Welcome to the Brig: OASCOM

[PsychoTee16]

@dogwood good points, however, he has a MichaelChung Lathe. Those start at $5k-ish then plus the add ons. I doubt a 5-axis cnc, bench top, is that pricey.

And that laser machine was over a year ago.

But that’s all a bit irrelevant anyway, so I’ll stop arguing lol!

 

[MYHABIT89]

Really ?

As myself had job done by him and friends

 

[MYHABIT89]

I have a package arriving today. I'll let you know if there is something actually in the package. LOL

Wow is it something? I don’t know why he would do that in the hard way! Just insane how he just destroyed his own empire.

 

[wubsub]

I would kindly ask for your patience and understanding as I work to resolve everything.

trust takes decades to build and seconds to destroy. you've been here long enough to know that deflection is not taken lightly.

your incompetence has jeopardized your reputation as a TRUSTED WATCHMAKER and put stress on your clients as well as the mods here. i urge you to follow upon your words and do things right.

 

[MYHABIT89]

Fair enough, you know I trust you and your judgment. I still doubt he's making these dials from scratch like some people think, however.
The thing about taking payment in advance (and I'm sure you will agree here) is that it isn't really your money until you have delivered the goods or services, it shouldn't be spent and you should always have enough liquid capital to cover those payments/deposits. Pat should have no problem issuing prompt refunds for those who don't want to wait any longer. Regrettably, I fear you are correct and he has spent that money and that ends up in a Ponzi type situation where you are using fresh deposits to fulfil previous orders, a situation that can quickly get out of hand.

I just paid a deposit on some mew equipment for my workshop, it went into the company's trust account where it will sit until the goods are off the boat and I make the rest of the payment and take delivery. Now, while yo don't need to use a full-blown trust account a reputable business will keep those funds liquid until the order is fulfilled.

Sometimes i asked him about pricing of these dial it blew me away!it costs more than genuine dial.it just stunned me as many level. But well nowadays who would you trust???

 

[muiramas]

I would kindly ask for your patience and understanding as I work to resolve everything.

I can’t equate what you are doing with ‘kindly asking’.

Are you going to let the boss know what you are doing to ‘resolve everything’?

 

[trailboss99]

Are you going to let the boss know what you are doing to ‘resolve everything’?

Apparently not. I did get an email yes but it was excuses, not reasons or even acceptable excuses. "Hi trail,*fluf, fluf, fluf* . . . *reasons, excuses* . . . fluf, fluf, fluid" Not a word of it struck true to me and I've been at this a long time.
Admirt it Pat, you were using deposits to pay for previous jobs and it resulted in a Ponzi scheme. Admit the truth and we may have some sympathy, keep this crap up and it will not be pretty.

Note this from @themaxx25:
"Update: the order I placed this past Friday before this post went up (which F* scared the living daylights out of me) did arrive today! I am hopeful there is light at the end of the tunnel for everyone effected."
You have fulfilled orders placed less than a week ago yet you have ordered seven fucking months old at a minimum that remain unfilled. Please explain how this is good business or in the slightest ethical.


Seriously dude, pissed-off customers are about to end "life as you know it"n (because lawsuits tend to do that) unless you either produce the goods or refund immediately and return goods held by you belonging to clients.

Your choice, the legal option is one step away and it will end you.
I may add, the illegal option (very unpleasant) was much in favour by some wronged parties but we (RWI) have strongly dissuaded that in favour of both civil and criminal charges. Don't make us retreat that, your options are reducing daily.

Produce the goods for ALL wronged parties (and not just one or two like you have so far) or the legal option will be brought to the table.
I'm not sure about the others dealing with cases (Lordy knows, I'm not even sure how many there are at the moment as they keep multiplying) but you have responded to one of mine out of three. Not good enough.

 

[trailboss99]

Oh, and by the way, the next accusation I expect to see is that I am bulling Oascom, FUCKING OATH I AM!
And you know what . . . I do not give not a single jot, all I care about is that people get what is owed them and, until we stepped in that was a distant possibility indeed.

If you don't like how we roll, bugger off back to Reddit, just don't expect help from us.
Speaking of Reddit, wait until the good folk there start to get worried and tell how long they have been waiting . . .

 

[Dave2302]

I just paid a deposit on some mew equipment for my workshop, it went into the company's trust account where it will sit until the goods are off the boat and I make the rest of the payment and take delivery. Now, while yo don't need to use a full-blown trust account a reputable business will keep those funds liquid until the order is fulfilled.

/\ /\ /\ Exactly this

In UK we call that a client account, and legally we are not allowed to use that money for anything other than the specific client the payment is listed as and has approved the purchase of the whatever.

i.e. In my case when building specialist one off or modified cars, I would take pre payments for exotic parts like a V12 engine, transmission, suspension parts, a whole chassis etc etc. At the point I spent that money and took delivery of that part etc that is the property of the client.
If I go and spend that money on workshop equipment such as a chassis jig, new lift etc I am commiting fraud.

I don't know how that translates in others territorial law, but would imagine it is similar.

Edit:-

Also (FWIW), agreed fully on posts #167 and 168, time to sort it out is now ridiculously overdue so action is the next step.

 

[davelister]

Oh, and by the way, the next accusation I expect to see is that I am bulling OAascom, FUCKING OATH I AM!
And you know what . . . I don't give not a single jot, all I care about is that people get what is owed than and until we stepped in that was a distant possibility indeed.

If you don't like how we roll, bugger off back to Reddit, just don't expect hep from us.
Speaking of Reddit, wait until the good folk there start to get worried and tell how long they have been waiting . . .

I know I've come off as a complete idiot a few times, but I do applaud what you do. I know how hard it is.

Thanks for looking out for us.

 

[SaiyanSaiyanNoMi]

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[trailboss99]

/\ /\ /\ Exactly this

In UK we call that a client account, and legally we are not allowed to use that money for anything other than the specific client the payment is listed as and has approved the purchase of the whatever.

i.e. In my case when building specialist one off or modified cars, I would take pre payments for exotic parts like a V12 engine, transmission, suspension parts, a whole chassis etc etc. At the point I spent that money and took delivery of that part etc that is the property of the client.
If I go and spend that money on workshop equipment such as a chassis jig, new lift etc I am commiting fraud.

I don't know how that translates in others territorial law, but would imagine it is similar.

Edit:-

Also (FWIW), agreed fully on posts #167 and 168, time to sort it out is now ridiculously overdue so action is the next step.

This, all of this and that is exactly how I run my business (which sounds very similar to yours BTW). While I'm not bound by a legislated account I run my place much the same, it goes into its own account (in the books, in the bank it's all just hams, Marge) and is only used for parts and consumables for that build, even labour is off the table unless it's something very specific. Admittedly this business is a sideline, borderline hobby for me but the last vehicle I built was a $160k Defender so I doubt the client saw it that way. Oh, and yeah, I wish my own Defender was a fraction of the one we built for the client.

 

[majwilliams0308]

I have been sick since Monday with a particularly bad flu, so I have had to be observing and waiting - I am beginning to feel a bit better last night. I have made Oascom have an 'on hold' status until he has cleared through his queue and has made good on his promises to existing customers. I admittedly don't know a lot about the situation at this moment but intend to.

I recognize the situation RWI was put in and it was not a healthy place for both Pat and the staff here. One of the hallmarks of modders and the community is integrity first and foremost. It doesn't matter what I think in the long run, but I do think he overextended himself and probably should only take payments up front as the standard model for expensive gen/aftermarket parts - so that a client can't back out once you've fronted cash for something. I do think this was a swift kick in the ass he needed probably to get in gear.

I support the decision here and will work with the mods here to understand more in-depth what happened, if needed I'll revoke all privileges as far as I can influence on the reddit side.

Edit: I believe there is a rumor I removed the post on Reptime - that was done either by OP or reddit admins. I allow for free discussion about that.

Edit2: I've reached out to TB on PMs so I can understand specifics. If needed I'll update my conclusions here for public awareness.

 

[Oascom]

Let me take a moment to address some of the comments made here directly.

Firstly, most orders have now been fulfilled, and there are only few builds left to complete. I understand that for those waiting, delays are frustrating, and I sincerely apologize for the time it has taken.

Regarding pre-paid work, I want to clarify that the accusation that funds from pre-payments have been used for unrelated expenses is not only false but also deeply upsetting. While I appreciate the business advice some have offered on managing workflow, the suggestion that I am running a 'Ponzi scheme' is not only untrue but incredibly disheartening to hear.

For transparency, I have every watch part and every watch securely stored and allocated to the respective projects. I document this through pictures and videos. The reason for requiring pre-payment on certain items, like dials, is because, in the past, people have placed orders and backed out, leaving me out of pocket for time and materials.

I recognize and understand the frustration with delays. I’m not the first business owner to face scaling or workflow challenges, but I want to be clear: the suggestion of criminal intent is baseless and unfair. I’ve openly acknowledged these challenges and am taking active steps to address them.

That said, it’s important to set realistic expectations. Some people seem to expect perfection, delivered quickly and at a low cost. These are contradictory demands, and it’s impossible to meet them all. If my work, prices, or timelines don’t align with what you’re looking for, I encourage you to explore other talented modders and watchsmiths within this incredible community.

As others have pointed out, if anyone believes they’ve been defrauded or had items stolen, I invite them to come forward. My backlog is long, and I’ve been transparent about that. But amid this ongoing debate about my integrity, I’ve received 12 new requests, which suggests there’s still confidence in my work despite the criticism here.

Moving forward, I plan to reject all new work requests as I reassess my processes and focus on fulfilling the remaining overdue orders. This has been a priority I’ve acknowledged both privately and publicly, and I remain committed to seeing it through.

Thank you for your patience and for allowing me the opportunity to address these concerns.

 

[daytona4me]

Moving forward, I plan to reject all new work requests as I reassess my processes and focus on fulfilling the remaining overdue orders. This has been a priority I’ve acknowledged both privately and publicly, and I remain committed to seeing it through.

I'm not going to keep piling on, but all of this should not have been necessary to get you to stop the insanity and regulate yourself.

edit: And stop continuing to market yourself on Instagram , attempting to attract more business. ffs

 

[mclarendude]

You've given RWI and your clients a lot of chest-beating promises and yet here we are. This will be your last wake up call.

See how easy it is to sit down and write a statement to your customers? How long did it take you?

Clearly communicating isn't a priority unless it is under threat.

 

[j21]

Refund and ship back members watches of pending orders that help ticket has been raised can be done in 1 business day

Until then I see only stalling

 

[tomriddle]

$3,300 .. $2,100 .. $2,600



and those are just some "simple" pieces I inquired about.. I personally know 1 person whose sent over $10,000... and I think someone in this thread said they've sent over $15k?? holy crap..

just, holy crap.. how much disposable income you all got!? thankful I never did pull the trigger on any watch even though I could have..

 

[joshhb8282]

Let me take a moment to address some of the comments made here directly.

Firstly, most orders have now been fulfilled, and there are only few builds left to complete. I understand that for those waiting, delays are frustrating, and I sincerely apologize for the time it has taken.

Regarding pre-paid work, I want to clarify that the accusation that funds from pre-payments have been used for unrelated expenses is not only false but also deeply upsetting. While I appreciate the business advice some have offered on managing workflow, the suggestion that I am running a 'Ponzi scheme' is not only untrue but incredibly disheartening to hear.

For transparency, I have every watch part and every watch securely stored and allocated to the respective projects. I document this through pictures and videos. The reason for requiring pre-payment on certain items, like dials, is because, in the past, people have placed orders and backed out, leaving me out of pocket for time and materials.

I recognize and understand the frustration with delays. I’m not the first business owner to face scaling or workflow challenges, but I want to be clear: the suggestion of criminal intent is baseless and unfair. I’ve openly acknowledged these challenges and am taking active steps to address them.

That said, it’s important to set realistic expectations. Some people seem to expect perfection, delivered quickly and at a low cost. These are contradictory demands, and it’s impossible to meet them all. If my work, prices, or timelines don’t align with what you’re looking for, I encourage you to explore other talented modders and watchsmiths within this incredible community.

As others have pointed out, if anyone believes they’ve been defrauded or had items stolen, I invite them to come forward. My backlog is long, and I’ve been transparent about that. But amid this ongoing debate about my integrity, I’ve received 12 new requests, which suggests there’s still confidence in my work despite the criticism here.

Moving forward, I plan to reject all new work requests as I reassess my processes and focus on fulfilling the remaining overdue orders. This has been a priority I’ve acknowledged both privately and publicly, and I remain committed to seeing it through.

Thank you for your patience and for allowing me the opportunity to address these concerns.

Even sounds like the last few Anthony Farrer youtube videos. Righteous indignation.

 

[SaiyanSaiyanNoMi]

$3,300 .. $2,100 .. $2,600



and those are just some "simple" pieces I inquired about.. I personally know 1 person whose sent over $10,000... and I think someone in this thread said they've sent over $15k?? holy crap..

just, holy crap.. how much disposable income you all got!? thankful I never did pull the trigger on any watch even though I could have..

I also don't want to pile on but this exchange has me curious. When he's showcasing these watches on Instagram, are they aware they are modded replicas when messaging him? I'm aware he does legitimate watches, and probably mods them as easily.