Not worth buying in gen

[furtivedog]

I enjoyed this thread - marking it for later.

 

[PecMan]

I care about quality ... and now a days replicas put a lot of effort on quality! As you said brother .. side by side !!! And hard to notice the difference ... that is perfection to my eyes

 

[Variatio Delectat]

Oh. Yeah. Uh. I just realized who "sub4me" is. Oh crap. This can't be good.

This is going to get funny. I guess. opcorn:

 

[furtivedog]

Which Cartier XL is the good one? I see a lot for sale, quite often. Want to make sure I get the right one.

 

[sub4me]

Nice save bro, lol.

 

[sub4me]

Actually rolex doesn't use regular steel and all parts are hand finished. And common of course there's a difference between 3135 and a standard grade eta let alone an Asian clone. Does a standard grade eta Ruan -1 to +4 in six different positions? If we are talking top grade eta tested in six positions that's a different story. But have you seen a rep with a top grade cosc certified eta 2824?

I mean how about just the difference between setting the time on a rolex or a omega movement versus an eta or especially asian clone. Worlds apart.

I dint even understand how you guys can argue this especially after handling the gen. But I guess it's all subjective. Driving a mercedes might not feel the same to one person as it does the other. Some people can perceive the difference while others do not. That's not a judgement.

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Good points and many more can also be made. I'm just not gonna try to explain it to some guy who thinks reps are of equal quality to top brand gens made in an entirely different way.

 

[m4nutd]

Good points and many more can also be made. I'm just not gonna try to explain it to some guy who thinks reps are of equal quality to top brand gens made in an entirely different way.

Who was it that said reps are of "equal quality"? I've been reading this exchange for a couple of days, and I have yet to see such a thing.

 

[Tucker]

True some people will never understand.

There is no significant difference between a TC 16610 and a Rolex 16610

In fact the TC will have had a lot more care and attention put into it

There is no magic. Stainless steel is stainless steel . Rolex don't have fairy dust.

There is no significant difference between an ETA 2836 and a Rolex 3135 in terms of function and finish
One has a free sprung balance, which is in fact no significant advantage in timekeeping terms.

Read what Walt Odets had to say about Rolex movement quality many years ago, nothing has really changed.

Of course there are great watches which would be very difficult to emulate in terms of quality and function by the reppers.

But Rolex is absolutely not one of them IMHO.

http://www.timezone.com/2002/09/16/the-rolex-explorer-ref-14270-part-2/

Which gen Rolex that you have owned do you like the most? The least?

 

[Tickleshoes]

I think the point was an $8500 gen isn't giving you $8k in benefit over the $500 rep. I think we all agree they'll never be equal.

 

[sub4me]

Who was it that said reps are of "equal quality"? I've been reading this exchange for a couple of days, and I have yet to see such a thing.

He said there was no significant difference. Read it however you want but he's completely wrong.
You wanna buy a rep and wear it as such fine buts don't go on pretending it's just as good as a gen because it's not.

 

[Tickleshoes]

There is no significant difference between an ETA 2836 and a Rolex 3135 in terms of function and finish
One has a free sprung balance, which is in fact no significant advantage in timekeeping terms.

Whoa. I dunno about that. The finish on a gen 3135 is bananas. The metal has an almost rainbow like twinkle to it. My top grade 2824 is gorgeous but not Rolex gorgeous. And the keyless system on the 28xx series leaves much to be desired. Again, I take your point that is a $2k 3135 "worth" 10x the $200 ETA? Maybe not. But the tech/materials/finish is worlds apart. Peace!

 

[timnic54]

Which gen Rolex that you have owned do you like the most? The least?

I actually still own a 116610 LN a Yachtmaster and a Daytona. Actually I like the Daytona best because the 4130 is quite an interesting movement It is actually quite thin for an integrated column wheel chrono, which is why it is such an impossible watch to rep well.
Generally IMHO Rolex make fairly middle of the road stuff which requires no rocket science to make and is fairly basically finished, in fact the movements are pretty poorly finished.

 

[timnic54]

Whoa. I dunno about that. The finish on a gen 3135 is bananas. The metal has an almost rainbow like twinkle to it. My top grade 2824 is gorgeous but not Rolex gorgeous. And the keyless system on the 28xx series leaves much to be desired. Again, I take your point that is a $2k 3135 "worth" 10x the $200 ETA? Maybe not. But the tech/materials/finish is worlds apart. Peace!

I find it interesting that you say that.
Rolex don't use any magic materials for their watch movements and I actually find their finish pretty lacking I have had Keyless faults with GMT IIs it isn't uncommon. I think most other makers in that same mid price range as Rolex are finishing their movements much better. I would also say that any of the the ETA Elabore are probably overall slightly better finished.

BTW ( Couldn't resist ) This is a Rolex 3135 rotor axel after few years use, not so pretty eh!

It will need replacing This is about average for a 3135 They are OK but really not so great.

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The thread is in danger of turning into a Rolex is god or not .

My opening premise was that some reps are so good that IMO it is not worth buying the gen of that particular watch as you would derive from such a purchase no significant, visible or measurable advantage. So far a few people have tried to hit the premise with a hammer, I guess that's how some people function, but I am not hearing substantive and objective arguments from hands on experience to suggest the premise is anything but right.

 

[gocougs]

I'll add one. Breitling Superocean Heritage in black. I have this rep and have held it side to side to the Gen. Just no way would I pay 5k for the Gen. Nope.


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[m4nutd]

He said there was no significant difference. Read it however you want but he's completely wrong.
You wanna buy a rep and wear it as such fine buts don't go on pretending it's just as good as a gen because it's not.

Did I say that I wanted to pretend anything was gen? You assume a lot my friend.

 

[sub4me]

You assume I was referring to you. Which I was not.

 

[sub4me]

This guys thinks there's no significant difference between reps and gens, lmfao.

 

[timnic54]

This guys thinks there's no significant difference between reps and gens, lmfao.

Enjoy my friend it is good to laugh This guy has also been around Forums long enough to know not to enter into an argument with someone who has been around 10 years has very high post count and has almost certainly earned his stripes. Have a great day :drinks_cheers:

 

[timnic54]

This guys thinks there's no significant difference between some reps and gens, lmfao.

Fixed that for you :thumbup:

 

[Retina]

I find it interesting that you say that.
Rolex don't use any magic materials for their watch movements and I actually find their finish pretty lacking I have had Keyless faults with GMT IIs it isn't uncommon. I think most other makers in that same mid price range as Rolex are finishing their movements much better. I would also say that any of the the ETA Elabore are probably overall slightly better finished.

BTW ( Couldn't resist ) This is a Rolex 3135 rotor axel after few years use, not so pretty eh!

It will need replacing This is about average for a 3135 They are OK but really not so great.

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The thread is in danger of turning into a Rolex is god or not .

My opening premise was that some reps are so good that IMO it is not worth buying the gen of that particular watch as you would derive from such a purchase no significant, visible or measurable advantage. So far a few people have tried to hit the premise with a hammer, I guess that's how some people function, but I am not hearing substantive and objective arguments from hands on experience to suggest the premise is anything but right.

Interesting picture tim!