The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread

[369mafia]

How do you think it compares to Raffles cases?

looks identical to the ruby case. I assume there are only so many factories that make them and then these resellers source from them and sell to us.

these are pics I got from bivintage

 

[316lad]

looks identical to the ruby case. I assume there are only so many factories that make them and then these resellers source from them and sell to us.

these are pics I got from bivintage

Have you got a link to bvintage's ebay shop please?

 

[316lad]

Found this cool ad. I remember lots of these types of adverts about resilience of products in an age of pioneering 1970'2. Parker Pens did a lot of them too - like "My Parker fell out of the cockpit window, was run over by the right main landing gear and still wrote!" sort of thing.
Great stuff.

 

[Adam123]

Have you got a link to bvintage's ebay shop please?

Are we allowed to post ebay hyperlink ??

Search bivintagestore2014 and you will find it..

 

[316lad]

Are we allowed to post ebay hyperlink ??

Search bivintagestore2014 and you will find it..

Great. Thank you.

 

[369mafia]

Have you got a link to bvintage's ebay shop please?

bivintagestore2014 on eBay

Follow bivintagestore2014 on eBay. Buying, Selling, Collecting on eBay has never been more exciting!

www.ebay.ca

You can reach out to him on ebay and he can provide other ways to contact you if he doesnt have what you are looking for listed on his shop

 

[phatkat]

After lurking for quite some time. I've purchased parts for my first build! Thank you everyone here, for the wealth of information. I will do some build updates as parts come in and document what I am doing for the next person. I have enjoyed seeing others do the same.

Parts
Raffles:
Acrylic crystal case
20mm rivet style oyster
Silver hands with white lume
Explorer dial with super white lume

Ali Express -
NH35 Movement
Sub dial, black with white lume
Silver hands with white lume - identical to those from raffles.

Tools:
Ali express:
5x loop
Hand setting tools
Amazon:
Rodico
Cheapo 150 piece watch tool set

As this is my first watch build I will do an initial build-up with the aliexpress dial and hands as these should be drop-ins with the movement and case. Wear that for a bit then upgrade with the raffles dial, which will require gluing, T21 crystal, and whatever else catches my eye in the meantime.


I do plan to shape and "age" the case and bracelet when they arrive in a few days. As of now I just plan to look at some reference photos and go at it with a file/rotary tool.
Any tips on this would be appreciated.

I believe I will need to broach the raffles second hand to fit on the NH movement. Has anyone had luck with this?

I'll be 3d printing some assembly tools while I wait.

 

[Pavo]

After lurking for quite some time. I've purchased parts for my first build! Thank you everyone here, for the wealth of information. I will do some build updates as parts come in and document what I am doing for the next person. I have enjoyed seeing others do the same.

Parts
Raffles:
Acrylic crystal case
20mm rivet style oyster
Silver hands with white lume
Explorer dial with super white lume

Ali Express -
NH35 Movement
Sub dial, black with white lume
Silver hands with white lume - identical to those from raffles.

Tools:
Ali express:
5x loop
Hand setting tools
Amazon:
Rodico
Cheapo 150 piece watch tool set

As this is my first watch build I will do an initial build-up with the aliexpress dial and hands as these should be drop-ins with the movement and case. Wear that for a bit then upgrade with the raffles dial, which will require gluing, T21 crystal, and whatever else catches my eye in the meantime.


I do plan to shape and "age" the case and bracelet when they arrive in a few days. As of now I just plan to look at some reference photos and go at it with a file/rotary tool.
Any tips on this would be appreciated.

I believe I will need to broach the raffles second hand to fit on the NH movement. Has anyone had luck with this?

I'll be 3d printing some assembly tools while I wait.

Let us know how it goes.

 

[369mafia]

 

[316lad]

Further ageing of my 1969 1016 . . .with T21 Tropic. Basically trying to make it look pretty beaten up, loved and not polished.

Thank you to the Brothers of this Thread for sage advice and guidance.

 

[Action_Jensen]

After lurking for quite some time. I've purchased parts for my first build! Thank you everyone here, for the wealth of information. I will do some build updates as parts come in and document what I am doing for the next person. I have enjoyed seeing others do the same.

Parts
Raffles:
Acrylic crystal case
20mm rivet style oyster
Silver hands with white lume
Explorer dial with super white lume

Ali Express -
NH35 Movement
Sub dial, black with white lume
Silver hands with white lume - identical to those from raffles.

Tools:
Ali express:
5x loop
Hand setting tools
Amazon:
Rodico
Cheapo 150 piece watch tool set

As this is my first watch build I will do an initial build-up with the aliexpress dial and hands as these should be drop-ins with the movement and case. Wear that for a bit then upgrade with the raffles dial, which will require gluing, T21 crystal, and whatever else catches my eye in the meantime.


I do plan to shape and "age" the case and bracelet when they arrive in a few days. As of now I just plan to look at some reference photos and go at it with a file/rotary tool.
Any tips on this would be appreciated.

I believe I will need to broach the raffles second hand to fit on the NH movement. Has anyone had luck with this?

I'll be 3d printing some assembly tools while I wait.

For the case shaping i personally would not use a rotary tool, only small files and sandingsticks, sandpaper with high gritt count. You can always take of some more but not put something back on. For the fitting of an acrylic crystal: Dont know if that changed, maybe some other user can tell you more about that, but a t21 and t22 seem to fit a little better in the saphire case (plus widening the bezel) and dont need any glue.

For the Hands... if i were you, id just buy a set of NH specific mercedes hands and use them, you find them everywere. in Seiko mod shops, ebay and on ali.. the hands raffles sell are also "just" 12mm service hands (sub hands).. as far as i know there are no 13mm curved hands either for ETA od NH movements on the market... there is flat set from helenarou for ETA but even then id just take a cheap NH seconds hand (12,5mm) and live with it... there maybe was another user which name ecapes me right now, here in the treat who mentioned that you can get seconds hands to shorten yourself

 

[Karbon74]

Further ageing of my 1969 1016 . . .with T21 Tropic. Basically trying to make it look pretty beaten up, loved and not polished.

Thank you to the Brothers of this Thread for sage advice and guidance.

You really delivered on your original concept
It does look battered, like an old weathered leather jacket that you just can't stop wearing.

Also, noone will ever think that you wear a rep. Reps are supposed to be blingy an old thing like this must be genuine

 

[phatkat]

For the case shaping i personally would not use a rotary tool, only small files and sandingsticks, sandpaper with high gritt count. You can always take of some more but not put something back on. For the fitting of an acrylic crystal: Dont know if that changed, maybe some other user can tell you more about that, but a t21 and t22 seem to fit a little better in the saphire case (plus widening the bezel) and dont need any glue.

For the Hands... if i were you, id just buy a set of NH specific mercedes hands and use them, you find them everywere. in Seiko mod shops, ebay and on ali.. the hands raffles sell are also "just" 12mm service hands (sub hands).. as far as i know there are no 13mm curved hands either for ETA od NH movements on the market... there is flat set from helenarou for ETA but even then id just take a cheap NH seconds hand (12,5mm) and live with it... there maybe was another user which name ecapes me right now, here in the treat who mentioned that you can get seconds hands to shorten yourself

Thanks for the advice. I have a set of mercedes hands for an NH movement. Wow I didnt een know curved hands were a thing... the more you know.

 

[Action_Jensen]

Thanks for the advice. I have a set of mercedes hands for an NH movement. Wow I didnt een know curved hands were a thing... the more you know.

just for the sake of mentioning the info you get here https://explorer1016.com/components/hands/ is a slighty diferent one and if you google for pictures there are a lot of non chaper ring 1016s were the hands reach into the marks.
Still there are no hands to buy and i guess in the end all these different dials and hands and their combinations come from a time when rolex put in the cases what they had at hand ;-) so everything should be fine, depending on what you expect from your own watch and what the "story" should be

 

[Karbon74]

So I got my Raffles 1016 delivered today.
The feel is a bit weird. The case looks somehow unfinished. Not the quality which is not bad...rather like it's a blank, if you see what I mean

I would appreciate some guidance on the general lug shaping. From the pics, I would say:
- about 1-1.5mm removed from the side, at the tip to increase the angle
- dampen the slope on the top
-maybe shave a tiny bit below to make the curve a bit more claw like, but I am unsure of this
- general softening
- top brushing and chamfer

+ maybe 0.5mm shave on the top of the rehaut

That case is so small. I see why some prefer hand files only vs dremel.

 

[316lad]

So I got my Raffles 1016 delivered today.
The feel is a bit weird. The case looks somehow unfinished. Not the quality which is not bad...rather like it's a blank, if you see what I mean

I would appreciate some guidance on the general lug shaping. From the pics, I would say:
- about 1-1.5mm removed from the side, at the tip to increase the angle
- dampen the slope on the top
-maybe shave a tiny bit below to make the curve a bit more claw like, but I am unsure of this
- general softening
- top brushing and chamfer

+ maybe 0.5mm shave on the top of the rehaut

That case is so small. I see why some prefer hand files only vs dremel.

Excellent. You'll be fine.

My biggest Tip - select maybe 4 or 5 pictures of the year/ style you're going for and spend lots of time studying and burning them in to your mind - so that as you sculpt the case before you, you are merely re-shaping it in to the shape that you already have pre-burned in to your retina. Don't be tempted to hopelessly search Explorer cases - just select 4 or 5 that are "your chosen ones."

Good luck and keep us posted. You'll be fine.

Here were mine:

Get your own and stick to them like glue.

 

[316lad]

And the result.

 

[Karbon74]

thank you Brother @316lad
This is massively helpful

I am still not confortable with all the 1016 versions.
Your photos look mighty fine and I will very probably model yours

I understand the mental process. I have the 5513 shape in my head and spin it around in space. This is sculpting art in a way. You need to feel it's right. That's why I said the OOTB Raffles case looks like a blank...like there is a shape hidden in it

 

[phatkat]

Likely going to tackle shaping as well this weekend, if the package arrives, so thanks for the tips!

 

[1016 lover]

Good hand file is the best to start, it allow you to see the shape coming slowly, i personnaly use gallorbe files that are very accurate and good quality and a hand support for Sand paper for finishing