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The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread

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Found this earlier - I think 369mafia posted it earlier - so thanks to him.

This is what can be done with a Raffles (JMB) case and our lusting after 1016 perfection:

How do you think JMB modified Raffles? The difference that is clearly visible to the eye is the bezel thickness, and it looks like the bezel has been replaced... Are there any other differences?
 

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Agreed The viet option is ideal if you plan on using or have plans on using a gen movement. otherwise its not the best value for the money .

I think a ruby case now is +650-700 plus shipping and duty .

We have the raffles base case set, a few bezel options, crystal options and now a source for engraving. its never been so good!!

When my new drill bits arrive I think I might just buy a few raffles explorer case sets and mod them for people who dont want to or aren't comfortable doing the metal work.
HMU if anyone is interested
Some bezel options for Raffles is exactly what I need. Is there a thin bezel option like jmf or ruby?
 

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It doesn't look quite right - even after taking a bit of height out of it from the bottom up. The angle on the side is too accute or something.
Not sure. I think I'll be after 1016Lover and his bezel offer.
Still got final polishing to do but wanted to reassemble to get a basic idea of shape and aesthectic.


 
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It doesn't look quite right - even after taking a bit of height out of it from the bottom up. The angle on the side is too accute or something.
Not sure. I think I'll be after 1016Lover and his bezel offer.
Still got final polishing to do but wanted to reassemble to get a basic idea of shape and aesthectic.



I have done this also machining the bottom of the bezel helps the thickness a bit but you are correct the angle of the bezel is too steep a 1016L or WSO bezel are the best options currently.
 

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It doesn't look quite right - even after taking a bit of height out of it from the bottom up. The angle on the side is too accute or something.
Not sure. I think I'll be after 1016Lover and his bezel offer.
Still got final polishing to do but wanted to reassemble to get a basic idea of shape and aesthectic.


shouldn't the bezel slightly overhang the side?
 
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I have done this also machining the bottom of the bezel helps the thickness a bit but you are correct the angle of the bezel is too steep a 1016L or WSO bezel are the best options currently.
if the slope angle is the issue, then the only way to modify this is to work the top and than reshape the curve 😳
i am getting shivers just to think about this
 
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Can you see the Raffles bezel flutes in at the skirt. Definitely not Gen. I tried to get rid but started to take too much height out.
Really, it's no go for the Raffles - well, in my inept hands anyway. I'm going for a very beaten up tool watch from 1969 - just as well really!
 
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Can you see the Raffles bezel flutes in at the skirt. Definitely not Gen. I tried to get rid but started to take too much height out.
Really, it's no go for the Raffles - well, in my inept hands anyway. I'm going for a very beaten up tool watch from 1969 - just as well really!
the very base of the bezel should angle in towards the case . its very subtle but it was studied by 1016l earlier in this thread when he was doing the cad work for his bezels.

I think in the hands of a capable machinist we could take material from the top surface of the bezel at the right angle and correct the angle of the bezel somewhat while reducing the bezel s height. I wonder if anyone has attempted this. I suppose I cold try it with a drill press and a file I have a number of those stock bezels laying around. If I do attempt it I will report back
 
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Can you see the Raffles bezel flutes in at the skirt. Definitely not Gen. I tried to get rid but started to take too much height out.
Really, it's no go for the Raffles - well, in my inept hands anyway. I'm going for a very beaten up tool watch from 1969 - just as well really!
the delusional me thinks he can do it IF I have a lathe 😂
 
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A lathe would make it a breeze.
I obviosly also increased the I.D. to the requisant 30.80mm to take the Tropic 21 with the dremel.
That would have been nice to do with a lathe too.
 

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the very base of the bezel should angle in towards the case . its very subtle but it was studied by 1016l earlier in this thread when he was doing the cad work for his bezels.

I think in the hands of a capable machinist we could take material from the top surface of the bezel at the right angle and correct the angle of the bezel somewhat while reducing the bezel s height. I wonder if anyone has attempted this. I suppose I cold try it with a drill press and a file I have a number of those stock bezels laying around. If I do attempt it I will report back
Please have a go. Would be good to see done.
There's a bunch of very talented individuals on this thread alone who are building up the quintessential 1016 homage watch.
It's a joy to see the passion and the commitment.
 
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Thanks to all this incredible information on this forum, I recently completed a very basic 1016 build. I realise that this thread is full of incredible, accurate reps, but I just thought I'd detail it here in case it helps another newbie at any point.

It was the first ever watch I've built, and I had absolutely no experience. I'm quite pleased with how it turned out all things considered. I've got hold of a WSO bezel, so I hope to have another go at a more accurate one once I gain a bit more experience!

Anyway, it was just a Raffles / Cousins build with no case modification.

I bought the case and dial from Raffles. I went for the acrylic as sapphire just didn't feel right. When I do the more accurate build, I'll go for the sapphire, as I understand the crystal is easier to remove and replace with the T21 crystal.



I bought an NH38 movement and hands from Cousins. The seconds hand was a bit of a problem. Cousins seem to sell the correct style hand in both a 12.5mm x 0.2mm option and a 14mm x 0.21mm option. Luckily I ordered both.

I knew that NH movement seconds hands were tricky, but I absolutely could not get the 0.2mm one to sit on the post at all. I tried for literally hours! The 0.21mm one fit perfectly after only a handful of goes, so I ended up trimming the tip with a pair of nail scissors so it was more like 13mm long.

Cousins code for the 12.5 x 02.mm hands, which I found too tight: H58752
Cousins code for the 14 x 0.21mm hands, which I trimmed the end of: H58754
Cousins code for the hour and minute hands: H58731

I aged the hands and the lume on the dial both by baking on damp coffee grounds at 160C for 10 minutes and with Tamiya weathering paints that I got from Amazon. I wasn't quite brave enough to bake the dial, so I just attacked it with a bit of weathering paint on the lume. I removed the dial feet, filed the nubs smooth and attached the dial to the movement with a couple of dabs of silicon.

Everything fit together pretty well and I was surprised at how good a fit the NH movement was in the Raffles case just by pushing it in!


Anyway, it's not perfect. Here's the stuff I learned that I'd think about and probably do differently next time:

I'd probably go for the dial with the white lume rather than the yellow. Since the hands are white, I think it would make it easier to get them to match better after aging if they both started from being the same colour.

The dial isn't *perfectly* straight - it's tilted a couple of degrees off. I was really careful when attaching it to line everything up with the winding stem, but I think I probably should have put it in the case with the winding stem in and crown screwed down as well before leaving it to dry to check its position, but equally I'm not even convinced this would be possible to do before the silicon dried. I'm not sure whether I can rectify this, or whether it would have been better to use dial dots rather than silicon. Actually, having typed that out, I think dial dots are probably the way forward!

After reading these whole 60-odd pages of detail about 1016s, the small details that I didn't think would bother me are starting to bother me, so I'm sure it's only a matter of time until I do another build! I think I might have a go at a vintage datejust first, though, as at least I should be able to use the dial feet onto an ETA clone for that, and it's the lining up the dial that's causing me to hold back on doing another build like this one.

Anyway, as I said, I'm quite pleased for a first attempt and I certainly couldn't have done it without all the fantastic information on these pages, so thank you! And if you're on the fence about giving this a go yourself, go for it! It's nowhere near as bad as I thought it might be!

A quick picture showing my pathetic noodle-wrists, which is why vintage 36mm watches are where I'm at!

 

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Thanks to all this incredible information on this forum, I recently completed a very basic 1016 build. I realise that this thread is full of incredible, accurate reps, but I just thought I'd detail it here in case it helps another newbie at any point.

It was the first ever watch I've built, and I had absolutely no experience. I'm quite pleased with how it turned out all things considered. I've got hold of a WSO bezel, so I hope to have another go at a more accurate one once I gain a bit more experience!

Anyway, it was just a Raffles / Cousins build with no case modification.

I bought the case and dial from Raffles. I went for the acrylic as sapphire just didn't feel right. When I do the more accurate build, I'll go for the sapphire, as I understand the crystal is easier to remove and replace with the T21 crystal.



I bought an NH38 movement and hands from Cousins. The seconds hand was a bit of a problem. Cousins seem to sell the correct style hand in both a 12.5mm x 0.2mm option and a 14mm x 0.21mm option. Luckily I ordered both.

I knew that NH movement seconds hands were tricky, but I absolutely could not get the 0.2mm one to sit on the post at all. I tried for literally hours! The 0.21mm one fit perfectly after only a handful of goes, so I ended up trimming the tip with a pair of nail scissors so it was more like 13mm long.

Cousins code for the 12.5 x 02.mm hands, which I found too tight: H58752
Cousins code for the 14 x 0.21mm hands, which I trimmed the end of: H58754
Cousins code for the hour and minute hands: H58731

I aged the hands and the lume on the dial both by baking on damp coffee grounds at 160C for 10 minutes and with Tamiya weathering paints that I got from Amazon. I wasn't quite brave enough to bake the dial, so I just attacked it with a bit of weathering paint on the lume. I removed the dial feet, filed the nubs smooth and attached the dial to the movement with a couple of dabs of silicon.

Everything fit together pretty well and I was surprised at how good a fit the NH movement was in the Raffles case just by pushing it in!


Anyway, it's not perfect. Here's the stuff I learned that I'd think about and probably do differently next time:

I'd probably go for the dial with the white lume rather than the yellow. Since the hands are white, I think it would make it easier to get them to match better after aging if they both started from being the same colour.

The dial isn't *perfectly* straight - it's tilted a couple of degrees off. I was really careful when attaching it to line everything up with the winding stem, but I think I probably should have put it in the case with the winding stem in and crown screwed down as well before leaving it to dry to check its position, but equally I'm not even convinced this would be possible to do before the silicon dried. I'm not sure whether I can rectify this, or whether it would have been better to use dial dots rather than silicon. Actually, having typed that out, I think dial dots are probably the way forward!

After reading these whole 60-odd pages of detail about 1016s, the small details that I didn't think would bother me are starting to bother me, so I'm sure it's only a matter of time until I do another build! I think I might have a go at a vintage datejust first, though, as at least I should be able to use the dial feet onto an ETA clone for that, and it's the lining up the dial that's causing me to hold back on doing another build like this one.

Anyway, as I said, I'm quite pleased for a first attempt and I certainly couldn't have done it without all the fantastic information on these pages, so thank you! And if you're on the fence about giving this a go yourself, go for it! It's nowhere near as bad as I thought it might be!

A quick picture showing my pathetic noodle-wrists, which is why vintage 36mm watches are where I'm at!

It looks great, especially for a first attempt at building a watch. The nice thing about these projects is that as your experience, tools, and confidence increase, you can always revisit the watch and make small tweaks.

Also loving the strap, it's a nice choice for a subtle, low key watch like the 1016.
 

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Good work. Don't bother about those little incorrect details. As said you'r building an old watch and none of them still looks like comming directly from an AD.
Concerning building a DJ this will offer you additional problems, especcialy alligning the DW. Buying a raffles case you need to use a DWO which is a pain in the ass.