The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread

[wmass]

For reference:

wow excellent comparison shot. Are Athaya threads gen spec?

 

[1016_idiot_savant]

wow excellent comparison shot. Are Athaya threads gen spec?

I believe they are, but perhaps someone else knows more/can confirm?

 

[369mafia]

wow excellent comparison shot. Are Athaya threads gen spec?

dont know if they are gen spec but I know Athaya crowns for 6538 are specific to the tube it comes with and you have to drill and retap the mid case to fit the tube so I would you would need to do the same for this crown

 

[Action_Jensen]

The athaya is M3 x.035 fine thread. If you want to use a raffles case you have to redrill to 2.65mm and retap the thread. It seems to be gen spec since the measures align with other gen crown sizes

 

[1016 lover]

I ve check on my my rep crown and tube it's m3x0. 35 for me, the crown is very similar to my gen one, and the thread is m3x0. 35, it correspond to a m3 fine pitch

 

[Action_Jensen]

As the quest for the perfect bezel goes on i found something out and wanted to share with you. The ones of us that want to build a rep with a t21 basically need a 1018 Bezel. 2mm high, 35° angle and built to take a t21. Problem is, there dont seem to be any of them on the market, not as replacement or even original. well at least pictures of those can be used as good reference material

https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/1968-rolex-oyster-perpetual-reference-1018?variant=45603374479

 

[SummerTimekeeper]

@Action_Jensen Sorry for my late reply! Sure, here are my measurements. I believe the description is incorrect as I measured it as 2.4mm. My crystal appears different from Clarks because I was trying out a different T21 crystal which mimics a service crystal.



Sorry again for the delay. I lost the bezel because it flew out of my vice while shaving it for a T22 crystal. Thankfully, I managed to find my bezel after a couple of days; it was hiding in a corner of my workshop space haha! Check out that T22 though!

 

[1675lover]

my clark's crystal finally arrived, installed on the sapphire crystal case, measuring 30.6mm.

while waiting for my WSO bezel, im experimenting it with the raffles bezel.

the raffles bezel is 2.4mm tall, inner diameter was 30.4mm, i used a hand drill with a grinding bit and held the bezel with my hand, and my my...
grinding the inner diameter is hard work! especially when i dont have the luxury of a lathe.
got it to about 30.5mm for now, will continue when i have the time.

@369mafia because the crystal measures 30.6mm on the case, should i file down the inner diameter to 30.6mm or 30.7mm?

 

[Action_Jensen]

@SummerTimekeeper no bother at all. Thanks for your very informative pictures!

 

[1675lover]

meanwhile, rockin' the 1016 with a custom sapphire crystal.

i dont reallly like it because the crystal's edge "eats" away the edges

 

[Hayst]

meanwhile, rockin' the 1016 with a custom sapphire crystal.

i dont reallly like it because the crystal's edge "eats" away the edges

Okay...where did you get THAT!

 

[369mafia]

my clark's crystal finally arrived, installed on the sapphire crystal case, measuring 30.6mm.

while waiting for my WSO bezel, im experimenting it with the raffles bezel.

the raffles bezel is 2.4mm tall, inner diameter was 30.4mm, i used a hand drill with a grinding bit and held the bezel with my hand, and my my...
grinding the inner diameter is hard work! especially when i dont have the luxury of a lathe.
got it to about 30.5mm for now, will continue when i have the time.

@369mafia because the crystal measures 30.6mm on the case, should i file down the inner diameter to 30.6mm or 30.7mm?

Yes, doing the machine work manually is more effort and attention needs to be paid in maintaining round.
Mine are 30.5mm Test fit along the way and make fine adjustments to insure proper fit and give the ID a light sanding before final install to make sure no metal burrs remain to damage the crystal during install

 

[AllanV]

Comparison of the thin Raffles 6mm crown, right (for 1016, which you just need to ask for) vs the “regular” 6mm crown, left. In some shots the diameter of the regular seems larger, but they are the same diameter. Very pleased with the result… one step closer to my goal (still not quite satisfied with the hands, but the bezel will be the next priority)! Perhaps we could petition Ken at Raffles to make us a batch

Do you know if this thinner 6mm crown would fit a 14270 build? it definitely gives it a more gen like look! Your upgrade to the thinner crown makes your watch look really nice!

 

[AllanV]

For reference:

You are great! Thank you for this comparison !

 

[SummerTimekeeper]

@AllanV Did I hear 14270?! Likewise, I second your idea. It would definitely make it look more gen like!

My 14270 build from Raffle's says hi!

 

[AllanV]

@AllanV Did I hear 14270?! Likewise, I second your idea. It would definitely make it look more gen like!

My 14270 build from Raffle's says hi!

What a nice build! And yes, I think it would suit the 14270 really nice with the thinner crown! I actually received my package today and It was unfortunately an anti climax Rusty bracelet and two dials where the numbers 6 and 9 have fallen off and with a dirty scratched dial. The weird thing is I only ordered one dial. I think I might do a new 14270 thread and post some pictures there. I’m definitely getting back to Raffles regarding the parts, and also order the thinner crown.

 

[Action_Jensen]

So my WSO bezel arived an it looks very promising.
Shipping to germany was super fast via FedEx but also very expensive.
I made some pictures to compare to the Raffles one and as already mentioned here we might have a winner. I think the WSO might be the best non custom bezel jet.
It is a little wider so less casework that ads a little more "chunky" look but most important: If the ID is widened the bezel gets a little flatter all by itself. And we are talking .5mm hight anyway so i think the WSO should be fine.
I do not really trust my cheapo digital calippers so i added the presumed measuring tolerance to the picture.

 

[1016_idiot_savant]

So my WSO bezel arived an it looks very promising.
Shipping to germany was super fast via FedEx but also very expensive.
I made some pictures to compare to the Raffles one and as already mentioned here we might have a winner. I think the WSO might be the best non custom bezel jet.
It is a little wider so less casework that ads a little more "chunky" look but most important: If the ID is widened the bezel gets a little flatter all by itself. And we are talking .5mm hight anyway so i think the WSO should be fine.
I do not really trust my cheapo digital calippers so i added the presumed measuring tolerance to the picture.

Thanks for taking the time to measure and share... this is a game changer!

 

[1016 lover]

Cool, could you share a profile photo when you ll mount it?
I draw mine with 34.8mm outer diameter to have a good continuity, as the WSO is 2.4mm , I think the diameter that is in contact will be smaller than needed

Could you check the angle from the top face and the bottom face?

Mine is 90

The news is that I will have a batch soon

I asked for two diameter mixed batch so one bezel will fit t22 and the other t21.

 

[AggressiveTiger]

Cool, could you share a profile photo when you ll mount it?
I draw mine with 34.8mm outer diameter to have a good continuity, as the WSO is 2.4mm , I think the diameter that is in contact will be smaller than needed

Could you check the angle from the top face and the bottom face?

Mine is 90

The news is that I will have a batch soon

I asked for two diameter mixed batch so one bezel will fit t22 and the other t21.

Would love to grab one of these!