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What AP Franken(s) do you have in the works?!

BIONONE

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I saw a couple and they look legit, but one has a really old datewheel and the other has a faded one. I am asking because I bought a set of gen 15202 hands that i'll either put in a 5402 or 15202 build, based off a 15202 XF v2 base, and can finally call myself a real franken owner even though I already have a JF v5 15400 with gen dial lol.

Will the one with a really off-white/yellow datewheel be used in a 5402 franken, once i find a dial for it? See pic below.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Audemars-Pi...0AAOSwVSte2n-e

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Audemars-Pi...IAAOSw4zNeZp8l

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AUDEAMRS-PI...QAAOSwr9BeXriF

or you try to save some money to get a DW afterwards:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Men-Vacher...392879?hash=item421a33056f:g:fxUAAOSwOFZetxdA
 
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Well, let's not compare it to a gen profile for obvious reasons as it looks nothing like a gen. It's probably done as good as it could've been done at the time. There's some things that may be QC errors like the uneven cut throughout the lower one of crown guards or the cuts on the bottom of the midcase and more but that is being anal about it. Could've potentially been prevented but it's there now.

Most of the rep cases won't stand on to a gen case anyway so let's focus on the sole benefits this has over a plain rep case which is the reduced thickness and stem relocation to adapt with the new movement. That's all it is about, pretty much. Especially so for these open cb 2014 models that have pretty bad base casebacks and sometimes cases anyway from my experience. I have seldom seen a really good one. Like legend has stated above, it's that 'evolution' the rep makers have gone to that is pretty much bringing negative heat to the franken movement with these brutally thick casebacks that prevent from getting the profile right.

Well brother, looking at the big picture, no AP franken is perfect. There are always flaws and tells, and like you mention, imperfect machining and lathing work. All part of the modding scene.
The 26470 frankens always look less optimal than the classic ROOs and you have rightfully pointed out that dissected, not one of them will stand up to scrutiny next to the gen, even before the caseback is inspected. But this is a fun hobby where these replicas are built for owner amusement, instead of actual luxury watches. Taken in that context independently, I think that the watches are mostly well done (imperfections and all) and it is amazing how far this hobby has come. It is a pity that regressions like the JF caseback still happen, but they are mostly blights in an otherwise progressing hobby. Basing the success of one's build based on comparing it to the gen is always a fool's game, because at the end of the day, it isn't a gen and will never be. But a franken, whilst still being a replica, is a tremendous and expensive improvement over the stock factory release and I think that this is the measurement of the franken's success bro. As long as they are not being treated like the gen, I think that it is a fun and relatively low cost game to play compared with indulging in gens.

We have very talented modders and dedicated owners who know what they want. Then you see the results and the labour of love and you understand that the passion here is far greater than what you find in the gen world. To me that is the most impressive part of the hobby, and I concede that this specific journey beats just going out there and purchasing any gen. The latter is almost soulless by comparison. :qtip2:
 

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I saw a couple and they look legit, but one has a really old datewheel and the other has a faded one. I am asking because I bought a set of gen 15202 hands that i'll either put in a 5402 or 15202 build, based off a 15202 XF v2 base, and can finally call myself a real franken owner even though I already have a JF v5 15400 with gen dial lol.

Can the one below be used in a 5402 franken, once i find a dial for it? See pic below.

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5402 and 15202 are using different hands base bevel and shape ;-)

 
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Well brother, looking at the big picture, no AP franken is perfect. There are always flaws and tells, and like you mention, imperfect machining and lathing work. All part of the modding scene.
The 26470 frankens always look less optimal than the classic ROOs and you have rightfully pointed out that dissected, not one of them will stand up to scrutiny next to the gen, even before the caseback is inspected. But this is a fun hobby where these replicas are built for owner amusement, instead of actual luxury watches. Taken in that context independently, I think that the watches are mostly well done (imperfections and all) and it is amazing how far this hobby has come. It is a pity that regressions like the JF caseback still happen, but they are mostly blights in an otherwise progressing hobby. Basing the success of one's build based on comparing it to the gen is always a fool's game, because at the end of the day, it isn't a gen and will never be. But a franken, whilst still being a replica, is a tremendous and expensive improvement over the stock factory release and I think that this is the measurement of the franken's success bro. As long as they are not being treated like the gen, I think that it is a fun and relatively low cost game to play compared with indulging in gens.

We have very talented modders and dedicated owners who know what they want. Then you see the results and the labour of love and you understand that the passion here is far greater than what you find in the gen world. To me that is the most impressive part of the hobby, and I concede that this specific journey beats just going out there and purchasing any gen. The latter is almost soulless by comparison. :qtip2:
So true. I'm new to this but i see frankening like a sport. It's all about performance : the time needed, the hunt for parts, the technical solutions found to build it reminds me of the fast-bikes hobby I used to have, when upgrading a bike to chase tenth of seconds on the race track.

Moneywise though, it's not about showing off a luxury watch. It's about efficiency of the accomplished work, and the money you spend is all about where you want to go to achieve your goal whith the watch. I totally agree that the one who builds a franken to pretend having a gen is wrong, at least that's how I see it. Gen parts don't make a gen watch, and as legend wisely expressed here, a franken is a whole watch type on it's own.
And honestly, after years wearing gens, I find it probably as exciting, if not more, to franken than to walk at an AD and buy a watch.

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And honestly, after years wearing gens, I find it probably as exciting, if not more, to franken than to walk at an AD and buy a watch.

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without being a psychologist, there is certainly a kind of personal satisfaction when participating to the evolution/construction of your own watch, which makes it more special and provide more excitement than getting it straight from a manufacturer...
 

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Anyone know how a dial attaches to a caliber 2121? Screws to hold dial feet?
 

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15202 Dial and hands were €1300. Wont tell where except it was a public commerce website. Did I get lucky?
 
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Man you were extremely lucky!! Amazing price. Usually just the hands are that price.
If you find another set let me know.
 

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I have only seen a few AP hands for sale and this listing had a dial with the wrong reference and hands were barely visible in the last photo and were in the description as "watch dial comes with two needles" kind of like an afterthought. I definitely won't find anything like it again.
 
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I have only seen a few AP hands for sale and this listing had a dial with the wrong reference and hands were barely visible in the last photo and were in the description as "watch dial comes with two needles" kind of like an afterthought. I definitely won't find anything like it again.

This is very typical, unfortunately...
 
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Jurgenk

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Sorry to be unclear— you got very lucky and that set looks amazing. Unfortunately it’s more typical for sellers to not understand or worse misrepresent what they actually have when they offer gen hands for sale.
 
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Hi, it is possible to buy the 15202 XF v2 case and the AP2121 movement and place only the movement in the case without gen hands and dial?
 
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W47chl0v3r

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Sorry to be unclear— you got very lucky and that set looks amazing. Unfortunately it’s more typical for sellers to not understand or worse misrepresent what they actually have when they offer gen hands for sale.

I thought by unfortunately you meant that when this scenario happens it is a typical scam. I agree it is unfortunate for the seller. On the other hand... :smildzor:
 
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