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New Ebay 1:1 16710 Case Review

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And of course to be period correct it should have a non- AR crystal. But after 32 years I couldn't take it anymore, haha. I put a glidelock clasp on it too, years ago.

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Original crystal
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Thank you as always for your detailed replies.

Is your current crystal a gen 295AR crystal or a clarks?

Also, will the WSO bezel assembly fit onto this case do you think? Not sure if you have experience with that part. I have had issues only once with one of their bezel assembles for a 5 digit sub, but it could have been the case I was working with.
 

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Nice dice any model bro. Even the new ones are not gen-spec. Outside diameter is too small.
So does that mean we have to go with gen bezel and retaining ring?

Do you think the WSO assembly is worth a shot?
 

KJ2020

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Thank you as always for your detailed replies.

Is your current crystal a gen 295AR crystal or a clarks?

Also, will the WSO bezel assembly fit onto this case do you think? Not sure if you have experience with that part. I have had issues only once with one of their bezel assembles for a 5 digit sub, but it could have been the case I was working with.
The current crystal on my gen is a gen B25-295-CAR-C1. Though I personally prefer a Clark's with AR cyclops to the original no-AR gen crystal. At one point I actually considered putting one of those on my gen but stopped short because, well that really is blasphemy. I mean even someone who puts a glidelock on a gen 5 digit bracelet has some limits right? Haha. The thing that stopped me is a crystal swap is more permanent so I decided just to use a gen 6 digit crystal.

For this Ebay case build though, I would take a Clark's with AR over a gen non-AR in a heartbeat. I get it if you're a purist, no debate from me at all but for way less $ and much better looking appearance it's an easy choice for me.

Regarding the retaining ring, it would probably be best to try to find a gen B319-16800-C1. A used one should run around $150. Don't buy the one for 16750, those models have acrylic crystals with smaller outside diameter. Well, except the FG 16758, which in an interesting twist has the 29.5mm sapphire crystal.

WSO parts I'm sure are made in China so their quality varies by batch. I've sent more parts back to WSO than I've kept but in the absence of any better options I would certainly try one for this build. I did convert a BP 16570 to have a rotating bezel at a time when rep 16710s weren't readily available. The quality on that retaining ring was fine, but I also bought (and kept) 3 bezels for it. Every WSO bezel had to be tweaked a little to fit the WSO retaining ring. How's that for QC? The inside bottom perimeter had to be shaved back in various amounts for the bezels to snap home and rotate. Once that was done, there were no more issues. So it's possible I could have just shaved the retaining ring but by then it was already epoxied to the case.

Which brings up the next point. Because the 16570 doesn't use a retaining ring, the WSO one didn't fit perfectly and I had to epoxy it to the case. Then I pressed the crystal gasket into the space between the retaining ring and the outer rehaut, then pressed the crystal into the gasket. Pretty bass-ackwards but it worked.

The bezels now all work fine and I have inserts glued in them so I can quick change the bezel without hassling with or damaging the inserts. The main saving grace to WSO bezel parts is they are gen spec. I still have the 16570 and it is actually still a fave, I spent enough time working on it.

If you look closely at the two bezels below, the one with black insert is slightly different so even within the same order sometimes the WSO parts aren't consistent. But sometimes they are OK too.

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This combo is still a top ten fave - this WSO bezel is nice (and gen-spec)
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BTW ST doesn't carry the retaining ring. IDK why but I keep checking and no deal.
 
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Thanks for the write up KJ. Very informative and helpful as usual.

Question for you: how do you think this case compares to the viet cases which have been the go-to for franken 16710s up till now? This case looks pretty good and the viet cases are almost 2x in price…
 

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I bought this case and am awaiting delivery. The only thing that concerns me now about the case is the shape of the CGs, but I guess it can be overlooked, but the recessed endlinks, due to the lower positioning of the holes, are hard to overlook.

I wish I had known about JD's initiatives with the maker beforehand, so I could have waited until the case had been further improved.
Keep in mind that 16710 lug holes cases were phased out in 2003 so what you'd make with this case is a rep of a gen at least 19 years old and going back to 33 years old. Many of these would have been polished, reducing the CG thickness.
 
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Where did you get the glide lock clasp? Or did you purchase a new bracelet with the glide lock clasp? I was thinking of buying a non-gen jubilee with a glide lock for my gen 16710 Pepsi. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
You can get a clasp from a TD and there are plenty of options on Ali Express. But a glidelock is not going to work with a jubilee. I tried it, the jubilee links cannot be attached in any attractive way to the glidelock.

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Some pics - there is just too much dissimilar hardware. I suppose if you really made it a mission quest and had or knew someone with good jewelry making skills, it could be achieved. But also I think the glidelock is too heavyweight for a jubilee, both literally and artistically.

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Fantastic thread KJ.

I know most of your comparison pictures so far are for the 16710. What are your thoughts on using this case for 16570? I remember reading some of your posts and recalled that you have a 6 or 5 digit explorer from noob, maybe.

I was thinking of building one with a Viet case when I see this post.
 

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There would be also this bezel ring, from the description it's worth a try


(plus it would allow to keep the build full made in DE :D)

Anyone has ever tried their parts? They also go under the brand/name of Ernst Westphal. Quite expensive for some parts (ie. 16800 click spring and washer) but seem 1:1
 

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Great write up KJ, a comprehensive guide on how to build a kick a$$ 16710. Much appreciated.
 
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Great and informative review, KJ. My only nit is the rehaut depth. For some odd reason I have a deep rehaut phobia. My VN case has a very shallow rehaut which I like. It's probably not a big deal on this case but I wonder why it's deeper than gen.
 
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Fantastic thread KJ.

I know most of your comparison pictures so far are for the 16710. What are your thoughts on using this case for 16570? I remember reading some of your posts and recalled that you have a 6 or 5 digit explorer from noob, maybe.

I was thinking of building one with a Viet case when I see this post.
It should be fine bro, the only thing different is the 16570 bezel acts as the crystal retaining ring. So you need fewer parts. I don't have a gen 16570 bezel to try but those fit just like a gen retaining ring.

I bought a nice used gen retaining ring and am going to order one from ST so I'll do a comparison on the fit.
 
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