That’s unfortunate, I was really hoping this would work out, now we will have to wait for buff or sw to release a usable moon disk!!!! WARNING !!!!
Hello everyone. I want to issue a warning regarding my previous statements in the general 5712 PPF V2 thread, that the gen moon disk can be mounted on to the clone movement. I withdraw those comments.
As it turns out. My modder/watchmaker had no issues separating the gen disk from it's gear and mounting it onto the rep disks gear, after separating that. The problems arised when he closed the watch. The thicker genuine disc got scratched and this is the result:
He explained this to me:
"i took off the replica disc from the replica gear which was glued on, then i took off the original disc from the original gear which was also glued on, so far so good, so i found out that the original disc is nothing more than a transparent plastic disc with the moon phase printed underneath, slightly thicker than the Chinese one mounted in the replica, with the mechanics bare on the counter everything worked great, once the case was put in and tightened, the dial pressed on the phase disk lunar (slightly thicker than the replica one) and rotating underneath it ruined the finish of the original disc, not completely but significantly."
This is just to let people know, that the genuine disk is far from a 1-to-1 mount onto the replica movement. So please be careful. I hope my previous comments didn't do any harm. I was in good faith. And didn't have this information before today.
NB! I won't disclose the modder. Don't even ask!
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Mods to PP 5712 PPF V2
- Thread starter jm_brc_7057
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A non TD one of the buff agents is doing for me
SW dial is out but the buff dial isn’t out yet. My friend watch with a modded SW dial shown below
Thanks for the picture buddy. It has a lot of this "purple hue" people are talking about in the stock ppf v2 dial. So it doesn't look better to be honest. I also saw a picture of the SW dial compared to the gen. It doesn't look very good. And it's not at all like the PPF V1 dial, which all of us like a lot.
In my personal opinion - regarding your SW vs Buff dial dilemmea - it's probably better to wait for the buff dial. Buff are able to give the dials that green tint, like they did in one of their 5711 dials.
Exactly mate. I'm gutted. I'd been looking forward to getting it back with the gen moon disk. But instead i lost the disk which cost me 899 USD.
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Wetsand with high grid paper, should work out ok, will thin it in the process, both issues solved.
My question is however this:
V2 discs sit much lower than gen. How come it scratched, even if its a fraction of a mm thicker? Im not so sure on your modders story tbh, but ofc I dont have the full picture, so take this as a concerned thought, rather than criticism of anyone.
To the mods you listed - For sure midcase reshape, whole case refinish, full movement service, maybe a crown mod (still not gen-like on v2) and bezel beveling.
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Wetsand with high grid paper, should work out ok, will thin it in the process, both issues solved.
My question is however this:
V2 discs sit much lower than gen. How come it scratched, even if its a fraction of a mm thicker? Im not so sure on your modders story tbh, but ofc I dont have the full picture, so take this as a concerned thought, rather than criticism of anyone.
To the mods you listed - For sure midcase reshape, whole case refinish, full movement service, maybe a crown mod (still not gen-like on v2) and bezel beveling.
I've done the mod for a few clients. I can comfortably say that his modder either scratched the moon phase accidentally or he's simply not trained. The gen moon phase is a good fit for the ppf v2.
Moral of the story, find yourself a trained modder.
The proper way that this mod should have been done is, using the combination of Gen disc and gen gear, not gen disc and rep gear. The extra thickness is from the rep gear which is a better fit for the movement, but you need to use the gen gear to ensure that the thickness is the same as before.
The modder should have used a micrometer to measure the thickness of each combination/part and taken note of it. This would have avoided the scratches all together.
I'm sorry that this happened but this is the watchmaker's error entirely.
Trained modder? The man is a watchmaker by profession .
Do you have pictures of how you did it? Sorry for not believing your story, but who should I believe. A watchmaker who is trusted modder on rwi or a new member.
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This is not possible. If you had done this mod you would know this.
He tried this. The gear of the gen disk doesn’t fit the clone movement.
I’m confused. Last time you said you did this mod by placing the gen disk onto the rep gear as quoted above. And now you are saying the opposite:
Which one is it? You have no idea what you are taking about, do you?
The 25th December you said you’ve done the mod for ‘one of your clients’ and now you’ve done it for several. You don’t get much rest from exchanging moon disk to gens on 5712s, do you?
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Sure, flag me.
The moonphase module is made up of 3 components. the gold base disk/gear that interacts with the date mechanism, a middle metal gear that rotates the plastic moon phase disk, and the plastic moon phase disk itself. The metal disk and the moon phase disk is attached not by an adhesive but not glue. The gold disk that holds it all together does not have glue whatsoever.
You're the one who has no idea what they're talking about. I'm trying to tell you that the moon phase module's thickness needs to be assessed by an micrometer before installing to prevent it from scratching against the dial base. If you can find one watchmaker on this forum that disagrees with me, I'll delete my account voluntarily.
But alas, you're just a sad pathetic man who knows nothing about watchmaking and will believe everything your modder tells you. Even others on this thread have raised doubts about your modder's claims. Keep defending him though, you deserved to have your moon phase scratched.
Oh please... watchmaker by profession?
Anyone can make this claim. Does he have a CW21? SAWTA? WOSTEP? Any professional watchmaking certifications whatsoever?
Any idiot can say they're a watchmaker.
I have a hard time believing that a "professional" watchmaker would not assess individual component thickness with a micrometer before installing the dial. Especially with a vulnerable part like a moon phase disc prone to scratches.
Furthermore, he should have realized that there was a problem with the thickness when the dial foots are unable to snap into place smoothly. At that particular moment had he removed the dial to assess whether there is a thickness issue, the moon phase disc wouldn't have been scratched.
But yes, I'm the bad guy, the bad guy with a SAWTA certification who knows nothing about watchmaking.
I suggest this discussion ought to be kept in a friendly and civilized manner.
No need to flag or insult each other, gentlemen.
@patekdreams While I have my doubts about the story (I dont particularly believe it, to be completely frank) and I have my fair share of bad experiences with “trained watchmakers”, you do have to realize, you are new on the board and your credibility has not been yet established, so even if you may be very well correct, this tone of communication isnt the way to go about it and will only hurt your overall message.
Bury the hatchet and try to be helpful to each other, instead of this ego bullshit.
Edit: I see you modified your message, but my sentiment stands.
No need to flag or insult each other, gentlemen.
@patekdreams While I have my doubts about the story (I dont particularly believe it, to be completely frank) and I have my fair share of bad experiences with “trained watchmakers”, you do have to realize, you are new on the board and your credibility has not been yet established, so even if you may be very well correct, this tone of communication isnt the way to go about it and will only hurt your overall message.
Bury the hatchet and try to be helpful to each other, instead of this ego bullshit.
Edit: I see you modified your message, but my sentiment stands.
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My apologies, I got carried away. @jm_brc_7057 I'm sorry, my initial comments was only to point out that this could have been prevented with more caution. Sorry this happened to you, I hope your modder will be more cautious moving forward.
Buddy, I haven’t written any insult. Neither responded to insults. I wrote I’ll flag the comment (and deleted it afterwards), which I don’t think is an insult.
I just want anyone claiming they’ve done this procedure to back it up with pictures documenting how it was performed.
@patekdreams, would you be so kind as to summarize step by step how the rep moon phase disk should be replaced with the gen one?
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Really want to know this also thanks?
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If you’ve done this moon phase disc’s mod so many times as you’re claiming (without documenting it with pics as a serious and “real certified” modder like you should have done), you should know that this PPF 5712 stock dial doesn’t have feet as it’s floating on top of the movement… any modders who really dissembled it can confirm
