So you all know it all .. Well try this

[Anopsis]

I haven't seen any actual flaming in these posts, just honest, constructive criticism. I don't think anyone's been rude with what they've said...

 

[bblake]

This is a Flame Free area but it makes it hard when the OP starts the way he did. (which is incidentally, the way he always seems to). I'm a bit sick of it all as well. Yes, he's declared he's a British tax exile hiding out in Asia. Also, for some strange reason, the US tax authorities have some interest in him.
Is there some point where posting dubious nonsense (my opinion and my call) in a Flame Free area, whilst simultaneously insulting other members, is an abuse of the reasons a Flame Free area was initially set up.
Or perhaps I have misunderstood the sentiment behind a Flame Free zone. Is is that the OP has a monopoly on innuendo and insults but by posting in this area, subsequent posters are obliged to ignore this and be nice?

 

[mw1015]

so... whats the difference between an A grade and a D grade 7750 once they have been serviced properly?

 

[jvd45]

Look Im not defending the OP but it is apparent if you read the post without getting too incensed yourselves..... while the grading of movements has been discussed before, and in my earlier post I hinted at the fact that the OP shouldn't be surprised if he attracted skepticism. This was not because I anticipated that our egos were so fragile that injured feelings were all that we were going to care about, but because it would bring back the days of the higher pricing scams of "AAA+++ Swiss" as HK has posted elsewhere on another topic.


Also when I think about grading in the past it was probably that it worked or it didnt and binned accordingly.., I never thought that there was anything like the sophisticated QC of putting it on a timing machine and regulating in 3 positions before it found its was into a watch. It makes sense to do,...

so... whats the difference between an A grade and a D grade 7750 once they have been serviced properly?

so apparently, because these are not assembled in a clean room, before a service impurities or a damaged gear , tooth, correct gauge of oil in the correct places in the correct quantity,.. whatever may prevent a 7750 from functioning optimally ... a proper service should involve disassembly and oiling as per ETA/ Val. s guidelines and/or the replacement of defective parts. By then both should have no difference OR there is something so fundamentally wrong about the D that it would make fixing it uneconomical.

 

[JellyJoe]

so... whats the difference between an A grade and a D grade 7750 once they have been serviced properly?

A grade A 7750 will end up being more reliable and sharper after speed regulation.

Nobody has been rude, OP was a bit edgy, I'd put that aside. And being rich and full of gens hardly makes anybody a rep expert. I'd state the opposite actually. I have some gens and only a few reps, I never bought a rep on internet. Infact I ain't a rep pro at all.
Some seniors may sound a bit Mr-know-it-all at times. If u aren't in a wrong, defensive attitude, sometimes you notice they actually know it all lol. Having an intensive interest in reps have brought some of the guys in here to be bachelor graduates. Experience is experience, not always a matter of opinion. (of course nobody has the right to be arrogant cos he knows better)
So sometimes you feel like you came up with the latest brilliant brain child and an old school rep freak points out you just invented an umbrella. It might be frustrating but don't put up.
It'd be wiser to try n absorb people's knowledge instead of fighting it back for the love of the Pole Position.
We can't all be pros
Peace.


JellyJoe

 

[Yannou]

UK-

The information you have posted since you arrived here has been good information. However, your posts always seem to have the same underlying theme...."I know more than others. Let me show you." I think you could be a very valuable member of this community. No real need to preach to it. Just be a member of the community. Offer your insights, participate in ohter threads etc..

Hope to see you around.

Agree

 

[takashi]

The way I see this, UKASIA may be provoked by my reply on his another thread on the Hublot Big Bang. If I sound too pompous, I am sorry. It's just that your sudden post on the Hublot stirs too much skepticism on my part. Yes, the information provided is good but I think it has been scrutinised at great length already.

Besides, we are all waiting your reply on this thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/part-3-asian-truth-44120p4

 

[rooster133]

Huuuuuuuuge...

Look, I agree with bblake... A flame-free zone doesn't give you a licence to tell everyone off, or whatever, and expect immunity. It's not the spirit of the flame free area... For once I would just like to see UKASIA ask a question rather than always try to answer questions nobody asked.

Having said that, I like anyone who contributes to the forum, and this guy is trying, athough in a somewhat misguided way.

 

[UKASIA]

My response so far

If there is one thing I have learned living in Asia for the last 7 years is that Asians don't trust non Asians .

The fact remains it takes quite a lot of trust for me to establish FACTS not hearsay and I share not for glory but for interest.

With regards to my collection I have more dead replicas than I care to mention I have an obsessive nature and my business dealings for years have led to an arrogant stance when questioned. It is who I am

If i don't understand something I learn about it until I do, the replica market is hidden and dark for obvious reasons, it is also one of the most hyped and bullshit promoted products I know .

When I say bullshited I mean fabricated lies about where it is made and what it is made of and what movement it has in it, and how close it is to the gen

Fact remains as in my original post only recently have the Chinese switched on to grading their movements and it will filter down, mark my words. Luck will become charged for now so premium units will cost more.

With regards to COSC I know some can achieve this but for the buyer off the shelf reps the lottery is large as to what grade you will get .. until some time soon that is.

Now to my pictures, just to put it in context I have been to Thailand, Hong Kong, UK and the Philippines ( where I am now ) since I posted my first post. Time is my schedule so generally my posts have been done while waiting for my flights to leave at relevant airports.

Just as a point while shopping around here (Philippines) without exception every rep is being sold with the sales pitch they come from Korea and they have Swiss movements inside. If you buy from here that is what most will tell you, both points being just plain lies.

With regards to the inventiveness we find to solve problems in this hobby of ours I have no doubt others have researched the facts and I have no doubt knowledge is high, but it is a moving market and what is new today can change by tomorrow all I can say is I get to know about it sooner than most as I live where that change takes place.

Pics will come when I get time and for fun my right offs will go there too, with regards to my originals most are Rolex and recently my interest has changed to Hublot reps, so comparison will be my Rolex with my Rolex reps , but if you want my opinion these Hublots blow every other rep I have away, so I will post some of those too .

Hey all said and done isn't this what a forum is for .. Debate ..at least I get some going in that regard.

 

[ahw676]

Look, I agree with bblake... A flame-free zone doesn't give you a license to tell everyone off, or whatever, and expect immunity. It's not the spirit of the flame free area...

I agree with the above and UKASIA is no longer naive to this forum. Thread has been moved to general discussion and I expect everyone, OP and responders alike, to treat each other with courtesy and respect.

 

[JellyJoe]

I found your posts interesting, I would like to have some more insight about whatever you think worth sharing. If a bit of attitude stood in the way, maybe it was just a misunderstanding and it can be put aside for a better spirit of collaboration and common good. Sometimes a slight initial friction can lead to a better understanding of each others.
After all having different points of view, provided they are expressed in good-faith, makes a community richer.
That's how I'd personally sort it out.
I hope you will keep posting.


JellyJoe

 

[coop]

Ukasia, you do know we have members that LIVE in asia? You make it sound like no one on this forum has been there but you. We do have some first hand knowledge.

Why dont you do a thread on HOW to spot the different grades of 7750, and show some pics to assist? Or maybe a thread on how to overhaul or rebuild a 7750?

Alot of the members have been collecting reps for a long time (myself over 10 years), so posting existing knowledge isnt going to gain you any point, at least the way you present it. I mean, titling the thread "so you think you know it all", c'mon.

Im still waiting to hear how you gained access to the factories when T4D stated that he cant.

 

[techlogik]

Interesting read, this isn't surprising to anybody that has ever worked in manufacturing. It is the nature of the beast.

But I don't care, I always mod my watches and replace them with Swiss movements anyway....of course they are all Grade A Swiss...haha...

 

[bblake]

And I'd like to hear some details about where you are "hanging". Where are you checking out these reps in the Phillipines for example?
I'd love to hear some details. It's a very big place and a very interesting one. I'm not "testing" you out or anything, but it would be great to hear about the scene in a place that I'm very familiar with.

 

[coop]

I suspect we wont hear from him again for a while. Its how he operates. Logs in, posts 1 or 2 posts to let us know how little we know, then goes away. And he has never really address some of the questions or posted pics.

 

[jmb]

I think this "grading" is common on a lot of Chinese machinery in general. Take machine tools for example, a lot of them come from the same factory, made on the same line, using the same materials. Company A orders the tool and specifies it's quality level and pays X. The items are QC screened at the factory and those meeting company A's requirements are painted and labeled appropriately and sent to Company A. Company B has less stringent requirements so their batch is "culled" from the remaining stock, sold to them for X-??, and so on down the line. This is why a tool that is purchased with the brand name of, say, JET will have a higher quality level than the same identical piece of machinery from Harbor Freight.

 

[takashi]

I am with coop here and you remind me very much of Jetmid. Is that you?

 

[guru]

Again, not news. I have written numerous reviews on different Asian 7750 grade on Cousteau Divers and a few other watches (Breitling Chronomat, etc.).

Thanks for reiterating the points but so far, adjusting most Asian 7750 to get close to COSC specs is not hard at all. Many have done it before.

Perhaps guru may chime in here. He used toothpick normally and he can achieve 0-1 sec a day.

You are speaking based on first hand experience as you mentioned, so do I.

I just saw this, and I agree with what Taka said. I only was aware of 3 different grades of A7750 movements.

I do not know what kind of grade I have in my watches, but I have all regulated them that they run not mor the +2 sec per day. My latest
project with an HBB Black Magic is now running +1 sec in one week. It cannot get any better.

I also need to agree what UKASIA said regarding the HBB's, I got 3 HBB's from the expansive production when they came out, the watches were around 1K USD at that time, all movements in that watches were clean, oiled and were running perfect.

I remember when Taka was here in Germany and we got 5 IWC's for repair, all movements looked rosty and the must have been grade 4.

Next question is now, how much money would an A7750 grade A be, I guess maybe 40 USD?

 

[hk45ca]

I am with coop here and you remind me very much of Jetmid. Is that you?

JETMID LIVES!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jvd45]

ok, Ive seen this jetmid crop up one too many times already!.. who in the blue fu.. sky is jetmid?