Is there a thread to teach people to do this with some pics as reference?
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Is there a thread to teach people to do this with some pics as reference?
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I think black hole effect is combinaison of user view angle, cyclope position and light position. It’s very hard to describe as repeatable process to proto workshop. Imo “only way” is to copy the gen spec 
I'd just make a video. But i have no Sub date at the moment.
Might be getting some in in a couple of days. Then i could try and Show you.
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I think black hole effect is combinaison of user view angle, cyclope position and light position. It’s very hard to describe as repeatable process to proto workshop. Imo “only way” is to copy the gen spec
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mari115
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Number 1 should be the crystal (black hole effect, halo effect, cyclops clarity, color of cyclops reflections)
it's still the most noticeable tell on the wrist.
mari115
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I posted some pictures and description of the black hole + halo effect here, on page 17: https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...y-begun/page17
You can easily recreate the black hole effect under dim lights (ex. outdoors during sunset or sunrise) or indoors, under warm dim artificial light (NO spotlights or Studio lights).
It's very easy to recreate with a gen crystal, if you can't with a rep it's either because the lightning is wrong or the glass is just bad.
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I think the dial and bezel colors of the Hulk are the most noticeable tells.
mari115
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Sure, i can agree with that, i meant between 2 LNs, a rep and a gen, the biggest flaw you can see even without comparing is the crystal
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I couldn’t recreate with all the gens I had posted in this thread, never tried with a rep yet. Just need a pictorial of how to do this properly.
mari115
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You couldn't recreate it because you were most likely indoors under direct led lights, or spotlights.
To recreate it you literally have to move / tilt the watch trying to catch the reflection of the indirect light so that it points towards your eyes / camera.
This is how a NO AR crystal should look like (correct for early 5 digits models):
As you can see if you tilt the watch the reflection and color stays consistent both in the crystal and in the cyclops (cloudy both when straight or tilted). Sadly most of the 6 digit rep crystals are similar to this one, cloudy, full of reflections and with almost no blackhole effect.
This is a gen AR crystal, as you can see it's deep black with no reflection when seen straight (pointing straight at the camera / eyes), but as soon as you tilt it, and you point the reflection of the indirect light towards your eyes / camera, you see how the whole crystal looks whitish because of the indirect light, but the cyclops remains deep black, with almost no reflection, and very crisp.
Here's some more examples:
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mari115
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Thank you.
It's very easy to recreate, you just have to stand in the shade and do as i said, or during a cloudy day outdoors. You can even see it indoors under warm dim lights.
It's not "rare" it happens very often.
The black hole effect is not noticeable only when under direct sunlight or direct artificial light (spotlights or led lights).
It's not a rare effect, it's a fundamental effect that the factories didn't bother to replicate after 11 years.
I'll tag puretime again just to be sure that they see it, since i explained them how to reproduce it.
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mari115
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Example with a rep 6 digit crystal (this is supposed to be the best rep crystal available from the factories regarding black hole) ARF 116710:
When seen straight on, you can't see the halo effect, it's not noticeable, while in the gen there is a very crisp white border, in the rep there is only a very thin white line, but no distinct separation between crystal and cyclops
As soon as you tilt it the AR is almost non existent, you see many reflections, even if it should be crisp and deep black, you shouldn't see those weird lights in it:
Hopefully I was clear in my explanation puretime
When seen straight on, you can't see the halo effect, it's not noticeable, while in the gen there is a very crisp white border, in the rep there is only a very thin white line, but no distinct separation between crystal and cyclops
As soon as you tilt it the AR is almost non existent, you see many reflections, even if it should be crisp and deep black, you shouldn't see those weird lights in it:
Hopefully I was clear in my explanation puretime
mari115
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Some details:
GEN: Very clear when looked at straight, basically NO reflections, very pronounced HALO effect:
REP: kinda clear, but you can see some distortions in the DW and in the sides because of some weird light refraction. No HALO effect:
GEN: as soon as you tilt it you can see a deep black, different from the rest of the crystal, with only a couple of "spots" where the light is supposed to come from, this create a consistent difference in deep color between the crystal and the cyclops, with no distortion:
REP: The color remains the same both in the crystal and in the cyclops, the refraction of the light is way more pronounced here, you can see almost a "dull" triangle and a soft dispersion of light all over the cyclops that doesn't create a consistent difference in color between the crystal and the cyclops
GEN: Very clear when looked at straight, basically NO reflections, very pronounced HALO effect:
REP: kinda clear, but you can see some distortions in the DW and in the sides because of some weird light refraction. No HALO effect:
GEN: as soon as you tilt it you can see a deep black, different from the rest of the crystal, with only a couple of "spots" where the light is supposed to come from, this create a consistent difference in deep color between the crystal and the cyclops, with no distortion:
REP: The color remains the same both in the crystal and in the cyclops, the refraction of the light is way more pronounced here, you can see almost a "dull" triangle and a soft dispersion of light all over the cyclops that doesn't create a consistent difference in color between the crystal and the cyclops
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mari115
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Yep, but the difference is consistent under warm lights inside, and you can't really troubleshoot a refraction problem from a couple of badly taken pictures online, that was not my objective.
puretime said that they couldn't recreate the blackhole effect, and i showed them how to, now we are just waiting for their reply, even if i suspect it's not gonna arrive lol