ZF RM55, new super clone movement

[BIONONE]

So whats the move here, fellas? If i dont want to pay $10k for a vaucher clone, im stuck with caked on painted ribs from zf or some weirdly shaped things from rmf or ysf..? Guess im shit out of luck for a nice 055 then :/

Be patient. It is worth it. Not buying on the other hand won‘t make the stock shrink so factories tend to think low interest doesn‘t make upgrades worth it - think about it this way and bite the bullet

btw: Blue hue of the AR coating on gen RM‘s is quite prominent and part of their design. You can trust one of the biggest R&D labs (renault et papi) that they won‘t cheap out on crystals even if their whole brand identity is based upon marketing.

 

[Reaps]

So whats the move here, fellas? If i dont want to pay $10k for a vaucher clone, im stuck with caked on painted ribs from zf or some weirdly shaped things from rmf or ysf..? Guess im shit out of luck for a nice 055 then :/

It's up to you to evaluate. If I was in the market for one and I knew I wanted the best one I would get a ZF.

Quite honestly, this thread has reminded me of why the rep game is a little funny. 3 years ago we would have begged for something like this. But when it has come out, everyone has ripped it to shreds and wants more and more. We will really never be happy right?

I think the ZF is quite fantastic for the price. I mean 3 years ago, could you imagine having a gen-like case construction (Ti midcase with rubberized outer shell), and a movement that is basically 90% accurate?

All of this for around $1000. 0.4% of the price of gen.

 

[BIONONE]

…renaud & papi of course. Not to mix it up with automobiles.

 

[poseidon.]

There was a thread where someone predicted all od those and also other rm releases. He also said that the vaucher clone will be mass produced early 2025. i guess if you want to wait up to 4 5 months you can

 

[nobigdeal2010]

So whats the move here, fellas? If i dont want to pay $10k for a vaucher clone, im stuck with caked on painted ribs from zf or some weirdly shaped things from rmf or ysf..? Guess im shit out of luck for a nice 055 then :/

In my opinion, the painted ribs are not a deal breaker. The movement looks great in person. It's only when you're viewing the ribs at 10x magnification on a computer screen that they look bad

 

[seanizcool]

In my opinion, the painted ribs are not a deal breaker. The movement looks great in person. It's only when you're viewing the ribs at 10x magnification on a computer screen that they look bad

Exactly. Yeah, there are going to be certain angles where the ribs would almost look black when they reflect the light, but it's gonna look just fine on your wrist in most cases

 

[5711]

So whats the move here, fellas? If i dont want to pay $10k for a vaucher clone, im stuck with caked on painted ribs from zf or some weirdly shaped things from rmf or ysf..? Guess im shit out of luck for a nice 055 then :/

I have the ZF 055 and it’s definitely not ‘caked’ in real life. ZF is your best bet.

 

[DalePilledToo]

I have the ZF 055 and it’s definitely not ‘caked’ in real life. ZF is your best bet.

I mean.. if you have eyes.. its certainly caked

 

[fletch512]

So whats the move here, fellas? If i dont want to pay $10k for a vaucher clone, im stuck with caked on painted ribs from zf or some weirdly shaped things from rmf or ysf..? Guess im shit out of luck for a nice 055 then :/

As you've pointed out, there's pros and cons to both. https://biao6688.com/ has pictures and videos of both the RMF and ZF. I haven't looked much at the YSF 055, though. Here are my take aways:

1) If you're not going for the white ceramic, RMF has a better, more "sparkly" NTPT pattern. People have complained in this thread that the ZF NTPT is too matte, which I agree. The RMF NTPT pattern on the biao videos looks much better. I don't know how easy it is to spot the rib polishing or case curvature on the wrist at a distance, but it's pretty easy see how the case shimmers and reflects light.

2) As discussed in-depth already, the RMF rib finish is much better than ZF. Yes, in real life you'd have to look closely to spot the difference, but it's definitely there.

3) As @WenR pointed out, the ZF is too thick compared to both the gen and RMF. I've included pictures below to compare the case width as well as case curvature.

4) The RMF has the correct plate detail on the back of the watch (around where it connects to the case at the 5 o'clock screw). On the ZF, the rib pattern doesn't extend all the way to the screw (if that makes sense).

5) The RMF is about $300 cheaper.

5) The only pro for ZF seems to be the case curvature. No way would I be able to spot the difference in case curvature on the wrist, but check out the pictures below to see if you can see it and if it's a deal-breaker for you.

For me, RMF is the clear choice for materials, finish, and price (again, not knowing much about the YSF).

Gen side view:



RMF side view:



ZF side view:

 

[Cheesegrater]

As you've pointed out, there's pros and cons to both. https://biao6688.com/ has pictures and videos of both the RMF and ZF. I haven't looked much at the YSF 055, though. Here are my take aways:

1) If you're not going for the white ceramic, RMF has a better, more "sparkly" NTPT pattern. People have complained in this thread that the ZF NTPT is too matte, which I agree. The RMF NTPT pattern on the biao videos looks much better. I don't know how easy it is to spot the rib polishing or case curvature on the wrist at a distance, but it's pretty easy see how the case shimmers and reflects light.

2) As discussed in-depth already, the RMF rib finish is much better than ZF. Yes, in real life you'd have to look closely to spot the difference, but it's definitely there.

3) As @WenR pointed out, the ZF is too thick compared to both the gen and RMF. I've included pictures below to compare the case width as well as case curvature.

4) The RMF has the correct plate detail on the back of the watch (around where it connects to the case at the 5 o'clock screw). On the ZF, the rib pattern doesn't extend all the way to the screw (if that makes sense).

5) The RMF is about $300 cheaper.

5) The only pro for ZF seems to be the case curvature. No way would I be able to spot the difference in case curvature on the wrist, but check out the pictures below to see if you can see it and if it's a deal-breaker for you.

For me, RMF is the clear choice for materials, finish, and price (again, not knowing much about the YSF).

Gen side view:



RMF side view:



ZF side view:

But RMF doesn't have a cloned movement correct?

 

[Reaps]

As you've pointed out, there's pros and cons to both. https://biao6688.com/ has pictures and videos of both the RMF and ZF. I haven't looked much at the YSF 055, though. Here are my take aways:

1) If you're not going for the white ceramic, RMF has a better, more "sparkly" NTPT pattern. People have complained in this thread that the ZF NTPT is too matte, which I agree. The RMF NTPT pattern on the biao videos looks much better. I don't know how easy it is to spot the rib polishing or case curvature on the wrist at a distance, but it's pretty easy see how the case shimmers and reflects light.

2) As discussed in-depth already, the RMF rib finish is much better than ZF. Yes, in real life you'd have to look closely to spot the difference, but it's definitely there.

3) As @WenR pointed out, the ZF is too thick compared to both the gen and RMF. I've included pictures below to compare the case width as well as case curvature.

4) The RMF has the correct plate detail on the back of the watch (around where it connects to the case at the 5 o'clock screw). On the ZF, the rib pattern doesn't extend all the way to the screw (if that makes sense).

5) The RMF is about $300 cheaper.

5) The only pro for ZF seems to be the case curvature. No way would I be able to spot the difference in case curvature on the wrist, but check out the pictures below to see if you can see it and if it's a deal-breaker for you.

For me, RMF is the clear choice for materials, finish, and price (again, not knowing much about the YSF).

Gen side view:



RMF side view:



ZF side view:

Can we actually tell that RMF is using the same case construction like ZF? I suspect the cheaper price tag is because they're not using a rubberized outershel/Ti mi case and instead it's full ceramic.

 

[Cheesegrater]

Can we actually tell that RMF is using the same case construction like ZF? I suspect the cheaper price tag is because they're not using a rubberized outershel/Ti mi case and instead it's full ceramic.

The entire case and bezel is ceramic?

 

[Reaps]

The entire case and bezel is ceramic?

Disregard me rmf only has NTPT variants lol

 

[notyouravgwatchconsumer]

I mean.. if you have eyes.. its certainly caked

Do you have a piece on hand sir ?

 

[fletch512]

But RMF doesn't have a cloned movement correct?

Both RMF and ZF are pretty similar in appearance, with the few difference covered in my post as well as others in this thread. As I understand it, neither is a true clone. For a Vaucher clone movement, you'd need to pay a few thousand dollars more.

 

[dogwood]

I think we're dealing with two different movements, and I suspect that one is from Dandong and one is from Shanghai. The movement used in the ZF version seems to have a regulator and beat adjustor that are very similar to the style we see on Rolex clone movements from Dandong (e.g. the DD4130, VS3235, etc). The version of the RM movement we're seeing in the YSF and RMF versions have the same regulator and beat adjustor -- and the regulator style on this movement looks like the style we've seen on Shanghai clone Rolex movements. While I think it's probably too early to start calling these movements the DD-RMUL2 and SH-RMUL2, I think we should at least distinguish them. I'm not even sure if RMF and YSF are different factories -- I have only ever found the YSF or RMF version listed on a TD's site, but never both. It wouldn't surprise me if RMF and YSF are the same factory.

 

[DalePilledToo]

I think we're dealing with two different movements, and I suspect that one is from Dandong and one is from Shanghai. The movement used in the ZF version seems to have a regulator and beat adjustor that are very similar to the style we see on Rolex clone movements from Dandong (e.g. the DD4130, VS3235, etc). The version of the RM movement we're seeing in the YSF and RMF versions have the same regulator and beat adjustor -- and the regulator style on this movement looks like the style we've seen on Shanghai clone Rolex movements. While I think it's probably too early to start calling these movements the DD-RMUL2 and SH-RMUL2, I think we should at least distinguish them. I'm not even sure if RMF and YSF are different factories -- I have only ever found the YSF or RMF version listed on a TD's site, but never both. It wouldn't surprise me if RMF and YSF are the same factory.

That would make a lot of sense, thanks for sharing!

 

[Zac]

Disregard me rmf only has NTPT variants lol

Looks like the RMF are about to release their white ceramic variant, just found a video of it: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1xXyGYwEyx/

 

[trtr]

Looks like the RMF are about to release their white ceramic variant, just found a video of it: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1xXyGYwEyx/

Bring on more competition which will hopefully drive faster versions or more players or better pricing. RM market is hotting up for sure.

 

[Luca79]

Am I wrong or the new $1k ZF has a thickness of 13.5mm which is the same as gen?
At least, this is what is claimed. No?