The Right To Bear Arms

[mzcool]

Do you know why the bad guys rob people at the car rental return? Because they know that the people returning their rental vehicles are not "locals"...rather tourists.....and therefore not armed....Florida residents are permitted to carry concealed weapons....the bad guys are merely picking on those that they know can't fight back.

This was well documented several years ago when Florida's concealed carry law went into effect.

And how many times, would you please tell me, has a concealed weapon saved someone from their car being stolen, in Florida. Show me some stats.

 

[KBH]

This is so much BS.

I, like many other normal people have several guns in my house but I don't walk around the house with a loaded pistol nor sleep with one under my pillow. If someone tried to kick in my front door they'd need a sledgehammer, although they could get in through the back doors easy enough.

My guns are all in gun cases, as they should be, in one room and the ammunition is nowhere close to them. Neither my wife nor any grandchildren could ever get at them together and hurt someone. Nor could I ever get to them in time to load them and save myself from a home invasion robbery. But I'm still pretty damn sure that the odds are much more in my favor that someone would shoot themselves by accident if they were loaded and readily available long before I needed them for self defense.

If you live in an area that you're worried about home invasions, you should eithe stop selling drugs or move to a better neighborhood. And, I doubt many of the members here are really in that type of neighborhood. If you are, I trulyfeel sorry for you and apologize for my lack of sympathy.

But in case of a zombie apocalypse, I'll be more than ready.

 

[mzcool]

Not to mention, that in 99% of cases, home invasions only end up with the burglars being arrested themselves.

We have cops for a reason.

 

[trailboss99]

Not to mention, that in 99% of cases, home invasions only end up with the burglars being arrested themselves.

Mate, where the hell did you get that stat from? It's wrong, very much so.

 

[mzcool]

Mate, where the hell did you get that stat from? It's wrong, very much so.

I meant 99% figuratively. Either way, a majority of the time, no one is seriously hurt and the perp is caught. Adding another gun to the equation doesn't help, it only increases the risk of the home owner getting hurt. Most cops would tell you that when you are in a dangerous situation, you should listen to the perpetrator, because its your life you are putting on the line, and that material objects arent worth risking your life over.

 

[i_like_shiney_things]

This is so much BS.

I, like many other normal people have several guns in my house but I don't walk around the house with a loaded pistol nor sleep with one under my pillow. If someone tried to kick in my front door they'd need a sledgehammer, although they could get in through the back doors easy enough.

My guns are all in gun cases, as they should be, in one room and the ammunition is nowhere close to them. Neither my wife nor any grandchildren could ever get at them together and hurt someone. Nor could I ever get to them in time to load them and save myself from a home invasion robbery. But I'm still pretty damn sure that the odds are much more in my favor that someone would shoot themselves by accident if they were loaded and readily available long before I needed them for self defense.

If you live in an area that you're worried about home invasions, you should eithe stop selling drugs or move to a better neighborhood. And, I doubt many of the members here are really in that type of neighborhood. If you are, I trulyfeel sorry for you and apologize for my lack of sympathy.

But in case of a zombie apocalypse, I'll be more than ready.

Surely bladed weapons would be better for the zombie apocalypse in case you couldn't get more ammo... or at least a combination of these and guns

I really like the point one of our members made a few posts back along the lines of 'the right to bear arms but not to bear whatever kind of arms you want'. Since the vast majority of comments here, not all of course, are centering around defending yourself or your home then surely a pistol would suffice? If you feel you need an assault rifle, a heavy machine gun or a bazooka to defend yourself then I agree with the previous poster and I really would move asap

The NRA for me is the one largest factor that makes non Americans looking at your gun laws think all Americans are gun crazy six shooting lunatics (not my opinion here please note). The one association has created an image, and solely based on their desire to maintain and increase revenue/profits, that regardless of how guns are used and by who they will still defend their rights to have them.

Even if the gun laws in America were the same but the NRA didn't exist and didn't say such dumb things at times I believe that people would comment far less on US gun laws... take this as an example just after the Sandy Hook Massacre, Newman states that he believes all schools should have guns, even suggesting that teachers be armed... would you really want your child growing up in a system where they are so unsafe that their kindergarten teacher has to carry a gun?

The chief executive said this... “Why should I or the NRA go sit down with a group of people that have spent a lifetime trying to destroy the Second Amendment in the United States?†This was in response to the government simply asking for meetings to discuss possibilities. The NRA could have attended and simply said 'no, we don't agree' but the sheer arrogance to not even be willing to listen amazes me!

Keep your guns, keep the same laws but at the very least consider what impact the NRA is having on your external image They are not there to support you in the second amendment... they are there to make sure the big companies keep the money rolling in

"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." ~ Second Amendment, U.S. Constitution

Once again... amazing that we are able to have this conversation without the personal insults etc that I assumed would have the thread closed within a day. It has been genuinely interesting and insightful for me.
Thank you to all who have taken part

 

[mzcool]

Surely bladed weapons would be better for the zombie apocalypse in case you couldn't get more ammo... or at least a combination of these and guns

I really like the point one of our members made a few posts back along the lines of 'the right to bear arms but not to bear whatever kind of arms you want'. Since the vast majority of comments here, not all of course, are centering around defending yourself or your home then surely a pistol would suffice? If you feel you need an assault rifle, a heavy machine gun or a bazooka to defend yourself then I agree with the previous poster and I really would move asap

The NRA for me is the one largest factor that makes non Americans looking at your gun laws think all Americans are gun crazy six shooting lunatics (not my opinion here please note). The one association has created an image, and solely based on their desire to maintain and increase revenue/profits, that regardless of how guns are used and by who they will still defend their rights to have them.

Even if the gun laws in America were the same but the NRA didn't exist and didn't say such dumb things at times I believe that people would comment far less on US gun laws... take this as an example just after the Sandy Hook Massacre, Newman states that he believes all schools should have guns, even suggesting that teachers be armed... would you really want your child growing up in a system where they are so unsafe that their kindergarten teacher has to carry a gun?

The chief executive said this... “Why should I or the NRA go sit down with a group of people that have spent a lifetime trying to destroy the Second Amendment in the United States?†This was in response to the government simply asking for meetings to discuss possibilities. The NRA could have attended and simply said 'no, we don't agree' but the sheer arrogance to not even be willing to listen amazes me!

Keep your guns, keep the same laws but at the very least consider what impact the NRA is having on your external image They are not there to support you in the second amendment... they are there to make sure the big companies keep the money rolling in

"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." ~ Second Amendment, U.S. Constitution

Once again... amazing that we are able to have this conversation without the personal insults etc that I assumed would have the thread closed within a day. It has been genuinely interesting and insightful for me.
Thank you to all who have taken part

They really should have released the crime scene photos from Newtown, I think that if the American public saw what these "home-defending" rifles did to those kids (bad enough stuff that one of the Newtown cops is too traumatized to return to work a year later), we wouldn't be having this debate.

The NRA is a terrible organization, I consider them domestic terrorists. I feel that people follow them because there really isn't an alternative for gun owners, and there needs to be one.

Someone needs to put Wayne LaPierre face to face with the parents of all of the kids that died in Newtown and the teens that died at VA Tech at Columbine and have him spew his bullshit to them and see what happens.

 

[Luthier]

This is so much BS.

I, like many other normal people have several guns in my house but I don't walk around the house with a loaded pistol nor sleep with one under my pillow. If someone tried to kick in my front door they'd need a sledgehammer, although they could get in through the back doors easy enough.

My guns are all in gun cases, as they should be, in one room and the ammunition is nowhere close to them. Neither my wife nor any grandchildren could ever get at them together and hurt someone. Nor could I ever get to them in time to load them and save myself from a home invasion robbery. But I'm still pretty damn sure that the odds are much more in my favor that someone would shoot themselves by accident if they were loaded and readily available long before I needed them for self defense.

If you live in an area that you're worried about home invasions, you should eithe stop selling drugs or move to a better neighborhood. And, I doubt many of the members here are really in that type of neighborhood. If you are, I trulyfeel sorry for you and apologize for my lack of sympathy.

But in case of a zombie apocalypse, I'll be more than ready.

Why you need guns in the first place then???
I live in the area, where people don't even lock the house, when they go for shopping, and never lock the cars. Zero crime. Bu I have one gun under my pillow, another one near entrance door, and two others hidden in other rooms. All with ammo. Why? JUST IN FAKING CASE. Because you never know. So, better be ready, than dead. Oh, and I also have a German Shepperd.

 

[i_like_shiney_things]

I don't understand that logic at all? You live in a place with 'zero crime' but you feel the need to keep three loaded and unsecured guns around your home.

Here is a perfect example of why gun laws need to change... very recently a young black woman crashed her car in America, injured and confused she knocks on someone's door looking for help... the man in the house feels 'threatened' and shoots her in the face with a shotgun! He now claims, under legal statutes, that what he did was perfectly acceptable since he acted whilst 'fearing for his life'.

Can that ever be defended?


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[Alex_P1]

This is so much BS.

I, like many other normal people have several guns in my house but I don't walk around the house with a loaded pistol nor sleep with one under my pillow. If someone tried to kick in my front door they'd need a sledgehammer, although they could get in through the back doors easy enough.

My guns are all in gun cases, as they should be, in one room and the ammunition is nowhere close to them. Neither my wife nor any grandchildren could ever get at them together and hurt someone. Nor could I ever get to them in time to load them and save myself from a home invasion robbery. But I'm still pretty damn sure that the odds are much more in my favor that someone would shoot themselves by accident if they were loaded and readily available long before I needed them for self defense.

If you live in an area that you're worried about home invasions, you should eithe stop selling drugs or move to a better neighborhood. And, I doubt many of the members here are really in that type of neighborhood. If you are, I trulyfeel sorry for you and apologize for my lack of sympathy.

But in case of a zombie apocalypse, I'll be more than ready.

+100, the true voice of common sence and responsible ownership. I really hope (and do believe) that this is the normal attitute towards firearm ownership in the US.

 

[Luthier]

I don't understand that logic at all? You live in a place with 'zero crime' but you feel the need to keep three loaded and unsecured guns around your home.

Here is a perfect example of why gun laws need to change... very recently a young black woman crashed her car in America, injured and confused she knocks on someone's door looking for help... the man in the house feels 'threatened' and shoots her in the face with a shotgun! He now claims, under legal statutes, that what he did was perfectly acceptable since he acted whilst 'fearing for his life'.

Can that ever be defended?


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Beverly Hills and Bel Air are most prestigious areas in Los Angeles. Until recently it was safest places on Earth. Until recently. Now people there keep guns near. Got an idea?

 

[i_like_shiney_things]

Because they know that more and more people have guns and there are no restrictions on having one no matter how unstable you are?

But in seriousness what is your take on this as mentioned previously... "Here is a perfect example of why gun laws need to change... very recently a young black woman crashed her car in America, injured and confused she knocks on someone's door looking for help... the man in the house feels 'threatened' and shoots her in the face with a shotgun! He now claims, under legal statutes, that what he did was perfectly acceptable since he acted whilst 'fearing for his life'."

 

[trailboss99]

Mate an knobend like that probably would have smashed her skull with a baseball bat in the absence of a shotgun. I for one hope his weak ass defense is cut to shreds as it deserves.

 

[i_like_shiney_things]

Mate an knobend like that probably would have smashed her skull with a baseball bat in the absence of a shotgun. I for one hope his weak ass defense is cut to shreds as it deserves.

The thing is if he didn't have that gun he more than likely wouldn't have opened the door... this is the kind of person that I believe makes a change to gun laws of incredible importance. He claims that he 'accidentally' shot her in the face but at the same time that 'he feared for his life at the time'... which of these is it? If he's claiming 'stand your ground' law then why say it was an accident. if was an accident why try to use that law. It seems to me that he's just covering all bases to try and make sure that he gets away with shooting an unarmed teenager in the face.

To all the Americans participating in this thread... you call consider yourself, and more than likely are, responsible gun owners. If a young girl, regardless of colour, knocked on your door asking for help would the first thing you did be to point a loaded shotgun at her face?

This is the kind of person that needs to be kept away from guns, sharp pointed objects and ideally the rest of the general population.

Strangely the NRA has refused to give any comment on this so far... I was kind of expecting them to jump straight in and defend this 54 year old retard

 

[Luthier]

"This is the kind of person that needs to be kept away from guns, sharp pointed objects and ideally the rest of the general population."

Finally, sane words.

So, as you just proved, the problem is not a gun, but psycho. And I'm 100% agree with you. As Col. correctly said - he would kill her with baseball bat or knife, or 4lbs wrench.
Psycho is a psycho.

 

[Alex_P1]

"This is the kind of person that needs to be kept away from guns, sharp pointed objects and ideally the rest of the general population."

Finally, sane words.

So, as you just proved, the problem is not a gun, but psycho. And I'm 100% agree with you. As Col. correctly said - he would kill her with baseball bat or knife, or 4lbs wrench.
Psycho is a psycho.

Agree with you here my friend

 

[KBH]

"This is the kind of person that needs to be kept away from guns, sharp pointed objects and ideally the rest of the general population."

Finally, sane words.

So, as you just proved, the problem is not a gun, but psycho. And I'm 100% agree with you. As Col. correctly said - he would kill her with baseball bat or knife, or 4lbs wrench.
Psycho is a psycho.

First of all, it's a lot easier to run away from a knife or a baseball bat than it is from a bullet. Especially when you're on the other side of a door. Secondly, the man would have to leave the safety of his house and come outside to stab or bludgeon that poor girl. He'd have to look her in the eye and due it with malice and intent. There would be no way to justify his actions.

Also, you state,"the problem is not a gun, but psycho." Absolutely wrong! The problem is a psycho with a gun and why he was allowed to own it.

And back to this rampant fear of home invasions. Almost all home invasions are for a specific reason. They are very unlikely to be random acts of violence. In many instances they are drug related in search of the stash or money. In others, they are by bad guys following someone home who has flaunted that large chunk of jewelry or a solid gold watch. They are mostly done with a reason and a purpose. So you'll all be better off putting your gun somewhere safe and just being more aware of your surroundings and don't become a target.

 

[Alex_P1]

The problem is a psycho with a gun and why he was allowed to own it.

+100 on this, it is what I thought Luther meant!

 

[trailboss99]

It was what Luth meant.

 

[i_like_shiney_things]

So surely by that rationale you are agreeing that America needs stricter gun control?