The Battle Has Already Begun

[philwongnz]

As far as I understood, "Super Rep" is defined by a knowledgeable person taking a close look at the watch in his hands. If the caseback is closed, a non-clone movement isn't an argument against it being a Super Rep. Of course, a, R factory watchmaker in Geneva will always see the difference - clone movement or not...

Please accept that many customers prefer an Asian ETA clone for reliability and easy replacement + service in the future.

100% agree with you! We all can have our own definition of "super clone", but when the watch doesn't work and you can't get spare parts is called a paper weight. With close case back and if you don't mind the difference in the crown height, I can't see an issue of people buying the 2824 version instead when they know if anything breaks you can simply buy another movement, let it be Asian or ETA.

You don't have to look far for some clone movements issues, the 3KF tear down shows it is poorly assembled. My very own noob 4130 stopped working on the 3rd day, luckily enough it was only surface rust on the movement as if there was rust we can't remove, I'm going to have a good time finding spare parts for it - since we all know noob as exclusivity on the movement and there are no nearest substitute when you prefer a fully working chrono vs an ARF.



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[nsiedzac]

As far as I understood, "Super Rep" is defined by a knowledgeable person taking a close look at the watch in his hands. If the caseback is closed, a non-clone movement isn't an argument against it being a Super Rep. Of course, a, R factory watchmaker in Geneva will always see the difference - clone movement or not...

Please accept that many customers prefer an Asian ETA clone for reliability and easy replacement + service in the future.

We should get this R factory to do reps. They would be awesome

 

[YellowFin]

100% agree with you! We all can have our own definition of "super clone", but when the watch doesn't work and you can't get spare parts is called a paper weight. With close case back and if you don't mind the difference in the crown height, I can't see an issue of people buying the 2824 version instead when they know if anything breaks you can simply buy another movement, let it be Asian or ETA.

Fortunately, the days of wrong crown height are gone, as RXF fixed it in their 116610LN. Not sure how they did it though as no one else could do it before...?

 

[puretime]

Pic from ARF, will be getting it in 2 days

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[Cadows]

As far as I understood, "Super Rep" is defined by a knowledgeable person taking a close look at the watch in his hands. If the caseback is closed, a non-clone movement isn't an argument against it being a Super Rep. Of course, a, R factory watchmaker in Geneva will always see the difference - clone movement or not...

Please accept that many customers prefer an Asian ETA clone for reliability and easy replacement + service in the future.

I get you. For me, if your setting the time opposite to GEN its not a super rep. Also, my opinion that super rep can be only if EVERYTHING is the same as GEN.

 

[Cadows]

Pic from ARF, will be getting it in 2 days

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Is this GEN they bought or what????

 

[puretime]

Is this GEN they bought or what????

What else does it look like to you haha?

Yeah it is the gen they bought.

 

[Cadows]

What else does it look like to you haha?

Yeah it is the gen they bought.

Well the DW looks a bit fat from this angle so I thought it could be a AR prototype haha

 

[WatchMeSailor]

The movements are not made by the watch makers, the watch makers got the movements from the movement factories and when there are any problems with the movements and the maker only needs to return the movements to the movement factories so the maker doesn’t have the movement spare parts. It doesn’t mean they can’t get any parts, they might be able to get some but the maker won’t do this all the time. So this is not a good solution, still hope they can make reliable clone movements


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Great intel, thank you!


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[Sdc83]

I get you. For me, if your setting the time opposite to GEN its not a super rep. Also, my opinion that super rep can be only if EVERYTHING is the same as GEN.

you're right but a rep service shouldn't cost as much as a gen service. It is a fact that repairing an asian 2824/2836 is cheaper than repairing a 3135 clone, as is replacing it with a new movement. not all consumers want to spend that much money on a rep, buying gen parts to install. And let us remember that even a Franken is always a replica; a super replica but always replica.

 

[puretime]

Well the DW looks a bit fat from this angle so I thought it could be a AR prototype haha

LOL prototype in 10 days?

 

[SHB]

Looking forward to it

 

[Hidenjoy]

Pic from ARF, will be getting it in 2 days

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So this is the picture of my future watch hahha the progenitor of thousands of sons !!!!

The patient 0 !

 

[LordElrond]

Tell them to take their time... 2 weeks more is less than the usual shipping time but changing a bad product is worse!

And please... focus on a perfect rehaut engraving it cannot be resolved/frankened in any other way than by the factory!

 

[YellowFin]

Tell them to take their time... 2 weeks more is less than the usual shipping time but changing a bad product is worse!

And please... focus on a perfect rehaut engraving it cannot be resolved/frankened in any other way than by the factory!

Luckily, the factories are quite experienced with the "double line" look. Some avoided to get rid of it to this day in their 116610LNs. Who knew Rolex would go back to this engraving style in 2020?

 

[peppercorn]

Well the DW looks a bit fat from this angle so I thought it could be a AR prototype haha

This one slipped past QC, the rep will address this DW ‘issue’ .....????


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[mari115]

Yes please, if they want to step up their game they MUST do a proper black hole crystal, it's the main tell in EVERY rep. I hope they manage to fix it ASAP.

Good black hole and good halo effect

 

[tribal]

If u in touch with ARF than please talk about their weird Datewheel too.
Maybe they need to change their supplier.
Also it's better to use the VR movements in their clone movement watches.
Just my 2 cents!

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[Cadows]

Oh and tell them to make Daytona V3

 

[kennygconspiracy]

Yes please, if they want to step up their game they MUST do a proper black hole crystal, it's the main tell in EVERY rep. I hope they manage to fix it ASAP.

Good black hole and good halo effect

VSF already fixed this though. Their crystal is absolutely top notch, and I'd stake my reputation on it being equivalent to gen, bearing in mind some gens have a blue tint and some don't.

By the way, they stopped individually selling their crystal. They did for a few days but after word got out that it was extremely popular and on par with gen, they cockblocked single sales.

Think of the Noob BLRO insert. The ONLY reason to buy that watch. They never sell it individually.

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