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{*PCTeam*} Quick&Dirty KW PAM 127 comments

Luke Warm

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What is also apparent from Marlin's photos is that the sunburst effect on the bridges seems to be completely absent in the KW.
 

marlin2284

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What is also apparent from Marlin's photos is that the sunburst effect on the bridges seems to be completely absent in the KW.

Like I mentioned it is just the camera angle, the sunburst on the KW is the best I have seen to date and believe me I've seen many.... Notice how it spirals evenly across all the bridges as if were one solid piece, the pictures where just quick and dirty to show the font issue.

As I have stated the finishes are excellent



Her is another example notice the spiral X across all the bridges without any distortion. It just flows smoothly from the center point
 

chris3007

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The 6497 movement from the KW127 is the best rep movement i have seen at all. My movement was very clan and well assembled.

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Sent from my iPad Air 2
 

ALE7575

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The 6497 movement from the KW127 is the best rep movement i have seen at all. My movement was very clan and well assembled.

Thanks Chris for the pics and comments
Good and useful pictorial
Nice to see you have not forgotten us despite you new job as Section Mod.

tahnks again
ALE
 

undercoverz

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Bought my KW 127 from a dealer in China. Later it turned out that KW ran out of its own movements so it just used SF version of the 6497-2 movement, in which the location of the engraved "PANERAI" are compeletely off. What a shame! Then I was fortunately to find a gen ETA 6497-1 movement purportedly modded by "Eddie Lee" through another dealer (who regularly imports gen ETA movements from overseas) in China so I got it replaced at an extra cost of $300.
 

Nebakanezzar

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Bought my KW 127 from a dealer in China. Later it turned out that KW ran out of its own movements so it just used SF version of the 6497-2 movement, in which the location of the engraved "PANERAI" are compeletely off. What a shame! Then I was fortunately to find a gen ETA 6497-1 movement purportedly modded by "Eddie Lee" through another dealer (who regularly imports gen ETA movements from overseas) in China so I got it replaced at an extra cost of $300.

oooh, i was getting ready to pull the trigger on a KW fiddy, this news is a bit worrisome...can anyone confirm if KW is now using the SF movement?

also, was considering getting the Perfect Clones KW fiddy with OOR serial, can anyone confirm the OOR version is exactly the same as the regular production version...minus the serial of course ;P

thanks.
 

lmmo

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Bought my KW 127 from a dealer in China. Later it turned out that KW ran out of its own movements so it just used SF version of the 6497-2 movement, in which the location of the engraved "PANERAI" are compeletely off. What a shame! Then I was fortunately to find a gen ETA 6497-1 movement purportedly modded by "Eddie Lee" through another dealer (who regularly imports gen ETA movements from overseas) in China so I got it replaced at an extra cost of $300.

Was it one of our TDs?

If the movement is not right, then maybe what you just have is a SF version and not a KW at all.
 

JMMC

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Bought my KW 127 from a dealer in China. Later it turned out that KW ran out of its own movements so it just used SF version of the 6497-2 movement, in which the location of the engraved "PANERAI" are compeletely off. What a shame! Then I was fortunately to find a gen ETA 6497-1 movement purportedly modded by "Eddie Lee" through another dealer (who regularly imports gen ETA movements from overseas) in China so I got it replaced at an extra cost of $300.

Who said - "KW ran out of its own movements so it just used SF version of the 6497-2 movement" .
The TD said that to you? Or that was just your conclusion?
As Immo said, may be what you have is just a SF unit, not a franken KW-SF (that would be a serious matter!!!)
Thanks for the info.
 

maxnty

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I just ordered a KW 127 from InTime. This is a pic from the back. Was yours different ?

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Monet333

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This is what I got as KW pics. Can't really tell, maybe someone else can.
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undercoverz

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Talk to a TD and get a few QC shots if possible. I've heard that the batches the facs sent abroad might be better than the ones we can get in China. Should it be a SF movement then the location of the engravings are haphazardly arranged, so it's an easy tell. Moreover, my KW 127 hasthe OOR serial so I can confirm there's no other difference than the movement.
 

undercoverz

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oooh, i was getting ready to pull the trigger on a KW fiddy, this news is a bit worrisome...can anyone confirm if KW is now using the SF movement?

also, was considering getting the Perfect Clones KW fiddy with OOR serial, can anyone confirm the OOR version is exactly the same as the regular production version...minus the serial of course ;P

thanks.

Talk to a TD and get a few QC shots if possible. I've heard that the batches the facs sent abroad might be better than the ones we can get in China. Should it be a SF movement then the location of the engravings are haphazardly arranged, so it's an easy tell. Moreover, my KW 127 has the OOR serial so I can confirm there's no other difference than the movement.
 

undercoverz

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{*PCTeam*} Quick&Dirty KW PAM 127 comments

Was it one of our TDs?

If the movement is not right, then maybe what you just have is a SF version and not a KW at all.

No, it's not from a TD on this forum. It's from a local dealer in Guangzhou, China.

Yes I've ascertained my piece is a KW one by comparing multiple pixs on PureTime with different versions. KW's 127 case is the best so far so it's not easy to mistake it for another. Plus I have the OOR serial, no other fac makes this other than KW.
 

undercoverz

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Who said - "KW ran out of its own movements so it just used SF version of the 6497-2 movement" .
The TD said that to you? Or that was just your conclusion?
As Immo said, may be what you have is just a SF unit, not a franken KW-SF (that would be a serious matter!!!)
Thanks for the info.

Well, at first it was just my speculation after comparing multiple photos on PureTime featuring the three versions (SF, ZF, KW) currently offered. I was able to conclude with confidence that the case itself was KW (especially mine is with an OOR serial) while the movement was SF (largely because of wrong locations of backcaser engravings). Then I went to my dealer (who likes KW but hates ZF) and made this suggestion to him. He later confirmed with the vendor from KW it was indeed the case.

I've heard the dynamics among those facs is that there's quite a bit of rivalry between KW and ZK since 2013. Other than that, they usually remain on friendly terms with each other so it's not uncommon to inter-change parts if one runs out something.

Plus consistency between batches is always a latent issue with reps. I recently made a purchase of IWC Le Petit Prince Chronographt from V6F (KW). Its backcase engravings are quite different from what is shown on most pixs on rep-dealers' sites, which Li believe belong to the previous batch.
 

JMMC

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Plus I have the OOR serial, no other fac makes this other than KW.

Well, If you suggest factories cooperate/exchange certain pieces/movements...
then, OOR does not mean too much, doesn´t it? (could also be exchanged)
It's just a caseback inscription :)