PAM 382 Bronzo - QC Pics allowed Thread

[PAM1983]

Well it looks like this one could be the one.

The 15 is ever so slightly askew but I can live with that if the crown isn't sticking out too much ...I've asked for a better picture showing the crown.

Can someone ( hint hint ...Pure b ) confirm that is indeed a seagull ?

I have read here that a crown not seated closely enough to the body CAN mean that watch may not be water-proof ... is that correct ?

This watch looks great imo. I would accept it. clean it up with ketchup and let the patina process start over again.

 

[voxx]

Wow that was fast ...thank you.

How can you tell aside from the very first set of pics the movement was upside down to this one or is that the only indication ?

What about the crown/waterproof thing ? Aside from not being aesthetically pleasing does it really effect the water-tightness of the watch ?

I want to be able to go swimming with it during my yearly trek to the Marianas Trench .. :kiss:

 

[pcardoza]

Grab it. No need to touch the patina. Take it in the ocean and let nature take it's course..........

 

[PAM1983]

Wow that was fast ...thank you.

How can you tell aside from the very first set of pics the movement was upside down to this one or is that the only indication ?

What about the crown/waterproof thing ? Aside from not being aesthetically pleasing does it really effect the water-tightness of the watch ?

I want to be able to go swimming with it during my yearly trek to the Marianas Trench .. :kiss:

So the skinny crown is not wide enough for the rubber seal on the inside to seat tight enough on the hex screw on the case. Thus making the "integrity" of a seal not 100%. One other way you can tell of it is not tight is the crown guard lever not snapping shut. If it just falls into place with zero resistance then you will have issues on water integrity.

The incabloc on the movement on top with the top of crown guard lever is a 7750 and the incabloc diagonal to the crown lever is a Seagull.


Cheers


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[pure b]

These pieces don't have Incablocks

The balnce wheel is at 6 with Seagull and at 11 with 7750

 

[voxx]

So the skinny crown is not wide enough for the rubber seal on the inside to seat tight enough on the hex screw on the case. Thus making the "integrity" of a seal not 100%. One other way you can tell of it is not tight is the crown guard lever not snapping shut. If it just falls into place with zero resistance then you will have issues on water integrity.

The incabloc on the movement on top with the top of crown guard lever is a 7750 and the incabloc diagonal to the crown lever is a Seagull.


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I'm not sure yet if it's the skinny crown and I've asked for a better photo of it. What I mean is if the crown sits far away from the body and a bigger than normal part of the SS nut is visible, does that automatically mean that the watch's crown does not seat properly and would be prone to admitting water into the body ?

See post no.21 on the first page of this thread

 

[PAM1983]

I'm not sure yet if it's the skinny crown and I've asked for a better photo of it. What I mean is if the crown sits far away from the body and a bigger than normal part of the SS nut is visible, does that automatically mean that the watch's crown does not seat properly and would be prone to admitting water into the body ?

See post no.21 on the first page of this thread

Mechanical thinking here...yes. This was my concern when i purchased mine a few months ago. sure enough it didn't seat at all and it barely made contact with the silver nut. So i am going to say yes. Maybe Ale would like to chime in on this but i have taken apart my fair share of PAnerai watches and i have worn some gens and this is just an obvious thing.

 

[PAM1983]

These pieces don't have Incablocks

The balnce wheel is at 6 with Seagull and at 11 with 7750

Im sorry...yes the balance wheel is what i meant. long day at work and multitasking and getting on here don't mix...lol thanks man

 

[voxx]

I've been think and re-thinking this whole crown thing and I'm not sure I understand the water seal thing.

Is the seal made by a firm contact of the crown to the hex nut or is the seal made by contact of the crown and something BEYOND the hex nut that is not visible without the crown removed ?

 

[Raddave]

I've been think and re-thinking this whole crown thing and I'm not sure I understand the water seal thing.

Is the seal made by a firm contact of the crown to the hex nut or is the seal made by contact of the crown and something BEYOND the hex nut that is not visible without the crown removed ?

There is a flat rubber gasket in a recess on the underside of the crown which seals off against the hex nut, if im not mistaken

 

[voxx]

There is a flat rubber gasket in a recess on the underside of the crown which seals off against the hex nut, if im not mistaken

Hmmn ... so mechanically speaking, the hex nut is adjusted so that the lever exerts enough pressure against the hex nut regardless of how far it sticks out from the body to form a seal.

That makes sense. The hex nut protruding too far from the body is then only aesthetically unappealing and wouldn't/couldn't affect the water tight seal as long as the crown butts up firmly against the hex nut.

Any other members care to give their opinions on this ?

Thank you.

 

[pure b]

Got my QC for my KW.

Looks like it has a thin crown and no chamfered edges on the CG.
Apart from that it's good enough

 

[PAM1983]

Got my QC for my KW.

Looks like it has a thin crown and no chamfered edges on the CG.
Apart from that it's good enough

don't wear it under water. That crown wont shut all the way tight.

 

[pure b]

I rejected it.
Never saw a batch with this many flaws.

Told my TD he can get me a ZF if all KW are like this

 

[voxx]

I got the better pictures of the CG and pulled the trigger on the watch. The angle of the picture isn't the best to see the gap between crown and body but close enough to see there isn't a huge gap.

The crown doesn't look to be the skinny one turning up lately unless I'm mistaken.

 

[voxx]

I pressed Toro further about whether the watch was waterproof and whether I could go swimming with it and his replay was:

"Without testing , we can not give warranty for water . From
factory they said they passed 3AT"

"i think better don't go swimming with this watch , because for
the leather strap once with water it will be broken very fast"

In a further letter I mentioned that some members here had gone swimming with theirs and that if the seals were greased (to be sure) there were no problems he again stated :

"3ATM is the answer we had from factory , but we can not give any warranty for that . To
be safe better don't swimming with it . But for normal washing that is
no problem "


I expected that type of answer as he is covering his liability even if they are safe for swimming. I think I will start another thread on the subject and get some views from members who have taken the plunge with their 382s'.

 

[voxx]

I rejected it.
Never saw a batch with this many flaws.

Told my TD he can get me a ZF if all KW are like this

Good call IMO .
The picture angle is not the best to see the bezel numbers but the 15 and 30 look askew slightly and the crown is waaay out there. I think one number askew is acceptable but 2 definitely not and the crown is the deal beaker already.

 

[Pj788]

Is it fair to say there is no consensus as far as which version is better the Kw vs ZF?

Also, is the only difference with the Lite version the movement?

 

[d4m.test]

Is it fair to say there is no consensus as far as which version is better the Kw vs ZF?

Also, is the only difference with the Lite version the movement?

KW is better. It is confirmed to be made from real bronze and the dial, hands and cannon pinion are also much better.

ZF metal seems to be a lower quality with major inconsistencies batch to batch. The bezel edge might be a bit better, but the pips are too low and the knurling is not as good.

Go with the KW

Hmmn ... so mechanically speaking, the hex nut is adjusted so that the lever exerts enough pressure against the hex nut regardless of how far it sticks out from the body to form a seal.

That makes sense. The hex nut protruding too far from the body is then only aesthetically unappealing and wouldn't/couldn't affect the water tight seal as long as the crown butts up firmly against the hex nut.

Any other members care to give their opinions on this ?

Thank you.

this "thin crown" and "crown sticking out" phenomena are a combination of a few things.

The thin crown seems to be magnified by angles and lighting conditions. I want to see one in person and take a pair of calipers to them to find out for sure. If anyone has a "thin crown" please pull it and take some measurements.

The crown sticking out thing is also magnified by slight angle differences between pictures, but at the same time this is easily adjusted by a combination of shortening the stem and tightening the hex tube. I am willing to bet that despite the appearance of "sticking out" they are really making nice contact with the hex tube. And therefore is mostly likely water tight enough for swimming.

Also, Toro does not water resistance test his watches so 100% of the time he will tell you not to swim with them because he doesn't want returns.

I swim with my watches, both gen and rep all the time and never had a leaking issue. Today's cases are very sound.

 

[voxx]

I swim with my watches, both gen and rep all the time and never had a leaking issue. Today's cases are very sound

Specifically a Pam 382 ?
Have you done anything to them before hand such as greasing the seals etc or are they straight out of the box?