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The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread

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the hands are fine. It's on the dial that it does not hold.

I think I need indeed to let it dry longer. Also, i don't have furniture swipe at hand, so I used woodfloor cleaner 😂
probab'y need to dilute
 

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NOW GO BACK AND DO THEM AGAIN THIS INSTANT!
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This thread has evolved from "I really like these tradiationally under the radar watches, anyone else?" to "This is how you build a complete watch from a block of scrap steel using simple hand tools..."

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you will notice that there is the 1016 Brotherhood mostly here 😂

I can picture all of us doing bizarre experiment with our partners looking up suspiciously at our workbench and wondering why the hell we are buying random chemicals and artist tools
 

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you will notice that there is the 1016 Brotherhood mostly here 😂

I can picture all of us doing bizarre experiment with our partners looking up suspiciously at our workbench and wondering why the hell we are buying random chemicals and artist tools
I was showing off my first gilt dial to the girlfriend last night, and showing her pictures of genuine ones to show how accurate it was. She made the comment that I missed my calling as an art forger or counterfeiter. I really couldn't argue, lol.
 

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the hands are fine. It's on the dial that it does not hold.

I think I need indeed to let it dry longer. Also, i don't have furniture swipe at hand, so I used woodfloor cleaner 😂
probab'y need to dilute
This is a Raffles dial, right?
If so, remove any paint that has found it's way on to the black of the doial and then let the colour dry out -
Then, do the very light swipe of the polish, (Furniture, floor or otherwise)
If it is NOT a Raffles dial - stop, and check with others as I think the Raffles dial is bomb-proof but not Yuki's or others.
 
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I was showing off my first gilt dial to the girlfriend last night, and showing her pictures of genuine ones to show how accurate it was. She made the comment that I missed my calling as an art forger or counterfeiter. I really couldn't argue, lol.
well she is wrong...you already are a forger and counterfeiter...isn't this the whole point of this hobby? 🤔
 

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This is a Raffles dial, right?
If so, remove any paint that has found it's way on to the black of the doial and then let the colour dry out -
Then, do the very light swipe of the polish, (Furniture, floor or otherwise)
If it is NOT a Raffles dial - stop, and check with others as I think the Raffles dial is bomb-proof but not Yuki's or others.
it's a Raffles. I am a cheapo guy
 
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I was showing off my first gilt dial to the girlfriend last night, and showing her pictures of genuine ones to show how accurate it was. She made the comment that I missed my calling as an art forger or counterfeiter. I really couldn't argue, lol.
ITs never too late to chance your dreams , now that you mention it , I am considering a career switch lol
 
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it's a Raffles. I am a cheapo guy
I have to say, even side by side with gen and the "better" rep dials, Raffles holds its own and compares favorably...and when you factor in price, it's a no-brainer. Especially on something like a vintage Explorer or Sub, which has seen hundreds of minor variations over its production run, it's amazingly accurate. One could have an entire watch collection of nothing but Explorers and probably have more watches than most collectors.

The best thing about them is they're a great starting point to modify (or to learn to modify). I can't really see the value added in getting a "better" dial, personally, although I have done so, I admit.

Spending 3-20 (or more) times as much only gets you about a 10% improvement, and it's an improvement that you can generally replicate with some aging using cheap, simple to use materials. Hell, even going from Raffles to gen is not visibly a huge difference, unless the one examining the watch is a savant with a loupe and a stack of reference materials handy. And you could probably get a beater gen Explorer for what some gen 1016 dials are selling for, lol.

If you're trying to exactly match the sunburst on a Patek or AP dial for a specific model, you might get better value going with a higher end rep. If you're trying to make a vintage Rolex look like something that was used (and sometimes abused) for 50-75 years, Raffles and Cartel are very hard to beat.

Precisely matching the dial on a 126610, for example, is harder to do...the dials are more complicated and there are very few deviations from the norm...any inaccuracies are immediately obvious. Matching the dial on a 5513 or 1016, on the other hand, which have seen different dial textures, fonts, colors, layouts, hands, cases, and has genuine examples that range from "looks like it just came from the AD yesterday" to "looks like someone found it scuba diving in a salt marsh, after being serviced by the local clock shop and parts replaced with whatever was handy" gives a lot of wiggle room. Heck, many collectors can't even decide if the Explorer Date was actually made at the factory, or a limited run of aftermarket dials for a specific retailer. Or if the Commando was sold at Abercrombie and Fitch...or military bases...or both...or neither... For a time, the Space Dweller arguably didn't exist...until it did.

You could mix and match almost any case and Explorer dial that Raffles offers, and it would probably match SOMETHING that was once sold at a Rolex dealer, at some point, over the last 70 years, lol.
 

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Honestly, I am not able to see the diff on pics between a Raffles dial or a Yuki/VN.
Knowing that anyway, we are aging them, I prefer to have fun with Raffles/Cartel.
I would be stressed to manipulate a 100+ dial. Maybe I will get there later in my endeavours.

ok. I have stored the dial and hands to let them dry. I don't have good enough light to take pics. Later this week.

what do you guys have inbound?
I have this 1016,
and awaiting delivery of a 5513 that I am making for practice
plus also a Omega Constellation Pan Pie vintage, to mix up things a bit. The case is 38mm so far from the 34mm gen but close enough to the Jumbo (37mm)
 
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I am seriously researching the idea of grabbing a 34mm Air king and "Explorer-ising" it. Really fancy getting hold of an original movement (1520, 1570) and doing a service on it.

Otherwise, still enjoying this.
This is what my early experiments in watercolours yielded. I've since toned it down a lot.

 

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I keep wanting to do a 14060M - had a Gen back in the day - but there really aern't any options as it was such odd specs - 39mm case, etc.
Perhaps I will do a 5513 as well just to scratch that itch.
 

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I’ve re lumed hands previously to achieve a more vintage look but this water colour approach looks a lot more straightforward I also like the idea of using different tones within the lume plot to be achieve a more authentic look

My only question would be what’s the longevity of the colour do you think it would stand up to UV over time ?
 
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I’ve re lumed hands previously to achieve a more vintage look but this water colour approach looks a lot more straightforward I also like the idea of using different tones within the lume plot to be achieve a more authentic look

My only question would be what’s the longevity of the colour do you think it would stand up to UV over time ?
I couldn't say about longevity but no reason it wouldn't last for quite some time. I have watercolour paintings on the walls of my home that have been there for years and haven't faded and the beauty of the hands/ dials is you can redo them anyway if they do or you decide you want a different effect/ hue.
And that gives us an excuse to tinker - as if we need one!
I later toned down to give my Raffles dial and hanbds a more NOS look anyway.

 
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you will notice that there is the 1016 Brotherhood mostly here 😂

I can picture all of us doing bizarre experiment with our partners looking up suspiciously at our workbench and wondering why the hell we are buying random chemicals and artist tools
We need a 1016 Thread Banner - they have one for the BiG Crown Thread. Something like "Brethren Of The 1016".

One of the advantages of a long and (mostly) happy marriage is my wife has learned to basically not ask what I'm ordering online or doing at the bench. She's learned that any inquiry will be met with either a blank stare or, worse for her, in her opinion; a short lecture entitled something like; "How Patina effects different metals and luminous materials".
All I have to do in return is NEVER raid her household cleaners and items and, her makeup stuff (some great colours and materials for all sorts of projects there) That is absolutely a "no go".
I've learned that the hard way too!
 
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I couldn't say about longevity but no reason it wouldn't last for quite some time. I have watercolour paintings on the walls of my home that have been there for years and haven't faded and the beauty of the hands/ dials is you can redo them anyway if they do or you decide you want a different effect/ hue.
And that gives us an excuse to tinker - as if we need one!
I later toned down to give my Raffles dial and hanbds a more NOS look anyway.

I gave my case a 1 min shake in a box of coins. It no longer looks OOTB, now it looks "old but cared for". Looking at your bezel, I will need to do that too as it's unassembled at the moment. I bought one from @1016 lover