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At this point: I have no clue what the difference is between ARF and RAF.
What is I told you that there is no real difference…
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What is I told you that there is no real difference…
My preference is the mk1 dial. If it's not too difficult I would change the lume dots.I'm still thinking about moving the lumedots to the Arf dial to get the matk 1 dial instead.. Please help me decide people
There is. I've had 5 different RAF and ARF watches in hand over the last 2 months, so far, i've seen 3 different case variations (Main difference is crown guards) and 2 different bracelet/clasp variations. 2 different crystals, and there is a difference in dials, and inlays both on the LN and LVWhat is I told you that there is no real difference…
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ARF = Always Randomized Factory
RAF = Random Ass Factory
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I’ve had RAFs with AR stickers and RAF with RA stickers. They were the same exact watch but different versions. The LN I got was the wrong crown and protruding tube, LV was correct crown & better tube. Both suffered from the loose bezel issues.
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I’ve had RAFs with AR stickers and RAF with RA stickers. They were the same exact watch but different versions. The LN I got was the wrong crown and protruding tube, LV was correct crown & better tube. Both suffered from the loose bezel issues.
ARF v2 mk1 dial with RAF lumedots and raf hands.
@Lampa you make it look too easy!
@FaekieOne I feel your pain. I just finished my first proper build - certainly a little more involved than a seikomod.. ! Spent nearly half an hour just trying to seat the seconds hand correctly let alone trying to keep the dial scratch free..
And…How TF do you guys keep the damn dust away. I must have cleaned my dial and crystal 10 times and was still finding bits !
@FaekieOne I feel your pain. I just finished my first proper build - certainly a little more involved than a seikomod.. ! Spent nearly half an hour just trying to seat the seconds hand correctly let alone trying to keep the dial scratch free..
And…How TF do you guys keep the damn dust away. I must have cleaned my dial and crystal 10 times and was still finding bits !
I have a Seiko Mod -background kinda too. It got really boring and parts were mostly just crap or people just do "custom builds" that are just Blieger dial swaps.
BUT I think I managed to fit a NH35 inside a gen 1601 case. Had to remove the NH35's plastic movement spacer and make a custom one. Also the hands had to be installed after the movement is secured in. But I really think I succeeded. Haven't found decent hands yet though. And can't find my NH-stems.
Mark 1 is my choice..I'm still thinking about moving the lumedots to the Arf dial to get the matk 1 dial instead.. Please help me decide people
Here it is guys.
Next thing is to change the lume pip on the bezel and new crystal.
Next thing is to change the lume pip on the bezel and new crystal.
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Funny you guys mention Blige builds consisting of little more than dial swaps. They have the retro version of the gmt root beer I want minus the Rolex logo’s. Without the logos it loses something for me. That got me thinking that I’m going to have to Frankenstein a monster of my own together. I seen an arf band on aliexpress for an arm and leg and I thought yep that’s the same band as on my $50 shitter. Where’s the best place to get good old style rep dials bands and clasps? Are used parts the only option? I appreciate any advice you fellow have.
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Love those flat fours! Bummed I missed out on this iteration.Here it is guys.
Next thing is to change the lume pip on the bezel and new crystal.
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Ohh I thought they weren't coming w flat fours anymoreYou haven't missed out, grab one from a TD
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Yep, still available. Just ordered one myself. I couldn't resist.
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Sorry, but this is a wrong thread for a cheap vintage GMT build. This is ARF 16610 Submariner thread. Maybe start your own thread about GMT’s? You need a correct size dial (maybe BP from a TD or Raffles) and a DW overlay (Raffles). Cheap vintage bracelets and clasps are also available at Rafflesdials. Hands depend what movement you’re going to use.