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Interesting insight that the rep factories don't make anything but more assembly.
Noob seems to have the exclusivity of 4130 and since this is a replica industry I doubt they have some form of "contract" with their factory(s) to maintain this "exclusivity"? The 4130 is not a movement to be use in the gen world beside Rolex so unless some of it parts can be repurpose for other movements. So I am failing to understand, the factory(s) must only make this movement for the rep industry and some how noob has this "strong hold" with it even though they don't make it.
Noob seems to have the exclusivity of 4130 and since this is a replica industry I doubt they have some form of "contract" with their factory(s) to maintain this "exclusivity"? The 4130 is not a movement to be use in the gen world beside Rolex so unless some of it parts can be repurpose for other movements. So I am failing to understand, the factory(s) must only make this movement for the rep industry and some how noob has this "strong hold" with it even though they don't make it.
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It is, though. It's just never prosecuted because it is unrealistic, like for many italian laws.
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I have always thought the sa4130 was some sort of in-house movement.
Noob must have some sort of contract though, both on the sa4130 and the bezel of the pepsi. Noob was the only factory to have them
Well.. That's the thing.. How do you have a contract for illegal activities? Besides some sort of triad rules etc which governs this exclusivity, I'm interested how the enforcement works and are adhered.
Anyway.. Lets how PureTime is wrong and noob will be back at work soon.
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I know nothing of how large, illegal businesses in China work, but it's impossible to have things run without contracts.
You need workers to show up every morning at the shop.
You need suppliers to send parts in time.
You need tools, supplies, utilities... they need some sort of contract.
But I also think that if a factory owns a movement that's in high demand someone else is going to step up if the factory disappear.
The main risk here is if authorities have confiscated or destroyed ALL the machines and tools.
That's a lot of money. A big risk, today.
As mentioned here before, most (if not all?) parts come from subcontractors and this are in most cases factories, who have a "legal" and an "illegal" business combined. If a company produces thousands of cases for legal manufactors and also cases for the Rep-Industry, they allready have the workers, machines, suppliers and so on. As far as the information of the recent raids trickle through, these subcontractors where one target of the raids.
I have enjoyed seeing the Rep watches improve in quality in the last few years. If it becomes too hard in the future with these raids to continue making great Reps, I have a suggestion.
What if these factories just make a clone of Rolex, Omega etc., and put their own name on it. I would still buy them and the Chinese will be a legal competitor of the Swiss.
What if these factories just make a clone of Rolex, Omega etc., and put their own name on it. I would still buy them and the Chinese will be a legal competitor of the Swiss.
Keylog74
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It's no longer illegal the possession for personal use, however, selling them is a criminal offense.
H7-25
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Smart idea!
This would also support the greater Chinese plan to build strong Chinese companies in each industry.
Just one aspect as a flipside: gen watches are like exclusive jewellery: you don‘t pay the price as a ratio of input factors like material and craftsmanship. The largest part is for the image. A 1:1 replica of a Rolex would never sell to the same price because it‘s lacking the strong brand image.
But maybe it would be enough to sell it for just 50% of the Gen price?
God forbid! Then we all need to pay this price.
This market already exists, it is the hommage.
They can also be categorised as cheap (Pagani design, Bersigar, Parnis etc), mid-range (San marten, Heimdallr etc. ), high-end (Steinhart, Ginault etc).
manuelmay
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No the possess isn’t illegal, just if they find you buyin a fake watch they can give you a fine.
Another flipside is, that not only the names but also some design elements are protected by the copyright laws. The database of the European Patent Office has alone nearly 1.600 Patents form Rolex:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search?q=Rolex
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You have no idea what you are talking about, the above makes this quite obvious because every last bit of it is incorrect. Noob do not make anything, they assemble from parts obtained from legitimate suppliers the same as any other rep "factory" does. They supply some tooling such as moulds to some of those suppliers but that's it.
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trailboss99
First of all I am by no means an expert!
Secondly, thank you for your input and it's interesting to see that 'factories' assemble parts from legitimate suppliers, according to the information you've given. I kind of had an inkling i.e., I know that the VSF, ZF and ZZF factories all use the same clean factory insert to build their hulks (except VSF which has the CF insert with the new 'anti-fingerprint technology'.
You are correct in assuming that I'm not fully aware of the process to assemble these watches. But what I categorically didn't say, is that these watches are MADE completely by Noob or one sole factory. I said the "systems in place and machinery" to assemble these watches with the said parts you are talking about (unless they assemble them by hand) have value. For example, these systems can be the precise knowledge on how to accurately put together a NOOB V4 using these sourced parts.
Therefore it is safe to assume that, Noob has the capacity to bounce back following these raids. This is because the incumbent factory, Noob in this case, has more experience compared to any possible new factories that may arise in order to meet customer demands (insinuated from the fact that there are claims of Noob being shut down for good).
Lastly, my 1st factor of consideration is my sole opinion and not based on facts, but rather what is likely. I do not expect (logistically speaking), Noob to be operating under one roof. So these raids may not have knock on effects onto their other locations, indeed if they have any. Of course, this is something I'm not sure of but is a reasonable assumption that I have made and you can shed more light on.
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why is it a weird first post? I'm waiting on a watch from puretime and they have jerked me around for 5 weeks with no QC, i asked for a refund and now they are telling me they don't have any money in their paypal account, hmmmm... I want to know the truth about whaats actually happening
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manuelmay
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Have you checked if it was the real puretime? There’re a few scam sites named after the original one
