Not worth buying in gen

[Retina]

you guys should see what [MENTION=84805]occb2[/MENTION] has been cooking up in the Yuki movement for rolex, he changes several parts out of the yuki movement and it runs beautifully according to him. albeit slight differences here and there, the work he does is nothing short of fantastic.

as for asian and eta movements, its incomparable, i find eta movements are smoother and more reliable (less prone to breaking down). Asian movements are good for budget conscious builds, you just use and throw it away when it breaks.

I don't claim to be an expert on movements, but from experience, if a watch is a keeper, i would think it is worth a swap to eta movements as opposed to an asian beat.

 

[timnic54]

you guys should see what @occb2 has been cooking up in the Yuki movement for rolex, he changes several parts out of the yuki movement and it runs beautifully according to him. albeit slight differences here and there, the work he does is nothing short of fantastic.

as for asian and eta movements, its incomparable, i find eta movements are smoother and more reliable (less prone to breaking down). Asian movements are good for budget conscious builds, you just use and throw it away when it breaks.

I don't claim to be an expert on movements, but from experience, if a watch is a keeper, i would think it is worth a swap to eta movements as opposed to an asian beat.

I like ETA movements for anything but Rolex The problem is that the crown position is wrong and the Keyless goes backwards making the watch a poor rep. I prefer the AS 3135 Buy a couple of spares service them and swap them in an hour if you have a problem. The stem issue is now fixed on the later issues. The stem itself is significantly fatter and stronger. The PR issues were always down to dirty and dry spring barrels ( fixed with a service) This was also probably the reason for low amplitude.

 

[Retina]

I like ETA movements for anything but Rolex The problem is that the crown position is wrong and the Keyless goes backwards making the watch a poor rep. I prefer the AS 3135 Buy a couple of spares service them and swap them in an hour if you have a problem. The stem issue is now fixed on the later issues. The stem itself is significantly fatter and stronger. The PR issues were always down to dirty and dry spring barrels ( fixed with a service) This was also probably the reason for low amplitude.

didnt know about that! that's interesting! im going to try my hand on tinkering with movements later next month.... starting with old broken pocket watches off the bay...

might slowly progress to the smaller movements once i decide my hands are not shaking like a jackhammer...

 

[sub4me]

Enjoy my friend it is good to laugh This guy has also been around Forums long enough to know not to enter into an argument with someone who has been around 10 years has very high post count and has almost certainly earned his stripes. Have a great day :drinks_cheers:

That's a good idea and I agree with you. Have a great day. I understand the point you were making but we have a difference in thinking on the matter. Which is fine.

 

[sub4me]

Fixed that for you :thumbup:

Unless you'd like me to start fixing all your posts knock it off and move on.

 

[timnic54]

Sorry couldn't resist Have a great day [emoji3]


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[Variatio Delectat]

very high post count

Every now and then you come across the fact that a hig post count does not prove a thing. Well, except a high post count.

 

[Tickleshoes]

I believe [MENTION=121094]timnic54[/MENTION] knows his stuff. Admittedly the only gen movement I've handled is a 3135, so yeah I guess my experience is relative. There are pros and cons to a free sprung balance with the breguet overcoil. I have examined it under a microscope and am preeeeety sure I saw real fairy dust in there

I do like the fact that we get to have these "spirited" debates with people who might have different opinions but obviously know what they're talking about! Cheers.

 

[timnic54]

I believe @timnic54 knows his stuff. Admittedly the only gen movement I've handled is a 3135, so yeah I guess my experience is relative. There are pros and cons to a free sprung balance with the breguet overcoil. I have examined it under a microscope and am preeeeety sure I safe real fairy dust in there

I do like the fact that we get to have these "spirited" debates with people who might have different opinions but obviously know what they're talking about! Cheers.

I actually like the idea of a free sprung balance it offers undeniably more reliable isochronism, easily evident on a timegrapher with a well regulated FSB. However in Abe Breguet's day in the late 1700s Isochronism was a very much more important factor in timekeeping. The modern regulated balance should provide equally good results and the advantage is that regulation , although more frequently needed is much simpler.
Like so many other wonderful movement functions I really feel the FSB is probably functionally obsolete. Like the tourbillon which once again invented by Abe Breguet to overcome the movements tendency to behave differently in different positions. In recent years no-one has been able to evidence that they are in anyway more accurate. Although a marvel to behold, pretty much obsolete.
I genuinely feel the a well lubricated and clean 28XX will easily match a 3135 in consistent timekeeping and has the potential to work for longer between major overhaul. The only exception being the possible need for more frequent though simpler regulation. I also believe that if well lubed and cleaned it matters little if it was made in China or Switzerland.
This is of course just one persons opinion and I will add that I am not a watchmaker nor repairer. Just an enthusiast. I have enormous respect for those like Tickleshoes who can walk the walk as opposed to just talk the talk like me.

 

[Tickleshoes]

I genuinely feel the a well lubricated and clean 28XX will easily match a 3135 in consistent timekeeping and has the potential to work for longer between major overhaul. The only exception being the possible need for more frequent though simpler regulation.

Agreed. As mentioned my top grade 2824 is bonkers accurate. Loses about 30 sec a month in constant use in my TC 16610LN. It's amazing! And of course I can rip it apart and put it back together with simple tools and a little know-how. No microstella wrenches and that. As a guy who specializes in building/servicing the Yuki I should probably keep my mouth shut.

Ps. What do you think of the co-axial escapement? Omega touts a 5 year service interval on their watches.

PSS. I reeeeeaally wish there was as much focus on cloning the movements as the watches themselves. Id love to see some double barrels, micro-rotors, working power reserves, etc.

 

[timnic54]

Agreed. As mentioned my top grade 2824 is bonkers accurate. Loses about 30 sec a month in constant use in my TC 16610LN. It's amazing! And of course I can rip it apart and put it back together with simple tools and a little know-how. No microstella wrenches and that. As a guy who specializes in building/servicing the Yuki I should probably keep my mouth shut.

Ps. What do you think of the co-axial escapement? Omega touts a 5 year service interval on their watches.

PSS. I reeeeeaally wish there was as much focus on cloning the movements as the watches themselves. Id love to see some double barrels, micro-rotors, working power reserves, etc.

The Daniels coaxial escapment is a great design it solves a problem and unlike Tourbillon it solves a still relevant problem of friction wear in the pallet Friction being distributed radially . It is not surprising that 5 year servicing can be achieved as the need for lubrication is pretty much eliminated.

I think we are on the brink of very interesting times with Reps. We already have the AS 3135 and the Yuki. Noob are currently working on, and I hear almost ready, a 3185 clone with jump hour hand and CHS. Modern manufacturing techniques make it very much easier to produce the kind of high aspect ratio parts needed in movement construction. It is a game changer.

BTW
Speaking as we were of the FSB and recognising that it is consistently preferred by Rolex . It is interesting to note that in 1988 when Rolex found their desperately needed automatic chronograph movement in the form of the El primero from zenith. They chose to replace the whole balance wheel assembly with a FSB overcoil, in favour of retaining the 36600 VPH which actually gave the watch a time measuring capacity to one 10th of a second. In replacing the balance assembly the watches VPH was reduced o 28800 VPH. I thought this a very high price to pay for their FSB obsession.

 

[C Master]

Here is one for you the Omega Liquid Metal Planet Ocean (LMPO) built by Noob. So close it was discussed on gen fora with fear and curiosity. However it looks the same as the original except one batch had orange second hands and bad luming. Even the bracelet was awkward and crap like the original. However it is not an Omega. The big flaw on my one was it failed the pressure test, due to poor case construction. Therefore it cannot be mistaken for an Omega as it would have failed Qc. Aesthetically it more than passes through.

 

[timnic54]

Here is one for you the Omega Liquid Metal Planet Ocean (LMPO) built by Noob. So close it was discussed on gen fora with fear and curiosity. However it looks the same as the original except one batch had orange second hands and bad luming. Even the bracelet was awkward and crap like the original. However it is not an Omega. The big flaw on my one was it failed the pressure test, due to poor case construction. Therefore it cannot be mistaken for an Omega as it would have failed Qc. Aesthetically it more than passes through.

Looks great ! Lets hope the list grows.

 

[Variatio Delectat]

Here is one for you the Omega Liquid Metal Planet Ocean (LMPO) built by Noob. So close it was discussed on gen fora with fear and curiosity. However it looks the same as the original except one batch had orange second hands and bad luming. Even the bracelet was awkward and crap like the original. However it is not an Omega. The big flaw on my one was it failed the pressure test, due to poor case construction. Therefore it cannot be mistaken for an Omega as it would have failed Qc. Aesthetically it more than passes through.

What a shame regarding the pressure test, at least the three-hands-reps should be able to pass it. Did you try to get it waterproofed by a watch smith anyway? Other than that, the watch does look gorgeous.

 

[mech500]

Yes the LMPO is an amazing rep.

Here is mine next to my gen orange PO.

The lume application on mine is crap but i am in the process of getting it relumed.

With relume, aesthetically the LMPO looks and feels BETTER than my USED gen.

 

[mech500]

No it's not. I've had both. Tc makes a very nice rep 16610 but it is not "just about as good."

Agree that NEW gen is much better than TC.


But I think TC KH dial and V3 hands look BETTER than used beat-up UV faded gen dial.

Yes, I said it. TC KH dial and v3 hands are BETTER than most well USED 16+ year old gens. Lol.

Have you seen the over polished bezels scallops on many of the 16year old gens knocking about?! They look like shit! Ain't no one gonna believe it's gen. lol

And don't get me started on those shitty gen folded tin bracelets!

Ceramic reps are shit tho. Gen blows them out the planet.

 

[tucksum]

Agree that NEW gen is much better than TC.


But I think TC KH dial and V3 hands look BETTER than used beat-up UV faded gen dial.

Yes, I said it. TC KH dial and v3 hands are BETTER than most well USED 16+ year old gens. Lol.

Have you seen the over polished bezels scallops on many of the 16year old gens knocking about?! They look like shit! Ain't no one gonna believe it's gen. lol

And don't get me started on those shitty gen folded tin bracelets!

Ceramic reps are shit tho. Gen blows them out the planet.

NEW gen, the 5 digit or 6 digit sub?


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[C Master]

What a shame regarding the pressure test, at least the three-hands-reps should be able to pass it. Did you try to get it waterproofed by a watch smith anyway? Other than that, the watch does look gorgeous.

Yep Watchmaker worked on the case, it is now waterproof but wit no guarantee that it will remain that way. Either ways I am not stuck for a watch I can take into the water lol.

 

[Variatio Delectat]

Understood. And that's why I always take my gen Victorinox "Swiss Knife" watch on vacation. Always rock solid even for swimming.

 

[Mosse]

For me V7 sub is really GEN like.


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