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New VSF 441 12hour GMT

PsychoTee16

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Wait just because the V2 doesn't have a smoked caseback it's not a super rep!? Bull!! This thing is fantastic in every way. It's currently my favorite watch!

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reppin

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Wait just because the V2 doesn't have a smoked caseback it's not a super rep!? Bull!! This thing is fantastic in every way. It's currently my favorite watch!

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guys are getting a bit crazy now with their standards, this is definitely a super rep!
 

groot

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Which most people would not understand. Obviously he's performing QC on a PAM441, but other than that we have no clue what he's saying. Anybody care to translate?

He was addressing a particular person in the video and the complaint/issue was the power reserve. His advice was to handwind the watch if the PR is insufficient, the reason he gave was the movement was not an efficient one. He also made reference to the 111 and 127 in handwinding.

I personally have no issue with the PR of 441 V2. Probably due to variances in individual samples.
 

Saylle

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Wait just because the V2 doesn't have a smoked caseback it's not a super rep!? Bull!! This thing is fantastic in every way. It's currently my favorite watch!

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well if you have one very obvious tell, that watch is by definition not qualified to be a super rep anymore. you can call it NWBIG however.


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CybNoX

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he also mentioned that it's a

1. Tianjin movement, which i thought Tianjin movement is always made with reference to Seagull ST2555 movement

can't tell it's VSF / ST2555 movement

2. was quite an old watch? going with the serial number: 288, it should be an early make?
 

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well if you have one very obvious tell, that watch is by definition not qualified to be a super rep anymore. you can call it NWBIG however.


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It depends on your definition of NWBIG. Any watch, even first class, can be NWBIG for someone if the fit and finish of the rep is so good that it discourages you from buying the gen (essentially the definition of NWBIG). The current NWBIG list only includes super reps. You can call it NWBIG, but will it be called by others as NWBIG? ;)

what about across factories? seems kw has a smoked caseback


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KW and V6F and VSF/XF are essentially the same factory. So there is a very big possibility that the caseback would be compatible. ZF and SF, although they produced the PAM441, they did so in DLCed steel form, not Ceramic.

he also mentioned that it's a

1. Tianjin movement, which i thought Tianjin movement is always made with reference to Seagull ST2555 movement

can't tell it's VSF / ST2555 movement

2. was quite an old watch? going with the serial number: 288, it should be an early make?

You can't base age on a serial number as the PAM441 was only made one year. The movement used would be a better reference. However, the VSF PAM441 did not use a ST2555 Seagull movement when it was released in December of 2016. It was already using the P.9001 clone movement with the balance wheel @7.
 

CybNoX

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You can't base age on a serial number as the PAM441 was only made one year. The movement used would be a better reference. However, the VSF PAM441 did not use a ST2555 Seagull movement when it was released in December of 2016. It was already using the P.9001 clone movement with the balance wheel @7.

I was only typing out what his comments was in the video. don't kill the messenger! :battingeyelashes:
 

timnic54

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It depends on your definition of NWBIG. Any watch, even first class, can be NWBIG for someone if the fit and finish of the rep is so good that it discourages you from buying the gen (essentially the definition of NWBIG). The current NWBIG list only includes super reps. You can call it NWBIG, but will it be called by others as NWBIG? ;)



KW and V6F and VSF/XF are essentially the same factory. So there is a very big possibility that the caseback would be compatible. ZF and SF, although they produced the PAM441, they did so in DLCed steel form, not Ceramic.



You can't base age on a serial number as the PAM441 was only made one year. The movement used would be a better reference. However, the VSF PAM441 did not use a ST2555 Seagull movement when it was released in December of 2016. It was already using the P.9001 clone movement with the balance wheel @7.

As the person who created the acronym and first coined it . I agree completely with your understanding of the concept of NWBIG
 

Saylle

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It depends on your definition of NWBIG. Any watch, even first class, can be NWBIG for someone if the fit and finish of the rep is so good that it discourages you from buying the gen (essentially the definition of NWBIG). The current NWBIG list only includes super reps. You can call it NWBIG, but will it be called by others as NWBIG? ;)



KW and V6F and VSF/XF are essentially the same factory. So there is a very big possibility that the caseback would be compatible. ZF and SF, although they produced the PAM441, they did so in DLCed steel form, not Ceramic.

thanks mate! agree with you on the subjectivity of the word NWBIG. SuperRep, however, should be consensual (as the famous list suggestes).

Do you think TDs would replace the caseback of the v2 with a KW/V6F version caseback which is a little more smoky if one would ask? i guess i will have to try :D
 

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I still think this is a super rep regardless of this "smoked" caseback.

But hey who am I!!?? I love the watch regardless!
 

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Both play fine for me. Can you play any other youku videos except these two? Maybe you are blocked from playing videos in your location.
 

GWT#1

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Where the bluegrass sways!
Why not just get can of spray on tint that's used for smoking the lights on your rides and tint the case back crystal? Very simple and easy to do there is the rear glass/crystal smoke solved!!