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The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread

316lad

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I haven't heard anything good about Ruby since I've been on this board - which isn't long I admit.
Guess people get tired of doing stuff and move on, or lethargic or just go bad.
Seems like Ruby was really good a few years ago.
Somebody - one of the old boys here- said you can do just as well with a Raffles case these days which is why I did.
 

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Bored with my dial.

Anyone got a 1016 with Yuki 1016 matte white they can show off?

 

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Bored with my dial.

Anyone got a 1016 with Yuki 1016 matte white they can show off?

Yes my first 1016 build from back in the day.

JMB v2 case set
Clarks T21
Gen Eta
Yuki Dial
Tudor sub hands

 

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Wasn't it a gen case? I thought they only handle gen stuff
Although Ruby needs to be reworked, There are certainly irreplaceable advantages. Ex) thin rehaut, overall better quality, gen spec crown&stem tube size, etc.
It's true that it's too expensive compared to Raffles, But the 1016 is something I've dreamed of since I started my watch hobby. I want mine to aftermarket parts be compatible because I'm gonna wear it for a long time.
So everyone has his/her own expectations and whishes for a build but theese practically always come with a certain cost. I dont want to talk you out of anything but maybe you can find some perspective here.

Keep in mind that, as far as i know the Ruby as well as the MQ cases would have to be reshaped so no advantage (except the irreplaceble advantage of a slightly flater rehaut maybe). Both are build for gen movements so you would also need a movement ring depending on your movement of choice. and for the ones of us willing to drill and tap there is also the option of using a gen spec crown on a raffles case (Athaja for exampe, also done many times here in this thread).
I just assume, that you would not want to use a 40$ Raffles dial in such a setup so the cost might even be higer. With all the work that would have to be done, parts like nice hands and a dial from said supliers (or mochacha etc). not o mention a nice period correct braelet and gen ETA / Selita from another source.

So on the pro side there would be: Nice fitting Bezel and pre installed crystal without extra work, original crown position and that "feel"
On the con there would be every building issue we also have like shaping, movement fixation and sourcing of the other parts.

so my focus here is a little bit on the financial side and what to gain from theese parts. i even have a ruby dial in my build but for that money, especially case and Dial id spend a few hunderet more and get a gen 5500 and a juky dial plus merc hands.

But that are just my ideas to this topic :) I hope ruby and MQ call you back and if you decide to buy there i hope for the best expirience possible. In the end we all strife to a build as close to the real deal as possible i think
 
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So everyone has his/her own expectations and whishes for a build but theese practically always come with a certain cost. I dont want to talk you out of anything but maybe you can find some perspective here.

Keep in mind that, as far as i know the Ruby as well as the MQ cases would have to be reshaped so no advantage (except the irreplaceble advantage of a slightly flater rehaut maybe). Both are build for gen movements so you would also need a movement ring depending on your movement of choice. and for the ones of us willing to drill and tap there is also the option of using a gen spec crown on a raffles case (Athaja for exampe, also done many times here in this thread).
I just assume, that you would not want to use a 40$ Raffles dial in such a setup so the cost might even be higer. With all the work that would have to be done, parts like nice hands and a dial from said supliers (or mochacha etc). not o mention a nice period correct braelet and gen ETA / Selita from another source.

So on the pro side there would be: Nice fitting Bezel and pre installed crystal without extra work, original crown position and that "feel"
On the con there would be every building issue we also have like shaping, movement fixation and sourcing of the other parts.

so my focus here is a little bit on the financial side and what to gain from theese parts. i even have a ruby dial in my build but for that money, especially case and Dial id spend a few hunderet more and get a gen 5500 and a juky dial plus merc hands.

But that are just my ideas to this topic :) I hope ruby and MQ call you back and if you decide to buy there i hope for the best expirience possible. In the end we all strife to a build as close to the real deal as possible i think
Yeah you're right. So I'm going to put it off for now. It makes me so tired that the Viet parts for 1016 are so expensive and not perfect. I'm just gonna buy bunch of gen parts with that money and start 1603 build anyway
 

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Umm, that is nice.
Thanks for posting. Would you say it's the best of the Matte Service dials for 1016 out there short of gen?
Id say it resembles a mk5 closer. The Service dials look like like the bvintage dials to me....similar to a frog foot but not.
 
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Id say it resembles a mk5 closer. The Service dials look like like the bvintage dials to me....similar to a frog foot but not.
Thanks for that info I take it bvintage are no more these days?
Also, have you done a gen 5500 to Explorer conversion at any time? what are your thoughts?
 

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Thanks for that info I take it bvintage are no more these days?
Also, have you done a gen 5500 to Explorer conversion at any time? what are your thoughts?
Yes , they sell on Ebay

I built a 5500 using a yuki dial and raffles case.

However I have built a franken commando using a gen 5500 case set, mochacha dial
It was pretty straight forward , no issues other than the finish on the dial being more delicate than expected.

 

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Building up a couple with gen 5500 cases at the moment. Was going to do an Air King and a 5500 Explorer, but stumbled into a Mochacha dial and have one incoming from Yuki, so going to see which one looks better.

Also, toying with building up one from a Raffles case, and a DIY gilt dial, just to see how the three compare.

34mm Rolex cases are pretty damn cheap, relative to...pretty much everything else Rolex, lol.
 
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Building up a couple with gen 5500 cases at the moment. Was going to do an Air King and a 5500 Explorer, but stumbled into a Mochacha dial and have one incoming from Yuki, so going to see which one looks better.

Also, toying with building up one from a Raffles case, and a DIY gilt dial, just to see how the three compare.

34mm Rolex cases are pretty damn cheap, relative to...pretty much everything else Rolex, lol.
Yes , they sell on Ebay

I built a 5500 using a yuki dial and raffles case.

However I have built a franken commando using a gen 5500 case set, mochacha dial
It was pretty straight forward , no issues other than the finish on the dial being more delicate than expected.


What movement did you 5500 builders use @369mafia and what movements will you use @dpd3672 ?
 

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What movement did you 5500 builders use @369mafia and what movements will you use @dpd3672 ?
Still in the planning and aquiring parts stage, but probably will use a2824, unless there's a better way to do it that comes up. Researching whether or not I'll need a movement spacer and new pinion or longer pinion hand set, but mostly just working on the cases and dials at the moment, and will buy the odd parts I need as I go.

Looked into getting a gen Rolex movement, but the damn things cost as much as a complete watch, so not seeing the bang for the buck there.
Gen case/dial/crown/bezel/crystal with ETA movement and hands is a lot of watch for the money, and since I tend to prefer vintage and smaller watches, it's right up my alley.
Actually have (4) 34mm and (2) 36mm Oyster cases waiting to go, and a couple gen dials...including a really neat albino Explorer Date dial that will probably be started soon.


 

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Lume technique? Probably overkill as we wouldn’t need that much unless you were doing a run of dials but scale it down and this could make life easier ??

bascially a blower bulb with a needle point tube. squeeze the bulb to apply lume. like cake decoration except small scale
 
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Lume technique? Probably overkill as we wouldn’t need that much unless you were doing a run of dials but scale it down and this could make life easier ??

bascially a blower bulb with a needle point tube. squeeze the bulb to apply lume. like cake decoration except small scale
I picked up a couple of cheap fountain pens, I'm going to experiment with those before I actually lay hands on a real dial. It might be a complete waste of time and money, but in theory, it should work...
 
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