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The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread

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NH38 all the way - as mentioned above, low beat and no date position out-the-box and tough as nails for the ham-fisted (I have a box full of ETAs and ETA clones with FUBARed keyless works despite following stem-removing instructions to the letter). They run like tractors, and once you figure out in which position they run fast and slow, it becomes a sport to keep them in time by placing them stem up, down, etc at night. I might need to readjust the time on my NH38s once a month or so...
Might have to experiment with this. IIRC, the Raffles cases work with either the 2824 or NH35, so it's just a matter of removing the other dial feet and sourcing hands.

I happen to have an extra set of Explorer hands for the NH35, too...
 

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New dial offering from Ruby for the 5500

the specs claim its 29mm that seems like a typo to me.

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New dial offering from Ruby for the 5500

the specs claim its 29mm that seems like a typo to me.

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That's a shame, because that dial wouldn't work as a 29mm.

The Raffles dial for the 5500 is big like that as well...but the actual 5500 is a 34mm case, and uses a 27mm dial. As far as I know, there aren't any gen spec 5500 dials except Mochacha and Yuki...this one and Raffles are made for the incorrect 36mm case. That's a damn beautiful dial, though...love the gilt and the texture. :love:

The gen and Raffles 34mm cases take a 27mm dial, and there aren't any 36mm Explorers that have "Super Precision" on the dial, aren't they all chronometers in 36mm and non-chronometers in the 34mm size? Apologies if I'm wrong on this. I thought all 36mm were chronometers, and all 34mm were non-chrono (like the Air King this is based on).

These are the Yuki dial options:




And this is Mochacha:



I've got both of these, and am trying to create a gilt dial to round out the "set," lol. Haven't built any into watches yet, still assembling the parts needed and doing the research on what is correct as far as hands, and finish go.

The 5500 is a really neat way to get into building reps on the cheap. Gen 34mm cases (including actual 5500 cases) are still very inexpensive (no love for smaller cases, for whatever reason), and it's a very simple dial and hands, so no need to spend thousands of dollars to fool the pickiest rep fans.
 
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On the topic of 34mm

from a few pages back, I shared this pic:

THis was posted in a watch group on FB I asked the owner if the dial had been refinished.

He claimed he did not know but he did tell us that it was a 34mm , which would confirm 100% refinished because there was never any SCOC text on a 5500 explorer .

Someone called him out and said it was a fake.
he replied by calling them a fake enthusiast.
end of my exciting fb story drama lol

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On the topic of 34mm

from a few pages back, I shared this pic:

THis was posted in a watch group on FB I asked the owner if the dial had been refinished.

He claimed he did not know but he did tell us that it was a 34mm , which would confirm 100% refinished because there was never any SCOC text on a 5500 explorer .

Someone called him out and said it was a fake.
he replied by calling them a fake enthusiast.
end of my exciting fb story drama lol

HEFLzt.jpeg
The Rubys dial is similar to this one, with relatively large 3, 6, and 9 indices. I can't find a photo of a gen with those size numbers (although I just did a cursory look on Google). Most of the ones I could find pictures of are proportioned like a 1016. Not sure if the ones with the larger "font" are adaptations of another Explorer dial tweaked to be a 5500, or something I'm just not finding.

And just like that, another rabbit hole opens up...damn this thread...
 
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The Rubys dial is similar to this one, with relatively large 3, 6, and 9 indices. I can't find a photo of a gen with those size numbers (although I just did a cursory look on Google). Most of the ones I could find pictures of are proportioned like a 1016. Not sure if the ones with the larger "font" are adaptations of another Explorer dial tweaked to be a 5500, or something I'm just not finding.

And just like that, another rabbit hole opens up...damn this thread...
I am guessing it's a Mark1

but the more I look at it, the more I wonder if the dial is really gen

The rest of the watch seems to be gen. No clue about the movement but the hands really seem fishy to me
 

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Some photos for comparison:

Gen 5500 Explorers (random photos from the web, mostly chosen because the perspective is head on and similar to the dial shots), both "Precision" and "Super Precision" vs the reps mentioned in the last few threads...Raffles, Ruby's (both 28-29mm) Mochacha and Yuki (both 27mm) and the Facebook one shared with teh suspect dial.

Basically, everything that's currently available besides custom and DIY. There doesn't seem to be a TON of variations on the gens, at least not to the extent of the 1016 or 5513 or similar. The biggest variations were gloss or matte dial, gilt or painted, and "Precision" or "Super Precision" (which is sometimes underlined).



To my "untrained but learning" eye:

Yuki and Raffles have the best font. Ruby's and Mochacha aren't as good (font too small), and Ruby's has numbers that are too thick.

Ruby's is the only option with gilt dial, the rest are painted white or aged.

Raffles and Ruby's are too big (28.5-29mm), designed for the incorrect 36mm case. Yuki and Mochacha are correct for the 34mm case (27mm).

I have to wonder if you couldn't shave off 1mm all around (actually, a bit less) on the Raffles dial and have a very nice, cheap option (making it the best of the "Super Precision" options) This would make it probably the best bang for the buck, with a little elbow grease. Maybe put it in a dremel and spin it against some sandpaper until you've taken off .75mm all around. They're far from fragile, so I assume this might work.

Yuki seems to be the most accurate overall, although quite a bit more expensive than Raffles (~$100 + $50 shipping).

Ruby's is absolutely beautiful, but I don't see anything gen that matches it exactly.

Mochacha is a very nice dial, but not a super close match to gen.

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This is the template for the waterslide decal for a gilt dial. It honestly looks like it has the same 3,6,9 as the Ruby dial (and the one shared from Facebook), but teh ROLEX/OYSTER PERPETUAL/EXPLORER font is closer to gen. To my eyes, it's probably the best option if nothing but gilt will do...provided you have the skill and equipment to do it right.


 
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peer pressure is horrible.
Please note the Chef's knife from
Slightly passive aggresive but I'll take it.
Welcome to "Sunday Evening 1016 Thread Kitchen Shot Club"
 

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it should never come off your wrist!!
...and yet, 369, it appears a 1016 is not on your wrist - for we have not yet had a kitchen shot from you . . .
Come on; if you want to join the "Sunday Evening 1016 Thread Kitchen Shot Club"...
 
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Fantastic 369. Well done. (Nice gilt dial on that - hands look particularly nice)
You're in the club.

Keep them coming guys.
Sunday Evevning (Non-Time-Zone specific) in the Kitchen 1016 Shot Club membership is currently open . .
 

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Fantastic 369. Well done. (Nice gilt dial on that - hands look particularly nice)
You're in the club.

Keep them coming guys.
Sunday Evevning (Non-Time-Zone specific) in the Kitchen 1016 Shot Club membership is currently open . .
I'm starving, and now I know what I'm doing BEFORE I EAT when I get home, lol.