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Mods to PP 5712 PPF V2
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Saggiolus
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Hello everyone.
Inspired by the 5711 thread i wanted to start this thread regarding the newly released PPF 5712 V2 with the clone movement. This waiting time for this is almost as long as the gen!
I've listed some of the mods that could be interesting for this watch. Also i am thinking of doing many of these mods, so it could be interesting to get some feedback.
1. The most important imo must be the moon disk color. As it is an obvious flaw. Here's a gen moon disk vs the stock. And not only is the color wrong, but the print is also much crisper and with small silver grains, which are more uneven in the stock one. The moon disk can maybe be raised a bit. But unsure if that's possible.
2. Thickness. I don't know if the Patek website specifies the thickness to be 8.52mm with the crystal or without. Because if it's without, then the thickness is spot on, otherwise it could be an option to thin the case a bit.
PPF 5712 V2 without crystal:
Measurement with crystal:
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Personally i'm not sure if i will be thinning the case as it feels very thin on the wrist.
3. Another flaw is the sides on the lugs. The lugs on the gen are bevelled and polished, the PPF V2 are sharp.
4. The bracelet is smooth and nice, but could be polished and bevelled a bit more to make it even smoother.
5. A movement service could make it run more precise and prolong the life of the movement. It could be a possibility to polish the angles on the movement to make them nicer. But personally i wouldn't mod the movement esthetically.
6. Regarding the dial it could be nice to have a Buff dial instead of the stock PPF. Not because of the color, which is pretty gen like, but because it is a bit dull. It's not as lively as the gen dial. Also the markers are too angular, as the gen markers are slightly more rounded. But unfortunately no buff dial has been released so far.
Other mods?
Great post! I'm waiting for mine to come in. Meanwhile. Where did you buy the gen moon disk and what cost are we looking at for that part, if I may ask?
Saggiolus
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lucky guy. I'm sure I will want one as soon as it arrives! did it fit fine or it needed some mods?
FYIBezel analysis of the PPF 5712 V2 vs gen;
So there is a difference in the look of the bezel. The bezel is as deep as the gen, as can be seen below.
Gen to the left:
At angles they also appear to have similar thickness, gen above:
The difference seems to be the rounding of the chamfered edge:
The gen is more rounded. And that makes it look thinner at certain angles
Because it doesn't have a very visible edge between the two satinfinished parts.
A mod with more rounding of the satin finished part could do wonders for the bezel.
For a comparison, the rehaut of v1.
Don't know yet. He hasn't installed it yet. Will post it when we know if it fits. Fingers crossed!
Yes. It's the same as the V2. I don't know why the rehaut on the PPF's are deeper than gen. If it's because the dial sits lower or the bezel is less flat than gen?
Saggiolus
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it's very hard to see from photos like this. the lightning is so different. it could be a light effect, it could be a different inclination of the rehaut, it could be a combination of both.
The difference in the photos is too big to make sense. if both watches are less then 9mm thick, it really does not add up. why to have such a thick dial in the gen, or have it placed taller if they had "free space" to make the watch even thinner? Something does not add up I think.
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It’s certainly interesting to think about. It could be a machining limitation from PPF, an intentional flaw, or any number of things, but if the dial and movement are the same height as gen, that would mean the rehaut accounts for the difference in thickness.
It can be many things… Can also be the hand stack that needs the space for the rehaut. Fx the PP 5205G I had, I think it was from GRF. The rehaut was deeper than gen. The way the stacking of the hands was done in the rep, it needed a lot of height.
Difficult to say.
Difficult to say.
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BIONONE
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Clearance for the hand stack seems to be most likely.
What we discovered during the development of our 5711 date disks, is that the Chinese come up with more clearance for non critical parts like the distance between DW and dial or even the size of the numbers to account for bigger tolerances during printing without cutting the visible date by the date window etc.
Not to speak about the tolerances inside the movement for date clamps...
As we all know those movements or watches are not assembled under the same conditions like in Geneva.
For me this is a compromise I can live with as we are speaking about a fraction of a mm.
But well worth noticing when it comes to accuracy and potential upgrades, yes.
On a side note - I also suspected a difference in gaskets or even depth for the crystal cut out. Crystal thickness seems to be the same to the naked eye.
But looking at the Rolex game you can see what difference in appearance a different gasket can make for certain reps that are in the need for let's say a gen gasket.
Unless someone reverse-engineers this beauty we will be left in speculation I guess
Mine on modding in China now
My mods are
1) Buff or Sw dial( not yet decided)
2) Cannon pinnon modded with a cap
3) movable end links
4) Buff hands
5) refinishing of the watch
6) Engraving on the movement
The movement engraving will be similar to a 5711 movement I got engraved recently
My mods are
1) Buff or Sw dial( not yet decided)
2) Cannon pinnon modded with a cap
3) movable end links
4) Buff hands
5) refinishing of the watch
6) Engraving on the movement
The movement engraving will be similar to a 5711 movement I got engraved recently
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Nice buddy! Who is doing this for you? Do you know if the SW or Buff dial for the 5712 has been released?Mine on modding in China now
My mods are
1) Buff or Sw dial( not yet decided)
2) Cannon pinnon modded with a cap
3) movable end links
4) Buff hands
5) refinishing of the watch
6) Engraving on the movement
Cannon pinon mod as shown in the example below
The movement engraving will be similar to a 5711 movement I got engraved recently
!!!! WARNING !!!!
Hello everyone. I want to issue a warning regarding my previous statements in the general 5712 PPF V2 thread, that the gen moon disk can be mounted on to the clone movement. I withdraw those comments.
As it turns out. My modder/watchmaker had no issues separating the gen disk from it's gear and mounting it onto the rep disks gear, after separating that. The problems arised when he closed the watch. The thicker genuine disc got scratched and this is the result:
He explained this to me:
"i took off the replica disc from the replica gear which was glued on, then i took off the original disc from the original gear which was also glued on, so far so good, so i found out that the original disc is nothing more than a transparent plastic disc with the moon phase printed underneath, slightly thicker than the Chinese one mounted in the replica, with the mechanics bare on the counter everything worked great, once the case was put in and tightened, the dial pressed on the phase disk lunar (slightly thicker than the replica one) and rotating underneath it ruined the finish of the original disc, not completely but significantly."
This is just to let people know, that the genuine disk is far from a 1-to-1 mount onto the replica movement. So please be careful. I hope my previous comments didn't do any harm. I was in good faith. And didn't have this information before today.
NB! I won't disclose the modder. Don't even ask!
Hello everyone. I want to issue a warning regarding my previous statements in the general 5712 PPF V2 thread, that the gen moon disk can be mounted on to the clone movement. I withdraw those comments.
As it turns out. My modder/watchmaker had no issues separating the gen disk from it's gear and mounting it onto the rep disks gear, after separating that. The problems arised when he closed the watch. The thicker genuine disc got scratched and this is the result:
He explained this to me:
"i took off the replica disc from the replica gear which was glued on, then i took off the original disc from the original gear which was also glued on, so far so good, so i found out that the original disc is nothing more than a transparent plastic disc with the moon phase printed underneath, slightly thicker than the Chinese one mounted in the replica, with the mechanics bare on the counter everything worked great, once the case was put in and tightened, the dial pressed on the phase disk lunar (slightly thicker than the replica one) and rotating underneath it ruined the finish of the original disc, not completely but significantly."
This is just to let people know, that the genuine disk is far from a 1-to-1 mount onto the replica movement. So please be careful. I hope my previous comments didn't do any harm. I was in good faith. And didn't have this information before today.
NB! I won't disclose the modder. Don't even ask!
A non TD one of the buff agents is doing for me
SW dial is out but the buff dial isn’t out yet. My friend watch with a modded SW dial shown below
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