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Not worth buying in gen
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I have also had a gen AP with dreadful dial issues.
Watches are a PITA there is so much detail which can be wrong. It happens just the same with gens as with Reps
Well different people have different ways of spending their money to what is more worthwhile for them
Seems like there's a few conplaints about APs and tons about Hublots. Damn and I thought hublots looked kinda cool (especially the ice bang).
When a watch is hand built, most likely they're not perfect, or at least not 100% matched between one unit and another. That much should be obvious.
^ Yep agree. I have had gen Rolex's with dial issues and QC issues which was sent back to RSC to fix. APs I heard from my dealer are suffering badly from movement issues of late and he said out of 10 he has sent 6 back for repair.
Even Patek have issues with DW sticking and not flipping over etc.....so there you go. 3 of the most highly regarded brands with QC/warranty issues.
Gens are the same as reps you get QC issues as well but they will fix them for you under warranty. The worst part is waiting 12-16 weeks for them to do it and they cost a hell out a lot more. Still gens are worth it in my eyes and if you can afford it why not.
Even Patek have issues with DW sticking and not flipping over etc.....so there you go. 3 of the most highly regarded brands with QC/warranty issues.
Gens are the same as reps you get QC issues as well but they will fix them for you under warranty. The worst part is waiting 12-16 weeks for them to do it and they cost a hell out a lot more. Still gens are worth it in my eyes and if you can afford it why not.
Nothing is truly hand built these days, and I don't think it would be better even. Machines do a better job.
I do think however the the higher level reps we get from Noob JF and the like give us excellent quality for the price.
At the same time it is fairly evident that certain gen manufacturers are prepared to let a lot of faults reach the buyer, which at the price really shouldn't get passed QC
I agree. Lets just say I was pissed when one of my Rolex's had a QC issue. It wasn't a $10k Rolex either it was a precious metal piece so > $40k. It should have never passed QC in the first place.
I would be even more pissed with some stories I've heard with Patek/Lange and AP. These watches are like $100k - $150k range with QC problems. To be fair they do get addressed but after spending that much money on a watch then to have it sent for repair within months leaves a bitter taste in ones mouth.
I disagree with the OP. The reps can never be of the same caliber as gens at all. That's because most reps have Chinese made movements. The level of qc, cleanliness and caliber of machinery isn't on the same level as the gens. Gens are made to last a lifetime. The fit and finish is on another level . You can't compare a $300 bracelet with a $5000 one. Just my 2 cents.
The whole point of this thread is that you can compare, and some of the watches in this thread actually compare quite favorably. If you are interested in buying a gen of one of the watches in this thread, save your money and buy a gen that hasn't been so well replicated. Or not! It is your decision.
Well that's the theory. I have at present over $250,000 in Gen watches, over the last 20 years I have bought and owned over $1000000 worth of gen watches. I have been an active member and am still today a moderator on one of the oldest established online gen forum.
My personal experiences and the experiences of those I have shared this interest with, holds me to the opinion that this theory does not hold up in practice. Furthermore I find it is often propagated by those with little hands on experience with gen watches.
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Here is just one example
I have 3 BPFFs
1 Gen 2 years old, after two months went back to BP because of bezel de-lamination The Crystal bezel was coming away from its base
This was repaired but the watch was away several weeks
2 Gen. This one has run well for 2 years . Now the rotor shaft bearing has collapsed , it is out of guarantee and must go back to BP for repair.
3 Noob Running perfectly after 9 months. No issues at all.
My guess is the Noob will out live both the gens.
Yes, to the naked eye ill give you that. Don't get me wrong, I own a v5 noob 116610ln but if you've handled a gen you can feel a noticeable difference between quality. Bezel action and everything. But I would say it looks 95% close. The Hulk has a long way to go.
You can add Omega to that list. I checked one of the 45mm PO offered at local AD, and it had misaligned pearl. Wtf that shouldn't happen with gen costing 20 times the rep.
No rep will ever be gen, even kids know that, but when you like something, not love it, would it still worth spending the money on the gen?
I like the look of hublot's ice bang, but as mentioned they're terrible to wear, so if I have one it'll spend 90% of it's life in my glass showcase along with my die cast models collection. Would it still worth buying the gen?
If possible I'd wear my gen Tag everyday everywhere, but I live in a place where you have a high chance of getting mugged (or killed in the process). A rep would be a real peace of mind, knowing I can let it go without losing too much money, my arm, or worse, my life.
99% of us can afford to spend money, not waste it.
Good to see the thread back on topic.
Clearly the whole premise turns on the function of "Worth"
To be worth buying in Gen a watch must offer something the Rep cant reasonably provide.
Whether or not a gen is providing something which makes it worth buying over the rep will be to a large extent subjective and is not so easy to quantify objectively.
For example a PP perpetual calendar offers function clearly unavailable in a rep and a level of finish not provided by a rep.
A Gen sub offers a level of water resistance not matched by the rep, so if you plan to go diving, then the gen is potentially worth buying over the rep. If you don't plan to dive, then the rep is arguably offering everything the gen offers .
The desire to buy the gen will vary from person to person and from watch to watch.
However I do like to play the iconoclast and perish the myth that buying a gen of any watch will necessarily be a wonderful and trouble free eternal experience. It probably won't be.
Many people who have not owned a number of Gens, risk being taken in by what is basically mythology.
Clearly the whole premise turns on the function of "Worth"
To be worth buying in Gen a watch must offer something the Rep cant reasonably provide.
Whether or not a gen is providing something which makes it worth buying over the rep will be to a large extent subjective and is not so easy to quantify objectively.
For example a PP perpetual calendar offers function clearly unavailable in a rep and a level of finish not provided by a rep.
A Gen sub offers a level of water resistance not matched by the rep, so if you plan to go diving, then the gen is potentially worth buying over the rep. If you don't plan to dive, then the rep is arguably offering everything the gen offers .
The desire to buy the gen will vary from person to person and from watch to watch.
However I do like to play the iconoclast and perish the myth that buying a gen of any watch will necessarily be a wonderful and trouble free eternal experience. It probably won't be.
Many people who have not owned a number of Gens, risk being taken in by what is basically mythology.
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When i'am looking at the AP Royal Oak Replicas i only see better points than the gen? Because:
- I heard often about AP movement errors.
- Only 21.600 beats per Hour not 28.800 beats per hour (like the rep) (and yes i like the smoothness of 28.800 beats).
- Rep has a stable Miyota 9015 Movement.
So when you have problems with the 9015 Movement you can simple buy a new one + watchsmith maybe 200 € or fix it yourself? When you have a Gen and a movement error after the warranty, well you can pay 1000-1500 €.
I know the finish is better but when i ask people about APs the first thing they say "Oh no the broken movement brand" its no joke. And i know when you have money, 1500 € is a joke but the wait time is just ridiculous. So i only see positive aspects in the Rep.
- I heard often about AP movement errors.
- Only 21.600 beats per Hour not 28.800 beats per hour (like the rep) (and yes i like the smoothness of 28.800 beats).
- Rep has a stable Miyota 9015 Movement.
So when you have problems with the 9015 Movement you can simple buy a new one + watchsmith maybe 200 € or fix it yourself? When you have a Gen and a movement error after the warranty, well you can pay 1000-1500 €.
I know the finish is better but when i ask people about APs the first thing they say "Oh no the broken movement brand" its no joke. And i know when you have money, 1500 € is a joke but the wait time is just ridiculous. So i only see positive aspects in the Rep.
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Actually i wanted to buy a Gen one and a Friend of mine who works in an Watchcenter told me that i should stay away from AP. And i would bought that watch at his place so he would make profit of it. So maybe he is right 
Actually i wanted to buy a Gen one and a Friend of mine who works in an Watchcenter told me that i should stay away from AP. And i would bought that watch at his place so he would make profit of it. So maybe he is right
That seems to be a really valid point.
Agreed, 100%. And it's not only AP where you have to wait ages until your watch gets back from the service. Besides, I can't really stand the arrogance of their sales people commenting somewhat like "oh well, that's just the way it is, you have to live with it".