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Noob ceramic insert with platinum plating
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I never have buyers remorse. I bought 2 LF watches at $458 each to have them taken apart to find if they we Gen spec cases or not. So when the first one was taken apart by Adrian and he said it was crap I said keep the watch and do whatever you want with it. Then I moved on to my next project. I never have buyers remorse, I just expect what I paid for.
This is my SECOND insert from Steve. First one I bought was supposed to be a v7 insert, after 2 weeks a DSSD insert showed up, I posted pictures and explained that the "coating" looked just like my Gen. I sent it back and he refunded me. This one showed up like this and AGAIN I said the coating looks exactly like Gen. But I no longer believe this coating is PVD, I now think it is something else, but it is being put out there like this is the sMe coating that is on a Gen. If it is the same coating that is on the Gen one them if something takes this coating off, it will tKe the Gen coating off. I don't like being mislead, if this is what it is supposed to be it will hold up, if it is not my suspicions are correct.
Now someone may ask why I have these suspicions now but not when I received the first insert, simply because I can see this coating on the back in a big section and it is easier to see that way. Inside the recessed numbers it is a lot harder to see.
Yes that must be it. But the people I do tell do know me enough to know I have no problem testing my Gen insert. But you must be right.
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I dont think sponge bob mod is dlc coated like gen.i dont think he ever said it was ? the gen is sprayed in platinum feom a machine then the insert is polished to remove the platinum exess and whats left is the platinum in the insert numbers.i think his is just standard platinum plated.im assuming with a foil type method.my local jewellers said they can do the same as sponge.but they cant bevel the insert numbers like he does i dont think.but i didnt ask them about that tbh
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Bp dial is sick i thought it was a gen dial at first glance amazingJust received one and already on the watch
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Sorry to interrupt, just wanna know how exactly are you gonna test it before you destroying both inserts. As if the two plating could be removed by the same method could only come to conclude that they could be removed by the same physical method or they could be both be dissolved in the same solvent. Just like salt and sugar, they both cam dissolve in water doesn't make them the same thing. Nevertheless, even if you proved tht they are the same thing, it is hard for you to determine what way Steve used to place the coating onto the insert.
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Dlc is platinum sprayed from a maschine coving the entire face of the insert.then rolex use a special polishing machine to remove the platinum from the ceramic so all thats left is the platinum deposit in the number cutouts.there is a vid of how rolex manafutcure the inserts and blast the platinum .platinum plate is not the same as dlc that rolex uses .but as far as i was aware you never claimed your plate mod was dlc like gen.yours is eletroplated with foil isnt it
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Yes, this is the vid, the process!
@smoke ion magnetron sputtering.
I will explain later, since it is a very interesting topic......
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Yeah i knew you were sputtering the inserts
Quite afew jewellery places in london i phoned said they do this
How come you forgot to polish the back and sides to remove the platinum deposits? Was that just a mistake or is it because the back and side cant be seen when installed so you don't feel the need to polish of the rest of the plat deposit.i thought you polished it all and only left the deposits in the numbers.i like the mod it looks gen in pics .but ive not seen in real life obviously
As my knowledge, DLC is a kind of material which is produced by CVD process.
But your explanation makes me confused.....lol
So Rolex claim their process as Dlc? is this a abbreviation? Could you provide me any information or link, than i can understand your meaning.
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Okay, let's clear things up a bit, because I have the feeling terms get mixed up at this point:
Cvd is a chemical process, which is not involved here at all, so let's forget about it.
PVD stands for physical vapor deposition and you need the following stuff:
You have a substrate (i.e. platinum), an object you want to coat (i.e. bezel), a vacuum chamber, a magnetron and a device to ignite the plasma.
How does it work?
In order to release platinum particles (molecule or atom sized) we subject it to a plasma in a noble gas low pressure chamber and an electromagnetic beam.
We now have platinum particles "floating around" ready to bond to virtually anything on the atomic level.
To make this process more efficient we electrically charge our bezel or put something charged behind it so the platinum particles fly in its' direction.
Once the particles hit our bezel they bond to it very, very strong.
This process is also called sputtering, but there are many different ways to do it in detail.
DLC is a different thing. DLC means that you coat something with a carbon layer (i.e. via pvd as described) which forms a thin, black layer of high hardness and superb wear resistance.
Cvd is a chemical process, which is not involved here at all, so let's forget about it.
PVD stands for physical vapor deposition and you need the following stuff:
You have a substrate (i.e. platinum), an object you want to coat (i.e. bezel), a vacuum chamber, a magnetron and a device to ignite the plasma.
How does it work?
In order to release platinum particles (molecule or atom sized) we subject it to a plasma in a noble gas low pressure chamber and an electromagnetic beam.
We now have platinum particles "floating around" ready to bond to virtually anything on the atomic level.
To make this process more efficient we electrically charge our bezel or put something charged behind it so the platinum particles fly in its' direction.
Once the particles hit our bezel they bond to it very, very strong.
This process is also called sputtering, but there are many different ways to do it in detail.
DLC is a different thing. DLC means that you coat something with a carbon layer (i.e. via pvd as described) which forms a thin, black layer of high hardness and superb wear resistance.
Yes, but DLC comes in more then black. It comes in grey and silver also. In motorsports applications it is primarily seen in black. But I have had other stuff done that were different colors other than black. It depends on the chemical compound that the DLC is made up of. But it is done in a PVD chamber. A lot if people interchange the terms PVD and DLC, although that is not correct. DLC is Diamond like carbon.