Agree, KW's distorition shrinks numbers and the printing colour looks better in ZF too. That's the KW's weak poin again. ZF's hour hand is too big.
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ZF PAM127
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Agree, KW's distorition shrinks numbers and the printing colour looks better in ZF too. That's the KW's weak poin again. ZF's hour hand is too big.
I think the hour hand is the same. Probably the lighting is making the gold hands appear darker hence smaller. Either way they are both good. I just cleaned my movement with some rodico and now it looks perfect!!!
Main difference is the crystal. ZF I think is better for sure.
This is so hard to decide... I have a bunch of watches sitting in my cart at Pure-Time and am itching to pull the trigger and at the same time pick up the 127. So do I go for ZF or KW?????
i pulled a trigget to V6 because studying gen pictures with ZF and V6:
V6 is more correct with lume color on dial, more correct letters print on dial, polished CP vs unpolished on ZF, better shape of a pin of CG, hands color more accurate, lume color is the same vs different on ZF.
CG engravings is more correct than ZF.
however, But both models has wrong ETA stamp.
V6 is more correct with lume color on dial, more correct letters print on dial, polished CP vs unpolished on ZF, better shape of a pin of CG, hands color more accurate, lume color is the same vs different on ZF.
CG engravings is more correct than ZF.
however, But both models has wrong ETA stamp.
Well after much back and forth I ordered the V6F Pam 127 from Pure-Time, and the Pam 360, and Pam 622... Yup I am going to need another new watch box!!!
OK,gens,enough of no pics talk. i made some quick comparison on V6, ZF and gen.
In my opinion,both reps has many flaws. Which one is better for you, you have to decide.
ZF font is too thick while V6 font is too thin.
CG spacing in both reps are larger than gen
CP better on V6
Distortion.. well it very much depend on camera,lightning and so on,but reps both are very similar and gen has less distortion
L SWISS letters are more accurate on V6 but still it could be different angle,but i check that on few pics and V6 seems to be better
Lume collor is wrong on both but V6 has more closer color
CG engravings both are wrong but more accurate is V6
CG pin is wrong on both (don't have to be polished), but V6 has it in center
CG lever also wrong on both , but V6 is more correct, but still needs reshape
Minute hands are wrong on both but ZF is more correct here
On the back
Bots reps cases are incorrect shape. On lugs too, so needs reshape
regulator on movement is wrong on both reps, but +/- engravings are better placed on ZF
So to my own opinion, both reps are great, but both has many flaws. But they are small and probably visible only with gen piece compared in one hand.
Piece!
In my opinion,both reps has many flaws. Which one is better for you, you have to decide.
ZF font is too thick while V6 font is too thin.
CG spacing in both reps are larger than gen
CP better on V6
Distortion.. well it very much depend on camera,lightning and so on,but reps both are very similar and gen has less distortion
L SWISS letters are more accurate on V6 but still it could be different angle,but i check that on few pics and V6 seems to be better
Lume collor is wrong on both but V6 has more closer color
CG engravings both are wrong but more accurate is V6
CG pin is wrong on both (don't have to be polished), but V6 has it in center
CG lever also wrong on both , but V6 is more correct, but still needs reshape
Minute hands are wrong on both but ZF is more correct here
On the back
Bots reps cases are incorrect shape. On lugs too, so needs reshape
regulator on movement is wrong on both reps, but +/- engravings are better placed on ZF
So to my own opinion, both reps are great, but both has many flaws. But they are small and probably visible only with gen piece compared in one hand.
Piece!
Thanks for comparo. I still think the crystal distortion of the V6 is bad compared to the ZF.
- Swiss Made yes agree V6 looks better but could be due to angle of pic.
- CP looks better on V6 agree
- Dial font ZF wins for sure. Way too thin on V6.
- Lume Colour is pretty much the same.
I think you cant really go wrong with both. For me though I'll keep my ZF. The crystal and dial font are what people see the most and they are the first tells IMHO. The rest of the differences are so minute it doesnt even matter
- Swiss Made yes agree V6 looks better but could be due to angle of pic.
- CP looks better on V6 agree
- Dial font ZF wins for sure. Way too thin on V6.
- Lume Colour is pretty much the same.
I think you cant really go wrong with both. For me though I'll keep my ZF. The crystal and dial font are what people see the most and they are the first tells IMHO. The rest of the differences are so minute it doesnt even matter
ALE, I'm sure you have plenty on your plate right now, but I was just wondering, now that ZF and KW 127 are both out, roughly how far out from now do you think you will be able to give us your much appreciated expert review? I'm sure we're all anxiously awaiting it. :thumbup: Many thanks in advance!
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Nice comparison and interesting data from it
Thanks for the job. Rep points added
What do you think about the cushion shape??
Do you think makers are using the same base of caseset for PAM 127 and PAM 217 ??
Thanks in advance
ALE
KW crystal more like the noob version without the distorted line problem, more raised and bubble
ZF is more flat
KW has no sunburst finishing on movement bridge, engravings look deeper, but font looks different from noob or zf
ZF is more flat
KW has no sunburst finishing on movement bridge, engravings look deeper, but font looks different from noob or zf
Thanks, cases are almost identical but i see that lug hols are a little bit in different position. But its very minot position and could be lightning that why i skiped that. But anyway, shape is very close to gen but there are clearly some places which needs reshape.
Yes, this is the same model as on the Pure time website (look at the strange little dot in the middle of CP).
Not to take anything away from the passion of perfection but these look excellent in my opinion. Most have probably come close as a picture of a gen 127 and depending on who is wearing it won't question it. Bravo to the rep makers for always pushing the envelope and the community for having such a keen eye.
That KW 127 is one well put together rep watch. I have both the Noobs 127 and 217 which I bought from the first batch Noob produced and both are in as new condition. I must say tht the KW 127 looks better. Crystal is flawless and the fit and finish perfect to my eyes.