{*PCTeam*} Quick&Dirty KW PAM 127 comments

[undercoverz]

A new thread is perhaps more suitable.

Alright. I do it now. It's just hard to use either FlickR or Photobucket for photo-posting purpose >.<

 

[kingcrab]

so, assuming if both 127 and 217 are from KW, 127 is better than 217? I thought the minor differences are one is "lefty" and the dials have different wordings? thx

 

[cal8500]

Does the swan neck at the movement fully working or is it only for optics?

 

[ALE7575]

Does the swan neck at the movement fully working or is it only for optics?

Some reading for you:

“SWAN NECK” (Part I) – What is this? How does it work?
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...is-this-How-does-it-work?p=831645#post-831645

“SWAN NECK” (Part II) – Does it work in replicas?
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...Does-it-work-in-replicas?p=831646#post-831646

“SWAN NECK” (Part III) – Statistical Analysis of faults and reliability in replicas
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/swan-neck-part-iii-statistical-90559?t=90559


ALE

 

[cal8500]

Thanks. I have read and understand.

But finally it don't answers my question, but maybe I have to quest in another way: Is the swan neck of the KW-movement fully working?

If we compare this pic for example:

...we can see, ZF doesn't work. SF and KW - (might) work, at least in their current position. But we don't know, about the tensile strength of the swan neck spring, and so in this case, how much it's possible to turn into + until tensile strength is to low to press to regulator head

So another question would be, if anyone has checked this (maybe Marlin) and some guys - especially you - know it?

 

[ALE7575]

Rep Swan neck devices don't work at all. They are currently all the same either Noob or H maker or KW... etc

Swan neck springs are cheap metal usually brass and sometimes standard SS which have no tensile strength possibilities.

You can be happy to get a cosmetical correct device and working about 0,5mm of the complete field (and not necessarilly in the point that you need)
Anyway that doesn't affect the movement working, just you cannot have the features of a real Swan neck device.

ALE

 

[cal8500]

Thanks for explaining.

Anyway that doesn't affect the movement working, just you cannot have the features of a real Swan neck device.

...working about 0,5mm of the complete field (and not necessarilly in the point that you need)

These two points maybe conflicted. If movement runs fast/slow and you have to adjust more than about 0,5mm???

Okay, just remember the solution: Adjusting the regular way, without using the (comfortable) swan neck.

 

[ALE7575]

Thanks for explaining.





These two points maybe conflicted. If movement runs fast/slow and you have to adjust more than about 0,5mm???

Okay, just remember the solution: Adjusting the regular way, without using the (comfortable) swan neck.

OK
You have to regulate the watch in the usual way, forgetting the Swan Neck device

ALE

 

[cal8500]

Here is a KW127 dial, lume is full charged under blacklight

Sent from my iPhone 6

What material is the upper (black) dial?

Could it be, that it only be plastic?

 

[ALE7575]

What material is the upper (black) dial?

Could it be, that it only be plastic?

It should be brass like gen

But in a rep could be brass or some other metal as iron or aluminium (most likely brass)

NEVER plastic !!

ALE

 

[cal8500]

NEVER plastic !!

ALE

Are you sure?

I inspected some (installed) PAM-sandwich-dials with magnifier and at one dial I noticed some imperfections that looks like rough edges from engraved plastic or something else - but not at all any kind of metal.

Maybe the base dial of rep-sandwich-dial could be brass, but the upper (black) dial...?

 

[chris3007]

{*PCTeam*} Quick&Dirty KW PAM 127 comments

100% metal

Sent from my iPhone 6

 

[ALE7575]

Are you sure?

I inspected some (installed) PAM-sandwich-dials with magnifier and at one dial I noticed some imperfections that looks like rough edges from engraved plastic or something else - but not at all any kind of metal.

Maybe the base dial of rep-sandwich-dial could be brass, but the upper (black) dial...?

Metal for sure
All imperfections you can see would come from the coating

ALE

 

[cal8500]

100% metal

Thanks - but for me it looks (optical) explicit like plastic.

The grooves, the pattern/surface after sanding or remove ridges - all looks 100% plastic to me.

The marks beside 12 marker looks like some hot material was pressed into the 'plastic' - am I'm wrong?

 

[NickOT]

Thanks - but for me it looks (optical) explicit like plastic.

The grooves, the pattern/surface after sanding or remove ridges - all looks 100% plastic to me.

The marks beside 12 marker looks like some hot material was pressed into the 'plastic' - am I'm wrong?

It is metal, I've handled the dials before and can also confirm.

 

[cal8500]

^^^All right, I believe all you guys. If you're all handled that dials, your statement was clearly right instead of mine, by only inspect pics or magnifier (through the crystal)

Thank you.

 

[NickOT]

^^^All right, I believe all you guys. If you're all handled that dials, your statement was clearly right instead of mine, by only inspect pics or magnifier (through the crystal)

Thank you.

Well there is a coating of matte paint on it, which would look more plastic. So if you are just looking at it you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. And most paints are technically plastics as well.

 

[cal8500]

Well there is a coating of matte paint on it, which would look more plastic. So if you are just looking at it you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. And most paints are technically plastics as well.

:thanks:

 

[shelby1501]

Looks like we have another player in 127 game again: http://watchbus.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3487&extra=page=1

 

[Alfred Cock]

Nice to hear noob is making the 127 again :-D Hope it is as good as it was