Not worth buying in gen

[velox]

He he
I did some compare with the two, its here: https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/325531-Tudor-Pelagos-Blue-GEN-vs-REP-compare

you just pipped me to the post!

 

[timnic54]

Which Zenith Pilot did you grab? The ZF or V6F version?

My Zenith is ZF

 

[sub4me]

All bullshit, no rep can match the quality of a gen, use your head.

 

[merowinger]

All bullshit, no rep can match the quality of a gen, use your head.

That was not the question.
Relax.
All I'm saying is, for instance, the sub-c Noob V7 is a decent rep for 400 USD, compared to the gen, for 8,5k.

 

[watch this]

That was not the question.
Relax.
All I'm saying is, for instance, the sub-c Noob V7 is a decent rep for 400 USD, compared to the gen, for 8,5k.

yes it is a decent rep I would read that huge v7 thread it has a ton of good info in there v6s is good as well

 

[sub4me]

Did you see me posting to you?? No you didn't. So you Fing relax. I didn't ask you shit.

 

[Variatio Delectat]

use your head.

What about using the brain, alternatively?

 

[ryback299]

Strip down all the BS, it is the truth. Unless you say money is not an object, then of course, buy all the men's you want. But the genuine watches often have problems too and the maintenance costs a lot of money, a regular Rolex tune-up costs $650, and they recommend you do it every 3-4 years. So, yeah, I agree. And since we are all here, I think a lot of people agree with your points.

 

[OmegaRules]

I see the point of OP's thread and I'm sure we all know a gen is a gen hence the purpose of this hobby, the art of replicating it as best one can.

On a side note I was sitting next to a surgeon on a plane recently and he noticed my BK 116610 and said to his wife, hey hon, he has the same watch as me!. We ended up talking about watches and I can tell you his gen " and that is if it was one, looked identical to my eyes as his. Thanks to BK for his artistry and craftsmanship in making a super nice rep.

Would I prefer a gen over a rep? Of course and who wouldn't if money was not the factor but then again isn't that the fun of owning and enjoying reps? I think so.


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[SUBKILLER]

I see the point of OP's thread and I'm sure we all know a gen is a gen hence the purpose of this hobby, the art of replicating it as best one can.

On a side note I was sitting next to a surgeon on a plane recently and he noticed my BK 116610 and said to his wife, hey hon, he has the same watch as me!. We ended up talking about watches and I can tell you his gen " and that is if it was one, looked identical to my eyes as his. Thanks to BK for his artistry and craftsmanship in making a super nice rep.

Would I prefer a gen over a rep? Of course and who wouldn't if money was not the factor but then again isn't that the fun of owning and enjoying reps? I think so.


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DITTO!

 

[timnic54]

All watches Rep or Gen are made by people. People screw up. The myth that your Rep is vastly inferior to the equivalent Gen IMHO is just that, a myth. There are exceptions to this but not many. Frankly people who just say Gens are better, end of, cannot possibly have had very much experience owning them .

Here is a little list I have compiled over more than 25 years of being a serial flipper and collector of gen watches

1 Sumbamriner ( new ) took on water in my shower
2 Submariners returned for faulty bezel
1 BB FF returned for faulty bezel
1 BB ff with Rotor bearing completely screwed after 18 months of gentle use
1 AP Millinary with indices applied by a drunk
I Zenith rainbow El Primero with faulty auto wind after 3 months use
1 Zenith Chronomaster El Primero with Month indicator which will nt centralise after 3 visits to service center
1 Moser Monard returned from service in Switzerland with grease on hairspring and running at almost double speed as a result.
1 GO perpetual calendar with misaligned lug drilling
Several Swiss 7750 movements with sticking chrono functions
Several Swiss 2892 with very short PR from new
1 Girard Perragaux with faulty Chronograph module (Dubois Depraz )
Countless broken stems, slipped hands (Have one now on a Corum) Loose dials Noisey rotors and many many watches not running anywhere near COSC but with COSC certs .
Countless dial misprints , loose bezels, loose screws, loose springbars Misaligned dials and hands, far too many to list individually.
In fact , strangely, all the kinds of problems we find in Reps.

By all means believe that one day you will own a Gen and it will be amazing and so much better than your rep. There is every possibility that will happen. But in many cases it will be a frustrating disappointment. Truth be told many manufacturers are over controlled by bean counters and take insufficient care of the quality of their products. The current wave of small assemblers in the Rep industry, largely thanks to the likes of this Forum and others are in a position whereby they have to improve QC and seem over time to be doing so.

The other problem is that most High end Gens are seriously over engineered toys. They are great to own and marvel at, I love them . However they are creating , for example, movements with twin barrels PR we don need , and all kinds of over engineered ways of solving problems a watch movement does not have, often just to be able to say it is different. The workmanship and resources are better, but the complications raise the game and the problems still come.

One notable exception to this trend in Gen watches is the work of Luwig Oeschlin , they guy responsible for most of the design work at Ulysse Nardin and together with Kurt Klauss the famous Perpetual calendar module added to a 7750 in the IWC Da Vinci and other subsequent models. His new company Ochs and Junior create some fine watches with very cleverly conceived annual calendar functions which do not subscribe to the current over engineering philosophy, and provide great function without superfluous complication or price.

 

[d4m.test]

Sitting down relaxed with the reading glasses on, just having poised the glass with the 25 year old single Malt You take out the gen, slowly wind it and than ceremonially set the date and time. A Pucchini opera is playing in the background, You get soothed by the sense of precision and accuracy, by the reassuring sounds and the perfect machining of everything. Life is good, the gen is perfect and in any moment like this incredibly superior to the rep, 90% superior or more.

Fast forward it´s Monday morning, the reading glasses are off, You´re 5 minutes late - quick-check if the times right - Yes, it is, just slap the watch on your wrist, hurry with the coffee, lock the door, start the car - quick-check time and off into the traffic jam, busy and stress all day, skip the lunch - first quiet moment on the way home, maybe time for a wristie, nice watch, it was a good day after all......
3 hours later You sit at the laptop to post the wristie on rwi and suddenly You realize: Hey, after all it was the rep I was wearing all day, it never occured to me
While just using them on the wrist in daily use, for general activities and for telling time - a good rep with a smooth rotor, imho it may well do the same job as the gen, even a 90% close job with the added freedom of movement a $400 watch gives on occasion (compared to the $6000 one).

I´ll add:
- Breitling SO Abyss 42 and 44 (top level as the others already listed)
Slightly below, but close:
- Tudor Blackbay Red
- Omega Seamaster 300 Coax
- Tag Heuer Aquaracer 300, the one with the Ronda quartz

 

[joe_chill]

Sitting down relaxed with the reading glasses on, just having poised the glass with the 25 year old single Malt You take out the gen, slowly wind it and than ceremonially set the date and time. A Pucchini opera is playing in the background, You get soothed by the sense of precision and accuracy, by the reassuring sounds and the perfect machining of everything. Life is good, the gen is perfect and in any moment like this incredibly superior to the rep, 90% superior or more.

Fast forward it´s Monday morning, the reading glasses are off, You´re 5 minutes late - quick-check if the times right - Yes, it is, just slap the watch on your wrist, hurry with the coffee, lock the door, start the car - quick-check time and off into the traffic jam, busy and stress all day, skip the lunch - first quiet moment on the way home, maybe time for a wristie, nice watch, it was a good day after all......
3 hours later You sit at the laptop to post the wristie on rwi and suddenly You realize: Hey, after all it was the rep I was wearing all day, it never occured to me
While just using them on the wrist in daily use, for general activities and for telling time - a good rep with a smooth rotor, imho it may well do the same job as the gen, even a 90% close job with the added freedom of movement a $400 watch gives on occasion (compared to the $6000 one).

I´ll add:
- Breitling SO Abyss 42 and 44 (top level as the others already listed)
Slightly below, but close:
- Tudor Blackbay Red
- Omega Seamaster 300 Coax
- Tag Heuer Aquaracer 300, the one with the Ronda quartz

Good read, u work in advertising, right? If not, you should! That played up like a commercial from the rep factories in my head.

"V7 Sub from Noob, soon at your favourite trusted dealer". :thumbup:

Rep added to you and op unk:

 

[ryback299]

All watches Rep or Gen are made by people. People screw up. The myth that your Rep is vastly inferior to the equivalent Gen IMHO is just that, a myth. There are exceptions to this but not many. Frankly people who just say Gens are better, end of, cannot possibly have had very much experience owning them .

Here is a little list I have compiled over more than 25 years of being a serial flipper and collector of gen watches

1 Sumbamriner ( new ) took on water in my shower
2 Submariners returned for faulty bezel
1 BB FF returned for faulty bezel
1 BB ff with Rotor bearing completely screwed after 18 months of gentle use
1 AP Millinary with indices applied by a drunk
I Zenith rainbow El Primero with faulty auto wind after 3 months use
1 Zenith Chronomaster El Primero with Month indicator which will nt centralise after 3 visits to service center
1 Moser Monard returned from service in Switzerland with grease on hairspring and running at almost double speed as a result.
1 GO perpetual calendar with misaligned lug drilling
Several Swiss 7750 movements with sticking chrono functions
Several Swiss 2892 with very short PR from new
1 Girard Perragaux with faulty Chronograph module (Dubois Depraz )
Countless broken stems, slipped hands (Have one now on a Corum) Loose dials Noisey rotors and many many watches not running anywhere near COSC but with COSC certs .
Countless dial misprints , loose bezels, loose screws, loose springbars Misaligned dials and hands, far too many to list individually.
In fact , strangely, all the kinds of problems we find in Reps.

By all means believe that one day you will own a Gen and it will be amazing and so much better than your rep. There is every possibility that will happen. But in many cases it will be a frustrating disappointment. Truth be told many manufacturers are over controlled by bean counters and take insufficient care of the quality of their products. The current wave of small assemblers in the Rep industry, largely thanks to the likes of this Forum and others are in a position whereby they have to improve QC and seem over time to be doing so.

The other problem is that most High end Gens are seriously over engineered toys. They are great to own and marvel at, I love them . However they are creating , for example, movements with twin barrels PR we don need , and all kinds of over engineered ways of solving problems a watch movement does not have, often just to be able to say it is different. The workmanship and resources are better, but the complications raise the game and the problems still come.

One notable exception to this trend in Gen watches is the work of Luwig Oeschlin , they guy responsible for most of the design work at Ulysse Nardin and the famous Perpetual calendar module added to a 7750 in the IWC Da Vinci and other subsequent models. His new company Ochs and Junior create some fine watches with very cleverly conceived annual calendar functions which do not subscribe to the current over engineering philosophy, and provide great function without superfluous complication or price.

Well said! :thumbup:

 

[SuperLory]

*Puccini

Cheers

 

[Variatio Delectat]

All watches Rep or Gen are made by people. People screw up. The myth that your Rep is vastly inferior to the equivalent Gen IMHO is just that, a myth. There are exceptions to this but not many. Frankly people who just say Gens are better, end of, cannot possibly have had very much experience owning them .

Here is a little list I have compiled over more than 25 years of being a serial flipper and collector of gen watches

1 Sumbamriner ( new ) took on water in my shower
2 Submariners returned for faulty bezel
1 BB FF returned for faulty bezel
1 BB ff with Rotor bearing completely screwed after 18 months of gentle use
1 AP Millinary with indices applied by a drunk
I Zenith rainbow El Primero with faulty auto wind after 3 months use
1 Zenith Chronomaster El Primero with Month indicator which will nt centralise after 3 visits to service center
1 Moser Monard returned from service in Switzerland with grease on hairspring and running at almost double speed as a result.
1 GO perpetual calendar with misaligned lug drilling
Several Swiss 7750 movements with sticking chrono functions
Several Swiss 2892 with very short PR from new
1 Girard Perragaux with faulty Chronograph module (Dubois Depraz )
Countless broken stems, slipped hands (Have one now on a Corum) Loose dials Noisey rotors and many many watches not running anywhere near COSC but with COSC certs .
Countless dial misprints , loose bezels, loose screws, loose springbars Misaligned dials and hands, far too many to list individually.
In fact , strangely, all the kinds of problems we find in Reps.

By all means believe that one day you will own a Gen and it will be amazing and so much better than your rep. There is every possibility that will happen. But in many cases it will be a frustrating disappointment. Truth be told many manufacturers are over controlled by bean counters and take insufficient care of the quality of their products. The current wave of small assemblers in the Rep industry, largely thanks to the likes of this Forum and others are in a position whereby they have to improve QC and seem over time to be doing so.

The other problem is that most High end Gens are seriously over engineered toys. They are great to own and marvel at, I love them . However they are creating , for example, movements with twin barrels PR we don need , and all kinds of over engineered ways of solving problems a watch movement does not have, often just to be able to say it is different. The workmanship and resources are better, but the complications raise the game and the problems still come.

One notable exception to this trend in Gen watches is the work of Luwig Oeschlin , they guy responsible for most of the design work at Ulysse Nardin and the famous Perpetual calendar module added to a 7750 in the IWC Da Vinci and other subsequent models. His new company Ochs and Junior create some fine watches with very cleverly conceived annual calendar functions which do not subscribe to the current over engineering philosophy, and provide great function without superfluous complication or price.

Thank you for that one, could not agree more.

 

[Jockas]

Did you see me posting to you?? No you didn't. So you Fing relax. I didn't ask you shit.

Wow, so that is what gives you a Member of the year award...

 

[cpd2186]

Wow, so that is what gives you a Member of the year award...

Well said.

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[mech500]

I'd go as far as saying that you'd be stupid buying a gen Tudor ranger heritage.

Tudor is a poor mans Rolex anyway.

No need to buy gen.

Here's rep:

Ps. I disagree with noob v7 sub being claimed as good as gen. I don't think the rep is quite there IMO

 

[Auto_xer]

What do you think about the clasp on the Cartier 100XL? The rep feels a bit rougher and less refined. This was the watch I tried on the gen. Really liked it and bought the rep to see if I like it enough to buy the gen. I ended up liking the rep enough with Cartier gen strap that I no longer daydream about buying the gen.

I also echo what others say about the freedom of mind with the rep. I am not neurotic about getting scratches on my rep watches like I do on my gen.


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