecru lume colour and engraved RADIOMIR PANERAI inscriptions. But this watch has a less vintage look, with thick sapphire crystal instead of Plexi, golden hands instead of blue and, besides, Pam 425 has an embossed PIG logo on the dial just above the marker @6.
The PAM 425 Radiomir S.L.C. 3 Days, represents a tribute to the history of Officine Panerai and to a watch that has constituted a fundamental milestone in the history of professional diver’s watchmaking. Many of the characteristics of this watch come straight from the prototype created by Panerai in 1936 to equip the commandos of the Royal Italian Navy. Fitted with a cushion case in stainless steel with measuring 47 mm in diameter, the Radiomir S.L.C. 3 Days features the iconic slender wire strap attachments of the Radiomir line as well as the conical —onion shaped— crown with engraved OP logo.
Its matte black dial with a very simple and minimalist design features alternating bar and dot-shaped hour markers following the legendary Panerai sandwich dial construction, in which a plate is filled with a layer of 'ecru' —vintage patina colored— superluminova and the luminescence from it emerges through the cutouts corresponding to the markers cut in the upper plate. The S.L.C. name of this watch, refers to the “Siluro a Lento Corsaâ€, the slow-speed torpedo on which the commandos of the Royal Italian Navy rode during their heroic underwater missions, equipped with Panerai watches and instruments. One of this slow-speed torpedoes appears embossed on the dial and the inscription “S.L.C.†is engraved on the rehaut at 12 o’clock.
Just like on the PAM 372 the Radiomir Panerai words are engraved out from the dial, rather than printed. The watch features a domed sapphire crystal with anti-reflective coating only on its interior. Therefore, the visibility is heavily compromised by unwanted glare and reflections.
The Officine Panerai Radiomir S.L.C. 3 Days is powered by the in-house calibre P.3000, created entirely by Panerai in Neuchatel. This calibre that is fully visible via the display case back presents the main characteristics of the Panerai movements in terms of structure and robustness, accuracy and power reserve. The diameter of the calibre is 16½ lignes, a substantial size which traces its origins from that of the movements which were fitted to the historic Panerai models.
The calibre is immediately recognizable by its construction, which is similar to that of a three-quarter plate movement: a large bridge, next to another smaller one, covers the majority of the mechanical parts, and is fixed to the bottom plate by a series of screws of substantial thickness, thus forming a particularly rigid structure. The movement has 21 jewels and it uses two spring barrels connected in series. Such an arrangement enables long, thin springs to be used, which ensure the delivery of a more even force over a longer period of time, with a power reserve of 3 days. The balance wheel is notably large —13.2 mm— and it is the variable inertia type, with four adjusting screws arranged externally round the ring, so that the rate can be regulated without the need to remove the whole assembly.
Held by a bridge with twin supports —a fixing much safer and more stable compared to the cantilevered single bridge— the balance wheel oscillates at a frequency 21,600 vph. The calibre P.3000 also features a rapid time adjustment through a small spring clutch that enables the hour hand to be moved one hour at a time, without interfering with the movement of the minute hand or the operation of the watch.
GEN PAM 425 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 16½ lignes, 5.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 160 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes.
CASE- Diameter 47 mm, AISI 316L polished steel with removable wire loop strap attachments (patented). Screw-down winding crown personalised OP.
BEZEL- Polished steel.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DIAL- Black with luminous hour markers.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, formed of corundum, 2.8 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE-
10 bar (~100 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and large-size polished steel buckle.

July 2011- from this date there are low grade reps of this watch fitted with manual A6497 movement. Unfortunately, the gen PAM 425 is a watch hard to copy due to its complicated movement P.3000 with a Display caseback. Therefore, the movement in the rep is very inaccurate. There are too some differences in crystal and case shape, hands shape, etc… , non engraved inscriptions on dial… In general this is not at all an accurate replica and it is not an advisable purchase.

October 2014- A rep of PAM 425 O-series was released by SF.
This replica is fitted with an improved P.3000 Clone3 movement, closer to the gen than first P.300 Clone versions, with all inscriptions on bridges corrected in fonts and placement, and with added “jewels†decoration on CAL.P.3000 bridge. Last version Clone2 previously released, had nonexisting “jewels†decoration. New P.3000 Clone3 is closer to gen due to this improved decoration but unfortunately added “jewels†are bigger than gen and the colour is clearly lighter. Besides “jewels†placement is wrong in relation to the gen.
To illustrate accuracy and improvements of Clone3 in relation to the gen and Clone2, see below pic

COMPARISON OF P.3000 CLONE2 – CLONE3 – GEN - Note the added decoration “jewels†bigger and lighter than gen jewels

Clone movement has two barrels and about 7 days of Power Reserve. It is a clone movement not 100% replicated and most likely with some parts based in other existent movements. Balance Wheel position is the same as gen and overall accuracy is quite acceptable. Much more than current decorated movements.
There are still many things to improve in this Clone3 movement but it seems another new step in the right direction:
- Jewels and screws are not all placed in the same positions
- Screws are rounded instead of flat
- Gear train are no visible like in gen
- Bridges have some differences of shape
- Canon pinion is much smaller
- Balance Wheel double bridge has not completely accurate shape
- The brushing of two decoration main movement bridges have still , sometimes, a bit different alignment in Clone3 (it is few noticeable and it is hit and miss, most likely will disappear in next batches)
IMO it is another good step, but it is a pity to spend a lot of money and time making a good approach to a gen movement and to ruin the result with SILLY flaws
*****Fantastic and definitive Review of the "Clone1" movement by Rolexman:******************************************************
http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/166048-movement-review-pam-372-p3000-super-clone/
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=168936&p=1704599#post-1704599
Following Rolexman information, this is a new movement no based in other existent movements, with real two barrels, manufacture made carefully with good materials and likely made with some differences to avoid legal problems regarding patents. Different smaller CP would be just a sloppiness. As always many time and money spend to get finally SILLY flaws. But read the review because there are many interesting things to show this is a real step to the clone movement not a simple decoration.
Above mentioned review of Clone1 is completely valid for Clone3 since only changes the inscriptions on bridges and “jewels†decoration.
This replica has corrected and very accurate case set in relation with the old low grade versions form July 2011.
Cushion corners PAM 425 in dealers catalogues seem to be a bit more squared than gen ones. After seeing pics from owners, I think it is a false alarm IMO because the corners of PAM 425 in the market are the same as PAM 448 and really good. Anyway this feature is a bit hit and miss in these reps.
“OP 6837†and “PAM000425†engravings between the lugs have accurate enough fonts, very deeply engraved, maybe a bit exaggerated (in some units) and even deeper than gen. Some times fonts in rep are a bit thicker and external contours are overpolished making overall engraving much less clear than gen. I have seen some reps with more accurate and nice engravings between lugs, therefore this is a hit and miss matter. Anyway really good for a rep and very similar to PAM 372 engravings
Dial Layout- Rep inscriptions and markers (either sticks or dots) are well placed and overall layout is accurate.
Sandwich Cutouts (Stick and dots): All rep markers, either sticks or dots, are well defined and very sharp. Contours of the cutouts are very clean and nicely made, just like gen ones. It is possible that rep cutouts are a bit thicker, maybe due to different lighting conditions but anyway few noticeable.
The thickness of the upper layer of the rep sandwich is the same as gen and you cannot see differences on quality. Rep dial is an awesome build in this regard.
RADIOMIR PANERAI engravings on dial. This engraved inscription is an interesting feature of ths watch. It is in the same way as PAM 449 but PAM 425 engravings are clearly thicker.
Gen RADIOMIR PANERAI engraved inscription is really nice, with awesome finish, completely uniform, sharp, crisp and very deep with a strong 3D effect. Yellowish paint is also applied completely uniform. Rep RADIOMIR PANERAI engraved inscription of PAM 425 is not at all bad, as above commented it is thicker than gen and PAM 449 inscription, but is not at all as sharp, crisp, deep and uniform as Gen engravings. You cannot doubt that gen inscriptions are engraved under any light condition an effect of 3D is strong and always present. Rep inscription engravings could disappear under some light conditions.
Gen engravings are “U†shaped and perfect, whereas rep engravings seem more “V†shaped and unequal, making that the inner part of the engravings is very uniform and really marked in gen, whereas in rep there are some differences and is not so marked. Besides, rep paint application is not uniform like in gen, and some lacks of paint can appear in the inner part of the engravings, where you can see some black points with missing paint.
Regarding fonts accuracy there are more differences. Rep fonts are a little bit wider but they are also smaller. Fonts shape presents also some differences. Very noticeable in “R†(shorter tail but longer inner upper part). The same occurs with the inner part of “P†which is clearly longer in rep. It is also noticeable in “Aâ€, because horizontal bar of this character is placed very low in rep. “A†has also a different tip: sharp in gen and blunt in rep. There are also differences in “Eâ€, “M†and even “O†but much less noticeable. Those font differences are few noticeable in practice, but they actually exist and can be used to tell the reps or for identification purposes.
Lume and RADIOMIR PANERAI engravings colour: Markers lume is ECRU like gen, whereas RADIOMIR PANERAI engraving is clearly yellowish like gen. Maybe the contrast is more obvious in rep where both colours are more evident. But this subject is difficult to say without a side by side comparison. Anyway overall very accurate colours very similar to the gen.
Dial Surface colour: Surface dial is black like gen, but the gen has a texture which is less marked in rep. This is few noticeable without enlarged pics or under nuked eye.
L SWISS L inscription @6: This is maybe the most noticeable flaw of this rep dial. It can be realized even without direct pic comparison. Rep inscription is white whereas gen inscription is not so light and remains much less evident in the overall view of the PAM 425 dial. Gen is always clearly less light, way more discreet and less obvious.
Hands and Cannon Pinion: Hands shape is good enough, with less sharp edges (as usually) and a bit thicker lume (as usually). It is very difficult to talk about the blue colour, because depending on light conditions varies from light Blue to black. But following comments from owners of reps PAM 425 the colour is accurate.
CP has a flaw, because rep CP is smaller than gen. But in some light conditions, and following projectologist comments about PAM 448, the differences are not so noticeable and this flaw doesn't seem as serious as we thought. Indeed I have seen some rep CP pics that seemed like gen.
Rehaut S.L.C.engraving: S.L.C. engraving in rehaut is nice, well placed and accurate, a bit less deep and crisp in rep.
Another characteristic feature o this model is the PIG logo on dial. As usually in reps, the PIG logo is not perfect under the loupe, with wrong shapes and less crisp and clean. Gen PIG is sharper, cleaner and much evident, but rep PIG is good enough and under the naked eye differences are few noticeable.
Crystal is available in mineral or sapphire with an extra cost of about 100USD. The sapphire is not only harder, and then less prone to scratches, but it is better quality and transparency. Since is not a cheap rep, sapphire crystal is strongly recommendable.
Crown and crown logo are achúrate. Caseback engravings are correct and accurate.
Overall, the general feel of quality is excellent, and the rep strap is really good.
CONCLUSIONS: Overall SF PAM 425 2014 seems better than expected and we should be glad to see the quality of these last reps of PAM 448, 449, PAM 424 and PAM 425. Overall finish and gen-like appearance are also awesome, layout, colours are very accurate and mainly sandwich cutouts quality is impressive and very gen-like.
It is no easy to evaluate a rep like this. We know rep maker has made a great effort to get a very good rep. On the other hand an almost impossible to be copied Manifattura movement doesn’t allow the Super rep status. In this case we even are in front of a Clone movement, not a perfect clone but not simply a decorated movement, even with an impressive Power Reserve. We have actually a Super rep on quality but no Super rep in accuracy like we have in many current reps with decorated movements.
Unfortunately Clone movement even Clone3 has not the accuracy of a real clone movement. This is an evident flaw, with the display caseback, to get a Super rep status.
Due to LSWISS L colour issue, smaller CP, not perfect PIG and inaccuracies in RADIOMIR PANERAI engravings on dial. This Rep of PAM 425 gets an evaluation of First Class rep of medium level slightly smaller than PAM 424. But the quality, finish and gen-like appearance are like a Super rep, the same as PAM 448.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=196873 by Evora
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=240620 by 4chivis
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=202823 by 4chivis

March 2015- SF releases the same replicas as abiove commented PAM 425 O-series but fitted with the improved P.3000 Clone4.
This movement Clone4 features a more accurate size of decoration “jewels†and better colour (although far from perfect). “Jewels†placement is now really improved in relation with the bridges, it is really close to the gen and close to the best possible achievable from the shape of clone movement bridges.
Below Figure shows the overall comparison of Clone3, Clone4 and gen. We can see the noticeable improvement regarding accuracy of “jewels†and overall placement.

CLONE3 – CLONE4 – GEN COMPARISON

Due to this movement this rep gets a bit better evaluation: First Class rep good level.

PAM 425
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsit-watch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32357 SF O-series w/ P.3000 Clone3
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam425-o-sf-slc-dial-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000-super-clone/ SF O-series w/ P.3000 Clone3
http://www.pure-time.com/product/vintage-radiomir-3646-style-ss-dial-2/ Low grade
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15857-pa15854-pam425-o-sf-perfect-v-california-dial-ss-lt-p3000.html SF O-series w/ P.3000 Clone3
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1429 SF O-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_48&products_id=7806 Low grade

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_306.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/radiomir/15-radiomir-s-l-c-3-days-pam00425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXnDOuU-6c
http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle.com/home/insider-officine-panerai-radiomir-slc-siluro-a-lento-corsa-3-days-pam-425-iconic-like-its-predecessor-from-1936
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2012/05/panerai-pam425-radiomir-slc-47mm.html
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/dive-watches/sihh-2012-panerai-radiomir-s-l-c-pam-425/
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/panerai-pam-425-a-738824.html
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=278418
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EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (H maker)
Evaluation thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=110268
These replicas are the same as 411-420 from H maker, just the caseback engraving is changing. Even they are better because are fitted with an OPII decorated movement. Threfore above Evaluation thread is valid.
Panerai introduced in 2010 M-series the PAM 411 to 420, a line of watchesLuminor Marina type in Special Editions for some Boutiques Panerai around theworld. These line was continued with N-series line, as PAM 432 “SINGAPORE†and PAM 434 “MUNICHâ€.
The Boutiques Special series are Luminor Marina watches of 44mm SS full polished case, Black Sausage dial, vintage patina Luminova, seconds @9 sub-dial, Solid engraved caseback and the “Frogman & Pig SLC†logo hot engraved in the dial.
The only variation of these watches was the engraved caseback which was different for each Boutique, following some typical view of the city where the Boutique is placed, which is moreover the name of the watch.
These watches are very similar to PAM 367 Dedicated to China but this watch doesn’t have the “Frogman-Pig†logo engraved.
They are also very similar to a PAM 001 Pre-A or A/B-series but with Luminova instead of Tritium dial and with the “Frogman-Pig†logo engraved.
The reps of these watches N-series are made from H maker. The leather strap in H maker seems good and similar to the gen. Thse replicas N-series are fitted with an OPII decorated movement (different to M-series)
Since these replicas N-series are the same as M-series, just changing the caseback engraving, even we can consider they are better because they are fitted with an OPII decorated movement, therefore the Evaluation thread for M-series is valid for N-series. Threfore these N-series are Super rep following the results of above mentioned Evaluation thread.
See below the different engraving in casebacks and the number and name of every watch of this line Boutique Special Edition N-series.

ENGRAVINGS IN CASEBACKS OF THE PANERAI LINE OF LUMINOR MARINA BOUTIQUES SPECIAL EDITION N-series

THE MODELS OF PANERAI LUMINOR MARINA BOUTIQUES SPECIAL EDITION N-series

PAM 432 “SINGAPOREâ€
Special Edition of 200 watches.
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_403&products_id=9983
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn432n02-432n-singapore-p-12813.html


PAM 434 “MUNICHâ€
Special Edition of 100 watches.
(**)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_403&products_id=9984
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/0pn434n02-434n-munich-p-12814.html


GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_330.html
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (ZFac version M-series , SS DLC coated w/decorated A7750 w/PR indicator)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP medium level (KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC, non inverted decorated KP9001/B-V2 w/PR indicator)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC, w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9001/B-Seagull V2 w/PR indicator) with correct length of minute hand. The best option available from April 2015 together with ZFac w/ ZP9001/B-V2.5.
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac O-series REAL CERAMIC, w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9001/B-V2.5 w/PR indicator) The best option available from July 2015 together with KW-V6Fac w/ ZP9001/B-Seagull V2.
The gen PAM 438 is similar to PAM 441 but has black ceramic bracelet and the movement is P.9001/B which is a P.9001 coated in black colour with greyish inscriptions. They have the same dial PAM 359 type but with GMT function added.
This watch was presented in 2012 0-series. PAM 438 is a Luminor 1950 3 Days GMT Automatic Ceramica, it is on black ceramic bracelet and is called “Tuttonero†due to pure black matte look of the watch, which gives it a nice stealth look. It is a case made of Black ceramic 44mm, fitted with manual-wind mechanical Panerai P.9001/B calibre, this movement is the same as P.9000 but is fitted with a Little back Power Reserve indicator and has black coated bridges and parts.
Functions: hours, minutes, small seconds, date, 2nd time zone, power reserve indicator on the back, seconds reset, Crystal: Sapphire (2.3 mm) and display caseback with darkened sapphire crystal. GMT function in gen is 12 hrs. GMT hand turns once every 12 hrs. This is not possible in replica movements, therefore in reps we will have GMT hand turning once every 24hrs.

There are in 2013 some cheap reps is SS black DLC coated fieetd with cheap movements and no interesting as replicas.

January 2014- ZFac releases a rep PAM 438 O-series made of SS DLC coated, previously sanblastred or beadblasted to get the appearance of gen black ceramic case-set.
The PAM 438 TUTTONERO released by ZFac seems a good attempt to get a First Class replica.
It is really well built and the finish is nice, colour and surface finish seem accurate to get a ceramic-like appearance. Sandblasted or beadblasted treatment is applied, instead of brushing, before DLC coating to get the ceramic texture appearance.
This replica is fitted with a black decorated A7750 based movement, which features a false Power Reserve indicator
Overall is an accurate replica and you would need to know a little the gen and the black P.9001/B movement to tell the replica without a thorough observation. Unfortunately, due to the info currently available, many people are able to know every detail for any watch in some minutes. Therefore the work of replica makers is more and more hard.
Regarding gen and rep comparisons we need to clarify several points:
-Polemic inscription CERAMICA is correct. Because some catalogues and prototypes show CERAMIC but watches in the market have CERAMICA.
-Deployant clasp is SS natural silver colour like gen.
-Gen AR is single-side and not strong like in PAM 359 and similar
See this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZHu1omDP8c
In this ZFac PAM 438 we can see, by the pics and info available, some clear flaws of different types.
1-Flaws impossible to be corrected without using a real clone movement (impossible at this moment)
2-Flaws impossible to be corrected without using the correct ceramic material (not impossible but difficult and with other problems at this moment)
3-Flaws more or less easy to be corrected and that could have been avoided with a more careful project, design or manufacture. Anyway perfectly correctable flaws at this moment.
These last flaws, it is a pity that makers, maybe for sloppiness or pressed by the commercial competition, cannot avoid them. In this way, we get in the market very good replicas, after many time, efforts and money spent, but with several “silly†flaws which ruin a well made work
1-Flaws impossible to be corrected without using a real clone movement (impossible at this moment)
-Since it is a decorated like P.9001 movement based on A7750, it features false Power Reserve indicator, it has some unavoidable inaccuracies and, obviously, inverted layout like other decorated A7750 based movements. See balance wheel @7 in gen and @11 in rep. Besides, due to A7750 subdial @9 position, the seconds subdial is a little displaced, few noticeable.

ZFac BLACK DECORATED A7750 MOVEMENT LIKE P.9001/B. WITH PR INDICATOR
-GMT function with one turn every 24 hrs of GMT hand, instead of 12hrs. like gen. There is no solution for this issue with a rep movement.
2-Flaws impossible to be corrected without using the correct ceramic material (not impossible but difficult and with other problems at this moment)
-Since the rep is made of SS DLC and the gen is real ceramic, the rep weight is much higher. This difference could be decreased using Titanium instead of SS, but anyway the weight would be also lighter.
3-Flaws more or less easy to be corrected and that could have been avoided with a more careful project, design or manufacture. Anyway perfectly correctable flaws at this moment.
-Inaccurate fonts and placements of inscription on movement decoration bridges
-Inaccurate colour of movement inscriptions, it is too white instead of greyish or silver like gen ones.
-Inaccurate text about number of jewels. Gen is 29 twenty-nine and rep says 28 twenty-eight
-Decoration jewels seem black painted in rep
-Inaccurate fonts on caseback engravings. Mainly TUTTONERO is wrong and bad defined. See mainly the ugly “Râ€
-Wrong shape of lever tip. It is clearly narrower and more rounded in outer side. Gen has a shape with increasing width from the base to the tip, rep shape is more uniform from base to tip. Lever end in contact with the crown has also wrong narrower shape.
-Crown seems a little narrower.
-The CG hollow to shelter the crown need more angled shape like a “Dâ€
-Dial markers seems fine but a bit white on pics, but in person colour seems more creamy vintage like Gen.
Due to that we could classify this rep as a First Class replica bordering lower status.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=168891 by mysterio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221230 by mysterio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221213 by ghoatson
Small review:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=222668&p=2399598#post2399598 by Kalengkong

October 2014- KW-V6Fac released a PAM 438 O-series made of real ceramic (together with ceramic PAM 441). That was a true revolution in PAM reps because there was no real ceramic PAM reps aside the PAM 292.
This rep is fitted with a new rep P.9001/B V2 decorated movement from KW that we can call KP9001/B-V2. It is based on A7750 with a non inverted layout decoration. Of course balance wheel is still place @11 instead of @7 like gen. In this way the movement has the same layout as the gen but the placement is completely rotated. The bridges have the same shape as other non inverted KW movements like KP9000-V2. Main decoration bridge has a false power reserve circular indicator typical of P.9001 movements. Movement is black coated like gen and looks nice mainly under the darkened caseback crystal which hides somehow the inaccuracies of the decorated movement. Inscription on bridges are a bit whiter than gen, the text and inscriptions are different from previous versions and it is pending to check the accuracy. OFFICINE PANERAI inscription and logo on the rotor are nicely raised and with a nice silver colour. Overall the movement is accurate enough. Be careful because first announcements on catalogues showed movements with wrong TWENTY EIGHT and inverted layout decorated movements, and it could have a first batch with that movement.
The ceramic case and screwed ceramic bezel (with a good AR crystal) have an awesome finish and colour just like gen, lugs contours are the same as gen and the inner corner is rounded like all gen PAM ceramic cases. The CG is nicely made and has almost perfect chamfered corners like gen. The ceramic lever is very accurate and works smoothly with nicely finished pin. The bracelet is real ceramic, it is made with a high quality and gen appearance, just with the same finish and colour as the case, this is a nice feature since gen has this kind of uniformity and gives to the watch a nice stealth character. Caseback with darkened crystal has correct engravings, otherwise PAM 441 which started with wrong inscription of CERAIMC instead of CERAMIC. Dial has accurate shape and thickness of the markers sandwich cutouts either in big or little numerals and the date wheel is accurate in font and colour with a date window with black inner edges. Lume is accurate ecru vintage and strong enough. Hands and hand lume are accurate. Only the CP is a bit recessed and a bit pointed. Of course the rep GMT function is 24 hrs. whereas gen has GMT12hrs.
To get more and perfect info about this nice rep, read below Review and pictorial by mysterio
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=200231 by mysterio
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=90206&pid=1466195&st=0&#entry1466195 by mysterio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=241490 by mysterio
And it is also very informative the review of KW PAM 441 Ceramic by Polonus, since this watch have the same case (just different caseback, movement and strap)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=200104 by Polonus
Unfortunately, as you can see in a post by hifiskipper, the minute hand is clearly shorter than gen, the same as in previous KW versions:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=200231&p=2066246&viewfull=1#post-2066246 by hifiskipper
This issue was corrected in last batches, but you should be careful with QC pics and buying pre-owned watches
As above said this is a fantastic rep to be fully enjoyed, just CP and GMT 24 hrs. function together with the decorated movement don’t allow top get a Super rep status but the overall quality is among the best found on reps. Maybe the nicest rep ceramic case ever made. Seeing this watch we can realize how far of the gen were the previous reps of this watch.
I would say this rep is a little step over the KW PAM 441 ceramic due to a more accurate caseback and movement (non inverted). We can give this rep an evaluation of First Class rep medium level (due to shorter minute hand)
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=198670 by Snaaakeey
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=240237 by mclee
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=88824&pid=1450323&st=0&#entry1450323 by dragonette
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=240763&page=4 by Puretime
Review and pictorial KW PAM 441 Ceramic valid for KW PAM 438 Ceramic case-set
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=200104 by Polonus
Review and pictorial by mysterio
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=200231 by mysterio
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=90206&pid=1466195&st=0&#entry1466195 by mysterio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=241490 by mysterio


April 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep of PAM 438 O-series, made of real Ceramic. This rep is fitted with a movement fitted with a new KP9001/B-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9001/B with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough and with some variations between batches, but overall seems better than A7750.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole†very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9001/B-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen. Everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
The rest of this rep remains almost the same as previous KW-V6Fac version fitted with decorated A7750 NON-inverted. Just the CP is better than A7750 versions. Maker had corrected the length of the minute hand in last batches of previous version, therefore we could consider corrected this flaw in this new version, but, anyway, we should be careful with QCpics and buying pre-owned reps.
A better movement and nicer CP allows an evaluation of First Class rep high level (with corrected length of minute hand). This is IMO the best option available from April 2015, together with ZFac w/ decorated A7750 improved ZP9001/B-V2.5.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/225180-My-brand-new-Tuttonero by Therion666
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=101599 by thrn
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/249599-witch-pam-438-is-better-ZF-or-V6F by maximalek
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/214240-Opinions-on-pam438 by Crazivi3tdude
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/215765-pam-438-kw-seagull-tuttonero by Sead


July 2015- ZFac released a rep of PAM 438 O-series in real ceramic.This rep is fitted with a new ZP9001/B-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9001/B with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The paint and finish are good enough.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole†almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9001/B-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9001/B NON-inverted KP9001/B-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen. Everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.
The rest of the watch is really nice with a ceramic case in the same level as KW-V6Fac version. We can consider an evaluation similar to the KW-V6Fac w/Seagull NON-inverted: First Class rep high level. This is IMO the best option available from July 2015, together with KW-V6Fac w/decorated Seagull KP9001/B-Seagull V2.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/249599-witch-pam-438-is-better-ZF-or-V6F by maximalek
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/214240-Opinions-on-pam438 by Crazivi3tdude

PAM 438
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32370 KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9001/B-V2 w/PR indicator
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam438-o-ceramic-lite-v6f-11-best-edition-on-ceramic-bracelet-p9001b-free-asso-strap/ KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam438-o-ceramic-zf-11-best-edition-on-ceramic-bracelet-p9001b/ ZFac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved V2.5
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam438-o-ceramic-v6f-11-best-edition-on-ceramic-bracelet-p9001b-free-asso-strap/ KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9001/B-V2 w/PR indicator
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam438-o-ceramic-v6f-11-best-edition-on-ceramic-bracelet-p9001b/ KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9001/B-V2 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam438-o-dlc-zf-11-best-edition-on-dlc-bracelet-p9001b/ ZFac O-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16672-pa16672-pam438-o-luminor-gmt-v6f-ceramic-seagull-st255-23j-automatic.html KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15910-pa15910-pam438-o-luminor-gmt-v6f-ceramic-p9001.html KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9001/B-V2 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14964-pa14964-pam438-o-luminor-gmt-ceramic-full-dlc-coating-zf-1-1-best-p9001.html ZFac O-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted w/PR indicator
http://www.tswatchltd.com/14033-pa14033-pam438.html Low grade version 2013
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2984 ZFac O-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1480 KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1668 ZFac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved V2.5
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1265 KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9001/B-V2 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=438&product_id=945 ZFac O-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2000-pam438-o-ceramic-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-ceramic-bracelet-p9001-b-free-asso-strap.html KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2001-pam438-o-ceramic-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-ceramic-bracelet-p9001-b-a7750-free-asso-strap.html KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9001/B-V2 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13196 KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=11673 ZFac O-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13015 KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9001/B-V2 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12546 KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9001/B-V2 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn438o08-ceramica-cercr-p9001-p-16925.html KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9001/B-Seagull V2 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn438o08-ceramica-cercr-p9001-p-16925.html KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9001/B-V2 w/PR indicator

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_312.html
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-5369893/ti-799963/t-/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRM08KEQSis
8-5

EVALUATION: (*)FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower status (PT version O-series whithout PR indicator)
EVALUATION: (*)FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower status (KW version O-series , decorated with PR indicator, version marked 28 Jewels)
EVALUATION: (*)FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower status (KW version O-series , decorated with PR indicator, correct version marked 29 Jewels)
EVALUATION: (*)FIRST CLASS REP bordering a lower status (ZFac version P-series , decorated with PR indicator)
EVALUATION: (*)FIRST CLASS REP medium level (KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC, decorated P9001 w/PR indicator). assuring correct length of minute hand.
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (ZFac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted ZP9001-V2)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted KP9001-V2). Best option in January 2015 together with KP9001-Seagull V2
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted KP9001-SeagullV2). Best option in January 2015 together with KP9001-V2, but this option is cheaper and the most advisable IMO
The gen PAM 441 is basically a version with Asso strap of PAM 438 Tuttonero. They have the same dial PAM 359 type but with GMT function added.
This watch was presented in 2012 M-sereis. PAM 441 is a Luminor 1950 3 Days GMT Automatic Ceramica. It is a case made of Black ceramic 44mm, fitted with manual-wind mechanical Panerai P.9001 calibre, this movement is the same as P.9000 but is fitted with a Little back Power Reserve indicator
Functions: hours, minutes, small seconds, date, 2nd time zone, power reserve indicator on the back, seconds reset, Crystal: Sapphire (2.3 mm) and display caseback with darkened sapphire crystal. GMT function in gen is 12 hrs. GMT hand turns once every 12 hrs. This is not possible in replica movements, therefore in reps we will have GMT hand turning once every 24hrs.

May 2013- Puretime released a rep PAM 441 O-series made of SS DLC Dark grey coated. This rep is fitted with a A7750 movement decorated like a Paneari P.9000. Please note P.9000, because the Power Reserve indicator is missing. This decoration is not as perfect and carefully made as KW decoration, but it is an acceptable approach to the gen look. Obviously the movement layout is inverted, since the A7750 has the balance wheel @11 hrs. whereas the P.9000 has the wheel @7 hrs. See below pic. This is not a step to the P.9000 clone, it is just a decoration of a conventional A7750 to seem a gen P.9000. In this watch the decoration features a false, and non working, escapement wheel. This model of replica has even a darkened caseback crystal like the gen.
Thiscan be considered as a Frist Class rep bordering a lower status, since themovement is not a real P.9000 clone, GMT function is 24 hrs. and the materialis not ceramic like gen.
More info about this replica:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=207181
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=207349

DECORATED PURETIME MOVEMNT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9000 - WITH FALSE ESCAPEMENT WHEEL
More info about this movement:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=203531
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=207181

July 2013- KW release through some dealers a version of PAM 441 O-series (some items are marked M-series but it is the same watch) with decorated movement like P.9001 with Power Reserve indicator in main bridge and darkened back crystal (this darkened crystal must be confirmed this is not assured) .
As above said reps of watches fitted with P.9001 with PR indicator, don’t get this indicator even in decorated versions, and usually they had a decorated movement like P.9000 without indicator.
This new KW version is fitted with an obviously false PR indicator only for decoration purposes. It is exactly the same decorated movement for PAM 312 and PAM 386 but with the PR indicator included. This is a new step in decoration movements. Of course this PR is placed in inverted position following the inverted layout of base movement A7750 and the GMT function is 24 hrs (instead of 12 hrs. like gen). This movement has a wrong Jewels inscription on bridges saying “TWENTY – EIGHT (28) JEWELSâ€, because gen inscription is “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELSâ€

KW DECORATED A7750 MOVEMENT LIKE P.9001 – WITH FALSE POWER RESERVE INDICATOR INCLUDED
More info about this movement:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=152093
Bearing in mind that the gen watch is made of ceramic but the rep is made of SS DLC coated, the inaccurate movement and GMT function 24 hrs., although the quality of construction of this replica, we must consider it a First Class rep of low level . Seeing the decorated movement with PR indicator we can say it is superior to other decorated versions without these device.
November 2013- ZFac releases a PAM 441 P-series, made of SS DLC coated, with darkened caseback crystal and decorated A7750 based movement like P.9001, with false Power Reserve indicator in main bridge, very similar to KW decoration in finish and appearance.
As above said reps of watches fitted with P.9001 PR indicator, don’t get this indicator even in decorated versions, and usually they had a decorated movement like P.9000 without indicator.
Decoration is based in Puretime type with the same positions of inscriptions, but has the Balance Cock KW style decorated. This movement has “real jewels†as false decoration instead of painted like P.9000 ZFac decorated movement. Obviously the decorated movement has also inverted layout in comparison with the gen, and the Balance Wheel is placed @11 whereas in gen is @7, as you can see in below pics. Of course GMT function is 24 hrs (instead of 12 hrs. like gen). This movement has a wrong Jewels inscription on bridges saying “TWENTY – EIGHT (28) JEWELSâ€, because gen inscription is “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELS†(from about Mars-April 2014 ZFac corrected this flaw introducing the correct inscription “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELS†in the decorated movement P.9001)

DECORATED ZFac TYPE MOVEMENT A7750 LIKE PANERAI P.9100 –WITH POWER RESERVE INDICATOR
Comments about this ZFac replica:
- Finish of this ZFac rep seems similar to KW watches, but it really is worse and have not the same care for details as KW Pam 320 or PAM 312 have. It seems that these first batches from ZFac have a little lack of consistency in quality and finish.
- Some owners say that crystal of ZFac is more gen-like bevelled than KW version. Not yet confirmed
- Cannon pinion is flush and more accurate in ZFac version, whereas in KW version is recessed.
- Movement decoration are very similar, since ZFac P.9001 also has “real jewels†in decoration
Anyway,very good ZFac replicas with almost the same level of KW. First Class borderinga lower status, due to display caseback with inaccurate movement, inaccuratematerial and GMT function 24 hrs.

December 2013- Cartel releases a version with Seagull movement decorated in Black like a APM 438 Tuttonero (but without bracelet).
http://www.p-cls.com/pn44102-1950-days-dlcle-black-asian-p-15209.html
I don't like this version. Since movement is black it is not a 441 but a replica of PAM 438 without bracelet
Date window and wheel fonts are much smaller than gen. Very inaccurate. Markers Lume, inscriptions colour and hand lume non matching, very different colours. CERAMICA inscription is ok but wrong colour. Wrong engravings in caseback (even engraved Stainless Steel)
Movement decoration is a good attempt but has lighter inscriptions (they are greyer in gen), and you can read 28 jewels instead of 29. This is not the way to go for a modern quality PAM replica, besides it is not cheap. Nowadays PAM people are asking for other care for details and accuracy. Low grade replicas and expensive.
Some info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=219990 by mysterio
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=166742 by Sora

From about Mars-April 2014- (because it was not announced by the maker) ZFac made the correction of Jewels inscription on movement bridges. This movement had a wrong Jewels inscription on bridges saying “TWENTY – EIGHT (28) JEWELS†whereas gen is 29 JEWELS . From about Mars-April 2014 ZFac corrected this flaw, introducing the correct inscription “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELS†in the decorated movement P.9001. This is a little improvement, enough to compensate the difference of quality between ZFac and KW, making these versions equivalent.
Some comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=180321 by Migueltt

August 2014- KW, without concrete announcement, made the correction of Jewels inscription on movement bridges. This movement had a wrong Jewels inscription on bridges saying “TWENTY – EIGHT (28) JEWELS†whereas gen is 29 JEWELS . Therefore, from August 2014 KW corrected this flaw, introducing the correct inscription “TWENTY – NINE (29) JEWELS†in the decorated movement P.9001. Be careful because the improvement is not announced and then the maker is theoretically not obligated to introduce the modification. Just conform with dealers and QC pics.

September 2014- SF released a rep PAM 441 M-series made of SS with DLC coating. This rep is fitted with the same movement as KW A7750 decorated P9001 previously commented. This rep has wrong fonts on some dial markers, little numeral fonts are thicker than gen, it has few chamfered corners on CG, CP is the ugly Fac type. We cannot evaluate this rep more than a very good quality rep.

October 2014- ZFac released a rep PAM 441 O-series made of SS with DLC coating. This rep is fitted with the same movement as KW A7750 decorated P9001 previously commented. This rep has accurate dial with thinner little numerals like gen, chamfered corners on CG are almost no existent, CP is the ugly Fac type. This version is almost the same as P-series but has more accurate KW type movement is less accurate than KW previously commented and has worse and less consistent finish. Evaluation: First Class bordering a lower status, due to display caseback with inaccurate movement, inaccurate material and GMT function 24 hrs.

October 2014- KW-V6Fac released a PAM 441 made of real ceramic. That was a true revolution in PAM reps because there was no real ceramic PAM reps aside the PAM 292. The rep is fitted with the already known KW decorated P.9001 inverted layout with PR indicator and corrected inscription on bridges TWENTY NINE (29) jewels. Inscription colour seems a bit white than gen, but the darkened caseback crystal helps to hide those flaws an a bit inaccurate decorated movement
Be careful because first announcements on catalogues showed movements with wrong TWENTY EIGHT and it could have a first batch with wrong inscriptions. The ceramic case and screwed ceramic bezel (with a good AR crystal) have an awesome finish and colour just like gen, lugs contours are the same as gen and the inner corner is rounded like all gen PAM ceramic cases. The CG is nicely made and has almost perfect chamfered corners like gen. The ceramic lever is very accurate and works smoothly with nicely finished pin. Caseback with darkened crystal of first batch had wrong ceramic material instead of Titanium and had wrong inscription of CERAIMC instead of CERAMIC. But those casebacks will be changed by the dealers for correct ones. Dial has accurate shape and thickness of the markers sandwich cutouts either in big or little numerals and the date wheel is accurate in fant and colour with a date window with black inner edges. Lume is accurate ecru vintage and strong enough. Hands and hand lume are accurate.Only the CP is a bit recessed and a bit pointed. Of course the rep GMT function is 24 hrs. whereas gen has GMT12hrs. Rep Asso strap and buckle are of high quality and can be used without problems matching perfectly the watch and its quality.
To get more and perfect info about this nice rep, read below Review and pictorial of KW PAM 441 Ceramic by Polonus:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=200104 by Polonus
Unfortunately, as you can see in a post by hifiskipper, the minute hand is clearly shorter than gen, the same as in previous KW versions:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=200231&p=2066246&viewfull=1#post-2066246 by hifiskipper
This flaw was corrected in following versions and you should be careful checking QC pics when thr purchasing process.
As above said this is a fantastic rep to be fully enjoyed, just CP and GMT 24 hrs. function together with the decorated movement don’t allow top get a Super rep status but the overall quality is among the best found on reps. Maybe the nicest rep ceramic case ever made. Seeing this watch we can realize how far of the gen were the previous reps of this watch. We can give this rep an evaluation of First Class rep medium level (assuring a correct length of minute hand) and of course the best option of rep PAM 441 in November 2014.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=198425 by nicktan182
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=240072 by mclee
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=88824&pid=1450323&st=0&#entry1450323 by dragonette
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=199064 by frigpig
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=198802 by Rookie888
Review and pictorial KW PAM 441 Ceramic
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=200104 by Polonus

January 2015- ZFac released a new version rep of PAM 441 O-series made of real ceramic, the same as ZFac version above commented, but fitted with a decorated A7750 movement with correct non-inverted layout called ZP9001-V2. This movement has a false Power Reserve indicator with the same appearance as gen. The ZP9001-V2 is still based in A7750 (therefore with balance wheel still @11 instead of @7) but with non inverted layout due to a technical trick. Maker in this movement has not reduced the Balance cock to a simple bar, otherwise previous versions, but the real balance cock remains (like KW versions) almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout similar to the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. Regarding inscriptions accuracy of position it is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before but with correct orientation, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version. Due to the characteristics of A7750 the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole†is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. Besides the false power reserve indicator is not accurate. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement almost as inaccurate as previous versions.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9001-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel

GEN P.9001 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9001-V2
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone seems very different. Those differences are the same in previous inverted versions but you cannot expect much improvement from the new decorated movement ZP9000-V2, leaving aside the correct layout and the correct orientation of the inscriptions.
We have to say that the new ZP9001-V2 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous versions either from ZFac or KW. Then, at least, this is a nice improvement. Since the real balance cock has not been reduced we can expect the same working reliability as KW versions.
This rep gets a little better evaluation than previous inverted version, we can consider it a First Class rep good level.

January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a new version rep of PAM 441 O-series made of real ceramic, the same as KW-ZFac version above commented, but fitted with a decorated A7750 movement with correct non-inverted layout called KP9001-V2. This movement has a false Power Reserve indicator with the with the same appearance as gen. The KP9001-V2 is still based in A7750 (therefore with balance wheel still @11 instead of @7) but with non- inverted layout due to a technical trick. In contrast to first ZFac ZP9000-V2 batches, KW maker has not reduced the Balance cock, but KW has decided leaving the real balance cock without modification thinking of it would remain hidden enough under the regulation device and false escapement wheel, and in my opinion this is true, because the real balance cock of KP9001-V2 remains almost invisible. Like in ZFac ZP9001-V2, KW has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but this KW decoration is way more accurate than ZFac one. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout similar to the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. Regarding inscriptions accuracy of position it is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that.
Although the A7750 decoration bridges around the Balance wheel are less open than gen, the shape of KW decoration leaves a rep Balance wheel “hole†smaller than gen but more open than in ZFac ZP9001-V2 movement, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. Besides the false power reserve indicator is way more accurate in this KW version in comparison with the ZFac. Surface brushing finish on decoration bridges is clearly better in KW movement.
The more accurate balance cock decoration, the better finish of the brushing on decoration bridges, the more accurate power reserve indicator and the bigger balance wheel “hole†make this movement clearly more accurate than Zfac ZP9001-V2 movement.
Everything is no perfect, as usually, because KP9001-V2 has bridges inscriptions thicker and worse defined than gen. This flaw is a bit hit and miss, because there are some KP9001-V2 movements whit less thick inscriptions but always thicker than gen. In this regard ZFac ZP9001-V2 movement is more accurate than KW.
Bellow is showed New movement KP9001-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel

GEN P.9001 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED KW KP9001-V2
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)

Although the inscriptions on decoration plates are better and really good in ZFac ZP9001-V2 movement, KW is actually more accurate.
Regarding the rest of the watch there are no visible modifications. New KP9001-V2 decorated movement allows an upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is more accurate than previous version with inverted layout movement, but cannot get a big increase of evaluation just because balance wheel remains placed @11 and the movement still remains inaccurate. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep high level just more accurate than previous version and closer to Super rep status. This is the best option in January 2015 together with KW-V6Fac version fitted with decorated Seagull non-inverted below commented.

January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a new version rep of PAM 441 O-series made of real ceramic, the same as KW-ZFac version above commented, but fitted with a decorated Seagull movement with correct non-inverted layout called KP9001-Seagull V2. This movement has a false Power Reserve indicator with the same appearance as gen. The new KP9001-Seagull V2 is based in Seagull ST 2555. This movement has the balance wheel @6 closer to the gen position @7. Features non- inverted layout due to a technical trick the same as above mentioned movements, KW maker has not reduced the Balance cock, but KW has decided leaving the real balance cock without modification thinking of it would remain hidden enough under the the false escapement wheel, and in my opinion this is true, because the real balance cock of KP9001-Seagull V2 remains no noticeable. It is of course more visible that in A7750 version but it goes missing enough. Like in ZFac ZP9001-V2 and KW KP9001.V2, KW has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but this KW decoration is way more accurate than ZFac one. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout similar to the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. Regarding inscriptions complete accuracy of position it is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but being the gen palced @7 the differences of position are much less noticeable with this Seagull movement .
Although the Seagull decoration bridges around the Balance wheel are less open than gen, the shape of KW decoration leaves a rep Balance wheel “hole†smaller than gen but more open than in ZFac ZP9001-V2 movement, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. Besides the false power reserve indicator is way more accurate in this KW version in comparison with the ZFac. Surface brushing finish on decoration bridges is clearly better in KW movement.
The more accurate balance cock decoration, the balance wheel @7 instead of @11 (near @7 of the gen), the better finish of the brushing on decoration bridges, the accurate power reserve indicator and the bigger balance wheel “hole†make this movement clearly more accurate than Zfac ZP9001-V2 movement.
Everything is no perfect, as usually, because KP9001-SeagullV2 has bridges inscriptions thicker and worse defined than gen. This flaw is a bit hit and miss, because there are some KP9001-Seagull V2 movements whit less thick inscriptions but always thicker than gen. In this regard ZFac ZP9001-V2 movement is more accurate than KW.
Bellow is showed New movement KP9001-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel

GEN P.9001 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED KW KP9001-Seagull V2
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)

Although the inscriptions on decoration plates are better and really good in ZFac ZP9001-V2 movement, KW is actually more accurate. Since the position of balance wheel @6 is closer to gen position @7 we can conclude that KP9001-Seagull V2 is the most accurate P.9000 decorated in January 2015.
Regarding the rest of the watch there are no visible modifications. New KP9001-Seagull V2 decorated movement allows an upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is more accurate than previous versions with inverted layout movement, but cannot get a big increase of evaluation just because balance wheel remains placed @6 and the movement still remains inaccurate. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep high level just more accurate than previous version and closer to Super rep status. This is the best option in January 2015 together with KW-V6Fac version fitted with decorated A7750 non-inverted previously commented. Anyway, bearing in mind the placement of balance wheel @6 (closer to gen @7) and the price clearly inferior in this version, I lean towards this Seagull version.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=208534 by tr0y
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=208588 by dennis7899

PAM 441
REPLICA LINKS:
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32588 KW-V6Fac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted KP9001-Seagull V2
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/kw-products/panerai/1-1-panerai-pam441-o-real-ceramic-kw-best-edition.-update-movement/ KW-V6Fac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted KP9001-V2
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32408 KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC, decorated P9001 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32175 KW decorated with PR indicator
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam441-o-real-ceramic-v6f-11-best-edition-lite-on-brown-asso-strap-p9001/ KW-V6Fac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted KP9001-Seagull V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam441-o-real-ceramic-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p9001aa/ KW-V6Fac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted KP9001-V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam441-o-real-ceramic-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-zp9001/ ZFac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted ZP9001-V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam441-o-real-ceramic-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p90012/ KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC, decorated P9001 w/PR indicator
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam441-o-dlc-zf-best-edition-on-dark-brown-asso-strap-p9001-v4/ ZFac O-series decorated P9001 w/PR indicator
http://puretime.watch/product/pam441-m-sf-dlc-black-dial-on-dark-brown-asso-strap-p9001/ SF M-series decorated P9001 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam441-p-dlc-zf-best-edition-on-dark-brown-asso-strap-p9001-movement/ ZFac P-series decorated with PR movement
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam441-o-dlc-best-edition-on-brown-croc-style-leather-strap-p9000-movement/ PT decorated mvmnt. version
(*)http://www.ts-station.co/16443-pa16443-pam441-o-real-ceramic-casing-v6f-seagull-st255.html KW-V6Fac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted KP9001-Seagull V2
(*)http://www.ts-station.co/15860-pa15860-pam441-o-real-ceramic-v6f-pre-order-p9001-.html KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC, decorated P9001 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.ts-station.co/16294-pa16294-pam441-o-real-ceramic-zf-p9001.html ZFac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted ZP9001-V2
http://www.ts-station.co/15795-pa15795-pam441-m-z-factory-v3-luminor-gmt-blk-dlc-lt-p9001-.html SF M-series decorated P9001 w/PR indicator (TSW catalogue indicates ZFac M instead of SF M)
(*)http://www.ts-station.co/15657-pa15657-pam441-m-luminor-gmt-black-pvd-lt-p9000.html KW decorated with PR indicator (correct 29 jewels inscription)
(*)http://www.ts-station.co/14641-pa14641-pam441-p-z-factory-v2-luminor-gmt-blk-dlc-lt-p9001-.html ZFac P-series decorated with PR movement
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1391 ZFac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted ZP9001-V2
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+441&product_id=911 ZFac P-series decorated with PR movement
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+441&product_id=940 KW decorated with PR indicator
(*)http://www.7750asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3410 KW-V6Fac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted KP9001-Seagull V2
(*)http://www.7750asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3323 KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC, decorated P9001 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.7750asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2716 ZFac P-series decorated with PR movement
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/1965-pam441-o-real-ceramic-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p9001.html KW-V6Fac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted KP9001-Seagull V2
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/1629-pam441-o-real-ceramic-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p9001.html ZFac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted ZP9001-V2
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1890 ZFac O-series ceramic w/non-inverted ZP9001-V2
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1629 KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC, decorated P9001 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1176 ZFac P-series decorated with PR movement
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12478 KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC, decorated P9001 w/PR indicator
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_51&products_id=11066 KW decorated with PR indicator
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn441o08-ceramica-cerle-p9001-p-16297.html KW-V6Fac O-series REAL CERAMIC, decorated P9001 w/PR indicator
http://www.p-cls.com/pn44102-1950-days-dlcle-black-asian-p-15209.html Low grade version black decorated mvmt.

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_311.html
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1338323026/A+few+new+photos+of+the+new+Ceramic+PAM00438Tutto+Nero+and+PAM00441
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EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP (2013 with Decorated mvmts.)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP of Good level (Version SF with CLONE2 mvmnt.)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP of Good level (Version ZFac with CLONE4 mvmnt.)
The successful way started by OP in 2011 with PAM 372 was continued in 2012 with the releases of two new vintage-inspired PAMs.
The two models PAM 448 and 449 are faithful versions of two famous Panerais of the 1930s, both fitted with movement P.3000 with 3 days or Power Reserve.
Both watches the California PAM 448 and SLC PAM 449 are Special Editions of 750 units, although initially they were introduced as 500 units editions.
Two almost identical watches, but differentiated just by dial PAM 448 has California dial and 449 has S.L.C. dial.
PAM 448 and 449 feature the familiar 47mm steel polished Radiomir case with wire lug strap attachments and, for these boutique editions, blue-edged double-pencil shape hands and a thick Plexiglas crystal. The cases have the word, “VINTAGE†engraved below the 6 o’clock strap loop, PAM 00448 and PAM00449 engraved below the 12 o’clock strap loop and the word “California†or “SLC†engraved on the rehaut above 12 o’clock.
PAM 448 is following the line of PAM 249 produced in 2006, a watch very similar to PAM 448 but fitted with OPX movement instead of P.3000. There are some other little differences as train ring in the contour of dial which is closer to the dial edge in PAM 448 and the thickness since PAM 448 (with the thicker P.3000) is thicker than PAM 249, either case or caseback plate. Logos in the crown are different too, because PAM 448 has the typical OP logo whereas PAM 249 had just letters O.P.
The main differences are illustrated here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/638808/message/1327071711/Comparing+PAM+249+with+the+new+PAM+448+(SIHH+2012)
PAM 249 was inspirited in the famous 3646 vintage model from 1930s.
As above commented Pam 448 features the famous California Arabic / Roman numeral dial that was originally made as a sample dial that Panerai used to show the different markers that could be had on their watches. Legend has it that a buyer from California liked the hybrid dial so much, he ordered it that way. But there are a lot of different legends about the origin of California dials.
TECHNICAL DETAILS OF GEN PAM 448
Movement: Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 161?2 lignes, 5.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 160 components.
Functions: Hours, minutes.
Case: Diameter 47 mm, AISI 316L polished steel with removable wire loop strap attachments (patented). Screw-down winding crown personalised OP.
Bezel: Polished steel. Back: See-through sapphire crystal.
Dial: Black with luminous Arabic and Roman numerals and hour markers.
Crystal: Plexiglas®, 2.8 mm thick.
Water- resistance: 10 bar (~100 metres).
Strap: PANERAI personalised leather strap and large-size polished steel buckle.

There are old version of replicas PAM 448 very inaccurate and fitted with cheap low beat A6497. Very Low grade replicas.

July 2013 – Replicas of both watches PAM 448 and 449 were released. These reps are fitted with a decorated movement Asian 6497-2 like P.3000, the same used in first replicas of PAM 372. They are nice and well made watches but as replicas leave much to be desired.
-Both replicas have engraved OP 6832 between the lugs @6 instead of the word “VINTAGEâ€. Bear in mind that prototypes of PAM 448 and 449 which you can see in many websites have not engraved “VINTAGE†like the real watch on the market.
-Both replicas have engraved PAM 00379 between the lugs @12 instead PAM 00448 and PAM 00449. This flaw and above commented one are due to maker is using the PAM 00379 case but without Rose Gold coating.
-Both replicas have inaccurate caseback engravings indicating PLATINUM instead of SS. This is due to maker is using an existing caseback from PAM 373 Platinum.
-Both replicas are fitted with a simple domed sapphire crystal whereas gens have a Plexi domed (almost square shaped) like PAM 372.
-Both replicas have inaccurate case with square cushion corner edges
-PAM 448 rep sausage application is far from gen lume, is almost printed instead of typical Panerai sausage application
-California dial is very inaccurate with different makers and train ring
-Hands are different in colour, shape and length. Even there is a version with golden hands instead of blue ones.
-As already known decorated like P.3000 movement is completely different to gen, mainly in Balance wheel and its bridge.
To summarize very nice and well finished watches but Low grade replicas. Not advisable purchase.

June 2014- A rep PAM 448 from SF with Clone movement is released.
This replica is fitted with an improved P.3000 Clone2 movement, closer to the gen, with all inscriptions on bridges corrected in fonts and placement. Last version Clone1 released in December 2013 for the PAM 372 Clone, had completely wrong fonts and position of above mentioned inscriptions.
Therefore new P.3000 Clone2 is closer to gen due to those improved inscriptions.
The Clone has two barrels and about 7 days of Power Reserve. It is a clone movement not 100% replicated and most likely based in another existent movement. Balance Wheel position is the same as gen and overall accuracy is quite acceptable. Much more than current decorated movements.
To illustrate accuracy and improvements of Clone2 in relation to the gen and Clone1, see below pic

COMPARISON OF P.3000 CLONE1 – GEN - CLONE2 – Note the improvement of inscriptions from Clone1 to Clone2 in relation to the Gen

As seen in PAM 372 there are still many things to improve in this Clone2 movement but it seems another new step in the right direction:
- Jewels and screws are not all placed in the same positions
- Screws are rounded instead of flat
- Gear train are no visible like in gen
- Bridges have some differences of shape
- Canon pinion is much smaller
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=225965 by josh_w
- Balance Wheel double bridge has not completely accurate shape
- The brushing of two decoration main movement bridges have a bit different alignment in Clone2 (it is few noticeable and it is hit and miss, most likely will disappear in next batches)
IMO it is another good step, but it is a pity to spend a lot of money and time making a good approach to a gen movement and to ruin the result with SILLY flaws
*****Fantastic and definitive Review of the "Clone1" movement by Rolexman:******************************************************
http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/166048-movement-review-pam-372-p3000-super-clone/
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=168936&p=1704599#post-1704599
Following Rolexman information, this is a new movement no based in other existent movements, with real two barrels, manufacture made carefully with good materials and likely made with some differences to avoid legal problems regarding patents. Different smaller CP would be just a sloppiness. As always many time and money spend to get finally SILLY flaws. But read the review because there are many interesting things to show this is a real step to the clone movement not a simple decoration.
Above mentioned review of Clone1 is completely valid for Clone2 since only changes the inscriptions on bridges.
This replica unlike the previous 2013 version above mentioned, has corrected and very accurate case set, edges and corners are sharp and well defined, but they are a bit more squared , as usually, and not as smooth as gen ones, but by far much better than previous version. Mid-case has accurate engraving “VINTAGE†between the lugs @6 and PAM00448 between the lugs @12. Nice plexi crystal. Correct caseback with correct and nice engravings and display crystal. Crown is accurate but the engraved OP logo is a bit fatter and less deep.
California type dial is accurate in layout, colours and fonts, even the engraving of CALIFORNIA is nicely placed @12 in the rehaut. Lume structure is nicely made like gen, with small cavities filled by the lume material, which remains almost flush or a bit recessed (almost nothing) in relation to the dial surface, just like gen. The rep lume material is a bit more rough than gen which has a potato colour and texture, whereas rep is more grainy and uneven in texture, but with accurate colour. See rep lume structure in below pic:

LUME APPLICATION STRUCTURE IN REP PAM 448 CLONE2 OF JUNE 2014

Gen hands are more defined, better finished and sharper, but rep hands are accurate in colour and very well made, just the Cannon Pinion is smaller than gen (like in Clone1). Train ring around the dial are close to gen in colour and shape.
This is a replica made without sloppiness and trying to get a good result with the current possibilities of rep manufacture, but a PAM Manifattura movement is a hard challenge for rep makers.
I think this replica has got more level than rep PAM 372 Clone. It has better accuracy of dial and better movement accuracy. Unfortunately Clone movement even Clone2 has not the accuracy of a real clone movement. This is an evident flaw, with the display caseback, to get a Super rep status.
It is no easy to evaluate a rep like this. We know rep maker has made a great effort to get a very good rep. On the other hand an almost impossible to be copied Manifattura movement doesn’t allow the Super rep status. In this case we even are in front of a Clone movement, not a perfect clone but not simply a decorated movement, even with an impressive Power Reserve. We have actually a Super rep on quality but no Super rep in accuracy like we have in many current reps with decorated movements.
Due to the maker efforts, the quality of the manufacture, the accuracy and beauty of the dial (although the little flaws) and the nice attempt of this build, I was tempted to give an evaluation of First Class high level, but the lume texture and the smaller CP led me to give a smaller evaluation. Something between medium and high level. I would say First Class GOOD level.
More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=232694 by Puretime
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=185336 by panasol
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=232680 by panasol
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=185337 by silverclaw
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=232897 by vader 1
Complete and good review by silverclaw:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=186105 by silverclaw
Little reviews:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=185881 by vader 1
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=239349 by murselyfe
Interesting comments by projectologist
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=186105 by projectologist
More nice pics and interesting comments:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=235934 by projectologist

January 2015- ZFac releases a rep PAM 448 O-series fitted with a P.3000 Clone4 movement.
P.3000 Clone4 features a more accurate size of decoration “jewels†and better colour (although far from perfect). “Jewels†placement is now really improved in relation with the bridges, it is really close to the gen and close to the best possible achievable from the shape of clone movement bridges.
Below Figure shows the overall comparison of Clone3, Clone4 and gen. We can see the noticeable improvement regarding accuracy of “jewels†and overall placement.

CLONE3 – CLONE4 – GEN COMPARISON

The dial of this version is very similar to SF version (maybe markers are a bit better defines and sharp, but that is few noticeable). The case is a bit less accurate and with worse finish than SF version. We can say that both versions have pros and cons and we have two equivalent versions. I would prefer the case of SF but the movement of ZFac is clearly more accurate. For the same reasons of SF version this rep gets an evaluation of First Class rep good level.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=205287 by nicktan182
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=208652&p=2106272#post-2106272by Stealthy
Good review here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=98584 by Bash64

PAM 448
REPLICA links:
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam448-o-zf-11-best-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000-super-clone-v2/ ZFac with Clone4 movement
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam448-o-sf-california-dial-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000-super-clone/ SF Version with CLONE2 movement
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam448-ss-brown-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497/ 2013 Decorated movement
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam448-ss-brown-dial-on-brown-asso-lether-strap-a6497/ 2013 Decorated mvmnt. Wrong golden hands.
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16159-pa16159-pam448-o-zf-v2-califonia-dial-lt-p3000.html ZFac with Clone4 movement
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15549-pa15549-pam448-o-california-dial-ss-lt-1-1-p3000-3-days.html SF Version with CLONE2 movement
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13994-id13994.html A6497 No decorated. Worst version
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1346 ZFac with Clone4 movement
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+448&product_id=1072 SF Version with CLONE2 movement
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?P_id=3258&ti= SF Version with CLONE2 movement
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1823 ZFac with Clone4 movement
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1465 SF Version with CLONE2 movement
(*)http://www.trusty-wacth.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=12074 SF Version with CLONE2 movement
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/pn44801-days-ssle-black-p3000-p-15820.html SF Version with CLONE2 movement

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_317.html
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/dive-watches/sihh-2012-panerai-pam-448-and-pam-449-special-editions/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/638808/message/1327071711/Comparing+PAM+249+with+the+new+PAM+448+(SIHH+2012)
http://gearpatrol.com/2012/06/28/panerai-radiomir-california-3-days-pam448/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353390/thread/1364382499/last-1364382499/FS-+PAM+448
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353390/message/1384800559/FS-++PAM+448
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1327269094/***+SIHH+2012+paneristi-com+exclusive+-+Live+pictures+of+the+PAM448+California+Dial
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-nblog.post/fi-/ti-784588/t-officine-panerai-sihh-2012-panerai-pam448-pam449/
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2012/1/31/introducing-the-panerai-448-and-449-slc-two-special-edition.html
http://revo-online.com/forums/main/read.php?17,1005147,1005148
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2012/02/panerai-sihh-2012-photo-report.html
***

EVALUATIONS:
LOW GRADE REP (Unknown maker w/decorated A6497-2 similar to P.3000)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP of Good level (SF O-series w/P.3000 Clone2)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP of Good level (SF O-series w/P.3000 Clone3)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP of Good level (ZFac O-series w/P.3000 Clone4)
The successful way started by OP in 2011 with PAM 372 was continued in 2012 with the releases of two new vintage-inspired PAMs.
The two models PAM 448 and 449 are faithful versions of two famous Panerais of the 1930s, both fitted with movement P.3000 with 3 days or Power Reserve.
Both watches the California PAM 448 and SLC PAM 449 are Special Editions of 750 units, although initially they were introduced as 500 units editions.
Two almost identical watches, but differentiated just by dial PAM 448 has California dial and 449 has S.L.C. dial.
PAM 448 and 449 feature the familiar 47mm steel polished Radiomir case with wire lug strap attachments and, for these boutique editions, blue-edged double-pencil shape hands and a thick Plexiglas crystal. The cases have the word, “VINTAGE†engraved below the 6 o’clock strap loop, PAM 00448 and PAM00449 engraved below the 12 o’clock strap loop and the word “California†or “SLC†engraved on the rehaut above 12 o’clock.
PAM 449 is following the line of PAM 373 produced in 2011, but this last watch was made of Platinum, double-pencil hands are made of gold and dial is brown instead of black like PAM 449. Movement is the same for both watches: P.3000.
PAM 373 was inspired on the vintage 2533, a prototype of which very few were made in the late 1930's (probably between 1935 and 1937). There's a picture of one of these prototypes in the reference section on paneristi.com. The reference section however states that only one unit exists but other sources say that several - at least two - have been made. The Panerai press release also has this paragraph "In Officine Panerai's earlier days there was a rare, mysterious version of the Radiomir of which only two examples are known...". I've also been told that the 2533 is actually the very first Panerai prototype ever made but I can't confirm if that statement is true or false. You can find some very interesting further information about the history of the vintage models - including the 2533 - in the post the Rolex-Panerai connection on Rolexblog.blogspot.com.
As above commented PAM 449 features the well kown S.L.C. dial. It is a minimalist dial with the simplest of markings that was first created in the ‘30s to test out the radium luminescence.
TECHNICAL DETAILS OF GEN PAM 449
Movement: Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 161?2 lignes, 5.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 160 components.
Functions: Hours, minutes.
Case: Diameter 47 mm, AISI 316L polished steel with removable wire loop strap attachments (patented). Screw-down winding crown personalised OP.
Bezel: Polished steel. Back: See-through sapphire crystal.
Dial: Black Sandwich S.L.C. with luminous dot and stick hour markers.
Crystal: Plexiglas®, 2.8 mm thick.
Water- resistance: 10 bar (~100 metres).
Strap: PANERAI personalised leather strap and large-size polished steel buckle.


-Unknown maker w/decorated A6497-2 similar to P.3000
July 2013 – Replicas of both watches PAM 448 and 449 were released. These reps are fitted with a decorated movement Asian 6497-2 similar to P.3000, the same used in first replicas of PAM 372. They are nice and well made watches but as replicas leave much to be desired.
-Both replicas have engraved OP 6832 between the lugs @6 instead of the word “VINTAGEâ€. Bear in mind that prototypes of PAM 448 and 449 which you can see in many websites have not engraved “VINTAGE†like the real watch on the market.
-Both replicas have engraved PAM 00379 between the lugs @12 instead PAM 00448 and PAM 00449. This flaw and above commented one are due to maker is using the PAM 00379 case but without Rose Gold coating.
-Both replicas have inaccurate caseback engravings indicating PLATINUM instead of SS. This is due to maker is using an existing caseback from PAM 373 Platinum.
-Both replicas are fitted with a simple domed sapphire crystal whereas gens have a Plexi domed (almost square shaped) like PAM 372.
-Both replicas have inaccurate case with square cushion corner edges
-PAM 449 RADIOMIR PANERAI inscriptions on dial are sloppy painted instead of nicely and deeply engraved like gen.
-SLC dial is inaccurate with different makers @12 and inaccurate inscription fonts. Colour of inscriptions and lume are slightly wrong too.
-Hands are different in colour, shape and length.
-As already known decorated like P.3000 movement is completely different to gen, mainly in Balance wheel and its bridge.
To summarize very nice and well finished watches but Low grade replicas. Not advisable purchase.


-REPLICAS WITH P.3000 CLONE MOVEMENTS

-SF O-series w/P.3000 Clone2
July 2014- SF released a SF PAM 449 with P.3000 Clone movement to complete the release of last SF PAM 448. This replica is fitted with an improved P.3000 Clone2 movement, closer to the gen, with all inscriptions on bridges corrected in fonts and placement. Last version Clone1 released in December 2013 for the PAM 372 Clone, had completely wrong fonts and position of above mentioned inscriptions.
Therefore new P.3000 Clone2 is closer to gen due to those improved inscriptions.
The Clone has two barrels and about 7 days of Power Reserve. It is a clone movement not 100% replicated and most likely based in another existent movement. Balance Wheel position is the same as gen and overall accuracy is quite acceptable. Much more than current decorated movements.
To illustrate accuracy and improvements of Clone2 in relation to the gen and Clone1, see below pic

COMPARISON OF P.3000 CLONE1 – GEN - CLONE2 – Note the improvement of inscriptions from Clone1 to Clone2 in relation to the Gen

As seen in PAM 372 there are still many things to improve in this Clone2 movement but it seems another new step in the right direction:
- Jewels and screws are not all placed in the same positions
- Screws are rounded instead of flat
- Gear train are no visible like in gen
- Bridges have some differences of shape
- Canon pinion is much smaller
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=225965 by josh_w
- Balance Wheel double bridge has not completely accurate shape
- The brushing of two decoration main movement bridges have a bit different alignment in Clone2 (it is few noticeable and it is hit and miss, most likely will disappear in next batches)
IMO it is another good step, but it is a pity to spend a lot of money and time making a good approach to a gen movement and to ruin the result with SILLY flaws
*****Fantastic and definitive Review of the "Clone1" movement by Rolexman:******************************************************
http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/166048-movement-review-pam-372-p3000-super-clone/
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=168936&p=1704599#post-1704599
Following Rolexman information, this is a new movement no based in other existent movements, with real two barrels, manufacture made carefully with good materials and likely made with some differences to avoid legal problems regarding patents. Different smaller CP would be just a sloppiness. As always many time and money spend to get finally SILLY flaws. But read the review because there are many interesting things to show this is a real step to the clone movement not a simple decoration.
Above mentioned review of Clone1 is completely valid for Clone2 since only changes the inscriptions on bridges.
This replica unlike the previous 2013 version above mentioned, has corrected and very accurate case set nicely finished
We will follow to evaluate this rep two existing reviews:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=191076 by firesuite (with comments by ALE)
Complete S.L.C. dial review
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=191232&p=1926489#post-1926489 by ALE
Case, Caseback, Crown: Really awesome finish and quality
Cushion corners PAM 449 in dealers catalogues seem to be a bit more squared than PAM 448 ones. Aftyer seeing pics of firesuite review and form other owners, I think we can assure that PAM 449 pics on catalogues are slightly wrong. It is a false alarm IMO because the corners of PAM 449 in the market are the same as PAM 448 and really good.
Crown and crown logo are accurate
Caseback nicely engraved very gen-like
VINTAGE and PAM000449 engravings between the lugs have accurate enough fonts, very deeply engraved, maybe a bit exaggerated (in some units) and even deeper than gen. Some times fonts in rep are a bit thicker and external contours are overpolished making overall engraving much less clear than gen. I have seen some reps with more accurate and nice engravings between lugs, therefore this is a hit and miss matter. Anyway really good for a rep and very similar to PAM 372 engravings
Dial Layout- Rep inscriptions and markers (either sticks or dots) are well placed and overall layout is accurate.
Sandwich Cutouts (Stick and dots): All rep markers, either sticks or dots, are well defined and very sharp. Contours of the cutouts are very clean and nicely made, just like gen ones. It is possible that rep cutouts are a bit thicker, maybe due to different lighting conditions but anyway few noticeable.
The thickness of the upper layer of the rep sandwich is the same as gen and you cannot see differences on quality. Rep dial is an awesome build in this regard.
RADIOMIR PANERAI engravings on dial: In the same way as PAM 372, this engraved inscription is an interesting feature of this watch.Gen RADIOMIR PANERAI engraved inscription is really nice, with awesome finish, completely uniform, sharp, crisp and very deep with a strong 3D effect. Yellowish paint is also applied completely uniform. Rep RADIOMIR PANERAI engraved inscription is not at all bad, indeed it seems better than the best of PAM 372, but is not as sharp, crisp, deep and uniform as Gen engravings. You cannot doubt that gen inscriptions are engraved under any light condition an effect of 3D is strong and always present. Rep inscription engravings could disappear under some light conditions.
Gen engravings are “U†shaped and perfect, whereas rep engravings seem more “V†shaped and unequal, making that the inner part of the engravings is very uniform and really marked in gen, whereas in rep there are some differences and is not so marked. Besides, rep paint application is not uniform like in gen, and some lacks of paint can appear in the inner part of the engravings, where you can see some black points with missing paint.
Regarding fonts accuracy there are more differences. Rep fonts are a little bit wider but they are also smaller. Fonts shape presents also some differences. Very noticeable in “R†(shorter tail but longer inner upper part). The same occurs with the inner part of “P†which is clearly longer in rep. It is also noticeable in “Aâ€, because horizontal bar of this character is placed very low in rep, leaving a much bigger inner triangle in the rep. “A†has also a different tip: sharp in gen and blunt in rep. There are also differences in “Eâ€, “M†and even “O†but much less noticeable. Those font differences are few noticeable in practice, but they actually exist and can be used to tell the reps or for identification purposes.
Lume and RADIOMIR PANERAI engravings colour:Markers lume is ECRU like gen, whereas RADIOMIR PANERAI engraving is clearly yellowish like gen. Maybe the contrast is more obvious in rep where both colours are more evident. But this subject is difficult to say without a side by side comparison. Anyway overall very accurate colours very similar to the gen.
Dial Surface colour: Surface dial is black like gen, but the gen has a texture which is less marked in rep. This is few noticeable without enlarged pics or under nuked eye.
L SWISS L inscription @6: This is maybe the most noticeable flaw of this rep dial. It can be realized even without direct pic comparison. Rep inscription is white whereas gen inscription is not so light and remains much less evident in the overall view of the PAM 449 dial. Gen is always clearly less light, way more discreet and less obvious.
Hands and Cannon Pinion: Hands shape is good enough, with less sharp edges (as usually) and a bit thicker lume (as usually). It is very difficult to talk about the blue colour, because depending on light conditions varies from light Blue to black. But following comments from owners of reps PAM 448 the colour is accurate.
CP has a flaw, because rep CP is smaller than gen. But in some light conditions, and following projectologist comments, the differences are not so noticeable and this flaw doesn't seem as serious as we thought. Indeed I have seen some rep CP pics that seemed like gen.
Rehaut S.L.C.engraving: S.L.C. engraving in rehaut is nice, well placed and accurate, a bit less deep and crisp in rep.
Movement Clone2: Rep pics of firesuite review clearly show an awesome P.3000 Clone2. Very well finished with nicely polished edges on bridges and with impressive engravings very sharp and clean, really good. Big improvement from Clone1 in this regard.
CONCLUSIONS: Overall PAM 449 rep from July 2014 seems better than expected and we should be glad to see the quality of these last reps of PAM 448 and 449. Overall finish and gen-like appearance are also awesome, layout, colours are very accurate and mainly sandwich cutouts quality is impressive and very gen-like.
It is no easy to evaluate a rep like this. We know rep maker has made a great effort to get a very good rep. On the other hand an almost impossible to be copied Manifattura movement doesn’t allow the Super rep status. In this case we even are in front of a Clone movement, not a perfect clone but not simply a decorated movement, even with an impressive Power Reserve. We have actually a Super rep on quality but no Super rep in accuracy like we have in many current reps with decorated movements.
I think this replica has got more level than rep PAM 372 Clone. It has better accuracy of dial and better movement accuracy. Unfortunately Clone movement even Clone2 has not the accuracy of a real clone movement. This is an evident flaw, with the display caseback, to get a Super rep status.
Due to LSWISS L colour issue, smaller CP and inaccuracies in RADIOMIR PANERAI engravings on dial. This Rep of PAM 449 gets an evaluation of First Class rep of Good level just a bit slightly smaller than PAM 448. But the quality, finish and gen-like appearance are like a Super rep, the same as PAM 448.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=189057&p=1905078#post-1905078 by vader1
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=190180 by nicktan182


-SF O-series w/P.3000 Clone3
January 2015- Above commented rep is fitted with a P.3000 Clone3. This improved P.3000 Clone3 movement, closer to the gen, with all inscriptions on bridges corrected in fonts and placement, and with added “jewels†decoration on CAL.P.3000 bridge. Last version Clone2 previously released, had nonexisting “jewels†decoration. New P.3000 Clone3 is closer to gen due to this improved decoration but unfortunately added “jewels†are bigger than gen and the colour is clearly lighter. Besides “jewels†placement is wrong in relation to the gen. Maybe you cannot get this Clone3 version form all dealers.
To illustrate accuracy and improvements of Clone3 in relation to the gen and Clone2, see below pic

COMPARISON OF P.3000 CLONE2 – CLONE3 – GEN - Note the added decoration “jewels†bigger and lighter than gen jewels

The rest of the movement remains the same and all comments above done about the Clone1 are valid for Clone2 and Clone3, leaving aside, obviously, the modifications.
Since the new movement has still flaws and the movement remains clearly inaccurate we cannot change the overall evaluation. We can consider this rep a bit better than previous version Clone2, but it continues being a First Class rep good level IMO.


-ZFac O-series w/P.3000 Clone4
June 2015- ZFac releases a rep PAM 449 O-series fitted with a P.3000 Clone4 movement.
P.3000 Clone4 features a more accurate size of decoration “jewels†and better colour (although far from perfect). “Jewels†placement is now really improved in relation with the bridges, it is really close to the gen and close to the best possible achievable from the shape of clone movement bridges.
Below Figure shows the overall comparison of Clone3, Clone4 and gen. We can see the noticeable improvement regarding accuracy of “jewels†and overall placement.

CLONE3 – CLONE4 – GEN COMPARISON

The dial of this version has bolder engravings than SF but more accurate, layout is very good at the same level as SF, L SWISS L inscription @6 is more accurate and with better colour than SF version, few other differences can be noticed from SF dial version. The case is a bit less accurate and with worse finish and engraving between lugs than SF version. We can say that both versions have pros and cons and we have two equivalent versions. I would prefer the case of SF but the dial and mainly movement of ZFac is clearly more accurate. For the same reasons of SF version it gets an evaluation of First Class rep good level.

PAM 449
REPLICA links:
-Unknown maker w/decorated A6497-2 similar to P.3000
http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam449-ss-brown-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497/ Decorated mvmnt.

-REPLICAS WITH P.3000 CLONE MOVEMENTS
-SF O-series w/P.3000 Clone2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam449-o-sf-batton-dial-on-thick-deep-brown-leather-strap-p3000-super-clone/ SF Clone2 movement
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1151 SF Clone2 movement
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1494 SF Clone2 movement

-SF O-series w/P.3000 Clone3
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16084-pa16084-pam449-o-radiomir-black-ss-lt-p3000-super-copy.html SF Clone3 movement

-ZFac O-series w/P.3000 Clone4
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam449-o-zf-11-best-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000-super-clone-v2/
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1605
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2127-pam449-o-zf-1-1-best-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000-super-clone-v2.html

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_318.html
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/dive-watches/sihh-2012-panerai-pam-448-and-pam-449-special-editions/
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-nblog.post/fi-/ti-784588/t-officine-panerai-sihh-2012-panerai-pam448-pam449/
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2012/1/31/introducing-the-panerai-448-and-449-slc-two-special-edition.html
http://revo-online.com/forums/main/read.php?17,1005147,1005148
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2012/02/panerai-sihh-2012-photo-report.html
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?act=Post&CODE=02&f=273238&t=62783083&st=15&p=510545117
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1327179729/***+SIHH+2012+paneristi-com+exclusive+-+Live+pictures+of+the+PAM449
8-5*

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (O-series) (with some restrictions due to inaccurate movement, see comments)
The PAM 498 “FU†Second Edition Luminor Marina is a watch introduced at the end 2011 O-series. It is a Limited Edition of 1000 watches, with a 44mm 1950 case fitted with P.9000 “Manifattura†movement, features a sandwich dial with seconds@9 sub-dial, markers with patina lume, date without Cyclops and display sapphire caseback. Of course it has a “FU†Chinese sign of “Good fortune†@6.
PAM 498 is the “FU†Second Edition, because the First was the 2010 year PAM 366 “FU†in Luminor standard case and without date. I was also told this piece like Pam 366, is for the Greater China market..
This watch has all polished 1950's style case like PAM 359 and PAM 372. All other watches with this type of 1950 case are brushed, usually in combination with a polished steel bezel. Examples are the PAM 233, 270, 127, 312, 320 and so on. The crown guard with its Reg.TM.engraving however is brushed.

There are replicas of this watch from September 2012, these replicas are based in the replica PAM 359 and are made by the same maker of the PAM312/320/328/329/351
Anyway, since the gen is Powered by the new Panerai P.9000 “Manifattura†movement, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback, please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
Therefore, we should expect a similar quality and we can say it would be a First Class rep low level
Rep info:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=185963
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=118266

PAM 498
REPLICA links:
(*) http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam498n-fu-edition-on-black-leather-strap-a7750/

GEN links:
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-5392263/ti-802848/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/638808/thread/1343045767/Pam+498+goes+public
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EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Good level (ZFac w/ decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2 and Improved ZP9000-V2.5)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Good level (KW-V6Fac w/ decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP High level (KW-V6Fac w/decorated NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2)
The gen PAM 499 was released in 2014 Q-series. It is a Luminor Marina 44mm, therefore with second subdial @9 and date window @3, powered by a Panerai Manifattura P.9000 with 3days of power reserve. The self-winding P.9000 movement can be seen through the sapphire crystal caseback. The most characteristic feature is a white dial in the style of a PAM 113 with a polished caseset the same as a PAM 359 or PAM 531. Even though dial has 10 numbers and a date function, it still looks clean, modern and maintains the integrity of Panerai DNA. This PAM 499 was introduced together with the PAM 523, a more streamlined version of 42mm.
Both the PAM 499 and PAM 523 feature a polished steel case and beautiful leather strap, in black and brown, respectively, with white stitching matching dial and hands. They are available a great variety of springtime colors – from kelly green to sea blue – allowing you to change the look and feel of your new timepiece with the seasons. These watches are a new and good alternative for white dials fans
GEN PAM 499 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Automatic mechanical, Panerai P.9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 197 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds, date.
CASE- Diameter 44 mm, AISI 316L polished steel.
BEZEL- Polished steel.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (protected as a trademark) Brushed steel.
DIAL- White with Arabic numerals and luminous dot markers. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, made of corundum, 2.6 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~ 300 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal brushed steel buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap, a tool for changing the strap and a steel screwdriver.


-ZFac w/ decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2
September 2014- Zfac released a PAM 499 Q-series. This version presents a new feature because it is fitted with a new decorated movement called ZP9000-V2, still based in A7750 (therefore with balance wheel still @11 instead of @7) but with non inverted layout due to a technical trick. Maker has reduced the Balance cock to a simple bar making it almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout similar to the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. Regarding inscriptions accuracy of position it is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before but with correct orientation, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version. Due to the characteristics of A7750 the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole†is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement almost as inaccurate as previous versions.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel

GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9000-V2
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone seems very different. Those differences are the same in previous inverted versions but you cannot expect much improvement from the new decorated movement ZP9000-V2, leaving aside the correct layout and the correct orientation of the inscriptions.
We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous versions either from ZFac or KW. Then, at least, this is a nice improvement.
We would need to know in the future if the weakening of the real balance cock, being reduced to a bar, will affect the correct working of the movement, since this bridge is the main support of the balance wheel. So, this matter remains pending future evaluations.
Regarding the rest of the match we have the comments as follows:
DIAL- layout is good enough with some displacement of markers. 10-11-12 are a bit displaced to the right side and 6-7-8 are displaced a bit to the left side. It is no noticeable.
Glossy black markers are nicely made and also accurate enough. Little numerals are a bit thinner than gen. Markers are nice but not as glossy and raised like gen ones. Some fonts are a bit inaccurate like 8 and 5. 6 marker is rounder in rep
Lume dots seem even better than in Noob PAM 113. Yes, gen is more semi-spherical but rep are good enough. Few noticeable under the crystal. Gen contours are thicker and more evident and defined. But overall dial appearance is accurate.
Little stick minute markers above L SWISS MADE L are longer
Glossy and raised dial markers are very nicely made
Dial inscriptions have accurate fonts and size but, like the markers, seem less raised and less glossy than gen.
Date fonts are bigger, thicker and less glossy than gen
Overall colour of markers, inscriptions, lume and dial surface are very gen-like
CP is a little bigger in rep but few noticeable and it is well finished (maybe because it is a cup covering the real CP.
Big hands are very accurate and well finished. But seconds hand on subdial @9 is clearly shorter in rep.
CRYSTAL- Nothing to be concerned. At the same level of the usual quality reps
CASE-BEZEL- Caseset is accurate and very well finished. Polishing and finish of the caseset are awesome, almost the same as the best KW manufactures (see KW PAM 359 and 531). Please see in Puretime video, the lugs and lug contours and the case between the inner part of the lugs, really well made. Under a carefully inspection, it doesn’t achieve the level of a KW PAM 359 or 531 case, but it is close to those models. Maybe the cushion shape is not as accurate as KW case and the edges are less sharp due to a little overpolishing. Anyway a nice manufacture and an awesome case to be enjoyed
CG & Crown– After a carefully comparison the inner hollow of the GG is quite accurate and it is almost the same as gen. Chamfered corners seems good in the pics. REG. T.M. engravings are nice. Lever tip seems a bit detached from the case (few noticeable). Overall nice CG and accurate
The same with the crown. No differences to get worried
CASEBACK- is well manufactured with accurate fonts and good engravings, a bit displaced from the gen positions but few noticeable in practice.
To summarize if the non-inverted movement works correctly we can give an evaluation of First Class rep good level. I think the bigger CP, shorter second hand and not perfect lume dots are flaws on dial to not get First Class high level.
Anyway a very good alternative for white dial fans different from the conventional Luminor Bettarini cases. Besides, for bigger watches fans, this watch, although it has the same diameter, wears more than a 44mm Luminor Bettarini, due to the thickness and 1950 case shape.
From March 2015 it was introduced for this rep an improvement about movement using the decorated A7750 NON-inverted improving balance wheel “hole†shape. This improvement was not officially annonunced for dealers, and due to that there are no links specifically for this rep. Therefore if we are buying a PAM 499 rep we could receive either V2 or V2.5 movement, depending of the production date.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=195766 by mysterio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=238470 by mysterio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=234554 by mysterio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=242805 by Rogers


-ZFac w/ decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
March 2015- ZFac released a rep of PAM499 Q-series, the same rep as above commented but fitted with a new ZP9000-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole†almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9000-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9000 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.
As above commented the rest of the watch remains the same, but now the movement is more accurate and has non-reduced real balance cock. I think the bigger CP, shorter second hand and not perfect lume dots are flaws on dial to not get First Class high level. We can consider it a better rep than previsous version but again a First Class rep Good level
Since this improvement of movement was not officially annonunced for dealers, in the date of the release there are few links specifically for this rep. Therefore if we are buying a PAM 499 rep we could receive either V2 or V2.5 movement, depending of the production date. Be careful with QCpics.
Some comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/214922-I-can-t-believe-this-one-doesn-t-get-more-notice-on-the-forums by projectologist


-KW-V6Fac w/ decorated A7750 Inverted
January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 499 Q-series. This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has “real†jewels instead of “painted†jewels like first batches of ZFac movements, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole†is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

The rest of the watch is overall better than ZFac version, the dial is almost the same regarding quality, raised and glossy markers, big hands and lume dot markers, but the layout is almost perfect without flaws and markers are more accurate than in ZFac version. CP is nice but the size is more accurate too, little seconds hand on subdial has correct length (otherwise ZFac version). Overall finish is a bit better, more gen-like, and more consistent (remenber the nice caseset of KW PAM 359). CG is nicely finished as usually with this maker.
Althoug the overall quality and accuracy is better, we need to admit that inverted movement is less accurate than ZFac V2 and mainly V2,5, therefore we can conpensate the accuracy of the dial caseset with the inverted movement and we can give this rep an evaluation of First Class rep of Good level (the same as ZFac versions)


-KW-V6Fac w/decorated NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
May 2015- KW-V6Fac released a new rep PAM 499 Q-series based in the same dial and caseset of previously commented, but now with a NON-inverted movement like ZFac versions. This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole†very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
The rest of the watch since is the same that previsous KW version gets better evaluation than ZFac, but this time with a more accurate and releiable movement, which is even cheaper.
We can evaluate this rep as First Class rep High lvel and the best option available in May 2015.

As previsouly commented, this watch is a very good option for white dial fans different from the conventional Luminor Bettarini cases. Besides, for bigger watches fans, this watch, although it has the same diameter, wears more than a 44mm Luminor Bettarini, due to the thickness and 1950 case shape.

PAM 499
REPLICA links:
-ZFac w/ decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2 or Improved ZP9000-V2.5
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam499-q-zf-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-zp9000/
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15826-pa15826-pam499-q-zf-white-dial-ss-lt-p9000.html
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1199
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1705
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1572
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2259-pam499-q-zf-best-edition-on-white-leather-strap-zp9000.html
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13844
-KW-V6Fac w/ decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/panerai/panerai-pam499-best-edition.p.900-movement-from-kw/
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam499-q-v6f-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9000/
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16306-pa16306-pam499-q-luminor-1950-v6f-black-dial-ss-lt-p9000.html
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13028

-KW-V6Fac w/decorated NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3419
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2017-pam499-q-v6f-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p9000.html

GEN links:
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor-1950/651-luminor-1950-3-days-automatic
http://news.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-112/pi-6335693/ti-919998/t-news-central-celebrate-the-first-day-of-spring-with-white-dials-from-officine-panerai-pam523-and-pam499/
http://amitdevhanda.com/blog/2014/5/1/taking-a-minute-with-the-new-panerai-pam00499
5-8*

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (KW O-series decorated mvmnt. SS+DLC) (some restrictions due to inaccurate mvmnt.) Best option in Nov 2015, if you can live with inaccurate movement and very inaccurate weight.
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (ZFac O-series decorated mvmnt. Ti+DLC) (some restrictions due to inaccurate mvmnt.)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (SF O-series Ti+DLC w/ P.3000 Clone4) Best option in Nov 2015 if you can live with inaccurate hands
Gen PAM 504 is a Radiomir 47mm watch made of Panerai special Composite material. It is the result of an electrochemical process of ceramization of the aluminium, this material is harder than the ceramics normally used for cases in watch-making (zirconia), and also harder than metals like steel and titanium, as well as being lighter. Thanks to its qualities of ductility and reliability, the Panerai composite allows for complex and extremely precise workings and is the result of processes that, up to now, were employed in the creation of components for the aeronautic industry and for car and motorcycle races requiring the highest levels of performance.
PAM 540 was introduced in 2012 O-series at the same time of PAM 505, has golden hands, 12-3-6-9 and stick markers with vintage lume and brown dial. Features a little second suddial @9 and is fitted with panerai Manifattura manual movement P.3000, showed through a display caseback with darkened sapphire crystal.


August 2013- The First good replica of this watch is PAM 504 O-series released by Kuvarsit Watches (KW). It is made of SS DLC dark Brown coated, instead of Composite, with an awesome finish, achieved by a beadblasted treatment before coating.
Care of details and overall finish are at the same level of current replicas made by KW. In this way the replica gets that gen-like feel already famous in last replicas from this maker. Leaving aside the weight you could not realize the difference. Case shape seems very accurate and the edges of the cushion shape are sharp and well defined. Crown shape and crown inscription are very good too.
It is fitted with a A6497 movement, decorated with bridges like a P.9000.
The movement has inverted layout in comparison to the gen, and the balance cock (the bridge holding the balance wheel) is also in inverted position. This movement is curiously and seemingly the same movement we can find in Puretime (PT) P.3000-like decorations, it has also blue screws and the bridges fitment is worse than Cartel decorations. You can see the pic below in center position in comparison to the gen and Cartel version.These flaws are hidden by a nice darkened caseback crystal.

REPLICA DECORATED MOVEMENT LIKE P.3000- BASE A6497
KW PAM 504 HAS H maker CARTEL TYPE DECORATION
Case shape and edges are accurate. I like more the edges and corners of ZFac and SF, but this is few noticeable and KW is really good.
Obviously the material is really wrong since gen is made of Composite and rep is SS DLC coated. The appearance and touch is really good but the gen has much less weight. In this regard ZFac and SF made of Titanium have advantage. Anyway good approach with fantastic finish
Crown OP logo is good enough, deep engraving, but more squared than gen.
Overal dial layout is OK and sandwich cutouts are deep and clean.
9 and 6 markers are more accurate than ZFac and SF, but 3 marker is narrower
CP is very recessed and not nicely finished or polished. The size is good enough
Hands are correct. The lume is a bit wider in minute hand.
Hand lume, markers lume and colour of dial inscriptions are accurate, uniform and very gen-like. Clearly better than ZFac and SF
Crystal is OK with AR colourless
Caseback and back crystal accurate and good enough.
Movement is the decorated A6497-2 like P.3000, already known and very inaccurate.
Since this replica is made of DLC SS instead of ComposIte the weight is much higher than gen, and the movement, although the decoration, is not a real clone, we cannot consider it a Super rep, following our current criteria. Of course it is a First Class good level and an impressive and beautiful watch. Very advisable purchase, the price is not very high either. Good option if you can live with inaccurate movement and wrong weight.
More info here:
Nice pictorial where you can see corners of cushion shape accuracy
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=191292&p=1927843#post-1927843 by sanankind
Pictorial and nice review:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=174085 by kilowattore
Interesting pics here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=71525 by DejaWho
More info:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=64847 by Rockrover
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=167195by mvyzfr1


November 2013- ZFac releases a PAM 504 O-series with decorated movement, darkened caseback crystal and made of Titanium DLC coated to get a weight similar to gen. The decorated movement is Puretime type as above described. Maybe the finish and quality has not the consistency of a KW but are very similar. Besides this ZFac replica has a plus regarding weight being made of Titanium. Therefore very equivalent evaluation to KW version SS DLC.
Case shape and edges are accurate, really nice. In the same level of SF
Obviously the material is wrong since gen is made of Composite and rep is Titanium DLC coated. The appearance and touch is good enough but the gen has less weight.
Anyway good approach and more accurate weight than KW.
Crown OP logo is really nice, accurate sharp and deep engraving. Better than SF and even KW
Overal dial layout is OK and sandwich cutouts are deep and clean.
9 marker is more rounded in gen and the inner curved stroke is longer in gen. 6 marker is OK
CP is the weird ZFac type bigger and with the raised rim contour. Anyway nicely finished.
Hands are correct. The lume is a bit wider in minute hand.
Hand lume and colour of dial inscriptions are OK. Dial inscriptions colour is more ecru or brownish. Gen lume and inscriptions colours are the same, a bit whiter, just like rep markers.
Crystal is OK with AR colourless
Caseback and back crystal accurate and good enough.
Movement is the decorated A6497-2 like P.3000, already known and very inaccurate.
Since this replica is made of DLC Titanium instead of ComposIte the weight is higher than gen, and the movement, although the decoration, is not a real clone, we cannot consider it a Super rep, following our current criteria. Of course it is a First Class good level.
Some info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=167244 by richk98


October 2105- SF releases a PAM 504 O-series fitted with P.3000 Clone4. Made of Titanium DLC coated to get a weight similar to gen. The P.3000 Clone4 movement is a clear advantage of this rep to get better evaluation, but unfortunately there are some important flaws to be considered.
Case shape and edges are accurate, really nice. In the same level of ZFac
Obviously the material is wrong since gen is made of Composite and rep is Titanium DLC coated. The appearance and touch is good enough but the gen has less weight. Anyway good approach and more accurate weight than KW.
Crown OP logo is smaller and with very shallow engraving. Completely inaccurate. Worse than KW and ZFac
Overal dial layout is OK and sandwich cutouts are deep and clean.
9 and 6 markers are more rounded in gen and the inner curved stroke is longer in gen
CP is smaller but flat flush and well finished, it is good enough
Hour hand is shorter and the lume is narrower than gen
Minute hand is longer and lume is wider than gen
Hand lume and colour of dial inscriptions are a bit more ecru than markers lume. Gen lume and inscriptions colours are the same, a bit whiter, just like rep markers
Crystal is OK with AR colourless
Caseback and back crystal accurate and good enough.
Movement is the already known Clone4 (not at all a super clone)
Although the Clone4 movement means a clear advantage of this rep in relation to previous versions, the inaccurate colours and mainly inaccurate hands downgrade the overall evaluation. For me a First Class good level rep just a bit over the ZFac if you can live with the inaccurate hands.

PAM 504
REPLICA links:
-KW O-series SS+DLC coating w/ decorated A6497-2 like P.3000
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32164
(*)http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=58797
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1643
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1257
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=11106
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn504o01-504o-composite-dlcle-brown-p3000-p-14716.html

-ZFac O-series Titanium+DLC coating w/ decorated A6497-2 like P.3000
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam504-o-radiomir-composite-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000/
(*)http://www.ts-station.co/14691-pa14691-pam504-o-z-factory-1-1-best-ti-dlc-lt-p3000.html (*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+504&product_id=922
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1352 ZFac decorated Ti-DLC

-SF O-series Titanium+DLC coating w/ P.3000 Clone4
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam504-o-radiomir-composite-sf-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000-super-clone/

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_340.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/watch-collection/historic-collection/radiomir/382-radiomir-composite-3-days-pam00504
11-5

EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW V1 O-series SS+DLC w/decorated Seagull Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW V2 O-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac O-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW V2-Seagull O-series SS+DLC w/decorated Seagull Inverted)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW V3 O-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2)
(*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (KW-V6Fac V3-Seagull O-series SS+DLC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2) the best option from January 2015
The PAM 505 is a Radiomir version of PAM 386 Composite. There is another Radiomir version but in SS polished and Black dial with regular lume called PAM 388.
The gen PAM 505, the same as PAM 339, 375 and 386, is made of a especial material Panerai COMPOSITE. It is the result of an electrochemical process of ceramization of the aluminium, this material is harder than the ceramics normally used for cases in watch-making (zirconia), and also harder than metals like steel and titanium, as well as being lighter. Thanks to its qualities of ductility and reliability, the Panerai composite allows for complex and extremely precise workings and is the result of processes that, up to now, were employed in the creation of components for the aeronautic industry and for car and motorcycle races requiring the highest levels of performance.This watch Radiomir Black Seal was introduced as regular production in year 2012 O-series.It features second @9 subdial, date window @3 without Cyclops, and 6-9-12 markers combined with sticks. Lume has a nice vintage patina. Overall colour is dark brown. This watch is fitted with the PANEARI Manifattura movement P.9000, with a power reserve of 72 hours achieved by means of two spring barrels powered by an oscillating weight that winds in both directions. With a diameter of 13¾ lignes and a balance that oscillates at a frequency of 4 Hz, the P.9000 calibre is also fitted with a stop-seconds device enabling the time to be synchronized with a reference time signal.
The name Black Seal, printed on the dial, is a proprietary name of Officine Panerai which evokes fascinating memories of the history of the brand: Black Seal was one of the names used to describe the slow-speed torpedoes PIG, the midget submarines on which the commandos of the Italian Navy carried out their heroic underwater enterprises during the Second World War, with Panerai watches and instruments on their wrists.


-KW V1 O-series SS+DLC w/decorated Seagull Inverted
July 2013- The First good replica of this watch PAM 505 (O-series) was released by Kuvarsit Watches (KW). It is made of SS DLC dark Brown coated with an awesome finish, achieved by a beadblasted treatment before coating.Care of details and overall finish are at the same level of current replicas made by KW. In this way the replica gets that gen-like feel already famous in last replicas from this maker. Leaving aside the weight you could not realize the difference. Case shape seems very accurate and the edges of the cushion shape are sharp and well defined. Crown shape and crown inscription are very good too.
This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. This movement has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. ’The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole†is bigger than in ZFac and KW inverted movements and gen, but the shape is still inaccurate. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW Seagull movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac and KW A7750 based. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

The dial is finished all matt like gen, dial surface is microblasted before coating and gets a matt surface which “absorbs†light. It is the same with inscriptions RADIOMIR-BLACK SEAL-PANERAI that are without shine like gen. Following indications of maker the dial is very close to crystal, the same as gen, giving to this watch a very good appearance.
Markers and hands have superlume matched with gen vintage colour. Markers are accurate but hands have wider lume than gen and this is noticeable.
Date window is accurate in position and size but Date fonts are a bit smaller than gen ones.
CP is well placed and nicely polished, really good
Overall the dial layout is almost perfect.
Front crystal has high quality colourless AR coating like gen.
Caseback is very well finished, like the case, and the engravings are deep, crisp and accurate. Caseback crystal is nicely brown darkened.
Asso strap very good quality of material and stitching (colour matching gen sample following indications of KW) with a buckle with deep and clean engravings following the shape of composite versions (different to SS models). KW says this watch is tested waterproof 20m.
This KW version V1 had issues with the screws to fix the Radiomir lug bars. KW fized these problems in below commented version KW V2.
This is one of the nicest replicas I have seen, with an awesome finish and appearance very gen-like. Since this replica is made of DLC SS instead of Composite the weight is much higher than gen, and the movement, although the decoration, is not a real clone, we cannot consider it a Super rep, following our current criteria. Of course it is a very good First Class high level rep and an impressive and beautiful watch. Very advisable purchase, the price is not very high either.
See more info and links for KW V1 in below rep KW V2. Overall structure and quality is the same only changes movement and lug bars fixations (KW V2 has fixed this issue)


-KW V2 O-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted
October 2013- KW releases a version KW V2 of this replica, fixing the lug fixation issues
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=61029
This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has “real†jewels instead of “painted†jewels like first batches of ZFac movements, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole†is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

IMO this movement change is not an improvement, since Seagull is even better than A7750, and more accurate (balance wheel @7) than A7750 (balance wheel @11).
Therefore we can say is an “updating†but not an improvement.
As above commented KW PAM 388 V1 had some problems regarding lug screws and KW needed to improve this matter. Due to above mentioned reason KW releases this new version V2, with lug screws issues fixed, but with decorated movement A7750 based.
This is one of the nicest replicas I have seen, with an awesome finish and appearance very gen-like. Since this replica is made of DLC SS instead of Composte the weight is much higher than gen, and the movement, although the decoration, is not a real clone, we cannot consider it a Super rep, following our current criteria. Of course it is a very good First Class high level rep and an impressive and beautiful watch. Very advisable purchase, the price is not very high either.
Many above data are extracted from the review made by PolonusTM here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-kw-pam-153738?p=1533732 by PolonusTM - with very good info about Panerai Composite
Review and interesting macro pics:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam505-o-series-155324?p=1552658 by Jeremy
Mini review by ALE:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=158347 by ALE
More info about this watch:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=57300&st=0
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=152352
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1517077&postcount=22
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210747
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/kw-505-review-153522?p=1530702
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=58674


-ZFac O-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted
December 2013- TSwatches released in cooperation with ZFac a PAM 505 O-series made of Titanium DLC coated, to get a weight closer to gen. Fitted with decorated A7750 Inverted layout movement ZFac type with painted false jewels. Crystal caseback is darkened like gen. This replica is the first Titanium DLC coated of this model. This is an advantage if the rest of features are as good as other competitors.
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=67275
The movement is a decorated like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has old ZFac “painted†jewels (maybe lst batches have already “real jewels†decoration) and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is inaccurate and seems weird. The balance wheel “hole†is much smaller than gen and looks inaccurate. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
CAL P.9000 inscription has inaccurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
Bellow is showed ZFac decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

This rep has a finish at the same level of KW version and is fitted with a nice and good quality strap. Mid-case is very accurate even more than KW. Another good replica of this watch.
Regarding evaluation, it is no possible Super Rep status due to inaccurate material and display caseback with inaccurate movement. But we can consider it a First Class high level rep.


COMPARISON OF KW AND ZFac VERSIONS
Which is the best version between KW and ZFac? As many times it happens, there is no an absolute reply to this question and you should make your own judgement knowing the pros and cons of each rep.
In order to know all data to take a decision there is a full definitive review by ALE
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=179812
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=229024
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=76006
You have a comparison thread of both reps with the Gen 505, from the point of view of TimesShopNet -TSWatches here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=182437&p=1842865#post-1842865 by TimesShopNet
You have a comparison thread of both reps with the Gen 505, from the point of view of KW here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183127&p=1854884#post-1854884 by KW
To summarize, as a guide, below I will show the main reasons for preferring or no preferring both versions:
Regarding finish and gen-like appearance, dial layout, markers accuracy, hands, lume… they are almost the same.
Main reasons for preferring ZFac version:
-Better Mid-case shape accuracy
-Weight of case-set closer to gen
-More accurate Date wheel fonts and placement of numbers
-Better crown OP Logo
-Better Strap
Main reasons for NOT preferring ZFac version
-Whitish halo in crystal contour with marker reflections
-Inaccurate Cannon Pinion
-Worse quality and thickness of main inscriptions on dial
-Little colour differences between markers and hands lume and inscriptions
-Inaccurate Crown shape
-Worse movement decoration
Main reasons for preferring KW version:
-Cleaner contour of crystal without marker reflections or whitish halo
-More accurate main inscriptions on dial and dial surface texture
-More accurate Cannon Pinion
-Matching of colours almost perfect
-More accurate Crown
-Better Movement decoration
Main reasons for NOT preferring KW version
-Shorter L SWISS MADE L inscription
-Worse Mid-case shape
-Case-set weight less close to gen
-Less accurate Date wheel fonts and placement of numbers
-More inaccurate crown Logo
-Worse strap
Maybe if you are the happy owner of a KW it would not be worth to do a change to ZFac, but vice versa is also correct in my opinion. Maybe it would be worth to swap KW strap with a ZFac.
I would say that, leaving aside the strap, I prefer KW version, since the whitish halo in crystal contour produces an overall less clean dial and KW dial inscriptions and CP are nicer (despite LSML and date wheel are worse than ZFac). Movement, although KW is better, is not decisive because the darkened display crystal and the rotor make difficult to notice the differences. The differences in mid-case shape, without direct side by side comparison and without knowing the flaws, are merely noticeable. In relation to weight, obviously, ZFac is more accurate and closer to gen, since it is made of Titanium, but both replicas are far from the gen weight. Anyway, two great reps and two great watches to be enjoyed for many time.


-KW V2-Seagull O-series SS+DLC w/decorated Seagull Inverted
June 2014- Following the changes to Seagull made recently by KW in decorated P.9000 movements, KW released a PAM 505 KW O-series with the same case as V2 with A7750 (lugs fixations improved) but returning to the decorated movement based in Seagull of V1 version.
Therefore we have now a rep V2 but with the decorated movement seagull based of V1. We will call this version V2-Seagull. No needed to explain the features of this new rep because is a KW V2 (lug fixation corrected) but with the movement of KW V1 (Seagull inverted). Price is also reduced.
Due to all those changes you would have to consult dealers before purchase which is the version they have available because usually there are some mistakes in catalogues. No modification in evaluation: First Class rep high level.


-KW V3 O-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
October 2014- KW released a new version of PAM 505 O-series called V3, again made of SS DLC coated. This version V3 presents a new feature, because it is fitted with a new decorated movement called KP9000-V2
This movement KP9000-V2 is a decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole†very accurate, getting a great gen-like appearance. With above mentioned features this KP9000-V2 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the improved Zfac decorated P.9000 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2.5
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed movement KP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5.
Regarding the rest of the watch there are no visible modifications. New KP9000-V2 decorated movement doesn’t allow an upgrading of the evaluation. Of course this version is more accurate than previous version with inverted layout movement but cannot get a better evaluation just because balance wheel remains placed @11 and the material is inaccurate. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep high level just more accurate than previous versions


-KW-V6Fac V3-Seagull O-series SS+DLC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
January 2015- KW-V6Fac release a rep of PAM 505 O-series made of SS+DLC coated. It is the same as previously commented rep KW V3 but fitted with a decorated Seagull NON-inverted, we will call this rep KW V3-Seagull.
As above commented this rep is fitted with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole†very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
The rest of the watch remains the same. High quality and finish and strong gen-like appearance.
Due to above already commented reasons we cannot increase evaluation and we will keep First Class rep high level. But just a bit better than previous versions. This is the best option from January 2015, very advisable and even cheaper.

This watch is a good candidate for a first replica

PAM 505
REPLICA links:
-KW V1 O-series SS+DLC w/decorated Seagull Inverted
(*)http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=57300&st=0

-KW V2 O-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32163(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=2870
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=11067
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn505o01-505o-composite-1950-days-dlcle-brown-p-14670.html

-ZFac O-series Ti+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.puretime.watch/product/pam505-o-radiomir-composite-black-seal-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p9000/
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/14889-pa1489-tswatch-project-pam505-o-radiomir-black-seal-ti-dlc-1-1-best-p3000.html (*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1369

-KW V2-Seagull O-series SS+DLC w/decorated Seagull Inverted
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32114
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+505&product_id=854
(*)http://intime.co/product.php?id_product=1223
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=12082

-KW V3 O-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32349
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam505-o-radiomir-composite-black-seal-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p9000/

-KW-V6Fac V3-Seagull O-series SS+DLC w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2) the best option from January 2015
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam505-o-radiomir-composite-black-seal-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p9000/
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13018
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn505o02-505o-composite-1950-days-dlcle-brown-p-16922.htm

GEN links:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1348813353/Composite-+The+Resurrection
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_341.html
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/watches/panerai-radiomir-composite-pam-504-and-composite-black-seal-pam-505/
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The PAM 507 is a 47mm Luminor 1950 Submersible Bronzo Automatic 3 Days, with Power reserve indicator on dial and made of Bronze. It was P-series introduced in SIHH 2013 in a Limited edition of 1000 units
Two years before in 2011, Panerai released the Panerai PAM 382 Bronzo that made waves within in the Paneristi community. It was something out of the box and till this day it is one of the hottest Panerais to own. Each one starts out as their counterparts all new and shiny, but after time the patina these bronzo take one make them unique to every owner out there. We have seen the price on these soar because of how desirable they are and how limited the production was.
Submersible Like it’s predecessor the PAM507 will be enclosed in a bronze submersible case and limited to only 1000 pieces worldwide. There are few differences with the new PAM507 as compared to the PAM382.
First off you will notice that the PAM507 has a power reserve indicator on the dial whereas the PAM382 did not. The PAM507 features a Panerai P.9002 Calibre compared to the P.9000 movement that is present in the PAM382. The newer P.9002 movement also features 29 jewels and 237 components while the PAM382 had 28 Jewels and 197 components in it’s In-House Movement. One advantage the PAM382 does have is that the crystal is 4mm thick vs the new one having a 2.9mm thick crystal. The rest of the features of the new Bronzo is pretty much identical to the previous release.
GEN FEATURES:
MOVEMENT - Automatic mechanical, Panerai P.9002 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 29 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 237 components.

FUNCTIONS - Hours, minutes, small seconds, date, seconds reset, power reserve indicator, calculation of immersion time.
CASE - Diameter 47 mm, brushed bronze.
BEZEL - Brushed bronze with polished edges, anti-clockwise unidirectional rotating bezel with graduated scale for calculating the time of immersion and ratchet click at minute intervals.
BACK - Brushed titanium with see-through sapphire crystal.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN - (protected as a trademark) Brushed bronze.
DIAL - Green with applied luminous hour markers. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock, power reserve indicator at 5 o’ clock.
CRYSTAL - Sapphire, made of corundum, 2.9 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER RESISTANCE - 30 bar (~ 300 metres).
STRAP - PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal brushed titanium buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.

April 2014- A rep of PAM 507 wrongly marked N-series (because this watch didn’t exist in 2011 N-series) is released. The maker is not stated but it really seems a ZFac version with the same bronze case-set of current PAM 382 but fitted with a cheap decorated A23J Seagull movement. It is a “Lite†or†economical†version of the ZFac fitted with A7750 decorated as P.3000. I’m writing economical in quotations because it really is quite expensive for the real quality as rep. The Date window and wheel font are really inaccurate and far from the gen appearance. The movement is the same as decorated A23J which fits the PAM 382 “Lite†introduced at the same time but with golden inscriptions like gen PAM 507, since these inscriptions say P.9000 and 28 jewels, they are completely inaccurate because gen 507 is P.9002 with 29 jewels. Caseback is the same of PAM 382 but with inscriptions painted in an ugly yellow colour instead of golden like gen. Due to caseback is from PAM 382, the OP is wrong because is OP 6808 like PAM 382 instead of OP 6807 like PAM 507. The series number is also wrong because PAM 382 is N-series and, as above said, PAM 507 didn’t exist in 2011, it was introduced in 2013 and therefore is P-series.
It is not announced either caseback or buckle as made of Titanium as PAM 382. But maybe they are Ti.
There is another inaccurate detail, because rep PAM 507 has a pusher in the side of the bronze case about @8 (maybe to change date) but gen has not this pusher.
In my opinion it is no worth to buy this rep, and you had better spending a little more of money and get a ZFac PAM 382 fitted with A7750 movement decorated like a P.9000 with correct date wheel and caseback.
It is an uneven construction with very good case-set in real bronze but with a cheap movement and inaccurate date, pusher @8 and caseback which ruins the quality of the case-set.
Some info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=180960 by Natas78
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=229833&p=2469880#post2469880 by ganlinia
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=181047 by Sora

The evaluation cannot be more than a medium grade rep, with good construction but very expensive.
PAM 507REPLICA links:
http://pure-time.com/product/pam507-n-bronzo-luminor-submersible-1950-3-days-on-brown-distressed-calfskin-strap-a23j/ PAM507 Bronze “LITE†- wrongly marked N-series
http://www.tswatchltd.com/15452-pa15452-pam507-n-bronzo-luminor-submersible-1950-3-days.html PAM507 Bronze “LITE†- wrongly marked N-series
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=3140&ti= PAM507 Bronze “LITE†- wrongly marked N-series
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=12043 PAM507 Bronze “LITE†- wrongly marked N-series
http://www.pf-818.com/pn382n12-bronzo-cple-green-hz2555p9000-p-15779.html PAM507 Bronze “LITE†- wrongly marked N-series

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_351.html
http://www.philippinewatchclub.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=30462&start=20
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/dive-watches/2013-panerai-pam-507/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1386036413/Pam+382+vs+Pam+507
http://www.paneraicentral.com/2013/10/panerai-pam507-luminor-submersible-1950-bronzo/
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/ref-pam00507.htm
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=277427
http://oceanictime.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/panerai-luminor-submersible-1950-3-days.html
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EVALUATION: Just a GOOD REP (ZFac P-series SS+DLC w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
EVALUATION: JUST a GOOD rep (KW-V6Fac P-series SS+DLC w/ decorated A7750 Inverted)
EVALUATION: SUPER REP (KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 Inverted)
EVALUATION: SUPER REP (KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2)
EVALUATION: JUST a GOOD rep (KW-V6Fac P-series DLC coated w/ decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted)
EVALUATION: SUPER REP (KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted) The most interesting version from April 2015 together with ZFac Ceramic w/A7750 NON-inverted improved
EVALUATION: SUPER REP (ZFac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5) The most interesting version from July 2015 together with KW with Seagull NON-inverted

The PAM 508 is a LUMINOR 1950 47mm Submersible Automatic 3days made of Black Ceramic. It was introduced in 2013 (P-series) as a special edition of only 1000 pcs. This PAM508 is the first Luminor Submersible watch has been executed in ceramic. PAM 508 combines both a vintage look with today's contemporary styling.
The PAM 508 houses the same P.9000 3 day automatic and is water resistant to 300m The P.9000 features a double barrel configuration and a bi-directional winding rotor, working in tandem to a power reserve of three days (72 hours). Also of note is the convenient system for adjusting the hour hand forward or backward in steps of one hour, at the same time also changing the date.
The Panerai PAM508 has the same structure as PAM 382 and PAM 305. PAM 508 really is an evolution of these Submersible watches but it is made of Black Ceramic instead of Bronze and Titanium respectively. The lume colour is ecru vintage instead of green like in 382 and 305, and features solid caseback Titanium DLC coated instead of display like its predecessors.
Maybe people would prefer sapphire display backs over solid casebacks mainly with nice movements as P.9000 is, but on the other hand, it does make more functional sense to put on a solid caseback since this is a diving watch.
Another difference is there are no quick strap change pushers on the PAM508 lugs, because the case is ceramic, so incorporating these quick strap change pushers would be difficult to implement technically without fracturing the ceramic lugs. To change straps on the PAM508 you will need a screwdriver.
Luminor 1950 black ceramic case we see that it has a fine sandblasted finish, resulting in the uniform matte appearance of the case.
The material, which is synthesized from zirconium oxide powder (Zr02); to achieve the color, a pigment highly resistant to heat is added during the production process. A ratio of ~80% zirconia powder and 20% binding powder are warmed and mixed slightly, then forced under extremely high pressure into the mold that takes the form of the component being produced. While still soft, components are further shaped and refined by turning, milling and drilling. Then, over a period of about three days, the components are heated to 1500C and then allowed to cool down; at this stage components consist of 100% zirconia ceramic (binder has been removed via a chemical process) and has a hardness of 1200HV, about about 5x that of stainless steel. The hard ceramic is then workable, via diamond grinding, to its final shape and sandblasted to a matte finish. In addition to its hardness, the ceramic has additional desirable qualities such as light weight, excellent resistance to scratches and corrosion. Ceramic does have its drawbacks (it is fragile) but the look, feel, and scratch resistance of ceramic outweighs the shock weakness of ceramic.
Dial inscriptions, date window and Superluminova-coated hour markers, graduated bezel scale, and hands – we see that they are executed in a single ecru color. This provides for a nice and consistent contrast against the ceramic case. I had the opportunity of seeing and wearing the gen in October 2013 and I have to admit is nice and even smart but in my opinion it results a bit dull or boring, a bit lifeless. But this is a taste matter and many people will like this black-ecru combination
Bezel is likewise crafted in black ceramic and has the graduated scale for calculating dive time immersion as is standard for the Submersible line.
Caseback is crafted of titanium and coated in black. It features the torpedo engraved in the middle.
The strap fits the watch very nicely. It is crafted of black leather, with a distressed finish. It has a trapezoidal black-titanium pin buckle.
GEN PAM 508 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Automatic mechanical, Panerai P.9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 197 components.

FUNCTIONS-Hours, minutes, small seconds, date, calculation of immersion time.
CASE- Diameter 47 mm, black ceramic.
BEZEL- Black ceramic anti-clockwise unidirectional rotating bezel with graduated scale for calculating the time of immersion and ratchet click at minute intervals.
BACK- Screw, titanium with special hard black coating.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (protected as a trademark) Black ceramic.
DIAL- Black with applied luminous hour markers. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, made of corundum, 4 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~ 300 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal titanium buckle with special hard black coating. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.


From May 2013- there are replicas Low grade of this watch. They are made, of course, in SS PVD coated the movement is a cheap Asian and dial is not at all accurate, since is the same as PAM 389 instead with all stick markers instead of combination sticks-dots. Date wheel and window are completely wrong due to movement used. Caseback is display instead of solid nad it is wrongly marked L-series. They are very low grade replica without ambitions but very expensive for their quality.


April 2014- Zfac released a PAM 508 P-series made of SS with Black DLC coating. This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has already the new ZFac “real†jewels instead of old ZFac “painted†jewels like first ZFac batches, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is inaccurate and seems weird. The balance wheel “hole†is much smaller than gen and looks inaccurate. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
CAL P.9000 inscription has inaccurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
Bellow is showed ZFac decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

This ZFac rep is well manufactured and has good finish, although I have seen some QC pics with dirty contours of the bezel around the bezel markers. Overall quality is good and the result is a nice watch.
Just to say some flaws to be corrected:

GEN PAM 508- SOME DIFFERENCES WITH ZFac REP

-Colour and finish surface of the case-set: Gen finish is very uniform in colour and has a sandblasted enough to get a really matt black very uniform for all parts: case, CG, Bezel, caseback. Zfac rep has less uniformity regarding finish and colour, sandblasted seems finer than gen and, mainly in the case and bezel markers, you can see a smoother and shinier black surface.
-Dots rings and contour of dial stick markers: Due to above finer sandblasted, rep rings and contours seem glossy and even some times seem silver instead of black.
-Rep caseback is made of SS DLC coated instead of Titanium like gen
-Lume of hands, markers, pearl and colour of datewheel, inscriptions and bezel markers (numerals and sticks) are quite uniform ecru in gen whereas in rep are a bit hit and miss and are lighter in general. For some reason the colours either in gen and reps change a lot with the light conditions and the angle and I have seen many gen pics showing differences between the colour lume of dial markers, hands, pearl and the colour of inscriptions and bezel markers. Moreover, the bezel markers either numerals or sticks have an ecru painting with something like metallic particles inside, giving this markers a metallic shine under some lighting conditions. Then this matter could not be very decisive.
-The inner coupling between lugs and case in gen has a strong rounded edge whereas in rep is almost squared.
-Bezel knurling is inaccurate like last ZFac releases
-Curiously the upper external bevelled in bezel is wider in ZFac PAM 508 than in ZFac PAM 382, but unfortunately gen PAM 508 has narrower bevelled. In this way both reps have inaccurate width of this bevelled
-CG chamfered corners of ZFac are way better than in ZFac Pam 382 but they are a bit bigger than gen (anyway we get an improvement from PAM 382)
-GEN Lever tip is clearly wider than in metallic watches but ZFac rep has the same lever than other metallic models.
-Cannon Pinion of ZFac watch seems wider than gen, but it is almost the same in diameter but minute hand has a ring which contours the CP making it wider in appearance. That is the same as in ZFac PAM 505. I don’t understand this kind of CP and I don’t like it.
Seeing the inaccurate and more heavy material (SS DLC coated instead of Ceramic), above mentioned flaws and the decorated inverted layout movement, I gave this rep a first evaluation of First Class bordering a lower status. But considering the current level of the reps and the release of real Ceramic reps of PAM 508, we should downgrade this rep to just a Good rep. Besides the high price of this rep made o SS DLC coated makes a non sense the purchase, having in the market reps made of real ceramic even cheaper.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=180729&p=1826694#post-1826694 by jamztio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=229635 by jamztio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=229902 by Cpairways
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=232096 by BMW 760


December 2014- KW-V6Fac released a PAM 508 P-series made of SS with Black DLC coating. This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has “real†jewels instead of “painted†jewels like first batches of ZFac movements, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole†is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

Regarding the rest of this rep we have to comment that it is very similar to ZFac SS DLC coated. The pearl is even better than first batches of ceramic versions but the CG lever has a wrong roller which is an evident flaw. People are usually saying that this rep is worse than ZFac SS DLC coated, but leaving aside the roller of the lever I don’t see the reason. Besides the price is more reasonable and makes this rep more interesting that ZFac which is really expensive. Anyway there is no reason of this purchase having nice real ceramic reps in the market. Evaluation of Just a good rep


December 2014- KW-V6Fac released a rep of PAM 508 P-series made of real black ceramic material. This was a new important step in Ceramic PAM reps after the ceramic releases of PAM 292, 441 and 438.
This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has “real†jewels instead of “painted†jewels like first batches of ZFac movements, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole†is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

In relation with the watch as a whole, just to say, to summarize, that is a magnificent rep, helped by a closed caseback (hiding the movement) and by an awesome real ceramic case really well built and finished.
The more controversial matters about this rep are the pearl and the lume and painting colours
-Pearl was inaccurate in the first batches (worse than in SS DLC coated versions) and we actually don’t know why. It seemed bigger, indeed it is bigger because the contour of the rep pearl is thinner than gen, besides it is more rounded, very glossy and with different colour. One of the reasons of these differences is the own construction of the rep pearl. PolonusTM made a fantastic study about this matter explaining that rep pearl was made in two layers: a lower layer of lume material and an upper “dome†of transparent material, whereas gen pearls is made of an only and uniform lume material. This rep pearl construction produces weird effects in rep pearl depending on the vision angle and looks very different on pics.
Read PolonusTM study here:
Pictorial mini-review and pearl construction
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=207435 by PolonusTM
Last batches of this ceramic rep look much better and we can say that they have reached a good level of accuracy and quality.
See a PolonusTM post. See the pearl of last version:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...ics-allowed?p=2092025&viewfull=1#post-2092025
Anyway be careful checking the rep pearl on QC pics.
-Lume of hands, markers, pearl and colour of datewheel, dial inscriptions are quite uniform ecru in gen whereas in rep are a bit hit and miss. Bezel markers (numerals and sticks) are a bit more metallic or golden than the rest of ecru colours, mainly in gen because rep colour is a bit less shiny most likely because rep paint has less metallic particles than gen painting. As above commented, for some reason the colours either in gen and reps change a lot with the light conditions and the angle and I have seen many gen pics showing differences between the colour lume of dial markers, hands, pearl and the colour of inscriptions and bezel markers. Moreover, the bezel markers either numerals or sticks have an ecru painting with something like metallic particles inside, giving this markers a metallic shine under some lighting conditions.
Following Polonus opinion in below link:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=245025&p=2604280&viewfull=1#post2604280 by PolonusTM
gen lume colours would be as follows:
“-Lume on hour markers should be darker than on hands.
-Hands lume should be tad lighter than minute markers on bezel.
-Pearl should somewhere between hour markers on dial and minute hands lume.â€
Following kilowattore opinion in below review:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=209560 by kilowattore
gen lume colour would be as follows:
“I can't really say if the colors used are exactly as gen, but I can say the color scheme looks right to me and makes the rep plausible:
- Hour markers match the bezel markers color, they are creamy rose gold color.
- Datewheel and seconds subdial markers match the hour markers.
- Lume on hands is a lighter beige/cream color matching the inscriptions on dial.
- Pearl does not match hour markers nor hands, it is a darker shade of the latter color.
All in all a very convincing result imho.â€
Since there are a lot of variations on appreciation of lume and painting colours either in gen or rep, this matter could not be very decisive and rep would have a good result and accuracy enough.
Anyway, we should say that rep lume material is more matt and grainy and it is applied with a flatter shape, whereas gen lume material is very uniform has softer surface (almost a bit shiny) and it is applied like a bit rounded dot (as a little dome).
Regarding painting of dial inscriptions the result in rep is accurate enough. The painting of bezel markers (numerals and sticks) looks very similar to the gen one, although a bit less shiny in rep, but under big macro pics you can see some imperfections in rep painting application, almost impossible to be seen in real size.
Above matters are not very noticeable in practice, only under enlarged macro pics. Therefore, as previously commented, this matter could not be very decisive.
More info here:
Pictorial mini-review and pearl construction:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=207435 by Polonus
Nice pictorial and review:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=209560 by kilowattore
Regarding the rest of the watch few things to be added over the above magnificent review by kilowattore.
As a summary:
Ceramic mid case: Looks impressive, well finished, accurate, with a strong gen-like appearance. One of the best reps cases ever made. Just the same as PAM 441-438 ceramic case. As kilowattore says:
“The more I look at this watch, the more I am impressed by the great work the maker did with replicating this ceramic case. I don't know if they used the same process used for the gen, but the result is breath taking. The watch has a presence that's emphasized by its perfect finish and touching the case somehow feels like touching a stone.â€
All is perfectly copied and even the rounded inner contours of the lugs joining the mid case are nicely present (this is a feature to tell the ceramic against the SS DLC coated case)
The surface presents a fine sandblasted finish that produces a clean and matt surface, changing of aspect with lighting conditions, just like gen.
Maybe the case could have some differences with the gen but I cannot remark important differences to be noticeable.
Crown guard- is almost perfect, inner shape and edges either sharp or rounded are nicely made and accurate and the chamfered corners are perfectly accurate and very well finished. CG pin, engravings, shape and lever (without roller like gen) are very accurate.
Bezel – is very well built, like the midcase. With precise and firm rotating working of 60 clicks as gen.
The profile shape is accurate with sharp and clean edges. Bezel knurling is very nice and gen-like, even the notches are a little deeper than gen but they are also even nicer than gen and the look is impressive. The chamfered at the lower part of the knurling has a bit less slope than gen (few noticeable).
Dots and 15,30 & 45 markers are almost like gen. They are almost flush with the bezel in the inner part and raised in the external side, but dots are a bit higher than gen. The shape is accurate but the bottom edge of dots seems a bit sharper than gen and that gives the fell dots are a bit bigger (few noticeable).
Either gen or rep dots and markers are not sandblasted and therefore they seem under different lighting conditions darker than bezel. Gen are made of ceramic but I think rep dots are made of SS DLC coated, anyway that is not decisive. Markers numerals are thinner and less obvious than gen ones and have worse centered position.
Stick minute markers on bezel (from 12 to 3) are well placed and with accurate and sharp engraving with a painting a bit worse than gen but few noticeable in practice.
A good bezel overall.
We have already talked about the rep Pearl no more adding comments.
Crystal: with good quality, clear, single sided colorless AR like gen.
Dial. Well finished and accurate regarding layout, fonts and markers. Just some comments about lume colours and lume material and application that we have previously commented. Lume quality is average
Skeleton shape hands are good and accurate with flat and polished CP, sometimes a bit recessed
Caseback: is made of titanium as per gen. Colour is accurate and engravings are accurate, sharp and defined
KW-V6Fac PAM 508 ceramic deserves to be among the best and better finished reps available starting 2015.
Over PAM 441 -438 ceramic Pam 508 has the advantage of a solid closed caseback that allows a Super rep evaluation. Always talking about units with corrected pearl
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=204491 by chel
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=244078 by Puretime
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=245025 by Atomic_doug
Comparison to the gen:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=253588 by xrez


January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep of PAM 508 P-series made of real black ceramic material. This was a new important step in Ceramic PAM reps after the ceramic releases of PAM 292, 441 and 438. This rep is the same as previous KW-V6Fac real ceramic rep above commented but now it is fitted a with a new KP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole†very accurate, getting a great gen-like appearance. With above mentioned features this KP9000-V2 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the improved Zfac decorated P.9000 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2.5
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed movement KP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5.
The rest of the watch is the same as Inverted version. Since the watch has closed caseback the more accurate NON-inverted movement is not as important as in a display back. But for perfectionist this NON-inverted movement could be a plus. The convenience of paying more money for this accuracy depends just on the buyer. Obviously the evaluation have to be the a Super rep, always talking about units with correct pearl.


March 2015- KW-V6Fac released a PAM 508 P-series made of SS with Black DLC coating. This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST25555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole†very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
Having in the market real ceramic reps this SS DLC coated version doesn’t make sense. This rep is the same as previously commented KW-V6Fac DLC coated rep but fitted with a decorated KP-9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted. This movement is accurate, reliable and non expensive, but since the caseback is closed, the accuracy is not a big advantage. Only the price seems interesting in this version. Just a Good rep.


April 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep of PAM 508 P-series made of real black ceramic material. This was a new important step in Ceramic PAM reps after the ceramic releases of PAM 292, 441 and 438. This rep is the same as previous KW-V6Fac real ceramic rep above commented but now it is fitted a with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole†very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
The rest of the watch is the same as other KW-V6Fac real ceramic versions. Since the watch has closed caseback the more accurate NON-inverted movement is not as important as in a display back. But for perfectionist this NON-inverted movement could be a plus. Anyway the movement is more accurate, but, besides, it is reliable and cheaper and this is really important. This rep has already the corrected pearl and is a real Super rep and cheaper than other ceramic version. ThereforeIMO this is the most advisable purchase from April 2015, together with belowcommented rep from ZFac Ceramic with decorated A7750 NON-inverted improvedZP9000-V2.5 released in July 2015
Some info from Sead:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/215141-pm-508kw-full-ceramic-seagull-movement

July 2015- Zfac released a PAM 508 P-series made of Real Ceramic. This rep is fitted with a new ZP9000-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole†almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9000-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9000 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole†and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.
This rep is very similar regarding quality to the KW ceramic version. The ceramic case and CG have impressive finsh and appearance, just like the KW The movement has similar accuracy leving asid the placement of Balance wheel (more accurate in KW Seagull). Dials are similar in quality with better CP in KW version but better date wheel in Zfac version. Nice pearl and bezel in the same level of KW. Movement has simlar accuracy leaving aside the Balance Wheel placement (more accurate in KW Seagull version).
It is agood option for ZFac lovers. We can say that evaluation would be the same as KW with Seagull NON-inverted. Suoer rep.
The best option from July 2015 together with KW Seagull NON-inverted version.

PAM 508
REPLICA links:
(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam508-p-zf-11-best-edition-real-ceramic-on-black-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000/ ZFac version Ceramic w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5
(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam508-p-v6f-11-best-edition-lite-real-ceramic-on-black-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000/ KW-V6Fac Ceramic w/KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
http://puretime.watch/product/pam508-p-v6f-lite-dlc-black-dial-on-black-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000/ KW-V6Fac SS+DLC coated w/KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam508-p-v6f-11-best-edition-real-ceramic-on-black-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000-free-rubber-strap/ KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 Inverted
http://puretime.watch/product/pam508-p-v6f-dlc-black-dial-on-black-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000/ KW-V6Fac P-series SS+DLC coated w/decorated A7750 Inverted
http://puretime.watch/product/pam508-p-zf-luminer-submersible-dlc-on-brown-distressed-calfskin-strap-p9000/ ZFac version SS+DLC coated w/decorated A7750 inverted
http://puretime.watch/product/pam508-luminer-submersible-amagnetic-pvd-on-black-rubber-strap-a23j/ LOW grade rep
(**)http://www.ts-station.co/16536-pa16536-pam508-p-v6f-1-1-real-ceramic-lt-seagull-st255.html KW-V6Fac Ceramic w/KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16105-pa16105-pam508-p-v6-1-1-real-ceramic-lt-p9000.html KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1667 ZFac version Ceramic w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1645 KW-V6Fac Ceramic w/KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1428 KW-V6Fac SS+DLC coated w/KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+508&product_id=1088 ZFac version SS+DLC coated w/decorated A7750 inverted
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2200-pam508-p-zf-1-1-best-real-ceramic-on-black-distressed-calfskin-strap.html ZFac version Ceramic w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1843 KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 Inverted
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13172 KW-V6Fac SS+DLC coated w/KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13171 KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 Inverted
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12806 KW-V6Fac P-series SS+DLC coated w/decorated A7750 Inverted
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn508p08-submersible-cerle-p-16804.html KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 Inverted
GEN links:
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2013/542-luminor-submersible-1950-3-days-automatic-ceramica-pam00508
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_352.html
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/dive-watches/closer-look-panerai-pam-508-luminor-sub-ceramica/
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-/pi-/ti-868438/t-panerai-sihh-2013-panerai-pam508-47mm-luminor-submersible-1950-ceramica-submersible/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1390840170/Pam+508
8-5

EVALUATION: Watch of first quality. GOOD replica (KW V1 version) (downgraded due to inaccurate dial)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (KW P-series decorated P.5000 V2)
The gens Pam 510 and 511 Luminor Marina 8 days power reserve were presented as P-series in SIHH 2013. PAM 51O has SS case completely polished except CG and buckle which are brushed. PAM 511 has Red Gold case full polished even CG and buckle.
They are like the successors or the evolution of PAM 111 Luminor Marina, have a similar 44mm Luminor case-set and similar sandwich dial, just similar because case-set has some differences and numeral markers are different (fonts are a bit wider and with different shape). PAM 510 has black dial and PAM 511 brown dial.
PAM 510-511 have a great difference in relation with their predecessors: they are fitted with a new totally “in-house†movement, called P.5000, with a power reserve of 8 days, instead of a Unitas-based movement 3 days like Pam 111 and similar Luminor Panerai watches. The movement is visible through the sapphire crystal of a nice display caseback.
This new manually wound movement is made completely in-house and has a power reserve of 8 days. This feature is an homage to the old Angelus-made 8-day watches. Even its size is reminiscent of the old movements, in a full 15.75 lignes (35.7mm) - the Angelus was a 16 ligne movement. The P.5000 has a structure similar to the old style movements, with most details hidden from the eye. All you can see on the P.5000 through the display caseback, besides the brush finished and diamond-polished plates, are the balance cock, the intermediate wheel, and a variable inertia balance wheel. P.5000 movement 8 days power reserve is obtained by connecting in series two barrels. This dual system allows the use of longer and thinner springs wound to the benefit of the length and uniformity of energy distribution. P.5000 movement has 21 jewels, 127 components and a frequency of 3 Hz. The P.5000 has no quick reset seconds hand feature like the P.2000 movement. This movement varies significantly from the other in-house manually wound calibers in this price range.
See good pics and movement components here:
http://rubberb.com/blog/new-panerai-8-day-power-reserve/
PAM 510 is sold at a price no much higher than PAM 111, although it is fitted with a much more expensive movement, that could be a good reason for a future success in sales. Pam 510 comes with a warm black distressed leather strap which looks in person much better than expected from pics.
[VIDEO PAM 510] http://youtu.be/O_49Mk04R0M

December 2013- KW releases a replica P-series of PAM 510, using a decorated A-6497-2 movement. This decorated movement has not inverted layout like other decorated movements but has the Balance wheel @11 (like 6497 mvmt.) instead of @7 like gen. See below pics

KW V1 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – WATCHES PLACED IN THE SAME POSITION (In order to see the different placement of movements)

In above pics both watches are placed in the same position (see CGs green encirled). We can see the different placement of the whole movement and the Balance wheels @7 and@11.
This decorated movement is a very good step to get the P.5000 appearance and for a no trained eye it is almost impossible to see differences in a no side by side comparison. In below pics Gen watch is turned to match gen and rep movement position (see CGs green encircled in different positions). In this way we can compare the movements in parallel. You can see there is a great similarity

KW V1 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – GEN WATCH IS TURNED TO MACTH MOVEMENT POSITIONS (In order to see the similarity of decorated movement with gen)

Anyway there are differences as follows:
-Decorated KW A-6497 movement has not, obviously, 8 days of Power reserve
-Balance wheel position @ 11 instead of @7 (as above said)
-Replica has a conventional “big†6497 Balance wheel, whereas gen has a little variable inertia balance wheel. This difference is the most noticeable in the rep movement.
-Balance cock (the bridge with the Incabloc over the BW) has very different shape and Incablock support in the rep due to necessities of 6497 movement. This is also noticeable.
-Some differences in bridges shape and jewels placements due to a different movement of base.
-Although the finish of rep bridges is very good, as usually in KW decorations, gen bridges have nicer, more uniform and more fine brushed and the edges are better defined and bevelled and mainly more nicely polished. Anyway the rep appearance in real size is awesome and reaches a gen-like level more than acceptable.
-Inscriptions on bridges have good finish, but are thicker and not as nice as gen. Due to the structure of 6497 movement, the rep inscriptions are placed clearly outwards, for this reason they are a bit bigger than gen to get the same appearance and not to leave longer spaces between prints. But this is only noticeable in side by side comparisons, because the inscriptions are not inverted like in P.9000 decorations.
Anyway, this is one of the most accurate (in appearance, because it has not the Power Reserve of the gen) of rep decorated movements on first quarter 2014, togheter with KW P.2002/9 fitting KW PAM 346 even superior in appearance to clone P.3000 of PAM 372 (but this movement has a PR close to the gen).
Regarding Luminor 44mm case-set, KW version is already well known and with a very good reputation of awesome finish, solid gen-like appearance and some inaccuracies in lugs as all rep Luminor case-sets at this moment. For more info about this case-set you can read here the complete review of ALE-Kolckis:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032&pid=932572&st=0&#entry932572 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=209577 by Klockis-ALE
Just to say that the slightly higher (and a bit outwards) wrong placement of lug screw holes is more evident in the pics of these replicas. But maybe is an optical effect.
Unfortunately, the case-set of gen 8 days series is a bit different from the old Luminor 44mm. The new 8 days P.5000 movement is thinner than old Unitas 6497-2, this smaller thickness allows a thinner case in the new gen 8 days series, with different lugs shape, new bezel also is thinner but with wider base, and the crystal is almost flush with the bezel. KW is using for its 8 days replicas the same case-set and crystal as “old†Luminor 44mm. It is no easy to see the differences without knowing them and without a side by side comparison, but they exist.
See some pics and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192007 by ALE
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1407933439/Luminor+vs+Luminor+8+Days+~+PAM+546+-+PAM+590
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=68428563
Caseback is also nice, with deep engravings and sapphire display. Just to say that in available replicas pics the N-series engraving is missing. This is a visible flaw
And now the main problem in this replica: the sandwich dial and the hands type
As you can see in below comparison pic, the numeral markers of rep dial are different from gen ones. This is due to the dial used in this KW rep is the same as PAM 111 dial, but the gen dial have wider fonts and with slightly different shape. See mainly “2†“3†and “6†markers.
Rep hands are Pre-V type whereas gen hands are modern type
These flaws are really noticeable and being located on the dial is a serious issue for a replica.

I personally prefer PAM 111 dial, even without 8 days inscription that in my opinion makes a bit busy the surface.
I don’t understand why KW has used this kind of dial instead of the correct, maybe a mistake, maybe to use existing dials, nobody is perfect.
It is a shame because the watch is very well manufactured and gets an impressive level of quality and gen-like appearance, but the wrong dial avoids a higher First Class rep evaluation, since the decorated movement avoids previously a Super rep evaluation.
Very good first class watch and just a good replica due to a wrong dial and a bit inaccurate case-set and crystal.
More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=219372 by hykenny
Discussion and review thread :
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170562 by ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=222279 by ALE

April 2014- KW stopped production of this watch due to dial issues and, even not officially said, it is assumed they are arranging a V2 version with correct dial

May 2014- KW announces the release of new KW PAM 511 V2 P-series with corrected dial, caseback with serial number (missing in V1), better lume and more accurate movement, improving jewels shape and some bridges including balance cock. Differences are not big but they are enough to get a more accurate movement. See bellow pic:

KW V1 & V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – GEN WATCH IS TURNED TO MACTH MOVEMENT POSITIONS (In order to see the similarity of decorated movements with gen)

V1 version had inaccurate Pre-V type hands instead of modern hands like gen, that has not changed in V2, and then V2 version has inaccurate hands type like V1.
Unfortunately, the case-set of gen 8 days series is a bit different from the old Luminor 44mm. The new 8 days P.5000 movement is thinner than old Unitas 6497-2, this smaller thickness allows a thinner case in the new gen 8 days series, with different lugs shape, new bezel also is thinner but with wider base, and the crystal is almost flush with the bezel. KW is using for its 8 days replicas the same case-set and crystal as “old†Luminor 44mm. It is no easy to see the differences without knowing them and without a side by side comparison, but they exist.
See some pics and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192007 by ALE
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1407933439/Luminor+vs+Luminor+8+Days+~+PAM+546+-+PAM+590
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=68428563
Due to inaccurate hands type, old case-set and crystal, we must consider this watch a First Class rep low level
More info here
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231699by twizynorthwood
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221435 by Vbmrk
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184902 by ZoomBoy
Fantastic pictorial from Del
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=85566 by Del

May 2014- Puretime announces that ZFac is working in a PAM 510 with corrected case-set. As above said Frist KW releases of 8 days PAM reps came with the same case-set as old Luminor 44mm. Therefore this new 8days ZFac version, always following Puretime indications, will be way closer to gen. Besides, Puretime says that this new ZFac Pam 510 will be fitted with a real 8 days movement without more explanations. The release is expected in about three four months. We will see
More info and comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231981 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184326 by thedonsl

PAM 510
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsit-watch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32274 KW P-series decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam510-p-on-black-distressed-calfskin-strap-p5000/ KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15660-pa15600-pam510-p-luminor-8-days-black-ss-lt-p5000.html KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1302 KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3101 KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=11982 KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn51001-days-ssle-black-a6497p5000-21600b-p-15707.html KW decorated P.5000 V2
http://www.tswatchltd.com/14824-pa14824-pam510-luminor-marina-8-days-black-ss-lt-p5000.html KW decorated P.5000 V1
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1358 KW decorated P.5000 V1
http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=11536 KW decorated P.5000 V1
http://www.pf-818.com/pn51001-days-ssle-black-a6497p5000-21600b-p-15191.html KW decorated P.5000 V1

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_354.html
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/introducing-the-panerai-pam-510-luminor-marina-8-days-with-caliber-p5000-a-new-in-house-guy-for-under-8000
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1368197929/PAM510+and+PAM511
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-5868218/ti-862628/t-/
http://rubberb.com/blog/new-panerai-8-day-power-reserve/
http://www.lesrhabilleurs.com/la-panerai-luminor-gagne-en-endurance/
**

EVALUATION: Watch of first quality . GOOD replica (KW V1 version) (downgraded due to inaccurate dial)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (KW P-series decorated P.5000 V2)
The gens Pam 510 and 511 Luminor Marina 8 days power reserve were presented as P-series in SIHH 2013. PAM 51O has SS case completely polished except CG and buckle which are brushed. PAM 511 has Red Gold case full polished even CG and buckle.
They are like the successors or the evolution of PAM 111 Luminor Marina, have a similar 44mm Luminor case-set and similar sandwich dial, just similar because case-set has some differences and numeral markers are different (fonts are a bit wider and with different shape). PAM 510 has black dial and PAM 511 brown dial.
PAM 510-511 have a great difference in relation with their predecessors: they are fitted with a new totally “in-house†movement, called P.5000, with a power reserve of 8 days, instead of a Unitas-based movement 3 days like Pam 111 and similar Luminor Panerai watches. The movement is visible through the sapphire crystal of a nice display caseback.
This new manually wound movement is made completely in-house and has a power reserve of 8 days. This feature is an homage to the old Angelus-made 8-day watches. Even its size is reminiscent of the old movements, in a full 15.75 lignes (35.7mm) - the Angelus was a 16 ligne movement. The P.5000 has a structure similar to the old style movements, with most details hidden from the eye. All you can see on the P.5000 through the display caseback, besides the brush finished and diamond-polished plates, are the balance cock, the intermediate wheel, and a variable inertia balance wheel. P.5000 movement 8 days power reserve is obtained by connecting in series two barrels. This dual system allows the use of longer and thinner springs wound to the benefit of the length and uniformity of energy distribution. P.5000 movement has 21 jewels, 127 components and a frequency of 3 Hz. The P.5000 has no quick reset seconds hand feature like the P.2000 movement. This movement varies significantly from the other in-house manually wound calibers in this price range.
See good pics and movement components here:
http://rubberb.com/blog/new-panerai-8-day-power-reserve/
PAM 510 is sold at a price no much higher than PAM 111, although it is fitted with a much more expensive movement, that could be a good reason for a future success in sales. Pam 510 comes with a warm black distressed leather strap which looks in person much better than expected from pics.

Gen PAM 511 Red Gold has a very beautiful colour and slightly more "red" than other rose gold watches. The gold alloy has 24% of Copper to get the colour and a little percentage of Platinum to get shine and avoid corrosion. I have seen in person and worn a PAM 511 and I can say the colour is really nice and with a strong personality. An awesome brown alligator strap fits perfectly this elegant watch.
You can see this colour and the beauty of PAM 511 in below video:
[VIDEO PAM 511] http://youtu.be/_J31IJs-yd4

January 2014- KW releases a replica P-series of PAM 511, using a decorated A-6497-2 movement. This decorated movement has not inverted layout like other decorated movements but has the Balance wheel @11 (like 6497 mvmt.) instead of @7 like gen. See below pics

KW V1 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – WATCHES PLACED IN THE SAME POSITION (In order to see the different placement of movements)

In above pics both watches are placed in the same position (see CGs green encirled). We can see the different placement of the whole movement and the Balance wheels @7 and@11.
This decorated movement is a very good step to get the P.5000 appearance and for a no trained eye it is almost impossible to see differences in a no side by side comparison. In below pics Gen watch is turned to match gen and rep movement position (see CGs green encircled in different positions). In this way we can compare the movements in parallel. You can see there is a great similarity

KW V1 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – GEN WATCH IS TURNED TO MACTH MOVEMENT POSITIONS (In order to see the similarity of decorated movement with gen)

Anyway there are differences as follows:
-Decorated KW A-6497 movement has not, obviously, 8 days of Power reserve
-Balance wheel position @ 11 instead of @7 (as above said)
-Replica has a conventional “big†6497 Balance wheel, whereas gen has a little variable inertia balance wheel. This difference is the most noticeable in the rep movement.
-Balance cock (the bridge with the Incabloc over the BW) has very different shape and Incablock support in the rep due to necessities of 6497 movement. This is also noticeable.
-Some differences in bridges shape and jewels placements due to a different movement of base.
-Although the finish of rep bridges is very good, as usually in KW decorations, gen bridges have nicer, more uniform and more fine brushed and the edges are better defined and bevelled and mainly more nicely polished. Anyway the rep appearance in real size is awesome and reaches a gen-like level more than acceptable.
-Inscriptions on bridges have good finish, but are thicker and not as nice as gen. Due to the structure of 6497 movement, the rep inscriptions are placed clearly outwards, for this reason they are a bit bigger than gen to get the same appearance and not to leave longer spaces between prints. But this is only noticeable in side by side comparisons, because the inscriptions are not inverted like in P.9000 decorations.
Anyway, this is one of the most accurate (in appearance, because it has not the Power Reserve of the gen) of rep decorated movements on first quarter 2014, togheter with KW P.2002/9 fitting KW PAM 346 even superior in appearance to clone P.3000 of PAM 372 (but this movement has a PR close to the gen).
Regarding Luminor 44mm case-set, KW version is already well known and with a very good reputation of awesome finish, solid gen-like appearance and some inaccuracies in lugs as all rep Luminor case-sets at this moment. For more info about this case-set you can read here the complete review of ALE-Kolckis:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032&pid=932572&st=0&#entry932572 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=209577 by Klockis-ALE
Just to say that the slightly higher wrong placement of lug screw holes is more evident in the pics of these replicas. But maybe is an optical effect.
Unfortunately, the case-set of gen 8 days series is a bit different from the old Luminor 44mm. The new 8 days P.5000 movement is thinner than old Unitas 6497-2, this smaller thickness allows a thinner case in the new gen 8 days series, with different lugs shape, new bezel also is thinner but with wider base, and the crystal is almost flush with the bezel. KW is using for its 8 days replicas the same case-set and crystal as “old†Luminor 44mm. It is no easy to see the differences without knowing them and without a side by side comparison, but they exist.
See some pics and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192007 by ALE
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1407933439/Luminor+vs+Luminor+8+Days+~+PAM+546+-+PAM+590
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=68428563
PAM 511 rose gold coating colour seems matching well red colour than gen, likely due to a higher content of copper as usual coatings, it is really nice but maybe a little less shiny than gen (as above said gen has some Platinum to get shine and avoid corrosion)
Caseback is nice too with deep engravings and sapphire display. Just to say that in available replicas pics the N-series engraving is missing. This is a visible flaw
And now the main problem in this replica: the sandwich dial and the hands type
As you can see in below comparison pic, the numeral markers of rep dial are different from gen ones. This is due to the dial used in this KW rep is the same as PAM 111 dial, but the gen dial have wider fonts and with slightly different shape. See mainly “2†“3†and “6†markers.
Rep hands are Pre-V type whereas gen hands are modern type
These flaws are really noticeable and being located on the dial is a serious issue for a replica.

I personally prefer PAM 111 dial, even without 8 days inscription that in my opinion makes a bit busy the surface.
I don’t understand why KW has used this kind of dial instead of the correct, maybe a mistake, maybe to use existing dials, nobody is perfect.
It is a shame because the watch is very well manufactured and gets an impressive level of quality and gen-like appearance, but the wrong dial avoids a higher First Class rep evaluation, since the decorated movement avoids previously a Super rep evaluation.
Very good first class watch and just a good replica due to a wrong dial and a bit inaccurate case-set and crystal.
Very good first class watch and just a good replica due to a wrong dial and a bit inaccurate case-set and crystal.
Some info here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=68912 by Vbmk
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=169272 by Sharrkey
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221435 by Vbmk
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221788 by Daylights
Discussion and review thread :
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=170562 by ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=222279 by ALE
Nice pictorial here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=90191&hl=&fromsearch=1
by Gazzla

April 2014- KW stopped production of this watch due to dial issues and, even not officially said, it is assumed they are arranging a V2 version with correct dial

May 2014- KW announces the release of new KW PAM 511 V2 P-series with corrected dial, caseback with serial number (missing in V1), better lume and more accurate movement, improving jewels shape and some bridges including balance cock. Differences are not big but they are enough to get a more accurate movement. See bellow pic:

KW V1 & V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – GEN WATCH IS TURNED TO MACTH MOVEMENT POSITIONS (In order to see the similarity of decorated movements with gen)

V1 version had inaccurate Pre-V type hands instead of modern hands like gen, that has not changed in V2, and then V2 version has inaccurate hands type like V1.
Unfortunately, the case-set of gen 8 days series is a bit different from the old Luminor 44mm. The new 8 days P.5000 movement is thinner than old Unitas 6497-2, this smaller thickness allows a thinner case in the new gen 8 days series, with different lugs shape, new bezel also is thinner but with wider base, and the crystal is almost flush with the bezel. KW is using for its 8 days replicas the same case-set and crystal as “old†Luminor 44mm. It is no easy to see the differences without knowing them and without a side by side comparison, but they exist.
See some pics and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192007 by ALE
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1407933439/Luminor+vs+Luminor+8+Days+~+PAM+546+-+PAM+590
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=68428563
Due to inaccurate hands type, old case-set and crystal, we must consider this watch a First Class rep low level
More info here
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231699 by twizynorthwood
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=221435 by Vbmrk
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=233578&p=2503306#post2503306 by mike00
Nice pictorial here:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=97469 by mo9292


May 2014- Puretime announces that ZFac is working in a PAM 510 with corrected case-set. As above said Frist KW releases of 8 days PAM reps came with the same case-set as old Luminor 44mm. Therefore this new 8days ZFac version, always following Puretime indications, will be way closer to gen. Besides, Puretime says that this new ZFac Pam 510 will be fitted with a real 8 days movement without more explanations. The release is expected in about three four months. Since new PAM 8 days 510-511-560-561 and 563 have the same caseset and movement we should also expect new versions of all these watches.
More info and comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231981 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184326 by thedonsl

PAM 511
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32273 KW P-series decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam511-p-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-p5000/ KW P-series decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15663-pa15663-pam511-p-luminor-8-days-rg-lt-p5000.html KW P-series decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3102 KW P-series decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=11983 KW P-series decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn51101-days-rgle-black-a6497p5000-21600b-p-15706.html KW P-series decorated P.5000 V2
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+511&product_id=954 KW decorated P.5000 V1
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=11655 KW decorated P.5000 V1

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_355.html
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/introducing-the-panerai-pam-510-luminor-marina-8-days-with-caliber-p5000-a-new-in-house-guy-for-under-8000
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1368197929/PAM510+and+PAM511
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-5868218/ti-862628/t-/
http://rubberb.com/blog/new-panerai-8-day-power-reserve/
http://www.lesrhabilleurs.com/la-panerai-luminor-gagne-en-endurance/
8-5



GUIDE Section A continues below – next post

 

[ALE7575]

EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP Low level ( KW-V6Fac P-series w/ Asian 23J decorated like P.999)

The gen PAM 512 is a Radiomir 1940 42mm introduced in 2013 SIHH. The standard Radiomir case has gotten a lot of love over the years and has always been the "dressier" Panerai, thanks to its onion crown and slim welded strap loops which are well suited for alligator straps and wear with a dress shirt. Radiomir 1940 case was introduced in 2012 with a Special Edition of 100 pcs. Of PAM 399 fitted with a beatiful movement Minerva base caliper OPXXVII.
Dial is black, sandwich type, with Super Luminova lume ecru vintage colour. Arabic 12, 3 and 6 markers and sticks markers with a seconds subdial @9. RADIOMIR PANERAI inscription under 12 marker completes the dial.
The new Radiomir 1940 case is a cushion design inspired in an evolution, made about 1940, of old Radiomir cases used by professional divers who asked for a more solid and resistant case, with stronger lugs and rectangular crown instead the old onion Radiomir type. This case was the transition between the old traditional Radiomir and the new more squared Luminor which added the typical Crown Guard protection currently used.
The Radiomir 1940 is essentially is a third family of cases for the brand. This variation splits the difference and works well as a sports watch but can still clean up alright. The familiar cushion case works well on its own without the Luminor’s crown protector, making it a little less brutish and a little more versatile.
2013 year, Panerai introduced four Radiomir 1940 novelties in two sizes and two metals. Made of polished SS: PAM 512 with 42mm and PAM 514 with 47mm. Made of Red Gold: PAM 513 with 42mm and PAM 515 with 47mm.
These PAM 512 and 513 42mm watches are more wearable for small wrists. I have had the opportunity of wearing and compare all those gens in a Panerai exhibition in Madrid. In my opinion, and that was the general consensus, 42mm looks a bit small and 47mm looks a bit big. Many people would like better a 45mm version. Radiomir 1940 42mm are perfect for women liking PAMs and men with very small wrists. I would avoid 47mm for less 7” wrists.
Other than the case dimensions, the movements are different between the 42mm and 47mm Radiomir 1940 watches. The 47mm make use of Panerai’s P.3000 handwound calibre with the three day power reserve while the 42mm are fitted with the P.999/1 hand-cranked movement, which has a still respectable 60-hour power reserve but also has the distinction of being Panerai’s slimmest movement. This translates into the PAM 512 being the sveltest Panerai to date in all dimensions. The movements are covered by a see-through caseback with sapphire crystal
The Radiomir 1940 case is really nice and elegant, very dressy, and looks slim and stuck to the wrist.
GEN PAM 512 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT: Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.999/1 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 12 lignes, 3 mm thick, 19 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 60 hours. 144 components.
FUNCTIONS: Hours, Minutes, Small Seconds
CASE: Diameter 42 mm, AISI 316L Polished Steel
BEZEL: Polished Steel
CASEBACK: See - through sapphire crystal
DIAL: Sands¿wich Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. Seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL: Sapphire crystal formed of corundum
WATER RESISTANCE:10 bar (~100 metres)
STRAP: Alligator, Black, Ecru/ MM Standar


KW-V6Fac P-series w/ Asian 23J decorated like P.999
January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 512 P-series fitted with an Asian 23J decorated like P.999/1.
This rep movement is an Asian 23J decorated to get a visual appearance like P.999/1. But Gen P.999/1 has the balance wheel @11 whereas Asian 23J has the balance wheel @6, therefore the match is impossible. Besides some parts of rep movement don’t allow a decoration exactly as gen and the resultant layout is somehow inverted although we rotate the gen to get matching with the rep.

GEN P.999/1 – KW DECORATED A 23J – COMPARISON
Left side and Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-GEN WATCH ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

Gen movement has about 60 hrs. of power reserve, rep movement can get about 40 hrs. To add more problems, the rep movement is bigger than gen and fills completely the window of the caseback, whereas gen movement leaves a “ring” between its contour and the window of the caseback. See the green lines in above comparison pics.
Another obvious issue on rep movement was that it used blue screws, as we can see on the pics, but gen has silver screws. This issue was corrected about March 2015 and from this month the reps came with correct screw colour. Read below links:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/208724-Should-I-buy-the-new-512?p=2167550&viewfull=1#post-2167550 by Walker DH
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/208724-Should-I-buy-the-new-512?p=2185387&viewfull=1#post-2185387 by Sora
This decorated movement is a good attempt, the decorated movement seems nice and well made, but unfortunately the balance wheel position, the inaccurate and inverted layout, the blue screws in first batches, a couple of screws off the center in one of the wheels, and much more details are obvious tell in a direct comparison or directly by a semi-expert person.
There is no good rep solution currently for this P.999/1 gen movement, but this decorated solution is not good enough to get a great evaluation, just a nice solution to keep the watch on the wrist.

To get more info about these reps you have a nice comparison with gen review by Sbybbuser and a nice review by mysterio
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/217122-PAM-512-Gen-vs-Rep-comparison?highlight=pam+512 by Sbybbuser
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=99722 by Sbybbuser
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=208908 by mysterio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=246402&highlight=pam+512 by mysterio

Due to gen P.999/1 movement is really thin, it is impossible to get the slim thickness of the gen by the reps. Therefore the case, bezel and caseback of the reps are clearly thicker than gen. Lugs are also thicker and with a bit wrong shape, with narrower flat base. For above reasons the rep is not as nice and elegant as gen, because one of the nicest features of these gens Radiomir 1940 is the slim thickness. Caseback engravings are accurate and defined enough.
Crown is accurate and crown OP logo is less deeply engraved but accurate enough, although no perfect. The notch in the case to house the crown has no noticeable differences
Dial surface is accurate in texture and colour, but lume and inscriptions are darker and more vintage colour than gen. This issue is really noticeable,as you can see in above commented review. Markers, dial layout are accurate, the inscriptions on dial are very accurate and nicely made, there are no flaws to be remarked aside the colours.
Hands are very accurate but CP is bigger, recessed and a bit pointy. As commented by some owners gen CP is also a bit recessed many times but it is nicely polished. However is the gen the rep is clearly bigger, pointy and worse finished.
This rep is overall very well made and gets some features of the gen without arriving to the beauty and elegance of the gen but achieving a dressy quality like gen has.
Due to a carefully manufacture and overall quality this rep can get a First Class evaluation but low level due to obviously inaccurate movement and inaccurate thickness.
Anyway this rep will be able to cover the expectations of some small wrist buyers (and even women) looking for a nice small PAM 42mm.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=169425 by surv
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=245236 by Puretime
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=245545 by HalCyon
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=245633 by jgm10
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/208724-Should-I-buy-the-new-512-series by Sultan Brunei
Reviews:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/217122-PAM-512-Gen-vs-Rep-comparison?highlight=pam+512 by Sbybbuser
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=99722 by Sbybbuser
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=208908 by mysterio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=246402&highlight=pam+512 by mysterio


PAM 512
REPLICA links:
KW-V6Fac P-series w/ Asian 23J decorated like P.999
(*)http://www.kuvarsit.watch/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32576
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam512-p-v6f-11-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p999/
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam512-p-v6f-11-best-edition-on-very-deep-brown-asso-strap-p999/
(*)http://www.tswatch.club/16242-c.html
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1387
(*)http://www.7750asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3413
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/1875-pam512-p-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-very-deep-brown-asso-strap-p999.html
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12989

GEN links:
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/radiomir-1940/radiomir-1940-acciaio---42mm_pam00512.search.html?search=512&case=0&movement=0&function=0&casediameter=0&material=0&color=0&setTop=setTopSearch
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_345.html
http://watch-test.com/2013/03/test-panerai-radiomir-1940-42-mm-pam-512/
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/radiomir-1940-42mm-pam-512--id2694320.htm
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/pam-512-radiomir-1940-acciaio-mens-42mm-black-arabic-index-stainless-steel--id3522274.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIN5yv05hpc
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/panerai-radiomir-1940-42mm-pam00512-the-panerai-many-were-waiting-for
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f75/review-pam512-pam514-942845.html
http://en.chronos24.pl/test-review-officine-panerai-radiomir-1940-42mm-pam00512/
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?284267-Panerais-PAM-512-1940-Radiomir-42mm
http://www.bernardwatch.com/Panerai/Radiomir-1940/PAN1060
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai-radiomir-1940-3-days-pam514-watch-review/
1-6

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP (QUARTZ versions)
EVALUATION: Just a good rep nicely made (Wrongly O-series version)
EVALUATION: Good rep nicely made bordering First Class rep status (KW-V6Fac version)
Officine Panerai presented in the SIHH 2014 three, we could say, “retro-chronographs”. They were some of the most interesting releases of this SIHH.
They are incredibly nice, cool and expensive. These new watches were Unique Limited Edition watches, with a Radiomir 1940 45mmm case made of expensive precious metal, display caseback with sapphire crystal and non protected crown. On all three versions, a sub-seconds dial sits at 9 o’clock with a minutes totalizer at 3 o’clock. The sub-dials are well proportioned with respect to the vintage style tachymeter scale that circles the edge. As a departure from contemporary models that use sapphire crystal, the new model uses a plexiglass crystal, referencing the poly crystal used on the original Radiomir made for the Royal Italian Navy.
Panerai recalls its historical ties using the historical and absolutely stunning manual chronograph movement OP XXV based on Minerva caliber 13-22 movement. It is one of the most beautifully finished Panerai movements we can find. This hand-wound movement features a column wheel chronograph with horizontal coupling and a swan neck regulator. As above commented it is built on a Minerva 13-22 base, paying tribute to the historical links between the Swiss movement manufacturer and Panerai, which started in the 1920s. The movement has a low frequency of 18,000 vibrations per hour and provides about 55 hours of power-reserve.
Three models have a retro-feeling complex dial combining three different styles: dots& needles with raised lume material, California style and sandwich tyoe dial, all them with stylized hands. These retro dials combined with the cushion shape of the case complete the 1940s aesthetic.
Instead of simply changing the case metal, there are design differences among all three models, creating a distinct identity for each limited edition piece.
PAM 518- Platino (platinum) version. Unique Limited Edition of 50 units. Ivory dial and luminous dot & needles hour markers result in a more vintage design. A blue center seconds hand and matching minute-register hand add a subtle hint of colour to an otherwise tonal dial. The watch has light brown alligator strap with plished white gold buckle.
PAM 519- Oro Rosso (red gold). Unique Limited Edition of 100 units. This version features a chocolate-brown California dial with an unusual mix of both Arabic and Roman luminous numeral hour markers. The tachymeter scale on the outer rim, the minute-seconds track and the two subdials are railway style contributing to the vintage look of this cool looking watch.
With matching brown alligator strap with contrast stitching lends a more casual feel to this one.
PAM 520- Oro Bianco (white gold). Unique Limited Edition of 100 units. There’s clean contrast among the polished white gold case, deep black dial, and sand-colored dial markers. The dial is a sandwich type dial, with its two-layer structure. Like on PAM 519, the tachymeter scale on the outer rim, the minute-seconds track and the two subdials are railway style contributing to the vintage look of this cool looking watch. With matching black alligator strap with contrast stitching.
GEN PAM 518 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Hand-wound mechanical, exclusive Panerai OP XXV calibre, 12¾ lignes, 22 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 18,000 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Swan’s neck regulator. Power reserve 55 hours. Côtes de Genève decoration on the bridges.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds, chronograph with two counters, tachymeter scale.
CASE- Diameter 45 mm, polished platinum. Screw-down winding crown personalised OP. Polished platinum buttons for the chronograph functions at 2 and 4 o’clock.
BEZEL- Polished platinum.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DIAL- Ivory with luminous dots and hour markers. Minute counter at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock, central chronograph hand. Tachymeter scale on the edge of the dial.
CRYSTAL- Plexiglas®, 2.8 mm thick.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 5 bar (~ 50 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised alligator strap and 18 ct. polished white gold adjustable buckle.

June 2014- It was released a rep PAM 518 (together with a PAM 520) fitted with very inaccurate Quartz movement and wrong case Luminor 1950 type. It is no worth to study more deeply this rep because it has not interest for advised fans.
Of course a Low grade rep and not advisable purchase.

October 2014- It was release a rep PAM 518 wrongly marked O-series, since the PAM 518 was released in 2014 and therefore it is Q-series. Fitted with a Venus movement Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania).
This rep is nicely made but has a lot of flaws in comparison with the gen.
Dial layout is not extremely bad and inscriptions are good enough for the quality of the rep, with obvious differences in PANERAI fonts. Minute stick markers, where there are numerals, are thinner in rep whereas in gen are bolder. Subdials prints are clearly bigger and inaccurate, but they are nicely recessed on dial surface, even more than KW-V6Fac version . Due to the Seagull layout crown, chrono pushers and subdials have a little different placements.
Dial has noticeable inaccurate hands shape and the hands lume is clearly wider, minute hands is especially bad. Big second blue chrono hand is shorter and fatter whereas, curiously, little hands on subdials are better than below KW-V6Fac version of the watch.
Dots and needles markers have inaccurate flat shape and wrong colour
Crystal is wrong mineral instead of Plexi but it is almost correctly domed. Just to say that rep mineral crystal deforms a bit the contour of the dial.
Case has inaccurate cushion shape, less “squared” than gen. Crown is fatter with different knurling and crown tube is longer and very noticeable. There is no crown “socket” in the case under the crown. Chrono pushers are longer and completely wrong shaped, this is a very noticeable flaw. Inscriptions between lugs are wrongly laser engraved and less deep and ugly in comparison with the gen.
Caseback is wrongly engraved with O-series instead of Q-series and shows “Au750” instead of “Pt950” for the platinum material of the gen. Engravings have inaccurate fonts and not very nice quality
Of course Seagull movement is nice but completely inaccurate although has some inscription on bridges to match the gen. This is an obvious flaw but Seagull movement is nowadays the only and best option for this rep.
In the same way the material is a necessary inaccuracy of this watch since the gen is made of platinum and the weight of the rep will be smaller than gen.
Hence this is a nice rep made with some pretentions but the obvious flaws don’t allow a better evaluation than just a good rep nicely made, far from a First Class.

October 2014- Just a bit after above commented version, KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 518 correctly marked as Q-series and very nicely made too. Fitted with the same Venus movement Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania). This rep is very nicely made but has still important flaws in comparison with the gen.
Dial layout is good enough and inscriptions, printed markers are good enough, although PANEARI inscription is placed a bit higher. RADIOMIR and PANERAI fonts on dial are a bit narrower but accurate enough in practice. Subdials prints are accurate although have less recessed than previously commented version, but overall are better. Due to the Seagull layout crown, chrono pushers and subdials have a little different placements.
Hour and minute hands are way better than previously commented version but they are still inaccurate, mainly minute hand shorter and fatter. Lume is wider in both rep hands.
Central seconds blue chrono hand is also better than previously commented version, but the center of the hand is clearly smaller in rep (gen has a big center part).
The little hands on subdials are completely different on the rep with an arrow completely wrong. They were clearly better in previously commented version. This is a noticeable and serious flaw of KW-V6Fac version.
Lume of dots & needles markers are accurate in shape but are not as raised and spherical than gen and the colour is not completely accurate.
Crystal is wrong sapphire instead of Plexi but it is good and correctly domed. This crystal is way better than mineral crystal of the rep above commented.
Case has accurate cushion shape. Crown is accurate with nicely made crown “socket” in the case under the crown. Chrono pushers are not perfect but much more accurate than above version. Inscriptions between lugs are well made and accurate enough.
Caseback is correctly and nicely engraved Q-series and “Pt950” for the platinum material of the gen.
Of course Seagull movement is nice but completely inaccurate although has some inscription on bridges to match the gen. This is an obvious flaw but Seagull movement is nowadays the only and best option for this rep.
In the same way the material is a necessary inaccuracy of this watch since the gen is made of platinum and the weight of the rep will be smaller than gen.
Hence this is a very nice rep, extremely well finished, made with a lot of pretentions but it has still obvious flaws even on dial. I was initially tempted to give it a a First Class evaluation, and the quality of the manufacture deserves it, but after seeing the flaws in the main hands, the center of the big seconds hand, the flaws in the subdial hands, the necessarily inaccurate movement and material, this rep cannot get such a status. We would say it is a very Good watch and a good rep nicely made bordering a First Class rep status. It is a pity because the watch is extremely well made and the finish is awesome. Of course much better than previously commented version.

More info of both versions here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=198771&p=2004342#post-2004342 by Ruski91
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=198803 by Luke Warm
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=240764&page=2 by Puretime
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=199388by vader1

PAM 518
REPLICA links:
http://www.kuvarsit-watch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32346 KW-V6Fac version
http://pure-time.com/product/pam518-q-v6f-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-manual-winding-chrono-movement/ KW-V6Fac version
http://pure-time.com/product/pam518-o-on-brown-leather-strap-asian-manual-winding-chronograph-movement/ Wrongly O-series version
http://www.tswatchltd.com/15914-pa15914-pam520-q-v6f-white-dial-ss-lt-1-1-best-asian-lemania.html KW-V6Fac version
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1230 Wrongly O-series version
http://www.asian7750.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3324 KW-V6Fac version
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1620 Wrongly O-series version
http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=12531 KW-V6Fac version
http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=12493 Wrongly O-series version
http://www.pf-818.com/pn518q01-radiomir-1940-ssle-white-venus-p-16374.html KW-V6Fac version
http://www.pf-818.com/pn51801-radiomir-1940-chrono-ssle-white-os20-quartz-p-15832.html Quartz Low grade version
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_356.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2014/623-radiomir-1940-chronograph-platino-pam00518
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-on-with-the-three-minerva-powered-panerai-chronographs-from-sihh-2014-pam-518-519-520
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-6404543/ti-928173/t-officine-panerai-panerai-sihh-2014-pam-518-519-520-the-epitome-of-panerai-chronographs/
http://www.luxify.de/hands-on-officine-panerai-radiomir-1940-chronograph-45mm/
http://thewatchlounge.com/panerai-pam-518-radiomir-1940-chronograph-platino-vintage-done-right/
http://www.watchalyzer.com/magazine/news-events/panerai-radiomir-1940-chronographs-watches/
http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle.com/home/sihh-2014-officine-panerai-radiomir-1940-chronograph-platino-limited-edition-of-50-pieces-live-pictures-and-pricing
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&th=2009381&rid=0
***

EVALUATIONS:
GOOD REP nicely made (Reps wrongly marked O-series w/ Venus ST-19)
GOOD REP nicely made bordering First Class rep status (KW-V6Fac Q-series w/Venus ST-19)

Officine Panerai presented in the SIHH 2014 three, we could say, “retro-chronographs”. They were some of the most interesting releases of this SIHH.
They are incredibly nice, cool and expensive. These new watches were Unique Limited Edition watches, with a Radiomir 1940 45mmm case made of expensive precious metal, display caseback with sapphire crystal and non protected crown. On all three versions, a sub-seconds dial sits at 9 o’clock with a minutes totalizer at 3 o’clock. The sub-dials are well proportioned with respect to the vintage style tachymeter scale that circles the edge. As a departure from contemporary models that use sapphire crystal, the new model uses a plexiglass crystal, referencing the poly crystal used on the original Radiomir made for the Royal Italian Navy.
Panerai recalls its historical ties using the historical and absolutely stunning manual chronograph movement OP XXV based on Minerva caliber 13-22 movement. It is one of the most beautifully finished Panerai movements we can find. This hand-wound movement features a column wheel chronograph with horizontal coupling and a swan neck regulator. As above commented it is built on a Minerva 13-22 base, paying tribute to the historical links between the Swiss movement manufacturer and Panerai, which started in the 1920s. The movement has a low frequency of 18,000 vibrations per hour and provides about 55 hours of power-reserve.
Three models have a retro-feeling complex dial combining three different styles: dots& needles with raised lume material, California style and sandwich tyoe dial, all them with stylized hands. These retro dials combined with the cushion shape of the case complete the 1940s aesthetic.
Instead of simply changing the case metal, there are design differences among all three models, creating a distinct identity for each limited edition piece.
PAM 518- Platino (platinum) version. Unique Limited Edition of 50 units. Ivory dial and luminous dot & needles hour markers result in a more vintage design. A blue center seconds hand and matching minute-register hand add a subtle hint of colour to an otherwise tonal dial. The watch has light brown alligator strap with plished white gold buckle.
PAM 519- Oro Rosso (red gold). Unique Limited Edition of 100 units. This version features a chocolate-brown California dial with an unusual mix of both Arabic and Roman luminous numeral hour markers. The tachymeter scale on the outer rim, the minute-seconds track and the two subdials are railway style contributing to the vintage look of this cool looking watch.
With matching brown alligator strap with contrast stitching lends a more casual feel to this one.
PAM 520- Oro Bianco (white gold). Unique Limited Edition of 100 units. There’s clean contrast among the polished white gold case, deep black dial, and sand-colored dial markers. The dial is a sandwich type dial, with its two-layer structure. Like on PAM 519, the tachymeter scale on the outer rim, the minute-seconds track and the two subdials are railway style contributing to the vintage look of this cool looking watch. With matching black alligator strap with contrast stitching.
GEN PAM 521 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Hand-wound mechanical, exclusive Panerai OP XXV calibre, 12¾ lignes, 22 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 18,000 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Swan’s neck regulator. Power reserve 55 hours. Côtes de Genève decoration on the bridges.
FINCTIONS- Hours, Minutes, Small Seconds, Chronograph with two counters
CASE- Diameter 45 mm, 18 ct. Polished Red Gold
BEZEL- Polished Red Gold
BACK- See - through sapphire crystal
DIAL- Brown with luminous Arabic and Roman numerals and hour markers. Minute counter at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock, central chronograph hand. Tachymeter scale on the edge of the dial.
WATER RESISTANCE- 5 bar (~50 metres)
STRAP- Alligator, Dark brown, Ecru/ MM Standard


-Reps wrongly marked O-series w/ Venus ST-19
October 2014- It was release a rep PAM 519 wrongly marked O-series, since the PAM 519 was released in 2014 and therefore it is Q-series. Fitted with a Venus movement Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania).
This rep is nicely made but has a lot of flaws in comparison with the gen.
Dial layout is not extremely bad, leaving aside “X” and “II” markers which are placed really lower, inscriptions are good enough for the quality of the rep, with obvious differences in PANERAI fonts. Railway contour markers are clearly whiter and thicker, numeral markers have inaccurate positions and fonts. Subdials prints are clearly whiter, thicker and inaccurate, mainly the chrono minute counter @3 which shows a completely different railway track, but they are nicely recessed on dial surface like gen. Dial sausage is also inaccurate and California markers are overall thinner, mainly the “8” marker . Due to the Seagull layout crown, chrono pushers and subdials have a little different placements.
Inscriptions and sandwich markers lume have inaccurate colour lighter and whiter than the nice ecru of the gen. In this way the rep loses a bit the retro character of the gen.
Dial has noticeable inaccurate hands shape and the hands lume is clearly wider, minute hand is especially bad. Big second chrono hand is shorter and fatter whereas, curiously, little hands on subdials are better, but still inaccurate, than below KW-V6Fac version of the watch.
Crystal is wrong mineral instead of Plexi but it is almost correctly domed. Just to say that rep mineral crystal deforms a bit the contour of the dial.
Case has inaccurate cushion shape, less “squared” than gen. Crown is fatter with different knurling and crown tube is longer and very noticeable. There is no crown “socket” in the case under the crown. Chrono pushers are longer and completely wrong shaped, this is a very noticeable flaw. Inscriptions between lugs are wrongly laser engraved and less deep and ugly in comparison with the gen.
Caseback is wrongly engraved with O-series instead of Q-series and shows correct “Au750” but it also shows a wrongly PLATINUM inscription. Engravings have inaccurate fonts and not very nice quality
Of course Seagull movement is nice but completely inaccurate although has some inscription on bridges to match the gen. This is an obvious flaw but Seagull movement is nowadays the only and best option for this rep.
In the same way the material is a necessary inaccuracy of this watch since the gen is made of Red Gold and the weight of the rep will be smaller than gen.
Hence this is a nice rep made with some pretentions but the obvious flaws don’t allow a better evaluation than just a good rep nicely made, far from a First Class.


-KW-V6Fac Q-series w/Venus ST-19
January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 519 correctly marked as Q-series and very nicely made too. Fitted with a Venus movement Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania). This rep is very nicely made but has still important flaws in comparison with the gen.
Dial layout is good enough and inscriptions, printed markers are also good enough. RADIOMIR and PANERAI fonts on dial are a bit narrower but accurate enough in practice. Subdials prints are accurate, with correct fonts and railway tracks and have correct recessed surface. Sausage dial has quite accurate lume application but grainy (potato-like texture) and really sloppy in relation to gen. Due to the Seagull layout crown, chrono pushers and subdials have a little different placements.
Hour and minute hands are way better than previously commented version but they are still inaccurate, mainly minute hand shorter and fatter. Lume is wider in both rep hands.
Central seconds chrono hand is also better than previously commented version, but the center of the hand is clearly smaller in rep (gen has a big center part). Since this hand in PAM 519 is golden instead of blue, this flaw is clearly less noticeable
The little hands on subdials are completely different on the rep with an arrow completely wrong. They were clearly better in previously commented version. This is a noticeable and serious flaw of KW-V6Fac version.
Sausage California markers have accurate shape and colour, shape and colour of inscriptions are more accurate than previously commented version.
Crystal is wrong sapphire instead of Plexi but it is good and correctly domed. This crystal is way better than mineral crystal of the rep above commented.
Case has accurate cushion shape. Crown is accurate with nicely made crown “socket” in the case under the crown. Chrono pushers are not perfect but much more accurate than above version. Inscriptions between lugs are well made and accurate enough.
Caseback is correctly and nicely engraved Q-series and “Au750” for the gold material of the gen.
Of course Seagull movement is nice but completely inaccurate, although has some inscription on bridges to match the gen and even a Swan neck device. Besides this rep has some gold plated bridges, which made, if possible, more inaccurate this movement, really ugly IMO. This is an obvious flaw but Seagull movement is nowadays the only and best option for this rep.
In the same way the material is a necessary inaccuracy of this watch since the gen is made of Red Gold and the weight of the rep will be smaller than gen.
Hence this is a very nice rep, extremely well finished, made with a lot of pretentions but it has still obvious flaws even on dial. I was initially tempted to give it a a First Class evaluation, and the quality of the manufacture deserves it, but after seeing the flaws in the main hands, the center of the big seconds hand, the flaws in the subdial hands and PLATINUM engraving on caseback, the necessarily inaccurate movement and material, this rep cannot get such a status. We would say it is a very Good watch and a good rep nicely made bordering a First Class rep status. It is a pity because the watch is extremely well made and the finish is awesome. Of course much better than previously commented version.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=206381 by vader1
Very nice pictorial from Gazzla
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=97683 by Gazzla


PAM 519
REPLICA links:
-Reps wrongly marked O-series w/ Venus ST-19
http://www.ts-station.co/16114-pa16114-pam519-chrono-black-rg-lt-lemania-hand-wind.html
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1685

-KW-V6Fac Q-series w/Venus ST-19
http://www.kuvarsit.watch/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32566
http://puretime.watch/product/pam519-q-v6f-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-manual-winding-chrono-movement/
http://www.ts-station.co/16220-pa16220-pam519-v6-black-dial-rg-lt-lemania-hand-wind-movement.html
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1873

GEN links:
http://www.panerai.com/en/search.html?search=519&case=0&movement=0&function=0&casediameter=0&material=0&color=0&setTop=setTopSearch
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/hands-on-with-the-three-minerva-powered-panerai-chronographs-from-sihh-2014-pam-518-519-520
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/sihh/panerai-radiomir-1940-chronographs-pam-519-and-pam-520/
http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle.com/home/sihh-2014-officine-panerai-radiomir-1940-chronograph-oro-rosso-with-california-dial-live-pictures-and-pricing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zuYaHcodj8
http://www.watchprosite.com/?page=wf.forumpost&fi=717&ti=928173&pi=6404543
http://www.watchalyzer.com/magazine/news-events/panerai-radiomir-1940-chronographs-watches/
12-5

EVALUATION: LOW GRADE REP (QUARTZ versions)
EVALUATION: Just a good rep nicely made (Wrongly O-series version)
EVALUATION: Good rep nicely made bordering First Class rep status (KW-V6Fac version)
Officine Panerai presented in the SIHH 2014 three, we could say, “retro-chronographs”. They were some of the most interesting releases of this SIHH.
They are incredibly nice, cool and expensive. These new watches were Unique Limited Edition watches, with a Radiomir 1940 45mmm case made of expensive precious metal, display caseback with sapphire crystal and non protected crown. On all three versions, a sub-seconds dial sits at 9 o’clock with a minutes totalizer at 3 o’clock. The sub-dials are well proportioned with respect to the vintage style tachymeter scale that circles the edge. As a departure from contemporary models that use sapphire crystal, the new model uses a plexiglass crystal, referencing the poly crystal used on the original Radiomir made for the Royal Italian Navy.
Panerai recalls its historical ties using the historical and absolutely stunning manual chronograph movement OP XXV based on Minerva caliber 13-22 movement. It is one of the most beautifully finished Panerai movements we can find. This hand-wound movement features a column wheel chronograph with horizontal coupling and a swan neck regulator. As above commented it is built on a Minerva 13-22 base, paying tribute to the historical links between the Swiss movement manufacturer and Panerai, which started in the 1920s. The movement has a low frequency of 18,000 vibrations per hour and provides about 55 hours of power-reserve.
Three models have a retro-feeling complex dial combining three different styles: dots& needles with raised lume material, California style and sandwich tyoe dial, all them with stylized hands. These retro dials combined with the cushion shape of the case complete the 1940s aesthetic.
Instead of simply changing the case metal, there are design differences among all three models, creating a distinct identity for each limited edition piece.
PAM 518- Platino (platinum) version. Unique Limited Edition of 50 units. Ivory dial and luminous dot & needles hour markers result in a more vintage design. A blue center seconds hand and matching minute-register hand add a subtle hint of colour to an otherwise tonal dial. The watch has light brown alligator strap with plished white gold buckle.
PAM 519- Oro Rosso (red gold). Unique Limited Edition of 100 units. This version features a chocolate-brown California dial with an unusual mix of both Arabic and Roman luminous numeral hour markers. The tachymeter scale on the outer rim, the minute-seconds track and the two subdials are railway style contributing to the vintage look of this cool looking watch.
With matching brown alligator strap with contrast stitching lends a more casual feel to this one.
PAM 520- Oro Bianco (white gold). Unique Limited Edition of 100 units. There’s clean contrast among the polished white gold case, deep black dial, and sand-colored dial markers. The dial is a sandwich type dial, with its two-layer structure. Like on PAM 519, the tachymeter scale on the outer rim, the minute-seconds track and the two subdials are railway style contributing to the vintage look of this cool looking watch. With matching black alligator strap with contrast stitching.

GEN PAM 520 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Hand-wound mechanical, exclusive Panerai OP XXV calibre, 12¾ lignes, 22 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 18,000 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Swan’s neck regulator. Power reserve 55 hours. Côtes de Genève decoration on the bridges.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds, chronograph with two counters, tachymeter scale.
CASE- Diameter 45 mm, 18 ct. polished white gold. Screw-down winding crown personalised OP. Polished white gold buttons for the chronograph functions at 2 and 4 o’clock.
BEZEL- 18 ct. polished white gold.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DIAL- Black with luminous dots and hour markers. Minute counter at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock, central chronograph hand. Tachymeter scale on the edge of the dial.
CRYSTAL- Plexiglas®, 2.8 mm thick.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 5 bar (~ 50 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised alligator strap and 18 ct. polished white gold adjustable buckle.

June 2014- It was released a rep PAM 520 (together with a PAM 518) fitted with very inaccurate Quartz movement and wrong case Luminor 1950 type. It is no worth to study more deeply this rep because it has not interest for advised fans.
Of course a Low grade rep and not advisable purchase.

October 2014- It was release a rep PAM 520 wrongly marked O-series, since the PAM 520 was released in 2014 and therefore it is Q-series. Fitted with a Venus movement Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania).
This rep is nicely made but has a lot of flaws in comparison with the gen.
Dial layout is not extremely bad and inscriptions are good enough for the quality of the rep, with obvious differences in PANERAI fonts. Railway contour markers are good enough but minute numeral markers have inaccurate positions and fonts. Subdials prints are clearly bigger and inaccurate, mainly the chrono minute counter @3 which shows a completely different railway track, but they are nicely recessed on dial surface very gen-like. Sandwich dial is accurate enough and has correct deep cutouts. Due to the Seagull layout crown, chrono pushers and subdials have a little different placements.
Inscriptions and sandwich markers lume have inaccurate colour lighter and whiter than the nice ecru of the gen. In this way the rep loses a but the retro character of the gen.
Dial has noticeable inaccurate hands shape and the hands lume is clearly wider, minute hand is especially bad. Big second chrono hand is shorter and fatter whereas, curiously, little hands on subdials are better than below KW-V6Fac version of the watch.
Crystal is wrong mineral instead of Plexi but it is almost correctly domed. Just to say that rep mineral crystal deforms a bit the contour of the dial.
Case has inaccurate cushion shape, less “squared” than gen. Crown is fatter with different knurling and crown tube is longer and very noticeable. There is no crown “socket” in the case under the crown. Chrono pushers are longer and completely wrong shaped, this is a very noticeable flaw. Inscriptions between lugs are wrongly laser engraved and less deep and ugly in comparison with the gen.
Caseback is wrongly engraved with O-series instead of Q-series and shows correct “Au750” but it also shows a wrongly PLATINUM inscription. It actually is using the same caseback as PAM 518. Engravings have inaccurate fonts and not very nice quality
Of course Seagull movement is nice but completely inaccurate although has some inscription on bridges to match the gen. This is an obvious flaw but Seagull movement is nowadays the only and best option for this rep.
In the same way the material is a necessary inaccuracy of this watch since the gen is made of platinum and the weight of the rep will be smaller than gen.
Hence this is a nice rep made with some pretentions but the obvious flaws don’t allow a better evaluation than just a good rep nicely made, far from a First Class.

October 2014- Just a bit after above commented version, KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 520 correctly marked as Q-series and very nicely made too. Fitted with the same Venus movement Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania). This rep is very nicely made but has still important flaws in comparison with the gen.
Dial layout is good enough and inscriptions, printed markers are good enough, although PANEARI and RADIOMIR inscriptions are placed a bit higher. RADIOMIR and PANERAI fonts on dial are a bit narrower but accurate enough in practice. Subdials prints are accurate, with correct fonts and railway tracks and have correct recessed surface. Sandwich dial is accurate enough and has correct deep cutouts. Due to the Seagull layout crown, chrono pushers and subdials have a little different placements.
Hour and minute hands are way better than previously commented version but they are still inaccurate, mainly minute hand shorter and fatter. Lume is wider in both rep hands.
Central seconds chrono hand is also better than previously commented version, but the center of the hand is clearly smaller in rep (gen has a big center part). Since this hand in PAM 520 is golden instead of blue, this flaw is clearly less noticeable
The little hands on subdials are completely different on the rep with an arrow completely wrong. They were clearly better in previously commented version. This is a noticeable and serious flaw of KW-V6Fac version.
Dots & needles sandwich markers lume colour and shape and colour of inscriptions are more accurate than previously commented version, but inscriptions are a bit lighter and whiter than sandwich markers whereas gen has an uniform ecru colour in markers and dial prints. In this way the rep loses a bit of retro character.
Crystal is wrong sapphire instead of Plexi but it is good and correctly domed. This crystal is way better than mineral crystal of the rep above commented.
Case has accurate cushion shape. Crown is accurate with nicely made crown “socket” in the case under the crown. Chrono pushers are not perfect but much more accurate than above version. Inscriptions between lugs are well made and accurate enough.
Caseback is correctly and nicely engraved Q-series and “Au750” for the white gold material of the gen, but it has wrongly engraved PLATINUM. Very noticeable flaw for a quality rep.
Of course Seagull movement is nice but completely inaccurate although has some inscription on bridges to match the gen. This is an obvious flaw but Seagull movement is nowadays the only and best option for this rep.
In the same way the material is a necessary inaccuracy of this watch since the gen is made of platinum and the weight of the rep will be smaller than gen.
Hence this is a very nice rep, extremely well finished, made with a lot of pretentions but it has still obvious flaws even on dial. I was initially tempted to give it a a First Class evaluation, and the quality of the manufacture deserves it, but after seeing the flaws in the main hands, the center of the big seconds hand, the flaws in the subdial hands and PLATINUM engraving on caseback, the necessarily inaccurate movement and material, this rep cannot get such a status. We would say it is a very Good watch and a good rep nicely made bordering a First Class rep status. It is a pity because the watch is extremely well made and the finish is awesome. Of course much better than previously commented version.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/219819-Beginning-to-worry-about-520-purchase-from-trusted-dealer by EBE

More info of both versions here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=198771&p=2004342#post-2004342 by Ruski91
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=240496 by mclee
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/209403-Few-shots-of-my-PAM-520 by bobcat

PAM 520
REPLICA links:
http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32345 KW-V6Fac version
http://puretime.watch/product/pam520-o-on-black-leather-strap-asian-manual-winding-chronograph-movement/ Wrongly O-series version
http://puretime.watch/product/pam520-q-v6f-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-manual-winding-chrono-movement/ KW-V6Fac version
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+520&product_id=1231 Wrongly O-series version
http://intime.co/panerai/1872-pam520-q-v6f-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-manual-winding-chrono-movement.html KW-V6Fac version
http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1621 Wrongly O-series version
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=12540 KW-V6Fac version
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=12494 Wrongly O-series version
http://www.pf-818.com/pn520q01-radiomir-1940-ssle-black-venus-p-16384.html KW-V6Fac version
http://www.pf-818.com/pn52001-radiomir-1940-chrono-ssle-black-os20-quartz-p-15833.html Quartz Low grade version
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_358.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2014/633-pam00520
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&th=2009381&rid=0
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-on-with-the-three-minerva-powered-panerai-chronographs-from-sihh-2014-pam-518-519-520
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-6404543/ti-928173/t-officine-panerai-panerai-sihh-2014-pam-518-519-520-the-epitome-of-panerai-chronographs/
http://www.luxify.de/hands-on-officine-panerai-radiomir-1940-chronograph-45mm/
http://thewatchlounge.com/panerai-pam-518-radiomir-1940-chronograph-platino-vintage-done-right/
8-5

EVALUATION: Nice watch but LOW GRADE REPLICA
The PAM 521 is an impressive luxury Radiomir 47mm made of Platinum.
In 2013 the price of Pam 521 platinum was about 100.000 $, there is an “economical” version made of Red Gold called PAM 522 for a price of 69.000$.
Both are Panerai 2013 P-series Special Editions limited to 100 pcs each.
These models are inspired by a rare example of the Radiomir dating from the late 1930s, carrying through many of the original details such as the 12-sided bezel, plexi crystal and more. You will also notice a nice contrast on the watch with the bezel being brushed and the case being polished. Another unique aspect of these watches is the crown, which is neither like the conical crown of classic Radiomirs nor the cylindrical crown of the Radiomir 1940. Instead, Radiomir PAM521 features a spherical crown that maintains the original vintage aesthetic.
Till date, there are a lot of Panerai models classified rare by collectors. However, none of them can be compared to this new Radiomir PAM521, and this fact should be obvious at first glance.
Panerai’s past dalliances with the Italian navy influences much of its present. As above said these watches are a remake of an historical timepiece which the manufacture ultimately did not issue. The story goes that way back in the 1930s, Panerai had already been a regular supplier of instruments to the Italian navy, and the standard procedure had been that before any of its watches could be officially produced and used in wartime operations, they had to be prototyped first and submitted to the military authorities for field testing. All of these prototypes bore the inscription ‘OFFICINE PANERAI – BREVETTATO’ on a special 12-sided bezel (brevettato means patented in Italian and refers to the patented luminous substance called Radiomir which later gave this watch its name).
In this modern remake, the inscription encircles the sapphire window on the case back through which the exceptional movement, Calibre OP XXVII, can be admired, whereas the bezel is just brushed without engravings. Calibre OP XXVII is based on the Minerva calibre 16-17. This traditional manual winding movement operates on a screw balance instead of a sprung balance (preferred by Panerai’s modern movements) and is composed of nickel-silver bridges finished with Côtes de Genève decoration. Like PAM 372 these watches have engraved inscriptions RADIOMIR PANERAI on dial, and engravings in the case between the lugs. OP number @6 and PAM 0521 / 0522 @12.
GEN FEATURES:
MOVEMENT-Hand-wound mechanical, exclusive Panerai OP XXVII calibre, base Minerva 16-17, 16¾ lignes, 18 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 18,000 alternations/hour. KIF Parechoc® antishock device. Swan’s neck regulator. Power reserve 55 hours.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds.
CASE-Diameter 47 mm, polished platinum. Screw-down winding crown personalized OP.
BEZEL- Brushed platinum with polished edges.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DIAL-Brown with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. Seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Plexiglas®, 2.1 mm thick.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 5 bar (~ 50 metres).
STRAP-PANERAI personalised alligator strap and 18 ct. adjustable polished white gold buckle. Supplied with a second Plexiglas®.
I have seen and worn both watches in the last exhibition PANERAI in Madrid. They are really different, elegant and not at all pretentious. You will get impressed by the weight of Platinum PAM 521 and by the red colour of PAM 522, really nice for a Golden watch.

April 2014- A replica of PAM 521 is released by an unknown maker.
The rep is not obviously made of platinum but of SS polished, then its weight is far from gen.
This replica is made without pretensions or ambitions. I think it is made using some parts already available form other watches. Including the movement used that is an A6497 decorated like P.3000, with two false jewels in CAL P.3000 bridge, just like Cartel and Noob version of PAM 372. Therefore, the movement is a clear flaw, enhanced by the display caseback, because it is not at all similar to the gen Minerva based
The crown is just similar to spherical gen but not completely accurate.
Case is not bad but with less sharpness than gen.
Crystal is sapphire instead of Plexi like gen
12-sided Caseback and bezel are good enough, but sides are not as crisp as gen ones.
Double pencil hands are inaccurate in shape with inaccurate lume and CP is bigger than gen.
Inscription RADIOMIR PANERAI is painted instead of engraved like gen
Sandwich dial is not perfect but quite good without pretensions.
The rest of inscriptions is quite accurate
Some info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=178442 by mysterio

Therefore a nice watch but a low grade replica no more.

PAM 521
REPLICA links:
http://pure-time.com/product/radiomir-platino-pam521-p-on-black-leather-strap-p3000/
http://pure-time.com/product/radiomir-platino-pam521-p-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000/
GEN links:
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/watches/panerai-pam-521-radiomir-platino-and-pam-522-radiomir-oro-rosso-special-editions/
http://www.paneraicentral.com/2013/10/special-edition-panerai-pam521-patino-and-panerai-pam522-oro-rosso/
http://hypebeast.com/2013/10/panerai-pam-521-radiomir-platino-and-pam-522-radiomir-oro-rosso
http://www.watchwow.com/2013/10/37/take-sides-panerai-radiomir-pam521#.U06tflV_uuI
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1387748161/PAM521+and+PAM522+photo+essay
**

EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted) the best option from November 2014
(*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (ZFac Q-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9003-V2)
JUST A GOOD REP high level (SF O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted layout)
The gen PAM 531 was introduced in 2014 Q-series. It is a Luminor 1950 44mm with SS case, automatic with 3 days of Power reserve and GMT 24hrs. function. Case-set is the same as PAM 359 and sandwich dial type and lume colour reminds that watch, but GMT function and skeleton hands make PAM 531 dial more complex.
Following Panerai trend of changing old movements to new Manifattura movements, the PAM 531 is the first watch from Panerai to adopt a new fully developed in-house movement with GMT complication, the automatic calibre P.9003. This P.9003 movement replaces the old movements OPVIII used for PAM 088, 089, 237, 297. The P.9003 is a development of the P.9001 calibre, with which it has many useful functions and excellent features in common. The main innovation relates to the GMT function by means of an independent central GMT hand which makes one revolution of the dial in 24 hours. With a power reserve of three days that is achieved by two spring barrels connected in series, and with the rotor spinning in both directions, this new movement is very efficient. In terms of regulation, the hour hand —connected to the date— can be moved independently and in jumps of one hour, without interfering with the minute and seconds hands; equally, when setting the time the device which stops the balance and zeroes the seconds hand comes into operation, so that the time can be exactly set with accuracy.
Main hands are skeleton type. Please note that, curiously, PAM GMT 24 hrs (PAM 029-088-089-237-297…) usually have skeleton hand, whereas PAM GMT 12 hrs. (PAM 320-329-441-438…) usually have regular sword hands.
Aesthetically this watch is related to PAM 297, leaving aside the evident differences between regular Luminor case and Luminor 1950 and that new PAM 351 features a display caseback to show the nice P.9003 movement. Both dials have numerals at 6 and 12, date window @3, the outermost part of the dial carries the figures for reading the 24 hrs of the second time zone, central GMT hand with arrow, and skeleton hands.
There are the differences on dial as follows:
-Sandwich structure instead of sausage. Therefore with different numeral fonts
-Vintage-Ecru Superluminova lume instead of greenish
-Date window without cyclops
-Seconds subdial @9 less evident, flush with dial surface
-Automatic inscription is missing
-Longer and more elegant arrow in GMT hand
PAM 351 is overall an aesthetical improvement over the PAM 297 helped for the nice display caseback showing the Manifattura P.9003.
It is delivered with a black leather strap with ecru contrast stitching. This new watch is supplied with a spare rubber strap, a steel screwdriver and the tool for replacing the strap, an operation that is simply carried
GEN PAM 351 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Automatic mechanical, Panerai P.9003 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 233 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds, date, second time zone, seconds reset, power reserve indicator on the back.
CASE- Diameter 44 mm, AISI 316L polished steel.
BEZEL- Polished steel.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (protected as trademark) Brushed steel.
DIAL- Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. 24h indication on the edge. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, formed of corundum, 2.6 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~ 300 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal brushed steel buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap, a tool for changing the strap and a steel screwdriver.


-KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted
August 2014- KW-V6F releases a PAM 531 Q-series (first catalogue announcements and maybe a little batch was wrongly marked P-Series, since gen is from 2014 Q-series) fitted with a decorated like P.9003 inverted layout movement A7750 based, and fitted with a false Power Reserve indicator on the bridges. This movement has inverted layout and the Balance wheel is placed @11 whereas gen is placed @7. Fortunately gen has 24 hrs. GMT function, in this way reps can be accurate.
You can see below a little review of this watch in comparison with the other versions ZFac and SF.


-ZFac Q-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9003-V2
September 2014- Zfac releases a PAM 531 Q-series. This version presents a very new feature because it is fitted with a new decorated movement also with false power reserve indicator, called ZP9003-V2, still based in A7750 (therefore with balance wheel still @11 instead of @7) but with non inverted layout due to a technical trick. Maker has reduced the Balance cock to a simple bar making it almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout similar to the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. Regarding inscriptions accuracy of position it is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before but with correct orientation, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version. Due to the characteristics of A7750 the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole” is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement almost as inaccurate as previous versions.
We have to say that the new ZP9003-V2 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous versions either from ZFac or KW. Then, at least, this is a nice improvement. Overall finish is worse tha in KW version.
Fortunately gen has 24 hrs. GMT function, in this way reps can be accurate.
We would need to know in the future if the weakening of the real balance cock, being reduced to a bar, will affect the correct working of the movement, since this bridge is the main support of the balance wheel. So, this matter remains pending future evaluations.
You can see below a little review of this watch in comparison with the other versions KW and SF.


-SF O-series w/decorated A7750 Inverted layout
October 2014- SF released a rep of PAM 531 wrongly marked O-series (because gen started in Q-series) fitted with a new movement A7750 decorated P.9003 with PR indicator and obviously balance wheel @11 instead of @7 like gen. This movement has inverted layout but curiously the inscriptions, power reserve indicator and false jewels are placed trying the same way as the gen, but, therefore, in completely different position in relation to the bridges, since the overall layout is inverted. I think this is another way to confront the matter, and sometimes it seems weird in this movement. The inscriptions are not sharp, are a bit bolder and the colour is a blue ligther than gen. The shape of decoration bridges leaves a “hole” for the balance wheel bigger than KW and much bigger than ZFac, therefore closer to gen. Decoration bridge of the balance cock is more accurate than KW and much more than ZFac.The finish of this movement is not as good as KW. Fortunately gen has 24 hrs. GMT function, in this way reps can be accurate.
The flaw of O-series on this SF version is serious, because it is no possible to have a PAM 351 O-series since the gen was introduced in 2014 Q-series. This is an obvious and understandable flaw to tell the rep.

LITTLE COMPARISON REVIEW OF ABOVE REPS
Below a little review of above reps comparing the three versions KW, ZFac and SF.
CASE and BEZEL- I know the caseset of KW PAM 359 and it is almost perfect. ZFac is almost the same and I think SF is almost at the same level. In this regards three reps are very similar. I would lean toward KW since its PAM 359 is very known and with a consistent overall quality
CASEBACK- they are nice and very similar regarding quality and accuracy, but, as above commented, SF has wrongly marked O-series.
CROWN GUARD- ZFac CG has not enough chamfered corners (or they are non existent), SF has little chamfered corners and KW has chamfered corners almost like gen.
Inner V shape of the CG hollow is a less pronounced in ZFac whereas KW and SF are correct in this regard. REG. and T.M. inscriptions are very similar in all versions. Lever and fitting with CG are correct in the three watches but SF lever has less rounded lever tip. Roller pin is bigger in ZFac and SF and have worse finÃs. KW roller pin and support are more accurate.
DIAL- Dial layout is very good in all versions. Fonts are accurate but in ZFac little GMT printed markers are a bit closer to big markers. ZFac and KW have accurate inscriptions on dial but SF version has wrong fonts.
The main flaw of these dials are the seconds subdial @9. All reps have this subdial with shorter little stick painted markers. This is most likely due to PANERAI published all advertisement pics, and even the pics on website Catalogue, with short markers. Rep makers have copied the sudial from those advertisement pics, but the real watches have longer markers. The flaw is few noticeable, unless you know the issue, but it is important since it is a dial flaw. Read below post about this matter:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...e-right-one?p=2408642&viewfull=1#post-2408642 by Pamfanatic
Overall quality and surface are good enough in the three watches.
DW fonts are bolder in KW and a bit less in ZFac as happened in PAM 505 reps from both factories. SF is similar to KW. The best DW is clearly ZFac
LUME:
SF- has uniform lume markers-hands but colour is a bit lighter than gen and has no the vintage character
ZFac- the same as in PAM 382 has uneven colour of lume and hands are lighter than markers
KW- has correct vintage ecru colour and is the same for hands and markers
CANNON PINION:
KW CP- seems accurate, similar to gen and finish has quality enough
ZFac CP- is the typical ZFac with polished center and a raised rim contour of the minute hand around
SF CP- is the weird CP that we already know from Noob PAM 364. Similar to ZFac CP but having a weird recessed contour around the CP.
Therefore KW has the best approach to the gen CP
MOVEMENT:
Fortunately gen has GMT 24 hrs. and, therefore, reps can be accurate in this regard.
KW is fitted with the already know KW A 7750 P.9003 decorated with false PR indicator and inverted layout. Nice finish and a bit bolder inscriptions.
ZFac is the new A7750 decorated ZP9003-V2 with false PR indicator and non inverted layout with reduced balance cock (pending of seeing reliability). The false balance cock decoration is completely different to gen and the "hole" and bridge contour of the balance wheel are very different from gen. ZFac finish of decoration plates is also worse than KW.The only advantage of ZFac is the non inverted layout, but inaccuracy continues being evident.
SF is a new movement A7750 decorated P.9003 with PR indicator, with inverted layout but curiously, as above commented, the inscriptions, power reserve indicator and false jewels are placed trying the same way as the gen, but, therefore, in completely different position in relation to the bridges, since the overall layout is inverted. I think this is another way to confront the matter, and sometimes it seems weird in this movement. The inscriptions are not sharp, are a bit bolder and the colour is a blue lighter than gen. The shape of decoration bridges leaves a “hole” for the balance wheel bigger than KW and much bigger than ZFac, therefore closer to gen. Decoration bridge of the balance cock is more accurate than KW and much more than ZFac. The finish of this movement is not as good as KW.

Below are showed three movements in comparison with the gen with the movements in the same alignment (see the crowns).

GEN P.9003 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED KW-V6F, SF and ZFac ZP9003-V2
(WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION, see the crowns position in the same position)

Below pic shows the rep movements rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel

GEN P.9003 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED KW-V6F, SF and ZFac ZP9003-V2
(WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING WITH GEN, see the crowns in different position)

All three movements have the balance wheel placed @11 instead @7 like gen. SF could be a good option if it had better inscriptions and colour and a bit better finish, it has nice balance cock decoration and a very decent “hole” for the balance wheel, anyway inverted layout is a problem. KW is correct and already known, it has also nice balance cock decoration and also a good “hole”, his inverted layout is still a problem. ZFac has only the advantage of non inverted layout and very nice inscriptions, but the “hole” for the balance wheel is really small and inaccurate, the same as the shape of the balance cock decoration. Finish is worse than KW. If Zfac working is good and ZFac improves the finish, in the future could be considered a good option too. Therefore three versions have pros and cons and we cannot decide about the best one. It is a taste matter
To summarize, overall KW is the best version on November 2014 close to ZFac version and a little detached the SF version. KW and ZFac versions have so good quality of construction that, despite the subdial @9 flaw, they can get a First Class evaluation.
KW-V6F: First Class rep good level and the best option from August 2014
ZFac: First Class rep good level a bit less quality than KW-V6F
SF: Just a good high level rep.

More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192675 by ernien
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=236752 by jonnyknox
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=85163&pid=1394659&st=0&#entry1394659 by Teddyfigo
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=238315 by tk471
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=86683&pid=1431182&st=0&#entry1431182 by Twinster

PAM 531
REPLICA links:
-KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated P.9003 A7750 Inverted layout
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32339
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam531-q-v6f-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-p9003/
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3279
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1144
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2024-pam531-q-v6f-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-p9003.html
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12300
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn531p01-531p-days-p9003-p-16091.html

-ZFac Q-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted ZP9003-V2
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam531-q-zf-best-edition-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-zp9003/ (*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1551

-SF O-series w/decorated P.9003 A7750 Inverted layout
http://puretime.watch/product/pam531-o-sf-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-p9003/
GEN links:
http://www.paneraicentral.com/2014/05/panerai-pam531-luminor-1950-3-days-gmt-24h/
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor-1950/661-luminor-1950-3-days-gmt-24hautomatic-acciaio-pam00531
http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle.com/home/news-presenting-the-new-officine-panerai-luminor-1950-3-days-gmt-24h-pam-531-first-panerai-in-house-movement-with-a-complication
http://news.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-112/pi-6408518/ti-928708/s-0/t-news-central-panerai-pam531-luminor-1950-3-days-gmt-24h-with-automatic-p9003-calibre/
http://wristwatched.com/index.php/2014/05/new-info-panerai-pam531-luminor-1950-3-days-gmt-24h/
http://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-531-q-luminor-1950-3-days-gmt-24-h-44mm-stainless-steel-dirty-brown-dial-newest#.U_oUIsV_uXE
8-5*

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (KW decorated P.3000)
PAM 532 is a Unique Edition of 500 pcs. year 2013 released. It is made using the Stainless Steel Radiomir 1940 47mm case of PAM 514 but for this special watch the case is dark grey lead pencil DLC coated.
The official name is “PANERISTI FOREVER” and is engraved in big characters in the contour of the SS caseback. The name is because this watch is dedicated to Officine Panerai’s most loyal supporters
This is not the first time that Panerai makes a watch for its supporters, In 2010 Panerai made the PAM 360 “Paneristi” and maybe it will not be the last.
PAM 532 design can remember the PAM 360, due to the DLC coating, white inscriptions and coloured lume, but there actually are many differences.
PAM 360 is made with a conventional Luminor 44mmm case and PAM 532 is made with the thinner new Radiomir 1940 47mm case. PAM 360 is fitted with the typical Panerai Crown Guard whereas PAM 532 has a simple crown. Pam 532 has sandwich structure instead of sausage like PAM 360. PAM 532 markers have lume material clearly cream-orange coloured whereas the PAM 360 lume is more yellowish. PAM 532 caseback is just engraved without paint but PAM 360 caseback is engraved with inscriptions filled by black paint. Another interesting difference is that PAM 360 has a white OP logo on dial whereas PAM 532 comes with the well known human torpedo logo “PIG” embossed in the dial surface.
Obviously the movement is also different having PAM 532 a Panerai Manifattura P.3000 calibre with 3 days of power reserve.
GEN PAM 532 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 16½ lignes, 5.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 160 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds.
CASE- Diameter 47 mm, steel with special hard black coating. Screw-down winding crown personalised OP.
BEZEL- Steel with special hard black coating.
BACK- Screw, steel. “Paneristi Forever” engraved.
DIAL- Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. Seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, made from corundum, 1.8 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 10 bar (~ 100 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal matt steel buckle with special hard black coating.
There are some discussions about the colour of the PAM 532 lume, which seems ECRU in Paneari website and in some pics, but gen reviews made with the watch in the hands are indicating that PAM 532 lume is orange and even I have seen a pic showing the PAM 360 side by side with a PAM 532 where you can see that PAM 532 lume is not Ecru colour but a colour closer to PAM 360, but more orange.

July 2014- KW released a PAM 532 rep correctly made of SS DLC coated and nicely finished.
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=82456 (No direct link- copy paste this link in the browser)
This is a very nicely built rep but has still some flaws to be corrected
Nice review and pictorial from Kilowattore
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=194445 by kilowattore
Dial layout, markers, inscriptions and sandwich cutouts are accurate. Maybe the rep sandwich depth seems bigger but this is due to rep upper layer of the sandwich is a bit more detached from the lower layer of the dial giving the appearance of deeper cutouts. The PIG logo is the same as we can see in KW PAM Boutique, therefore good enough to be very difficult to see differences without a lens, it is sharp and well defined and with shape accurate enough. Maybe the surface of the rep has a bit less texture than gen but this is almost impossible to be seen without a loupe.
The main problem of the dial is the lume colour which is a bit orange in gen whereas rep colour is ecru without orange hue. This is a controversial matter as above mentioned, in above pic you can see PAM 532 lume have a colour even darker than PAM 360 lume and the orange hue is obvious. Besides many gen reviewers are talking about the orange colour of PAM 532 lume.
Case and bezel shape is accurate and you cannot see evident flaws. Just to say that lug bar holes are placed clearly inwards.
Another thing is the DLC colour and finish surface. Gen DLC is clearly pencil lead or gun metal and the case surface under the coating seems no grainy, almost polished. Rep colour is matt black and the case surface under coating is clearly sandblasted or beadblasted, even some times very evident (as commented by kilowattore in his review).
Crown shape is accurate with a bit inaccurate logo, but it is good enough. Gen has in the case under the Crown a notch with the exact crown shape. Gen crown completely screwed doesn’t touch the case and remains clearly detached form the case clearly showing the crown tube. This is a very polemic matter because the visible chromed crown tube is at least aesthetically arguable. Some people are saying that Panerai leaves the crown detached due to avoid damage DLC coating with the movements of the crown, but that cannot be the truth because Panerai makes the same with the Radiomirs 1940 with cases made of polished SS (PAM 512-514)
KW rep has also a notch in the case but the shape is less squared than gen, rep notch is more rounded and doesn’t copy exactly the shape of the crown. Rep crown completely screwed seems a bit less detached from the case than gen. But all those differences are few noticeable. Crown tube mainly when the crown is unscrewed has some evident differences. To clarify all above commented about Crown and crown tube read:
Review of the crown, crown tube and notch of the case in KW Pam 532 in comparison with Gen PAM 532 , PAM 512 from jamztio and Pam 514 from Vbmrk:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=235278 by ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=83053 by ALE
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=190017 by ALE
Crystal has a bevelled very close to gen but it is usually placed more raised than gen, wich usually remains flush with the bezel. As showed in kilowattore’s review the AR is not completely colourless with a bit of purple hue (few noticeable) but the AR effect is really low.
Hands are accurate with a bit wider lume as usually
CP is much bigger than gen. Noticeable flaw
Caseback seems accurate under a direct observation without references, fonts are accurate and engraving is nicely made and deep like gen. But in a detailed comparison you can see that some inscriptions are slight off-center and some misalignments. It is clear that contour inscriptions PANERISTI FOREVER are made in a separate process from the inner inscriptions, and there are misalignments and inconsistencies of the placement and alignments of both parts. As above said few noticeable, but to be corrected in the future.
Movement is a decorated A6497 like P.3000. It is the first decorated version of P.3000 already used by Puretime in the earlier PAM 372 and after by KW. The movement is obviously inaccurate and way worse than last clone versions but this is almost irrelevant with a closed caseback. Just we will get a lower Power reserve.
Obviosuly this rep is far from getting a Super rep status, although a closed caseback would allow this evaluation since the movement is not visible.
There are also many flaws: Colour and texture, Lume colour, crystal AR, crown tube and notch, bigger CP… to keep an evaluation of First Class rep. But KW PAM 532 is an important attempt and the watch is very well built and finished with a nice appearance. Due to this reason it can keep an evaluation of First Class rep bordering a lower status.
Nice review and pictorial from Kilowattore
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=194445 by kilowattore
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=189079&p=1905254#post-1905254 by Ruski91
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=234846by ATEspo
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=82989 by ATEspo

November 2014- From an unknown maker is released a new PAM 532 P-series rep. I doubt this rep is from ZFac as TSWatches says in its catalogue.
This version has a bit lighter, and then more accurate, DLC colour than KW version. Lume colour seems also a bit more accurate. And the CP seems a bit improved. But just here the improvements are stopping, because this version has a lot of serious flaws:
-Hands are bigger than gen and inaccurate
-Pig logo is made separately and then glued on the dial surface. It is really inaccurate, weird and ugly
-3 and 6 markes have wrong shape and 12 is clearly displaced to the left side.
-Caseback has hallow and wrong engravings
-STAINLESS STEEL- OP LOGO - FISH- OP and BB numbers on caseback are completely wrong: different fonts and designs (OP logo and fish are hilarious) and "dancing" E in FOREVER and wrong spaces
-PXXX/500 caseback engraving is completely displaced to the right side
- FOREVER engraving is bigger, it has “dancing” E (Polonus catch) and the spaces between characters are completely uneven.
-Wrong lug shape and lug holes placement
-Notch in the case to accommodate the crown gets outside the diameter of the crown (gen notch is smaller than crown)
This version is fitted with a conventional A6497. Since the caseback is closed, this is not decisive.
We can consider this rep just as a very decent good rep with no more pretentions
Read for more info:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=201544&p=2038590#post-2038590 by ernien

PAM 532
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsit-watch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32318 KW decorated P.3000
http://pure-time.com/product/pam532-p-radiomir-1940-3-days-paneristi-forever-black-dial-on-brown-asso-strap-a6497/ PAM 532 P-series from unknown maker
(*)http://puretime-asia.com/product/pam532-p-radiomir-1940-3-days-paneristi-forever-black-dial-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000/ KW decorated P.3000
http://www.tswatchltd.com/16116-pa16116-pam532-p-paneristi-forever-limited-edition-zf-blck-dial-ss-dlc-lt-a6497.html PAM 532 P-series from unknown maker
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15648-pa15648-pam532-p-radiomir-1940-3-days-dlc-lt-p3000.html KW decorated P.3000
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+532&product_id=1108 KW decorated P.3000
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=3278&ti= KW decorated P.3000
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1507 KW decorated P.3000
(*)http://www.trusty-wtach.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12227 KW decorated P.3000
http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12656 PAM 532 P-series from unknown maker
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn532p01-paneristi-forever-1940-p-15992.html KW decorated P.3000
GEN links:
http://9maiali.com/post-panerai-radiomir-1940-3-days-47mm-paneristi-forever-pam-532/
http://www.panerai.com/en/special-editions-collection/2013/590-radiomir-1940-3-dayspaneristi-forever-pam00532
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/watches/panerai-pam-532-paneristi-forever-watch
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=6680815&rid=12189#msg_6680815
http://hypebeast.com/2013/9/panerai-pam-532-paneristi-forever-watch
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/pam-532-radiomir-pvd-3-days-1940-case-paneristi-special-edition--id2643581.htm?id=2643581&picnum=7&tab=pics
http://www.ganzomag.com/radiomir-paneristi-forever-532-officine-panerai-watch.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/arieladams/2013/10/14/panerai-makes-another-watch-strictly-for-cult-fans/
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-panerai-pam-532-radiomir-1940-3-day-special-edition-complete-excellent-1026193.html
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EVALUATIONS:
GOOD REP ( KW-V6Fac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 Inverted )
GOOD REP Bordering First Class Status ( KW-V6Fac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 NON-Inverted Improved KP9001-V2.5 )
GOOD REP ( ZFac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 NON-Inverted Improved ZP9001-V2.5 )

The gen PAM 535 is a GMT Luminor 1950 42mm made of polished SS, released in 2014 Q-series, and fitted with a Panerai Manifattura movement P.9001 with 3days Power Reserve indicator in the movement bridges. You can see this movement trough a display sapphire caseback.
This watch was released together with the PAM 537, the main difference is that PAM 537 has the Power Reserve indicator placed on the dial surface about @4 hrs., because it is fitted with a P.9002 movement. There are also other little differences: PAM 535 has a chromed polished GMT hand whereas in PAM 537 is black, due to the PR indicator on dial of PAM 537 the word PANERAI is placed together with LUMINOR and GMT, that makes more balanced and elegant the PAM 535 dial, PAM 535 has black strap and PAM 537 has brown strap.
The main characteristic of these watches is the nice Paris Hobnail dial. This textured dial is also known as Clou de Paris or Nails of Paris. This ParisHobnail dial features a guilloché pattern of hollowed lines that intersect to form tiny pyramidal shapes inspired by the streets of Paris. This subtle detailing, a classic design element of fine Swiss watchmaking, handsomely enhances Panerais classic Super-Luminova Arabic numerals, hour markers, and subdials. Therefore these watches are the same as PAM 329 and 321 but with the Hobnail dial and without “9” marker, that absence od “9” allows a bigger seconds subdial and a more overall balanced dial.
GEN PAM 535 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Automatic mechanical, Panerai P.9001 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 29 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 229 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, Minutes, Small Seconds, Date, GMT, Power Reserve Indicator on the back, Seconds Reset
CASE- Diameter 42 mm, AISI 316L Polished Steel
BEZEL- Polished Steel
BACK- See - through sapphire crystal
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (Protected as a trademark) Brushed Steel
DIAL- Black with Paris hobnails, luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
WATER RESISTANCE- 10 bar (~100 metres)
STRAP- Calf Assolutamente, Black, Ecru/ MM Standard


-PAM 535 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 Inverted
January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep of PAM 535 Q-series fitted with a decorated movement like P.9001 based on A7750 with inverted layout and with false Power Reserve indicator.
Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole” is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-NINE (29) EWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9001 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

This is a nicely made rep but unfortunately maker has made a brushed case whereas gen is all polished.

**** See below (after the comments about ZFac version) the comparison of this KW-V6Fac version with ZFac and other KW-V6Fac version, with pros and cons ****

We can evaluate this rep as Very good rep bordering First Class status. Mainly bearing in mind the nice finish and appearance.
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/212509-Has-anyone-received-the-new-535-42mm-on-black-asso-strap by jphol402
Review:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/225306-*PCTeam*-Review-of-the-PAM-535-quot-Luminor-1950-3-Days-GMT-Automatic-%96-42MM-quot by mysterio


-PAM 535 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 NON-Inverted Improved KP9001-V2.5
May 2015- KW-V6Fac released the same rep above commented of PAM 535 Q-series, but now with corrected polished case and fitted with a decorated movement like P.9001 based on A7750 with NON-inverted layout, with false Power Reserve indicator and improved bridges decoration, changing the “jewel” near the false escapement wheel. In the first NON-inverted rep movement this “jewel” was introduced in a hollow machined in the plate (like is the gen P.9000), but gen P.9001 has not above commented hollow and the “jewel” is placed in the plate surface, this is the last improvement included in this decorated movement A7750 based (if you know this matter it is easily noticeable). We will call it KP9001-V2.5 NON-inverted Improved. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
However the false power reserve indicator is much more accurate and nicer in KW version.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, getting a great gen-like appearance. Besides this movement, as above commented, improves the decoration avoiding the hollow of the “jewel” near the false escapement wheel. With above mentioned features this KP9001-V2 Improved movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9001 on May 2015.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed movement KP9001-V2 Improved in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9001 - KW DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED IMPROVED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5.

This is another well made rep with awesome finish and appearance, now with correct polished case like gen. Unfortunately there are other important flaws.

**** See below (after the comments about ZFac version) the comparison of this KW-V6Fac version with ZFac and other KW-V6Fac version, with pros and cons ****

We can evaluate this rep just as good rep.
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/252416-First-rep-ordered-PAM-535-Q-Titanium-V6F-Best-Edition by Rspr
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/275018-First-pam-and-first-post-(pic-heavy) by squee


-PAM 535 ZFac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 NON-Inverted Improved ZP9001-V2.5
November 2015- ZFac released a rep of PAM 535 Q-series . This rep is fitted with a ZP9001-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9001 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. This movement has a lfalse Power reserve indicator. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW. Only the false Power reserve indicator is less accurate and worse than KW version.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole” almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9001-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9001 in 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9001 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.5
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9001-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9001 – ZFac DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED IMPROVED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.

This is a nicely made rep, not as nicely made as KW but good enough, but unfortunately maker has made a brushed case whereas gen is all polished.

**** See below the comparison of this rep with KW-V6Fac versions, with pros and cons ****

We can evaluate this rep just as good rep.


**** PAM 535 year 2015 reps - COMPARISON REVIEW ZFac vs. KW-V6Fac ****
We need just compare Zfac with the two versions of KW-V6Fac in a whole, since KW-V6Fac reps are the same just changing the movement, above reviewed, and the correct polished case for the last version from KW-V6Fac.
CASE
Mid case is inaccurate in both makers, the cushion shape is accurate enough but the lug shape and size is completely wrong. Both reps have fatter lugs and with the upper part very close to the cushion shape edge, whereas gen upper part of the lugs is really detached from the edge of the cushion shape. Overall shape is better in ZFac although it is completely wrong, and the position of the lug holes is better in KW-V6Fac but with the overall inaccuracy of the lugs that feature is irrelevant.
In below pics we can see the differences above commented.

PAM 535 LUG AND CASESET SHAPE – GEN - KW/V6Fac – ZFac COMPARISON

The distance between the upper part of the lugs and the cushion shape edge is really evident and can be seen in below pics indicated by the orange arrow

PAM 535 DISTANCE BETWEEN LUGS AND CUSHION SHAPE EDGE – GEN–REP COMPARISON

As previously commented, gen Mid case is made of polished SS. ZFac and first KW-V6Fac version have really inaccurate brushed case. Only the last NON-inverted movement version from KW-V6Fac has the correct polished case. The finish of this case is awesome and with strong gen-like appearance
BEZEL
In the same pics you can see that ZFac bezel is really higher and inaccurate, KW-V6Fac is not perfect but it is good enough.
CROWN GUARD
CG is good enough in both reps, just the angled shape of the central hollow is less pronounced in ZFac. REG. T.M. engravings are not very accurate but are good enough and the differences are not very noticeable. The chamfered corners are more marked and less consistent in relation to the small and nice chamfered of the gen. The lever has more sharp top edges on reps, and the pin of the roller is worse finished in both reps and bigger in ZFac. The CG pin has very rounded edges in both reps in comparison with a flatter gen pin.
DIAL
Layout of the dial is accurate enough in both reps. No noticeable flaws.
Markers are accurate leaving aside “6” marker which has a more closed inner horizontal stroke that arrives closer to the vertical stroke in both reps. Lume colour is accurate enough in both reps
Hobnail textured surface is nice and well made in both reps
Dial inscriptions are well placed, have accurate fonts, mainly in KW-V6Fac which are almost perfect. The colour is a bit brownish in gen and maybe the rep inscripotions are a bit more brownish in KW and a bit less brownish in ZFac. Both reps have nice glossy and raised inscriptions.
Gen seconds subdial @9 has a very evident raised contour and seems really recessed. Both reps have less evident contour (less sharp) and seemingly less recessed, although KW-V6Fac subdial is a bit better.
HANDS and CP
Rep hands are accurate and well finished. Nothing to be commented
KW-V6Fac has accurate and nicely polished CP with correct size
ZFac CP is the typical ZF CP with raised rim contour. I don’t like it
CRYSTAL
Reps have accurate AR colourless coated crystal although rep crystal is a bit more raised and with bigger bevelled than gen.
CASEBACK
Caseback is really thicker on reps, mainly on ZFac which clearly protrudes from the case, indeed the ZFac lies in the caseback instead of the bottom of the lugs. KW-V6Fac is also thicker but the difference is clearly smaller.
Caseback engravings are well placed enough and have accurate enough fonts, although are better in KW-V6Fac

CONCLUSIONS
The display caseback with Manifattura movements avoids the Super rep evaluation, but the obviously wrong mid case doesn’t even allow a First Class evaluation. The brushed case of two versions downgrades a lot the evaluation of the affected reps.
Despite above commented, these reps have nice finish and the look is overall very good. Polished KW-V6Fac version is indeed one of the best finished reps and has strong gen-like appearance, mainly if you don’t know the real flaws.
We can give an evaluation of very good rep bordering First Class status to KW-V6Fac with polished case and fitted with A7750 NON-inverted Improved. The other two version would be just good reps


PAM 535
REP links:
-PAM 535 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 Inverted
http://www.kuvarsit.watch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32574
http://puretime01.com/pam535-q-v6f-best-edition-paris-hobnails-dial-on-deep-brown-asso-strap-p9001.html#
http://www.tswatchltd.com/16244-pa16244-pam535-q-v6f-titanium-1-1-best-p9001.html
http://www.intime.co/panerai/1871-pam535-q-titanium-v6f-best-edition-paris-hobnails-dial-on-deep-brown-asso-strap-p9001.html
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12951

-PAM 535 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 NON-Inverted Improved KP9001-V2.5
http://www.toro888.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1885

-PAM 535 ZFac Q-series w/P.9001 decorated A7750 NON-Inverted Improved ZP9001-V2.5
http://puretime01.com/pam535-q-zf-best-edition-paris-hobnails-dial-on-gray-asso-strap-p9001-free-brown-asso-strap.html
http://puretime01.com/pam535-q-zf-best-edition-paris-hobnails-dial-on-brown-asso-strap-p9001-free-gray-asso-strap.html
http://www.toro888.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1834
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2401-pam535-q-zf-best-edition-paris-hobnails-dial-on-gary-asso-strap-p9001-free-brown-asso-strap.html

GEN links:
http://watch-test.com/2014/03/nuevos-panerai-gmt-clous-de-paris-pam-535-y-537/
http://www.bernardwatch.com/Panerai/Luminor-1950-42-GMT/PAN1099
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f75/new-pam-535-a-1367905.html
http://www.watchprosite.com/?page=wf.forumpost&fi=717&ti=947263&pi=6561453
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (SF version with Clone2 P.3000 mvmnt)
The PAM 557 is a Luminor 1950 (special new caseset like Pam 372) 3 days Destro version of PAM 372. It was introduced in SHII 2014 following the big success of PAM 372 introduced in 2011. Panerai doesn’t make the 557 in a limited edition. A watch, like the 372, for the true, authentic, passionate Panerai Fans.
This watch has exactly the same structure and movement as Pam 372 but in Destro layout. Therefore, it has a Polished SS very special New 1950 47mm case with Polished SS bezel, display caseback, Black sandwich dial with golden hands, no seconds sub-dial and no date. It has a Dome shape thick Plexi crystal. This watch is fitted with a P.3000 3 days P.R. movement.The hands have the so-called "double pencil" shape, i.e. both the tip of the hands and the part were the hands connect to the center pin are pointed. And the LUMINOR PANERAI inscription on dial is nicely engraved.
The shape of the new 1950 case is different in comparison to the regular 1950 case (have some Radiomir like inspiration) and the lugs are thinner than usual. The PAM 372 and 557, although labeled "1950" by Panerai, are inspired on the venerable 6154, aka Egizziano piccolo. The sides of the 372's case is sharply curved with a middle "edge", just like the 6154 (and to a lesser extent, the 6152). The 6152/1 has no such "edge" and is closer to "1950" cases. The only glaring difference is that the 6154 had no Crown Guard. A total of 30 6154s were made in 1954, all with the Rolex 618 caliber. These models featured a Plexi crystal, and due to that the PAM 372 and 557 are fitted with a Plexi too.
An interesting detail is that these watches have like the PAM 359 all polished 1950's style case, however all other watches with this type of 1950 case are brushed, usually in combination with a polished steel bezel. Examples are the PAM 233, 270, 127, 312, 320 and so on. The crown guard with its REG.TM. engraving however is brushed.
The new case of the PAM 557 has a new type number OP 6837 engraved between the lugs at the 6 o'clock position.
There are other different engravings for these watches: the depth rating (100 meters) is engraved in the underside of one of the lugs, the BB number is engraved in one of the other lugs, and the model number (PAM00557) is engraved between the lugs at the 12 o'clock position.
The reason for the introduction of Destro version lies in the history of Panerai, which more than 70 years ago produced examples designed for commandos who preferred to wear the watch on the right wrist, with the compass and depth gauge on the other wrist.
The biggest difference between PAM 557 and 372—besides the obvious crown positioning— is the vintage looking untreated natural calf strap fitted on the new Destro.
Just like on the PAM 372 the gen watch is supplied with a second interchangeable strap, a second plexiglas and a steel screwdriver.
This couple of watches makes us think about the Pam 127 / 217 duo, we used to call the Fiddy and the Destro, housing an ETA movement, and displaying a small second at 9 o clock, respectively born in 2002 and 2005.
PAM 557 is an old school Panerai, it has a lot of the Panerai DNA, the character, the sobriety, despite its big size, and the natural power of The Firenze Brand watches.
GEN PAM 557 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 16½ lignes, 5.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 160 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes.
CASE- Diameter 47 mm, AISI 316L polished steel.
BEZEL- Polished steel.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN-(protected as a trademark) Brushed steel.
DIAL-Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers.
CRYSTAL- Plexiglas®, 3 mm thick.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 10 bar (~ 100 metres).
STRAP-PANERAI personalised leather strap and large-size brushed steel buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap, second Plexiglas® and a steel screwdriver.

May 2014- Puretime with SF, most likely using the same base as rep PAM 372 with Clone P.3000 introduced in Dec 2013, released a rep PAM 557 wrongly marked O-series, since the PAM 557 started in 2014 Q-series.
This replica is fitted with an improved P.3000 Clone2 movement, closer to the gen, with all inscriptions on bridges corrected in fonts and placement. Last version Clone1 released in December 2013 for the PAM 372 Clone, had completely wrong fonts and position of above mentioned inscriptions.
Therefore new P.3000 Clone2 is closer to gen due to those improved inscriptions.
The Clone has two barrels and about 7 days of Power Reserve. It is a clone movement not 100% replicated and most likely based in another existent movement. Balance Wheel position is the same as gen and overall accuracy is quite acceptable. Much more than current decorated movements.
To illustrate accuracy and improvements of Clone2 in relation to the gen and Clone1, see below pic

COMPARISON OF P.3000 CLONE1 – GEN - CLONE2 – Note the improvement of inscriptions from Clone1 to Clone2 in relation to the Gen

As seen in PAM 372 there are still many things to improve in this Clone2 movement but it seems another new step in the right direction:
- Jewels and screws are not all placed in the same positions
- Screws are rounded instead of flat
- Gear train are no visible like in gen
- Bridges have some differences of shape
- Canon pinion is much smaller
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=225965 by josh_w
- Balance Wheel double bridge has not completely accurate shape
- The brushing of two decoration main movement bridges have a bit different alignment in Clone2 (it is few noticeable and it is hit and miss, most likely will disappear in next batches)
IMO it is another good step, but it is a pity to spend a lot of money and time making a good approach to a gen movement and to ruin the result with SILLY flaws
*****Fantastic and definitive Review of the "Clone1" movement by Rolexman:******************************************************
http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/166048-movement-review-pam-372-p3000-super-clone/
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=168936&p=1704599#post-1704599
Following Rolexman information, this is a new movement no based in other existent movements, with real two barrels, manufacture made carefully with good materials and likely made with some differences to avoid legal problems regarding patents. Different smaller CP would be just a sloppiness. As always many time and money spend to get finally SILLY flaws. But read the review because there are many interesting things to show this is a real step to the clone movement not a simple decoration.
Above mentioned review of Clone1 is completely valid for Clone2 since only changes the inscriptions on bridges.
Rep PAM 557 presents other little improvements in relation to its predecessor. Because has better lever tip shape with rounder inner edge (pam 372 had sharp inner edge of the tip) and it seems have better, deeper, sharper and cleaner engravings in the case between lugs @6 and @12
The rest of the watch presents the flaws as follows:
DIAL
-LUMINOR PANEARI engraving is thinner and less deep than gen. It has some inaccurate fonts. “E”font is very different. It is the same inscription as in PAM 372 Clone
-Markers are thinner in general. “3” has wider font.
-Overall layout is not bad but has some differences like “12” marked placed clearly to the right side
-L SWISS L colour is more white like in Puretime old version
CASEBACK
-Overal accurate but les crsip and depp engravings and wrong production number with “O-series” being the watch from 2014 “Q-series”
HANDS and CANNON PINION
-Hands are a bit wider and lume is wider too, mainly in minute hand
-Cannon Pinion is clearly smaller
CROWN GUARD
-T.M - REG. inscriptions in CG have wider fonts, less deep engraving and are relatively well placed
-Lever tip shape is already corrected, because last version had inner edge too sharp.
CASE
-Middle “edge” is not as shard and nicely defined as in gen case
-There are more little differences, but case shape is overall accurate and nicely finished
CRYSTAL is acceptable but with a little sharper bevelled and maybe a bit thicker
More info here
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=226480 by John220
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184388 by Ruski91
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=233613by brio.it

This rep PAM 557 is a watch very well manufactured and nicely finished and the appearance is very good despite its flaws. It is a bit better than PAM 372 Clone due to an improved movement Clone2 but the production number has the flaw of the wrong letter. In my opinion First Class rep bordering lower status.

PAM 557
REPLICA links:
(*)http://pure-time.com/search/?searchstring=PAM557&x=68&y=10 SF Version w/ Clone2 movmnt
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15531-pa15531-pam557-o-black-dial-ss-asso-strap-p3000-double-barrel.html SF Version w/ Clone2 movmnt.
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1444 SF Version w/ Clone2 movmnt.
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_364.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor/673-luminor-marina-8-days-acciaio-pam00590
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai-luminor-1950-pam557-destro-3-days-hands/
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/watches/sihh-2014-panerai-pam-557-luminor-1950-destro-3-days/
http://www.paneraicentral.com/2013/12/sihh-2014-panerai-pam557-luminor-1950-destro-3-days/
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/pre-sihh-2014-introducing-the-panerai-luminor-1950-destro-3-days-an-in-house-pam-for-lefties
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (KW decorated P.5000)
The gen PAM 560 Luminor Base 8 days power reserve was presented as Q-series in SIHH 2014. PAM 560 has black sandwich dial and SS case completely polished except CG which is brushed.
It is like the successor or the evolution of PAM 112 Luminor, has a similar 44mm Luminor case and similar sandwich dial, just similar because the case-set has some differences and numeral markers are different (fonts are a bit wider and with different shape).
It was presented in 2014 together with four more similar Panerais Luminor 8 days PR. And they were added at the couple of PAM 8 days introduced in 2013: PAM 510 and 511. The complete 2013-214 PAM 8 days series is as follows:
Black dials
PAM 560- Polished SS-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 112
PAM 510- Polished SS-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 111
Brown dials
PAM 511- Polished Red Gold-Luminor Base–Is like a PAM 510 but in Red Gold
PAM 562- Brushed Ti-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 176 but with Brown dial
PAM 564- Brushed Ti-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 177 but with Brown dial
White dials
PAM 561- Polished SS-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 114
PAM 563- Polished SS-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 113
It was also presented in 2014 a special watch 8 days but very different from all 8 days above mentioned: The PAM 590 a Luminor Marina (seconds @9) with solid caseback with pig engraved, black dial, sausage creamy lume and “8 Giorni Brevettato” historic circular vintage logo.
These new Luminor 8 days have a great difference in relation with their predecessors: They are fitted with a new totally “in-house” movement, called P.5000, with a power reserve of 8 days, instead of a Unitas-based movement 3 days like Pam 111 and similar Luminor Panerai watches. The movement is visible through the sapphire crystal of a nice display caseback.
This new manually wound movement is made completely in-house and has a power reserve of 8 days. This feature is an homage to the old Angelus-made 8-day watches. Even its size is reminiscent of the old movements, in a full 15.75 lignes (35.7mm) - the Angelus was a 16 ligne movement. The P.5000 has a structure similar to the old style movements, with most details hidden from the eye. All you can see on the P.5000 through the display caseback, besides the brush finished and diamond-polished plates, are the balance cock, the intermediate wheel, and a variable inertia balance wheel. P.5000 movement 8 days power reserve is obtained by connecting in series two barrels. This dual system allows the use of longer and thinner springs wound to the benefit of the length and uniformity of energy distribution. P.5000 movement has 21 jewels, 127 components and a frequency of 3 Hz. The P.5000 has no quick reset seconds hand feature like the P.2000 movement. This movement varies significantly from the other in-house manually wound calibers in this price range.
See good pics and movement components here:
http://rubberb.com/blog/new-panerai-8-day-power-reserve/
GEN PAM 560 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT-Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.5000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 15¾ lignes, 4.5 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. KIF® Parechoc anti-shock device. Power reserve 8 days, two barrels. 127 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes.
CASE-Diameter 44 mm, AISI 316L polished steel.
BEZEL- Polished steel.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (protected as a trademark) Brushed steel.
DIAL- Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, made of corundum, 2.5 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~ 300 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal polished steel buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.

May 2014- KW released a replica marked P-series of PAM 511, using a decorated A-6497-2 movement. This decorated movement has not inverted layout like other decorated movements but has the Balance wheel @11 (like 6497 mvmt.) instead of @7 like gen.
The movement in these replicas is the decorated KW V2, which has been improved in relation to KW V1, with better jewels shape and some more accurate bridges including balance cock. Differences are not big but they are enough to get a more accurate movement. See below pics:

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – WATCHES PLACED IN THE SAME POSITION (In order to see the different placement of movements)

In above pics both watches are placed in the same position (see CGs green encirled). We can see the different placement of the whole movement and the Balance wheels @7 and@11.
This decorated movement is a very good step to get the P.5000 appearance and for a no trained eye it is almost impossible to see differences in a no side by side comparison. In below pics Gen watch is turned to match gen and rep movement position (see CGs green encircled in different positions). In this way we can compare the movements in parallel. You can see there is a great similarity

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – GEN WATCH IS TURNED TO MACTH MOVEMENT POSITIONS (In order to see the similarity of decorated movement with gen)

Anyway there are differences as follows:
-Decorated KW A-6497 movement has not, obviously, 8 days of Power reserve
-Balance wheel position @ 11 instead of @7 (as above said)
-Replica has a conventional “big” 6497 Balance wheel, whereas gen has a little variable inertia balance wheel. This difference is the most noticeable in the rep movement.
-Balance cock (the bridge with the Incabloc over the BW), although has been improved to V2, has very different shape and Incablock support in the rep due to necessities of 6497 movement. This is also noticeable but a bit more accurate than in V1 version.
-Some differences in bridges shape and jewels placements due to a different movement of base.
-Although the finish of rep bridges is very good, as usually in KW decorations, gen bridges have nicer, more uniform and more fine brushed and the edges are better defined and bevelled and mainly more nicely polished. Anyway the rep appearance in real size is awesome and reaches a gen-like level more than acceptable.
-Inscriptions on bridges have good finish, but are thicker and not as nice as gen. Due to the structure of 6497 movement, the rep inscriptions are placed clearly outwards, for this reason they are a bit bigger than gen to get the same appearance and not to leave longer spaces between prints. But this is only noticeable in side by side comparisons, because the inscriptions are not inverted like in P.9000 decorations.
Anyway, this is one of the most accurate (in appearance, because it has not the Power Reserve of the gen) of rep decorated movements on first quarter 2014, together with KW P.2002/9 fitting KW PAM 346, even superior in appearance to clone P.3000 of PAM 372 (but this movement has a PR close to the gen).
Regarding old Luminor 44mm case-set fitting this watch, KW version is already well known and with a very good reputation of awesome finish, solid gen-like appearance and some inaccuracies in lugs as all rep Luminor case-sets at this moment. For more info about this case-set you can read here the complete review of ALE-Kolckis:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032&pid=932572&st=0&#entry932572 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=209577 by Klockis-ALE
Unfortunately, the case-set of gen 8 days series is a bit different from the old Luminor 44mm. The new 8 days P.5000 movement is thinner than old Unitas 6497-2, this smaller thickness allows a thinner case in the new gen 8 days series, with different lugs shape, new bezel also is thinner but with wider base, and the crystal is almost flush with the bezel. KW is using for its 8 days replicas the same case-set and crystal as “old” Luminor 44mm. It is no easy to see the differences without knowing them and without a side by side comparison, but they exist.
See some pics and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192007 by ALE
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1407933439/Luminor+vs+Luminor+8+Days+~+PAM+546+-+PAM+590
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=68428563
Layout , markers and inscriptions on dial are accurate.
Rep hands are Pre-V type whereas gen hands are modern type, being located on the dial is a serious issue for a replica.
Caseback is also nice, with deep engravings and sapphire display. This replica, unlike KW V1 models, has already the engraving of the de serial number, but it is P-series whereas gen starts in Q-series. This is a visible flaw.
It is a shame because the watch is very well manufactured and gets an impressive level of quality and gen-like appearance, but these flaws avoid a higher First Class rep evaluation, since the decorated movement avoids previously a Super rep evaluation.
Very good first class watch and just a First Class low level grade replica due to wrong hands, wrong serial number engraving a bit inaccurate case-set and bevelled of crystal.
Announcement from KW and more comments:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183079M
Info about PAM 8 days case-set
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231981 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184326 by thedonsl

May 2014- Puretime announces that ZFac is working in a PAM 510 with corrected case-set. As above said Frist KW releases of 8 days PAM reps came with the same case-set as old Luminor 44mm. Therefore this new 8days ZFac version, always following Puretime indications, will be way closer to gen. Besides, Puretime says that this new ZFac Pam 510 will be fitted with a real 8 days movement without more explanations. The release is expected in about three four months. Since new PAM 8 days 510-511-560-561 and 563 have the same caseset and movement we should also expect new versions of all these watches.
More info and comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231981 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184326 by thedonsl

PAM 560
REPLICA links:
KW w/decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.kuvarsitwatch.co/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32287
(*)http://puretime01.com/product/pam560-p-black-dial-on-black-leather-strap-p5000/
(*)http://www.tswatch.club/15662-pa15662-pam560-p-black-dial-ss-lt-p5000_8f1db7c567c7da6550379ce53bdc1d16.html
(*)http://www.tswatch.club/15477-pa15477-pam560-p-black-dial-ss-lt-p5000_d9a5280f98fe3375b19101795d9b7fea.html
(*)http://www.2016asian.com/product_show.asp?p_id=3147
(*)http://www.torobravos.xyz/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1721
(*)http://www.trustytime01.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=11993
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn56001-days-ssle-black-a6497p5000-21600b-p-15721.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_359.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor/635-luminor-base-8-days-acciaio-pam00560
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/sihh/panerai-luminor-base-pam-560/
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai-introduces-five-new-entry-level-luminor-8-days-watches-p-5000-movement/
http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle.com/home/sihh-2014-officine-panerai-presents-6-new-luminor-base-8-days-watches-featuring-calibre-p5000-live-pictures-and-pricing
http://www.thewatchobserver.fr/actualite/panerai-pam-560-pam-561-pam-562-pam-563-et-pam-564-sihh-2014-460#.U4pWaXJ_uXE
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (KW decorated P.5000)
The gen PAM 561 Luminor Base 8 days power reserve was presented as Q-series in SIHH 2014. PAM 561 has white dial with black markers and SS case completely polished except CG which is brushed.
It is like the successor or the evolution of PAM 114 Luminor, has a similar 44mm Luminor case and similar dial, just similar because there are some differences.
It was presented in 2014 together with four more similar Panerais Luminor 8 days PR. And they were added at the couple of PAM 8 days introduced in 2013: PAM 510 and 511. The complete 2013-214 PAM 8 days series is as follows:
Black dials
PAM 560- Polished SS-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 112
PAM 510- Polished SS-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 111
Brown dials
PAM 511- Polished Red Gold-Luminor Base–Is like a PAM 510 but in Red Gold
PAM 562- Brushed Ti-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 176 but with Brown dial
PAM 564- Brushed Ti-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 177 but with Brown dial
White dials
PAM 561- Polished SS-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 114
PAM 563- Polished SS-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 113
It was also presented in 2014 a special watch 8 days but very different from all 8 days above mentioned: The PAM 590 a Luminor Marina (seconds @9) with solid caseback with pig engraved, black dial, sausage creamy lume and “8 Giorni Brevettato” historic circular vintage logo.
These new Luminor 8 days have a great difference in relation with their predecessors: They are fitted with a new totally “in-house” movement, called P.5000, with a power reserve of 8 days, instead of a Unitas-based movement 3 days like Pam 111 and similar Luminor Panerai watches. The movement is visible through the sapphire crystal of a nice display caseback.
This new manually wound movement is made completely in-house and has a power reserve of 8 days. This feature is an homage to the old Angelus-made 8-day watches. Even its size is reminiscent of the old movements, in a full 15.75 lignes (35.7mm) - the Angelus was a 16 ligne movement. The P.5000 has a structure similar to the old style movements, with most details hidden from the eye. All you can see on the P.5000 through the display caseback, besides the brush finished and diamond-polished plates, are the balance cock, the intermediate wheel, and a variable inertia balance wheel. P.5000 movement 8 days power reserve is obtained by connecting in series two barrels. This dual system allows the use of longer and thinner springs wound to the benefit of the length and uniformity of energy distribution. P.5000 movement has 21 jewels, 127 components and a frequency of 3 Hz. The P.5000 has no quick reset seconds hand feature like the P.2000 movement. This movement varies significantly from the other in-house manually wound calibers in this price range.
See good pics and movement components here:
http://rubberb.com/blog/new-panerai-8-day-power-reserve/
GEN PAM 561 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT-Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.5000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 15¾ lignes, 4.5 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. KIF® Parechoc anti-shock device. Power reserve 8 days, two barrels. 127 components.
FUNCTIONS-Hours, minutes.
CASE-Diameter 44 mm, AISI 316L polished steel.
BEZEL-Polished steel.
BACK-See-through sapphire crystal.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN-(protected as a trademark) Brushed steel.
DIAL-White with Arabic numerals and luminous dots markers.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, made of corundum, 2.5 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~ 300 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal polished steel buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.

May 2014- KW released a replica of PAM 511 marked P-series, using a decorated A-6497-2 movement. This decorated movement has not inverted layout like other decorated movements but has the Balance wheel @11 (like 6497 mvmt.) instead of @7 like gen.
The movement in these replicas is the decorated KW V2, which has been improved in relation to KW V1, with better jewels shape and some more accurate bridges including balance cock. Differences are not big but they are enough to get a more accurate movement. See below pics:

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – WATCHES PLACED IN THE SAME POSITION (In order to see the different placement of movements)

In above pics both watches are placed in the same position (see CGs green encirled). We can see the different placement of the whole movement and the Balance wheels @7 and@11.
This decorated movement is a very good step to get the P.5000 appearance and for a no trained eye it is almost impossible to see differences in a no side by side comparison. In below pics Gen watch is turned to match gen and rep movement position (see CGs green encircled in different positions). In this way we can compare the movements in parallel. You can see there is a great similarity

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – GEN WATCH IS TURNED TO MACTH MOVEMENT POSITIONS (In order to see the similarity of decorated movement with gen)

Anyway there are differences as follows:
-Decorated KW A-6497 movement has not, obviously, 8 days of Power reserve
-Balance wheel position @ 11 instead of @7 (as above said)
-Replica has a conventional “big” 6497 Balance wheel, whereas gen has a little variable inertia balance wheel. This difference is the most noticeable in the rep movement.
-Balance cock (the bridge with the Incabloc over the BW), although has been improved to V2, has very different shape and Incablock support in the rep due to necessities of 6497 movement. This is also noticeable but a bit more accurate than in V1 version.
-Some differences in bridges shape and jewels placements due to a different movement of base.
-Although the finish of rep bridges is very good, as usually in KW decorations, gen bridges have nicer, more uniform and more fine brushed and the edges are better defined and bevelled and mainly more nicely polished. Anyway the rep appearance in real size is awesome and reaches a gen-like level more than acceptable.
-Inscriptions on bridges have good finish, but are thicker and not as nice as gen. Due to the structure of 6497 movement, the rep inscriptions are placed clearly outwards, for this reason they are a bit bigger than gen to get the same appearance and not to leave longer spaces between prints. But this is only noticeable in side by side comparisons, because the inscriptions are not inverted like in P.9000 decorations.
Anyway, this is one of the most accurate (in appearance, because it has not the Power Reserve of the gen) of rep decorated movements on first quarter 2014, together with KW P.2002/9 fitting KW PAM 346, even superior in appearance to clone P.3000 of PAM 372 (but this movement has a PR close to the gen).
Regarding old Luminor 44mm case-set fitting this watch, KW version is already well known and with a very good reputation of awesome finish, solid gen-like appearance and some inaccuracies in lugs as all rep Luminor case-sets at this moment. For more info about this case-set you can read here the complete review of ALE-Kolckis:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032&pid=932572&st=0&#entry932572 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=209577 by Klockis-ALE
Unfortunately, the case-set of gen 8 days series is a bit different from the old Luminor 44mm. The new 8 days P.5000 movement is thinner than old Unitas 6497-2, this smaller thickness allows a thinner case in the new gen 8 days series, with different lugs shape, new bezel also is thinner but with wider base, and the crystal is almost flush with the bezel. KW is using for its 8 days replicas the same case-set and crystal as “old” Luminor 44mm. It is no easy to see the differences without knowing them and without a side by side comparison, but they exist.
See some pics and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192007 by ALE
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1407933439/Luminor+vs+Luminor+8+Days+~+PAM+546+-+PAM+590
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=68428563
Layout , markers and inscriptions on dial are accurate.
Rep hands are Pre-V type whereas gen hands are modern type, being located on the dial is a serious issue for a replica.
Caseback is also nice, with deep engravings and sapphire display. This replica, unlike KW V1 models, has already the engraving of the de serial number, but it is P-series whereas gen starts in Q-series. This is a visible flaw.
It is a shame because the watch is very well manufactured and gets an impressive level of quality and gen-like appearance, but these flaws avoid a higher First Class rep evaluation, since the decorated movement avoids previously a Super rep evaluation.
Very good first class watch and just a First Class low level grade replica due to wrong hands, wrong serial number engraving a bit inaccurate case-set and bevelled of crystal.
Announcement from KW and more comments:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183079M
Info about PAM 8 days case-set
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231981 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184326 by thedonsl
Very nice pictorial and review of KW PAM 563 but perfectly good for PAM 561 (since it is the same but without seconds subdial at 9hrs.)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=190880&p=1923392#post-1923392 by kilowattore, including comments by ALE

May 2014- Puretime announces that ZFac is working in a PAM 510 with corrected case-set. As above said Frist KW releases of 8 days PAM reps came with the same case-set as old Luminor 44mm. Therefore this new 8days ZFac version, always following Puretime indications, will be way closer to gen. Besides, Puretime says that this new ZFac Pam 510 will be fitted with a real 8 days movement without more explanations. The release is expected in about three four months. Since new PAM 8 days 510-511-560-561 and 563 have the same caseset and movement we should also expect new versions of all these watches.
More info and comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231981 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184326 by thedonsl

PAM 561
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32288 KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam561-p-white-dial-on-brown-asso-strap-p5000/ KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15661-pa15661-pam561-p-white-dial-ss-lt-p5000.html KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15478-pa15478-pam561-p-white-dial-ss-alligator-p5000.html KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=3148&ti= KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1642 KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=11995 KW decorated P.5000 V2
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn56101-days-ssle-black-a6497p5000-21600b-p-15723.html KW decorated P.5000 V2
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_360.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor/637-luminor-base-8-days-acciaio-pam00561
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/sihh/panerai-luminor-base-pam-561/
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai-introduces-five-new-entry-level-luminor-8-days-watches-p-5000-movement/
http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle.com/home/sihh-2014-officine-panerai-presents-6-new-luminor-base-8-days-watches-featuring-calibre-p5000-live-pictures-and-pricing
http://www.thewatchobserver.fr/actualite/panerai-pam-560-pam-561-pam-562-pam-563-et-pam-564-sihh-2014-460#.U4pWaXJ_uXE
**

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (KW decorated P.5000)
The gen PAM 562 Luminor Base Titanium 8 days power reserve was presented as Q-series in SIHH 2014. PAM 562 has brown sandwich dial and Titanium case completely brushed even CG.
It is like the successor or the evolution of PAM 176 Luminor but with brown dial instead of black, it has a similar 44mm Luminor case and similar dial, just similar because there are more differences aside the colour.
It was presented in 2014 together with four more similar Panerais Luminor 8 days PR. And they were added at the couple of PAM 8 days introduced in 2013: PAM 510 and 511. The complete 2013-214 PAM 8 days series is as follows:
Black dials
PAM 560- Polished SS-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 112
PAM 510- Polished SS-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 111
Brown dials
PAM 511- Polished Red Gold-Luminor Base–Is like a PAM 510 but in Red Gold
PAM 562- Brushed Ti-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 176 but with Brown dial
PAM 564- Brushed Ti-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 177 but with Brown dial
White dials
PAM 561- Polished SS-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 114
PAM 563- Polished SS-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 113
It was also presented in 2014 a special watch 8 days but very different from all 8 days above mentioned: The PAM 590 a Luminor Marina (seconds @9) with solid caseback with pig engraved, black dial, sausage creamy lume and “8 Giorni Brevettato” historic circular vintage logo.
These new Luminor 8 days have a great difference in relation with their predecessors: They are fitted with a new totally “in-house” movement, called P.5000, with a power reserve of 8 days, instead of a Unitas-based movement 3 days like Pam 111 and similar Luminor Panerai watches. The movement is visible through the sapphire crystal of a nice display caseback.
This new manually wound movement is made completely in-house and has a power reserve of 8 days. This feature is an homage to the old Angelus-made 8-day watches. Even its size is reminiscent of the old movements, in a full 15.75 lignes (35.7mm) - the Angelus was a 16 ligne movement. The P.5000 has a structure similar to the old style movements, with most details hidden from the eye. All you can see on the P.5000 through the display caseback, besides the brush finished and diamond-polished plates, are the balance cock, the intermediate wheel, and a variable inertia balance wheel. P.5000 movement 8 days power reserve is obtained by connecting in series two barrels. This dual system allows the use of longer and thinner springs wound to the benefit of the length and uniformity of energy distribution. P.5000 movement has 21 jewels, 127 components and a frequency of 3 Hz. The P.5000 has no quick reset seconds hand feature like the P.2000 movement. This movement varies significantly from the other in-house manually wound calibers in this price range.
See good pics and movement components here:
http://rubberb.com/blog/new-panerai-8-day-power-reserve/
TECHNICAL DETAILS OF GEN PAM 562
MOVEMENT-Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.5000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 15¾ lignes, 4.5 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. KIF® Parechoc anti-shock device. Power reserve 8 days, two barrels. 127 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes.
CASE- Diameter 44 mm, brushed titanium.
BEZEL- brushed titanium.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (protected as a trademark) Brushed titanium.
DIAL- Brown-Sandwich with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, made of corundum, 2.5 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~ 300 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal brushed titanium buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.

June 2014- KW released a replica of PAM 562 marked P-series, using a decorated A-6497-2 movement. This decorated movement has not inverted layout like other decorated movements but has the Balance wheel @11 (like 6497 mvmt.) instead of @7 like gen.
The movement in these replicas is the decorated KW V2, which has been improved in relation to KW V1, with better jewels shape and some more accurate bridges including balance cock. Differences are not big but they are enough to get a more accurate movement. See below pics:

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – WATCHES PLACED IN THE SAME POSITION (In order to see the different placement of movements)

In above pics both watches are placed in the same position (see CGs green encirled). We can see the different placement of the whole movement and the Balance wheels @7 and@11.
This decorated movement is a very good step to get the P.5000 appearance and for a no trained eye it is almost impossible to see differences in a no side by side comparison. In below pics Gen watch is turned to match gen and rep movement position (see CGs green encircled in different positions). In this way we can compare the movements in parallel. You can see there is a great similarity

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – GEN WATCH IS TURNED TO MACTH MOVEMENT POSITIONS (In order to see the similarity of decorated movement with gen)

Anyway there are differences as follows:
-Decorated KW A-6497 movement has not, obviously, 8 days of Power reserve
-Balance wheel position @ 11 instead of @7 (as above said)
-Replica has a conventional “big” 6497 Balance wheel, whereas gen has a little variable inertia balance wheel. This difference is the most noticeable in the rep movement.
-Balance cock (the bridge with the Incabloc over the BW), although has been improved to V2, has very different shape and Incabloc support in the rep due to necessities of 6497 movement. This is also noticeable but a bit more accurate than in V1 version.
-Some differences in bridges shape and jewels placements due to a different movement of base.
-Although the finish of rep bridges is very good, as usually in KW decorations, gen bridges have nicer, more uniform and more fine brushed and the edges are better defined and bevelled and mainly more nicely polished. Anyway the rep appearance in real size is awesome and reaches a gen-like level more than acceptable.
-Inscriptions on bridges have good finish, but are thicker and not as nice as gen. Due to the structure of 6497 movement, the rep inscriptions are placed clearly outwards, for this reason they are a bit bigger than gen to get the same appearance and not to leave longer spaces between prints. But this is only noticeable in side by side comparisons, because the inscriptions are not inverted like in P.9000 decorations.
Anyway, this is one of the most accurate (in appearance, because it has not the Power Reserve of the gen) of rep decorated movements on first quarter 2014, together with KW P.2002/9 fitting KW PAM 346, even superior in appearance to clone P.3000 of PAM 372 (but this movement has a PR close to the gen).
Regarding old Luminor 44mm case-set fitting this watch, KW version is already well known and with a very good reputation of awesome finish, solid gen-like appearance and some inaccuracies in lugs as all rep Luminor case-sets at this moment. For more info about this case-set you can read here the complete review of ALE-Kolckis:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032&pid=932572&st=0&#entry932572 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=209577 by Klockis-ALE
Unfortunately, the case-set of gen 8 days series is a bit different from the old Luminor 44mm. The new 8 days P.5000 movement is thinner than old Unitas 6497-2, this smaller thickness allows a thinner case in the new gen 8 days series, with different lugs shape, new bezel also is thinner but with wider base, and the crystal is almost flush with the bezel. KW is using for its 8 days replicas the same case-set and crystal as “old” Luminor 44mm. It is no easy to see the differences without knowing them and without a side by side comparison, but they exist.
See some pics and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192007 by ALE
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1407933439/Luminor+vs+Luminor+8+Days+~+PAM+546+-+PAM+590
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=68428563
Layout , markers and inscriptions on dial are accurate.
Rep hands are Pre-V type whereas gen hands are modern type, being located on the dial is a serious issue for a replica.
Caseback is also nice, with deep engravings and sapphire display. This replica, unlike KW V1 models, has already the engraving of the de serial number, but it is P-series whereas gen starts in Q-series. This is a visible flaw.
It is a shame because the watch is very well manufactured and gets an impressive level of quality and gen-like appearance, but these flaws avoid a higher First Class rep evaluation, since the decorated movement avoids previously a Super rep evaluation.
Very good first class watch and just a First Class low level grade replica due to wrong hands, wrong serial number engraving a bit inaccurate case-set and bevelled of crystal.
More comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=233360 by jonnynoks
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=233318 by Sead1999

May 2014- Puretime announces that ZFac is working in a PAM 510 with corrected case-set. As above said First KW releases of 8 days PAM reps came with the same case-set as old Luminor 44mm. Therefore this new 8days ZFac version, always following Puretime indications, will be way closer to gen. Besides, Puretime says that this new ZFac Pam 510 will be fitted with a real 8 days movement without more explanations. The release is expected in about three four months. Since new PAM 8 days 510-511-560-561 and 563 have the same caseset and movement we should also expect new versions of all these watches.
More info and comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231981 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184326 by thedonsl

PAM 562
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32301 KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15659-pa15659-pam562-p-8-days-brown-titanium-lt-1-1-p5000.html KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+562&product_id=1081 KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=12118 KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn56201-days-tile-brown-a6497p5000-21600b-p-15862.html KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=12118 KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn56201-days-tile-brown-a6497p5000-21600b-p-15862.html KW decorated P.5000
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_361.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor/639-luminor-base-8-days-titanio-44mm-pam00562
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai-introduces-five-new-entry-level-luminor-8-days-watches-p-5000-movement/
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-6271908/ti-912783/t-officine-panerai-panerai-sihh-2014-pam-561-and-564-a-classic-8-days-offer-from-panerai/
http://www.chronometryx.com/news/
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (KW decorated P.5000)
The gen PAM 563 Luminor Marina 8 days power reserve was presented as Q-series in SIHH 2014. PAM 563 has white dial with black markers and seconds @9 subdial and SS case completely polished except CG which is brushed.
It is like the successor or the evolution of PAM 113 Luminor, has a similar 44mm Luminor case and similar dial, just similar because there are some differences.
It was presented in 2014 together with four more similar Panerais Luminor 8 days PR. And they were added at the couple of PAM 8 days introduced in 2013: PAM 510 and 511. The complete 2013-214 PAM 8 days series is as follows:
Black dials
PAM 560- Polished SS-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 112
PAM 510- Polished SS-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 111
Brown dials
PAM 511- Polished Red Gold-Luminor Base–Is like a PAM 510 but in Red Gold
PAM 562- Brushed Ti-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 176 but with Brown dial
PAM 564- Brushed Ti-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 177 but with Brown dial
White dials
PAM 561- Polished SS-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 114
PAM 563- Polished SS-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 113
It was also presented in 2014 a special watch 8 days but very different from all 8 days above mentioned: The PAM 590 a Luminor Marina (seconds @9) with solid caseback with pig engraved, black dial, sausage creamy lume and “8 Giorni Brevettato” historic circular vintage logo.
These new Luminor 8 days have a great difference in relation with their predecessors: They are fitted with a new totally “in-house” movement, called P.5000, with a power reserve of 8 days, instead of a Unitas-based movement 3 days like Pam 111 and similar Luminor Panerai watches. The movement is visible through the sapphire crystal of a nice display caseback.
This new manually wound movement is made completely in-house and has a power reserve of 8 days. This feature is an homage to the old Angelus-made 8-day watches. Even its size is reminiscent of the old movements, in a full 15.75 lignes (35.7mm) - the Angelus was a 16 ligne movement. The P.5000 has a structure similar to the old style movements, with most details hidden from the eye. All you can see on the P.5000 through the display caseback, besides the brush finished and diamond-polished plates, are the balance cock, the intermediate wheel, and a variable inertia balance wheel. P.5000 movement 8 days power reserve is obtained by connecting in series two barrels. This dual system allows the use of longer and thinner springs wound to the benefit of the length and uniformity of energy distribution. P.5000 movement has 21 jewels, 127 components and a frequency of 3 Hz. The P.5000 has no quick reset seconds hand feature like the P.2000 movement. This movement varies significantly from the other in-house manually wound calibers in this price range.
See good pics and movement components here:
http://rubberb.com/blog/new-panerai-8-day-power-reserve/
GEN PAM 563 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT-Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.5000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 15¾ lignes, 4.5 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. KIF® Parechoc anti-shock device. Power reserve 8 days, two barrels. 127 components.
FUNCTIONS-Hours, minutes, small seconds.
CASE-Diameter 44 mm, AISI 316L polished steel.
BEZEL-Polished steel.
BACK-See-through sapphire crystal.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN-(protected as a trademark) Brushed steel.
DIAL-White with Arabic numerals and luminous dots markers. DSeconds subdial at 9 hours
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, made of corundum, 2.5 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~ 300 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal polished steel buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.

May 2014- KW released a replica of PAM 513 marked P-series, using a decorated A-6497-2 movement. This decorated movement has not inverted layout like other decorated movements but has the Balance wheel @11 (like 6497 mvmt.) instead of @7 like gen.
The movement in these replicas is the decorated KW V2, which has been improved in relation to KW V1, with better jewels shape and some more accurate bridges including balance cock. Differences are not big but they are enough to get a more accurate movement. See below pics:

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – WATCHES PLACED IN THE SAME POSITION (In order to see the different placement of movements)

In above pics both watches are placed in the same position (see CGs green encirled). We can see the different placement of the whole movement and the Balance wheels @7 and@11.
This decorated movement is a very good step to get the P.5000 appearance and for a no trained eye it is almost impossible to see differences in a no side by side comparison. In below pics Gen watch is turned to match gen and rep movement position (see CGs green encircled in different positions). In this way we can compare the movements in parallel. You can see there is a great similarity

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – GEN WATCH IS TURNED TO MACTH MOVEMENT POSITIONS (In order to see the similarity of decorated movement with gen)

Anyway there are differences as follows:
-Decorated KW A-6497 movement has not, obviously, 8 days of Power reserve
-Balance wheel position @ 11 instead of @7 (as above said)
-Replica has a conventional “big” 6497 Balance wheel, whereas gen has a little variable inertia balance wheel. This difference is the most noticeable in the rep movement.
-Balance cock (the bridge with the Incabloc over the BW), although has been improved to V2, has very different shape and Incablock support in the rep due to necessities of 6497 movement. This is also noticeable but a bit more accurate than in V1 version.
-Some differences in bridges shape and jewels placements due to a different movement of base.
-Although the finish of rep bridges is very good, as usually in KW decorations, gen bridges have nicer, more uniform and more fine brushed and the edges are better defined and bevelled and mainly more nicely polished. Anyway the rep appearance in real size is awesome and reaches a gen-like level more than acceptable.
-Inscriptions on bridges have good finish, but are thicker and not as nice as gen. Due to the structure of 6497 movement, the rep inscriptions are placed clearly outwards, for this reason they are a bit bigger than gen to get the same appearance and not to leave longer spaces between prints. But this is only noticeable in side by side comparisons, because the inscriptions are not inverted like in P.9000 decorations.
Anyway, this is one of the most accurate (in appearance, because it has not the Power Reserve of the gen) of rep decorated movements on first quarter 2014, together with KW P.2002/9 fitting KW PAM 346, even superior in appearance to clone P.3000 of PAM 372 (but this movement has a PR close to the gen).
Regarding old Luminor 44mm case-set fitting this watch, KW version is already well known and with a very good reputation of awesome finish, solid gen-like appearance and some inaccuracies in lugs as all rep Luminor case-sets at this moment. For more info about this case-set you can read here the complete review of ALE-Kolckis:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032&pid=932572&st=0&#entry932572 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=209577 by Klockis-ALE
Unfortunately, the case-set of gen 8 days series is a bit different from the old Luminor 44mm. The new 8 days P.5000 movement is thinner than old Unitas 6497-2, this smaller thickness allows a thinner case in the new gen 8 days series, with different lugs shape, new bezel also is thinner but with wider base, and the crystal is almost flush with the bezel. KW is using for its 8 days replicas the same case-set and crystal as “old” Luminor 44mm. It is no easy to see the differences without knowing them and without a side by side comparison, but they exist.
See some pics and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192007 by ALE
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1407933439/Luminor+vs+Luminor+8+Days+~+PAM+546+-+PAM+590
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=68428563
Layout , markers and inscriptions on dial are accurate. Fortunately PAM 563 has no recessed subdial @9 because it is flush with dial surface, therefore we have no problems about this matter like it happened in PAM 113. Officine Panerai give a gift to rep makers.
Rep hands are Pre-V type whereas gen hands are modern type, being located on the dial is a serious issue for a replica.
Caseback is also nice, with deep engravings and sapphire display. This replica, unlike KW V1 models, has already the engraving of the de serial number, but it is P-series whereas gen starts in Q-series. This is a visible flaw.
It is a shame because the watch is very well manufactured and gets an impressive level of quality and gen-like appearance, but these flaws avoid a higher First Class rep evaluation, since the decorated movement avoids previously a Super rep evaluation.
Very good first class watch and just a First Class low level grade replica due to wrong hands, wrong serial number engraving a bit inaccurate case-set and bevelled of crystal.
Announcement from KW and more comments:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183079M
Info about PAM 8 days case-set
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231981 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184326 by thedonsl

May 2014- Puretime announces that ZFac is working in a PAM 510 with corrected case-set. As above said Frist KW releases of 8 days PAM reps came with the same case-set as old Luminor 44mm. Therefore this new 8days ZFac version, always following Puretime indications, will be way closer to gen. Besides, Puretime says that this new ZFac Pam 510 will be fitted with a real 8 days movement without more explanations. The release is expected in about three four months. Since new PAM 8 days 510-511-560-561 and 563 have the same caseset and movement we should also expect new versions of all these watches.
More info and comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231981 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184326 by thedonsl
Very nice pictorial and review
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=190880&p=1923392#post-1923392 by kilowattore, including comments by ALE

PAM 563
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32289 KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam563-p-white-dial-on-brown-asso-strap-p5000/ KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15651-pa15651-pam563-p-white-dial-ss-lt-p5000.html KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=PAM+563&product_id=1050 KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=3149&ti= KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=11994 KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn56301-days-ssle-black-a6497p5000-21600b-p-15722.html KW decorated P.5000
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_362.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor/631-luminor-marina-8-days-acciaio-pam00563
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/sihh/panerai-luminor-marina-pam-563/
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai-introduces-five-new-entry-level-luminor-8-days-watches-p-5000-movement/
http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle.com/home/sihh-2014-officine-panerai-presents-6-new-luminor-base-8-days-watches-featuring-calibre-p5000-live-pictures-and-pricing
http://www.thewatchobserver.fr/actualite/panerai-pam-560-pam-561-pam-562-pam-563-et-pam-564-sihh-2014-460#.U4pWaXJ_uXE
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP low level (KW decorated P.5000)
The gen PAM 564 Luminor Marina Titanium 8 days power reserve was presented as Q-series in SIHH 2014. PAM 564 has brown sandwich dial and Titanium case completely brushed even CG.
It is like the successor or the evolution of PAM 177 Luminor but with brown dial instead of black, it has a similar 44mm Luminor case and similar dial, just similar because there are more differences aside the colour.
It was presented in 2014 together with four more similar Panerais Luminor 8 days PR. And they were added at the couple of PAM 8 days introduced in 2013: PAM 510 and 511. The complete 2013-214 PAM 8 days series is as follows:
Black dials
PAM 560- Polished SS-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 112
PAM 510- Polished SS-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 111
Brown dials
PAM 511- Polished Red Gold-Luminor Base–Is like a PAM 510 but in Red Gold
PAM 562- Brushed Ti-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 176 but with Brown dial
PAM 564- Brushed Ti-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 177 but with Brown dial
White dials
PAM 561- Polished SS-Luminor Base-Evolution of PAM 114
PAM 563- Polished SS-Luminor Marina (secs. @9)-Evolution of PAM 113
It was also presented in 2014 a special watch 8 days but very different from all 8 days above mentioned: The PAM 590 a Luminor Marina (seconds @9) with solid caseback with pig engraved, black dial, sausage creamy lume and “8 Giorni Brevettato” historic circular vintage logo.
These new Luminor 8 days have a great difference in relation with their predecessors: They are fitted with a new totally “in-house” movement, called P.5000, with a power reserve of 8 days, instead of a Unitas-based movement 3 days like Pam 111 and similar Luminor Panerai watches. The movement is visible through the sapphire crystal of a nice display caseback.
This new manually wound movement is made completely in-house and has a power reserve of 8 days. This feature is an homage to the old Angelus-made 8-day watches. Even its size is reminiscent of the old movements, in a full 15.75 lignes (35.7mm) - the Angelus was a 16 ligne movement. The P.5000 has a structure similar to the old style movements, with most details hidden from the eye. All you can see on the P.5000 through the display caseback, besides the brush finished and diamond-polished plates, are the balance cock, the intermediate wheel, and a variable inertia balance wheel. P.5000 movement 8 days power reserve is obtained by connecting in series two barrels. This dual system allows the use of longer and thinner springs wound to the benefit of the length and uniformity of energy distribution. P.5000 movement has 21 jewels, 127 components and a frequency of 3 Hz. The P.5000 has no quick reset seconds hand feature like the P.2000 movement. This movement varies significantly from the other in-house manually wound calibers in this price range.
See good pics and movement components here:
http://rubberb.com/blog/new-panerai-8-day-power-reserve/
TECHNICAL DETAILS OF GEN PAM 564
MOVEMENT- Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.5000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 15¾ lignes, 4.5 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. KIF® Parechoc anti-shock device. Power reserve 8 days, two barrels. 127 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds.
CASE- Diameter 44 mm, brushed titanium.
BEZEL- Brushed titanium.
BACK- See-through sapphire crystal.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (protected as a trademark) Brushed titanium.
DIAL- Brown-Sandwich with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. Seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, made of corundum, 2.5 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~ 300 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal brushed titanium buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.

June 2014- KW released a replica of PAM 564 marked P-series, using a decorated A-6497-2 movement. This decorated movement has not inverted layout like other decorated movements but has the Balance wheel @11 (like 6497 mvmt.) instead of @7 like gen.
The movement in these replicas is the decorated KW V2, which has been improved in relation to KW V1, with better jewels shape and some more accurate bridges including balance cock. Differences are not big but they are enough to get a more accurate movement. See below pics:

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – WATCHES PLACED IN THE SAME POSITION (In order to see the different placement of movements)

In above pics both watches are placed in the same position (see CGs green encirled). We can see the different placement of the whole movement and the Balance wheels @7 and@11.
This decorated movement is a very good step to get the P.5000 appearance and for a no trained eye it is almost impossible to see differences in a no side by side comparison. In below pics Gen watch is turned to match gen and rep movement position (see CGs green encircled in different positions). In this way we can compare the movements in parallel. You can see there is a great similarity

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – GEN WATCH IS TURNED TO MACTH MOVEMENT POSITIONS (In order to see the similarity of decorated movement with gen)

Anyway there are differences as follows:
-Decorated KW A-6497 movement has not, obviously, 8 days of Power reserve
-Balance wheel position @ 11 instead of @7 (as above said)
-Replica has a conventional “big” 6497 Balance wheel, whereas gen has a little variable inertia balance wheel. This difference is the most noticeable in the rep movement.
-Balance cock (the bridge with the Incabloc over the BW), although has been improved to V2, has very different shape and Incabloc support in the rep due to necessities of 6497 movement. This is also noticeable but a bit more accurate than in V1 version.
-Some differences in bridges shape and jewels placements due to a different movement of base.
-Although the finish of rep bridges is very good, as usually in KW decorations, gen bridges have nicer, more uniform and more fine brushed and the edges are better defined and bevelled and mainly more nicely polished. Anyway the rep appearance in real size is awesome and reaches a gen-like level more than acceptable.
-Inscriptions on bridges have good finish, but are thicker and not as nice as gen. Due to the structure of 6497 movement, the rep inscriptions are placed clearly outwards, for this reason they are a bit bigger than gen to get the same appearance and not to leave longer spaces between prints. But this is only noticeable in side by side comparisons, because the inscriptions are not inverted like in P.9000 decorations.
Anyway, this is one of the most accurate (in appearance, because it has not the Power Reserve of the gen) of rep decorated movements on first quarter 2014, together with KW P.2002/9 fitting KW PAM 346, even superior in appearance to clone P.3000 of PAM 372 (but this movement has a PR close to the gen).
Regarding old Luminor 44mm case-set fitting this watch, KW version is already well known and with a very good reputation of awesome finish, solid gen-like appearance and some inaccuracies in lugs as all rep Luminor case-sets at this moment. For more info about this case-set you can read here the complete review of ALE-Kolckis:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032&pid=932572&st=0&#entry932572 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=209577 by Klockis-ALE
Unfortunately, the case-set of gen 8 days series is a bit different from the old Luminor 44mm. The new 8 days P.5000 movement is thinner than old Unitas 6497-2, this smaller thickness allows a thinner case in the new gen 8 days series, with different lugs shape, new bezel also is thinner but with wider base, and the crystal is almost flush with the bezel. KW is using for its 8 days replicas the same case-set and crystal as “old” Luminor 44mm. It is no easy to see the differences without knowing them and without a side by side comparison, but they exist.
See some pics and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192007 by ALE
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1407933439/Luminor+vs+Luminor+8+Days+~+PAM+546+-+PAM+590
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=68428563
Layout , markers and inscriptions on dial are accurate.
Rep hands are Pre-V type whereas gen hands are modern type, being located on the dial is a serious issue for a replica.
Caseback is also nice, with deep engravings and sapphire display. This replica, unlike KW V1 models, has already the engraving of the de serial number, but it is P-series whereas gen starts in Q-series. This is a visible flaw.
It is a shame because the watch is very well manufactured and gets an impressive level of quality and gen-like appearance, but these flaws avoid a higher First Class rep evaluation, since the decorated movement avoids previously a Super rep evaluation.
Very good first class watch and just a First Class low level grade replica due to wrong hands, wrong serial number engraving a bit inaccurate case-set and bevelled of crystal.
More comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=233360 by jonnynoks
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=233318 by Sead1999

May 2014- Puretime announces that ZFac is working in a PAM 510 with corrected case-set. As above said First KW releases of 8 days PAM reps came with the same case-set as old Luminor 44mm. Therefore this new 8days ZFac version, always following Puretime indications, will be way closer to gen. Besides, Puretime says that this new ZFac Pam 510 will be fitted with a real 8 days movement without more explanations. The release is expected in about three four months. Since new PAM 8 days 510-511-560-561 and 563 have the same caseset and movement we should also expect new versions of all these watches.
More info and comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231981 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184326 by thedonsl
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=237897&page=2 by Bloodyrain

PAM 564
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32295 KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam564-p-on-brown-distressed-calfskin-strap-p5000/ KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15650-pa15650-pam564-p-8-days-brown-titanium-1-1-lt-p5000.html KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+564&product_id=1068 KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=12111 KW decorated P.5000
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn56401-days-tile-brown-a6497p5000-21600b-p-15855.html KW decorated P.5000
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Historic_363.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor/629-luminor-marina-8-days-titanio-44mm-pam00564
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/sihh/panerai-luminor-marina-8-days-titanium-pam-564/
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai-introduces-five-new-entry-level-luminor-8-days-watches-p-5000-movement/
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-6271908/ti-912783/t-officine-panerai-panerai-sihh-2014-pam-561-and-564-a-classic-8-days-offer-from-panerai/
http://www.chronometryx.com/news/
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP good level (ZFac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (KW-V6Fac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 Inverted)
EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP bordering lower status (KW-V6Fac Q-series w/ decorated Seagull NON-inverted KWP9000-Seagull V2) best option in March 2105
The gen PAM 569 is a Luminor 1950 Submersible of 47mm, Left-handed, made of Titanium, with a Manifattura Panerai P.9000 movement Automatic and 3 days Power Reserve. It was released in 2014 Q-series as a Unique Edition of 1000 units. The Titanium case and warm colours of lume, markers and inscriptions, together with a engraved Hobnail dial give this watch a strong personality making one of the nicest Subs in the market. What makes the PAM 569 different is the left-handed orientation of the crown, the aged brown calf leather strap, the vintage look of the colours and the engraved Hobnail surface. All in all, it is a pretty nice Panerai
The PAM 569 has a solid titanium caseback, so you can't view the movement , which makes sense, as it is a dive watch.
GEN PAM 569 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Automatic mechanical, Panerai P.9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 197 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds, date, calculation of immersion time.
CASE- Diameter 47 mm, brushed titanium.
BEZEL- Brushed titanium with polished edges, anti-clockwise unidirectional rotating bezel with graduated scale for calculating the time of immersion and ratchet click at minute intervals.
BACK- Screw, titanium.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN-(protected as a trademark) Brushed titanium.
DIAL- Black with Paris hobnails, applied luminous dots and hour markers. Seconds at 3 o’clock, date at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, formed of corundum, 4 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~300 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal brushed titanium buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap, a tool for changing the strap and a steel screwdriver.


January 2015- ZFac released a rep PAM 569 Q-series made of Titanium like gen. This rep is fitted with a new ZP9000-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole” almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9000-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9000 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.

-Lume and inscription colours are wrong and are not as uniform as gen.
-Bezel knurling seems a bit better than in PAM 389 and PAM 382 but not good enough for a new model supposedly improved
-Bezel upper external polished edge continues being a bit less wide and less polished than gen
-Bezel numbers are a bit thicker and a bit sloppy
-Bezel metallic dots are sharper than gen, gen contour is much more rounded
-Bezel black stick marker from 12 to 3 area bit displaced to the right starting a bit far from the pearl
-Pearl contour seems thinner than gen
-Crown Guard is wrong, edges and corners no good enough, it is worse than KW CG
-The CP is the wrong typical ZFac with raised ring around
-Dial inscriptions have a font a little bit narrower than gen. PANERAI and Automatic are even a bit higher
Anyway overall quality seems good, but general consensus is that KW is a superior version.
Bearing in mind the flaws and the accuracies this is a very nice rep and the solid caseback allows a better evaluation as usual. We can say it is a first Class rep of high level.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=206788 by vader1
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/217974-Just-got-my-PAM569-Q-ZF by outatime


January 2015- KW-F6Fac released a rep PAM 569 Q-series made of Titanium like gen. This rep is fitted with a decorated movement like P.9000 with inverted layout based on A7750. This decoration has “real” jewels instead of “painted” jewels like first batches of ZFac movements, and also has a false escapement wheel missing in first batches of decorated movements. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. The overall layout is inverted, like a mirror image of the gen. The balance cock decoration is very similar to the gen and looks much more accurate than ZFac decorations. The balance wheel “hole” is bigger than in ZFac movements and looks similar to the gen. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. There is always in decorated inverted layout movement a controversial matter about the orientation of the inscriptions on bridges. As above said the shape of decoration bridges is like a mirror image of the gen shape. But the inscriptions cannot be a mirror image, because in this case they would be unreadable. Small inscriptions like SWISS MADE and TWENTY-EIGHT (28) JEWELS, are orientated differently from the gen, they start and finish opposite the gen ones. This different orientation, due to the small fonts, is not noticeable in real size. But the big inscription CAL.P.9000 XXXXXX needs a different treatment because the size of the fonts will do noticeable the inaccuracies. In the gen, CAL.P.9000 inscription is placed to be read from the center of the movement and finishes near the balance wheel. It is impossible in a rep inverted layout movement to keep both conditions. ZFac has chosen to keep the reading from the center but then the inscription starts from the balance wheel side instead of finishing. KW has chosen finishing the inscription near the balance wheel and to turn the fonts to be read from outside the movement. Both are inaccurate in some way. The order of preference will be a taste matter.
This inverted KW movement is overall more accurate than inverted equivalent from ZFac.
Bellow is showed KW decorated inverted movement in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - KW DECORATED A7750 INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

The rest of the watch looks really good.
-Lume and inscription colours are better and more uniform than ZFac version.
-Bezel knurling is not perfect but maybe it is then best one on the release date. Anyway the inner part of the notches is a little rough and this is a part of the rep to be improved.
-Bezel upper external polished edge has correct dimension like gen and it is nicely polished. This edge enhances the beauty of this rep
-Bezel numbers are more accurate and better finished than ZFac ones.
-Bezel metallic dots are more rounded and accurate than ZFac.
-Bezel black stick marker from 12 to 3 are correctly placed in relation to the pearl
-Pearl contour seems thinner than gen, the same as ZFac version
-Crown Guard is really good with accurate and well finished edges and cornersand nice chamfered, really better than ZFac CG
-The CP is almost perfect and nicely polished
-Dial inscriptions are accurate and well defined.
Note: first batches were produced with wrong CP, pointy and recessed and with wrong pearl with very variable and inaccurate shape. Those flaws were immediately corrected by the maker and current production seems already correct. Anyway bear these points in mind when the purchase of new or used watches.
The look of this rep is impressive, the Hobnail dial surface and warm colours and the nicely polished edge of the bezel give this rep a fantastic appearance. The working of the bezel is overall firm and precise. The only point to be improved would be the quality and accuracy of the bezel knurling (it s the best so far but not perfect).
We can evaluate this KW rep as a Super rep bordering a lower status, mainly due to the finish and accuracy of the bezel knurling.
Fantastic review by mysterio
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=208777 by mysterio
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=246393 by mysterio
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=206788 by vader1
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=245699 by denisegold


March 2015- KW-F6Fac released a rep PAM 569 Q-series made of Titanium like gen. This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
This watch is exactly the same as above KW-V6Fac above commented, but we can assure that the batches of this version have already corrected pearl and nice CP. Besides, better price with more accurate and reliable movement.
Evaluation of Super rep bordering lower status and the best option in March 2015
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/219985-KW-PAM-569-Pictorial-pics-heavy by kilowattore
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/214690-PAM-569-KW-ST2555-just-in!!!?p=2172035#post-2172035 by swdivad
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/211640-Pam-569-Q-V6F-and-ST25-mov?p=2146327&viewfull=1#post-2146327 by Sora
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/224586-Pam-569-ST2555-Kuvarsit by xameda

PAM 569
REPLICA links:
(**)http://www.kuvarsit-watch.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32573 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam569-q-titanium-zf-11-best-edition-on-deep-brown-leather-strap-zp9000/ ZFac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam569-q-titanium-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-thick-leather-strap-zp9000/ ZFac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5
(**)http://pure-time.com/product/pam569-q-titaniums-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-thick-leather-strap-p9000/ KW-V6Fac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 Inverted
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16353-pa16353-pam569-q-v6f-1-1-best-titanium-lt-seagull-st255-flush-cannon-pinion.html KW-V6Fac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 Inverted
(**)http://www.tswatchltd.com/16221-pa16221-pam569-q-v6f-1-1-best-titanium-lt-p9000.html KW-V6Fac Q-series w/ decorated Seagull NON-inverted KWP9000-Seagull V2 (TSW catalogue is wrongly indicating decorated A7750)
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1421 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1376 ZFac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/1874-pam569-q-titanium-v6f-1-1-best-edition-on-brown-thick-leather-strap-p9000.html KW-V6Fac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 Inverted
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/1870-pam569-q-titanium-zf-1-1-best-edition-on-brown-thick-leather-strap-zp9000.html ZFac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5
(**)http://www.ttw8888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12950 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/ decorated A7750 Inverted
(**)http://www.ttw8888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13174 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/ decorated Seagull NON-inverted KWP9000-Seagull V2
GEN links:
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai-luminor-submersible-left-handed-titanio-pam569-watch-hands/2/
http://www.9maiali.com/product-panerai-pam-569-luminor-submersible-left-handed-titanio-47mm/
http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/pam-569-submersible-destro-titianium-hobnail-dial-special-ed-47-mm--id2951460.htm?id=2951460&picnum=9&tab=pics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOa7KlKxjPs
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-6488498/ti-938888/t-officine-panerai-2014-panerai-novelty-pam-569-submersible-lefthanded-titanium-47-mm/
http://www.relojes-especiales.com/foros/panerai/panerai-presenta-en-nuevo-panerai-569-left-331095/
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EVALUATIONS:
(**) SUPER REP (ZFac P-series w/P,.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5)
(**) SUPER REP (KW-V6Fac P-series w/P.9000 decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000-V2). Best option in Nov 2015 for A7750 lovers
(**) SUPER REP (KW-V6Fac P-series w/P.9000 decorated Seagull NON-inverted K9000-SeagullV2). Best option in Nov 2015 for Seagull lovers

The gen PAM 571 is a Submersible Luminor 1950 47mm Titanium, fitted with 3 days power reserve Manifattura movement P.9000. It is like a PAM 305, but with solid caseback and with “12” and “6” numerals instead of sticks. It is like a 47mm version of PAM 243 and made of titanium instead of SS.
PAM 571 was introduced in SIHH 2014, P-series, as Unique edition of 50 units, to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the Panerai Classic Yachts Challenge. There is a special engraved “10 Years of Passion” logo on the closed caseback.
2014 marks the milestone 10th anniversary in the partnership between Officine Panerai and the world of classic sailing. Ten years of passion: for the sea, for beauty, for the history of every single one of the boats that has helped turn the Panerai Classic Yachts Challenge into the leading international circuit for classic and vintage yachts. This 10-year anniversary is a testament to Officine Panerai’s long-term commitment to the promotion and preservation of the extraordinary cultural tradition and heritage embodied by the Grandes Dames of the Sea which, in some cases, have been casting their spell over anyone fortunate enough to witness them in
PAM 571 has the classical 47-mm Luminor Submersible case made of brushed titanium, which has hypoallergenic properties as well as extreme corrosion resistance, toughness and lightness. The Submersible is Panerai’s most professional-grade diving watch: the screw-down caseback and the brand’s trademarked crown-guard lever help to give the case its water resistant 300 meters, and the unidirectional rotating bezel enables divers to time their dives. The ratcheting bezel, which has a graduated scale for calculating the time of immersion, clicks into place in one-minute intervals. The watch’s black dial has luminous Arabic numerals and applied indices, a small seconds subdial at 9 o’clock, and a date window at 3 o’clock. The partly skeletonized hour and minute hands are also coated with luminescent material. The sapphire crystal, formed of corundum, is 4 mm thick and has a non reflective coating.
GEN PAM 571 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- echanical, P.9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 197 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, Small Seconds, Date, Calculation of immersion time
CASE- Diameter 47 mm, Brushed Titanium
BEZEL-l Brushed titanium with polished edges. Anti - clockwise rotating bezel with graduated scale
BACK- Screw, Brushed Titanium
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (Protected as a trademark) Brushed Titanium
DIAL- Black with luminous Arabic numerals and applied hour markers. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire crystal formed of corundum
WATER RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~300 metres)
STRAP- Caoutchouc, Black, -/ MM Standard


-ZFac P-series w/P,.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
January 2015- ZFac released a rep PAM 571 P-series correctly made of Titanium. This rep is fitted with a ZP9000-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole” almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9000-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9000 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.

****See below (after the comments about KW-V6Fac w/Seagull) the comparison of this ZFac version with KW-V6Fac versions ****
Evaluation : Super rep, not as well finished or good as KW-V6Fac versions.


-KW-V6Fac P-series w/P.9000 decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000-V2
January 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 571 P-series correctly made of Titanium. This rep is fitted with a KP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, getting a great gen-like appearance. With above mentioned features this KP9000-V2 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the improved Zfac decorated P.9000 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2.5
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed movement KP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5.

**** See below (after the comments about KW-V6Fac w/ Seagull) the comparison of ZFac version with KW-V6Fac versions ****

KW many pics and comments:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/251589-Panerai-571-*****-QC-pics-allowed-***** by PAM1983
More info here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=246404 by Lloydpompeii
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/249166-Panerai-571 by Viper901
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/259108-PAM-571-Super-Rep-Status by umaxim
KW vs. ZFac comments
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/274426-PAM-571P-KW-vs-ZFac by mx974717
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=110659 by mx
Evaluation : Super rep with awesome finish and strong gen-like appearance, superior to ZFac version. The best option in November 2015 for A7750 lovers.


-KW-V6Fac P-series w/P.9000 decorated Seagull NON-inverted K9000-SeagullV2
March 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 571 P-series correctly made of Titanium. This rep is exactly the same as above commented rep, but this new version is fitted with a KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
As above commented this rep is exactly the same as KW version fitted with decorated A7750 but just the movement changes. Therefore the rest of the watch is the same in both KW versions and the comparison review with ZFac, below written, is valid for both KW versions.

**** See below the comparison of ZFac version with KW-V6Fac versions ****

Evaluation : Super rep with awesome finish and strong gen-like appearance, superior to ZFac version and even cheaper. The best option in November 2015 for Seagull lovers.


**** PAM 571 2015 reps - COMPARISON REVIEW ZFac vs.KW-V6Fac ****
MOVEMENT- Since caseback is solid the accuracy of the movement is not decisive. Anyway, ZFac version and KW with Seagull have the most accurate movements.
CASE- Case and lugs are good enough in both makers, KW-V6Fac has more accurate lug shape and lug holes position. Regarding finish KW-V6Fac is better and more consistent
BEZEL- Bezel shape and finish are accurate in both reps. Dot polished markers are accurate in both makers. Numeral markers are nicely made and have accurate fonts shape, but ZFac fonts are thicker than gen and worse finished. Knurling is nicer and better finished in KW-V6Fac (one of the best made in Titanium reps). Outer upper edge of bezel knurling is narrower on ZFac, on KW-V6Fac is nicely made, very well polished and accurate, it gieves to rhe KW rep a nice and awesome appearance. Outer Lower edge of bezel knurling is more accurate in shape than ZFac because KW-V6Fac is usually smaller than gen. I say usually because the last batches have correct and accurate lower edge (KW-V6Fac is a bit inconsistent in this regard. Consult QC pics showed in the links). Bezel black minute markers form 12 to 3 are sharper in ZFac, but are more accurate in length and placement in KW-V6Fac, in real size KW looks more accurate. Pearl is really good in KW-V6Fac, well finished and slightly domed, ZFac pearl is very flat. Both reps have anti-clockwise rotation of 60 clicks like gen.
CASEBACK- Both reps have not perfect but accurate enough caseback. Flaws are evident in an unlikely side by side comparison. The engravings are shallower and less sharp than gen mainly in the ZFac version. Engravings layout is far form perfect but much better in KW-V6Fac. Fonts are also better in KW-V6Fac. The “Yacht” draw after the “10” and the “sea line” are inaccurate (really fatter) in ZFac, where the right side of the yacht sails engraving is touching the prow (in gen and KW they are clearly detached). Threfore KW-V6Fac has better caseback overall accuracy.
CROWN GUARD – CROWN- Crown is accurate in both reps, not as nicely polished as gen but good enough. The CG shape is accurate in both versions, but as you can see in below comparison pics, ZFac is clearly taller and has higher “hole” than gen and KW-V6Fac.Overall finish is really good in both watches, but ZFac has made a big effort and reaches a great level of quality, even superior to KW-V6Fac. Chamfered corners are also well made, but again ZFac gets better finish and accuracy in this regard. Talking about REG. T.M. engravings KW-V6Fac is the winner with very accurate fonts, placement, sharpness and depth. CG pin is very accurate in both versions, flushed, polished and slightly chamfered in the top surface. CG lever is better in ZFac, with more accurate roller support and better tip shape, Kw-V6Fac lever tip is longer, narrower and with sharper edges than gen. ZFac lever tip is not at all perfect but is overall more accurate.

PAM 571 CROWN GUARD - ZFac – GEN – KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

No clear winner in this regard, because ZFac has some advantages but the bigger shape is a big and noticeable flaw.
DIAL- Overall layout is really good in both versions, no visible differences or flaws. Dot markers are nicely made with accurate polished contours and nicely applied lume, maybe more accurate and rounded like gen in KW-V6Fac. Numeral markers are accurate in both versions (maybe a little bit thicker than gen) with correct colour and very similar lume application. Date window and fonts are very similar in both reps and accurate enough at real size, colour is a bit ecru like gen and with some variations between rep batches (no noticeable differences). Inscriptions are raised and a bit glossy like gen, both versions have accurate fonts (with pointy “R” tail), colour and placement, a nice job from both makers. Subdial is nicely made, recessed, with correct paint and lume application, accurate with no visible concentric circles like gen.
CRYSTAL- Crystal is accurate in both versions with correct thickness and AR colourless coating. No remarkable differences
HANDS AND CANNON PINION- Accurate skeleton hands in both versions with nice lume application , ZFac hand lume colour is a bit lighter than lume on dots and numeral markers. CP is really good in KW-V6Fac, ZFac CP is the weird model with raised rim contour usual in this maker. Therefore KW-V6Fac is the clear winner in this regard.
LUME- better application and colour in KW-V6Fac with more uniform intensity in darkness.
STRAP- Nice rubber accordion Submersible strap in both reps, not as smooth and flexible as gen is but good and accurate enough.

CONCLUSIONS: Very nice job from both makers. Taking advantage of the closed caseback we have got two new Super reps, with some clear advantages for the KW-V6Fac version (CP, bezel knurling, pearl, lug shape, overall finish…..), even cheaper with Seagull movement.


PAM 571
REPLICA links:
-ZFac P-series w/P,.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5
(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam571-p-titanium-v6f-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-p9000/
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1378
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/1864-pam571-p-titanium-zf-1-1-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-zp9000.html

-KW-V6Fac P-series w/P.9000 decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000-V2
(**)http://www.kuvarsit.watch/kw-products/panerai/1-1-kw-pam571-submersible-special-edition-titanium.-p.9000-movement../(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam571-p-titanium-v6f-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-p9000/
(**)http://www.tswatch.club/16243-pa16243-pam571-p-v6f-1-1-best-titanium-ru-p9000.html
(**)http://www.7750asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3417 (**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=12988

-KW-V6Fac P-series w/P.9000 decorated Seagull NON-inverted K9000-SeagullV2
(**)http://www.kuvarsit.watch/kw-products/panerai/1-1-kw-pam571-submersible-special-edition-titanium.-p.9000-movement../ (Optional)
(**)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2018-pam571-p-titanium-v6f-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-p9000.html
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13173

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_372.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/special-editions/2014/luminor-submersible-1950-3-days-automatic-titanio---47mm---pcyc-_pam00571.search.html?search=571&case=0&movement=0&function=0&casediameter=0&material=0&color=0&setTop=setTopSearch
http://watch-test.com/2014/04/paner...0-anos-de-su-trofeo-classic-yachts-challenge/
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=346548
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1403573073/PAM+571+x+PAM+305.+Like+in+twins,+there+are+many+diferences!
http://www.nantucketcommunitysailing.org/uploaded_files/pcyc_2014_north_american_circuit_announcement_CWyZwl.pdf
http://www.watchtime.com/watch-to-w...ys-automatic-titanio-pcyc-10-year-of-passion/
12-5

EVALUATION: Nice and very good watch. Just a GOOD but inaccurate replica (KW P-series with decorated mvmnt.)
The gen PAM 590 is a Luminor Marina 44mm 8 days with the historic circular 8 Giorni Brevettato logo @3. Released in 2014 in a Limited edition of 1000 pcs. Initially to be bought only in US boutiques.
PAM 590 belongs to 8 days Luminor series released in 2013 PAM 510-511 and 2014 PAM 560-561-563-562-564, but it is a special watch different from all 8 days above mentioned: The PAM 590 has solid caseback with pig engraved, black dial, sausage creamy lume and “8 Giorni Brevettato” historic circular vintage logo @3. It’s a very clean classic look from Panerai when compared to the other SIHH 2014 releases.
PAM 590 is a throwback, in a contemporary key, to the PAM203 which was one of the original Brevettato models that is highly sought after because of the history and Angelus SF 240 movement and limited nature of the watch (Limited to only 150). Panerai has wanted to offer this possibility of a watch a bit more accessible to the masses.
Although PAM 590 really remember the PAM 203 there are few things in common except the 8 Giorni logo, but since we have not seen that element often, we automatically think of the PAM 203.
The PAM 203 has a 47mm case and with different shape, it has the 3 & 9 visible on the dial (with the PAM 590 it’s clear to see they removed the 3 & 9 and put in the small seconds hand and 8 Giorni Brevettato logo), dial is brown instead of black , has golden hands instead of black and sandwich structure with white–greenish lume instead of sausage creamy patina lume. Indeed PAM 390 has a specially deep sausage lume structure, see the deep markers cavities for lume in below pic

GEN PAM 590 – DEEP SAUSAGE LUME DIAL – BLACK COLOUR DIAL in comparison with Brown dial of Gen PAM 562

There are some doubts about the colour of PAM 590 gen dial. But above pic shows a direct side by side comparison between a PAM 562 Titanium fitted with brown dial and the dial of PAM 590 which is obviously black.
Like all 8 days 2013-2104, PAM 590 is fitted with the Manifattura 8 days movement P.5000. The power reserve of the P.5000 hand-wound manufacture movement is indeed eight days, a historic tribute to the long power reserve which was a characteristic of the period examples with Angelus movements, the first which also had the small seconds counter.
The vintage fascination of the PAM 590 and its ability to retell the glorious history of the brand is also expressed in the engraving in the centre of the case back. This shows a human torpedo “pig” (Siluro a Lenta Corsa or S.L.C.), the means of attack used by the commandos of the Italian Navy in carrying out their underwater missions. This evocative element will certainly fascinate the many enthusiasts of the brand in North America, where the new Luminor Marina 8 Days will be sold in an exclusive preview.
GEN PAM 390 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.5000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 15¾ lignes, 4.5 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. KIF® Parechoc anti-shock device. Power reserve 8 days, two barrels. 127 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, minutes, small seconds.
CASE- Diameter 44 mm, AISI 316L polished steel.
BEZEL- Polished steel.
BACK- Screw, brushed steel.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (protected as a trademark) Brushed steel.
DIAL- Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers. Seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, made of corundum, 2.5 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~ 300 metres).
STRAP-PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal polished steel buckle. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.
May 2014- KW released a replica PAM 390 P-series. It really should be Q-series since the watch is from 2014
This replica is fitted with a decorated A6497-2 movement like P.5000. The movement in these replicas is the decorated KW V2, which has been improved in relation to KW V1, with better jewels shape and some more accurate bridges including balance cock. Differences are not big but they are enough to get a more accurate movement. See below pics:

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – WATCHES PLACED IN THE SAME POSITION (In order to see the different placement of movements)

In above pics both watches are placed in the same position (see CGs green encirled). We can see the different placement of the whole movement and the Balance wheels @7 and@11.
This decorated movement is a very good step to get the P.5000 appearance and for a no trained eye it is almost impossible to see differences in a no side by side comparison. In below pics Gen watch is turned to match gen and rep movement position (see CGs green encircled in different positions). In this way we can compare the movements in parallel. You can see there is a great similarity

KW V2 DECORATED A6497-2 MOVEMENT LIKE P.5000 – GEN WATCH IS TURNED TO MACTH MOVEMENT POSITIONS (In order to see the similarity of decorated movement with gen)

Anyway there are differences as follows:
-Decorated KW movement has not,obviously, 8 days of Power reserve
-Balance wheel position @ 11 instead of @7 (as above said)
-Replica has a conventional “big”6497 Balance wheel, whereas gen has a little variable inertia balance wheel. This difference is the most noticeable in the rep movement.
-Balance cock (the bridge with the Incabloc over the BW), although has been improved to V2, has very different shape and Incablock support in the rep due to necessities of 6497 movement. Thi sis also noticeable but a bit more accurate than in V1 version.
-Some differences in bridges shape and jewels placements due to a different movement of base.
-Although the finish of rep bridges is very good, as usually in KW decorations, gen bridges have nicer, more uniform and more fine brushed and the edges are better defined and bevelled and mainly more nicely polished. Anyway the rep appearance in real size is awesome and reaches a gen-like level more than acceptable.
-Inscriptions on bridges have good finish, but are thicker and not as nice as gen. Due to the structure of 6497 movement, the rep inscriptions are placed clearly outwards, for this reason they are a bit bigger than gen to get the same appearance and not to leave longer spaces between prints. But this is only noticeable in side by side comparisons, because the inscriptions are not inverted like in P.9000 decorations.
Anyway, this is one of the most accurate (in appearance, because it has not the Power Reserve of the gen) of rep decorated movements on first quarter 2014, together with KW P.2002/9 fitting KW PAM 346, even superior in appearance to clone P.3000 of PAM 372 (but this movement has a PR close to the gen).
Regarding old Luminor 44mm case-set fitting this watch, KW version is already well known and with a very good reputation of awesome finish, solid gen-like appearance and some inaccuracies in lugs as all rep Luminor case-sets at this moment. For more info about this case-set you can read here the complete review of ALE-Klockis:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=150417 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=56032&pid=932572&st=0&#entry932572 by Klockis-ALE
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=209577 by Klockis-ALE
Unfortunately, the case-set of gen 8 days series is a bit different from the old Luminor 44mm. The new 8 days P.5000 movement is thinner than old Unitas 6497-2, this smaller thickness allows a thinner case in the new gen 8 days series, with different lugs shape, new bezel also is thinner but with wider base, and the crystal is almost flush with the bezel. KW is using for its 8 days replicas the same case-set and crystal as “old” Luminor 44mm. It is no easy to see the differences without knowing them and without a side by side comparison, but they exist.
See some pics and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=192007 by ALE
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1407933439/Luminor+vs+Luminor+8+Days+~+PAM+546+-+PAM+590
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=68428563
Inscriptions, markers and 8 Giorni logo on dial are accurate enough.
Seconds @9 subdial due to different movement is placed a little outwards.
Rest of dial layout is correct. Only L SWISS MADE L inscription is placed clearly to the left side and a bit lower.
Like all rep sausage dials PAM 390 has inaccurate sausage lume structure of application different from gen. Moreover, in this case Gen PAM 590 has specially deep cavities for lume material, and lume seems really recessed in relation of the dial surface, as we can see in gen pic published above. Therefore, due to this rep has the usual rep raised lume very “sausage” shaped, and gen is specially deep, rep lume application structure of PAM 590 is more inaccurate in comparison with other sausage dials.
Another issue is the rep brown dial, whereas, as we have above seen, the gen has clearly a black dial.
Production number on caseback has wrong letter of the year:“P” instead of “Q”. Caseback engravings are a bit less sharp and deep as gen. Following the first pics of PAM 590, caseback is wrong because rep has the caseback structure from a rep PAM 390 with a bigger PIG logo. Pendingto be confirmed with more pics of real gen 590 watches (all seen have Pig logosmaller).
Rep hands are Pre-V type whereas gen hands are modern type, being located on the dial is a serious issue for a replica.
It is a shame because the watch is very well manufactured and gets an impressive level of quality and gen-like appearance, but there are many flaws to get a First Class rep evaluation, added to a nice but obviously rep movement without great Power Reserve
Very good watch and just a good and nice replica due to several evident issues.
More info and comments here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=183411 by tom_cat
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231347 by Zen6152

May 2014- Puretime announces that ZFac is working in a PAM 510 with corrected case-set. As above said first KW releases of 8 days PAM reps came with the same case-set as old Luminor 44mm. Therefore this new 8days ZFac version, always following Puretime indications, will be way closer to gen. Besides, Puretime says that this new ZFac Pam 510 will be fitted with a real 8 days movement without more explanations. The release is expected in about three four months. Since new PAM 8 days 510-511-560-561-563 and PAM 590 have the same caseset and movement we should also expect new versions of all these watches.
More info and comments here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=231981 by Fuzzer
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=184326 by thedonsl

PAM 590
REPLICA links:
http://www.kuvarsit.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=32290 KW decorated mvmnt.
http://pure-time.com/product/pam590-p-luminor-8-giorni-brevettato-on-asso-strap-p5000/ KW decorated mvmnt.
http://pure-time.com/product/pam590-p-luminor-8-giorni-brevettato-on-brown-croco-leather-strap-p5000/ KW decorated mvmnt.
http://www.tswatchltd.com/15649-pa15649-pam590-p-8-days-giorni-brevettato-ss-p5000.html KW decorated mvmnt.
http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?P_id=3146&ti= KW decorated mvmnt.
http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+590&product_id=1055 KW decorated mvmnt.
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_55&products_id=12014 KW decorated mvmnt.
http://www.pf-818.com/pn59001-days-ssle-black-a6497p5000-21600b-p-15748.html KW decorated mvmnt.
GEN links:
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor/673-luminor-marina-8-days-acciaio-pam00590
http://www.paneraicentral.com/2014/01/sihh2014-panerai-luminor-8-giorni-brevettato-pam590/
http://panerai.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-717/pi-6430998/ti-931818/t-officine-panerai-heres-the-new-44mm-panerai-pam590-luminor-8-days-acciaio-with-p5000-movement/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1390302461/New+Release+44mm+Luminor+8+Giorni+Brevettato
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f75/pam-590-mini-me-203-a-972565.html
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/introducing-the-panerai-luminor-marina-8-days-acciaio-a-north-america-exclusive-with-in-house-movement
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EVALUATIONS:
(*) FIRST ClASS REP BORDERING LOWER STATUS ( ZFac R-series w/ P.3000 Clone4 ) The best option from March 2015
GOOD REP BORDERING FIRST CLASS REP STATUS ( SF R-series w/ P.3000 Clone4 )
JUST A GOOD REP ( KW-V6Fac R-series w/ P.3000 decorated A6497 )

The gen PAM 604 is a Radiomir 47mm made of SS, fitted with a 3 days Manifattura movement P.3000, it was introduced in 2015 (R-series) as a Limited Edition of 99 units to be sold only in Firenze Panerai Boutique. For this reason this watch was called FIRENZE and features a case with hand made engraving decoration exclusive for this watch, this is really the artistic value of the watch. Panerai claims that a single artist must work for about a week to produce the decoration on the steel case - which is extra tough because the case is in fact in steel. Most metals which are engraved in the world of watch making are brass or 18k gold, because they are softer. The hardness of steel makes it more difficult to engrave and requires special tools. Such tools make for a less forgiving engraving experience, so the artists need to be very careful, because mistakes can mean they need to start over again.
The tactile experience of the engraving is very fine. Running your finger over the work doesn't allow you to really feel the engravings, which is nice. They are filled in with a black material which not only adds a welcome contrast to seeing the work, but also protects the engravings over time. The overall presentation is very good and akin to what you'd find on high-end engraved blades and guns.
From a design perspective, the engravings are a nice mixture of the traditional, yet appropriate for the design of such a masculine watch. There is a floral motif - but just a little bit. I do find the designs to be extremely tasteful and like how Panerai was able to find space all over the dial surface as well as the crown.
The gold-toned hands, matching the tan color lume, sandwiched between the black dial planes makes for an extremely classic look. Especially when the dial is wonderfully symmetrical with just the hour and minute hands. This is the dress equivalent of a sports watch. Panerai uses a sapphire crystal domed like Plexi crystal used in PAM 448, 449 and similar.
Even though the Radiomir case is 47mm wide, it does not wear as large as one might expect. This is mostly because of the bar-style lugs which do not really jut out (as they do on the Radiomir 1940 case style). That means the lug-to-lug length on the watch isn't dramatically more than the case width. This, in addition to the flat caseback makes for an extremely comfortable fit on the wrist when it comes to the Radiomir 47mm case.
GEN PAM 604 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT-Hand-wound mechanical, P.3000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 16½ lignes, 5.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 160 components.
FUNCTIONS-Hours, Minutes
CASE- Diameter 47mm, AISI 316L Brushed Steel. Engraved
BEZEL-Polished Steel.
CASEBACK- See - through sapphire crystal
SANDWICH DIAL - Black sun-brushed with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire crystal formed of corundum
WATER-RESISTANCE- 10 bar (~100 metres)
STRAP- Black alligator, Beige, STD, 27/22, BA, Radiomir 42-45-47mm
BUCKLE- Trapezoidal polished steel, 22mm


-ZFac R-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
March 2015 - ZFac released a rep of PAM 604 R-series fitted with P.3000 Clone4 movement. This rep movement P.3000 Clone4 is the last evolution of the first P.3000 Clone started in December 2013 with the rep PAM 372. This first Clone was perfectly reviewed for Rolexman in below links:
* Review of the P.3000 Clone movement by Rolexman *
http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/166048-movement-review-pam-372-p3000-super-clone/
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=168936&p=1704599#post-1704599
The subsequent improvements are always decorative, therefore above review is valid for Clone2, Clone3 and Clone4 versions
The differences are explained by ALE in below thread:
Evolution of P.3000 Clone movements - From Clone1 to Clone 4
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/204321-*PCTeam*-Evolution-of-P-3000-Clone-movements-From-Clone1-to-Clone-4 by ALE
See below the comparison of P.3000 Clone3 and Clone4 with gen P.3000

P.3000 CLONE - CLONE3 – CLONE4 – GEN COMPARISON

This Clone movement has about 150 hrs of Power Reserve and after several years of working in the market without serious claims or breakdowns, we can conclude that this P.3000 Clone is reliable enough and we can expect a correct working at the same (or better) level than other good rep movements.
The first version )from March 2015) had some flaws in caseback and in the “flower” engraving of the crown, few time after the release ZFac corrected those initial flaws and released a V2 version. To avoid confusion with other versions, since there are other version which people call V2, and bearing in mind that that first version lasted few time, we will talk from this moment about the definitive version from ZFac

**** See below (after the comments about KW-V6Fac version) the comparison of this SF version with ZFac and KW-V6Fac versions, with pros and cons ****

ZFac sells this watch with Plexi (cheaper version) or sapphire crystal, since the gen is sapphire I would avoid the Plexi crystal because it is really different from the gen.
Evaluation : This ZFac version has a good Clone movement, the best sunburst effect, accurate numeral makers, the best RADIOMIR PANEARI engraving, the best and more uniform lume, the nicest case decoration engravings, but the worst hands and the worst CP (few noticeable). Good qualities but also important flaws, maximum First Class rep bordering lower status (obviously sapphire version). The best option from March 2015
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=208316 by Rusky91
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=248394 by maclee
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=249508 by elmerpr
Nice pictorial:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/215754-Pam-604-ZF-Photo-shoot by panasol
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=250086 by panasol
Some mods:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=251808 by Electric0ant


-SF R-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
May 2015- SF released a rep of PAM 604 R-series fitted with P.3000 Clone4 movement. This rep movement P.3000 Clone4 is the last evolution of the first P.3000 Clone started in December 2013 with the rep PAM 372. This first Clone was perfectly reviewed for Rolexman in below links:
* Review of the P.3000 Clone movement by Rolexman *
http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/166048-movement-review-pam-372-p3000-super-clone/
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=168936&p=1704599#post-1704599
The subsequent improvements are always decorative, therefore above review is valid for Clone2, Clone3 and Clone4 versions
The differences are explained by ALE in below thread:
Evolution of P.3000 Clone movements - From Clone1 to Clone 4
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/204321-*PCTeam*-Evolution-of-P-3000-Clone-movements-From-Clone1-to-Clone-4 by ALE
See below the comparison of P.3000 Clone3 and Clone4 with gen P.3000

P.3000 CLONE - CLONE3 – CLONE4 – GEN COMPARISON

This Clone movement has about 150 hrs of Power Reserve and after several years of working in the market without serious claims or breakdowns, we can conclude that this P.3000 Clone is reliable enough and we can expect a correct working at the same (or better) level than other good rep movements.

**** See below (after the comments about KW-V6Fac version) the comparison of this ZFac version with SF and KW-V6Fac versions, with pros and cons ****

Evaluation : This SF version has a good Clone movement, acceptable sunburst effect, acceptable case decoration engravings, acceptable CP and correct production engravings on the back. But it has unacceptable wrong numeral markers, inaccurate hands and sloppy decoration engravings in relation to ZFac. Not bad rep but with important flaws, maximum Good rep bordering First Class status.


-KW-V6Fac R-series w/ P.3000 decorated A6497
August 2015- KW-V6Fac release a rep PAM 604 R-series fitted with a decorated A6497 like P.3000, quite inaccurate, even this version has wrong blue bridges screws. This is a reliable but very inaccurate movement already used like rep of P.3000 in several reps from Noob and KW-V6Fac. The differences from gen P.3000 are evident with no necessary explanations.

**** See below (after the comments about this version) the comparison of this KW-V6Fac version with SF and ZFac versions, with pros and cons ****

Evaluation: This KW-V6 version has nice numeral markers on dial, nice CP, nicely rounded cutouts and the best FIRENZE engraving on dial. But the decorated movement is really inaccurate (besides with blue screws), crystal is a wrong and inaccurate Plexi, RADIOMIR PANERAI engraving is the worst of three 2015 versions and the case decoration engravings are not as good as in other versions. Just a Good rep without more ambitions.
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/250644-Pam-604-kw-v6f?p=2365986by Chel



**** PAM 604 2015 reps - COMPARISON REVIEW ZFac vs. SF vs. KW-V6Fac ****

MOVEMENT
As above already commented, Zfac and SF are fitted with the same rep movement P.3000 Cone4. KW-V6Fac has a reliable but very inaccurate decorated A6497 like P.3000, therefore since this watch has display caseback the advantage of ZFac and SF over KW-V6 is really evident without more explanations
DIAL LAYOUT- Is good in three reps without any important remarks
DIAL SUNBURST EFFECT
-ZFac effect is evident but slightly less marked than gen. The best sunburst effect of three reps studied
-SF effect exists but is less evident than in ZFac version and gen
-KW-V6 effect is in the same level of SF a bit inferior than in ZFac
DIAL NUMERAL MARKERS
-ZFac numeral markers are accurate, although a tad thicker (few noticeable): “12” is good enough, “3” is a bit different but few noticeable, “6” and “9” are much more accurate than SF version, because the inner middle stroke goes farther and the numeral looks more “closed”, just like gen.
-SF numeral markers are not completely accurate: “12” is good enough, “3” is a bit different but few noticeable, “6” and “9” are very different because the inner middle stroke is shorter than gen and the numeral looks more “open” (very noticeable). See inaccurate orange contoured markers in below comparison pics.
KW-V6 numeral markers are accurate either shape fonts or thickness. The more accurate of three 2015 versions.
See below comparison pics

DIAL MARKERS – GEN – ZFAc – SF – KW-V6 COMPARISON

SANDWICH DIAL CUTOUTS- Gen Sandwich cutouts are rounded, a bit glossy and very nicely finished (almost polished). The inner vertical walls of the cutouts are really smooth. ZFac and SF rep sandwich cutouts are completely sharp and the inner vertical walls are very rough compared with gen ones. Only KW-V6 has a bit rounded edges, although no glossy, and they look more accurate than other 2015 versions. See below comparison pics.

DIAL SANDWICH CUTOUTS – GEN – ZFAc – SF – KW-V6 COMPARISON

DIAL RADIOMIR PANERAI ENGRAVINGS
Gen engravings are more deep and overall more sharper and definied and very nicely made. Rep are less sharp and defined and have less uniformity.
-ZFac RADIOMIR PANERAI engravings are a litte bit thicker than gen. But are deeper than SF version and almost like gen. The central horizontal strokes of “P”, “R” and “A” fonts are placed a little bit lower, but less than the other versions, they are more accurate in this version. The best engravings in PAM 604 2105 reps.
-SF RADIOMIR PANERAI engravings are shallower and thinner than gen, some fonts are inaccurate: “A” has the horizontal bar placed lower, “P” and “R” have the inner hole bigger than gen and not only due to the thickness but due to the lower placement of the central horizontal stroke. The second “I” of RADIOMIR is crooked and of the center.
-KW-V6 RADIOMIR PANERAI engraving is shallower and thinner than gen, some fonts are inaccurate: “A” have the horizontal bar placed really lower, “R” have the inner hole bigger than gen and not only due to the thickness but due to the lower placement of the central horizontal stroke. “E” has shorter central stroke and is placed closer to the “R”. The worst engraving of three reps IMO.
DIAL FIRENZE ENGRAVINGS
Gen engravings are more deep and overall more sharper and definied and very nicely made. Rep are less sharp and defined and have less uniformity.
-ZFac FIRENZE engraving is almost as deep as gen, just a bit thicker than gen, but fonts shape is accurate enough.
-SF FIRENZE engraving is shallower and a bit thicker than gen, but fonts shape is accurate enough.
-KW-V6 FIRENZE engraving is shallower but the thickness is accurate with gen, fonts shape is also quite accurate (just “E” have a little bit shorter central stroke, few noticeable). Maybe the best FIRENZE of three reps.
LUME AND ENGRAVING COLOURS - Lume and engravings colours are accurate enough in three reps. But charged lume of the hands is sometimes darker than markers lume in SF and KW-V6Fac. ZFac is the winner in this regard.
CANNON PINION AND HANDS
-ZFac CP is smaller than gen, but it has also the typical ZF weird raised rim contour and the size looks like gen, it is flattened and polished. I never like this ZFac CP, but the rim is less noticeable in this rep and looks nice enough. Hands are clearly shorter than gen even more than SF ones. Hands lume is clearly wider than gen in both hands.
-SF CP is much smaller than gen but nicely flattened and polished. Hands are clearly shorter than gen but less than ZFac ones. Hands lume is wider than gen mainly in minute hand.
-KW-V6Fac CP is a little bit smaller than gen, although the most accurate of three reps, it is flattened and polished. Hands have the most accurate length of three versions and hands lume is accurate in hour hand and a bit narrower is minute hand. Threfore the most accurate hands and CP of three 2015 reps.
CASEBACK
-ZFac caseback engravings are shallower than gen and SF version. Very similar to KW. SF is better in this regard.
-SF caseback engravings are the best of PAM 604 2015 reps, because they are bolder than other versions, just like gen
-KW-V6 caseback engravings are shallower than gen and SF version. Very similar to ZFac. SF is better in this regard.
CRYSTAL- Gen crystal is domed sapphire. ZFac and SF have also domed sapphire crystal, but ZFac offers also a domed Plexi cheap and inaccurate version. KW-V6Fac has only inaccurate domed Plexi cheap crystal without sapphire option. I would avoid Plexi crystals because they are not gen-like and inaccurate.
CASE AND BEZEL SHAPE- Three reps have accurate bezel and case shape, may be SF has smoother cushion edges and corners (more accurate) followed for ZFac and then KW-V6 which has the more squared corners. But above commented is few noticeable and variable between batches. We can say that three reps are accurate enough in this regard.
SPECIAL PAM 604 CASE ENGRAVINGS- Gen engravings are hand made and therefore each unit will have different engravings. Gen engravings are nicely hand made and, due to that, they present some disparities characteristic of this type of craftsmanship, but the result is uniform, without flaws, with sharp and defined comtours and the black background is smooth. There are many fine details and many slim strokes in gen engravings of the case. Rep engravings are better than expected for a rep, but have less nice contours than gen, less clean manufacture, worse finish, less detailed strokes, less slim strokes in the draw, some sloppy parts, the black background is mot as smooth as gen and has some lumps in the surface. As you can see in below comparison pics, ZFac has overall the best engravings, more accurate, sharper and cleaner than other versions. SF rep has less accurate engravings, they are sloppier and less clean and the background is more lumpy and dirty, they have also less detailed draw. KW-V6 is more accurate and clean but this is due to have much less details.

PAM 604 CASE ENGRAVINGS – GEN – ZFAc – SF – KW-V6 COMPARISON

The crown is also engraved with a “flower” instead of the typical OP logo. The worst “flower” is from SF. ZFac and Kw-V6 have similar “flowers” which are accurate enough at real size but not perfert. Anyway gen “flower” will not be always the same due to hand made engraving. You can see the differences in above comparison pic
Although ZFac has overall the most accurate engraving of the case, has an important flaw because the case engraving under the crown is completely different from gen. This was explained by electri0ant y below post:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=250086&p=2660676&viewfull=1#post2660676 by Electric0ant
Below comparison pics are showing the differences.

CASE ENGRAVINGS UNDER THE CROWN – GEN – ZFAc – SF – KW-V6 COMPARISON

You can see that ZFac part under the crown is completely different from gen, KW-V6 is similar to gen but still inaccurate. SF is the only version with accurate engraving under the crown.
Therefore, aside the part under the crown, Zfac has overall the best engraving of three reps, and with nice appearance enough.
PRODUCTION NUMBER AND OTHER BACK ENGRAVINGS- The correct production engraving of a PAM 604 should be R XX/99, since is a watch from 2015 and with 99 units of limited production. PAM 604 back has also OP6808 engraving and 100m waterproof engraving with the typical “fish”. Only SF has the correct production engraving and OP and 100m. ZFac has OP and 100m engraving with “fish” but production engraving has XX/99 without the R of 2015 year. KW has not any engravings on the back. Therefore the only accurate would be SF.
STRAP BUCKLE- Gen buckle is without engravings. Therefore the rep engraved buckles are not gen-like and you can (you should??) avoid them.

After above review is clear that ZFac is overall superior to the other versions, but aside a non perfect Clone movement, it has also other important flaws to get an evaluation of First Class rep of high or medium level, it is First Class bordering a lower status. SF and KW-V6 cannot reach the First Class rep status, although SF is near of it.


PAM 604
REPLICA links:
-PAM 604 ZFac R-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
(*)http://puretime.watch/product/pam604-radiomir-firenze-3-days-zf-best-edition-p3000-super-clone-v2/
(*)http://www.tswatch.club/16384-pa16384-pam604-radiomir-firenze-3-days-zf-1-1-p3000.html
(*)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1448
(*)http://www.7750asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3446
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/1936-pam604-o-zf-best-edition-on-black-leather-strap-p3000-super-clone.html
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13188

-PAM 604 SF R-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
http://puretime.watch/product/pam604-radiomir-firenze-3-days-sf-best-edition-p3000-super-clone-v2/
http://www.tswatch.club/17061-pa17061-pam604-radiomir-firenze-3-days-sf-1-1-p3000.html

-PAM 604 KW-V6Fac R-series w/ P.3000 decorated A6497
http://www.kuvarsit.watch/panerai/radiomir/panerai-pam604-radiomir-frenze-best-edition-from-kw/
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1697
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2241-pam604-radiomir-firenze-v6-p3000-super-clone.html
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=14528

GEN links:
http://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai-radiomir-firenze-3-days-acciaio-pam604-limited-edition-engraved-watch-hands/
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/sihh/sihh-2015-panerai-pam-604-radiomir-firenze-3-days-acciaio/
http://timeandtidewatches.com/hands-on-the-panerai-radiomir-firenze-3-days-acciaco-pam604/
https://erwangrey.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/panerai-radiomir-firenze-3-days-pam604/
http://www.panerainovelties.com/en/watch/pam00604.php
http://www.watchprosite.com/?page=wf.forumpost&fi=717&ti=970988&pi=6774928
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1448908332/last-1449242299/View+entire+thread
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/introducing-the-panerai-radiomir-firenze-3-days
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EVALUATIONS:
GOOD WATCH but LOW GRADE rep ( SF Q-series w/ P.3000 Clone4 )
GOOD REP ( KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated A6497-2 )
(*)FIRST CLASS REP Bordering lower status ( ZFac Q-series w/ P.3000 Clone4 )

The gen PAM 605 is a not a Limited Edition but a Limited production watch of 99 pieces per year starting in 2014 Q-series to be sold just in Panerai Florence Boutique. It has a Luminor 1950 47mm case like PAM 372 and is fitted wit the same movement P.3000 Manifattura PANERAI. It is like a PAM 372 but with a FIRENZE engraving added, a magnificent and exclusive grey dial with a nice sunburst effect and also an exclusive grey Asso strap matching the fantastic dial. Q and R (first units) series are fitted with a domed Plexi crystal, last R series onwards are fitted with a domed sapphire.
GEN PAM 605 TECHNICAL DETAILS
Movement: Hand-wound mechanical, P.3000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 16½ lignes, 5.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 160 components.
Functions: Hours, Minutes
Bezel: Polished Steel
Back: See - through sapphire crystal
Device protecting the crown (protected as a trademark): Brushed Steel
Dial: Anthracite sun-brushed sandwich dial with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers.
Water Resistance: 10 bar (~100 metres)
Strip: Calf Assolutamente, Black, Ecru, 26/22 MM Standard


-PAM 605 SF Q-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
June 2015-. SF released aq rep of PAM 605 Q-series fitted with the P.3000 Clone4. The best P.3000 rep clone version at this moment

REVIEW: You can see below the review and comparison of SF, KW-V6Fac and ZFac 2015 versions

This rep is nicely made but has inaccurate case and dial and many flaws for a current PAM rep. We can say it is a nice watch with an accurate and good movement but a low grade rep.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/199844-NEW-(gen)-PAM605-372-with-BLUE-dial! by silverclaw (KW version from post #121)
Straps suggestions for 605
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/256738-Strap-suggestions-for-605?p=2411374#post-2411374 by rockectdogbert
which version to buy?
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=108735&pid=1720306&st=0&#entry1720306 by Dorian84


-PAM 605 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated A6497-2
August 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep of PAM 605 Q-series fitted with the reliable but inaccurate old version of decorated like P.3000 movement based on A6497-2. This is the same movement used for the first good reps of PAMs with P.3000. As above commented a reliable movement but really inaccurate despite the decoration.
Definitive Comparison review KW-V6Fac with gen
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/267635-Gen-PAM605-VS-KW-V6F-PAM605-finally-) by Evora

REVIEW: You can see below the review and comparison of SF, KW-V6Fac and ZFac 2015 versions

This rep is very nicely made, with a strong gen-like appearance with accurate caseset. Unfortunately the inaccurate dial and inscriptions colour and the inaccurate movement downgrade a lot the evaluation. Just a Good rep.
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/199844-NEW-(gen)-PAM605-372-with-GREY-dial! by silverclaw (KW version from post #254)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/199844-NEW-(gen)-PAM605-372-with-GREY-dial!?p=2372266&viewfull=1#post-2372266 by Chel
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=256875&p=2699420#post2699420 by THXuk
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=107157 by ShadyManc
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/266394-Just-received-KW-605by onlytheone
which version to buy?
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=108735&pid=1720306&st=0&#entry1720306 by Dorian84
Comparison post of KW and ZFac
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/266394-Just-received-KW-605?p=2505632&viewfull=1#post-2505632 by pretender
Nice pictorial and mini-review
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=106531 by simonbolivar
http://watchbus.net/forum.php?mod=vi...extra=page%3D1
Straps suggestions for 605
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/256738-Strap-suggestions-for-605?p=2411374#post-2411374 by rockectdogbert


-PAM 605 ZFac Q-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
October 2015- ZFac released aq rep of PAM 605 Q-series fitted with the P.3000 Clone4. The best P.3000 rep clone version at this moment

REVIEW: You can see below the review and comparison of SF, KW-V6Fac and ZFac 2015 versions

This is the best PAM 605 2015 rep. Unfortunately it has still many flaws like the most inaccurate case, some inaccuracies on dial and inscriptions, ugly CP. But has accurate dial appearance and colours (leaving aside the grey colour of L SWISS MADE L inscription), very good construction and good and accurate movement. We can evaluate it as a First Class rep bordering lower status, always being a bit generous.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/245426-ZF-Pam-605-V2-coming-soon?p=2333580#post-2333580 by thedonsi
All versions:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/199844-NEW-(gen)-PAM605-372-with-GREY-dial! by silverclaw (ZFac version from post #543)
which version to buy?
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=108735&pid=1720306&st=0&#entry1720306 by Dorian84
Comparison post of KW and ZFac
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/266394-Just-received-KW-605?p=2505632&viewfull=1#post-2505632 by pretender
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/275131-Pam-605-ZF-Factory-Thoughts by Maitiu
Straps suggestions for 605
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/256738-Strap-suggestions-for-605?p=2411374#post-2411374 by rockectdogbert


**** PAM 605 2015 reps - COMPARISON REVIEW SF vs. KW-V6Fac vs. ZFac ****

The main source for below review is the magnificent evora’s comparison review of KW-V6Fac rep with his gen.
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/267635-Gen-PAM605-VS-KW-V6F-PAM605-finally-) by evora
Many of the pìcs below showed are extracted from above commented evora’s review.

CASE AND BEZEL:
As you can see in below comparison pic the KW-V6Fac case is really accurate, thickness, cushion edged shape, lugs, bezel… everything is very gen-like.

PAM 605- CASE-BEZEL COMPARISON GEN- KW-V6Fac

But the case and lugs of SF and ZFac versions are different. As we can see in below comparison pic there are noticeable differences.
KW-V6Fac and SF have the same accurate cushion shape, whereas ZFac has really different and inaccurate cushion shape. See green arrows
The only accurate lugs are KW-V6Fac ones. The upper curve is more pronounced in SF and more curved at the point and after flatter in ZFac, last both really inaccurate (See yellow arrows). The lower curve is more pronounced in SF and similar in ZFac (See orange arrows). SF and Zfac lugs are overall thinner than gen and KW. Anyway the inaccuracy of SF and ZFac are evident on the pics.

PAM 605- CASE-LUGS COMPARISON SF - KW-V6Fac - ZFac

OP 6825 and PAM 00605 ENGRAVINGS BETWEEN LUGS:
Gen engravings are very deep and with rounded upper edges, like “overpolished”
SF engravings are nice but inaccurate, with different fonts, really shallower and thinner, much less evident than gen. Really inaccurate.
KW-V6Fac engravings are very similar to SF, nice but inaccurate, with different fonts, shallower and thinner, much less evident than gen. Really inaccurate but batter than SF.
ZFac engravings are really accurate, very gen-like. The best engravings by far on PAM 605 2015 reps.
CROWN CROWN GUARD:
Rep crowns are not as well finished as gen and the knurling are not so nice, but are good enough and accurate for a rep.
Crown Guards are accurate regarding shape, and usually well finished. There are many KW CG’s without chamfered corners and with really bad finished inner edges and corners (see evora’s sample to know what I’m talking about)
CG chamfered corners are small and uniform on gens, rep chamfered are much less uniform and with variable size and sometimes inexistent. The best ones are ZFac chamfered although usually they are bigger than gen ones.
CG REG. T.M. engravings are wider and inaccurate in SF version. KW and ZF engravings are accurate and very similar, but ZFac have better placement.
Rep CG levers have inaccurate tip with a sharper inner edge near the case.
For some understandable reason the rep lever of all reps 605 usually are raised from the CG body. This is a very usual flaw in all PAM 605 reps, and sometimes really bothering.
Therefore the best rep CG and Crown are from ZFac.
DIAL LAYOUT:
SF is using the base of PAM 604 dial, due to that the dial layout is completely wrong, markers are placed outwards and are smaller than gen, FIRENZE engraving is placed clearly higher. Completely inaccurate dial.
KW-V6Fac and ZFac layout are good enough, just with LUMINOR PANERAI engravings placed a bit higher, mainly in ZFac version where the difference is noticeable and even the FIRENZE is placed a bit higher.
DIAL SURFACE:
SF is really inaccurate with darker colour, some texture of the paint (gen is without texture) and the sunburst effect is almost inexistent. Really inaccurate dial surface
KW-V6Fac has a lighter colour with correct texture and very gen-like sunburst effect (See evora’s review)
ZFac has correct colour and accurate sunburst effect. ZFac is the best dial in this regard by far.
We can see above commented in the pics from this post:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/266394-Just-received-KW-605?p=2505632&viewfull=1#post-2505632 by pretender

PAM 605 DIAL COLOURS ZFac – KW-V6Fac COMPARISON (Pic by pretender)

PAM 605 DIAL SUNBURST EFFECT ZFac – KW-V6Fac COMPARISON (Pic by pretender)

DIAL MARKERS:
SF are completely wrong as above commented and the colour is more white than gen
KW-V6Fac and ZFAc are accurate and similar, but KW are more accurate because ZFac “3” has the upper part a bit different from gen. Colour is similar in both watches and accurate enough.
SANDWICH DIAL CUTOUTS:
They are the same as in PAM 604 reps. Gen cutouts are, of course, nicely made. The upper edge of the gen cutouts is always rounded and this edge and the “wall” of the cutout are finely made without roughness, almost polished, a bit of glossy.
Rep cutouts have always sharper upper edge (only KW-V6Fac cutouts are a bit rounded, like in PAM 604). The rep cutout “walls” are always rough and without shine, just with the direct finish from the machining. These cuotouts are an obvious tell for the rep dials.
The thickness of the upper sandwich dial layer is a bit thicker in gen, SF and ZFac are the less thick. KW is almost the same as gen and, besides, the upper layer is a tad detached from the lower one, giving an appearance of additional thickness similar to the gen.
You can see more detailed comparison in the review of PAM 604 reps of 2015
LUMINOR PANERAI DIAL ENGRAVINGS:
Gen engravings are sharp and very well defined with very deep engraving, really noticeable. Rep engravings are overall less sharp and defined, they look sloppy in relation to the gen and the fonts are not completely accurate. Anyway for a rep some of them are good enough and without a close inspection they can get gen-like appearance.
SF dial engravings: Engravings are thinner than gen and much less deep, the colour is whiter and the overall dimension is smaller than gen. The placement is correct enough. Fonts have some differences mainly in “A” (with the horizontal bar placed really low), “R” have some differences and the space between “E” and “R” is really smaller.
KW-V6Fac dial engravings: Engravings are less deep than gen. The thickness is hit and miss, usually they are thinner than gen, but evora’s rep has clearly thicker fonts. The colour is really yellow and inaccurate. Overall dimension is accurate. The placement is correct enough. Fonts have some differences mainly in “A” (with the horizontal bar placed very very low), “E” have some differences and the space between “E” and “R” is smaller than gen.
ZFac dial engravings: Engravings are thinner than gen and less deep, the colour is the most accurate. Overall dimension is bigger than gen. The placement is clearly higher than gen. Fonts have some differences mainly in “A” (with the horizontal bar placed very low), “R” and “P” have some differences but the space between “E” and “R” is accurate.
No really good engravings on 205 2015 reps. Overall more accurate seems to be ZFac although the size (bigger) and the placement (higher)
FIRENZE DIAL ENGRAVINGS:
Gen FIRENZE engraving are sharp and very well defined with very deep engraving, really noticeable. Rep engravings are overall less sharp and defined, they look sloppy in relation to the gen and the fonts are not completely accurate. Anyway for a rep some of them are good enough and without a close inspection they can get gen-like appearance.
SF FIRENNZE engraving: Engraving thickness is accurate but much less deep, the colour is whiter and the overall dimension is really smaller than gen. The placement is much higher than gen. Fonts are smaller and inaccurate. Really inaccurate engraving
KW-V6Fac FIRENZE engraving: it is the most accurate regarding thickness and fonts, just the colour is really yellow and inaccurate. Overall dimension and placement are accurate. Very accurate engraving but the yellow colour ruins the overall evaluation.
ZFac FIRENZE engraving: Engraving is thinner than gen and less deep, the colour is the most accurate. Overall dimension is accurate. The placement is a bit higher than gen. Fonts have some differences mainly in “R” but the rest are accurate enough.
No good FIRENZE engravings in 605 2015 reps.
L SWISS MADE L DIAL INSCRIPTIONS:
As observed by ernien here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/297063-*PCTeam*-PAM-605-%E2%80%9CFirenze%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-Overview-and-Evaluation-of-all-reps-%E2%80%93-March-2016?p=2700822&viewfull=1#post-2700822 by ernien
Gen L SWISS MADE L inscription is cream coloured. Only KW-V6Fac is accurate, ZFac is grey and SF is almost white.
HANDS AND CANNON PINION:
Rep double pencil hands are overall accurate, but all the rep minute hands have wider lume than gen. Hour hand is the same but the difference is smaller mainly in KW which the hour hand is the most accurate.
Cannon pinion is much smaller in SF rep, KW-V6Fac is the most accurate. ZFac CP is the typical ZF with raised rim contour, the size appearance is correct but the structure is obviously inaccurate.
CRYSTAL:
Gen Plexi crystal presents low distortion because the upper dome starts smoothly and progressively from the contour. SF domed crystal is inaccurate because the “dome” growns up very fast from the contour getting quickly the horizontal shape. KW and ZF crystals get the horizontal more smoothly than SF but less smoothly than gen, the distortion is evident as you can see in the magnificent evora’s pics
CASEBACK:
Rep casebacks are accurate enough with nice, sharp and accurate engravings. To be picky the engravings placement of ZFac and SF are better than KW-V6Fac. Overall the best caseback is ZFac very close to SF.



PAM 605
REPLICA links:
-PAM 605 SF Q-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
http://puretime01.com/pam605-q-luminer-1950-3-days-firenze-sf-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000-super-clone.html
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2109-pam605-q-luminer-1950-3-days-firenze-sf-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000-super-clone.html
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13628

-PAM 605 KW-V6Fac Q-series w/decorated A6497-2
http://www.kuvarsit.watch/kw-products/panerai/1-1-panerai-pam605-firenze-boutique-special-edition-from-kw/
http://puretime01.com/pam605-q-luminer-1950-3-days-firenze-v6f-best-edition-on-gray-asso-strap-p3000.html
http://www.toro888.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1715
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2242-pam605-q-luminer-1950-3-days-firenze-v6f-best-edition-on-gray-asso-strap-p3000.html
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13842

-PAM 605 ZFac Q-series w/ P.3000 Clone4
(*)http://puretime01.com/pam605-q-zf-luminer-1950-3-days-firenze-limited-edition-on-gray-asso-strap-p3000-super-clone.html
(*)http://www.2015asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3534
(*)http://www.toro888.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1862
(*)http://www.7750asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3534
(*)http://www.intime.co/panerai/2317-pam-605-q-luminer-1950-3-days-firenze-zf-best-edition-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000-super-clone.html
(*)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=14053

GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_384.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/boutique-special-editions/firenze/luminor-1950-3-days-acciaio---47mm_pam00605.firenze-san-giovanni.boutique-detail.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YHZ-B2sL2s
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f75/pam-605-unexpected-acquisition-1815778.html
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/1950-pam-605-firenze--id3768350.htm
http://www.chrono24.es/panerai/luminor-1950-pam605-firenze--id4055670.htm
https://www.watchuwant.com/watches/panerai-pam-605-q-luminor-1950-3-days-firenze-boutique-special-edition-only-99-pieces-ever
http://www.watchprosite.com/?page=wf.forumpost&fi=717&ti=964823&pi=6713823
http://www.watchprosite.com/page-wf....ti-964823/s-0/
3-6

EVALUATIONS:
(**) SUPER REP (KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2) The most interesting version for A7750 lovers.
(**) SUPER REP (KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted) The most interesting version for Seagull lovers

The PAM 607 is a LUMINOR 1950 47mm Submersible Dextro version Automatic 3days made of Black Ceramic. It is the Dextro version of PAM 508 released in 2013. PAM 607 was introduced in 2014 (Q-series) as a special edition of only 50 pcs. The PAM 607 and PAM 508 were the first Luminor Submersible watch has been executed in ceramic. PAM 607 and 508 combine both a vintage look with today's contemporary styling.
The PAM 607 houses the same P.9000 3 day automatic and is water resistant to 300m The P.9000 features a double barrel configuration and a bi-directional winding rotor, working in tandem to a power reserve of three days (72 hours). Also of note is the convenient system for adjusting the hour hand forward or backward in steps of one hour, at the same time also changing the date.
The Panerai PAM 607 has the same structure, although dextro version, as PAM 382 and PAM 305. PAM 607 and 508 really are an evolution of these Submersible watches but it is made of Black Ceramic instead of Bronze and Titanium respectively. The lume colour is ecru vintage instead of green like in 382 and 305, and features solid caseback Titanium DLC coated instead of display like its predecessors.
Maybe people would prefer sapphire display backs over solid casebacks mainly with nice movements as P.9000 is, but on the other hand, it does make more functional sense to put on a solid caseback since this is a diving watch.
Another difference is there are no quick strap change pushers on the PAM508 lugs, because the case is ceramic, so incorporating these quick strap change pushers would be difficult to implement technically without fracturing the ceramic lugs. To change straps on the PAM 607 you will need a screwdriver.
Luminor 1950 black ceramic case we see that it has a fine sandblasted finish, resulting in the uniform matte appearance of the case.
The material, which is synthesized from zirconium oxide powder (Zr02); to achieve the color, a pigment highly resistant to heat is added during the production process. A ratio of ~80% zirconia powder and 20% binding powder are warmed and mixed slightly, then forced under extremely high pressure into the mold that takes the form of the component being produced. While still soft, components are further shaped and refined by turning, milling and drilling. Then, over a period of about three days, the components are heated to 1500C and then allowed to cool down; at this stage components consist of 100% zirconia ceramic (binder has been removed via a chemical process) and has a hardness of 1200HV, about about 5x that of stainless steel. The hard ceramic is then workable, via diamond grinding, to its final shape and sandblasted to a matte finish. In addition to its hardness, the ceramic has additional desirable qualities such as light weight, excellent resistance to scratches and corrosion. Ceramic does have its drawbacks (it is fragile) but the look, feel, and scratch resistance of ceramic outweighs the shock weakness of ceramic.
Dial inscriptions, date window and Superluminova-coated hour markers, graduated bezel scale, and hands – we see that they are executed in a single ecru color. This provides for a nice and consistent contrast against the ceramic case.
Bezel is likewise crafted in black ceramic and has the graduated scale for calculating dive time immersion as is standard for the Submersible line.
Caseback is crafted of titanium and coated in black. It features the torpedo engraved in the middle.
The strap fits the watch very nicely. It is crafted of black leather, but otherwise PAM 508 without distressed finish. It has a trapezoidal black-titanium pin buckle.
GEN PAM 607 TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT- Automatic mechanical, Panerai P.9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 197 components.
FUNCTIONS-Hours, minutes, small seconds, date, calculation of immersion time.
CASE- Diameter 47 mm, black ceramic.
BEZEL- Black ceramic anti-clockwise unidirectional rotating bezel with graduated scale for calculating the time of immersion and ratchet click at minute intervals.
BACK- Screw, titanium with special hard black coating.
DEVICE PROTECTING THE CROWN- (protected as a trademark) Black ceramic.
DIAL- Black with applied luminous hour markers. Date at 3 o’clock, seconds at 9 o’clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire, made of corundum, 4 mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.
WATER-RESISTANCE- 30 bar (~ 300 metres).
STRAP- PANERAI personalised leather strap and trapezoidal titanium buckle with special hard black coating. Supplied with a second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.


- KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2)
April 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep of PAM 607 Q-series made of real black ceramic material. This was a new important step in Ceramic PAM reps after the ceramic releases of PAM 292, 441 and 438. This rep is fitted a with a KP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is placed @5 (dextro version) instead of @1 (dextro version) like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @5 (dextro version), then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, getting a great gen-like appearance. With above mentioned features this KP9000-V2 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the improved Zfac decorated P.9000 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2.5
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @5 (dextro version) instead of @1 (dextro version) like gen.
Everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5.
The rest of the watch is the same as PAM 508 Inverted version. Therefore read all comments and review about PAM 508 w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted to get the info about this PAM 607 version. Therefore being the same as correspondent version of PAM 508 the evaluation have to be a Super rep. The most interesting version for A7750 lovers.
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/219400-Get-ready-for-a-PAM607-(Destro-508)-first-rep! by EddyG
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=251562 by starbox


- KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
June 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep of PAM 607 Q-series made of real black ceramic material. This was a new important step in Ceramic PAM reps after the ceramic releases of PAM 292, 441 and 438. This rep is the same as previous KW-V6Fac real ceramic rep above commented but now it is fitted a with a new KP9000-Seagull V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @12 (dextro version) instead of @1 (dextro version) like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @12 (dextro version) is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @1 (dextro version) than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @5 (dextro version). This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @12 (dextro version), then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @5 (dextro version). This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @12 (dextro version) instead of @1 (dextro version) like gen.
Everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
The rest of the watch is the same as the other KW-V6Fac real ceramic version. The movement is more accurate, but, besides, it is reliable and cheaper and this is really important. This rep has already the corrected pearl and is a real Super rep and cheaper than other ceramic version. Therefore IMO this is the most advisable purchase from June 2015, for Seagull lovers.


PAM 607
REPLICA links:
- KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2)
(**)http://www.tswatch.club/16929-pa16929-pam607-q-real-ceramic-1-1-lt-seagull-st25523j.html

- KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic w/decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted
(**)http://www.kuvarsit.watch/kw-products/panerai/1-1-panerai-pam607-destro-real-ceramic-kw-best-edition.-p.9000/
(**)http://puretime.watch/product/pam607-q-v6f-11-best-edition-left-handed-real-ceramic-on-black-leather-strap-p9000/
(**)http://www.tswatch.club/16849-pa16849-pam607-v6f-real-ceramic-1-1-p9000.html
(**)http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1529
(**)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=2065
(**)http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13507
(**)http://www.pf-818.com/pn607q01-ceramica-p-17472.html

GEN links:
http://blog.watchuwant.com/panerai-luminor-submersible-1950-ceramica-left-handed-pam-607-video-blog/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCz3mo1yIUA
12-5

EVALUATIONS:
LOW GRADE REP (KW-V6Fac Forged Carbon w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2)
GOOD REP bordering First Class status (KW-V6Fac Carbotech w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2)
GOOD REP (ZFac Carbotech w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5)
GOOD REP bordering First Class status (KW-V6Fac Carbotech w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-SeagullV2)
GOOD REP (JF Carbotech w/decorated & modified Asian NON-inverted JP9000-BW@9)

NOTE: For Carbotech reps if you can live with the inaccurate Pattern of the material, you can upgrade a step the Evaluation, because overall quality is good enough

The gen PAM 616 was introduced in 2015 R-series with only 500 units of production. PAM 616 is a Submersible with Luminor 1950 47mm case, with anti-clockwise rotating bezel with graduated scale and solid CG protecting the crown. All these elements are made of a very special composite material,
based on carbon fibre, called “Carbotech”. The caseback is closed and made of Titamium black DLC coated. The dial is black with lume 12 and 6 numerals and lume dots, uncharged lume is ecru and charged lume green colour, the dial has some accents in bright blue colour which are matching with a nice OP logo on the strap in the same bright colour. There are also seconds subdial @9 and date window @3. It is fitted with a Panerai Manifattura P.9000 movement with two barrels and 3 days of power reserve.
The “Carbotech” is a composite material based on carbon fibre, never before used in the world of watchmaking. As well as providing exceptional technical performance, Carbotech has an uneven, matt black appearance, which varies according the cutting of the material: the result is that each example is unique. The structure of Carbotech is designed to enhance both the aesthetics and the performance of the material, which is used to make the case,the rotating bezel and the lever bridge which protects the winding crown. To form the plates of Carbotech from which these components are made, thin sheets of carbon fibres are compressed at a controlled temperature under high pressure together with a high-end polymer, PEEK (Polyether Ether Ketone), which binds the composite material, making it even stronger and more durable. With this structure, the mechanical properties of Carbotech are much higher than those of similar materials or of other materials used in the world of watchmaking, such as ceramics and titanium: Carbotech is lighter than these and much more resistant to external solicitations, as well as being hypoallergenic and not subject to corrosion. Additionally, each carbon fiber sheet is layered at different angles in order to create the unique striped matte black finish you see on Pam 616, making every single unit of this watch unique as no two will have the same Carbotech™ pattern.
To illustrate the way PAM 616 bezel is made see below pics Published by PolonusTM in his PAM 616 review.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/223205-KW-V6F-Panerai-Carbotech-616-small-reviewhttp://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=252272

GEN PAM 616 CARBOTECH BEZEL CUT
(Figure extracted from PolonusTM review)

GEN PAM 616 “Carbotech” TECHNICAL DETAILS
MOVEMENT-Automatic mechanical, P.9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 197 components.
FUNCTIONS- Hours, Minutes, Small Seconds, Date, Calculation of immersion time
CASE- Diameter 47mm, Carbotech
BEZEL- Carbotech. Anti-clockwise unidirectional rotating bezel with graduated scale.
BACK- Back Screw, Titanium with hard black coating
DEVICE PROTECTIONG THE CROWN- Carbotech
DIAL - Dial Black with applied luminous Arabic numerals and dots. Date at 3 o'clock, small seconds at 9 o'clock.
CRYSTAL- Sapphire crystal formed of corundum
WATER RESISTANCE- Resistance 30 bar (~300 metres)
STRAP- Caoutchouc, Black, -, 26.2/21.9 MM Standard


CARBOTECH MATERIAL ON REPLICAS
Obviously, the main problem to make replicas of PAM 616 is to get the very special material and to get the really unique Carbotech pattern which shows the gen PAM 616.
Gen achieves a curious pattern on the surface of the case and mainly on the bezel. As previously commented, this is due to Panerai makes a multilayered piece of Carbotech, with layers of different thickness, curved an cut it with an inclined angle to get a striped pattern with different width and about four different colours, which are achieved by the different thickness of layers and the different orientations of the carbon fibers in the Carbotech original piece. Above commented together with a complicated and expensive process to make the own Carbotech, using strong compression at a controlled temperature with a high-end polymer, PEEK (Polyether Ether Ketone), makes really difficult to manufacture a rep with the same features and appearance at a cost much lower than gen.
I have to admit, before to continue with the review that I never liked the result of the rep Carbotech material but I have also to admit that maker have done a big effort to get a decent copy of the gen Carbotech getting an very acceptable approach for the price.
There are three aspects that are the main flaws of the rep Carbotech material:
-Gen presents at least four different strip colours, because gen material are using at least four different orientation of Carbon fibers between the layers. It looks that reps are using only two directions (maybe with 90º of difference) and are showing only two colours very contrasted and giving the pattern a more or less strong “zebra” effect, completely different from the smooth transition of four strip colours on the gen material.
-Gen has different width between strips, due to gen is using layers of carbon fibers with different thickness. Reps usually have the same with mainly in the bezel.
-Gen has smooth and soft surface like a matt ceramic. Rep material is not as smooth and many times is a bit rough, like a bit “wooden” (exaggerating a bit). See on below pic some surface imperfections on rep Carbotech material.

SURFACE IMPERFECTIONS ON REP CARBOIECH

-Is very frequent in rep Carbotech to find “delaminations” (the name is from PolonusTM) in the borders of each layer showing whitish and a bit raised contours. Most likely due to a lower pressure in the Carbotech manufacture, to a worse or different PEEK polymer and a worse or cheaper cutting process or all them together. This “delamination” produces even lost of material in some zones of the case (lug edges) and mainly in the bezel knurling, which some times is really rough and you can easily see a little “grove” between the layers. See some examples of “delamination” in below pics.

PAM 616 REP CARBOTECH “DELAMINATION”

For some reason rep Carbotech is not as light as expected and reps PAM 616 Carbotech are not lighter than a similar Titanium rep. Weight is about 150 g. with rubber strap included.
Anyway, as above commented a good approach for the price. The rep Carbotech when is appropriately made and well pressed (not always is like that) feels like ceramic and the touch is soft and smooth. But rep Carbotech leaves a lot to be desired and the gen-like appearance is far for the appearance achieved by the best replicas made of ceramic.
Above commented is thoroughly explained by PolonusTM here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/223205-KW-V6F-Panerai-Carbotech-616-small-review
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=252272

First replicas of PAM 616 Carbotech were made of Forged Carbon instead of Carbotech. This is the same material as used on Audemars Piguet ROO reps. It has a “marble” pattern and it is completely different from a Carbotech although the carbon fiber material is similar but with short length. Therefore these first reps are really inaccurate and Low grade reps.
See on below pics the differences between the patterns of Gen Carbotech, Forged Carbon and Rep Carbotech.

PATTERN DIFFERENCES – GEN CARBOTECH / FORGED CARBON / REP CARBOTECH



REPLICAS MADE OF FORGED CARBON

-KW-V6Fac Forged Carbon w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
April 2014- KW-V6Fac released the first rep of PAM 6161 Carbotech. This rep as above commented was made of Forged Carbon, the same material as used in AP ROO reps. It is a good material made with real carbon fiber, with “marble” pattern and, therefore completely inaccurate for the rep of a PAM 6161 Carbotech.
The overall finish of the watch is not bad but some parts leave a lot to be desired, see the rough surface of the dial and the badly finished bezel minute markers from 12 to 3.
This rep is fitted with a P.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP900-V2. This is IMO a waste of movement for an inaccurate rep
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/207242-Pam-616-Carbotech-must-be-repped! by rolexwatchfan
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/217195-Carbotech-(PAM-616)-released by Shelby1501
Whatever is the rest of the watch above mentioned flaws are enough to get an evaluation o Low grade rep. This is not at all an advisable purchase. Keep far away from them



REPLICAS MADE OF CARBOTECH

-KW-V6Fac Carbotech w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
May 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 616 without Series with PN XXXXXXX serial number made of Carbotech. This is the first rep with real Carbotech material. This rep is fitted with a KP9000-V2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on A7750. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, getting a great gen-like appearance. With above mentioned features this KP9000-V2 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the improved Zfac decorated P.9000 NON-inverted ZP9000-V2.5
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed movement KP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED A7750 NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5.
Since the caseback is closed the movement accuracy is interesting but not decisive.

CARBOTECH MATERIAL
KW-V6Fac Carbotech presents, as in all reps, inaccurate pattern with two tones and “zebra” effect. It is very noticeable in bezel, being an obvious tell of the rep. The effect is less noticeable in mid case but it is always more contrasted in colours than gen. KW-V6Fac has the more contrasted “zebra” effect because this maker is using two very contrasted colours of the layers, maybe with opposite orientation of 90º. The surfaces are usually smooth and soft, maybe the best in 2105 reps together with JF version. “Delamination” is sometimes evident in the borders of the carbon fiber layers of the bezel surface with whitish colour and a bit raised material.
MID-CASE
Cushion and lug shape are the most accurate of 2015 replicas, with correct position of the lug holes. See below the case shape comparison pic with gen

CASE SHAPE - GEN – KW-V6Fac COMPARISON

BEZEL
Aside the issue of Carbotech pattern and “delamination”, bezel shape and knurling are accurate. Edges are not as nice, clean, and sharp as gen but the quality is usually good enough and quite consistent.
Pearl is accurate enough and with almost correct colour, just a bit less glossy than gen and with a black rim contour accurate but with the upper edge a bit rounded instead of a bit fat like gen.

BEZEL PEARL - KW-V6Fac – GEN COMPARISON

Black bezel little dots are accurate but a bit more raised than gen and glossier, the same as PAM 508 dots, but gen PAM 616 has less raised dots. Big numeral dots (15, 30, 45) are also a bit raised and have accurate numeral fonts with a thickness similar to the gen. The colour of numerals are a bit golden like gen.
The minute markers from 12 to 3 are well made and painted with golden colour like gen but more yellow than gen. This colour should be the same as numeral bezel markers but it actually is a bit more yellow.
It seems that KW-V6Fac has already corrected these issues in last batches, because KW catalogue shows, slightly golden bezel numeral markers matching nicely with golden minute markers from 12 to 3. It is really accurate golden colour.
http://www.kuvarsit.watch/kw-products/panerai/best-edition-panerai-pam-616-carbotech-real-carbon.-seagull-st2555-movement-from-kw/
Many people think that the lume and above commented markers should match, but, as above commented, the gen bezel markers are actually golden. Other reps like ZFac and SF have matched lume and markers but this is inaccurate.
IMO the best bezel of PAM 616 2015 reps
CROWN GUARD - CROWN
The same comments as above in relation with Carbotech material. CG of this version has accurate shape, with good finish and nice chamfered corners. Chamfered is usually worse than ZFac version which has the best chamfered on corners. CG lever is also OK with the tip a tad thinner than gen and with a bit sharper edges, but accurate enough, the rounded tappet pushing the crown is very accurate, KW-V6Fac lever is the most accurate of 2015 reps. CG pin is matt and flat whereas ZFac pin has rounded edge and is glossy. Gen has not a defined CG pin because as Polonus has stated there are gens with matt and flat pin and gens with glossy and rounded edges pin. Therefore both are somehow accurate.
REG. T.M. engravings are less evident in gen, maybe because in gen are not an engraving but stamped letters. Fonts and placement are not perfect but the differences are few noticeable.
Crown is accurate with correct thickness
See above commented in below CG comparison pic:

CROWN GUARD - GEN – KW-V6Fac – ZFac - SF COMPARISON

CASEBACK
Made of Titanium. Engravings on caseback are deep and sharp like gen
FIRENZE-1860-OP 7026-PN XXXXXXX accurate fonts and well placed. PN XXXXXXX a bit higher.
Inner circle engravings with accurate fonts and placed a bit inwards.
No Production number R XXX/500
OFFICINE PANERAI–SUBMERSIBLE external circle engravings with accurate placement and fonts
DIAL
Layout- almost perfect
Dot markers – accurate shape and colour
Numeral markers – accurate shape, placement, colour and lume application, just a little bit less raised sausage and less glossy than gen, with a very slim lighter contour. I have seen some gen PAM 6161 without this slim contour and some others with the contour. The contour of the gen when is present has the same colour as lume material and is almost no noticeable. Anyway, these differences are visible by good macro pics, in real size are few noticeable and less if you don’t know this matter. See below pics to illustrate the differences. The rep pics are from a KW-V6Fac but it is the same for all 2105 PAM 616 reps.

SAUSAGE LUME STRUCTURE - REPLICAS – GEN COMPARISON
See the slim lighter contour in rep sausage markers and the less glossy rep lume material

Inscriptions- very accurate in colours, fonts and placement, sharp and nicely defined. Shiny and raised like gen. The best inscriptions of 2015 reps.
Date fonts- as usually in KW-V6Fac a little bit bolder and a tad taller than gen with good colour.
Cannon pinion- flat and polished enough with accurate size.
Hands- accurate with correct lume with awesome quality of application.
Lume in darkness- strong lume with green colour like gen.
By far the best dial of 2015 reps
Concentric circles on seconds subdial @9 are not visible in gen subdial. In this regard KW-V6Fac is the most accurate because the concentric circles are present but are smaller than competitors and are usually few noticeable. These small circles allow that paint can cover the groves, and avoiding shiny reflections. This covering is of course really variable and depends on the viscosity and thickness of the painting. The most accurate rep subdial in 2015 reps. See below a comparison pic.

CONCENTRIC CIRCLES ON SECONDS SUBDIAL @9 - KW-V6Fac – ZFac - JF

STRAP
Nice standard submersible 26mm accordion strap but with black, matte DLC’ed buckle. Soft enough almost like gen. Nicely applied Blue OP Logo. Good overall rep strap
Many of above data are extracted from the great review by PolonusTM:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/223205-KW-V6F-Panerai-Carbotech-616-small-review by PolonusTM
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=252272 by PolonusTM
More info here: http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=100850 by Kuvarsit
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=251919by Puretime
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/221723-PAM-616-carbotech-OUT-! by Midnightguy
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=251904 by tridad
Some comments about PAM 616 KW-V6Fac and ZFac
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/250977-Which-Pam-616-V6F-or-ZF by alfamesterem
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/263884-Which-edition-Is-the-best-for-PAM-616 by waltergoh

CONCLUSIONS:
KW-V6Fac PAM 616, leaving aside the rep Carbotech material, has accurate mid-case, accurate bezel only with a bit yellowish bezel minute markers from 12 to 3 and a bit raised dots. CG is good and accurate. Dial, hands and CP are really good, and caseback is quite accurate and had no production number but a prototype serial number. But the rep Carbotech pattern is an obvious flaw for this rep and we cannot give a First Class rep evaluation. We can say it is a Good rep bordering a First Class rep status. Anyway if you can live with the inaccurate rep Carbotech pattern you can upgrade a step this rep.


-ZFac Carbotech w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5
June 2015- ZFac released a rep PAM 616 R-series marked and made of Carbotech. This rep is fitted with ZP9000-V2.5 improved decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout still based on A7750, but improved in relation with the previous version V2. Since this movement is A7750 based, the balance wheel is much bigger than gen and it is still placed @11 instead of @7 like gen movement, but it has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen, the same as previous version, but in this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like KW decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter. This is the first improvement, avoiding the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, but in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than previous one, this is the second improvement. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are good, but not as nicely made as in KW decorations.
Bridges inscriptions are more accurate in fonts and better defined than inverted version. We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2.5 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous inverted versions from ZFac or KW.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. In this movement maker has introduced another improvement modifying the shape of bridges decoration to get a rep balance wheel “hole” almost the same as gen. With above mentioned improvements this ZP9000-V2.5 movement has better accuracy than previous version, making this movement the most accurate decorated A7750 based P.9000 starting 2015 together with the KW decorated P.9000 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
Those are significant improvements but always bear in mind that, although these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @11 instead of @7 like gen.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2.5 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2.


CARBOTECH MATERIAL
ZFac Carbotech presents, as in all reps, inaccurate pattern with two tones and “zebra” effect. It is very noticeable in bezel, being an obvious tell of the rep. The effect is less noticeable in mid case but it is always more contrasted in colours than gen. Some batches of ZFac reps present less contrasted “zebra” effect because are using two colours of carbon fibers less different between them, maybe using also less difference of orientation between layers. The effect is less “zebra” but it is still inaccurate because there are still only two tones. Maybe this few contrasted tones of colour produce that the ZFac bezel knurking looks more black than the rest of the watch, as you can usually see in ZFac Carbotech reps. “Delamination” is sometimes evident in the borders of the carbon fiber layers of the bezel surface with whitish colour and a bit raised material.
Regarding the material finish and surface appearance we would need to clarify that ZFac is a bit inconsistent and sometimes the Carbotech looks rough and bad finished. Read about this matter below thread:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/275450-Mini-review-ZF-PAM616-Carbotec by chris3007
Above thread doesn’t prove that all reps from ZFac are the same, it just means that ZFac Carbotech is not always as good as expected. KW-V6Fac is more consistent in this regard.
MID-CASE
Cushion shape is not as accurate as KW-V6Fac because it is clearly less “squared”, lug shape is also less accurate than KW-V6Fac. Lug holes are place in a lower position. We could say that ZFac PAM 616 has the same case as gen PAM 389, instead of gen PAM 508 or the own PAM 616. ZFac is the less accurate case shape of 2015. See below the case shape comparison pic with gen

CASE SHAPE - GEN – ZFac COMPARISON

BEZEL
Aside the issue of Carbotech pattern and “delamination”, bezel shape and knurling are accurate, although ZFac bezel looks many times darker than gen and than its own case. Upper external bezel edge is narrower than gen. The edges are not as nice, clean, and sharp as gen but the quality is usually good enough but a bit inconsistent.
Pearl is accurate enough and with almost correct colour, but it is really flat and mainly very matt, without shine. The black rim contour is accurate but with the upper edge a bit rounded instead of a bit fat like gen.

BEZEL PEARL - ZFac – GEN COMPARISON

Black bezel little dots are accurate, raised almost like gen, glossier than the gen ones, more accurate than KW-V6Fac. Big numeral dots (15, 30, 45) are also raised almost like gen and have a little bolder numeral fonts. The colour of numerals are not golden like gen and matches the dial lume.
The minute markers from 12 to 3 are made a bit hit and miss and painted with inaccurate colour matching dial lume instead of golden. These markers are also placed a bit outwards.
Many people think that the lume and above commented markers should match, but, as above commented, the gen bezel markers are actually golden. Only KW-V6Fac minute markers from 12 to 3 are golden colour.
CROWN GUARD - CROWN
The same comments as above in relation with Carbotech material. CG of this version has accurate enough shape, the external bridge protecting the crown is a bit thinner than gen, CG has good finish and nice chamfered corners. Chamfered is usually even better than KW-V6Fac version which, ZFac has the best chamfered on corners. CG lever ha wrong tip, really thinner than gen, the rounded tappet pushing the crown is quite accurate but the KW-V6Fac is better. CG pin of ZFac has rounded edge and is glossy. Gen has not a defined CG pin because as Polonus has stated there are gens with matt and flat pin and gens with glossy and rounded edges pin. Therefore it is somehow accurate.
REG. T.M. engravings are less evident in gen, maybe because in gen are not an engraving but stamped letters. Fonts and placement are not perfect but the differences are few noticeable.
Crown is inaccurate because it is thinner than gen
See comparison pics in previous review of KW-V6Fac version
CASEBACK
Made of Titanium. Engravings on caseback are sharp but a bit less deep than gen
FIRENZE-1860-OP 7026-PN XXXXXXX are well placed, but the fonts are a bit inaccurate because they are a bit taller.
Inner circle engravings with a little bigger fonts and placed a bit outwards.
Engraved Production number R XXX/500. ZFac is the only rep 2015 with this engraving.
OFFICINE PANERAI–SUBMERSIBLE external circle engravings with accurate placement and fonts
DIAL
Layout- is very good , not as perfect as KW-V6Fac, “6” marker and L SWISS MADE L are placed lower. L SWISS MADE L ZFac inscription is a tad taller.

“6” MARKER - GEN – KW-V6Fac – ZFac - SF COMPARISON

Dot markers – accurate shape and colour
Numeral markers – accurate shape, placement, colour and lume application, just a little bit less raised sausage and less glossy than gen, with a very slim lighter contour. I have seen some gen PAM 6161 without this slim contour and some others with the contour. The contour of the gen when is present has the same colour as lume material and is almost no noticeable. Anyway, these differences are visible by good macro pics, in real size are few noticeable and less if you don’t know this matter. See below pics to illustrate the differences. See comparison pics in the review of KW-V6Fac, it is the same for all 2105 PAM 616 reps.
Inscriptions- very accurate in colours and placement, shiny, raised, sharp and nicely defined, but a little bolder and less accurate than KW-V6Fac.
Date fonts- accurate as usually in ZFac, better than KW-V6Fac, with good colour
Cannon pinion- flat and well polished but bigger than gen and with the ZFAC weird typical ZFac raised rim in the contour. IMO the worse CP of 2015 reps.

ZFac CANNON PINION AND HANDS – COMPARISON WITH GEN

Hands- They have correct lume with correct quality of application. As you can see in above pic comparison pic, ZFac hands have wrong section because they are rounded with rounded edges whereas gen are almost flat and with sharp edges. The worse hands of 2015 reps.
Lume in darkness- strong lume with nice but inaccurate blue colour.
Concentric circles on seconds subdial @9 are not visible in gen subdial. In this regard ZFac is not accurate, because the concentric circles are really visible an deep and are really noticeable. These big grooves don’t allow that paint can cover the groves and produce wrong shiny reflactions. This covering is of course really variable and depends on the viscosity and thickness of the painting. Similar to JF subdial in this regard and obviously less accurate than KW-V6Fac. See the comparison pics on KW-V6Fac review
STRAP
Nice standard submersible 26mm accordion strap but with black, matte DLC’ed buckle. Soft enough almost like gen. Nicely applied Blue OP Logo. Good overall rep strap
Some comments about PAM 616 KW-V6Fac and ZFac
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/250977-Which-Pam-616-V6F-or-ZF by alfamesterem
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/263884-Which-edition-Is-the-best-for-PAM-616 by waltergoh

CONCLUSIONS:
ZFac PAM 616, leaving aside the rep Carbotech material, has inaccurate accurate mid-case shape with wrong lugs, accurate bezel with inaccurate colour and placement of minute markers from 12 to 3 and a bit raised dots. CG is very good and accurate, the best CG on PAM 616 2015 reps. Dial is accurate but worse than KW-V6Fac. Hands have very rounded section and edges and CP is the big and weird typical ZFac with raised rim. Caseback is quite accurate with some inaccurate fonts and with production number R XXX/500. The rep Carbotech pattern is an obvious flaw for this rep and we cannot give a First Class rep evaluation. We can say ZFac is just a Good rep. Anyway if you can live with the inaccurate rep Carbotech pattern you can upgrade a step this rep.


-KW-V6Fac Carbotech w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-SeagullV2
July 2015- KW-V6Fac released a rep PAM 616 without Series with PN XXXXXXX serial number made of Carbotech. This rep is based in previous rep from KW-V6Fac, it has the same structure but just the movement changes. This rep is fitted with a new KP9000-SeagullV2 decorated movement like P.9000 with correct NON-inverted layout based on Seagull ST2555. Since this movement is Seagull based, the balance wheel is placed @6 instead of @7 like gen movement and is much bigger than gen. This placement @6 is an advantage over the A7750 based movements, because it is closer to gen placement @7 than in A7750 which have the balance wheel @11. This movement has correct layout the same as gen. Bridges shape is not yet a mirror image of the gen but a copy of the gen bridges shape. Balance cock orientation is now exactly the same as gen. In the same way the inscriptions are placed and oriented just like gen. This NON-inverted layout is achieved by a technical trick: Maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen. In this case maker has not reduced the real balance cock, just like ZFac improved V2.5 and KW NON-inverted decorations, and leaves it hidden under the regulation device and the false escapement wheel. It is really enough, because you cannot see the real balance cock without a close inspection and always knowing this matter, anyway it is more visible than in A7750 based movements. This avoids the possible problems produced by the reduction of the real balance cock. As above commented maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has, in this movement the shape of this decoration balance cock is much more accurate than ZFac V2, very similar to ZFac improved V2.5 and KW V2. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout the same as the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. The brushing and finish are very good, better than in ZFac movements.
Bridges inscriptions have accurate fonts. The finish, colour and thickness of fonts are accurate enough but a bit thicker and worse than ZFac inscriptions and with some variations between batches. But we have to say that ZFac movements have overall better inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined engravings.
The overall layout is correct, but the accuracy of inscription positions, in relation with the case, is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @6, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that, but much less than in A7750 based movements where the balance wheel is placed @11. This movement has a shape and size of the balance wheel “hole” very accurate, but smaller than A7750 based movements and gen, getting a great gen-like appearance but inferior than A7750 movements.
With above mentioned features this KP9000-Seagull V2 movement has overall better accuracy than previous versions, making this movement the most accurate decorated based P.9000 starting 2015 with advantage over the A7750 based decorations either Zfac V2.5 or KW V2. Besides Seagull movement is cheaper and overall more reliable.
Although above improvements always bear in mind that, despite these movements have NON-inverted layout, they still have the balance wheel placed @6 instead of @7 like gen.
Below is showed movement KP9000-Seagull V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel.

GEN P.9000 – KW-V6Fac DECORATED SEAGULL NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone (balance wheel “hole” and decoration of balance cock) seems in this movement much more accurate than in ZFAc V2, very similar to ZFac V2.5 and KW V2.
The rest of the watch, as above commented, is the same as previous KW-V6Fac version fitted with A7750 based movement previously reviewed.

CONCLUSIONS
Since the rep is the same as previous version the difference is just the new movement decorated Seagull NON-inverted. This movement is more accurate (balance wheel @6 closer to gen @7) and at least is as reliable as A7750. Due to closed caseback this difference of movement accuracy doesn’t justify an upgrading of evaluation. Therefore we will keep the evaluation of Good rep bordering First Class rep status. Due to accuracy, reliability and, besides, cheaper price, this version is IMO the best option in October 2015. Although A7750 lovers will prefer previous KW-V6Fac version fitted with decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
If you can live with the inaccurate rep Carbotech pattern you can upgrade a step this rep.


-JF Carbotech w/decorated & modified Asian NON-inverted JP9000-BW@9
September 2015- JFac released a rep PAM 616 without Series with PN XXXXXXX serial number made of Carbotech.
The greatest innovation in this rep is a new JF movement. Although some announcements from dealers are saying that it is a new Clone, as we will see below this movement is not at all a Clone, it is actually a decorated Asian movement (unknown) like Manifattura P.9000 with NON-inverted layout. The placement of Balance wheel is @9 in this JF movement. Being this placement @9 diametrically opposite to the Crown, it is more noticeable IMO than @6 (Seagull) and @11 (A7750) of previous decorated movements. We could call this movement JP9000-BW@9

GEN P.9000 – SF DECORATED ASIAN NON-INVERTED COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position

This movement has some advantages in relation with existent rep movements, because it has some gen P.9000 functions that previous rep movement didn’t have, like adjustable date in both directions clockwise or anti-clockwise and adjustable hour hand independently of the minute and second hands.
But it has also some important flaws:
-Second hand axle is clearly placed closer to the central axle
-Date window and date wheel fonts have also inaccurate placement, window and mainly the date fonts are also clearly displaced to the center.
-Date fonts are completely inaccurate really bigger than gen. The colour is more yellow than the dial markers colour.
In below pic you can see above mentioned differences, comparing gen, KW-V6Fac and SF version. Please note the green lines of SF movement and the orange lines of gen a KW-V6Fac. Green lines are clearly displaced to the center in relation with orange lines position.

PLACEMENT OF DATE WINDOW AND SECONDS HAND AXLE – DATE FONTS PLACEMENT AND ACCURACY
GEN – KW-V6Fac – SF COMPARISON

-Main circular bridge of decoration is bigger than gen. Indeed we can see a half of the engravings on bridges remain under the rotor, whereas in gen and other rep decorated movements the engravings are completely visible and are not hidden by the rotor
-Rotor bearing cup is different from gen (really noticeable)
-The Balance wheel “hole” is smaller and really inaccurate, in the same way as the first inaccurate ZFacs.
-The diameter of the Balance wheel is similar to gen (more accurate than previous rep movements) but the placement of the balance wheel axle is also very close to the center, producing a weird and inaccurate look.
-Due to above commented placement of the balance wheel axle, the decoration of the balance cock is completely different from gen
Engravings on bridges and rotor are nicely made but the colour is a bit darker
Above mentioned flaws, the obviously decorated balance cock, the false escapement wheel and the decoration of the main bridge denote it is a decorated and modified unknown Asian movement and not a Clone. Which could be the reason to make a Clone with all above mentioned differences?
See a pic of the movement with decoration removed and the own decoration in below post :
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/269431-new-JF-616?p=2500087&viewfull=1#post-2500087 by rnrprof

SF P.9000 DECORATED ASIAN NON-INVERTED W/ BALANCE WHEEL @9 - SP9000-BW@9
(Figure extracted from rnrprof post)

Despite the gen functions available, with such a flaws this movement cannot be considered as a better alternative for P.9000 reps than the current competitors like the ZFac ZP9000-V2.5 and the KW-V6Fac KP9000-V2.
Movement flaws in the back could be admitted mainly for closed caseback watches, but clearly bad placed second hand axle and date window with displaced and bigger fonts are noticeable and serious flaws on dial which will avoid getting good evaluations for the reps fitted with this movement.

More info about this movement decorated Asian movement modified SP9000-BW@9 in below links:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=258800 by Puretime
Comments about the new movement
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/269431-new-JF-616 by rnrprof
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/273395-New-p9000-clone-movement-released-on-pam359 by sweden
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/260695-New-616-569-from-JF?p=2435002&viewfull=1#post-2435002 by Jonnyknox

CARBOTECH MATERIAL
JF Carbotech presents, as in all reps, inaccurate pattern with two tones and “zebra” effect. It is very noticeable in bezel, being an obvious tell of the rep. The effect is less noticeable in mid case but it is always more contrasted in colours than gen.
Anyway, usually JF reps present much less contrasted “zebra” effect because are using two colours of carbon fibers much less different between them, maybe using also less difference of orientation between layers. The “zebra” effect is even smoother than in ZFac, but it is still more inaccurate because, there are only two few differentiated tones and somehow the Carbotech pattern is lost. Maybe this few contrasted tones of colour produce that JF bezel knurking, like happened on ZFac reps, looks more black than the rest of the watch, as you can usually see in JF Carbotech reps. “Delamination” is sometimes evident in the borders of the carbon fiber layers of the bezel surface with whitish colour and a bit raised material. Regarding the material finish and surface appearance we can see is good and seemingly consistent.
MID-CASE
Cushion and lugs shape are as accurate as KW-V6Fac. Lug holes are well placed. See below the case shape comparison pic with gen

CASE SHAPE - GEN – JF COMPARISON

BEZEL
Aside the issue of Carbotech pattern and “delamination”, bezel shape and knurling are accurate. The edges are not as nice, clean, and sharp as gen but the quality is usually good enough and consistent.
Pearl is accurate enough, maybe the shape is the most accurate of three current versions, slightly domed like gen, glossy like gen, but, unfortunately, the colour is completely wrong, really yellow. Even the black rim contour is most likely also the most accurate, with flat upper edge, unfortunately the own pearl lume material fills the rim in excess and covers a part of the upper edge and, in this way, pearl looks bigger whereas rim looks thinner. The final result is really inaccurate.

BEZEL PEARL - JF – GEN COMPARISON

Black bezel little dots are accurate, raised almost like gen, less glossy than the other versions, just more accurate. Big numeral dots (15, 30, 45) are accurate but have a little bolder numeral fonts. The colour of numerals are not golden like gen and matches the dial lume or is even more white.
The minute markers from 12 to 3 are well made, but painted with inaccurate colour matching the 15-30-45 bezel markers instead of golden.
Many people think that the lume and above commented markers should match, but, as above commented, the gen bezel markers are actually golden. Only KW-V6Fac minute markers from 12 to 3 are golden colour.
CROWN GUARD - CROWN
The same comments as above in relation with Carbotech material. CG of this version has accurate shape, with good finish but with wrong cornmers withour chamfered. CG lever is OK with the tip much thinner and longer than gen, with clearly sharper edges, and very detached from the case, the rounded tappet pushing the crown is not accurate, very angked and wurth wring roller, JF lever is the worse of 2015 reps. CG pin is KW-like matt and flat. Gen has not a defined CG pin because as Polonus has stated there are gens with matt and flat pin and gens with glossy and rounded edges pin. Therefore it is somehow accurate.
REG. T.M. engravings are less evident in gen, maybe because in gen are not an engraving but stamped letters. Fonts and placement are not perfect but the differences are few noticeable.
Crown is accurate with correct thickness
See comparison pics in previous review of KW-V6Fac version
CASEBACK
Made of Titanium. Engravings on caseback are sharp but a bit less deep than gen.
FIRENZE-1860-OP 7026-PN XXXXXXX are well placed, but the fonts are a bit inaccurate because they are a bit taller.
Inner circle engravings with a little bigger fonts and placed a bit outwards.
No Production number R XXX/500
OFFICINE PANERAI–SUBMERSIBLE external circle engravings with accurate placement, but the fonts of SUBMERSIBLE are clearly bigger than gen.
DIAL
Layout- is overall good , not as perfect as KW-V6Fac or ZFac. “6” marker and L SWISS MADE L are placed a bit lower. As commented in movement section date window is placed closer to the center and date fonts are really bigger
Dot markers – Thicker rim contour and lighter colour (more white)
Numeral markers – Thicker fonts, the lume colour is also lighter (more white), accurate lume application, just a bit less raised sausage and less glossy than gen, with a very slim lighter contour. I have seen some gen PAM 6161 without this slim contour and some others with the contour. The contour of the gen when is present has the same colour as lume material and is almost no noticeable. Anyway, these differences are visible by good macro pics, in real size are few noticeable and less if you don’t know this matter. See below pics to illustrate the differences. See comparison pics in the review of KW-V6Fac, it is the same for all 2105 PAM 616 reps.
Inscriptions-they are overall worse than KW and ZFac, lighter colours, slightly inaccurate fonts, some differences on placement, but still shiny, raised, sharp and nicely defined
Date fonts- Inaccurate and bigger than gen
Cannon pinion- flat and well polished but much bigger than gen, most likely due to it is a cup.
Hands- accurate, with correct lume quality of application, lume colour a bit lighter .
Lume in darkness- strong lume with correct green colour.
Concentric circles on seconds subdial @9 are not visible in gen subdial. In this regard JF is not accurate (the same as JF rep), concentric circles are really visible an deep and are really noticeable. These big gooves don’t allow that paint can cover the groves and produce wrong shiny reflections. This covering is of course really variable and depends on the viscosity and thickness of the painting. Similar to ZFac subdial in this regard and obviously less accurate than KW-V6Fac. See the comparison pics on KW-V6Fac review
STRAP
Nice standard submersible 26mm accordion strap but with black, matte DLC’ed buckle. Soft enough almost like gen. Nicely applied Blue OP Logo. Good overall rep strap
More info here:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/260695-New-616-569-from-JF by Jojo88
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/263884-Which-edition-Is-the-best-for-PAM-616 by waltergoh

CONCLUSIONS
This SF PAM 616 Carbotech version is overall a good attempt from the maker. Unfortunately, aside the issues inherent to Carbotech material, it has many other flaws and some of them really bothering and non acceptable with the current level of PAM reps. Since the caseback is closed we can admit the inaccuracies on movement and we like the gen features added. Inaccurate lume colours, inaccurate painting colour of bezel markers (numerals and sticks), inaccurate pearl colour, bolder numeral markers on dial and “6” bad placed, inaccurate date fonts, bad placement of date window and seconds axle, nice but bigger CP, wrong roller on CG lever… are many flaws to get better evaluation than just Good rep and obviously the worse option in October 2015.



PAM 616 Carbotech
REPLICA links:
-KW-V6Fac Forged Carbon w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
http://www.kuvarsit.watch.com/panerai/panerai-pam-616-real-carbon-version-1-p.9000-movement-from-kw/http://puretime.watch/product/pam616-forged-carbon-v6f-special-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-p9000/
http://www.ts-station.co/16537-pa16537-pam616-forged-carbon-v6f-ru-p9000.html not available
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+616&product_id=1768
http://www.intime.co/panerai/1984-pam616-forged-carbon-v6f-special-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-p9000.htmlhttp://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13260

-KW-V6Fac Carbotech w/A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2
http://www.kuvarsit.watch/kw-products/panerai/best-edition-panerai-pam-616-carbotech-real-carbon-v-p.9000-movement-from-kw/
http://puretime.watch/product/pam616-carbotech-v6f-best-edition-on-blue-logo-black-rubber-strap-p9000/
http://www.ts-station.co/16729-pa16729-pam616-forged-carbon-v6f-ru-p9000-v2.html
http://www.7750asian.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3476
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1599
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2035-pam616-carbotech-v6f-best-edition-on-blue-logo-black-rubber-strap-p9000.html
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13392
http://www.pf-818.com/pn616p01-carbotech-p-17330.html

-ZFac Carbotech w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5
http://pure-time.com/product/pam616-carbotech-zf-best-edition-on-blue-logo-black-rubber-strap-p9000/
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1600
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2121-pam616-carbotech-zf-best-edition-on-blue-logo-black-rubber-strap-p9000.html

-KW-V6Fac Carbotech w/decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-SeagullV2
http://www.kuvarsit.watch/kw-products/panerai/best-edition-panerai-pam-616-carbotech-real-carbon.-seagull-st2555-movement-from-kw/
http://pure-time.com/product/pam616-carbotech-lite-v6f-best-edition-on-blue-logo-black-rubber-strap-p9000/
http://www.ts-station.co/17251-pa17251-pam616-forged-carbon-v6f-ru-p9000-seagull-st255-v2.html
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13714

-JF Carbotech w/decorated & modified Asian NON-inverted JP9000-BW@9
http://puretime.watch/product/pam616-carbotech-jf-best-edition-on-blue-logo-black-rubber-strap-p9000-clone/
http://www.ts-station.co/17612-pa17612-pam616-forged-carbon-jf-1-1-ru-p9000.html
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2330-pam616-carbotech-jf-best-edition-on-blue-logo-black-rubber-strap-p9000-clone.html

GEN links:
http://www.bhindi.com/blog/panerai-luminor-submersible-1950-carbotech-3-days-automatic-pam00616
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_378.html
http://www.panerai.com/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor-1950/luminor-submersible-1950-carbotech-3-days-automatic---47mm_pam00616.search.html?wmf-case=0&wmf-movement=0&search=616&wmf-function=0&wmf-casediameter=0&wmf-material=0&wmf-color=0
http://www.horbiter.com/en/panerai-luminor-submersible-1950-carbotech-sihh-live/#!prettyPhoto
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-20/panerai-makes-19-500-watch-with-a-carbon-fiber-composite-normally-used-in-car-brakes
http://www.thewatchology.com/panerai-luminor-submersible-1950-carbotech-pam-616/
http://blog.perpetuelle.com/dive-watches/sihh-2015-panerai-pam-616-luminor-submersible-1950-carbotech/
http://www.deployant.com/sihh-2015-panerai-luminor-submersible-1950-carbotech-3-days-pam-616/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXLr_rGzJ24
12-5



GUIDE Section B
See below (next post)

 

[ALE7575]

GUIDE Section B


5.4- GUIDE Section B
Paneari Replica Guide placed by PAM Types and Related watches




LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR BASE

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

ENGRAVINGS IN CASEBACKS OF THE PANERAI LINE OF LUMINOR MARINA BOTIQUES SPECIAL EDITION
LUMINOR MARINA

ENGRAVINGS IN CASEBACKS OF THE PANERAI LINE OF LUMINOR MARINA BOUTIQUES SPECIAL EDITION N-series
LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 40mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 40mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 40mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 40mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 40mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR MARINA AUTOMATIC 44mm

LUMINOR with HUNTER LID

LUMINOR with HUNTER LID

LUMINOR POWER RESERVE

LUMINOR POWER RESERVE

LUMINOR POWER RESERVE

LUMINOR POWER RESERVE

LUMINOR POWER RESERVE

LUMINOR POWER RESERVE

LUMINOR GMT 40mm

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR GMT

LUMINOR CHRONO 40mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 40mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 40mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 44mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 44mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 44mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 44mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 44mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 44mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 44mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 44mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 44mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 44mm

LUMINOR CHRONO 44mm

LUMINOR 1950 MANUAL

LUMINOR 1950 MANUAL

LUMINOR 1950 MANUAL

LUMINOR 1950 MANUAL

LUMINOR 1950 MANUAL

LUMINOR 1950 MANUAL

LUMINOR 1950 MANUAL

LUMINOR 1950 MANUAL

LUMINOR MARINA 1950 AUTOMATIC 42mm

LUMINOR MARINA 1950 AUTOMATIC 42mm

LUMINOR MARINA 1950 AUTOMATIC

LUMINOR MARINA 1950 AUTOMATIC

LUMINOR MARINA 1950 AUTOMATIC

LUMINOR MARINA 1950 AUTOMATIC

LUMINOR MARINA 1950 AUTOMATIC

LUMINOR MARINA 1950 AUTOMATIC

LUMINOR MARINA 1950 AUTOMATIC

REPLICA VERSION MADE OF ALUMINIUN DLC COATED
LUMINOR MARINA 1950 AUTOMATIC

REPLICA VERSION MADE OF STAINLESS STEEL DLC COATED





LUMINOR 1950 GMT 42mm

LUMINOR 1950 GMT

LUMINOR 1950 GMT

LUMINOR 1950 GMT

LUMINOR 1950 GMT

LUMINOR 1950 GMT

LUMINOR 1950 GMT

LUMINOR 1950 GMT

LUMINOR 1950 GMT

LUMINOR 1950 TOURBILLON

LUMINOR 1950 CHRONO

LUMINOR 1950 CHRONO

LUMINOR 1950 CHRONO

LUMINOR 1950 CHRONO

LUMINOR 1950 CHRONO

LUMINOR 1950 CHRONO

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 44mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE 47mm

RADIOMIR BASE 45mm

RADIOMIR BASE 45mm

RADIOMIR BLACK SEAL 45mm

RADIOMIR BLACK SEAL 45mm

RADIOMIR BLACK SEAL 45mm

RADIOMIR BLACK SEAL 45mm

This is the replica version made of Black Sandblasted Ceramic like the gen.
RADIOMIR BLACK SEAL 45mm

This is the replica version made of SS Brushed PVD coated Matt Black finish.
RADIOMIR BLACK SEAL 45mm

RADIOMIR BLACK SEAL 45mm

RADIOMIR POWER RESERVE 45mm

RADIOMIR BASE 47mm

RADIOMIR BASE 47mm

RADIOMIR BASE 47mm

RADIOMIR Titanium 47mm

RADIOMIR Titanium 47mm

RADIOMIR Titanium 47mm

RADIOMIR PLATINUM 47mm

RADIOMIR POWER RESERVE 47mm

RADIOMIR POWER RESERVE 47mm

RADIOMIR POWER RESERVE 47mm

RADIOMIR POWER RESERVE 47mm

RADIOMIR POWER RESERVE 47mm

RADIOMIR POWER RESERVE 47mm

RADIOMIR POWER RESERVE 47mm

RADIOMIR POWER RESERVE 47mm

RADIOMIR POWER RESERVE 47mm

RADIOMIR POWER RESERVE 47mm

RADIOMIR CHRONO 42mm

RADIOMIR CHRONO 45mm

RADIOMIR CHRONO 45mm

RADIOMIR 1940

RADIOMIR 1940

RADIOMIR 1940 CHRONO

RADIOMIR 1940 CHRONO

RADIOMIR Egiziano

RADIOMIR Egiziano

RADIOMIR MARE NOSTRUM

GUIDE Section C – PAM GUIDE EXCEL TABLE


5.5- GUIDE Section C – PAM GUIDE EXCEL TABLE
Below you can see a partial view of the PAM GUIDE EXCEL TABLE:

****DOWNLOAD****
You can download the complete and updated PAM GUIDE EXCEL TABLE which contains all models and features above indicated in the link as follows:


CURRENT VERSION PAM GUIDE EXCEL TABLE
Updated 27th July 2014
http://www.mediafire.com/view/4r0gc7woaa824zh/PANERAI_GUIDE_-_ALE7575_-_Updated__27th_July_2014_-.xls


This Excel Table will be periodically updated with changes and modifications that occur or with the introduction of new replicas. Therefore it is recommended to download periodically this PAM GUIDE EXCEL TABLE


In this way, you can get this EXCEL TABLE and use it with all abilities of the EXCEL software in order to make easier the Search, Identification and Selection of a Panerai Replica which meets your requirements.
It is strongly recommended to use the “AUTOFILTER” function (indexes in line nº4 of the Table) in the process of Search, Identification & Selection of Panerai watches.


The cells marked orange are the gen features which the reps are not getting. Place the cursor in the cell to read the comments.












6- OEM & AFTERMARKET STRAPS FOR PANERAI WATCHES

As commented at the beginning of this Thread, you can change completely the look of your Panerai just changing the strap. Almost all Panerai models accept every type of strap and you can adapt the style of your watch to your taste or to all situations and environments.
There is a huge range and a lot of Strap types for Panerai watches in the market.
Panerai Watches are especially prepared for an easy change of the strap. You can literally change the watch in few minutes. See Section 6.2- HOW TO CHANGE THE STRAP IN A PANERAI WATCH

See 19 strap combos for PAM 243 in below link:
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/07/on-request-19-strap-combos-for-panerai.html
See 6 strap combos for PAM 127 Fiddy in below link:
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/05/how-about-some-fiddy-photos-for.html
See this general information of Panerai straps:
http://www.viapaneristi.com/wonderfulstraps.htm


REVIEWS ABOUT STRAPS Gen & aftermarket - Comparisons

By Carrera906
OEM vs. Noob Accordion rubber dive strap 24mm
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=178406
By Justlounging
{*PC Team*} Comparison Between Gen and Rep Panerai Straps
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/?t=116109
By Bluffer843
Panerai Assolutamente rep vs OEM comparison
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=116104
By BMW760
PAM 26mm OEM Buckle vs Rep Comparison
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-26mm-oem-119078?p=1168303
By Rogerthat
Panerai PAM390 on 18 High End Straps (no rep. no rubber)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=122953
by Cheesemonger
PAM 22mm OEM Buckle vs Rep Comparison
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=173845






6.1- WRIST PERIMETER AND STRAP DIMENSIONS


In below Table you can find the standard strap dimensions according to your wrist perimeter. This is for a case of watch about 44mm of diameter, strap about 3mm thickness or less, medium remaining tail in the long side of the strap and regular pressing strap.

Please bear in mind, according your requirements, the changes as follows:


- Strap thickness more 3-3,5 mm you will have to increase a step the strap length.
- Strap very thick (5 mm or thicker) you will have to increase two steps the length.
- If you like a long remaining tail, increase 5-10mm the length of the long side.
- If you like looser strap increase a step the length.
- Using watches of more than 44mm of diameter you will have reducing a step the length.



6.2- LINKS FOR PANERAI OEM STRAPS
Panerai OEM Tan Straps
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1231597153/The+OEM+Tan+strap+explained%85+pics+and+descriptions+of+the+different+OEM+tan+straps
Panerai Vintage buckles and straps
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1212438219/The+buckle+chronicles+-+vintage%2C+special+thanks+to+Sig.+Ferretti
Paneari Pre-V buckles and straps
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1212388995/Follow+up+to+the+PreV+buckle+and+strap+request
Paneari buckles
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1212249440/Covac%2C+You+asked+for+some+strap-porn+-
Panerai straps in general
http://paneristi.com/archives/strapking/index.html
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353393/
Paneari Pre-V straps
http://www.paneristi.com/straps/prevendome.html
Panerai Vendome straps
http://www.paneristi.com/straps/vendome.html
Panerai PAV straps
http://www.paneristi.com/straps/PAV/pav_straps.html
Panerai oficial website straps
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=19





6.3- LINKS TO PANERAI AFTERMARKET STRAPS

RWI STRAP TRUSTED DEALERS
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=167

http://www.achstraps.com/
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=105466
http://www.facebook.com/PrimeStraps
http://snprstrap.wordpress.com/
http://8artisans.com/index.php/
http://www.panatime.com
http://halcyonstraps.blogspot.com.es/
http://www.migliorestraps.com/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353393/thread/1283340627/last-1283340627/Paneristi+Anniversary+++My+Birthday+-+Once-A-Year+Strap+SALE!!!
http://www.savagestraps.com/
http://www.freewebs.com/ttstraps/
http://www.freewebs.com/ttstraps/strapsavailablenow.htm
http://gunnystraps.blogspot.com.es/
RECOMMENDED STRAP MAKERS OF THIS PANERAI GUIDE
This is a selection of good makers made with the help and advice of Bonesey.
http://www.kainheritage.com/
http://www.heroic18.com/
http://db10straps.tumblr.com/
http://www.wotancraft.com/shop/
http://www.mariopaci.com/
http://www.distefanostraps.com/
http://www.zeugmastraps.com/





THE DEFINITIVE STRAP LIST
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=17560


http://www.strapculture.com/
http://replica-watch.cc/forum/index.php?board=55.0
http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewforum.php?f=88
http://www.internationalwatchman.com/
http://www.europelli.com/
http://www.waccex.de
http://www.mariopaci.com/
http://www.manifatturefirenze.it/
http://www.strap-works.com/collection.htm
http://www.strapmastersusa.com/
http://gregstraps.blogspot.com/
http://www.tcstraps.com
http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewforum.php?f=39
http://www.strapcode.com/
http://www.taikonaut-time.com/indexa.asp
http://www.kaktus-straps.com/home.htm
http://www.abp-paris.com/panerai_straps
http://www.jean-rousseau.com/htm/custom.htm
http://www.germano.de/
http://www.homestead.com/rlx/DON6
http://www.sirtoli.com/
http://www.bigwatchforum.com/boutique/
http://www.globalwatchband.com/
http://www.watches24seven.com/
http://www.panatime.com/
http://www.banda.com/
http://www.thewatchprince.com/
http://altstraps.com/
http://www.paneristi.com/straps/index


SPANISH STRAP MAKERS
You can find bellow some links to Spanish Strap Makers
Good quality and craftsmanship at a reasonable price
C&BStraps Jose Maria
http://cbstraps.blogspot.com.es/
DidymoStraps
http://www.didymostraps.com/
JacobStraps
http://jacobstraps.blogspot.com.es/
http://www.jacobstraps.com/
Pakin
http://www.pakstraps.com





OTHER STRAP MAKERS
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showforum=319 Nero straps
http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...nd+accessories
http://timeconnection.biz/page/timeco/CTGY/Giovanni
http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w315/UTTrading/
http://vintagerstraps.com/
http://www.strap-works.com/main.htm
http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/pam2pam/
http://www.strappedfortime.com/LeatherWatchBands.html
http://www.waccex.de/catalog/
http://www.abp-paris.com/
http://www.jrartesania.com/frame1.htm
http://www.thestrapsmith.com/The_Str...ap_albums.html
http://www.strapcode.com/store/index...a527abee88c395
http://www.2dstraps.com/

 

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6.4- HOW TO CHANGE THE STRAP IN A PANERAI WATCH


LUMINOR CASE THE NEW (RELEASE BUTTON) AND THE OLD SYSTEM (SCREW)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9R5XeGPGdo



LUMINOR CASE THE NEW SYSTEM WITH QUICK RELEASE BUTTON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsu1jvnImN8

RADIOMIR CASE THE SISTEM WITH DETACHABLE LUGS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIqFEhNxlyc








6.5- WATCH-STRAP COMBO GALLERY – Ideas, Clues

The PAM REVIEW-GUIDE Gallery
Source Wristwatch blog

BONESEY’s PICS AND STRAPS

BONESEY’s PICS AND STRAPS


Interesting Combo Gallery from Di Stefano Straps
See above link for a lot of beautiful Combos from this Italian Strap maker
http://www.distefanostraps.com/galleria.asp

Interesting Combo Gallery from VIA PANERISTI
See above link for a lot of beautiful Panerai Combos and strap and buckles information
http://www.viapaneristi.com/wonderfulstraps.htm



AKNOWLEDGEMENTS

Thanks to all RWI members and friends who have cooperated or have been involved in the process of creating and organizing this PAM REVIEW-GUIDE Thread, mainly in the Evaluation of the PAM replicas.
-Especially for their help changing the final evaluation to: BOUDART, co-axial, kaniel, AHX, Mr.RadioActive, nlnlnlnene, thedoover, mrsimple123, DFH, mano36, Luxuriozicon.
-And other contributors: Mr.Pap, Phil UK, revhrd, goin6633, djfrestyl, BADWIN BING, nielsen, OceanView, countit, ddc, madcatlancelot, tranzmizzion, tonyyamine, mysterio, chromed, Xtian, watchfaker, nycreplica, silay, scarface, Torfer, frigpig, rouverhage, Artie Lange, Articblade, crazy1, PANERA, DdlyKnight, nomiswong, Tobin, allez, bclaud, tagman26.
-And Chou who encourages me to finish the EXCEL TABLE of the GUIDE

Thanks to my friend Bonesey who kindly helped me choosing the recommended strap makers and who knows much more than me about Panerai by far.

Thanks to my friend and dear workmate Torfer, who knew nothing about Panerai but now he knows a lot. Everyday Torfer has encouraged me and given me sound advices about this job. Somehow this Thread is made because him.

Special thanks to: PURETIME Watches International, the RWI Dealer of the Year 2011 and one of the best dealers of replica watches in the world, because almost all the pics and a lot of links in this Review-Guide are from its great Catalogue.
Thanks also to Timeshops because an important amount of the pics and links are from its great catalogue. Very good, professional and nice dealer.
Thanks to David of Davidsen DSN who has kindly sent to me the information of his magnificent replicas.
And thanks to the rest of very good dealers which the pics and links have been also included in this Review-Guide: Marvellous, Asian7750, Hont, Trusty Time, Perfect Clones and King Watches.

Thanks also to the websites of original Panerais, always the source and the reference for my information:
Official Web Panerai:
http://www.panerai.com
PaneraiSource
http://www.paneraisource.com
Paneristi:
http://paneristi.com
Wristwatch:
http://www.wristwatchphoto.com/2009/04/watches.html
And many thanks to all RWI members who have been confident of my threads and of this new PAM REVIEW-GUIDE

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As always this Thread is just a beginning and I remain waiting for your corrections, comments, modifications, suggestions, proposals, etc… in order to make this Review-Guide more useful for all RWI people.

Your kind attention is very appreciated,

ALE

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Well, AT LAST !!

After six months and more 500 hours of work I have already finished and uploaded the complete PAM REVIEW-GUIDE.

The hard work starts just now: correcting all mistakes, updating the Evaluations, updating it every day with all new introductions, modifying the data following sound advices of members, making improvements…

Concerning mistakes bear in mind that there are more than 1000 links and more than 1000 pics uploaded and about 150 replica models studied, a lot of them with several versions and makers, that’s about 450 watches analyzed. It is impossible don’t make mistakes and it is very important (mainly for the beginners) to correct them as soon as possible. I’m counting on your cooperation indicating the mistakes you can find in order to correct them immediately.

Concerning mini-Reviews and Evaluations, sorry for all mistakes which I have surely made. It is obvious that I cannot know perfectly all reps and all gen PAM to have an exact criteria to evaluate the watches in an infallible way. Moreover, any evaluation has a big part of subjectivity. We will need the kind opinions and help of everyone.

I hope to have your knowledge and support to make the PAM REVIEW-GUIDE more exact, correct, useful and helpful for all members.

Thanks for your kind cooperation. I shall do my best.
Regards
ALE

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