I concur.Damn, if there's ONE thing I'd like to see in rep, it would be a good 1570. I don't even care if it's a cosmetically altered ETA (or 2813, for that matter). Just something that looks the part, on cursory inspection, with the correct diameter and stem height. A drpp in fit to a gen case, or a big motivator for factories to produce more accurate, gen-spec cases.
Not that I'd be upset if they did a faithful 1:1 copy, but I'd be happy with far less.
And if that's not possible how about from the Auto Works Plate up including Rotor?I concur.
Unfortunately, 1016 aficionados are the minority. Not worth it for a factory to produce a clone 1570. I wonder how much it would cost to commission such a thing for say a 100 pieces run?
I don't know for you but I would pay $200 for a clone 1570 (if Raffles also makes a compatible case)
Do you think that Ken from Raffles has contacts to ask around?
It's not just a 1016. The 1570 would be the base of pretty much everything Rolex made from the 4 digit era. 1016, but also the smaller 34mm cases (the 1520 and 1530 were basically the same movement, without chronometer certification). The no-date Subs...5512, 5513, 5517 used this movement, as did the date subs and GMT (with some additional components, but easily modified once the movement is being produced.I concur.
Unfortunately, 1016 aficionados are the minority. Not worth it for a factory to produce a clone 1570. I wonder how much it would cost to commission such a thing for say a 100 pieces run?
I don't know for you but I would pay $200 for a clone 1570 (if Raffles also makes a compatible case)
Do you think that Ken from Raffles has contacts to ask around?
I know that Raffles sells rotor "add ons" and complete rotors marked Rolex (and Tudor). I'm curious if finding some way to add purple to a couple of conspicuous wheels on an ETA movement might be worth doing. I know the GMT version of the 2813 (3804) has wheels that are more or less the right color, also.And if that's not possible how about from the Auto Works Plate up including Rotor?
That way you get the spinny purple reversers, engraving and general shape appeal.
I actually have the equipment to powder coat and ceracote metal, but I think the coating is too "thick" to work on a watch movement. It works great to protect the exterior of things, but on something as precise as a watch gear, I'm guessing it would throw off the tolerances too much.A complete movement , I dont think any factory would bother however a closer rotor and winding assembly with gears could be possible , Heck We could almost achieve that ourselves with the people and facilities that we have access to in this forum. engraving, finishing, assembly. and outsource or invest in the diy anodizing , or diy powder coating kit
I think if someone was to undertake this project, have some parts modified and then offered ready to use movements with the modified auto winding parts , they could have a nice lil side hustle.
Im thinking just stripping the eta parts, engraving and modifying them and then reassembled back onto the movement. defiantly doable.
Okay, who is up for the challenge?
I seem to remember reading that the 3130 has a different stem height, so it doesn't work in 1570 cases...which is a shame, because they're reasonably cheap and reliable. I think there was a version of the 3130 that was not a true clone, but a cosmetically enhanced 2836, but seem to remember they weren't highly regarded.the other option that I had asked once was if a newer Rolex clone movement, or fake clone, could fit a Raffles case.
I was thinking of those 3130 mimicked on a 2836 base. Does a 2824 exist?
Yeah, was thinking we opened up a whole new dimension of DIY here, lol.Dang D, you digging into it right away. I agree with what you have said. I wonder how close the winding assembly on the dg is to fitting an eta. (wishful thinking, I know. ) would save some steps even if we have to drill a new mounting hole or something. Even if we can swap out the fuchsia wheel into the eta.
I like this project. it will be interesting.
The only person this has to fool temporarily is myselfYeah, was thinking we opened up a whole new dimension of DIY here, lol.
Looking at other, simliar things, Some of the Tudor reps had decorated movements, which are SOMEWHAT similar to Rolex. At least for our purposes here, decorating the automatic bridge on an ETA would likely look something like this:
TUD086A - Tudor Royal 28600 41mm SS/SS Blue/Rmn V7F A2836 [TUD086A] - $378.00 : Trusty Time Watch, Your Trusty Watch Shop
Trusty Time Watch TUD086A - Tudor Royal 28600 41mm SS/SS Blue/Rmn V7F A2836 [TUD086A] - V7F Factory Tudor Royal 41mm Reference 28600 MOVEMENT: Asia ETA 2836-2 Automatic movement, 28800bph CASE DIAMETER: 41mm THICKNESS: 10.5mm DIAL COLOR: Blue Dial with Roman Markers CASE MATERIAL: Solid...trustytime888.io
Not perfect, but something that factories could probably tweak a bit if the demand were there. Replace "TUDOR" with "ROLEX", change the dark to gold, and make a couple of those wheels purple, and you've got a pretty inexpensive upgrade that goes a long way to catching the "spirit" of a gen Rolex movment.
Not all of the 1570 engravings would seem to fit on the ETA, but a couple could be moved onto other flat areas in the general layout of the 1570.
Like I said before, it won't fool a watchmaker, but even a passionate enthusiast on the spectrum would probably take a moment to realize it's not gen.
Or an example of how the engraving would look on what appears to be the much smaller ETA bridge.
I just read that the 3135 has the same stem height as the 2824, and would fit the same caseI seem to remember reading that the 3130 has a different stem height, so it doesn't work in 1570 cases...which is a shame, because they're reasonably cheap and reliable. I think there was a version of the 3130 that was not a true clone, but a cosmetically enhanced 2836, but seem to remember they weren't highly regarded.
I seem to remember reading that the 3130 has a different stem height, so it doesn't work in 1570 cases...which is a shame, because they're reasonably cheap and reliable. I think there was a version of the 3130 that was not a true clone, but a cosmetically enhanced 2836, but seem to remember they weren't highly regarded.
have not tried yet.. but raffles sells the crystal gaskets that are needed to swap in a newer movement. alot oof work needs to be done to the inside caseback for clearance to the rotor iirc so seems weird to focus on the movement appearance only to have the inside caseback covered in grind marksI just read that the 3135 has the same stem height as the 2824, and would fit the same case
anyone can confirm? heck I am itching to buy one and try myself