The Battle Has Already Begun

[mari115]

YellowFin BTW thanks to you i realized that i got 2 of the pics mixed up lol, now it should be better

 

[stufuse]

Number 1 should be the crystal (black hole effect, halo effect, cyclops clarity, color of cyclops reflections)

it's still the most noticeable tell on the wrist.

Shape of cyclops too. Rep ones are always wrong in some way.


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[mari115]

Shape of cyclops too. Rep ones are always wrong in some way.


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Yep, i just posted some close up pics of black holes, let's see what Puretime says about it

 

[stufuse]

When comparing hands you need to capture the curvature (3D effect) rep hands always used to be flat stamped. Then size and shape of the cut outs for where the lume sits.

 

[p0pperini]

Be in no doubt that Angus will be passing all this invaluable wisdom on to ARF. Who in turn will get their R&D department working on the perfect cyclops, in a bid to make it totally indistinguishable from the gen. The glass composition, the adhesive properties, the shape, the precise hue and characteristics of the AR coating, the minutia of how the light refracts through it... It's going to be great!

I look forward to seeing the ARF 126610 v1 some time in 2026, priced at around £8,700.

 

[mari115]

Be in no doubt that Angus will be passing all this invaluable wisdom on to ARF. Who in turn will get their R&D department working on the perfect cyclops, in a bid to make it totally indistinguishable from the gen. The glass composition, the adhesive properties, the shape, the precise hue and characteristics of the AR coating, the minutia of how the light refracts through it... It's going to be great!

I look forward to seeing the ARF 126610 v1 some time in 2026, priced at around £8,700.

Love it lmao.

I'll tell you what will happen instead, this whole thing will get swept under a rug, and in 2026 we will have 1200$ reps with minor if any at all improvements compared to the present moment.

But worry not! in 2027 they will announce that the new reps will be built with an innovative 904L"SSS" alloy that will make them perfectly genlike, just for 1400$ ahahahahahah

 

[kk169]

1. Case (lugs, rehaut, CG, engravings between lugs, what else?)
2. Bezel (color, font, platinum plating quality, pearl, feel of the bezelaction/-rotation, what else?)
3. Dial (printing, markers, lume, what else?)
4. Hands (what should I look for when comparing hands?)
5. Bracelet (build, brushing, SEL, engravings, clasp, what else?)
6, Movement (DW, PR, decoration, what else?)
7. General (SEL fitment, crystal sitting, gen feel, what else?)
8. Crystal (cyclops, ar, what else?)
9. Anything I missed?

Looking forward to this! I was so close to either getting the ZF or RXF (two extreme of the spectrum I know) but would want to see the comparison also with ZZF and ARF to avoid buyer remorse!
Do you know when ARF is coming? And any factory may do a 116619 with the current generation?

 

[muiramas]

Should be remembered that Puretime aren't making these things, and if they are not perfect, which lets face it, they wont be, its not their fault.

When you brief a Chinese factory - and they say 'they understand' it means one of three things:

1 they understand
2 they don't understand
3 fuck you

Anyone who has overseen product made in china will know this.

And I say this as a Sinophile who used to travel there for work regularly.

 

[mari115]

Should be remembered that Puretime aren't making these things, and if they are not perfect, which lets face it, they wont be, its not their fault.

When you brief a Chinese factory - and they say 'they understand' it means one of three things:

1 they understand
2 they don't understand
3 fuck you

Anyone who has overseen product made in china will know this.

And I say this as a Sinophile who used to travel there for work regularly.

Lol i suspect that number 3 is what they most likely replied with. They can't be bothered to make tangible improvements uh?

It's obviously known that Puretime doesn't make the watches, but at the same time they said they buy 30% of ARF's production, so they should have some kind of buying power.

I wonder what has been discussed when they met, since we got no feedback about it.

They must have received a big "F U" after asking about it. If they asked about it of course lmao

 

[kennygconspiracy]

Love it lmao.

I'll tell you what will happen instead, this whole thing will get swept under a rug, and in 2026 we will have 1200$ reps with minor if any at all improvements compared to the present moment.

But worry not! in 2027 they will announce that the new reps will be built with an innovative 904L"SSS" alloy that will make them perfectly genlike, just for 1400$ ahahahahahah

!Remindme_6_years

I shit you not the 904L SSS tier will be a thing lmfao

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[mari115]

!Remindme_6_years

I shit you not the 904L SSS tier will be a thing lmfao

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AHAHAHAH


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[houss1981]

puretime while meeting with ARF could you discuss also the possibility to work together on 16610 sub, an edition finale where they fix all the flaws once for all....... it's a shame after all these years they havent mastered this model yet.

 

[mari115]

puretime while meeting with ARF could you discuss also the possibility to work together on 16610 sub, an edition finale where they fix all the flaws once for all....... it's a shame after all these years they havent mastered this model yet.

lol the 16610 ARF is worse than the 16610 JF, and the second one was released years ago.

But worry not, the ARF one costs 100$ more than the JF because it's made of the magical 904L steel :lol3::lol3::lol3:

 

[SHB]

puretime while meeting with ARF could you discuss also the possibility to work together on 16610 sub, an edition finale where they fix all the flaws once for all....... it's a shame after all these years they havent mastered this model yet.

I follow that as well, more interested in a perfect 16610lv than something else.
16710 would be cool as well.

 

[sgt.njoy]

I follow that as well, more interested in a perfect 16610lv than something else.
16710 would be cool as well.

+2 for me!

 

[mari115]

An alternative to the trash 16710 BP would be amazing, imagine if ARF or ZZF or Noob made a nice 16710, on the same quality level of the old JF, and mounting a VR3186. It would really be a breakthrough!

 

[drohalloran]

I would kill for a ARF or even VSF 16710. It's strange to me that it's such an overlooked rep.

 

[mari115]

I would kill for a ARF or even VSF 16710. It's strange to me that it's such an overlooked rep.

yeah, i don't understand why, since the gen counterpart is incredibly sought after piece, and goes for 10k+ full set.

They only seem to want to go for the easy and sure profit (ex. 116610 etc...) not wanting to invest in something "new"

 

[FrankenLover]

Hope ZZ factory will go crazy here, their 114060/116610’s are great!
Hopefully they will stop producing liquid dials though


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[JonasBuskas]

Thanks and list updated

1. Case (lugs, rehaut, CG, engravings between lugs, what else?)
2. Bezel (color, font, platinum plating quality, pearl, feel of the bezelaction/-rotation, what else?)
3. Dial (printing, markers, lume, what else?)
4. Hands (what should I look for when comparing hands?)
5. Bracelet (rounded edges, build, brushing, SEL, engravings, clasp, what else?)
6, Movement (DW, PR, decoration, what else?)
7. General (SEL fitment, crystal sitting, gen feel, what else?)
8. Crystal (cyclops, ar, what else?)
9. Anything I missed?

puretime you will compare again gen and how many over factory watch? will you neutralize factory names?