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PAM000 XF old VS new

KOT1917

Put Some Respect On My Name
26/7/19
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Good day.
I propose to discuss the basic model again. Their selection was never great, and many of the marina counterparts like pairs 111/112, 177/176, and of course 005/000 usually had a smaller production run and were available for less time. At the moment, the choice is not at all great, this is 390 noob, which lags far behind its own previous version, as you can see from the link:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9531941-pam390-noob-old-vs-new
Models 634 and 774 from the new HWF factory, which clearly fall short of their previous versions from the V6F factory.
And of course, pam000 from the XF factory. The situation here is no less interesting than with 390.
- Firstly, this is the most classic and demanded basic pam.
- Secondly, 000 is simple enough. If you do not fulfill it perfectly, then whom?
- Thirdly, there was already a version XF / V6F, it is not perfect, but it is definitely very good.
Now that we have received the long awaited re-release of PAM000 from XF, it would be nice to know if they gave us more than last time?
In fact, over the past couple of years, while the basic panerai could not be bought from TD with a new one, there were regular topics of thirsty people, in numerous topics, desires for re-releases, always pam000. Nevertheless, quite a long time has passed, and there are not so many in the topic of issue 000, and there are not so many photos on the forum that allow you to see it in life.
I don't have a single version of this model, but a couple of old members (Special thanks to the man who has almost ALL the interesting rep pams ever made dadog13 andtominjo ) took some number of photos that I collected and decided to show you what 000 is today, and whether it is worth buying it, or looking for the previous version of m2m.
I warn you in advance that the photos were taken by different people, on different cameras, so I apologize for the mismatching frames, different cameras and clarity.
Some photos were processed, for comparison, under too different lighting conditions, some were not. I do not want to strain neither those who read and watch, nor those who take these photos, therefore, I consider only the basic aspects of the forms.
In this model, I am not evaluating color schemes, so this requires a side-by-side comparison in my opinion.

Well, a rather lengthy preface, let's start:

1. General appearance.
No unnecessary comments, just photos from the front, as you would see them from the wrist.
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2. Back case
If there are differences, then they are difficult to detect. All engravings are correct, beautiful, in place and extremely similar. By the way, the episode is one, it's still "Q" 2014.
(Which, by the way, can make it difficult to quickly identify, the old version is, or the new one)
Old, it's number 181
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3. Case.
The cases are obviously different, it is noticeable in all the details and from all sides:
- The height of the bezel's chamfer and the angle of inclination.
- The shape of the protrusions, the position of the screws on them.
- Pillow bevels.
Old top, right and top again.
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4. CG
For a full comparison, they should be removed, but even from such angles, it seems that:
- The new one is slightly thicker in profile in the middle of the length.
- The pin of the lever on the old one has a circular chamfer, so that it sticks out a little, I think it should be attributed to the specifics of the sample.
- Lever support stopper and tail of different shapes.
Old on the left, then on down, then on the right.
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5. Hands.
But here is one of the most striking changes. The new, right hands for the Q series are finally in place. Not the most obvious change, but this change is not a "quality improvement" but an actual error.
New on top in both photos.
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6. Dial.
Now, for a snack, it seems to me, the most important and difficult.
- Placement, thickness and font of the labels and logo do not seem to have changed. I cannot compare the color.
- The thickness of markers and numbers seems to have not changed, but the font "6" and "9" in some places looks different, especially in the first one.
- There was no way to compare the color, but from the photo xf005, which the members post, we can assume that it is a little greener.
- CP on the new one looks a little worse, but I think this is again a more QC moment than the real feature of the model version, because, I saw flatter ones.
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(The dial in one photo looks brown, but not like that. It's just the specifics of the lighting, due to which I "cooled" the comparison sets, it's just that some volumetric details are lost during this kind of processing)
7. Lumshoot
- As noted many times before, the old xf had the problem that the brightness between hands and indices was different. Now this is clearly not the case.
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But, what conclusions can be drawn?
This seems to be a long-awaited example where the factory has done a good job.
- The first and most obvious fact, they changed hands to the correct ones for this series. It seems that at the same time, the return of the correspondence to the glow of the hands and the dial is connected. in the last issue, they put their hands, they found in grandfather's chest from the attic.
- Pin CG looks really better, although many new releases neglect it. It would be fixable, but modifying panerai, even so slightly, has long been out of fashion.
- The shape of the case has been improved. The bezel chamfer is thinner, the projections are thicker, the screw holes are closer to the edge, the shape of the pillow is difficult to compare from someone else's photos, but it seems to me that the corners could be taken lower, in any case, the profile in some frames (the height of the edges of the corners) seems a little thicker, than necessary.
- The CG lever from the profile looks better in terms of matching the CG in length. I do not exclude that it is not necessary once at a time, but this is an advantage that I could not fail to fix.
- The lever stopper has become thinner, which is good.
- Also, it is interesting that 000 and 005 have the same case, did not compare in detail, but I believe that everything that is true for 000 can be applied to 005.
Now about the sad things.
- Dial, It is expected that the factory could change suppliers or technologies over these several years, but the main danger of sausage dials is the structure of the sausage. If it was done as well as a sandwich, then there would be hardly any questions 111 or 005 (in terms of accuracy).
XF made good sausage.
It was flat, but had an indent from the edge of the slots, and most importantly, it was below the level of the dial.
Only HF was better at this task.
Now, we see what looks a lot like the dials of the new noob (390, 005 "N" new). The lum is convex, glossy, without indents, and it seems that it was painted on the surface of the dial, without cutouts (I can only guess).
- Also the fonts "6" and "9" seem to differ. Is it for the better? It's hard to tell from these photos, but it seems to me not.
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As a result:
We got a lot of small improvements and an obvious bug fix, but apparently lost the main advantage.

What does it mean?
For each, the answer will be different.
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My personal conclusion:
All these little things are what we are obliged to receive from rep today, as well as the absence of factual errors, but a good lume structure is a gem that deserves not only a purchase "out of hunger" according to the basic model, but true love.
However, this is a great, high quality and very accurate rep, which is a must for anyone who hasn't gotten the classic PAM base yet.
And from the wrist, and even twisting in the hands, it will not be easy to distinguish them. Many of my friends who have a rep or gen pam with a sausage dial did not even know about the height of the lume, and how it should look.
After all, who knows how long this factory stock will last.
And yes, this is the only and best 000 that TD has today:cool:
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With respect to everyone who decided to see my post of many letters and few photos, and with the coming year 2021.
I believe we will see many more interesting things in it.
 

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Great write up!

The one thing that would bother me in real life at about 10 feet away distance is the greener lume markers. I haven't seen the newer 005 000 or 111 from XF in person yet so I won't conclude but from pics, they all looked a bit too green to me. Gens do not look like this unless the lumes were charged outside in the sun and then you came into a normal room or something like that. At most, it looks ivory ish but mostly slightly off-white color.

The nipple effect on the CP pins existed in some older Pams too. At least both of my H-Fac 114Oand 005M have this. Gen is not completely flat either but the nipple effect is so slight that it looks flat in most pics. This used to bother me a lot but I got over it lol. It's better than having recessed CP.

When you are discussing he hands, you're referring to the length of the hand right? I am not as familiar with the Q series 000 hands.

I am gonna re-read this and study up lol. Awesome post.
 
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Oh the new Q series comes with Pre-V hands??

Edit: Wait nvm I got confused. I got it backwards.
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Great pictorial/review again.I've had several zeros from HF, Noob and XF and I am more likely gettin this new XF version again soon
 
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I don't think the green colour is an issue (maybe I've got less green receptors in my eyes?); there is a very little bit of it, but not such that it actually looks green under normal sunlight or use.
I've got a XF PAM000 and it seems alright to me.

It might appear green due to the way the images are taken. Anytime there is a little bit of darkness, the green will show up even faintly.

Here's some product videos from CN sellers and they look pretty alright; they look pretty off white to me.

XF 沛纳海 000 手动机_腾讯视频 (qq.com)
XF厂经典pam000海鸥6497机芯_腾讯视频 (qq.com)
xf厂沛纳海000手动6497机芯表现如何 (qq.com)
 
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KOT1917 thank you for the effort to put this together, and a very factual review.

Regarding dial numbers, here is a comparison of the 6:

Old XF top / Gen middle / New XF bottom

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And a comparison of the 9:

New XF left / Gen middle / Old XF right

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In my opinion, the font of the numbers could be improved, and the sausage lume application as well, however they seem good enough for a V1 this year (assuming this sells well enough to make a V2).

Now if only XF could start engraving the ‘1’ in 1860 the same size as the 8,6,0 on the caseback.....

I’ve ordered one anyway - before stocks run out.
 
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Oh the new Q series comes with Pre-V hands??

Edit: Wait nvm I got confused. I got it backwards.
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Yes, that's right, all modern 000/005 come with "pre-v", short tip hands. This change happened around the K series, if I'm not mistaken.
 
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Yes, that's right, all modern 000/005 come with "pre-v", short tip hands. This change happened around the K series, if I'm not mistaken.

So wait, the Q Series comes with modern or Pre-V? I thought I saw a gen Pic with modern hands before.

I can confirm that my M series 005 has modern hands. I have seen gens with matching hand but I have seen N series with Pre-V.
 

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So, I'll put it a little easier.
On old (gen) 005/000 hands with a long tip, on new ones with a short tip.
The Q series must be short.
But the first version of 000 xf was long.
It got better after fixing this error.
 
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Coincidentally I'm wearing mine today. This has come out to be a bit of an awkward build and looks beat up and with a few good details and a few annoying flaws. It cost a pretty penny even though it's all rep parts but at the time, no 000s were available.

I finally finished it, (noob dial, hands and case back) thinking I built something relatively unique only to discover it was released like the day I fished it. Never fails.

I look forward to comparing my build to this thread along with its inclusion of so many details to look out for and with them pointed out and discussed, I can see them all so much better. Which might be a bad thing. Blissful ignorance is much more adventageous to wearing reps.

However I am on Tapatalk and I can see maybe 1/3 of the pics included. I will have to sign back on from a browser so I can see the others.

As always kot has proven to be a knowledgeable member with a great deal of attetion to detail. Demonstrating very well why this community is an amazing place with benefit to us all.

This thread was (must have taken) a lot of work to put together. We appreciate your eye for Panerai and eye for details which prompted you to put in all this work just so we can engage in the discussion and evaluation (and appreciation) of these models.

Thank you, KOT1917. Great thread.
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So wait, the Q Series comes with modern or Pre-V? I thought I saw a gen Pic with modern hands before.

I can confirm that my M series 005 has modern hands. I have seen gens with matching hand but I have seen N series with Pre-V.

If I remember correctly, Pre V hands started to come out with the N series made by Noob years ago. After that H Fac added them to some models including the zero. My XF V1 from a couple of years back had the incorrect 'modern hands' and that's one of the reasons I sold it even after I placed a wanted ad for a set of the correct hands
 
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If I remember correctly, Pre V hands started to come out with the N series made by Noob years ago. After that H Fac added them to some models including the zero. My XF V1 from a couple of years back had the incorrect 'modern hands' and that's one of the reasons I sold it even after I placed a wanted ad for a set of the correct hands

I actually did some research on this as well (I got super curious lol).

You're indeed correct regarding 005. N is the first series with Pre-V hands. For 111, later production of M series had pre-v and earlier had modern (so for 111, both pre-v and modern hands are correct for M series). 112 and 000 started from N series. It also looks like Panerai switched back to modern hands starting from the Q series on 000. Very odd going back and forth lol. I am not 100% sure on the Q model yet though. More investigating needed lol!
 

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I stand corrected. Q series 000. indeed comes with Pre-V hands. Above is a Pic of gen 000Q.
 
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It seems that they do have production quantities per run (limited in that sense)

Also, I just spoke to Andrew, he said recently there's been quite some raids going on and many factories have closed to avoid getting caught.
Just last month,. JBF was caught and it's now no more.

Maybe that's why XF and VSF haven't been pumping out new models of late, just last year end, it was almost a new model every week.
 

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Did Panerai make different quanties for different series?

I have seen many with a run out of 2000.

I have seen some with a production run of 1000 and I noticed my noob case back has a production run of 1500 for a P series so I'm just kind of curious.

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Did Panerai make different quanties for different series?

I have seen many with a run out of 2000.

I have seen some with a production run of 1000 and I noticed my noob case back has a production run of 1500 for a P series so I'm just kind of curious.

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Yep! I don't have the quantities memorized for each series for each model but different amount of certain series were made for certain models.

For example, 005M was xxxx/1200. 005N was xxxx/1500
 
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Did Panerai make different quanties for different series?

I have seen many with a run out of 2000.

I have seen some with a production run of 1000 and I noticed my noob case back has a production run of 1500 for a P series so I'm just kind of curious.

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Both the gen PAM000 P Series and PAM005 P Series are a run of 1000 pieces each.
 
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Well, with the hands, it seems, figured out. Both gen and rep in different series had different, but rep were not always correct, from this point of view, now there are no problems with modern rep versions, neither 000 nor 005. Everything is fine.

Hazing ! Thanks for the kind words. I try to periodically give some information, I'm glad that it is in demand by someone.
By the way, can you share the full spec of your build? I realized that there are parts of the noob, but I didn't understand where the rest came from.

As far as the color of the markers is concerned, as far as I know and agree with sukwonee , that numbers and markers must be white. It seems to "look" even whiter than 111. But as I said, it is very difficult to compare anything from a photo. You must see both with your eyes at the same time, otherwise it's just guesswork.
I watched the video with the new 000 that is participating in this review, it looks 100% white. Photos of other people often look greenish at both 000 and 005 xf. As, by the way, and noob 005 "N" new.
However, gen can also be photographed in green. It's not hard to check on chrono24. Therefore, in this case, even more so, that most smartphone cameras automatically optimize settings, and the photo rarely looks directly the way the eyes perceive it.
And at the same time, I also do not like completely green lum, with the exception of some models. This gives an association with old cheap rep. But xf clearly doesn't look like this.

As for the series, they are always limited to some kind of limit, so all panerai series are limited.
The rep circulation is also often limited, not within the series of the year, but from the number of copies of the batch produced, but this is another mathematics that we can only guess about, because no one except factories counts them. However, they are also often limited, and whether they will produce the next one always depends on the sales of the past, and probably on a bunch of other factors.

The annual limits on rep are usually in vain correctly, however we have already seen the 005 "P" series from noob, which incorrectly indicated the annual limit of 1500, when it is 1000 units, for gen, as was correctly noted. XF has it right so far. It seems they did not change the backcase engraving pattern, judging by the poor "1" in 1860, as rightly noted thorne .
 
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