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The Right To Bear Arms

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I sat in a class for a few hours. Then, I went and shot a paper target. Afterwards, I drove to the court house and handed a few hundred bucks to this lady, and now I have a CCW.


This lady, pretty much.
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So..

Figure that, I'm sane (relatively speaking). I had to go through all of that. The insane people simply steal one, or buy one in a brown paper lunch sack in Tampa somewhere. They come into your house, shoot everyone, make a sammich and watch TV with your corpses on the floor. Leftover sammich, and maybe even an earlobe or momento go's back into that same paper lunch sack, for later. As non chelant as you and I sip tea.

That's why I have a gun.
 
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Luthier said:
One crazy idiot in China entered kindergarten and killed something around 20 kids and few adults by knife. Go figure.
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Are you talking about this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-outside-primary-school-Chinese-knifeman.html

None of them died.

Compared to Sandy Hook, when a crazy idiot killed 20 kids and 6 adults with a Bushmaster assault rifle.

bradj said:
A hammer or knife in the hands of a determined(crazy) person can kill a handful of people no different than a gun.

Its just an invalid point that high capacity guns are the root of the problem. AR-15, 9mm pistol, 6 shot revolver... not mater what, you can do a lot of harm with any gun that can be reloaded in a second or two.

The right to bear arms is the right to bear arms, this country has bigger problems to solve than getting ride of AR-15's, high capacity magazines etc.
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When was the last time a hammer or a knife killed 20 people?

PG4TR, the shooter at the Navy Yard had a legally bought gun that he used, and as I said before, the shooter at VA Tech legally owned his guns. So obviously there is something wrong when people with psychologically unsound records are able to buy guns. Luth is right, people should have to be evaluated by a certified psychologist before being able to get a licence to buy a weapon.

Thats never going to happen though, because the NRA is going to claim its a plot between the liberal elitist psychologists to deny law abiding citizens their AR-15s.
 
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bradj said:
A hammer or knife in the hands of a determined(crazy) person can kill a handful of people no different than a gun.

Its just an invalid point that high capacity guns are the root of the problem. AR-15, 9mm pistol, 6 shot revolver... not mater what, you can do a lot of harm with any gun that can be reloaded in a second or two.

The right to bear arms is the right to bear arms, this country has bigger problems to solve than getting ride of AR-15's, high capacity magazines etc.
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If a lunatic wants to inflict injury or death then of course they will find a way regardless of if they can get hold of a gun... I really have to strongly disagree with the comment though brad "A hammer or knife in the hands of a determined(crazy) person can kill a handful of people no different than a gun" a gun will always be considerably more lethal than a hammer or a knife.
 
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mzcool said:
Are you talking about this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-outside-primary-school-Chinese-knifeman.html

None of them died.

Compared to Sandy Hook, when a crazy idiot killed 20 kids and 6 adults with a Bushmaster assault rifle.



When was the last time a hammer or a knife killed 20 people?

PG4TR, the shooter at the Navy Yard had a legally bought gun that he used, and as I said before, the shooter at VA Tech legally owned his guns. So obviously there is something wrong when people with psychologically unsound records are able to buy guns. Luth is right, people should have to be evaluated by a certified psychologist before being able to get a licence to buy a weapon.

Thats never going to happen though, because the NRA is going to claim its a plot between the liberal elitist psychologists to deny law abiding citizens their AR-15s.
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A hammer or a knife has never killed 20 people.. and neither has an AR15. It takes a person to use these tools for something other than what they were designed for to kill. Just like a car plowing into a crowd of people.

A gun is a gun.. When I hear you use a term like "bushmaster assault rifle" I can tell you know nothing about guns, so its really not worth arguing.

I have a AR-15 and I use it to control wild hog and coyote population. I could give a **** less if you think I NEED it or not. It serves the purpose I use it for.
 
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bradj said:
A hammer or a knife has never killed 20 people.. and neither has an AR15. It takes a person to use these tools for something other than what they were designed for to kill. Just like a car plowing into a crowd of people.

A gun is a gun.. When I hear you use a term like "bushmaster assault rifle" I can tell you know nothing about guns, so its really not worth arguing.

I have a AR-15 and I use it to control wild hog and coyote population. I could give a **** less if you think I NEED it or not. It serves the purpose I use it for.
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Somehow wild hog and coyote population were controlled before AR-15s were available, I'm sure. You may use it for hunting, but the main purpose of a gun like that is to kill people.

Of course it takes a person to use it to kill people, just like it takes a person to make and use a bomb, that doesn't mean that bombs should be legal.

And once again, would you please tell me the last time someone used a car to plow into a crowd and kill a large amount of people, intentionally.
 
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What a hot topic for different people, everyone has a point of view on this.

Look, either you like guns and have a need for them or you don't. If you like them buy them, if you don't then don't seems pretty clear to me. Also I think right to carry is the way to go, it greatly reduces crime, and gives you the option to protect yourself if needed.
 
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mzcool said:
Somehow wild hog and coyote population were controlled before AR-15s were available, I'm sure. You may use it for hunting, but the main purpose of a gun like that is to kill people.

Of course it takes a person to use it to kill people, just like it takes a person to make and use a bomb, that doesn't mean that bombs should be legal.

And once again, would you please tell me the last time someone used a car to plow into a crowd and kill a large amount of people, intentionally.
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It happens all the time.. just google "person drives into crowd of people"... but thats not really the point.

People have been using semi auto rifles for decades to control nusiance animals. For some reason you just assume the AR-15 is the only semiauto rifle out there. Should all semi automatic rifles be banned? Semi Auto Shotguns? How about semi auto pistols? How about 6 shot revolvers?

Whats your thoughts on the Mini-14? Its a ranch rifle.. and just as capable as an AR-15.

But my opinion as well as your opinion is just like an asshole.. everybody has one. Don't buy guns if you don't like them.

A little static to chew on.. From 1993 to 2011, about 70% to 80% of firearm homicides and 90% of nonfatal firearm victimizations were committed with a handgun.

Oh and on mass murder... how about cigarettes...
 
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Phil, I was 17 when the handgun reclassification happened and had only just started shooting Practical Pistol, so only really remember it in terms of the reaction of other club members.

What stands out to me was that the UK NRA simply didn't seem to think anything would happen until it was too late, and the majority of shooters felt the same way. I remember people being amazed that they were actually going to have to hand their guns in.

I'm not sure how active you still are as a shooter, however, it is my impression that the organisations are much more 'aligned' now and savvy to potential threats. The NSRA have actually managed to elicit retractions of articles in The Sun without sounding like gun-nut weirdos!

I you want to recapture a lot of what you enjoyed of the sport, give gallery rifle a go, competing with my .357 is almost as good fun as my .40 was and is very accessible.

Cheers,

Alex
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First my appologies for going slightly of topic but, I like talking guns.
Prior to the ban I owned a Wesson Arms Yellow Boy in 38spl that one of my sons and myself used for western shooting.
Here's Richard on the range, about 1992

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After our guns were taken away I bought and had customized a Ruger 10/22. I was a nice rifle and I used it to shoot a modified Bianchi and PP1
I also used the Yellow Boy for these comps.

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I also bought a long barreled single action to try these comps, it was faster than the Yellow Boy as you could thumb slip the hammer.


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I soon realised for me the passion had gone from shooting, I was and always will be a pistol shooter. For 20yrs I shared some great times with my kids and friends on many ranges in England. Just to make you smile here's some pictures from our Western style shooting.


My # 2 son on the left, then me.

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This is the bunch of friends I shot with. The guy on the right in red is Pete Moore who still writes and edits Gun Mart

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My babies. :D:


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I'm still a member of the EBSC gun club and try and get to Bisley a couple of times a year.


Enjoy you shooting, Phil

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Looks like the Texas Rangers....or maybe the Jesse James gang :D:

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KBH said:
The problem is guns getting into the hands of psychos....
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The more "normal" people who have guns to protect themselves from psychos, the fewer psychos left to have guns.
 
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I do understand peoples point that if people really want to kill then they will always find a way... what I don't understand is those same peoples views that guns don't make it easier ;)
 
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Guns definitely make it easier. But we have 2nd Amendment, and nobody will disarm americans, EVER. Psychos pull out the guns only, if they are sure, that nobody else have a gun. If a few people in that movie theater had a guns - result will be way different. Killing by guns is much higher in "guns free" zones, I'm sure, you know it.
 
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Luthier said:
Killing by guns is much higher in "guns free" zones, I'm sure, you know it.
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That's a slightly dubious claim unless you clarify that you are talking about America and not in general ;)

Countries in general with incredibly tight gun control have less gun crime than those with lesser gun control laws.
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