dear friends, I want to share my experience with you… yesterday I was lucky enough to be able to see up close and even try a panda from AD… I have a v4 noob with cf ring…. the difference from the gen is incredible…. what a disappointment !! depriving it I immediately noticed the huge difference from the shape of the case !! and the ring the difference is abysmal, the gen ring and a much deeper layered color I don't know how to explain ... really incredible what a disappointment !! can anyone confirm or i was drunk ??