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You can use cousin for sternkreuz, for Clark, I think I found deal here in Belgium but not 100% sure that is Clark, it s sell as American Rolex replacment...
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The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread
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Quick question, when using a Raffles or Raffles based case does the dial look more recessed in the case i.e a deeper rehaut than gen?
the dial if properly sized for the case should fit flush against the dial seat in the case.
I have not noticed the height of the rehaut being an issue compared to gen and frankly I dont want to now if it is cause that is something I am not prepared to modify lol
I know the BP / cartel cases for teh gmt 1675 have a taller rehaut than gen.
It does. For instance, if were talking sapphire, a single domed crystal helps to mitigate the WOK effect in a BP 16600 case. So yes, it does impact how we see the dial and rehaut.thanks
I did wonder if the crystal used could change the perception of height
I looked at some Vietnam cases (some good examples in collectors corner) and I was leaning to them looking a little shallower but couldn't say with any degree of confidence
If you watn, I can get the crystal here in USA, and ship it to you via USPS first class small package/bubble bag... but, keep in mind that even tough the crystal is $8.25, it is $5.85 shipping, plus tax, so $25.26 or so, to get it here. I think the extra $15 is not too bad for EU shipping, but again... if you need someone to get it and ship it to you via 1st class package to EU, I will help you.
FYI, if y'all need to find the Sternkreuz in the USA, the XS 306.449, Jborel has them. I ordered one and should arrive today. I also ordered a WSO bezel and a Clarks T21. I will test them in an acrylic Raffles / Riyi case. Unfortunately this time I ordered the "new" acrylic version, so going to have to deal with that nasty glue.... LOL. Oh well. ! Ah, one more thing... a few years ago, I did a Commando for my good friend, and I installed at GEN Explorer bezel, and it went in perfectly without mods, with an acrylic crystal. I forgot what crystal I intalled though, sorry. I will find a pic of the final build....
So, I will test.
*. Sternkreuz T21
*. WSO bezel
*. Clarks T21
So, I will test.
*. Sternkreuz T21
*. WSO bezel
*. Clarks T21
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Hey. I did that too. Well at least the Raffles Case thing. Neither the SK nor the Clarks T21 variant fittet tightly on the new raffles acrylic case. We assumed that that was the reason why the crystal was glued in in the first place. Have a look afew sites back of this post. But you never know. maybe it is a tolerances thing and it works out in your case
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Correction: The XS 306.449 fits on the Acrylic case, the clarks (at least mine has a too high inner diameter to fit). but both fit much better on the Saphire case.
Thank you !
Everything fits, with work.... sometimes less, sometimes more ! LOL
Q: When you say that the XS fits into the acrylic case, you mean it fits W/O sanding/modifying the case lip, basically take the Raffles acrylic and bezel out (must be a PITA since it is glued), and swap for the XS and press fit the bezel back?
Cheers,
RW
Everything fits, with work.... sometimes less, sometimes more ! LOL
Q: When you say that the XS fits into the acrylic case, you mean it fits W/O sanding/modifying the case lip, basically take the Raffles acrylic and bezel out (must be a PITA since it is glued), and swap for the XS and press fit the bezel back?
Cheers,
RW
On the Raffles acrylic case , I’m guessing you need to jimmy the crystal off (most likely breaking it) then remove any glue residue it’s the a case of measuring the OD then ordering a suitable replacement crystal ?
(I only ask as I would like a case to practice to diagonal brushing on the lugs)
(I only ask as I would like a case to practice to diagonal brushing on the lugs)
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Yes, so i broke the original crystal while splitting case and bezel. Had to use some rougher tools to clean the case from plastic and glue residue.
For pulling of the bezel i used a tool like this:
which stil took a lot of force to crack the glue...
After that you do not even need a press to reinstall the new crystal, it just fits in with a bit of aligning and hand preassure.
i used this one btw. I took it because i thought it had the same dimensions as an SK, which i could not get a holt of to this day:
www.selva.de
The inner lip is no problem but most of us, as far as i know, prefer the saphire variant due to tolerances.
The biggest problem that remains is the Bezel. The original Raffles wont fit with the new crystal anymore so you would have to widen the inner diameter to fit your build.
That bezel problem practically became our group project in this thread over the last few months and a lot of research, testing and sharing of notes took place in this process. Thanks to all members of the research team again
To summarize i would say we came to 3 possible options
1. Take raffles Bezel and widen inner diameter to your needs (but stil does not look too god because of the upper angle)
2. Take a WSO 14270 smooth bezel from eBay and widen inner diameter to your needs (stil detail problems but much better than raffles)
3. Find a Latheing shop near you and let them make custom ones for you (that is still in process with some members here)
If you want all the details and what we found out to this day it is probably a good idea to start reading this threat form page 20 or so on to this post
Have fun and good luck with your project
For pulling of the bezel i used a tool like this:
which stil took a lot of force to crack the glue...
After that you do not even need a press to reinstall the new crystal, it just fits in with a bit of aligning and hand preassure.
i used this one btw. I took it because i thought it had the same dimensions as an SK, which i could not get a holt of to this day:
Glas XS 306.449 Stülpglas Kunststoff bei Selva Online
Glas XS 306.449 Stülpglas Kunststoff bei Selva Online Spezial Gläser | Selva bietet ein großes Angebot im Bereich Spezial Gläser. Bestellen Sie Ihr/e Glas XS 306.449 Stülpglas Kunststoff schnell & zuverlässig im Online Shop.
www.selva.de
The inner lip is no problem but most of us, as far as i know, prefer the saphire variant due to tolerances.
The biggest problem that remains is the Bezel. The original Raffles wont fit with the new crystal anymore so you would have to widen the inner diameter to fit your build.
That bezel problem practically became our group project in this thread over the last few months and a lot of research, testing and sharing of notes took place in this process. Thanks to all members of the research team again
To summarize i would say we came to 3 possible options
1. Take raffles Bezel and widen inner diameter to your needs (but stil does not look too god because of the upper angle)
2. Take a WSO 14270 smooth bezel from eBay and widen inner diameter to your needs (stil detail problems but much better than raffles)
3. Find a Latheing shop near you and let them make custom ones for you (that is still in process with some members here)
If you want all the details and what we found out to this day it is probably a good idea to start reading this threat form page 20 or so on to this post
Have fun and good luck with your project
Thank you. !
I will add one more, which I still owe you guys a few pics... LOL.
4. Find a gen 14270 bezel and swap it instead of the Raffles or WSO. I cannot remember what acrylic I used for that build, but once I swappd the bezle, I pressure fit it and pressure tested to 3 atm, and passed. I had MANY crystals and just tried and tried, until one fixed. Sorry cannot remember the reference.
And yes ! Dealing with glued bezel is a PITA. I have seen this the the ultra cheap Alix submariner cases. I have one where a good friend of mine that works at a factory had to dip the mid case to be able to get rid of the remaining acrylic plastic once we try to force the crystal out and broke. I put a SK on to it and did a 5513.
I am sorry I foudn this late, I had been bus with life stuff LOL... wish I could have collaborated more. It has been a while since Raffles / Riyi / Xu / Ken had released the acrylic 1016 but never had a chance to buy one. All my experiences had been with the glass version, and yes it is way more easier to deal with that. I just tried and the acryulic is a PITA. I will leave this alone and get me a glass version and use the SK T21 and WSO I ordered.
Keep up y'all !
Cheers,
RW
I will add one more, which I still owe you guys a few pics... LOL.
4. Find a gen 14270 bezel and swap it instead of the Raffles or WSO. I cannot remember what acrylic I used for that build, but once I swappd the bezle, I pressure fit it and pressure tested to 3 atm, and passed. I had MANY crystals and just tried and tried, until one fixed. Sorry cannot remember the reference.
And yes ! Dealing with glued bezel is a PITA. I have seen this the the ultra cheap Alix submariner cases. I have one where a good friend of mine that works at a factory had to dip the mid case to be able to get rid of the remaining acrylic plastic once we try to force the crystal out and broke. I put a SK on to it and did a 5513.
I am sorry I foudn this late, I had been bus with life stuff LOL... wish I could have collaborated more. It has been a while since Raffles / Riyi / Xu / Ken had released the acrylic 1016 but never had a chance to buy one. All my experiences had been with the glass version, and yes it is way more easier to deal with that. I just tried and the acryulic is a PITA. I will leave this alone and get me a glass version and use the SK T21 and WSO I ordered.
Keep up y'all !
Cheers,
RW
Yes, so i broke the original crystal while splitting case and bezel. Had to use some rougher tools to clean the case from plastic and glue residue.
For pulling of the bezel i used a tool like this:
which stil took a lot of force to crack the glue...
After that you do not even need a press to reinstall the new crystal, it just fits in with a bit of aligning and hand preassure.
i used this one btw. I took it because i thought it had the same dimensions as an SK, which i could not get a holt of to this day:
Glas XS 306.449 Stülpglas Kunststoff bei Selva Online
Glas XS 306.449 Stülpglas Kunststoff bei Selva Online Spezial Gläser | Selva bietet ein großes Angebot im Bereich Spezial Gläser. Bestellen Sie Ihr/e Glas XS 306.449 Stülpglas Kunststoff schnell & zuverlässig im Online Shop.
The inner lip is no problem but most of us, as far as i know, prefer the saphire variant due to tolerances.
The biggest problem that remains is the Bezel. The original Raffles wont fit with the new crystal anymore so you would have to widen the inner diameter to fit your build.
That bezel problem practically became our group project in this thread over the last few months and a lot of research, testing and sharing of notes took place in this process. Thanks to all members of the research team again
To summarize i would say we came to 3 possible options
1. Take raffles Bezel and widen inner diameter to your needs (but stil does not look too god because of the upper angle)
2. Take a WSO 14270 smooth bezel from eBay and widen inner diameter to your needs (stil detail problems but much better than raffles)
3. Find a Latheing shop near you and let them make custom ones for you (that is still in process with some members here)
If you want all the details and what we found out to this day it is probably a good idea to start reading this threat form page 20 or so on to this post
Have fun and good luck with your project
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I’m having some difficulty removing my bezel from the case, the bezel is a friction fit and not glued on
I’m using the below tool and it looks like highlighted areas are pushing into the side of the crystal forcing it upwards before the blades can get a sufficient purchase between the mid case and the bezel
The Amazon ad did list 38 -40mm (this case is 36mm) however most comments I saw stated that it would be ok for 36 and below.
Do I need longer teeth or a completely different tool altogether ?
I’m using the below tool and it looks like highlighted areas are pushing into the side of the crystal forcing it upwards before the blades can get a sufficient purchase between the mid case and the bezel
The Amazon ad did list 38 -40mm (this case is 36mm) however most comments I saw stated that it would be ok for 36 and below.
Do I need longer teeth or a completely different tool altogether ?
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No, it is the right tool and i had the same problem. To fix it i raised the blades with some washers and used longer screws. But make sure everything is tight to not bend the raised part.I’m having some difficulty removing my bezel from the case, the bezel is a friction fit and not glued on
I’m using the below tool and it looks like highlighted areas are pushing into the side of the crystal forcing it upwards before the blades can get a sufficient purchase between the mid case and the bezel
The Amazon ad did list 38 -40mm (this case is 36mm) however most comments I saw stated that it would be ok for 36 and below.
Do I need longer teeth or a completely different tool altogether ?
thanks, that’s a shame I was hoping that his tool would have worked out of the box.
Presumably I need to raise the teeth by the height of the crystal and bezel, do you happen to know what size screws I will need to source ?
Thanks again
Presumably I need to raise the teeth by the height of the crystal and bezel, do you happen to know what size screws I will need to source ?
Thanks again
Looking at the more expensive tools you can see a case shaped recess in either side of the tool to accommodate this,
On my example the lack of recesses seems like a design flaw to me as I could see the issue being present even with large cases
On my example the lack of recesses seems like a design flaw to me as I could see the issue being present even with large cases
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Yeah. By this point my oppinion about this hobby is that pretty much nothing works right out of the box
Sorry cant help you with the screws, the tool is not at my place right now because my father is making some permanent spacers for exactly that problem.