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New PPF 5712 with PP240 Super Clone.....
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. Touché sir!
It should as they are both of the slim kind. (in contrast to the thicker kind on e.g. the 5726)
It actually might, but the chances of finding one are another story altogether
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There is a misunderstanding. Both photos are photoshopped . I took a gen grey face and pasted it onto a 5712/1a. But in regards to parts , all are gen
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My plan was to build the following :
5712 CNC custom case and bracelet
Gen hands
Gen grey dial
Gen 5054 movement
But now I am considering maybe a gen 5127g and a CNC white gold bracelet like the 5740g has . Interesting ideea
I think the main benefit of having the gen and then getting an aftermarket WG bracelet is that it could be a lot less BS to deal with, plus much less risk shipping things all over the place, and less risk of having someone damage the gen components. A gen watch with an aftermarket bracelet is still a gen watch.
The thing to be aware of is Patek uses Gris (grey) gold that is alloyed with palladium vs the nickel-alloyed WG typically found in Chine. This nickel-allyed WG is pale yellow in colour and needs to plated with rhodium to appear white. Rhodium plated WG is very bright and will look totally different against the grey-ish silver case of the gen.
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You're 100% correct. Patek game is completely different from the Daytona one. Patek builds nowadays imply using mostly aftermarket parts, so the watch will loose a lot of value with time. So buying a gen 5712g and fitting a white gold bracelet to it would be the best solution. Like you said whatever happens at the end of the day I would still have a gen watch.
As for the white gold I had no ideea about that. So what do you think about the 5740g's color ?
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What I meant to say was :5740g has the same grey-ish WG case and bracelet as you can see below:
How do you feel about the Chinese 5740g
Hmmm I've attached a comparison image and sized a few similarly for reference (usual caveats apply about lighting, lens/ distance distortions, auto white balance affecting colour rendition etc.):
Some thoughts:
If I recall correctly, Chazingtime (who is a TD) has a PPF modded version with SW dial for around $1200? (I think he adds on a few additional mods like full hands pinion mods, the endlink mod and some case refinishing etc.). I might be tempted to pay a few extra bucks for these additional mods and to go with a TD for security, but that's just me. Happy hunting!
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Mid case looks very similar to the PPF to me? Bezels seem about the same as a stock PPF (too thick) and the shape is similarly wrong (too rounded). See images 1 & 2 on from the left.
Hands look way too white to me, missing gen's green hues (red circle on first image on the left). Hands also have too much lume applied (a flaw all rep hands have).
Yes I think you may be right. What jumped out to me on closer inspection was that the date font is a bit different and seems worse on the OME. Ex: Compare the '15' date to the SW & gen (red circle on image 2 from the left).
Yeah I'm not crazy about the pinion on the main hands either, it seems very flat. I would probably do a full hands pinion mod.
Yup $900 for the watch, dial & moonphase seems decent and within line for a non-TD. I do wonder what the movement is and what happens if/ when it falls apart?
If I recall correctly, Chazingtime (who is a TD) has a PPF modded version with SW dial for around $1200? (I think he adds on a few additional mods like full hands pinion mods, the endlink mod and some case refinishing etc.). I might be tempted to pay a few extra bucks for these additional mods and to go with a TD for security, but that's just me. Happy hunting!
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I actually never noticed the too white hands, thanks. Also it’s so unfortunate that there are no better hands on the market rn. The sw hands are the worst, better leave stock on the watch when modding. On the picture, the hands on the very left watch are stock btw, sw are thicker.Hmmm I've attached a comparison image and sized a few similarly for reference (usual caveats apply about lighting, lens/ distance distortions, auto white balance affecting colour rendition etc.):
Some thoughts:
Mid case looks very similar to the PPF to me? Bezels seem about the same as a stock PPF (too thick) and the shape is similarly wrong (too rounded). See images 1 & 2 on from the left.
Hands look way too white to me, missing gen's green hues. Hands also have too much lume applied (a flaw all rep hands have).
Yes I think you may be right. What jumped out to me on closer inspection was that the date font is a bit different and seems worse on the OME. Ex: Compare the '15' date to the SW & gen.
Yeah I'm not crazy about the main hands either, it seems very flat. I would probably do a full hands pinion mod.
Yup $900 for the watch, dial & moonphase seems decent and within line for a non-TD. I do wonder what the movement is and what happens if/ when it falls apart?
If I recall correctly, Chazingtime (who is a TD) has a PPF modded version with SW dial for around $1200? (I think he adds on a few additional mods like full hands pinion mods, the endlink mod and some case refinishing etc.). I might be tempted to pay a few extra bucks for these additional mods and to go with a TD for security, but that's just me. Happy hunting!
And you can see on the midcase on this part that it’s custom, ppf doesn’t have that:
Here you can see the too thick sw hands, also the center of the second hand is worse on sw than stock. OME either re painted the stock hands or did new ones because they have the most accurate:
Agree, SW hands are the worst, best to just leave stock PPF hands on. SW hour/ minute hands are too thick and too white.
[EDIT: I changed the image in my original post to have a better image of a SW dial with SW hands]
And you can see on the midcase on this part that it’s custom, ppf doesn’t have that:
Ah you meant the bevelling. Yes, but it's very possible OME just modded the case to add some bevels like this.
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Here you can see the too thick sw hands, also the center of the second hand is worse on sw than stock. OME either re painted the stock hands or did new ones because they have the most accurate:
Agree, even these SW seconds hands (on the right) are too thick. Like with the hour and minute hands, it is also better to remove all the SW hands and leave all of the original PPF hands on (hour/ minutes/ seconds/ date/ PR). The SW dial is the best simply for the colour, this is why a mod using the SW dial and then changing the hands to PPF is the best solution right now (apart from using a fully gen dial & hands of course).
BTW even the PPF seconds/ date/ PR hands are a tiny bit thicker than the gen, but in real life it is very hard to notice because the difference is extremely small (so small that it's even difficult to see in close up photos).
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I think the last picture is sw build on the right ome on the left. You can definitely see the quality of pinion caps and the Color isn’t the same. As i said i think it’s very good value if you wanted to just buy stock but i cancelled my order
Yes, if youre just getting into the 5712 this is a great starting place. Movement finishing, case, moonphase are all pretty good over PPF. Problem is the bridge engravings aren't as good as the ones available, the obvious pinions, and I think the recent SW dial is slightly better. Agreement with poseidon; OME is a fantastic starting point, very good cost efficiency vs going the custom route
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