The Vintage DateJust Thread

[Replicated]

VS3135 is a VS3135, just look for a seller with some good reputation and sales, etc.

 

[NoReaction123]

What crown do you have on there?

Hi, sorry for the waiting time I used an Aliexpress crown which seems better than the one from raffles and I changed the tube, maybe that's the problem ?

 

[NoReaction123]

The 16234 has no recess for the crown. Especially not as big as on your raffle case. Here a picture from a gen 16234.



You can remove the entire recess by machining the side with a file. So file off the metal that is too much evenly and then polish it with sandpaper in various steps from 280 to 5000. I've already done this a few times. It takes a bit of courage and dexterity.

Here a image how it lookes after all.

Wow thank you very much for the response, that looks rather complicated, is the result worth it and is it really difficult to get a clean and symmetrical result ?

 

[Nur-Uhr]

Sorry to ask maybe a very dumb question in this thread, but does anyone have a good seller for a 3135 on AliExpress? I've seen some on there, but I'm unsure of the quality/reliability (mind you it's my first Franken build and I'm on the cheaper side). Thanks!

I always used our member @Asmodeus to buy such 3135 or 3130 clone movements.
Advantage - those are really high quailty and very clean (no dirt, no over oiled,...) and worth the price he is selling them.
Take a look in the M2M part section = there you will find a sales thread where he is selling such movements.
Highly recommended.

 

[Rolexmike69]

Hi, sorry for the waiting time I used an Aliexpress crown which seems better than the one from raffles and I changed the tube, maybe that's the problem ?

This is using gen crown 604 and Raffles case tube.

 

[Davidoff06]

Hello

I wanted to know if you can help me

I am currently mounting a vintage Raffles with a 3135 with a Raffles dial.

I realize that the feet’s are not well centered. And I wanted to know if I should cut all the feet’s and stick the dial on the movement?
thanks you.

 

[intellects]

Raffles dials are meant for mounting on a 2824 so you’ll have to modify the dial to fit a 3135. Removing and placing the feet in the right positions is one way although there’s a risk of damaging the dial through bending. If you have a 3135 clone already, the usual advice is go for a genuine dial that fits a 3035/3135 from eBay which fits as is and is miles better than Raffles dials

 

[Rolexmike69]

Hello

I wanted to know if you can help me

I am currently mounting a vintage Raffles with a 3135 with a Raffles dial.

I realize that the feet’s are not well centered. And I wanted to know if I should cut all the feet’s and stick the dial on the movement?
thanks you.

In the past I have mounted a raffles DJ dial on a 3135. If a Gen dial isn’t what you’re after, Just remove the dial feet, put dial dots on movement and press dial on. Just make sure you center pinion and date wheel. Otherwise Gen is the easiest way to go as mentioned above.

 

[Davidoff06]

Thank you for all this information.
So I will cut all the feet and properly center the dial with double-tape.

I'm probably considering in the future, if the opportunity arises to buy a Dial gen.
WTB gen vintage dial
thanks Guys

 

[D P]

FYI, with my raffles case and 3135, I had some rotor rubbing/interference as others have previously reported. I removed some material as suggested, but was still not enough. I can’t say for certain, but consider removing material from the interior lip to increase the OD of the case back; this could have been causing my issue.

Also, not that it’s there anymore, but my Switzerland was spelt properly.

 

[D P]

FYI, with my raffles case and 3135, I had some rotor rubbing/interference as others have previously reported. I removed some material as suggested, but was still not enough. I can’t say for certain, but consider removing material from the interior lip to increase the OD of the case back; this could have been causing my issue.

Also, not that it’s there anymore, but my Switzerland was spelt properly.

ID, not OD

 

[AquaProd]

I just bought this 16014 dial on eBay for a bargain and I'm going to do a Raffles build. I've seen on this thread that in some cases lume dots scrape on the inside of the case; do I have to enlarge the rehaut? If so, any good methods for doing this? I do own a Dremel, but I don't know what type of attachement I need to use. Thanks everybody!

https://images.clickpix.org/hMpRXI.jpeg

 

[Replicated]

Hello

I wanted to know if you can help me

I am currently mounting a vintage Raffles with a 3135 with a Raffles dial.

I realize that the feet’s are not well centered. And I wanted to know if I should cut all the feet’s and stick the dial on the movement?
thanks you.

Gen 3035/3135 are not that expensive.
I would save the money and the hassle of a Raffles dial and go for a gen one.
It just looks better and plug and play.

 

[Rolexmike69]

I just bought this 16014 dial on eBay for a bargain and I'm going to do a Raffles build. I've seen on this thread that in some cases lume dots scrape on the inside of the case; do I have to enlarge the rehaut? If so, any good methods for doing this? I do own a Dremel, but I don't know what type of attachement I need to use. Thanks everybody!

https://images.clickpix.org/hMpRXI.jpeg

Yes, check your dial versus the opening of rehaut. Be careful not to break off the lume plots
If you need to widen the REHAUT, user with a sanding desk/sanding drum.

The information below was pulled right off this thread early on when the thread was started.

“It highly depends on the print of the dial. The raffles case came with a opening of 27,38mm, which is fine if the dial is not printed closely to the edge. The Gen Dials I've used have an diameter of 27,78mm and for this specific one I've opened the rehaut to 27,62 (iirc). Sure, if you grid too much, you have a problem. If you are using an 3135 (clone), the diameter should be 28,50mm, which gives you some backup, but if the rehaut is wider than the dial, I would look a bit weird. tl;dr: I would not do it, if the dial is looking good with the stock width of the case.”

I would sand a little and then check your opening, repeat again etc. etc. if you sand too much off that dial will not fit/seat properly in there and you’ll end up breaking off lume plots for sure in addition to it just looking crazy.
So take your time when you do this. Less is more initially.

 

[goodpm]

604 fit mine without changing the tube. The 600 comes with a different tube that will not screw directly into the case. You have to re-tap the case for the 600.
603 will fit, but I found that you need to change the tube in order for it it sit flush with case.
Others may want to chime in. This is my experience.

So I picked up a gen 604 crown, and on the Raffles tube it doesn't screw all the way down to the case, probably close to a full millimeter off the case. Have you experienced the same? Would a gen tube fit in the Raffles case without having to re-tap the case?

 

[AquaProd]

Yes, check your dial versus the opening of rehaut. Be careful not to break off the lume plots
If you need to widen the REHAUT, user with a sanding desk/sanding drum.

The information below was pulled right off this thread early on when the thread was started.

“It highly depends on the print of the dial. The raffles case came with a opening of 27,38mm, which is fine if the dial is not printed closely to the edge. The Gen Dials I've used have an diameter of 27,78mm and for this specific one I've opened the rehaut to 27,62 (iirc). Sure, if you grid too much, you have a problem. If you are using an 3135 (clone), the diameter should be 28,50mm, which gives you some backup, but if the rehaut is wider than the dial, I would look a bit weird. tl;dr: I would not do it, if the dial is looking good with the stock width of the case.”

I would sand a little and then check your opening, repeat again etc. etc. if you sand too much off that dial will not fit/seat properly in there and you’ll end up breaking off lume plots for sure in addition to it just looking crazy.
So take your time when you do this. Less is more initially.

For sanding the rehaut should I use higher grit sand paper (400 and up)? I feel like the sanding drum I have on my Dremel is too coarse and might ruin the opening (I guess it's like 80 grit). Thank you and sorry if these questions might be dumb, but I'm a novice in franken builds

 

[Rolexmike69]

So I picked up a gen 604 crown, and on the Raffles tube it doesn't screw all the way down to the case, probably close to a full millimeter off the case. Have you experienced the same? Would a gen tube fit in the Raffles case without having to re-tap the case?

Honestly, I don’t know bc every 604 I used fit perfectly. @pompompurin do you know the size of the Gen case tube versus a raffles?

 

[Rolexmike69]

For sanding the rehaut should I use higher grit sand paper (400 and up)? I feel like the sanding drum I have on my Dremel is too coarse and might ruin the opening (I guess it's like 80 grit). Thank you and sorry if these questions might be dumb, but I'm a novice in franken builds

It’s not dumb… I’m learning we’re all learning. I’d have to look at the grit that’s on the sanding drum I have. I know it’s not super coarse.

 

[VintageSubEnjoyer]

For sanding the rehaut should I use higher grit sand paper (400 and up)? I feel like the sanding drum I have on my Dremel is too coarse and might ruin the opening (I guess it's like 80 grit). Thank you and sorry if these questions might be dumb, but I'm a novice in franken builds

would advise against the 80 grit and only widen as needed. I have the same index dial you do on one of my builds and widening of the rehaut was NOT needed. Lume plots are tight but it fits.

 

[VintageSubEnjoyer]

For sanding the rehaut should I use higher grit sand paper (400 and up)? I feel like the sanding drum I have on my Dremel is too coarse and might ruin the opening (I guess it's like 80 grit). Thank you and sorry if these questions might be dumb, but I'm a novice in franken builds