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The ZF really is much better than the VSF as far as lume color, but you're right, they do all feel like you're wearing a rep, and that's because you are. These Chinese factories can't produce watches identical to those costing 10-20x more, it's just not possible (at least at the $3-400 price point we're talking about here).

After a fair number of reps I've come to the conclusion that even for the best it's pretty easy to know one from the other upon handling if you have any experience with the real deal. The good part is that on the wrist it's often hard to tell and is especially difficult to spot on someone else's. And that's for someone really in the know, the average person would never, ever, ever be able to spot some of the things stressed out about on this site as "major tells."

I'm pretty critical and I have come to realize that there are some flaws I can live with and some I can't. I had a GF Breitling Avenger II that was really quite amazing, so close to perfect, but it had one flaw that I couldn't stand. The bezel wasn't perfectly flat and you could tell by the way it caught the light. Hell, the gen might even be like that, but it was something I couldn't live with. The white dial VSF SMP was the same, perfectly fine to me except for the yellow lume. This ZF is no Omega, it can't be, but (as for now) it has reached that bar of acceptability in my eyes. I'm not going around flaunting that I have an Omega on my wrist and lying about it, but I'm proud knowing that I have a darn good looking watch on that everyone will think is an Omega.

To end my diatribe, I think it comes down to what you can accept and what you can't. Some people flip about certain things and other people don't even notice them. Overall, I feel the ZF is a big leap ahead of the other factories for the SMP, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Appreciate your comments and agree for the most part. I would snap up a ZF in a heart beat if the crystal was AR similar to the VSF. That is a deal breaker for me.

I have resorted to frankening a VSF 116610LN to get the closest possible aesthetic rep to gen as I have come to research. If that doesn’t put my fastidious nature at ease, no rep will and I’ll give up searching.
 

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The ZF really is much better than the VSF as far as lume color, but you're right, they do all feel like you're wearing a rep, and that's because you are. These Chinese factories can't produce watches identical to those costing 10-20x more, it's just not possible (at least at the $3-400 price point we're talking about here).

After a fair number of reps I've come to the conclusion that even for the best it's pretty easy to know one from the other upon handling if you have any experience with the real deal. The good part is that on the wrist it's often hard to tell and is especially difficult to spot on someone else's. And that's for someone really in the know, the average person would never, ever, ever be able to spot some of the things stressed out about on this site as "major tells."

I'm pretty critical and I have come to realize that there are some flaws I can live with and some I can't. I had a GF Breitling Avenger II that was really quite amazing, so close to perfect, but it had one flaw that I couldn't stand. The bezel wasn't perfectly flat and you could tell by the way it caught the light. Hell, the gen might even be like that, but it was something I couldn't live with. The white dial VSF SMP was the same, perfectly fine to me except for the yellow lume. This ZF is no Omega, it can't be, but (as for now) it has reached that bar of acceptability in my eyes. I'm not going around flaunting that I have an Omega on my wrist and lying about it, but I'm proud knowing that I have a darn good looking watch on that everyone will think is an Omega.

To end my diatribe, I think it comes down to what you can accept and what you can't. Some people flip about certain things and other people don't even notice them. Overall, I feel the ZF is a big leap ahead of the other factories for the SMP, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
My biggest gripe on my old white dial VSF SM 300 was the red Seamster text on the dial. It was waaaay too light in colour and really made it feel like a photocopied rep. Second issue was the lack of the regulator screw - easily spotted through the display case back. Yeh I know it wouldn’t register with 90% of people but it was such a major flaw, especially considering the display back… 3rd issue was the crown guard shape, waaaaay wrong and very obvious.

Last issue on the VSF ( and nothing to do with aesthetic accuracy ) was the very bad crown/ tube quality. Stripped completely twice and rendered the Watch useless…

So all up, I would like to think the ZF has addressed all of these issues and it’s finally a satisfactory rep of a very good watch from OMEGA.

I’m hoping to pick up a white dial ZF soon as I miss this rep. The VSF scratches the itch for the while I had it and the while it actually worked so now it’s stoke to live on to greatly improved version hopefully.
 
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OK peeps, I got my white ZF back from my watchmaker. I had a spare swiss eta 2824 to hand, so I set him a challenge to swap in the swiss movement, but keep the black parts and fake deco plate, yes I know WHY? I like a swiss engine in all my reps, its just an old habit. He said it was a bit of a challenge but turned out well. What has gone due to the movement swap is the little etched omega logo on the bottom of the movement, it now shows an eta stamp, but i don't mind that. Now it winds better, date clicks over better and hands have less wobble.

I also ordered a rep and OEM rubber band to compare. I picked up the black OEM from omega, it was around £220 and the rep was £18 big difference! This is known to be the best rubber version and even came with a nice set of spare spring bars, curved and straight to ensure you could get it to fit.


I recall I had to use curved spring bars on the VS case for the old VS rep rubber to fit (Ive since sold it) . With the ZF, the original straight spring bars were fine. OMEGA told me that this rubber strap is only supplied with straight bars, and only the nato straps come with curved ones.

The rubber on the rep strap is a little softer and the raised sections on the underside are higher than the OEM strap, visually its VERY close, but there is a difference in both feel and pin buckle. Was it worth another £200? No.... The pin buckle on its own is £45, so I would say, rep rubber and OEM pin buckle is the way to go if you want to save some money.

Onto the watches.

My grey dial came with the piss-yellow lume, I bought another dial from VSF many months later that was supposed to be better, but it looked identical to me. I found a modder in Italy who had good feedback for relume work so sent the watch to him to relume both dial and hands.

Once it came back it has been sitting in my watch box for a few months. I was very alarmed when I went to compare the new ZF and to take some pics for you chaps, as the hour hand has lost the blue colour - I cannot explain what happened, I presume damage from whatever the guy used to strip the lume from the hands, but I got a new set of hands on the way from trusty ($50) to resolve, more expense, don't you just love this hobby.

Was I happy with the manual lume job, from the wrist it's fine, but close-up pics like this, make it looks pretty bad (no need to remind me and make me feel shitty, thanks) but hey, it's white ;-) and it really is not that bad on the wrist.

The bezel on the VSF is better on my example. The ZF has a little play when you push down on it. The "click" action to me is the same.

Getting a decent model with indices that are straight/aligned is the big issue with this model from all factories, and neither are perfect, but I got tired of rejecting QC.

I have not unwrapped the ZF bracelet as I planned to have the white on the rubber. Note the clasp on the VSF band is OEM. I am surprised not more members swap these with the OEM part, it only cost about £100 and the fit and finish is much higher, no more sharp edges!

In terms of AR, the VRF is slightly better.

I would lastly add, that if any member does have access to OEM dials or hands, please get in touch.

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OK peeps, I got my white ZF back from my watchmaker. I had a spare swiss eta 2824 to hand, so I set him a challenge to swap in the swiss movement, but keep the black parts and fake deco plate, yes I know WHY? I like a swiss engine in all my reps, its just an old habit. He said it was a bit of a challenge but turned out well. What has gone due to the movement swap is the little etched omega logo on the bottom of the movement, it now shows an eta stamp, but i don't mind that. Now it winds better, date clicks over better and hands have less wobble.

I also ordered a rep and OEM rubber band to compare. I picked up the black OEM from omega, it was around £220 and the rep was £18 big difference! This is known to be the best rubber version and even came with a nice set of spare spring bars, curved and straight to ensure you could get it to fit.


I recall I had to use curved spring bars on the VS case for the old VS rep rubber to fit (Ive since sold it) . With the ZF, the original straight spring bars were fine. OMEGA told me that this rubber strap is only supplied with straight bars, and only the nato straps come with curved ones.

The rubber on the rep strap is a little softer and the raised sections on the underside are higher than the OEM strap, visually its VERY close, but there is a difference in both feel and pin buckle. Was it worth another £200? No.... The pin buckle on its own is £45, so I would say, rep rubber and OEM pin buckle is the way to go if you want to save some money.

Onto the watches.

My grey dial came with the piss-yellow lume, I bought another dial from VSF many months later that was supposed to be better, but it looked identical to me. I found a modder in Italy who had good feedback for relume work so sent the watch to him to relume both dial and hands.

Once it came back it has been sitting in my watch box for a few months. I was very alarmed when I went to compare the new ZF and to take some pics for you chaps, as the hour hand has lost the blue colour - I cannot explain what happened, I presume damage from whatever the guy used to strip the lume from the hands, but I got a new set of hands on the way from trusty ($50) to resolve, more expense, don't you just love this hobby.

Was I happy with the manual lume job, from the wrist it's fine, but close-up pics like this, make it looks pretty bad (no need to remind me and make me feel shitty, thanks) but hey, it's white ;-) and it really is not that bad on the wrist.

The bezel on the VSF is better on my example. The ZF has a little play when you push down on it. The "click" action to me is the same.

Getting a decent model with indices that are straight/aligned is the big issue with this model from all factories, and neither are perfect, but I got tired of rejecting QC.

I have not unwrapped the ZF bracelet as I planned to have the white on the rubber. Note the clasp on the VSF band is OEM. I am surprised not more members swap these with the OEM part, it only cost about £100 and the fit and finish is much higher, no more sharp edges!

In terms of AR, the VRF is slightly better.

I would lastly add, that if any member does have access to OEM dials or hands, please get in touch.

Onto pics:




































Thanks for the great comparison! I have the white VSF (and a grey dial ORF) but have been wanting to sell my VSF more and more as the lume just still doesn’t sit well with me.

So in terms of an overall rep with respect to appeared on the wrist — would you recommend keeping the VSF and trying to find a good source to re-lume it? Or sell the VSF and go with the ZF?
 

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Perhaps see if you can obtain a zf white dial and swap it in.

The trouble with the relume, it's quite expensive and you may or may not be happy with the result.
 

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The ZF really is much better than the VSF as far as lume color, but you're right, they do all feel like you're wearing a rep, and that's because you are. These Chinese factories can't produce watches identical to those costing 10-20x more, it's just not possible (at least at the $3-400 price point we're talking about here).

After a fair number of reps I've come to the conclusion that even for the best it's pretty easy to know one from the other upon handling if you have any experience with the real deal. The good part is that on the wrist it's often hard to tell and is especially difficult to spot on someone else's. And that's for someone really in the know, the average person would never, ever, ever be able to spot some of the things stressed out about on this site as "major tells."

I'm pretty critical and I have come to realize that there are some flaws I can live with and some I can't. I had a GF Breitling Avenger II that was really quite amazing, so close to perfect, but it had one flaw that I couldn't stand. The bezel wasn't perfectly flat and you could tell by the way it caught the light. Hell, the gen might even be like that, but it was something I couldn't live with. The white dial VSF SMP was the same, perfectly fine to me except for the yellow lume. This ZF is no Omega, it can't be, but (as for now) it has reached that bar of acceptability in my eyes. I'm not going around flaunting that I have an Omega on my wrist and lying about it, but I'm proud knowing that I have a darn good looking watch on that everyone will think is an Omega.

To end my diatribe, I think it comes down to what you can accept and what you can't. Some people flip about certain things and other people don't even notice them. Overall, I feel the ZF is a big leap ahead of the other factories for the SMP, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I have a gen omega diver and had a seamaster diver 007 from vsf, and apart from the strap, they felt functionally the same. Everything is slightly shittier on the rep, yeah, but just wearing it? Get a gen strap and it's basically the same, these factories make good cases IMO and the finish is pretty darn good, and you don't have to worry too much about bumping or scratching the thing.

You're right on the flaws though. Maybe 1/10 people even look at your watch, maybe more at a formal event, but I'd wager only 1/100 of those 1/10 would be able to spot these flaws just by looking at it with no reference.
 
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I have a gen omega diver and had a seamaster diver 007 from vsf, and apart from the strap, they felt functionally the same. Everything is slightly shittier on the rep, yeah, but just wearing it? Get a gen strap and it's basically the same, these factories make good cases IMO and the finish is pretty darn good, and you don't have to worry too much about bumping or scratching the thing.

You're right on the flaws though. Maybe 1/10 people even look at your watch, maybe more at a formal event, but I'd wager only 1/100 of those 1/10 would be able to spot these flaws just by looking at it with no reference.
That being said, take a macro lens to basically any finer part of the rep (shit like in between lugs, edges, parts of the movement, etc), and compare with gen, and the difference is obvious. You can't see that with your eyes though, so whatever.
 

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For those of you who are still on the fence: buy it!

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Is the rotor very noisy? Thank you
only because it free spins like the ORF does. I applied oil to my rotor and it’s perfect now. The gen is that quiet either. I wear it everyday and have since buying it a few weeks ago.
 
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How good is the ar coating on the zf when compared to the vsf?
 

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I would say nearly as good maybe 90-95% but better than ORF.