Mods to PP 5712 PPF V2

[chewy824]

Just noticed a very informative video about potential mods to PPF 5712. Essentially, the dials of gens, V1, V2 and aftermarket are compared. The presenter mentioned that he believes the dial of V2 is more accurate than V1. He believes that the color of an unidentified aftermarket dial is betrer, but the printed letters are worse than V2.

【PPF5712改装终极建议，一个视频让你彻底了解5712-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/iPTz2JY

 

[grillbrill]

If you’ve done this moon phase disc’s mod so many times as you’re claiming (without documenting it with pics as a serious and “real certified” modder like you should have done), you should know that this PPF 5712 stock dial doesn’t have feet as it’s floating on top of the movement… any modders who really dissembled it can confirm

Interesting, thanks. Is your statement valid for both PPF v1 and v2 dials? I'm not a watchmaker, just curious. Without feet how is the dial fixed on the movement? With double sided adhesive tape?

 

[Procurator]

Yep, its tacked in place. 5711 had 3 places in a sort of triangle, I imagine 5712 would be similar.
I even remember in 1 thread of a 5712 build (a while ago, if I find it, Ill link it) that gen dial feet had to be cut off.

 

[patekdreams]

If you’ve done this moon phase disc’s mod so many times as you’re claiming (without documenting it with pics as a serious and “real certified” modder like you should have done), you should know that this PPF 5712 stock dial doesn’t have feet as it’s floating on top of the movement… any modders who really dissembled it can confirm

These are in fact dial feet. They prevent the dial from moving around. Unlike what you claim, the dial doesn't just "float" around.

And yes, dial feets don't have to be attached to the dial itself. As long as it prevents the dial from moving its considered a dial feet.

If you want free watchmaking lessons, please go to your closest watchmaking school.

 

[grillbrill]

Just noticed a very informative video about potential mods to PPF 5712. Essentially, the dials of gens, V1, V2 and aftermarket are compared. The presenter mentioned that he believes the dial of V2 is more accurate than V1. He believes that the color of an unidentified aftermarket dial is betrer, but the printed letters are worse than V2.

【PPF5712改装终极建议，一个视频让你彻底了解5712-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/iPTz2JY

Thank you. Can you please identify the watches and the dials in the video? Which is which? I have guesses but I'd appreciate your confirmation.

 

[Procurator]

These are in fact dial feet. They prevent the dial from moving around. Unlike what you claim, the dial doesn't just "float" around.

And yes, dial feets don't have to be attached to the dial itself. As long as it prevents the dial from moving its considered a dial feet.

If you want free watchmaking lessons, please go to your closest watchmaking school.

These, in fact, arent dial feet.
That is a plate, not a dial. Dial feet are, in fact, on the dial, not on the mainplate.

Come on now.

 

[patekdreams]

These, in fact, arent dial feet.
That is a plate, not a dial. Dial feet are, in fact, on the dial, not on the mainplate.

Come on now.

You're right this is the module on top of the main plate.

But these are considered dial feets. Look at the 5712 dial, there holes between the 2 and 3 o'clock position and between the 6 and 7 position.

These two stems come out from the plate into the holes on the dial, to fix the dial position. Hence, these are considered dial feets.

 

[Procurator]

You're right this is the module on top of the main plate.

But these are considered dial feets. Look at the 5712 dial, there holes between the 2 and 3 o'clock position and between the 6 and 7 position.

These two stems come out from the plate into the holes on the dial, to fix the dial position. Hence, these are considered dial feets.

Yes, these are sort of supporting pins, but you cannot refer to them as dial feet. That is a very specific thing, which looks like this:


Those are dial feet. Just 2. But I understand what you meant.

 

[patekdreams]

These, in fact, arent dial feet.
That is a plate, not a dial. Dial feet are, in fact, on the dial, not on the mainplate.

Come on now.

Here is a write up that you could take a look through.

Pocketwatch 101 - How Pocketwatch Dials are Attached to the Watch Movement

Pocketwatch 101: Pocket Watch Dials. Describes how dials are attached to the watch.

www.pocketwatchrepair.com

Typically, dial feets are on dials hence the name. the posts on the dial feet go into corresponding holes on the main plate.

However, in the case of the 5712 this is reversed. The dial has holes between the 2 and 3 o'clock position and the 6 and 7 o'clock position, with corresponding posts protruding from the plate.

Hence, these posts on the plates can be considered dial feets.

 

[patekdreams]

Yes, these are sort of supporting pins, but you cannot refer to them as dial feet. That is a very specific thing, which looks like this:


Those are dial feet. Just 2. But I understand what you meant.

Well, in the reps these dial feets aren't present, so these posts/pins are the best representation for dial feet.

 

[Procurator]

Well, in the reps these dial feets aren't present, so these posts/pins are the best representation for dial feet.

Im not entirely sure, that the clone movement has the pins protruding from the plates as gen does, I only owned a gen 5712, not a rep one.
To your knowledge, does the clone follow the same architecture, including the pins?

 

[SHB]

I would love to see how to place the gen moon disc on v2 if you could take some time to show us how to realize this task @patekdreams
Thanks

 

[patekdreams]

Im not entirely sure, that the clone movement has the pins protruding from the plates as gen does, I only owned a gen 5712, not a rep one.
To your knowledge, does the clone follow the same architecture, including the pins?

Potato quality image, but this is the ppf v2. These pins are present. Hence the modder should have realized that the dial was not sitting on the pins flush, therefore there is a problem with the height of the components within.

 

[Procurator]

Potato quality image, but this is the ppf v2. These pins are present. Hence the modder should have realized that the dial was not sitting on the pins flush, therefore there is a problem with the height of the components within.

Looks like a screenshot from a video, but ok. The gen dial actually has 3 holes for the pins, theres one between 10-11 as well, which I dont see on the clone movement, but theres overexposed parts, so idk.

So what youre saying is, that the PPF v2 dial does not have the holes, but movemet has the pins, therefore the reasons the moondisc appears to sit lower is, that in fact the dial sits up higher?

If you manage to dig up the moonphase mod you did, Id love to see a few pics of the process.

 

[patekdreams]

Looks like a screenshot from a video, but ok. The gen dial actually has 3 holes for the pins, theres one between 10-11 as well, which I dont see on the clone movement, but theres overexposed parts, so idk.

So what youre saying is, that the PPF v2 dial does not have the holes, but movemet has the pins, therefore the reasons the moondisc appears to sit lower is, that in fact the dial sits up higher?

If you manage to dig up the moonphase mod you did, Id love to see a few pics of the process.

I'm waiting on a shipment from one of my clients. He's sending me his ppf v2. I've procured gen parts for him to try and complete a "ultimate franken" Gen dial and moon phase as well as donor parts to create a free sprung balance.

The project will also include transplanting the ppf v2 balance staff into a free sprung 240 balance wheel to ensure that it works with the rep pallet fork.

But i can sense that I'm not welcomed on this forum so this will be my last post.

Adios!

 

[Procurator]

I'm waiting on a shipment from one of my clients. He's sending me his ppf v2. I've procured gen parts for him to try and complete a "ultimate franken" Gen dial and moon phase as well as donor parts to create a free sprung balance.

The project will also include transplanting the ppf v2 balance staff into a free sprung 240 balance wheel to ensure that it works with the rep pallet fork.

But i can sense that I'm not welcomed on this forum so this will be my last post.

Adios!

Not sure what makes you think that, im genuinely interested.
I was going to suggest you start a thread for this project, because there is really not enough content on the 5712 on RWI and Id like to see it grow.

Also, Im thinking about a very similar franken 5712 for about 2 years now, so if you are able to do it and are able to even source gen parts, Id say start your own section.

 

[patekdreams]

Not sure what makes you think that, im genuinely interested.
I was going to suggest you start a thread for this project, because there is really not enough content on the 5712 on RWI and Id like to see it grow.

Also, Im thinking about a very similar franken 5712 for about 2 years now, so if you are able to do it and are able to even source gen parts, Id say start your own section.

I'm very familiar with that project. The one with the PF donor case. I honestly think with the ppf v2 available, what I'm building will surpass that project.

With regards to the comments on feeling unwelcomed, I'm referring to passive aggressive comments made by @tinitonsi @jm_brc_7057

I stand by my comments that what happened to the moon phase was completely because of watchmaker error. The extent of scratching on the moon phase indicates that the watchmaker attempted to test the moon phase function more than once, even though he should have realized that the moon phase was pushing against the dial on the first push.

Also I think its completely moronic that "trusted/established" watch modders on this forum are so worshipped and blindly followed.

If anyone has any questions regarding 5712 mods feel free to message me privately. Unfortunately, I'm not willing to divulge this information to certain individuals on this forum.

 

[j21]

I'm waiting on a shipment from one of my clients. He's sending me his ppf v2. I've procured gen parts for him to try and complete a "ultimate franken" Gen dial and moon phase as well as donor parts to create a free sprung balance.

The project will also include transplanting the ppf v2 balance staff into a free sprung 240 balance wheel to ensure that it works with the rep pallet fork.

But i can sense that I'm not welcomed on this forum so this will be my last post.

Adios!

No need mate

Please continue sharing info and participating(if you want ofcourse)

I personally find your posts very interesting and useful

If you can also start a thread sharing your new 5712 project would be awsome

 

[jm_brc_7057]

I'm very familiar with that project. The one with the PF donor case. I honestly think with the ppf v2 available, what I'm building will surpass that project.

With regards to the comments on feeling unwelcomed, I'm referring to passive aggressive comments made by @tinitonsi @jm_brc_7057

I stand by my comments that what happened to the moon phase was completely because of watchmaker error. The extent of scratching on the moon phase indicates that the watchmaker attempted to test the moon phase function more than once, even though he should have realized that the moon phase was pushing against the dial on the first push.

Also I think its completely moronic that "trusted/established" watch modders on this forum are so worshipped and blindly followed.

If anyone has any questions regarding 5712 mods feel free to message me privately. Unfortunately, I'm not willing to divulge this information to certain individuals on this forum.

You don’t know when to stop do you?

You’ve made claims that you’ve done several of these procedures. It shows you are going to do it for a client.

It’s good to have thoughts of how to do things but put them into practice is another thing. When you learn how to do it you are welcome to share it to others on the forum.
But attempting to insult other members and bashing the works of Trusted modders of RWI on this basis, well, what can I say.

They’ve earned their stripes. When you are a trusted modder you are welcome to do so.

 

[Procurator]

I'm very familiar with that project. The one with the PF donor case. I honestly think with the ppf v2 available, what I'm building will surpass that project.

With regards to the comments on feeling unwelcomed, I'm referring to passive aggressive comments made by @tinitonsi @jm_brc_7057

I stand by my comments that what happened to the moon phase was completely because of watchmaker error. The extent of scratching on the moon phase indicates that the watchmaker attempted to test the moon phase function more than once, even though he should have realized that the moon phase was pushing against the dial on the first push.

Also I think its completely moronic that "trusted/established" watch modders on this forum are so worshipped and blindly followed.

If anyone has any questions regarding 5712 mods feel free to message me privately. Unfortunately, I'm not willing to divulge this information to certain individuals on this forum.

Then by all means, create a thread for the build, Im sure I wont be alone in my interest.

I do not pass judgements, as I am not a watchmaker, but as I stated before, i have my doubts about the story, plus logic sugests what you wrote.

The trusted and established watchmakers and modders, as well as trusted dealers and supporting vendors, are people of a long standing good stature, that had proven themselfs over time, so naturally they have a following and are trusted to do their job or deliver products.

Again, I do not pass judgments on what others believe or want to believe, I follow my own reasoning and I question everything and everyone. Respect is earned, not bought or guarranteed.

In regards to the negative comments - you did come off a bit arrogant in your first posts, so that may be why, but for me I see you are a reasonable, intelligent guy, that clearly knows what hes talking about, so no need to dwell on the people that do not agree with you, or like you. You cant please everyone and if you come to an online forum expecting everyone liking you, you will be dissapointed.

I do think you should start some threads for your past and current project, if time and gusto allows. I’d welcome your input.