New Ebay 1:1 16710 Case Review

[KJ2020]

I might also suggest pressing it on without the click spring. This way you can see if your bezel and retaining ring from two different suppliers are compatible. If it still won’t turn, try without the washer.

If it works, then try with the spring.

This is good advice.

@Michaelarena89 If your parts fits aren't perfect, don't despair. I had to sand several WSO bezel bottom inside perimeters for them to fit their own WSO retaining rings.

Also the bezel tension spring (large washer) is easily thinned or its inner or outer diameters modded.

 

[Ilovwatchesto]

I always enjoy thses close up comparisons. Appreciate you taking the time. I could never simply cause my photography skills are horrible.

 

[miami_YG]

Found this thread and separately learned how VS3135 takes gen balance now... IMO we are in a whole new era game / Franken modding!

Grabbed these parts over the course of a week: eBay case direct via email (hand sanded / polished), dial + hands + date wheel + crown + bezel on ebay, Clarks crystal and various parts. Finally, got VS3135 serviced with many gen parts (3185 gmt parts and bridge), including gen balance and bridge! Running about +1/day.

This thing is looking and feeling gen for less than half the cost. Wow. Nothing else to say except I might update grab a gen winding bridge and rotor in the future.

 

[APjumbo]

Attempted brushing the lugs a bit, swapped over to a coke bezel for fun. I had always considered myself an explorer person but am really loving this coke look.

 

[FaekieOne]

Damn the WSO GMT bezel quality is shit. Every freaking time it suprises me how shitty quality everything they sell are.

 

[dicat1010]

Mine has been just assembled! Should get it shortly.

 

[RDRoss]

Strange question for the group, has anyone tried to use one of these case sets for a two tone build? I am considering a root beer build but am hesitant due to the bezel fit. I have had rather mixed luck with gold bezels over the years and their fit.

 

[dicat1010]

Strange question for the group, has anyone tried to use one of these case sets for a two tone build? I am considering a root beer build but am hesitant due to the bezel fit. I have had rather mixed luck with gold bezels over the years and their fit.

I used the Startime bezel in my build. They offer an equivalent in gold but it ain't cheap: https://www.startimesupply.com/merc...3&offset=&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=

 

[RDRoss]

I used the Startime bezel in my build. They offer an equivalent in gold but it ain't cheap: https://www.startimesupply.com/merc...3&offset=&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=

I was indeed thinking about using one of these but have had mixed results with quality and fit. How did your build go?

 

[KJ2020]

Strange question for the group, has anyone tried to use one of these case sets for a two tone build? I am considering a root beer build but am hesitant due to the bezel fit. I have had rather mixed luck with gold bezels over the years and their fit.

I am building a black dial 16713.

See post #101

New Ebay 1:1 16710 Case Review

Update concerning SEL We've all experienced SEL issues and many of us have tried some various techniques to improve a look. I'd like to share a few things I learned over the years that might help others improve their look. I'm making a 16713 with my case and finally have all the parts now but...

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I had several four year old WSO SS bezels that fit a gen insert and the case better than the two ST SS bezels I recently bought. I spent a lot of time shaving the ST bezel inner perimeter to fit the gen insert before realizing I had a better choice on hand. I had to take one WSO bezel out of use on another rep.

@Oascom plated my WSO bezel in 18K YG and it looks fabulous.

ST bezel fun (not)

ST on top of gen

 

[APjumbo]

Somewhere in my reading I had thought lawlessflyer or someone compared the two a it looked as though the WSO 18K bezel was a better choice. It may have been the inner teeth not being precise on the ST one.

But that on the SS version the ST was the way to go. A few complaints about the SS WSO bezel lately.

 

[RDRoss]

Many thanks @KJ2020 and @APjumbo ! Off to wso to find me a bezel.

 

[KJ2020]

Many thanks @KJ2020 and @APjumbo ! Off to wso to find me a bezel.

See post #145 above. Like most aftermarket parts, these bezels likely come from China and can be different between batches. My WSO bezels from 4 years being better than ST from 4 months ago is not a recommendation for the current WSO batch.

 

[APjumbo]

That’s what I have noticed too
Some posts say WSO is junk, some random posts say the ST ones arn’t great.
It must be to do with how worn out the tooling is to make them.
They probably progressively get worse until they replace the mold or die.
Which I assume is also why the SS ones and 18K ones are not in sync, each can be better than the other depending on the batch.

And that it’s also best to buy a matching crystal retaining ring from the same manufacturer.

I’ll probably be ordering the WSO 18K bezel and ring from E watchparts in a week or two.

Interesting read, a bit old, I wonder if it still applies.

Rolex Sub ST 18k Bezel and WSO 18k bezel side by side

Hi guys, I'm working on two Franken builds and had the chance to do a quick side by side of the 18k ST bezel and 18k WSO bezel. Weight: ST 5.6 grams +/- WSO 5.3 grams +/- The genuine insert does not snap into the ST bezel, I'm assuming that it would need to be lightly sanded to fit. On the...

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[vince23]

does anyone have a tip where to get a good condition 16710 dial?

The prices are kinda crazy right now on ebay etc. - I don't want to pay 800€ for a very bad condition dial..

 

[APjumbo]

@vince23
I was looking at TswissT and eBay.
First class dials has their own site outside eBay. Almost went with them but someone here responded to my WTB.
Seems like the M2M here is usually the best price.
Vintage Rolex forum or regular rolex forum doesn’t seem like the cheapest route either in a lot of cases.

 

[vince23]

does anyone have a tip where to get a good condition 16710 dial?

The prices are kinda crazy right now on ebay etc. - I don't want to pay 800€ for a very bad condition dial..

 

[dicat1010]

It's complete! 16710 on a super jubilee.

 

[alligoat]

maybe you buy a 16710 from BP

ROLGMT0238A - GMT II 16710 Blk SS/SS Blk BPF A3186 CHS [ROLGMT0238A] - $328.00 : Trusty Time Watch, Your Trusty Watch Shop

Trusty Time Watch ROLGMT0238A - GMT II 16710 Blk SS/SS Blk BPF A3186 CHS [ROLGMT0238A] - BPF Factory Rolex GMT 16710 with Asia 3186 Hour Hand Adjustable Correct Hand Stack Movement MOVEMENT: Asia Clone 3186 Automatic GMT movement with decorated bridges & rotor with correct hand stack (Hour Hand...

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does anyone have a tip where to get a good condition 16710 dial?

The prices are kinda crazy right now on ebay etc. - I don't want to pay 800€ for a very bad condition dial..

And use the dial, and maybe a few other parts

 

[KJ2020]

A note on using gen hands with a VR3186:

The gen hour hand clearance to the dial is extremely short. I was able to fit it with a little angle up toward the hand tip but wasn't really happy with it. Then when I pressed the GMT hand on it pushed the hour hand down onto the dial. Ouch.

So I was able to get the GMT hand off by itself but had to put some wax paper under the hour hand and use the dial to lift the hour hand enough to use my levers.

This may not happen in every install but there are other reports of it and if not paying attention it can quickly damage a dial.

An example (source unknown)

So I came up with a fix by using an ETA GMT hand hole surround as a spacer on the hour hand wheel.

The fit was perfect, 2.0mm. The hole surround needs to be sanded down on top and bottom to make the spacer. It's not hard to do, you just have to adjust height incrementally to give the hand a little boost but leave it enough vertical room to grip the post.

I made a few of these and the ring I ended up using (shown above) was bigger in diameter than the dial center hole. After I put the movement in the case, apparently the dial contacted the spacer and was affecting the hand post movement, occasionally slowing it down.

The fix was to reduce the diameter of the spacer to smaller than the dial center hole.

Junk dial

Heads up to use extra care with the hour hand, especially if it's a gen hand!

Undoubtedly some suitable 2.0mm hole washers can be found online. Thin, foil type ones can be stacked, etc. I like to just make stuff if I have a usable material.