What AP Franken(s) do you have in the works?!

[SuperLory]

mrsullivan I'm told that an LWO is a 2892 with a DD chrono on top. If you remove the chrono module you have a 2892 which any watchsmith should be able to service for a minimal fee (if that is the non working part)

But I ain't no watchsmith..

 

[legend]

Lord I'm all eyes on this thread now, so much infos thank you guys.

Regarding movement I've been searching a LWO283 for a couple of weeks (no impatience here, I'm aware sourcing parts can take weeks, if not months), but as you guys know they don't come at every corner. As today I found 2 older watches on some auctions, Tags and Hamilton as these brands often used this movement in the 80's, but both needed repair. Of course the best would be a functional movement, so I keep on searching.

I'm wondering though : aside of the named "LWO" movements, I see many 2892 with Dubois-Depraz chrono module, which a LWO283 is in the end. Can these movement be an option for a AP franken as we want it?

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Most of the LWO 283 movements are based on the DD chrono module pairing with either the ETA 2890 or 2892 movement. For what you are asking, it is essentially the same thing as yes if you come across an "ETA 2892 + DD(2020) module", it works for an AP franken.

 

[SuperLory]

@theplayboy

I happen to be wearing a classic ROO today so I took a pic of the case profile for you.

You can see the gen and rep caseback profiles difference. In the gen, the beveled area of the caseback is much thinner than the rep. The caseback gasket is also a lot thinner in the gen. The overall profile of the gen is relatively sleek and angular.

Your watch profile looks a lot thicker than the gen despite the “correct thickness” and the profile proportions look off.

Ok I wanted to convey this rather than just saying "It looks thick".
My franken profile looks a lot more like this in legend's photo albeit clearly different.

 

[legend]

Ok I wanted to convey this rather than just saying "It looks thick".
My franken profile looks a lot more like this in legend's photo albeit clearly different.

you could have summed it up it 5 words bro: "I want to hao lian" :hehehe:

 

[slaughterer62]

These are already scheduled with me to build in summer 2020. (People have been sending me some nice AP stuff lately.) Just need to complete the current projects in progress for Spring 2020.

"The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence." - J. Krishnamurti

 

[tosoboso]

@theplayboy

I happen to be wearing a classic ROO today so I took a pic of the case profile for you.

You can see the gen and rep caseback profiles difference. In the gen, the beveled area of the caseback is much thinner than the rep. The caseback gasket is also a lot thinner in the gen. The overall profile of the gen is relatively sleek and angular.

Your watch profile looks a lot thicker than the gen despite the “correct thickness” and the profile proportions look off. Notice also the laterally centered crown and slightly thinner midcase in the gen (look at the midcase area above the chrono pusher extrusions)

My point is that to build a well-presented franken, casethickness is not the only concern, but case proportions, especially for the profile, matters.

We are discussing details which do not matter in real life honestly. I’m doing this only because you asked and this discussion is allowable on this platform.

My intention is that you see these and the knowledge will enable you to take your watches to the next level.


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Just couldn’t resist. Have generally lost interest in this franken hobby, at least for the time being. But living up to a gen’s standards when you’re only a franken hobbyist is always a challenge.

How’s my old franken in terms of profile?

 

[tosoboso]

These are already scheduled with me to build in summer 2020. (People have been sending me some nice AP stuff lately.) Just need to complete the current projects in progress for Spring 2020.

"The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence." - J. Krishnamurti

Dear Sir,

you always manage to amuse me with these little projects of yours. Have you not moved to Le Brassus yet? They sure need someone like you or legend to get back on the creative track

Stay well

 

[legend]

Just couldn’t resist. Have generally lost interest in this franken hobby, at least for the time being. But living up to a gen’s standards when your only a franken hobbyist is always a challenge

How’s my old franken in terms of profile?

Hello T

Welcome back and honored that your first post is to quote and respond to one of mine :hehehe:

I think that your franken profile looks good, and the issue of the new rep ROOs preventing franken builds from achieving the same result, is the prodigiously thick caseback. Even when trimmed, this gives an incorrect profile visually.

:qtip2:


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[tosoboso]

Hello T

Welcome back and honored that your first post is to quote and respond to one of mine :hehehe:

I think that your franken profile looks good, and the issue of the new rep ROOs preventing franken builds from achieving the same result, is the prodigiously thick caseback. Even when trimmed, this gives an incorrect profile visually.

:qtip2:


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Likewise. I miss these exchanges.

In the case of my beast franken I was helped by the fact that the Noob bezel and caseback had somewhat proper geometry/dimensions to begin with and that they were more or less a proper fit for the gen gaskets. But if I were to build a new Beast franken with my 2018 tapisserie dial I’d be for a loss as those better casebacks are hard to come by.

Cheers

 

[mrsullivan]

These are already scheduled with me to build in summer 2020. (People have been sending me some nice AP stuff lately.) Just need to complete the current projects in progress for Spring 2020.

Well, please keep some room for mine as well . Parts are coming in, just look at what got in today!

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[Revolper]

Ok let’s play

 

[QueTip]

Ok let’s play

You do know that by wanting to play, you're asking for a dissection of your watches profile, yeah? :qtip2:
Unless, which is possible, I'm misunderstanding your intention with this and you just want to share that shot you took.

 

[Revolper]

You do know that by wanting to play, you're asking for a dissection of your watches profile, yeah? :qtip2:
Unless, which is possible, I'm misunderstanding your intention with this and you just want to share that shot you took.

Yes qt, that’s what I’m asking for ;>

 

[W47chl0v3r]

I know people on these forums hoard parts such as dials and hands, but does anyone have a spare AP Cal 2121 w/ white date disk theyre not using?

 

[ksaander]

cant believe they still didnt cloned AP chrono movement like daytona 4130 caliber.. they could overhaul all ROO models and sell them like hotcakes


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[QueTip]

Yes qt, that’s what I’m asking for ;>

Well, let's not compare it to a gen profile for obvious reasons as it looks nothing like a gen. It's probably done as good as it could've been done at the time. There's some things that may be QC errors like the uneven cut throughout the lower one of crown guards or the cuts on the bottom of the midcase and more but that is being anal about it. Could've potentially been prevented but it's there now.

Most of the rep cases won't stand on to a gen case anyway so let's focus on the sole benefits this has over a plain rep case which is the reduced thickness and stem relocation to adapt with the new movement. That's all it is about, pretty much. Especially so for these open cb 2014 models that have pretty bad base casebacks and sometimes cases anyway from my experience. I have seldom seen a really good one. Like legend has stated above, it's that 'evolution' the rep makers have gone to that is pretty much bringing negative heat to the franken movement with these brutally thick casebacks that prevent from getting the profile right.

 

[QueTip]

Gen profile for comparison. :qtip2:

 

[Revolper]

Yeah that’s pretty much it.

QC errors have to be accepted when spending 20k less for a watch, they are ofc exaggerated with those kind of pics, at least I’m cool with them IRL.

No more benefits over a rep case than the reduced height and relocated crown are to be expected as nothing else has been done.

The caseback has actually been exchanged and I’m quite happy with its geometry over the usual JF crap.

thanks for your input.

 

[BIONONE]

I know people on these forums hoard parts such as dials and hands, but does anyone have a spare AP Cal 2121 w/ white date disk theyre not using?

Check ebay - there are a couple deals online - of course for a lot of money but reasonable keeing the cost of the gen in mind.

 

[W47chl0v3r]

Check ebay - there are a couple deals online - of course for a lot of money but reasonable keeing the cost of the gen in mind.

I saw a couple and they look legit, but one has a really old datewheel and the other has a faded one. I am asking because I bought a set of gen 15202 hands that i'll either put in a 5402 or 15202 build, based off a 15202 XF v2 base, and can finally call myself a real franken owner even though I already have a JF v5 15400 with gen dial lol.

Can the one below be used in a 5402 franken, once i find a dial for it? See pic below.