The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread

[HSV726]

I’m slightly embarrassed to post the picture but I thought it may be of use,

I wasn’t keen on raising the teeth on washers alone as I was concerned about reducing the support to the teeth and also an inconsistent height

I measured the depth of the mid case and ordered an 8mm thick piece of Perspex I knew this would give a consistent height and also give the teeth a good amount of support

Unfortunately with only basic tools to hand and limited time before I collected my son from football I fashioned the below



Not pretty but the tool itself worked perfectly separating the bezel and mid case without incident. I should now be able to address the lugs and also remove the deep tooling marks from the bezel

 

[369mafia]

function before form cause chrome wont get you home... well done @pistolpedro
it does look like you just broke the corners off a sheet of it like a wild man haha
the important point is that you got the bezel off without issue.

 

[HSV726]

Wild man

It started well with a paper template taken from the tool but it quickly went down hill, given time I think it would be quite easy to knock up something more presentable, I did think it would be ideal for 3D printing


I made a start on brushing the lugs, I was supposed to be waiting for my practice case but my impatience got the better off me.

Using a 400 grit stick (sadly I couldn’t get triangular in this grade so it’s a flat stick).

Think I’m slowly getting a technique which allows even strokes at a consistent pressure

Picture below of the 1st lug any feedback good or bad welcomed

 

[369mafia]

Wild man

It started well with a paper template taken from the tool but it quickly went down hill, given time I think it would be quite easy to knock up something more presentable, I did think it would be ideal for 3D printing


I made a start on brushing the lugs, I was supposed to be waiting for my practice case but my impatience got the better off me.

Using a 400 grit stick (sadly I couldn’t get triangular in this grade so it’s a flat stick).

Think I’m slowly getting a technique which allows even strokes at a consistent pressure

Picture below of the 1st lug any feedback good or bad welcomed

looks pretty even and consistant. nicely done. That looks like a JMB case (double lug holes on inside of lug and machining marks on bezel. )

there is no short cuts to case work to get a clean finish you need to put in the time.

you could go with as low as a 120 grit to create the texture desired and then you can lightly sand the area with a higher grit paper or even steel wool or scowering pad to knock back the freshness of the sanding marks for a vintage look

 

[HSV726]

Many thanks I appreciate the feedback

I would like to mirror polish the case sides as there is some marks there currently am I right in thinking that this should be done prior to lug brushing ?

Yes JMB case, interesting that you mention the machining marks I wondered if that was particular to my case set.

That’s my next task I’ve got some 800 sticks to try and remove them then work my up the grades and finally polish. Been thinking about some sort of angled piece to hold it at an angle which would allows a 90 degree stroke of the emery to give me a consistent angle across the bezel

 

[1016 lover]

À little bit of frustration today, did a great job on the case shaping/polishing, date function remove on a clone 2824...
Lot of work, dial and hands and the last step, keyless trouble, I have to disassemble everything

Some pics

 

[1016 lover]

À little bit of frustration today, did a great job on the case shaping/polishing, date function remove on a clone 2824...
Lot of work, dial and hands and the last step, keyless trouble, I have to disassemble everything

Some pics

Bezel here are from my proto set with a t22

The job is in the pipe, I ve a confirmation that he will do it and hope to have them in June... It s too long

 

[johnchpark]

My first ever attempt at trying to reshape a case.
I underestimated how difficult it would be

Raffles sent me the sapphire case disassembled, as i had requested.

I used a hand dremel, and the general lug shape i am ok with. Took a couple of hours. But i realized my use of the dremel caused uneven grooves to be created. So even after polishing, i can’t get an even surface. Also, i wasn’t very careful with the dremel so there were some cuts made on other parts of the case, including the rehaut. I polished them out so hopefully it won’t cause any issues when installing the crystal.

For future reference, i think i will just take my time and slowly grind away by hand with sand paper to prevent the uneven grooves.

Not pretty, and not too proud of the outcome. But it was a learning experience

 

[Hayst]

My first ever attempt at trying to reshape a case.
I underestimated how difficult it would be

Raffles sent me the sapphire case disassembled, as i had requested.

I used a hand dremel, and the general lug shape i am ok with. Took a couple of hours. But i realized my use of the dremel caused uneven grooves to be created. So even after polishing, i can’t get an even surface. Also, i wasn’t very careful with the dremel so there were some cuts made on other parts of the case, including the rehaut. I polished them out so hopefully it won’t cause any issues when installing the crystal.

For future reference, i think i will just take my time and slowly grind away by hand with sand paper to prevent the uneven grooves.

Not pretty, and not too proud of the outcome. But it was a learning experience

Here


I use the large nail buffer boards for cases and also for removing light rust or tarnish on knife blades...my daughter put me on to them.

 

[johnchpark]

Went back at it with some more sand paper.
I’m ok with the shape of it, just need to work on polishing it better

 

[1016 lover]

I ve started with little files to see the case shaping coming slowly and learn step by step, now I use a dremel with a very fine diamant abrasive for the start and a sand paper holder for the rest and always work with files and similar sand paper older for the finish by hand

The harder thing is to find a good model for reference as those watches are 60 years old, some have over polishing services and they were plus or minus well done. From one photo to another the detail you re working on can be different and it depend of the story you choose for you case....

 

[automatico]

Regarding this post and a few that follow...
"The XS 306.449 fits on the Acrylic case, the Clarks (at least mine has a too high inner diameter to fit). but both fit much better on the Saphire case."

All crystal IDs for 1600, 16000 and 16200 Rolex DJ are the same and just to make sure, I measured genuine rolex 16220, 16011, and 1601 crystal mounting area (aka 'case neck') again to make sure. Each case neck has the same diameter...29.5mm +/- .02 or .03mm.

Evidently, some replica case makers are not making the case necks to oem specs because genuine 16000 acrylic and 16200 sapphire case necks have exactly the same diameter.
My '1016' project watch is based on a genuine Rolex 16220 case with a GS T22 equivalent crystal and ST smooth bezel with the ID enlarged to fit the crystal.

 

[1016 lover]

Regarding this post and a few that follow...
"The XS 306.449 fits on the Acrylic case, the Clarks (at least mine has a too high inner diameter to fit). but both fit much better on the Saphire case."

All crystal IDs for 1600, 16000 and 16200 Rolex DJ are the same and just to make sure, I measured genuine rolex 16220, 16011, and 1601 crystal mounting area (aka 'case neck') again to make sure. Each case neck has the same diameter...29.5mm +/- .02 or .03mm.

Evidently, some replica case makers are not making the case necks to oem specs because genuine 16000 acrylic and 16200 sapphire case necks have exactly the same diameter.
My '1016' project watch is based on a genuine Rolex 16220 case with a GS T22 equivalent crystal and ST smooth bezel with the ID enlarged to fit the crystal.

It was not an attack, just an advice

 

[1675lover]

Regarding this post and a few that follow...
"The XS 306.449 fits on the Acrylic case, the Clarks (at least mine has a too high inner diameter to fit). but both fit much better on the Saphire case."

All crystal IDs for 1600, 16000 and 16200 Rolex DJ are the same and just to make sure, I measured genuine rolex 16220, 16011, and 1601 crystal mounting area (aka 'case neck') again to make sure. Each case neck has the same diameter...29.5mm +/- .02 or .03mm.

Evidently, some replica case makers are not making the case necks to oem specs because genuine 16000 acrylic and 16200 sapphire case necks have exactly the same diameter.
My '1016' project watch is based on a genuine Rolex 16220 case with a GS T22 equivalent crystal and ST smooth bezel with the ID enlarged to fit the crystal.

The legend returns!

 

[1675lover]

my my... a bamford 1016

 

[automatico]

Typos!

All crystal IDs for 1600, 16000 and 16200 Rolex DJ are the same...
Should have been: All case neck ODs for 1600, 16000 and 16200 Rolex DJ are the same...

DJ 16011 should be 16013.

I have also had trouble with some Sternkreuz crystals not fitting genuine and oem spec cases.
GS crystals usually fit, and they make 3 or 4 different versions of the T19 for 5512/13 etc. with slightly different diameters.

 

[369mafia]

 

[1016_idiot_savant]

After issues with three ETAs, I've gone back to "Old Faithful" - a trusty, low beat, dateless and hacking NH38 which holds +2/day, autowinds at the slightest movement, and with a keyless works I could manipulate with a hammer if I wanted... weirdly, the ETA minute hand fit without modification!

 

[Hayst]

Have you fellows seen this?

Raffles

 

[1675lover]

Have you fellows seen this?

Raffles

My my… I have a 3rd case without a dial lying around… shit