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The VSF Submariners Thread

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You lads clearly have no idea about how Rolex handles business...Outsorced crystals would be considered heresy at Rolex. Every damn thing is in house. Get a no date version, 0 worries. Or, if you're a genuine psycho, get it swapped for a gen crystal. It's not THAT expensive. There will be almost 0 difference, but whatever floats your boat...
 

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You lads clearly have no idea about how Rolex handles business...Outsorced crystals would be considered heresy at Rolex. Every damn thing is in house. Get a no date version, 0 worries. Or, if you're a genuine psycho, get it swapped for a gen crystal. It's not THAT expensive. There will be almost 0 difference, but whatever floats your boat...
Do you personally see the difference between gen and VSF cyclop glass?
And if yes, what are those differences?

I am close to get crazy, reading tons of text and videos and all has different opinion on how gen cyclop should looks like.

Can it has blue color or must have chocolate/red one?
 

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Do you personally see the difference between gen and VSF cyclop glass?
And if yes, what are those differences?

I am close to get crazy, reading tons of text and videos and all has different opinion on how gen cyclop should looks like.

Can it has blue color or must have chocolate/red one?
it sounds like you should just buy gen
 

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Am I just dumb or blind - I can't seem to find the 116710 Clean V2 on a jubilee on Jtime. I can only find the Oyster. I feel like I must be missing something.

It's the official Jtime link. Double- and triple checked.

Do you personally see the difference between gen and VSF cyclop glass?
And if yes, what are those differences?

I am close to get crazy, reading tons of text and videos and all has different opinion on how gen cyclop should looks like.

Can it has blue color or must have chocolate/red one?
99% of people who look at your watch on your wrist won’t notice this. Best not to overthink this. Reps are always going to have 1 or 2 flaws. If you are that concerned, consider gen.
 

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I am talking about this guy

I guess he compares VSF to gen because number "3" is different on VSF. And he points out its not similar to gen.
Also he pointed out "not enough AR coating on "Cyclop".
With regard to the “3,” he’s talking about the font. Which, in my opinion, even if someone is showing it to you from their wrist up close, this would be really hard to tell. The difference between overall reflectivity/glare is negligible, if even present at all. I have friends who have the gen and honestly the only thing I can tell, when we are talking about VSF, is that the bezel insert is more saturated on the gen and oystersteel finish (almost impossible to replicate the oystersteel “sheen”). I’m obsessed with this model, I’m on a waiting list and plan on getting it at retail. So I’ve studied this piece enough as a consumer genuinely interested in it. Unless you want to sell it as genuine, even people who have the real thing won’t be able to tell the difference, unless your a well-well informed RWI member.

It’s how the watch interacts with light, which is relevant for most reps. Colors are very specific. In most cases it would be hard to tell unless you have something to compare it to. But for this model, since I have seen it in almost every environment, I would be able to tell from the bracelet and insert, which is easy to spot. VSF is very close. Oystersteel’s composition is specific, unless it’s produced exactly as is, no one can 100% replicate the finish because it’s apples and oranges. Their SELs are also flawless. Although I have seen some with one corner not conoletely equal to the others. Shadows really enhance the effect so, I personally focus a lot on SEL. Things that’s are within my control for the rep. The only people who focus on these things are people on this forum which is a very small percentage of the world, I wouldn’t worry at all. Very well informed RWI members, even smaller percentage. I would say 2% of members.

The cyclops isn’t necessarily a product of how much. The reflection on the cyclops, which all will have, is never “colorless.” It’s either has an undertone of red or blue. You can tell when looking at reflections of light sources. Even things that have cooler temperatures I.e., 5k LED/blue sky, will come across as “warm” on red. These will come across as white with the blue unless it’s literally blue. But again, I wouldn’t worry about it because 126610 versions also have the blue undertone tint with a smaller percentage of the batches.

Personally, I would be pissed at these YouTubers if I had a gen with blue undertone. Really pissed actually.

Unless your Patek, even Rolex and most luxury brands are not perfect.

Hope that helps. VSF is great!
 

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Has anyone actually purchased or seen the East Factory green insert that Andrew sells? It’s pricey, so I’m wondering if it’s any good?
 

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You lads clearly have no idea about how Rolex handles business...Outsorced crystals would be considered heresy at Rolex. Every damn thing is in house. Get a no date version, 0 worries. Or, if you're a genuine psycho, get it swapped for a gen crystal. It's not THAT expensive. There will be almost 0 difference, but whatever floats your boat...
Perhaps not crystals, I was talking about Swiss luxury brands in general. But I would respectfully disagree and say that Rolex does not produce everything in house. Obviously, they assemble everything themselves, but they outsource for sure.

 

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What do they outsource? Only thing in the articel was lume, then Rolex made there own lume chromalight. Or i miss somthing?
 

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What do they outsource? Only thing in the articel was lume, then Rolex made there own lume chromalight. Or i miss somthing?
It says that they are very secretive about their process. It also indicates “almost all” parts, which in the absence of an absolute statement, implies the former, in my opinion. But I would be happy to be proved wrong.
 
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It says that they are very secretive about their process. It also indicates “almost all” parts, which in the absence of an absolute statement, implies the former, in my opinion. But I would be happy to be proved wrong.
Ah okey 👍 Thx mate
 
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Even if date glass has a blue tint on it while gen has chocolate?
You dont seet it from 3 feels?
Some gens actually have blue tint on the date glass. There’s only one thing that’s been consistent with Rolex over the years and that’s their watches change. They change bezel tones and materials, lume material, everything eventually changes. Just look at a 30 year old bluesy 16613 they’re now the 126613lb, you’ll really have to look closely and know the history of all the little changes to “know” if it’s a 100% gen or if the clasp was changed or it’s missing the divers extension or if the crystal is gen or aftermarket. That’s one watch and there’s dozens that are just as popular.
It’s kinda like running out of deodorant on one armpit. You know and wonder all day who else is going to notice but nobody notices because nobody cares.
 
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Has VSF still not fixed the sel gaps and problems or is it just my luck? Here is a QC I got yesterday also the pip looks a bit off. Of course I didn't approve it, now I'm waiting for a new one.:cautious::cry:


 

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Has VSF still not fixed the sel gaps and problems or is it just my luck? Here is a QC I got yesterday also the pip looks a bit off. Of course I didn't approve it, now I'm waiting for a new one.:cautious::cry:


Just a batch by batch, watch by watch issue. Actually, the lack of consistency in VSF QC is why Clean is preferred in the local market. But if you get a good VSF, it's very good.

I would red light that by the way.
 

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Has VSF still not fixed the sel gaps and problems or is it just my luck? Here is a QC I got yesterday also the pip looks a bit off. Of course I didn't approve it, now I'm waiting for a new one.:cautious::cry:


Just a batch by batch, watch by watch issue. Actually, the lack of consistency in VSF QC is why Clean is preferred in the local market. But if you get a good VSF, it's very good.

I would red light that by the way.
 

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Just a batch by batch, watch by watch issue. Actually, the lack of consistency in VSF QC is why Clean is preferred in the local market. But if you get a good VSF, it's very good.

I would red light that by the way.
I bought a VSF QC before, and I went with CF because of bezel bumping. Every time I decide to go with VSF, I have these problems. This is my 2nd time going to VSF and both times I had QC problems. This is RL for me too.