I've never been disappointed with any kW watch I have bought. Fit and finish is as good as it gets. The gen 127 has crystal distortion and I have seen photos of gens that look as bad as the worst rep. So just having a level of distortion does NOT immediately call out the rep as a rep. Looking at both watches they are BOTH very good in this respect. I personally would choose the KW watch since my past experiences have been incredibly good buying KW watches. That all being said it is best to have patience and I would wait until a V2 version.
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ZF PAM127
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Too bad neither rep maker chose to correct the cut of the "2" on the dial.
For those who do not want anamorphic lens distortion, you can easily pick up a WSO aftermarket crystal with far less distortion than these rep crystals.
The problem is, you might want to go back to the distortion--it is after all a hallmark of the early gen 127s.
For those who do not want anamorphic lens distortion, you can easily pick up a WSO aftermarket crystal with far less distortion than these rep crystals.
The problem is, you might want to go back to the distortion--it is after all a hallmark of the early gen 127s.
Ok well I thought best make a decision and get an order in for the KW version and if the distortion really bothers me I will replace the crystal. All paid for and now wait for QC pics.
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^ Enjoy mate. Cant go wrong. Repgeek guys seem to see other differences as well - I have no clue and dont really care for these. Hope the poster doesnt mind I pasted below. TBH i didnt even notice any of these. LOL
The V6F seems to have the longer swan neck regulator screw, but it lacks the sunburst finishing on the plates that the ZF does nicely.
The ZF PANERAIPANERAI engraving looks nicer and has more correct thinner font as well as improved font/letter shape in regards to the position of the bar on the A (lower compared to V6F) and the shape of the R.
The V6F seems to have the longer swan neck regulator screw, but it lacks the sunburst finishing on the plates that the ZF does nicely.
The ZF PANERAIPANERAI engraving looks nicer and has more correct thinner font as well as improved font/letter shape in regards to the position of the bar on the A (lower compared to V6F) and the shape of the R.
Maybe I should buy both and mix them up to get the best of both, but to be honest it's not that important to me! And if I want perfection well it's approx £10k+ to buy a gen so I just need to sell a kidney....
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The ZF A shape horizontal bar being lower is actually incorrect. engravings are also shallow and not well defined. Although yes the R shape is more correct. IMO overall the ZF and V6F are on par, each have their own areas where they are better and worse, overall I think noob is still better. for example, the case shape is more accurate, correctly shaped lugs and rounded edges on the back of case between the lugs.
honestly, I think at this point other great forum members have done more than their (non) due homework and given us objective points to decide. What else do you need exactly? maybe time to do your own homework and decide for yourself, no?
They most definitely have. What I probably need are some therapy sessions for my indecisive nature cuz I'm well aware it's pretty bad lol. I've gone through all the pictures of this forum and the videos on PureTime multiple times now, even slow-playing them side by side on my 60" TV. I guess I was hoping that one of the reps would be indisputably better and make the decision easy, but that's definitely not the case; they just had to make this difficult. At the end of the day, I wouldn't be surprised if the latest and unattainable Noob version retains ALE's "best option" award anyways. Bummer ...
No. I think neither would be super rep. Too many flaws on both models.
Just buy one and enjoy it. All these flaws arent that big - no1 will tell except us watch junkies
Ha, thank you for being the voice of sanity and reason.
First of all, ice_gee showed his excellent eye for details in his great comparison post. I think this really covers about everything up.
Both versions look very good to me, though at this.point I'm leaning towards v6f between these contenders, mainly due to the CG lever shape and the CP, two very important details for me.
The case shape seen from the back is something I have not considered yet, and my noob looks to have the correct shape in effect. Interesting, as it's something I did'nt notice before.
Another detail that seems to be not enough considered is the crystal shape. Sora, whom as a dealer can have both versions on hand at the same time, posted a few very interesting details about it and said v6f has taller crystal, which means a smaller flat area on top of it and an overall closer shape to the gen imho. I would really like to see comparison pics from the side to confirm this impression.
All in all it seems noob would still be the best overall choice, if it was available
At the moment, both are worthy choices and one could not go wrong with either.
Both versions look very good to me, though at this.point I'm leaning towards v6f between these contenders, mainly due to the CG lever shape and the CP, two very important details for me.
The case shape seen from the back is something I have not considered yet, and my noob looks to have the correct shape in effect. Interesting, as it's something I did'nt notice before.
Another detail that seems to be not enough considered is the crystal shape. Sora, whom as a dealer can have both versions on hand at the same time, posted a few very interesting details about it and said v6f has taller crystal, which means a smaller flat area on top of it and an overall closer shape to the gen imho. I would really like to see comparison pics from the side to confirm this impression.
All in all it seems noob would still be the best overall choice, if it was available
At the moment, both are worthy choices and one could not go wrong with either.
Any comparisons to be had about the bands on the KW and ZF? I noticed in the PureTime video that the stitching on the back of the KW band looks like a 4th grader sewed it. The leather on the ZF band also looks higher quality IMHO.
To be honest the straps/bands are the least of our problems...
Ha, I know, easily switched out/replaced. But still, another point of comparison for those interested.
Does the gen have a sunburst finish on the plates? It's hard to tell from the pictures I've seen.
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I think both watches have excellent crystal clarity and distortion is very gen like. You see distortion with the gen as well. What you don't want to see is an obvious demarcation circle like there is a plastic sticker on the crystal. I see a mild dial distortion with both watches which is perfectly fine. There may be other issues but crystal distortion is not one of them.
I would choose KW, but I'll wait for the next batch...here's why:
1- crytal distorsion is no factor, since neither ZF nor KW crystal satisfies me, I'll be forced to install one from WSO. problem solved!.
2- the rear of the watch does not matter too much for me (better rear engravings on ZF). I use to show my watches when wearing them
3- So, taking onto acount all the above, and beacuse dial, case shape, CG and CP are better in KW. I will choose KW.
1- crytal distorsion is no factor, since neither ZF nor KW crystal satisfies me, I'll be forced to install one from WSO. problem solved!.
2- the rear of the watch does not matter too much for me (better rear engravings on ZF). I use to show my watches when wearing them
3- So, taking onto acount all the above, and beacuse dial, case shape, CG and CP are better in KW. I will choose KW.
Those were my exact thoughts on kw vs zf +1 but decided to just get one of the first batch rather than keep waiting.. If allowed will post QC pics and I would expect them early next week as my payment has gone into their bank as of today.
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Does any one mentioned before in this long thread, the fact that GEN "minute hand" is more "long-pointed"/sharped compared to both ZF & KW ???