Good day friends.
In the past year, there were many releases, despite all the difficulties, and in continuation of this topic:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9556956-best-panerai-rep-2020
decided to extend this discussion with a little more specificity for each model that was released in 2020.
There will be a conversation for "good" and "bad", therefore, I immediately have to make a reservation:
I do not classify anything, this is not my competence, at the moment, I just describe what I saw myself and what other forum members wrote and told about.
This is not so much my research as a collection of information already available, which has been discussed in various topics over the past year.
Most of these watches have already flashed on the forum, but there are not many detailed reviews, much less gen / rep comparisons, so many thoughts may have less basis than they should be.
Therefore, for each model, I mention on the basis of what, an estimate was made by the level of the amount of data:
- Just Photo TD
- Photos of QC participants, or your own.
- Detailed reviews and comparisons.
- Comparison with GEN
Objectively, you can see everything only by yourself holding gen and rep in your hands, or at least looking at a high-quality parallel comparison.
Theoretically - by looking at the photo of the watch in question yourself.
There is only data collection, and my personal thoughts, for those who may be interested in them, well, or simply because I cannot keep them with me lol.
I must say right away that the point of the review is to define the quality of REP, which, in my humble opinion, is GEN compliance.
I DO NOT WANT to offend anyone's feelings for my favorite watch.
BUT I will call a spade a spade.
If some model, despite all the flaws, looks beautiful, this does not mean that this is a good rep, it is just a beautiful watch.
If someone doesn't care how a function works in their watch, we mostly don't want factories to care less.
If some watch has a stunning design, despite the fact that the elements of the original model do not match, then this watch has the right to life, but it is not an exact copy of the target model, and such a manufacturer probably needs to make a separate product line with an individual design, without tying them to the gen brand.
Again, if we have several wonderful versions of a certain model, and today we get another one, and it lags behind the previous ones, then this is a step back, which I assess as bad, despite the possible lack of alternatives to the purchase.
Just what I wanted to say.
Yes, I am attaching a photo, not to consider the shortcomings, but simply to visualize the object of discussion.
And so, let's remember what we saw, in order of increasing ref:
1. PAM634
● Factory: HWF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- Roller on the CG lever, which GEN does not have.
- Lack of "Paneristi" engraving on the CG lever.
- Lume does not look saturated enough in color, which is especially noticeable on the hands.
- The structure and shape of the cut of the sausage is not similar to gen.
- The dial fonts look a little too bold.
- Backcase 12 faces instead of round.
- Screws in lugs, instead of springbars.
- The CG is not the correct shape, it is worth clarifying something when and if photos from the participants appear, but the cutout window for the crown is clearly larger, and it seems the whole front of the CG is not correct.
- The case needs to be considered in detail, it seems there are a number of problems, but without additional photos, and taking into account all this list of factual errors, it seems that it does not make sense at this stage.
● Thoughts and comments:
HWF is a new factory, which decided to start with panerai, and it is on 6497. There are many questions about the photos, I don't see real photos of buyers.
V6F already made this model with a lot of mistakes, but HWF got around them.
You can describe everything, but it's pointless. Simply, this is not an exact copy, but an imitation. Likewise, one could compare a couple of different models and list the disadvantages.
This is a bad rep. All they could have missed was missed.
Hopefully, henceforth, the factory will show more attention to detail.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9486021-hw-factory-pam634-774-777-915
2. PAM692
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Of course, first of all, the material of the case is titanium, instead of the BMG alloy, which should differ both visually and in properties, but it is not obvious enough for it to be found upon purchase.
- The vertical edges of the CG window have more rounded edges.
- The inner corners of the CG are perfectly sharp, while the gen is slightly rounder.
- CG fonts on rep are thinner.
- The bezel rounds are slightly higher, they do not have such obvious gaps in a circle.
● Thoughts and comments:
This, according to the results of the survey in the previous thread, is probably the most beloved pam in 2020, therefore, I will definitely not write about all the points here, and a detailed review will be made on it, in all the smallest details, corresponding to the high quality level of this rep, so here I will write only the main thing that is noticeable upon a cursory examination.
In the end, I think that this is a great continuation of the tradition of v6f 47mm submersibles, many of which, if not superrep, are somewhere very close.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8725959-vsf-pam692-new-release
3. PAM774
● Factory: HWF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- The thickness and shape of the case does not correspond to gen, which should carry p.6000, as a result, different thicknesses and proportions.
- The CG lever should not have a roller, and in general, the CG of a controversial form, for which more thorough research is needed.
- Screw rods, instead of springbars
- The dial fonts look bolder.
- The sausage is a little thicker and slightly different in shape.
- It is clear that we have a solid caseback, besides gen movt., It looks different, but the rep movt is badly done and not even branded.
- On the caseback, I would expect to see the serial number, but there is none.
● Thoughts and comments:
We have already seen not the most detailed rep v6f of this and subsequent models, but here everything is a little worse.
I don’t mind the bare movt., Even for the sake of economy, but I don’t see where this saved money went. They are not included in the price of the TD, or in other elements of this watch. Also with other disadvantages.
There are fans of green lume, which I do not belong to, but besides them, it seems that anyone else for this amount will choose pam000.
Considering how cheap these models from v6f were sold at the end, I would consider buying this model only as an alternative as the cheapest rep, I do not see any other ways to compete with all these shortcomings, and feedback from buyers in the topic of discussing this model. seems to confirm my guesses.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9486021-hw-factory-pam634-774-777-915
4. PAM777
● Factory: HWF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- The thickness and shape of the case does not correspond to gen, which should carry p.6000, as a result, different thicknesses and proportions.
- The CG lever should not have a roller, and in general, the CG of a controversial form, for which more thorough research is needed.
- Screw rods, instead of springbars
- The dial fonts look bolder and have interesting serifs that gen.
- The sausage is a little thicker and slightly different in shape.
- Everything related to movt. Is completely similar to the previous model.
● Thoughts and comments:
Copy and paste everything that is written about pam774.
I will only add that the difference in thickness between the OP.II models and the P.5000 models is already quite noticeable, and in the case of the P.6000 it is even more pronounced, and there are no solutions to this problem on the surface. This is already a sufficient drawback, in order to compensate for which, one must try as much as possible in the rest, and at least not make actual mistakes.
With 774/777 and so there is a little confusion, due to the presence of both round and 12-sided backcases, both open "6" and closed, series with sptlringbars and screws, and these correspondences were worth checking, or if you know these correspondences, take into account in the final release.
Just what we're waiting for.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9486021-hw-factory-pam634-774-777-915
5. PAM911
● Factory: NOOB
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification Level: Member Photos
● Disadvantages:
- Incorrect sandwich numbers and markers repeating the pam111 pattern that differs on sandwich 8 day models.
- Incorrect dial inscriptions, the position on the dial, intervals, fonts, in particular "A", are not observed.
- Wrong hands pre-v, instead of modern.
- Incorrect case with 6497, which differs in shape and, most importantly, thickness from the case for p.5000 models.
● Thoughts and comments:
All we did right was to take into account all the inscriptions on the caseback, and observe the color of the dial.
Otherwise, this is a failure on absolutely all fronts, both in factual errors and in overall quality.
Apparently, in a long process of waiting, too many wrote that they are ready to accept this model, even with flaws. No sooner said than done.
In addition to factual errors, I want to draw your attention to the fact that the watch is made as a whole poorly in quality, you can take a look at my review of noob pam390, everything that applies to it, applies to 911, and there is too much to tell about everything here.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9056333-new-pam-00911-by-noob-coming-soon
6. PAM915
● Factory: HWF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- Incorrect case, for 6497, which is thicker than gen for p. 5000
- The decorative plate for p.5000 is not made neatly enough, and does not correspond to the current design of p.5000 in terms of the regulator and a cutout with a part of attaching one of the gears.
● Own thoughts:
There are only a couple of obvious shortcomings, and one of them, in terms of the decorative plate, is not difficult to solve.
From the front, factual errors and obvious problems are not visible.
I consider a detailed examination and comparison necessary.
It won't be a superrep, but it might turn out no worse than many v6f decorated p.5000 that are loved and still often seen today.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9486021-hw-factory-pam634-774-777-915
7. PAM968
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: comparison with gen
● Disadvantages:
- Transparent caseback makes it possible to see p.9000 instead of p.9010, which are very noticeably different in appearance.
- Lume rep looks greener than gold gen, also less glossy and flat.
- The rep crystal has a fish-eye effect, as on 382, while gen 968, like all new submersibles, does not. However, this may have been fixed, many newer vsf no longer have this problem.
- Dial fonts are brighter, thicker.
- The edges and corners of the CG rep are not softened or rounded as much as gen.
- The lower chamfer around the bezel is narrower than gen.
- The stripes on the bezel are different in everything, in color, thickness, depth, shape.
- The bezel itself is lighter on rep.
- Rounds on the bezel do not have so many pronounced chamfers in a circle and a gap along the circumference to the cutout in the bezel.
- Hands are a little more reddish, in some photos, and it seems that they do not so accurately fall into the bronze color of the case.
● Thoughts and comments:
This is one of the favorites for 2020 rep of the year, according to a poll in Thread.
Thanks to the unique side-by-side comparison with gen, the link to which I attached below, we have the opportunity to pay attention not only to obvious flaws (for example, lume) and factual errors (p.9000, instead of p.9010), but also to relative inaccuracies that can be unearthed on many reps, with so much detailed look.
But the fact remains that any bronze pam is a hit, both gen and rep. And even taking into account that I do not really like ceramic inserts, the fact that it is brown even fell in love with me, and I understand that many would like this particular bronzo. However, we have to admit that this does not compare to pam382 and pam671 in terms of rep. It's a pity, but, as you can see from the reviews, this stops few people, although I don't see any particular advantages of rep 968 over 507, for example, which are almost absent in nature, due to the fact that most of them rejected them for an extra button on the side to set the date.
Everyone will make a decision for themselves, and the facts on the links below are more than enough for this.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8765808-pam968-vsf
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9127826-pam968-gen-vs-rep-mini-review
8. PAM974
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- First of all, of course, the weight of ss with gold plating, as opposed to gen from an alloy based on gold.
- P.9000, instead of OP.XXXIV under a transparent caseback.
- The shape of the case at the ends at the lugs attachment points.
- CP not correct in size.
● Thoughts and comments:
I did not elaborate on the differences in color and texture of the gold plating, and even the thickness, I suppose, there may also be a fish-eye effect, which gen.
Gold submersible has always been something exotic, and in any case, the demand for a rep of such a model is always slightly lower.
However, even in the case of searching for exactly this specificity, I would choose the pam684 from XF, which, despite its age, is still more accurate in general, and here VSF could not surpass.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8976798-vsf-pam974-new-release
9. PAM1025
Factory: VSF
Photo rep:
Photo gen:
Verification level: photos of participants
Disadvantages:
- Slightly thicker dial fonts with slightly richer color.
(In my opinion, like all similar vsf)
- Lume is slightly more saturated color.
(It might be worth comparing the parallel for a definite answer)
- The crown is slightly thicker at the end and slightly flatter at the top.
(Like all current vsf crowns for 44mm luminors 1950)
- CG without bevels to soften the edge and no rounding on the vertical sides of the crown window.
(Panerai finally gave up on the idea of collecting samples of our skin with the sharp edges of the window, while rotating the crown, making rounded bevels, but vsf is still in the game lol.)
● Thoughts and comments:
On a par with 1312 and 1313, one of the most accurate rap of the past year.
With this model it is a little more difficult than with the ones mentioned above, because the sunbrust dial is no matter how beautiful it will most likely differ from gen in a parallel comparison, and patinated lume is always difficult to match in color with gen.
However, caseback engraving with due attention from the factory is almost perfect, and there is no problem.
At the same time, unlike the 1312, this is a very rare watch, and it's unlikely to be compared to gen, but in design they are a little more diverse and bright.
I think this is an excellent release, and how to speak in such cases: An excellent contender for the first rep pam.
On occasion, I would suggest discussing and considering pam1025 vsf as a superrep contender.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9539947-vsf-pam1025
10. PAM1033
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants.
● Disadvantages:
- First and foremost, it has p.9001 instead of p.9011, and since the caseback is transparent, you can see it right away.
- The lume of the hands is weaker and shines in a different color than a sandwich.
- Lume sandwich and hands of a brighter and more yellow-saturated color.
- Dial fonts are brighter, yellower, thicker.
- Standard set of defects for CG and VSF crown.
- This is a matter of quality, not accuracy as is the case with the hands, but as with pam1313 there are complaints about DW centering.
● Thoughts and comments:
This is not accurate, but a handsome rep. It has its own niche, because it is larger than pam688 and does not have golden hands, and questions with their tinge, has the correct case material, unlike pam927, but looks more "rich" and interesting than the more restrained pam1313.
By the way, the blue color and texture of the dial, according to the assurances of the participants who are well acquainted with them, are very close to gen, and, I believe, is similar to pam1313.
A stylish watch, but unfortunately, it has both factual errors and shortcomings and quality problems.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9494496-vsf-pam1033-gmt
11. PAM1039
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- To all the standard minor flaws of 47mm submersibles VSF, we add, even first of all, not the ambiguity of the shade of red on the hands, and not the light gray color of the dial markers, by analogy with pam979, but primarily the color and texture of the dial.
This is clearly not a fixed canvas and does not look like it.
Thoughts and comments:
I think the most unsuccessful carbotech submersible from VSF.
Leaving aside the design specifics and the red accents with the black case, the attempt to make a very complex but beautiful dial failed.
If you are curious about time in a different time zone when using a 47mm carbon driver this is your only option, but a bad rep.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/7423802-pam01039-luna-rossa-challenger-submersible
12. PAM1042
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- Of course, the weight cannot be the same for SS gold plated rep and gold gen.
- Thickness 13.8mm versus 10.7mm gen.
- The CG thickness is not correct.
- Clone p.9000 instead of p.900 on gen, which is visible thanks to the transparent backcase.
- The color of the dial seems too white compared to gen.
- Lume color, looks a little more pink than a slightly yellowish gen
- I'm not sure about the shade of gold, and the coincidence of the color of the hands to the color of the case.
● Thoughts and comments:
This is not a popular model, for many fairly obvious reasons, both stylistic and gen-related. There are not many photos of both gen and rep under various lighting conditions to fully appreciate not obvious color solutions, such as the color of gold plating, hands, lume, and even the dial, but these are all rather subtle points, compared to the main disadvantages of replica gold watches ... I see absolutely no reason to choose this model, except for cases when you want to get this particular dial. There are no advantages to due thickness, and even if you want a gold rep, I personally would choose pam1112, which will be a little thicker in practice, but much closer to gen in this value.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9515985-vsf-pam1042
13. PAM1046
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- Thickness rep 13.8mm versus 10.7mm gen.
- The CG thickness is not correct. The dial looks pure white compared to the slightly creamy GEN dial.
- Serial number starts with "BB" although code "PL" is expected in "V" series.
- The color of lume seems to have a slightly different shade, more pink than yellow. (Not sure how it will be different in life)
● Thoughts and comments: Everything related to the color schemes of the dial and the prevalence of pam1042 can be attributed to this. Fortunately, there is no complexity of the transparent casback and the color of the gold plating, but the main fact is that while VSF is a hostage exclusively to the P.9000 and P.9001 clones, we cannot count on good reps luminor due, due to the impossibility of getting at least an approximate thickness. From there, difficulties with the correct scale of CG, and already the factory is not so careful about other shortcomings, including color ones. This is a kind of elegant watch, probably primarily for women, but you won't have to wait for precision from rep in the models of this collection.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9475145-vsf-pam1046
14. PAM1055
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- CP is greater than gen.
- The transition of the case to lugs is done on quite right, as well as on other cases 42mm submersibles from VSF
- Bevels on the vertical sides of the CG cut are less pronounced.
● Thoughts and comments:
This is a good rep who could have fought for superrep status if it weren't for the case shape errors that weren't present on the old 42mm submersibles from XF and CP. The rest of the shortcomings, like the bezel rounds, the width of the chamfers, and so on, are quite acceptable, and I did not write much about it.
The thickness is very close, the dial color is similar. Perhaps, when comparing in parallel on the color and structure of lume, something will also open, but I don't think this is a problem. I like the watch and the color scheme of the dial, stylistically (because all VSFs in this line have the same basic drawbacks), probably my favorites from 42mm.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8787792-vsf-pam1055-42mm
15. PAM1056
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- In addition to the standard set of flaws in the crown, CG, I do not see any critical problems. Yes, the color of the dial can probably show a discrepancy in a parallel comparison, but in some photos you can find analogues of the gen / rep shade, in any light, the same applies to the gold shade of the hands, and DW, which still seems a little darker compared to completely the same color dial / DW for gen.
● Thoughts and comments:
The standard set of small flaws from the VSF factory with this case, otherwise, this is a wonderful watch, extremely rare, therefore, I'm not sure that a situation will happen in which you will be called for inconsistencies in the tone of the dial color. There aren't many green rep pam dials at all, and if you're looking to buy the first one without messing with submersible, this is a great choice. I think this is one of the best and most complete rep panerai you can buy from TD today.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9215108-vsf-pam1056
16. PAM1112
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Of course, weight, because gen is made of gold alloy. From what is known: 201 versus 142, rep (apparently with a strap, straight and rods)
- There is an opinion that the finish / color of the RG coating is somewhat different from gen goldtech.
- P.9000 instead of P.9010 with transparent caseback is obvious.
- Like all models in this line from VSF, there are flaws in the crown and CG that are described in detail.
- The dial fonts are thicker / brighter.
- Lume looks too green.
- DW is blue, but in texture it is not as close to the cyberboat as GEN.
- As far as you can understand, this applies to all 44 and 47mm VSF models, but this particular caseback has a diameter of 45 mm instead of 44 mm required, as a result of which standard keys do not fit them.
● Thoughts and comments:
The version of pam1313, which, however, came out later, in a gold case with golden hands and a transparent caseback.
The dial is similar, so if you want a more accurate rep then the steel option is better.
If you need an RG model, then the level of expectation is obviously lower, because the weight, color will always be given by rep.
So, if the task is to buy a gold watch, then this is an excellent option, which has a lot of drawbacks, but still produces the necessary visual impression from a comma.
Don't take off your wrists or hold them and you will be happy with this rep.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9262454-vsf-pam1112-new-release
17. PAM1117
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- The case is made of sandblasted titanium, in contrast to the DMLS gen, by analogy with pam1662, which is noticeable in the texture and reaction to light. It seems that gen shines more in the light, and darker in the shadow, due to the coarser and more heterogeneous texture.
- On CG, the lume strip is not correct, due to the fact that VSF released the rep earlier than the gen, and there were many conflicting photos on the Internet. The strip is thin along the entire arc along the edge, although there should have been 2 thick ones, before and after the pin of the lever, by analogy with pam1118.
- I have not seen the photo of lumeshot, but by analogy with pam1119 and pam1118, you can guess that the glow of the dial font is not as bright as gen.
- The lume line on the CG lever is too long.
- There are doubts about the correctness of the caseback marking.
All gen photos that I could find have "blurred" numbers, but judging by the fact that the renders did not match the actual gens, this is most likely the case.
● Thoughts and comments:
The entire trilogy of the 70th anniversary of luminor turned out to be not entirely unambiguous, both from the point of view of gen, due to not the most expected design decisions, and rep, because VSF did not release models immediately, but all before the appearance of live samples on the market. The result, in the form of factual errors, was not long in coming. I will not delve into the specifics of finishing, subtleties of the dial and other small elements, because, there are more serious questions that make these deep studies not too significant. However, for those who love this design, VSF has made a wonderful gift, in a far from easy time, for new releases. Thanks to them for that too.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9424774-vsf-pam1117
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8832149-pam-1117-1118-and-1119-released
18. PAM1118
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants.
● Disadvantages:
- There is no roller on CG, unlike gen.
- Lever material on rep carbotech when gen appears to be pvd-coated metal. I can assume that it is more titanium, but this is just a guess, because, due to the coating, this cannot be said from the photo.
- Incorrect backcase markings, serial number BB instead of PL, case type OP7063, instead of OP7324
- The dial font has a weaker lume.
- As usual on the carbotech case, the springbars are not through holes.
● Thoughts and comments:
All errors are related to the reasons already named, but on this model, the correct lume pattern on the CG, which is already good.
Many gen photos show a slightly different shade of lume, less light green and more dirty yellow. I cannot comment on this, perhaps the specifics of how it looks in the photo of a blacker case than pam1117 and pam1119, but looking at group photos, it is clear that its color should be the same on all 3 models.
Also, consideration of the photo of gens suggests that the crown, like the CG lever, is not made of carbotech, but I have no reason to say 100% yet, although I believe in it.
Also, I see no reason to discuss the specifics of the dial and small elements, for the above reasons, but this does not mean that they do not exist (for example, a combination of the dial texture and DW)
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9143729-vsf-pam1118
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8832149-pam-1117-1118-and-1119-released
19. PAM1119
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Presumably, the material of the case is not fibrous, but a carbotech, although with the correct color, but not a similar pattern and texture. (I've heard different opinions, but I'm inclined to believe that this is a carbotech)
- Presumably not quite pronounced sunbrust effect.
- CG should not have lume from the front.
- Apparently, the caseback marking is again not completely correct, I only saw that the serial number begins not with BB, but with PL.
● Thoughts and comments:
There are a minimum of credible photos of gen, but the main points are pretty clear, and again there is an actual error. Not being a lume fan, I would go for pam1663 to try out new material, however this is a very rare model and it will take a long time before anyone knows which CG pattern on this particular model should be correct. By the way, it is interesting that pam1119 and pam1118 are 1mm thinner than pam1117, which is hardly reflected in the rep, although I have not yet seen measurements of all 3 copies, and even more so gen models.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9330490-vsf-pam-1119-new-release
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8832149-pam-1117-1118-and-1119-released
20. PAM1312
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants.
● Disadvantages:
- The crown is slightly irregular, it is thicker at the ends, and a little flatter, gen has a more pronounced "hill" at the point of contact of the lever.
- CG edges do not have a fine chamfer like on gen and remain sharp and geometric.
- The window for the crown in CG on the vertical edges seems to have a thin chamfer, but on gen these are now full-fledged bevels so that the process of rotating the crown is not accompanied by grinding the skin with a sharp edge.
- Lume in most of the photos seems to me a little more green, but for an accurate answer, a parallel comparison is necessary, and in any case, this is not critical.
- The shape of the tips of the CG lever looks overkill, but it's small.
● Thoughts and comments: Well, first of all, we need to clarify some not quite obvious at first points about gen: Yes, pam1312 has a solid caseback from 2020, and returns to a greenish white lume like pam312. Also, the p.9010 it is equipped with no longer has a beautiful finish, and does not have a stop-second function. Now about the rep VSF: To begin with, in my opinion, this is the most accurate and good release this year. Many considered the pam312 VSF superrep, and now, without adding any flaws from the front, we have a solid caseback that makes this model even more accurate. The thickness of the case is respected, you need to make a detailed comparison of its shape, but from everything I have seen so far, this is very good, and I do not see any strong flaws, and this is clearly worse than the old ZF and V6F 1312 and others. All subsequent models of this series, 1313, 1314, 1025, etc., have all the advantages and some disadvantages of the CG and crown shape, but these are no more than hints. On occasion, I'm ready to vote for awarding this model the superrep status, and I think that if someone wants to buy a new automatic pam that will be as similar to gen as possible, in my opinion, the pam1312 VSF is the best choice.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9505412-pam-1312-from-vsf-released
21. PAM1313
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Standard set of vsf new 1950 in crown and CG.
- There is a suspicion that the difference in color or texture between the dial and DW is not much different from that of gen. It takes a lot of photos to pinpoint the essence of the flaw, or Hazing who sees it well (lol, hello friend!)
- Lume is slightly greener.
- Dial fonts are bolder and brighter again.
- Many complaints about date centering. This is not a drawback, but something that you should pay attention to in QC, and this shift may not fall on all numbers. Perhaps a game with bad DW, which can be repeated, or can be corrected.
- Also, the sandwich in some angles seems less deep, and / or the edges of the cutouts of markers and numbers are unnecessarily rounded. Apparently this is due to the specifics of the blue dial.
● Thoughts and comments:
Like the neighboring models, this is a very good release in terms of accuracy and overall quality.
There is a feeling that they made it on the basis of 1312, because the lume is the same color, although in most photos of gen 1313 it looks more (which may be the specifics of the combination of the background with a blue dial, and not with a black one), as well as rounded bevels of the cuts may be a consequence additional coating and treatment of the standard 1312 dial, although these are all subtle points that are only visible under certain lighting and an acute angle.
In any case, the more varied photos of gen, over time, the clearer this moment will be, but now it is absolutely clear that 1313 is probably the most accurate rep with a blue sunbrust dial that you can buy new from TD today.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9526849-vsf-pam1313
22. PAM1314
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants.
● Disadvantages:
- Standard set of crown and CG flaws.
- White hands instead of polished steel.
- Lume is less dark than GEN.
- The dial fonts in the lume tone are somewhat lighter, although they are closer in thickness, and do not have the usual excessive thickness and brightness for VSF.
● Thoughts and comments:
The whole VSF series with this case is clearly impressive, but this time, the rush failed, and again an actual mistake was made, in accordance with the release's render, and the hands turned white instead of steel polished ones. As many participants noted, there is something beautiful in this, and even, perhaps, more logical, but this is not correct.
I really hope that VSF will release V2, it's not that difficult, or TD will offer a replacement to customers, because unlike those hands that can be bought on eBay, here the lume must match the color of the numbers and sandwich marks and the color of the dial fonts. There is also a topical question about the compatibility of the hands of the p.9000 vsf clone with the 7750 hands, for example, in order to replace with standard hands, or relume, to which I have not yet seen an unambiguous and reasonable answer.
As I said, I hope that one of the ways to resolve this issue will become clear in the near future, because despite the ambiguity of the pam1314 design from the point of view of the classic panerai design canons, this is a modern form and appearance of the initial vyu-automatic model with a white dial, and it is not may not be in demand, as well as other primary colors of choice, such as blue or brown.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9451789-vsf-pam1314-new-release
23. PAM1441
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection level: TD photos
● Disadvantages:
- Thickness 18mm versus 14mm gen.
- Probably the backcase is traditionally 1mm larger in diameter. - It is worth checking the slices at the base of the CG for gen.
● Thoughts and comments:
Little information to form a concrete opinion, but the main problem is that they used an old case about 441/438, which is thicker. This is to be expected, because there are not many models of this material, but it is difficult to work with it, and this is not the same as making another steel case. The good news is that in the ceramic model, panerai did not change the lugs and shape, as on the steel model, but simply changed the proportions, apparently fearing that the lugs of the fragile material would be too thin. Therefore, the difference between old 1950 and new on this model is not so obvious. At the same time, in addition to other inscriptions on the dial and the blue second hand, 1441 has a solid caseback, which is certainly better than the transparent one on 441, no matter how high-quality the clone is. In general, this is not a full-fledged release, but a chance to choose the right thickness, or solid casback, with minimal design differences.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9508009-vsf-pam1441
24. PAM1661
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants.
● Disadvantages:
- The main difference is that gen lume is noticeably different, and noticeably darker and brighter.
- The dial font, as on most 2020 VSFs, is thicker and brighter.
- DW is also black, but does not repeat the texture of the dial and at various angles differs more from the dial than on GEN.
- Unlike SS models, the crown, on the contrary, seems thicker, the stop of the CG lever is narrower and sharper.
- Fonts in CG are different, but rather difficult to understand.
- The holes for springbars in lugs are not through as in all carbotechs, and do not even match on both sides in position.
● Thoughts and comments:
One of 2020's favorite rep, according to related discussion. In general, a high-quality watch, without outright mistakes with small flaws and some tips that will definitely not let them be confused with gen on the same table. However, for those who appreciate this fashionable design trend, this is definitely something to try.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8872042-new-vsf-pam1661-carbotech
25. PAM1662
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Sandblasted titanium REP differs in texture and visual effects, depending on the lighting, from DMLS GEN.
- Again, the CG window notch is not rounded enough, and the crown shape is not quite correct.
- Dial fonts appear bolder.
- Serial number code BB, as on the render, instead of gen PN, also case number 7306, instead of the required 7168, and in the "W" series 1000 copies.
- It is difficult to compare, and there are not quite enough reliable live photos of gen, but most likely the color scheme of the dial: the color of the lumé, the color of the fonts, the color of the dial, is similar in terms of the difference in the shade of the elements, but is not similar in terms of the general tone and looks somewhat lighter.
This is not unambiguous, you need more gen photos in different lighting conditions, but in general, this impression is created.
● Thoughts and comments:
When I saw the upcoming 2020 panerai releases, in terms of reders, this model was the closest to me in terms of design and performance.
Honestly, as it seems to many, the rep disappointed me, and first of all, not with actual or technological errors. The overall appearance was not as expected. I think this is primarily due to the overall color scheme.
However, this is a good, handsome rep, and there are not many 44mm titanium models available from the factories (2), so anyone who likes the final result is advised to give it a try.
But the total mass of shortcomings and the difference in the overall impression of the color scheme clearly does not make it perfect.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9356611-vsf-pam-1662-appears-to-be-out
26. PAM1663
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Apparently, the case is not fibratech, but carbotech, a slightly different color, texture, and possibly a tactile sensation (I did not check, there are different opinions on this at the moment)
- The dial gradient does not have a gen.
- CG engraving, possibly due to the ratio of thickness / depth in a larger number of views, looks black, not gray, in CG color, like gen.
- Pin CG is black, there are different photos of gen on the net.
- Fonts are brighter and bolder.
There might be slight deviation in DW and dial color difference.
● Thoughts and comments:
Of course, given the exotic materials and intricate dial, it would be strange to hope that this will be a superrep, but VSF did what they could at this stage and it looks very good.
It's just a unique and well-built model in my opinion. GEN is still few in sale, few photos, but I do not think that you will confuse them if you hold it in your hands at the same time.
Nevertheless, there is an absolutely standard set of shortcomings that you get with any VSF PAM, like the diameter of the backcase, and not quite the same CG and crown, as well as obviously not similar, at least in appearance, material.
But I subjectively like it, I think it is the best thing that did VSF in 2020, from a subjective point of view, and I like the design of this model, despite the fact that I am an old believer in this regard, and I am not close to carbon or something. based on it, not even blue.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9372198-vsf-1663-out-as-well
27. PAM111 Q
● Factory: XF (VSF for some TD)
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification Level: Member Overview.
● Disadvantages:
- CG has rounded interior corners.
- Lume looks too green
- L Swiss L is too close to "6"
- The thickness and shape of the numbers is not entirely correct, which is especially noticeable on the frost part of "6".
- Short micrometer screw
- In general, the finish movt., Looks not so high quality, in comparison, for example, with the peer noob pam111
- CP is sharp and poorly processed in most samples, but not once at a time.
- There are doubts about the fonts of the dial, but about the tone of the color, but the issue requires deeper consideration.
● Thoughts and comments:
A good try from VSF / XF, at a time when NOOB was either temporarily not available from TD, or its quality raised questions, due to the mixing of parts of different versions and rollbacks to the quality of some elements. At the moment, I don't think this alternative makes sense.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...11-made-1-1-comparison-with-gen-now-available
28. PAM000
● Factory: XF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification Level: Comparisons
● Disadvantages:
- Recessed CP on some samples, however this is more a QC question than the model as a whole. The lume of the sausage is slightly convex, without indentation.
- Short "1" in 1860 on backcase
- There is an opinion that the lume of numbers and markers is somewhat greenish.
- It is not always noticeable in the photo, but by analogy with pam005 xf, which was compared with gen, we can assume that the crystal has not the best AR.
- Minor flaws in the shape of the case, noticeable only with a very careful examination.
● Thoughts and comments:
All my thoughts about this release, if anyone is interested in them, are set out in my comparison at the link:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9579385-pam000-xf-old-vs-new
In any case, this is the only one to date, and one of the best pam000 ever made, and if you put some effort into the dial, backcase and a little about the midcase, you can get the best luminor bettarini in my opinion.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9470177-pam000-xf-re-released
29. PAM005 (N, P)
● Factory: NOOB
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Series P: not correct edition of a series of 1500 pieces, whereas there should be only 1000
- Lume is still convex, and seems a little greener than necessary.
● Thoughts and comments:
Here it is worth immediately dividing, we first had the N series pam005 from noob, which had in common with the previous, familiar N series from this manufacturer, as much as the new noob pam390 had with the old one. Fortunately, the N and P series can be distinguished by the backcase, without trying to evaluate too bold print, green lume, incorrect bezel, poor caseback engraving and other nuances, especially since different TDs called them differently, like 005V11 and V12 , or V12 and V12S, and on some, the photos are clearly mixed. I proceed from the fact that I hope that the N series had a small stock, just to quickly get into the game, clearly lost to XF in terms of articles, and now it will only be available in the form of a stock at a lower price. Therefore, I considered the features of the noob 005 latest version, with the P. Immediately I will say that this is in any case a very serious level of quality, and I can only determine some points during a subtle analysis, with a thorough examination and comparison, therefore, I indicated only the main things in this description. I think we will have the opportunity to take 005XF and 005NOOB and compare them side by side, then we will be able to say something very definite. For now, take one or the other, that's personal preference.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9529926-noob-pam-005-qc-pics
30. PAM005
● Factory: XF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: comparison with gen
● Disadvantages:
- Convex sausage. (Worse than old v6f)
- Greenish shade of lume. (Not critical, but noticeable)
- Bad AR on crystal.
- The backcase fonts are not perfect, but "1" in 1860 gives out immediately. (Hereditary in all XFs)
- Poor quality CG window cutout. (Rounding corners)
- Minor differences in the shape of the case. (Like anyone else)
- Many people complain about the drowned CP, and this is what is better to solve at the QC stage, because not everyone has it, and there are good ones, and it is not so easy to fix it in practice, in the thread dedicated to this model, you can read the participant's explanations who managed to change this and it requires above average skills. You can read more about this in the main discussion link.
● Thoughts and comments:
There is work to do.
Fine AR, fine CG, fine backcase. A dial at the level of the old v6f / xf would give a better combination and hopefully they will bring it back. Then for me it would be the best modern 005 ootb. And now I would prefer his noob, to the best of the balance of disadvantages, and I consider it a good base for a build. By the way, I think that this is a champion in the shape of the bezel, in any case, the chamfer of the base and the angle of inclination of the slope. Definitely a successful release, and considering how many of them we see on the forum, I'm not alone in this opinion.
Be sure to check out the gen / rep comparison from respected thorne, and thanks to his efforts, everything will fall into place.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9445848-xf-factory-pam005-finally-out
31. PAM390
● Factory: NOOB
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Check Level: Comparisons with other rep
● Disadvantages:
- Bad AR blue.
- Poor engraving quality backcase
- Many shortcomings of the case and CG. (More details in comparison) - Be careful with the screw rods, their quality is monstrous from all points of view.
- The structure of the lume is correct.
- In general, in my opinion, everything here is bad.
● Thoughts and comments:
Again, all the thoughts I have regarding this model are detailed in the comparison thread at the link:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9531941-pam390-noob-old-vs-new
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9478353-pam390n-noob-factory-re-released
32. PAM127
● Factory: XF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- No satin finish over lugs.
(I would guess that this is not the luck of the first batch (s), I think it will be fixed, or you can fix it yourself)
- Not quite correct form of lugs.
(Sharper)
- Clearances between lever and CG body.
- Wobbly CG lever.
- Dial fonts seem overly thick
(My observation, which is not confirmed by all the photos, I do not insist, but I suggest taking a closer look, especially since it looks like this factory)
- Probably the edges of the case are sharper than the GEN.
● Thoughts and comments:
If a stupid oversight with the finish of the case is corrected, otherwise this is a full-fledged pam127.
I would give an assessment of the shape, color and thickness of the fonts, as well as the shape of the profile of the case and the crystal, not to mention the finish of movt., I would give to serious, all of us known experts on pam127, because this is not the watch whose nuances can be seen from 2 photos.
This is the model that, sooner or later, will be disassembled down to millimeters, and an opinion will be formed, while it is clear that this is not worse than the older counterparts, but in some ways it seems better.
However, I consider it a good release, thanks to XF for bringing back 127!
Although, myself, I would prefer the old noob pam127 if possible, although you know, there are people here who modified and created frankens127 before I knew about this brand, and I will give the right to evaluate this rep from XF to them when someone from them will be ready and interested.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9475149-xf-pam127
33. PAM088
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: comparisons with other reps
● Disadvantages:
- Incorrect movt., Clone of p.9001, instead of the A7750 GMT, which everyone would expect to see, as a result, all clock functions are set differently, and the GMT hand is 12 hours instead of 24.
- A flat sub-dial of the second hand, without concentric circles at all (although this is not something that is clearly noticeable), and almost correct in size and depth.
- Lume markers and numbers are slightly thicker and greener.
(But the height is better, in my opinion)
- Holes for rods in the lug above.
- The CG is not the correct shape for this model and is satin finish, not polished.
- The clasp is not polished, but satin-finished.
- Errors in dial fonts.
- Errors in engraving backcase.
- In my opinion, the proportions of the shape of the case are not good.
● Thoughts and comments:
Dear ALE has already said everything about the shortcomings of this model in the relevant topic, I will not discuss the opinion, I will just add that I do not like the shape of the case.
I did not analyze it deeply, because there are enough shortcomings, but even this part cannot be used.
In general, the feeling that they made it from what was at hand, and there was nothing suitable. The only thing is that the triangle at the tip of the GMT hand seems to have finally become isosceles, which I have not seen on the HF or NOOB before.
Personally, I think this is not so much a failure as the negligence of the factory in relation to the fans of the brand and old school models.
It's a shame, but we will survive, since a lot of gmt pams were made earlier in a more decent quality.
By the way, please note that there are already examples of a wonderful modification of the CG, after which these 088s are at least not conspicuous by their shortcomings, you can see this in the main discussion thread.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9530765-vsf-pam88
That, in fact, is all.
I'm sorry if I forgot your favorite model that came out in 2020.
I did not discuss all the updates of noob pam111 for several reasons, the main one, the one that has already taken up this model, the guru of this section, and I decided not to get in the way.
Also, I repeat, my comments are given, just as my personal opinion, which does not mean anything other than what you can think of it.
All real, known facts are stated primarily in the topics of discussion, the links to which I have attached.
I noticed some points myself, while studying, and also introduced them, but not as a verdict, but as what it seemed to me, because I do not have a single gen panerai in my hands for comparison, and I have not bought a single new release of that year, except for noob pam390, the topic with which I opened separately.
These are just observations.
Remember, the disadvantage is, first of all, what you see and what you don't like, and secondly, it doesn't match with gen.
This is because I am not discouraging anyone from buying an incorrect rep, but I want everyone to know that this is the case.
My goal was to organize them into one post and show in aggregate what is broken down into many topics, so that we can evaluate the past year in terms of the productivity of factories in our hobby.
So what, in fact, is with her, with productivity?
Well, everything is learned in comparison, and this is my first analysis, so I will express it subjectively.
In such a difficult year, we received 30+ new pams, and I think that's a lot.
Considering that some releases, judging by the activity in the corresponding branches, were not even in demand.
There were many monstrous blunders, along with them, real hits, and new discoveries, not to mention re-releases.
VSF is the leader in panerai at the moment, and does everything it can, showing watches from most collections, materials, functions.
The underlying problem is that they are hostages to their wonderful but obsolete clones p.9000 / 1.
The due line all falls out in thickness, re-issues of old models, like 088, fail because of the functionality, and all models with a transparent caseback go only to fans of the design of this particular model, for which they are ready to endure everything.
It is clear that the new movt is a problem, but there are solutions, based on the good old 7750, including a decorative plate for the p.9010. Also a good clone P.3000 / 5000 that ZF and SF still had in nature.
The next point is rep releases before gen releases from a photo.
I am sure this is a profitable business tactic, I am sure that sales are good, in a short period, but this is not the way to make best sellers, who will remain in people's collections for years and will not be sold for many years in a row, like the famous 382, 438 and others.
If we do so, then most of us would probably like to see v2 with the appropriate changes, such as in the case of the hands of pam1314, but so far there have been no re-releases with regen problems, tolktotnova models, with new problems. Diverse, but not as high quality as we would like.
Panerai have long been trying to convict of graphomania and the transition to a wide demand with an increase in price.
Many do not appreciate it, and I hope the world of rep will not pick up this gen trend, and will remain a stronghold of fans of this brand.
Next, noob. He left, not for long, to return, but began this return with the absurd PAM911 and PAM390. These are prized models, and the 911 is one of the most highly anticipated. What we saw is bordered by dhgate, from a factory that has set the quality standard.
With pam111 and pam005 at some point, it starts to seem similar.
I have no doubt that the last 111 and 005 are better, but one way or another, before, with rare exceptions, those who did not know what to buy could always buy panerai from noob and not be wrong. Now, what to choose, 005 noob or xf is an open question.
I hope they realize their importance to the community, and return to the level of quality that they themselves established earlier for rep panerai, at least with their already patented hits, not to mention new models to compete with VSF.
Now XF, which is known to belong to VSF, but leaves its brand for only a part of the models.
Their pam111 is not perfect at all, but 000, 005 and debut with 127 show that they have something to work on, but they are good.
Yes, later, we saw 088, which for some reason did not belong to XF, probably because it uses a clone, and 217 already in 2021, which showed how you can save on customers and stay loved.
However, I hope that they will monitor bugs, build up their competence and perhaps our many topics with desires for reprints will be heard. Then, they will be able to go forward in time, in the lineup and back, collecting the fruits of their professionalism from both poles of PANERAI amateurs.
The new HWF player hasn't been impressed yet. I hope that the results of this attempt will give them an understanding that they need to comply with the reps assessment criteria, and not try to use the lack of alternatives for choosing their product for a specific model.
634, 774, 777 are worse than v6f.
The later appeared 1085, which could be a hit, on a par with the 911 became an even less popular model.
Perhaps only 915 can be discussed, and then, taking into account the acceptance of inevitable shortcomings and compensation for shortcomings.
We all definitely want to see a new player, especially developing the lost models of the current market participants, but this requires quality, and it is possible to get it. I really hope that they can do it, and we will remember their current lineup only by chance, as a curiosity.
In general, it seems that after some recession, the world of rep pams is becoming more interesting and active. Hopefully, this leap will turn into an upward trend, and we will see a lot of new and interesting, both from the new releases of the P factory, and the old, but not forgotten brand symbols that are not easy to get these days.
Now, for specific releases, I will not once again discuss failures, and what is either not in demand or is simply in the general mass, but I will single out what I personally think is the best.
These are all very high quality new releases, some of which, in my humble opinion, may qualify for the superrep title.
Especially, I would like to highlight pam1312, which in my opinion is the most accurate of all in 2020.
PAM1312
PAM1313
PAM1056
PAM1025
PAM692
PAM1661
All of them are united by some VSF shortcomings for this type of case, related to the crown shape, CG, slightly bold dial fonts, differences in the texture of the dial and DW, caseback diameter (although not all tested), it is also likely that many of them use not the most suitable AR and lume, and in the end, the rep shape of the pillow can be distinguished upon close examination, but there are no factual errors and flaws that a person who does not deal with this GEN model, or extremely attentive will find.
Reprints can also be of very high quality, and here are the ones that I singled out for myself.
PAM000
PAM005
PAM127
They have something to work on, but this is at least a step towards meeting everyone who wants to see something old school.
Also, there are, albeit not as accurate, but, in my opinion, good and important releases, such as:
PAM1117
PAM1118
PAM1119
PAM1662
PAM1663
As I already wrote, there is something to complain about, but this is clearly new, not usual, and experiments with new materials, on which the future of new reps depends, as I think.
That's all I wanted to say. In fact, it is unlikely that you have found a lot of new things for yourself, but I will be glad if someone finds it interesting, someone can decide on a purchase, or it is easier to find the information that you were looking for. This is basically what I wanted to bring.
Thanks to everyone who inquired about my writings, I apologize, for the many subjective views that not everyone may share, and for the absence of any objective points that should be mentioned in this kind of topic.
With respect to all who have read it and best wishes.
In the past year, there were many releases, despite all the difficulties, and in continuation of this topic:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9556956-best-panerai-rep-2020
decided to extend this discussion with a little more specificity for each model that was released in 2020.
There will be a conversation for "good" and "bad", therefore, I immediately have to make a reservation:
I do not classify anything, this is not my competence, at the moment, I just describe what I saw myself and what other forum members wrote and told about.
This is not so much my research as a collection of information already available, which has been discussed in various topics over the past year.
Most of these watches have already flashed on the forum, but there are not many detailed reviews, much less gen / rep comparisons, so many thoughts may have less basis than they should be.
Therefore, for each model, I mention on the basis of what, an estimate was made by the level of the amount of data:
- Just Photo TD
- Photos of QC participants, or your own.
- Detailed reviews and comparisons.
- Comparison with GEN
Objectively, you can see everything only by yourself holding gen and rep in your hands, or at least looking at a high-quality parallel comparison.
Theoretically - by looking at the photo of the watch in question yourself.
There is only data collection, and my personal thoughts, for those who may be interested in them, well, or simply because I cannot keep them with me lol.
I must say right away that the point of the review is to define the quality of REP, which, in my humble opinion, is GEN compliance.
I DO NOT WANT to offend anyone's feelings for my favorite watch.
BUT I will call a spade a spade.
If some model, despite all the flaws, looks beautiful, this does not mean that this is a good rep, it is just a beautiful watch.
If someone doesn't care how a function works in their watch, we mostly don't want factories to care less.
If some watch has a stunning design, despite the fact that the elements of the original model do not match, then this watch has the right to life, but it is not an exact copy of the target model, and such a manufacturer probably needs to make a separate product line with an individual design, without tying them to the gen brand.
Again, if we have several wonderful versions of a certain model, and today we get another one, and it lags behind the previous ones, then this is a step back, which I assess as bad, despite the possible lack of alternatives to the purchase.
Just what I wanted to say.
Yes, I am attaching a photo, not to consider the shortcomings, but simply to visualize the object of discussion.
And so, let's remember what we saw, in order of increasing ref:
1. PAM634
● Factory: HWF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- Roller on the CG lever, which GEN does not have.
- Lack of "Paneristi" engraving on the CG lever.
- Lume does not look saturated enough in color, which is especially noticeable on the hands.
- The structure and shape of the cut of the sausage is not similar to gen.
- The dial fonts look a little too bold.
- Backcase 12 faces instead of round.
- Screws in lugs, instead of springbars.
- The CG is not the correct shape, it is worth clarifying something when and if photos from the participants appear, but the cutout window for the crown is clearly larger, and it seems the whole front of the CG is not correct.
- The case needs to be considered in detail, it seems there are a number of problems, but without additional photos, and taking into account all this list of factual errors, it seems that it does not make sense at this stage.
● Thoughts and comments:
HWF is a new factory, which decided to start with panerai, and it is on 6497. There are many questions about the photos, I don't see real photos of buyers.
V6F already made this model with a lot of mistakes, but HWF got around them.
You can describe everything, but it's pointless. Simply, this is not an exact copy, but an imitation. Likewise, one could compare a couple of different models and list the disadvantages.
This is a bad rep. All they could have missed was missed.
Hopefully, henceforth, the factory will show more attention to detail.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9486021-hw-factory-pam634-774-777-915
2. PAM692
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Of course, first of all, the material of the case is titanium, instead of the BMG alloy, which should differ both visually and in properties, but it is not obvious enough for it to be found upon purchase.
- The vertical edges of the CG window have more rounded edges.
- The inner corners of the CG are perfectly sharp, while the gen is slightly rounder.
- CG fonts on rep are thinner.
- The bezel rounds are slightly higher, they do not have such obvious gaps in a circle.
● Thoughts and comments:
This, according to the results of the survey in the previous thread, is probably the most beloved pam in 2020, therefore, I will definitely not write about all the points here, and a detailed review will be made on it, in all the smallest details, corresponding to the high quality level of this rep, so here I will write only the main thing that is noticeable upon a cursory examination.
In the end, I think that this is a great continuation of the tradition of v6f 47mm submersibles, many of which, if not superrep, are somewhere very close.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8725959-vsf-pam692-new-release
3. PAM774
● Factory: HWF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- The thickness and shape of the case does not correspond to gen, which should carry p.6000, as a result, different thicknesses and proportions.
- The CG lever should not have a roller, and in general, the CG of a controversial form, for which more thorough research is needed.
- Screw rods, instead of springbars
- The dial fonts look bolder.
- The sausage is a little thicker and slightly different in shape.
- It is clear that we have a solid caseback, besides gen movt., It looks different, but the rep movt is badly done and not even branded.
- On the caseback, I would expect to see the serial number, but there is none.
● Thoughts and comments:
We have already seen not the most detailed rep v6f of this and subsequent models, but here everything is a little worse.
I don’t mind the bare movt., Even for the sake of economy, but I don’t see where this saved money went. They are not included in the price of the TD, or in other elements of this watch. Also with other disadvantages.
There are fans of green lume, which I do not belong to, but besides them, it seems that anyone else for this amount will choose pam000.
Considering how cheap these models from v6f were sold at the end, I would consider buying this model only as an alternative as the cheapest rep, I do not see any other ways to compete with all these shortcomings, and feedback from buyers in the topic of discussing this model. seems to confirm my guesses.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9486021-hw-factory-pam634-774-777-915
4. PAM777
● Factory: HWF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- The thickness and shape of the case does not correspond to gen, which should carry p.6000, as a result, different thicknesses and proportions.
- The CG lever should not have a roller, and in general, the CG of a controversial form, for which more thorough research is needed.
- Screw rods, instead of springbars
- The dial fonts look bolder and have interesting serifs that gen.
- The sausage is a little thicker and slightly different in shape.
- Everything related to movt. Is completely similar to the previous model.
● Thoughts and comments:
Copy and paste everything that is written about pam774.
I will only add that the difference in thickness between the OP.II models and the P.5000 models is already quite noticeable, and in the case of the P.6000 it is even more pronounced, and there are no solutions to this problem on the surface. This is already a sufficient drawback, in order to compensate for which, one must try as much as possible in the rest, and at least not make actual mistakes.
With 774/777 and so there is a little confusion, due to the presence of both round and 12-sided backcases, both open "6" and closed, series with sptlringbars and screws, and these correspondences were worth checking, or if you know these correspondences, take into account in the final release.
Just what we're waiting for.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9486021-hw-factory-pam634-774-777-915
5. PAM911
● Factory: NOOB
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification Level: Member Photos
● Disadvantages:
- Incorrect sandwich numbers and markers repeating the pam111 pattern that differs on sandwich 8 day models.
- Incorrect dial inscriptions, the position on the dial, intervals, fonts, in particular "A", are not observed.
- Wrong hands pre-v, instead of modern.
- Incorrect case with 6497, which differs in shape and, most importantly, thickness from the case for p.5000 models.
● Thoughts and comments:
All we did right was to take into account all the inscriptions on the caseback, and observe the color of the dial.
Otherwise, this is a failure on absolutely all fronts, both in factual errors and in overall quality.
Apparently, in a long process of waiting, too many wrote that they are ready to accept this model, even with flaws. No sooner said than done.
In addition to factual errors, I want to draw your attention to the fact that the watch is made as a whole poorly in quality, you can take a look at my review of noob pam390, everything that applies to it, applies to 911, and there is too much to tell about everything here.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9056333-new-pam-00911-by-noob-coming-soon
6. PAM915
● Factory: HWF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- Incorrect case, for 6497, which is thicker than gen for p. 5000
- The decorative plate for p.5000 is not made neatly enough, and does not correspond to the current design of p.5000 in terms of the regulator and a cutout with a part of attaching one of the gears.
● Own thoughts:
There are only a couple of obvious shortcomings, and one of them, in terms of the decorative plate, is not difficult to solve.
From the front, factual errors and obvious problems are not visible.
I consider a detailed examination and comparison necessary.
It won't be a superrep, but it might turn out no worse than many v6f decorated p.5000 that are loved and still often seen today.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9486021-hw-factory-pam634-774-777-915
7. PAM968
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: comparison with gen
● Disadvantages:
- Transparent caseback makes it possible to see p.9000 instead of p.9010, which are very noticeably different in appearance.
- Lume rep looks greener than gold gen, also less glossy and flat.
- The rep crystal has a fish-eye effect, as on 382, while gen 968, like all new submersibles, does not. However, this may have been fixed, many newer vsf no longer have this problem.
- Dial fonts are brighter, thicker.
- The edges and corners of the CG rep are not softened or rounded as much as gen.
- The lower chamfer around the bezel is narrower than gen.
- The stripes on the bezel are different in everything, in color, thickness, depth, shape.
- The bezel itself is lighter on rep.
- Rounds on the bezel do not have so many pronounced chamfers in a circle and a gap along the circumference to the cutout in the bezel.
- Hands are a little more reddish, in some photos, and it seems that they do not so accurately fall into the bronze color of the case.
● Thoughts and comments:
This is one of the favorites for 2020 rep of the year, according to a poll in Thread.
Thanks to the unique side-by-side comparison with gen, the link to which I attached below, we have the opportunity to pay attention not only to obvious flaws (for example, lume) and factual errors (p.9000, instead of p.9010), but also to relative inaccuracies that can be unearthed on many reps, with so much detailed look.
But the fact remains that any bronze pam is a hit, both gen and rep. And even taking into account that I do not really like ceramic inserts, the fact that it is brown even fell in love with me, and I understand that many would like this particular bronzo. However, we have to admit that this does not compare to pam382 and pam671 in terms of rep. It's a pity, but, as you can see from the reviews, this stops few people, although I don't see any particular advantages of rep 968 over 507, for example, which are almost absent in nature, due to the fact that most of them rejected them for an extra button on the side to set the date.
Everyone will make a decision for themselves, and the facts on the links below are more than enough for this.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8765808-pam968-vsf
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9127826-pam968-gen-vs-rep-mini-review
8. PAM974
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- First of all, of course, the weight of ss with gold plating, as opposed to gen from an alloy based on gold.
- P.9000, instead of OP.XXXIV under a transparent caseback.
- The shape of the case at the ends at the lugs attachment points.
- CP not correct in size.
● Thoughts and comments:
I did not elaborate on the differences in color and texture of the gold plating, and even the thickness, I suppose, there may also be a fish-eye effect, which gen.
Gold submersible has always been something exotic, and in any case, the demand for a rep of such a model is always slightly lower.
However, even in the case of searching for exactly this specificity, I would choose the pam684 from XF, which, despite its age, is still more accurate in general, and here VSF could not surpass.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8976798-vsf-pam974-new-release
9. PAM1025
Factory: VSF
Photo rep:
Photo gen:
Verification level: photos of participants
Disadvantages:
- Slightly thicker dial fonts with slightly richer color.
(In my opinion, like all similar vsf)
- Lume is slightly more saturated color.
(It might be worth comparing the parallel for a definite answer)
- The crown is slightly thicker at the end and slightly flatter at the top.
(Like all current vsf crowns for 44mm luminors 1950)
- CG without bevels to soften the edge and no rounding on the vertical sides of the crown window.
(Panerai finally gave up on the idea of collecting samples of our skin with the sharp edges of the window, while rotating the crown, making rounded bevels, but vsf is still in the game lol.)
● Thoughts and comments:
On a par with 1312 and 1313, one of the most accurate rap of the past year.
With this model it is a little more difficult than with the ones mentioned above, because the sunbrust dial is no matter how beautiful it will most likely differ from gen in a parallel comparison, and patinated lume is always difficult to match in color with gen.
However, caseback engraving with due attention from the factory is almost perfect, and there is no problem.
At the same time, unlike the 1312, this is a very rare watch, and it's unlikely to be compared to gen, but in design they are a little more diverse and bright.
I think this is an excellent release, and how to speak in such cases: An excellent contender for the first rep pam.
On occasion, I would suggest discussing and considering pam1025 vsf as a superrep contender.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9539947-vsf-pam1025
10. PAM1033
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants.
● Disadvantages:
- First and foremost, it has p.9001 instead of p.9011, and since the caseback is transparent, you can see it right away.
- The lume of the hands is weaker and shines in a different color than a sandwich.
- Lume sandwich and hands of a brighter and more yellow-saturated color.
- Dial fonts are brighter, yellower, thicker.
- Standard set of defects for CG and VSF crown.
- This is a matter of quality, not accuracy as is the case with the hands, but as with pam1313 there are complaints about DW centering.
● Thoughts and comments:
This is not accurate, but a handsome rep. It has its own niche, because it is larger than pam688 and does not have golden hands, and questions with their tinge, has the correct case material, unlike pam927, but looks more "rich" and interesting than the more restrained pam1313.
By the way, the blue color and texture of the dial, according to the assurances of the participants who are well acquainted with them, are very close to gen, and, I believe, is similar to pam1313.
A stylish watch, but unfortunately, it has both factual errors and shortcomings and quality problems.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9494496-vsf-pam1033-gmt
11. PAM1039
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- To all the standard minor flaws of 47mm submersibles VSF, we add, even first of all, not the ambiguity of the shade of red on the hands, and not the light gray color of the dial markers, by analogy with pam979, but primarily the color and texture of the dial.
This is clearly not a fixed canvas and does not look like it.
Thoughts and comments:
I think the most unsuccessful carbotech submersible from VSF.
Leaving aside the design specifics and the red accents with the black case, the attempt to make a very complex but beautiful dial failed.
If you are curious about time in a different time zone when using a 47mm carbon driver this is your only option, but a bad rep.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/7423802-pam01039-luna-rossa-challenger-submersible
12. PAM1042
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- Of course, the weight cannot be the same for SS gold plated rep and gold gen.
- Thickness 13.8mm versus 10.7mm gen.
- The CG thickness is not correct.
- Clone p.9000 instead of p.900 on gen, which is visible thanks to the transparent backcase.
- The color of the dial seems too white compared to gen.
- Lume color, looks a little more pink than a slightly yellowish gen
- I'm not sure about the shade of gold, and the coincidence of the color of the hands to the color of the case.
● Thoughts and comments:
This is not a popular model, for many fairly obvious reasons, both stylistic and gen-related. There are not many photos of both gen and rep under various lighting conditions to fully appreciate not obvious color solutions, such as the color of gold plating, hands, lume, and even the dial, but these are all rather subtle points, compared to the main disadvantages of replica gold watches ... I see absolutely no reason to choose this model, except for cases when you want to get this particular dial. There are no advantages to due thickness, and even if you want a gold rep, I personally would choose pam1112, which will be a little thicker in practice, but much closer to gen in this value.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9515985-vsf-pam1042
13. PAM1046
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection Level: Photo TD
● Disadvantages:
- Thickness rep 13.8mm versus 10.7mm gen.
- The CG thickness is not correct. The dial looks pure white compared to the slightly creamy GEN dial.
- Serial number starts with "BB" although code "PL" is expected in "V" series.
- The color of lume seems to have a slightly different shade, more pink than yellow. (Not sure how it will be different in life)
● Thoughts and comments: Everything related to the color schemes of the dial and the prevalence of pam1042 can be attributed to this. Fortunately, there is no complexity of the transparent casback and the color of the gold plating, but the main fact is that while VSF is a hostage exclusively to the P.9000 and P.9001 clones, we cannot count on good reps luminor due, due to the impossibility of getting at least an approximate thickness. From there, difficulties with the correct scale of CG, and already the factory is not so careful about other shortcomings, including color ones. This is a kind of elegant watch, probably primarily for women, but you won't have to wait for precision from rep in the models of this collection.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9475145-vsf-pam1046
14. PAM1055
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- CP is greater than gen.
- The transition of the case to lugs is done on quite right, as well as on other cases 42mm submersibles from VSF
- Bevels on the vertical sides of the CG cut are less pronounced.
● Thoughts and comments:
This is a good rep who could have fought for superrep status if it weren't for the case shape errors that weren't present on the old 42mm submersibles from XF and CP. The rest of the shortcomings, like the bezel rounds, the width of the chamfers, and so on, are quite acceptable, and I did not write much about it.
The thickness is very close, the dial color is similar. Perhaps, when comparing in parallel on the color and structure of lume, something will also open, but I don't think this is a problem. I like the watch and the color scheme of the dial, stylistically (because all VSFs in this line have the same basic drawbacks), probably my favorites from 42mm.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8787792-vsf-pam1055-42mm
15. PAM1056
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- In addition to the standard set of flaws in the crown, CG, I do not see any critical problems. Yes, the color of the dial can probably show a discrepancy in a parallel comparison, but in some photos you can find analogues of the gen / rep shade, in any light, the same applies to the gold shade of the hands, and DW, which still seems a little darker compared to completely the same color dial / DW for gen.
● Thoughts and comments:
The standard set of small flaws from the VSF factory with this case, otherwise, this is a wonderful watch, extremely rare, therefore, I'm not sure that a situation will happen in which you will be called for inconsistencies in the tone of the dial color. There aren't many green rep pam dials at all, and if you're looking to buy the first one without messing with submersible, this is a great choice. I think this is one of the best and most complete rep panerai you can buy from TD today.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9215108-vsf-pam1056
16. PAM1112
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Of course, weight, because gen is made of gold alloy. From what is known: 201 versus 142, rep (apparently with a strap, straight and rods)
- There is an opinion that the finish / color of the RG coating is somewhat different from gen goldtech.
- P.9000 instead of P.9010 with transparent caseback is obvious.
- Like all models in this line from VSF, there are flaws in the crown and CG that are described in detail.
- The dial fonts are thicker / brighter.
- Lume looks too green.
- DW is blue, but in texture it is not as close to the cyberboat as GEN.
- As far as you can understand, this applies to all 44 and 47mm VSF models, but this particular caseback has a diameter of 45 mm instead of 44 mm required, as a result of which standard keys do not fit them.
● Thoughts and comments:
The version of pam1313, which, however, came out later, in a gold case with golden hands and a transparent caseback.
The dial is similar, so if you want a more accurate rep then the steel option is better.
If you need an RG model, then the level of expectation is obviously lower, because the weight, color will always be given by rep.
So, if the task is to buy a gold watch, then this is an excellent option, which has a lot of drawbacks, but still produces the necessary visual impression from a comma.
Don't take off your wrists or hold them and you will be happy with this rep.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9262454-vsf-pam1112-new-release
17. PAM1117
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- The case is made of sandblasted titanium, in contrast to the DMLS gen, by analogy with pam1662, which is noticeable in the texture and reaction to light. It seems that gen shines more in the light, and darker in the shadow, due to the coarser and more heterogeneous texture.
- On CG, the lume strip is not correct, due to the fact that VSF released the rep earlier than the gen, and there were many conflicting photos on the Internet. The strip is thin along the entire arc along the edge, although there should have been 2 thick ones, before and after the pin of the lever, by analogy with pam1118.
- I have not seen the photo of lumeshot, but by analogy with pam1119 and pam1118, you can guess that the glow of the dial font is not as bright as gen.
- The lume line on the CG lever is too long.
- There are doubts about the correctness of the caseback marking.
All gen photos that I could find have "blurred" numbers, but judging by the fact that the renders did not match the actual gens, this is most likely the case.
● Thoughts and comments:
The entire trilogy of the 70th anniversary of luminor turned out to be not entirely unambiguous, both from the point of view of gen, due to not the most expected design decisions, and rep, because VSF did not release models immediately, but all before the appearance of live samples on the market. The result, in the form of factual errors, was not long in coming. I will not delve into the specifics of finishing, subtleties of the dial and other small elements, because, there are more serious questions that make these deep studies not too significant. However, for those who love this design, VSF has made a wonderful gift, in a far from easy time, for new releases. Thanks to them for that too.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9424774-vsf-pam1117
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8832149-pam-1117-1118-and-1119-released
18. PAM1118
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants.
● Disadvantages:
- There is no roller on CG, unlike gen.
- Lever material on rep carbotech when gen appears to be pvd-coated metal. I can assume that it is more titanium, but this is just a guess, because, due to the coating, this cannot be said from the photo.
- Incorrect backcase markings, serial number BB instead of PL, case type OP7063, instead of OP7324
- The dial font has a weaker lume.
- As usual on the carbotech case, the springbars are not through holes.
● Thoughts and comments:
All errors are related to the reasons already named, but on this model, the correct lume pattern on the CG, which is already good.
Many gen photos show a slightly different shade of lume, less light green and more dirty yellow. I cannot comment on this, perhaps the specifics of how it looks in the photo of a blacker case than pam1117 and pam1119, but looking at group photos, it is clear that its color should be the same on all 3 models.
Also, consideration of the photo of gens suggests that the crown, like the CG lever, is not made of carbotech, but I have no reason to say 100% yet, although I believe in it.
Also, I see no reason to discuss the specifics of the dial and small elements, for the above reasons, but this does not mean that they do not exist (for example, a combination of the dial texture and DW)
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9143729-vsf-pam1118
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8832149-pam-1117-1118-and-1119-released
19. PAM1119
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Presumably, the material of the case is not fibrous, but a carbotech, although with the correct color, but not a similar pattern and texture. (I've heard different opinions, but I'm inclined to believe that this is a carbotech)
- Presumably not quite pronounced sunbrust effect.
- CG should not have lume from the front.
- Apparently, the caseback marking is again not completely correct, I only saw that the serial number begins not with BB, but with PL.
● Thoughts and comments:
There are a minimum of credible photos of gen, but the main points are pretty clear, and again there is an actual error. Not being a lume fan, I would go for pam1663 to try out new material, however this is a very rare model and it will take a long time before anyone knows which CG pattern on this particular model should be correct. By the way, it is interesting that pam1119 and pam1118 are 1mm thinner than pam1117, which is hardly reflected in the rep, although I have not yet seen measurements of all 3 copies, and even more so gen models.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9330490-vsf-pam-1119-new-release
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8832149-pam-1117-1118-and-1119-released
20. PAM1312
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants.
● Disadvantages:
- The crown is slightly irregular, it is thicker at the ends, and a little flatter, gen has a more pronounced "hill" at the point of contact of the lever.
- CG edges do not have a fine chamfer like on gen and remain sharp and geometric.
- The window for the crown in CG on the vertical edges seems to have a thin chamfer, but on gen these are now full-fledged bevels so that the process of rotating the crown is not accompanied by grinding the skin with a sharp edge.
- Lume in most of the photos seems to me a little more green, but for an accurate answer, a parallel comparison is necessary, and in any case, this is not critical.
- The shape of the tips of the CG lever looks overkill, but it's small.
● Thoughts and comments: Well, first of all, we need to clarify some not quite obvious at first points about gen: Yes, pam1312 has a solid caseback from 2020, and returns to a greenish white lume like pam312. Also, the p.9010 it is equipped with no longer has a beautiful finish, and does not have a stop-second function. Now about the rep VSF: To begin with, in my opinion, this is the most accurate and good release this year. Many considered the pam312 VSF superrep, and now, without adding any flaws from the front, we have a solid caseback that makes this model even more accurate. The thickness of the case is respected, you need to make a detailed comparison of its shape, but from everything I have seen so far, this is very good, and I do not see any strong flaws, and this is clearly worse than the old ZF and V6F 1312 and others. All subsequent models of this series, 1313, 1314, 1025, etc., have all the advantages and some disadvantages of the CG and crown shape, but these are no more than hints. On occasion, I'm ready to vote for awarding this model the superrep status, and I think that if someone wants to buy a new automatic pam that will be as similar to gen as possible, in my opinion, the pam1312 VSF is the best choice.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9505412-pam-1312-from-vsf-released
21. PAM1313
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Standard set of vsf new 1950 in crown and CG.
- There is a suspicion that the difference in color or texture between the dial and DW is not much different from that of gen. It takes a lot of photos to pinpoint the essence of the flaw, or Hazing who sees it well (lol, hello friend!)
- Lume is slightly greener.
- Dial fonts are bolder and brighter again.
- Many complaints about date centering. This is not a drawback, but something that you should pay attention to in QC, and this shift may not fall on all numbers. Perhaps a game with bad DW, which can be repeated, or can be corrected.
- Also, the sandwich in some angles seems less deep, and / or the edges of the cutouts of markers and numbers are unnecessarily rounded. Apparently this is due to the specifics of the blue dial.
● Thoughts and comments:
Like the neighboring models, this is a very good release in terms of accuracy and overall quality.
There is a feeling that they made it on the basis of 1312, because the lume is the same color, although in most photos of gen 1313 it looks more (which may be the specifics of the combination of the background with a blue dial, and not with a black one), as well as rounded bevels of the cuts may be a consequence additional coating and treatment of the standard 1312 dial, although these are all subtle points that are only visible under certain lighting and an acute angle.
In any case, the more varied photos of gen, over time, the clearer this moment will be, but now it is absolutely clear that 1313 is probably the most accurate rep with a blue sunbrust dial that you can buy new from TD today.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9526849-vsf-pam1313
22. PAM1314
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants.
● Disadvantages:
- Standard set of crown and CG flaws.
- White hands instead of polished steel.
- Lume is less dark than GEN.
- The dial fonts in the lume tone are somewhat lighter, although they are closer in thickness, and do not have the usual excessive thickness and brightness for VSF.
● Thoughts and comments:
The whole VSF series with this case is clearly impressive, but this time, the rush failed, and again an actual mistake was made, in accordance with the release's render, and the hands turned white instead of steel polished ones. As many participants noted, there is something beautiful in this, and even, perhaps, more logical, but this is not correct.
I really hope that VSF will release V2, it's not that difficult, or TD will offer a replacement to customers, because unlike those hands that can be bought on eBay, here the lume must match the color of the numbers and sandwich marks and the color of the dial fonts. There is also a topical question about the compatibility of the hands of the p.9000 vsf clone with the 7750 hands, for example, in order to replace with standard hands, or relume, to which I have not yet seen an unambiguous and reasonable answer.
As I said, I hope that one of the ways to resolve this issue will become clear in the near future, because despite the ambiguity of the pam1314 design from the point of view of the classic panerai design canons, this is a modern form and appearance of the initial vyu-automatic model with a white dial, and it is not may not be in demand, as well as other primary colors of choice, such as blue or brown.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9451789-vsf-pam1314-new-release
23. PAM1441
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Inspection level: TD photos
● Disadvantages:
- Thickness 18mm versus 14mm gen.
- Probably the backcase is traditionally 1mm larger in diameter. - It is worth checking the slices at the base of the CG for gen.
● Thoughts and comments:
Little information to form a concrete opinion, but the main problem is that they used an old case about 441/438, which is thicker. This is to be expected, because there are not many models of this material, but it is difficult to work with it, and this is not the same as making another steel case. The good news is that in the ceramic model, panerai did not change the lugs and shape, as on the steel model, but simply changed the proportions, apparently fearing that the lugs of the fragile material would be too thin. Therefore, the difference between old 1950 and new on this model is not so obvious. At the same time, in addition to other inscriptions on the dial and the blue second hand, 1441 has a solid caseback, which is certainly better than the transparent one on 441, no matter how high-quality the clone is. In general, this is not a full-fledged release, but a chance to choose the right thickness, or solid casback, with minimal design differences.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9508009-vsf-pam1441
24. PAM1661
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants.
● Disadvantages:
- The main difference is that gen lume is noticeably different, and noticeably darker and brighter.
- The dial font, as on most 2020 VSFs, is thicker and brighter.
- DW is also black, but does not repeat the texture of the dial and at various angles differs more from the dial than on GEN.
- Unlike SS models, the crown, on the contrary, seems thicker, the stop of the CG lever is narrower and sharper.
- Fonts in CG are different, but rather difficult to understand.
- The holes for springbars in lugs are not through as in all carbotechs, and do not even match on both sides in position.
● Thoughts and comments:
One of 2020's favorite rep, according to related discussion. In general, a high-quality watch, without outright mistakes with small flaws and some tips that will definitely not let them be confused with gen on the same table. However, for those who appreciate this fashionable design trend, this is definitely something to try.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8872042-new-vsf-pam1661-carbotech
25. PAM1662
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Sandblasted titanium REP differs in texture and visual effects, depending on the lighting, from DMLS GEN.
- Again, the CG window notch is not rounded enough, and the crown shape is not quite correct.
- Dial fonts appear bolder.
- Serial number code BB, as on the render, instead of gen PN, also case number 7306, instead of the required 7168, and in the "W" series 1000 copies.
- It is difficult to compare, and there are not quite enough reliable live photos of gen, but most likely the color scheme of the dial: the color of the lumé, the color of the fonts, the color of the dial, is similar in terms of the difference in the shade of the elements, but is not similar in terms of the general tone and looks somewhat lighter.
This is not unambiguous, you need more gen photos in different lighting conditions, but in general, this impression is created.
● Thoughts and comments:
When I saw the upcoming 2020 panerai releases, in terms of reders, this model was the closest to me in terms of design and performance.
Honestly, as it seems to many, the rep disappointed me, and first of all, not with actual or technological errors. The overall appearance was not as expected. I think this is primarily due to the overall color scheme.
However, this is a good, handsome rep, and there are not many 44mm titanium models available from the factories (2), so anyone who likes the final result is advised to give it a try.
But the total mass of shortcomings and the difference in the overall impression of the color scheme clearly does not make it perfect.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9356611-vsf-pam-1662-appears-to-be-out
26. PAM1663
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Apparently, the case is not fibratech, but carbotech, a slightly different color, texture, and possibly a tactile sensation (I did not check, there are different opinions on this at the moment)
- The dial gradient does not have a gen.
- CG engraving, possibly due to the ratio of thickness / depth in a larger number of views, looks black, not gray, in CG color, like gen.
- Pin CG is black, there are different photos of gen on the net.
- Fonts are brighter and bolder.
There might be slight deviation in DW and dial color difference.
● Thoughts and comments:
Of course, given the exotic materials and intricate dial, it would be strange to hope that this will be a superrep, but VSF did what they could at this stage and it looks very good.
It's just a unique and well-built model in my opinion. GEN is still few in sale, few photos, but I do not think that you will confuse them if you hold it in your hands at the same time.
Nevertheless, there is an absolutely standard set of shortcomings that you get with any VSF PAM, like the diameter of the backcase, and not quite the same CG and crown, as well as obviously not similar, at least in appearance, material.
But I subjectively like it, I think it is the best thing that did VSF in 2020, from a subjective point of view, and I like the design of this model, despite the fact that I am an old believer in this regard, and I am not close to carbon or something. based on it, not even blue.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9372198-vsf-1663-out-as-well
27. PAM111 Q
● Factory: XF (VSF for some TD)
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification Level: Member Overview.
● Disadvantages:
- CG has rounded interior corners.
- Lume looks too green
- L Swiss L is too close to "6"
- The thickness and shape of the numbers is not entirely correct, which is especially noticeable on the frost part of "6".
- Short micrometer screw
- In general, the finish movt., Looks not so high quality, in comparison, for example, with the peer noob pam111
- CP is sharp and poorly processed in most samples, but not once at a time.
- There are doubts about the fonts of the dial, but about the tone of the color, but the issue requires deeper consideration.
● Thoughts and comments:
A good try from VSF / XF, at a time when NOOB was either temporarily not available from TD, or its quality raised questions, due to the mixing of parts of different versions and rollbacks to the quality of some elements. At the moment, I don't think this alternative makes sense.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...11-made-1-1-comparison-with-gen-now-available
28. PAM000
● Factory: XF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification Level: Comparisons
● Disadvantages:
- Recessed CP on some samples, however this is more a QC question than the model as a whole. The lume of the sausage is slightly convex, without indentation.
- Short "1" in 1860 on backcase
- There is an opinion that the lume of numbers and markers is somewhat greenish.
- It is not always noticeable in the photo, but by analogy with pam005 xf, which was compared with gen, we can assume that the crystal has not the best AR.
- Minor flaws in the shape of the case, noticeable only with a very careful examination.
● Thoughts and comments:
All my thoughts about this release, if anyone is interested in them, are set out in my comparison at the link:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9579385-pam000-xf-old-vs-new
In any case, this is the only one to date, and one of the best pam000 ever made, and if you put some effort into the dial, backcase and a little about the midcase, you can get the best luminor bettarini in my opinion.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9470177-pam000-xf-re-released
29. PAM005 (N, P)
● Factory: NOOB
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- Series P: not correct edition of a series of 1500 pieces, whereas there should be only 1000
- Lume is still convex, and seems a little greener than necessary.
● Thoughts and comments:
Here it is worth immediately dividing, we first had the N series pam005 from noob, which had in common with the previous, familiar N series from this manufacturer, as much as the new noob pam390 had with the old one. Fortunately, the N and P series can be distinguished by the backcase, without trying to evaluate too bold print, green lume, incorrect bezel, poor caseback engraving and other nuances, especially since different TDs called them differently, like 005V11 and V12 , or V12 and V12S, and on some, the photos are clearly mixed. I proceed from the fact that I hope that the N series had a small stock, just to quickly get into the game, clearly lost to XF in terms of articles, and now it will only be available in the form of a stock at a lower price. Therefore, I considered the features of the noob 005 latest version, with the P. Immediately I will say that this is in any case a very serious level of quality, and I can only determine some points during a subtle analysis, with a thorough examination and comparison, therefore, I indicated only the main things in this description. I think we will have the opportunity to take 005XF and 005NOOB and compare them side by side, then we will be able to say something very definite. For now, take one or the other, that's personal preference.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9529926-noob-pam-005-qc-pics
30. PAM005
● Factory: XF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: comparison with gen
● Disadvantages:
- Convex sausage. (Worse than old v6f)
- Greenish shade of lume. (Not critical, but noticeable)
- Bad AR on crystal.
- The backcase fonts are not perfect, but "1" in 1860 gives out immediately. (Hereditary in all XFs)
- Poor quality CG window cutout. (Rounding corners)
- Minor differences in the shape of the case. (Like anyone else)
- Many people complain about the drowned CP, and this is what is better to solve at the QC stage, because not everyone has it, and there are good ones, and it is not so easy to fix it in practice, in the thread dedicated to this model, you can read the participant's explanations who managed to change this and it requires above average skills. You can read more about this in the main discussion link.
● Thoughts and comments:
There is work to do.
Fine AR, fine CG, fine backcase. A dial at the level of the old v6f / xf would give a better combination and hopefully they will bring it back. Then for me it would be the best modern 005 ootb. And now I would prefer his noob, to the best of the balance of disadvantages, and I consider it a good base for a build. By the way, I think that this is a champion in the shape of the bezel, in any case, the chamfer of the base and the angle of inclination of the slope. Definitely a successful release, and considering how many of them we see on the forum, I'm not alone in this opinion.
Be sure to check out the gen / rep comparison from respected thorne, and thanks to his efforts, everything will fall into place.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9445848-xf-factory-pam005-finally-out
31. PAM390
● Factory: NOOB
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Check Level: Comparisons with other rep
● Disadvantages:
- Bad AR blue.
- Poor engraving quality backcase
- Many shortcomings of the case and CG. (More details in comparison) - Be careful with the screw rods, their quality is monstrous from all points of view.
- The structure of the lume is correct.
- In general, in my opinion, everything here is bad.
● Thoughts and comments:
Again, all the thoughts I have regarding this model are detailed in the comparison thread at the link:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9531941-pam390-noob-old-vs-new
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9478353-pam390n-noob-factory-re-released
32. PAM127
● Factory: XF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: photos of participants
● Disadvantages:
- No satin finish over lugs.
(I would guess that this is not the luck of the first batch (s), I think it will be fixed, or you can fix it yourself)
- Not quite correct form of lugs.
(Sharper)
- Clearances between lever and CG body.
- Wobbly CG lever.
- Dial fonts seem overly thick
(My observation, which is not confirmed by all the photos, I do not insist, but I suggest taking a closer look, especially since it looks like this factory)
- Probably the edges of the case are sharper than the GEN.
● Thoughts and comments:
If a stupid oversight with the finish of the case is corrected, otherwise this is a full-fledged pam127.
I would give an assessment of the shape, color and thickness of the fonts, as well as the shape of the profile of the case and the crystal, not to mention the finish of movt., I would give to serious, all of us known experts on pam127, because this is not the watch whose nuances can be seen from 2 photos.
This is the model that, sooner or later, will be disassembled down to millimeters, and an opinion will be formed, while it is clear that this is not worse than the older counterparts, but in some ways it seems better.
However, I consider it a good release, thanks to XF for bringing back 127!
Although, myself, I would prefer the old noob pam127 if possible, although you know, there are people here who modified and created frankens127 before I knew about this brand, and I will give the right to evaluate this rep from XF to them when someone from them will be ready and interested.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9475149-xf-pam127
33. PAM088
● Factory: VSF
● Photo rep:
● Photo gen:
● Verification level: comparisons with other reps
● Disadvantages:
- Incorrect movt., Clone of p.9001, instead of the A7750 GMT, which everyone would expect to see, as a result, all clock functions are set differently, and the GMT hand is 12 hours instead of 24.
- A flat sub-dial of the second hand, without concentric circles at all (although this is not something that is clearly noticeable), and almost correct in size and depth.
- Lume markers and numbers are slightly thicker and greener.
(But the height is better, in my opinion)
- Holes for rods in the lug above.
- The CG is not the correct shape for this model and is satin finish, not polished.
- The clasp is not polished, but satin-finished.
- Errors in dial fonts.
- Errors in engraving backcase.
- In my opinion, the proportions of the shape of the case are not good.
● Thoughts and comments:
Dear ALE has already said everything about the shortcomings of this model in the relevant topic, I will not discuss the opinion, I will just add that I do not like the shape of the case.
I did not analyze it deeply, because there are enough shortcomings, but even this part cannot be used.
In general, the feeling that they made it from what was at hand, and there was nothing suitable. The only thing is that the triangle at the tip of the GMT hand seems to have finally become isosceles, which I have not seen on the HF or NOOB before.
Personally, I think this is not so much a failure as the negligence of the factory in relation to the fans of the brand and old school models.
It's a shame, but we will survive, since a lot of gmt pams were made earlier in a more decent quality.
By the way, please note that there are already examples of a wonderful modification of the CG, after which these 088s are at least not conspicuous by their shortcomings, you can see this in the main discussion thread.
● Link to the main topic of discussion:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9530765-vsf-pam88
That, in fact, is all.
I'm sorry if I forgot your favorite model that came out in 2020.
I did not discuss all the updates of noob pam111 for several reasons, the main one, the one that has already taken up this model, the guru of this section, and I decided not to get in the way.
Also, I repeat, my comments are given, just as my personal opinion, which does not mean anything other than what you can think of it.
All real, known facts are stated primarily in the topics of discussion, the links to which I have attached.
I noticed some points myself, while studying, and also introduced them, but not as a verdict, but as what it seemed to me, because I do not have a single gen panerai in my hands for comparison, and I have not bought a single new release of that year, except for noob pam390, the topic with which I opened separately.
These are just observations.
Remember, the disadvantage is, first of all, what you see and what you don't like, and secondly, it doesn't match with gen.
This is because I am not discouraging anyone from buying an incorrect rep, but I want everyone to know that this is the case.
My goal was to organize them into one post and show in aggregate what is broken down into many topics, so that we can evaluate the past year in terms of the productivity of factories in our hobby.
So what, in fact, is with her, with productivity?
Well, everything is learned in comparison, and this is my first analysis, so I will express it subjectively.
In such a difficult year, we received 30+ new pams, and I think that's a lot.
Considering that some releases, judging by the activity in the corresponding branches, were not even in demand.
There were many monstrous blunders, along with them, real hits, and new discoveries, not to mention re-releases.
VSF is the leader in panerai at the moment, and does everything it can, showing watches from most collections, materials, functions.
The underlying problem is that they are hostages to their wonderful but obsolete clones p.9000 / 1.
The due line all falls out in thickness, re-issues of old models, like 088, fail because of the functionality, and all models with a transparent caseback go only to fans of the design of this particular model, for which they are ready to endure everything.
It is clear that the new movt is a problem, but there are solutions, based on the good old 7750, including a decorative plate for the p.9010. Also a good clone P.3000 / 5000 that ZF and SF still had in nature.
The next point is rep releases before gen releases from a photo.
I am sure this is a profitable business tactic, I am sure that sales are good, in a short period, but this is not the way to make best sellers, who will remain in people's collections for years and will not be sold for many years in a row, like the famous 382, 438 and others.
If we do so, then most of us would probably like to see v2 with the appropriate changes, such as in the case of the hands of pam1314, but so far there have been no re-releases with regen problems, tolktotnova models, with new problems. Diverse, but not as high quality as we would like.
Panerai have long been trying to convict of graphomania and the transition to a wide demand with an increase in price.
Many do not appreciate it, and I hope the world of rep will not pick up this gen trend, and will remain a stronghold of fans of this brand.
Next, noob. He left, not for long, to return, but began this return with the absurd PAM911 and PAM390. These are prized models, and the 911 is one of the most highly anticipated. What we saw is bordered by dhgate, from a factory that has set the quality standard.
With pam111 and pam005 at some point, it starts to seem similar.
I have no doubt that the last 111 and 005 are better, but one way or another, before, with rare exceptions, those who did not know what to buy could always buy panerai from noob and not be wrong. Now, what to choose, 005 noob or xf is an open question.
I hope they realize their importance to the community, and return to the level of quality that they themselves established earlier for rep panerai, at least with their already patented hits, not to mention new models to compete with VSF.
Now XF, which is known to belong to VSF, but leaves its brand for only a part of the models.
Their pam111 is not perfect at all, but 000, 005 and debut with 127 show that they have something to work on, but they are good.
Yes, later, we saw 088, which for some reason did not belong to XF, probably because it uses a clone, and 217 already in 2021, which showed how you can save on customers and stay loved.
However, I hope that they will monitor bugs, build up their competence and perhaps our many topics with desires for reprints will be heard. Then, they will be able to go forward in time, in the lineup and back, collecting the fruits of their professionalism from both poles of PANERAI amateurs.
The new HWF player hasn't been impressed yet. I hope that the results of this attempt will give them an understanding that they need to comply with the reps assessment criteria, and not try to use the lack of alternatives for choosing their product for a specific model.
634, 774, 777 are worse than v6f.
The later appeared 1085, which could be a hit, on a par with the 911 became an even less popular model.
Perhaps only 915 can be discussed, and then, taking into account the acceptance of inevitable shortcomings and compensation for shortcomings.
We all definitely want to see a new player, especially developing the lost models of the current market participants, but this requires quality, and it is possible to get it. I really hope that they can do it, and we will remember their current lineup only by chance, as a curiosity.
In general, it seems that after some recession, the world of rep pams is becoming more interesting and active. Hopefully, this leap will turn into an upward trend, and we will see a lot of new and interesting, both from the new releases of the P factory, and the old, but not forgotten brand symbols that are not easy to get these days.
Now, for specific releases, I will not once again discuss failures, and what is either not in demand or is simply in the general mass, but I will single out what I personally think is the best.
These are all very high quality new releases, some of which, in my humble opinion, may qualify for the superrep title.
Especially, I would like to highlight pam1312, which in my opinion is the most accurate of all in 2020.
PAM1312
PAM1313
PAM1056
PAM1025
PAM692
PAM1661
All of them are united by some VSF shortcomings for this type of case, related to the crown shape, CG, slightly bold dial fonts, differences in the texture of the dial and DW, caseback diameter (although not all tested), it is also likely that many of them use not the most suitable AR and lume, and in the end, the rep shape of the pillow can be distinguished upon close examination, but there are no factual errors and flaws that a person who does not deal with this GEN model, or extremely attentive will find.
Reprints can also be of very high quality, and here are the ones that I singled out for myself.
PAM000
PAM005
PAM127
They have something to work on, but this is at least a step towards meeting everyone who wants to see something old school.
Also, there are, albeit not as accurate, but, in my opinion, good and important releases, such as:
PAM1117
PAM1118
PAM1119
PAM1662
PAM1663
As I already wrote, there is something to complain about, but this is clearly new, not usual, and experiments with new materials, on which the future of new reps depends, as I think.
That's all I wanted to say. In fact, it is unlikely that you have found a lot of new things for yourself, but I will be glad if someone finds it interesting, someone can decide on a purchase, or it is easier to find the information that you were looking for. This is basically what I wanted to bring.
Thanks to everyone who inquired about my writings, I apologize, for the many subjective views that not everyone may share, and for the absence of any objective points that should be mentioned in this kind of topic.
With respect to all who have read it and best wishes.
