New Released Clean 3285 Movement(from Dandong) Compared With GEN and Shanghai 3285 Movement

[Obscuranocte]

Excellent work
Thanks for sharing

 

[ombre]

A lot went into this. Thank you for sharing.

 

[CTime]

I notice that the hands become misaligned in the video when adjusting the time, but seem to fix themselves. Interesting

My VR3186 also did this when rotating the crown counter clockwise in position 3

I'm not sure what you are talking about.

 

[championdefoot]

Just by looking at it, it seems safe to assume that gen parts will fit, right ?

Excellent post, will definitely consider ordering one now.

 

[Pinion Minion]

Amazing work- just crazy what these factories are doing- in no small part to the experts on RWI keeping a keen eye on both improvements and shortcomings of these movements.

Is it just the angle- or does the center wheel friction fit (#320) look different on the gen than both the other models?

 

[pistebasher]

Just by looking at it, it seems safe to assume that gen parts will fit, right ?

Excellent post, will definitely consider ordering one now.

You can't assume that. Many gen parts do not fit into other VSF movements unless your have other gen parts as well, so it's a bit of a rabbit hole. Expect this will be the same!

 

[CTime]

So here we are talking about the same 3285 clone than the one inside the newly released C+F series, right ?

Asking because in another post, C+F is noted to house the Shanghai 3285, and I thought that the Dandong 3285 was only going to come with the upcoming VSF GMT release ?

Great post and thanks for this level of detail. It’s a shame that the Clean 3285 has missed the engine turned effect on some of the parts such as the Barrel and Train Wheel Bridges but the ability to interchange with gen parts is a definite plus.

It's a good advice! I will note this and let's say in the next video

 

[CTime]

If I well understood Clean will assemble dandong movement and C+ assemble Shanghai movement, correct?

Yes

 

[trailboss99]

It’s a shame that the Clean 3285 has missed the engine turned effect on some of the parts such as the Barrel and Train Wheel Bridges but the ability to interchange with gen parts is a definite plus.

TBH being a closed caseback it doesn't really worry me.

 

[trailboss99]

This is indeed the GMT movement we have been waiting for! Very impressive review and teardown, I'm sure everyone is grateful for the time you have put into this.

 

[CTime]

Hard to say whether C+ is really a CLEAN partner and what they will eventually end up offering. After seeing these pics I wouldn't buy an SH3285, why would anyone?

An easy ID for the DD3285 is the absence of the fake free sprung balance arm. This is such a welcome feature as that decoration is not only totally useless and doesn't fool anyone but it also forces the regulation arms to the far side of the balance. Just like the VS3235, Dandong did the common sense smart thing here.

@CTime can you elaborate on what movement C+ will have - are they a partner to CLEAN and eligible for the DD3285?

C+ stole Clean’s design from the factories that offered Clean their parts, such as case, strap, dial, etc., so Clean replaced all the suppliers.

The name of C+ is also just a free riding on Clean. Clean never had any relationship nor cooperation with C+, and they are not going to get Dandong3285.

There is nothing wrong with what C+ did commercially, but they should be morally reprehensible.

Relatively speaking, VSF is the biggest competitor of Clean, but they deserve more respect.

And to clarify, C+ 3285 is from Shanghai Biaoye factory(they made SH7750), it’s different from the SH3235 Clean uses which is made by Shanghai Jinghe factory.


This is what Clean told me.

 

[Fervid]

I'm not sure what you are talking about.

46 seconds into the video you pop the crown into position 3, the hour hand moves itself and becomes misaligned.

But at roughly 59 seconds in the video when you're advancing the hands forwards the hour hand seems to jump back a little bit and realign itself.

This picture as an example, the minute hand is at 32 minutes but the hour hand is directly on 4 o'clock (it should be roughly between two hour markers)

 

[CTime]

Amazing work- just crazy what these factories are doing- in no small part to the experts on RWI keeping a keen eye on both improvements and shortcomings of these movements.

Is it just the angle- or does the center wheel friction fit (#320) look different on the gen than both the other models?

Yes, it's a little different, but clean and gen can fit each other on this part

 

[critical_]

46 seconds into the video you pop the crown into position 3, the hour hand moves itself and becomes misaligned.

But at roughly 59 seconds in the video when you're advancing the hands forwards the hour hand seems to jump back a little bit and realign itself.

This picture as an example, the minute hand is at 32 minutes but the hour hand is directly on 4 o'clock (it should be roughly between two hour markers)

Yup, I caught that. If you watch it in slow motion (0.25) on YouTube, you can see that hand becomes misaligned almost like the GMT function was in between jumps (clicks). It rights itself the same way.

 

[OI812]

Wow.... other than a total lack of decoration (why not??) and rougher milling they're pretty darn close. I'm looking forward to hearing real world comments in regards to its quality of operation.

 

[mclarendude]

This is awesome.

 

[KJ2020]

C+ stole Clean’s design from the factories that offered Clean their parts, such as case, strap, dial, etc., so Clean replaced all the suppliers.

The name of C+ is also just a free riding on Clean. Clean never had any relationship nor cooperation with C+, and they are not going to get Dandong 3285.

There is nothing wrong with what C+ did commercially, but they should be morally reprehensible.

Relatively speaking, VSF is the biggest competitor of Clean, but they deserve more respect.

And to clarify, C+ 3285 is from Shanghai Biaoye factory (they made SH7750), it’s different from the SH3235 Clean uses which is made by Shanghai Jinghe factory.

This is what Clean told me.

Thanks for the clarification - this is very useful information that often gets distorted by the time we get it. Nice to hear it straight from the source.

@BoostedST

 

[promax01]

C+ stole Clean’s design from the factories that offered Clean their parts, such as case, strap, dial, etc., so Clean replaced all the suppliers.

The name of C+ is also just a free riding on Clean. Clean never had any relationship nor cooperation with C+, and they are not going to get Dandong3285.

There is nothing wrong with what C+ did commercially, but they should be morally reprehensible.

Relatively speaking, VSF is the biggest competitor of Clean, but they deserve more respect.

And to clarify, C+ 3285 is from Shanghai Biaoye factory(they made SH7750), it’s different from the SH3235 Clean uses which is made by Shanghai Jinghe factory.


This is what Clean told me.

Thanks for information

 

[KJ2020]

I know it's a long shot, but any chance of seeing this part's other side? @CTime

This part on the VS3235 was poorly made and known to cause winding issues - the top washer pushes the gear shaft back down into a stem detent to disengage the gear. I ended up making a replacement for it that was thicker. I hope Dandong would make this part sturdier on the DD3285.

VS part on right - it wore out quickly

Replacement installed

Gen part

Also note that in your pic below, the gen and CLEAN (DD) parts are dial washers while the SH part is the intermediate winding washer, the very part I was asking about and had to re-make.

You can see in the pic below that this washer is missing from the SH gear, showing how vulnerable it is. It shouldn't be able to just fall off as the center hole should be a smaller diameter than the shaft head flange.

Look carefully at the underside of the SH part you can see that the washer is missing.

 

[kennygconspiracy]

I know it's a long shot, but any chance of seeing this part's other side?

This part on the VS3235 was poorly made and known to cause winding issues - the top washer pushes the gear shaft back down into a stem detent to disengage the gear. I ended up making a replacement for it that was thicker. I hope Dandong would make this part sturdier on the DD3285.

VS part on right - it wore out quickly

Replacement installed

Gen part

Also note that in your pic below, the gen and CLEAN (DD) parts are dial washers while the SH part is the intermediate winding washer, the very part I was asking about and had to re-make.

You can see in the pic below that this washer is missing from the SH gear, showing how vulnerable it is. It shouldn't be able to just fall off as the center hole should be a smaller diameter than the shaft head flange.

Look carefully at the underside of the SH part you can see that the washer is missing.

As usual, big bro KJ with some amazing insight