NEW ARF DATE JUST 36

[pompompurin]

Take the oyster bro.

Jubilee is nice but not as modern and easy to rebrush/polish as the oyster. I would say the oyster is also more versatile than the dressy jubilee.

The pics look AMAZING dont they? I mean the finishing of the brushed and polished surfaces is so good for a replica damn!

Now I am even considering this! But I would try to replace that movement with a swiss eta somehow, you got any advice for that?

SH 3135 is too unreliable for me

they are very pretty indeed!

If you are going to replace the movement, then ETA 2824-2 should fit, and I think the riyi002 movement ring for 34mm Tudor Oyster Prince will work on this watch as well

I am now slightly more inclined to get the jubilee because i have always wanted a datejust with black dial and jubilee bracelet - just like my original dream watch (Datejust 16234)

actually I might get two bracelets from the TD - I will see how much it is for an additional bracelet lol

 

[rep2016]

they are very pretty indeed!

If you are going to replace the movement, then ETA 2824-2 should fit, and I think the riyi002 movement ring for 34mm Tudor Oyster Prince will work on this watch as well

I am now slightly more inclined to get the jubilee because i have always wanted a datejust with black dial and jubilee bracelet - just like my original dream watch (Datejust 16234)

actually I might get two bracelets from the TD - I will see how much it is for an additional bracelet lol

Nice, didn’t think about ordering a second bracelet. That’s a good idea! If you don’t mind, please let us know how much the extra bracelet comes to. Would be great to change up the watch once in a while.


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[grilledcheese]

Sead told me there was also a black dial Version of this ARF Datejust. Anybody received any pictures yet?




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SELs with Oyster on yours look good! To my noob eyes at least.

Waiting patiently for the smooth bezel & white dial.

 

[gamba66]

SELs with Oyster on yours look good! To my noob eyes at least.

Waiting patiently for the smooth bezel & white dial.

To my eyes too.

Good choice on the smooth bezel then it will be truly hard to differenciate from gen except for the smaller flaws as dial, date xtal etc..

Btw fluted bezel looks great too on those pics

 

[MonsieurMax]

To my eyes too.

Good choice on the smooth bezel then it will be truly hard to differenciate from gen except for the smaller flaws as dial, date xtal etc..

Btw fluted bezel looks great too on those pics

Do you think it would be possible to replace the fluted bezel with a BP or Gen smooth bezel?


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[gamba66]

Do you think it would be possible to replace the fluted bezel with a BP or Gen smooth bezel?


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Both will fit most likely but it could be that the gen bezel has to be modified with some epoxy as @Strodda did because it has a small step in it (as a "security feature" from Rolex)..

Strodda epoxied that step and then sanded it off so it is effectively removed and can be fitted on like any of the older bezels. On a genuine 6-digit datejust you would have a special kind of bezel gasket which they probably did not bother to replicate. Why machine an extra step in the bezel plus another gasket?

 

[phdsjain]

To my eyes too.

Good choice on the smooth bezel then it will be truly hard to differenciate from gen except for the smaller flaws as dial, date xtal etc..

Btw fluted bezel looks great too on those pics

Agree on both the points. Noob DW for $25 or so should be a great alternative to the Gen DW. As for the xtal, Is the ARF one too much different than the Gen?

The fluted bezel indeed is looking good here but I don't think polished steel will shine as well rhodium would. Maybe get it plated by a jeweler?
@puretime could convey to the factory to have them rhodium plated.

 

[gamba66]

Agree on both the points. Noob DW for $25 or so should be a great alternative to the Gen DW. As for the xtal, Is the ARF one too much different than the Gen?

The fluted bezel indeed is looking good here but I don't think polished steel will shine as well rhodium would. Maybe get it plated by a jeweler?
@puretime could convey to the factory to have them rhodium plated.

I wouldn't be too bothered by the DW its a rather minor flaw especially when you use the noob dw. Not worth buying gen IMO the only thing you really NEED to upgrade is the dial. Because no matter how good the rep dials are once you have seen a genuine one you will know that they cant replicate those especially something like the blue sunburst dials plus they have whitegold coronets and surrounds on the lume sticks.

I can only speculate but the stock ARF crystal looks quite good but the newer 6-digit Datejusts have the 295-C crystal with AR on cyclops (run around 350 euro). Even if they use AR on the cyclops it wont be close to the rolex "black hole" effect people always talk about. I have a genuine crystal in my 18239 franken build and it has a special kind of "glare effect" which im not sure how close aftermarket crystals come too.

But still the most sense cost-wise would be this combination:

Stock ARF Datejust (smooth bezel) with genuine Dial and noob DW

This would be a killer for the money you would invest and you could still decide to upgrade to the 295-CAR at some later point.

Gen fluted bezel is just too expensive.

Alternatively if you have to have a fluted bezel, take it off and send it to @Thehitman for rhodium coating or buy a spare one directly if any TD's offer this.

 

[phdsjain]

@gamba66 In addition and first in order of things I feel should be servicing the SH3135 with/ without gen reversing wheels and auto-wind module to ensure reliability before investing 300-350 euros in the dial and crystal each. I have read they arrive quite dirty and don't hold reserve in many cases.

We are talking over $1500 for watch($388+ $40), serviced SH3135 with gen reversing wheels (~$350), gen dial ($320-350), gen crystal ($380) and Noob DW ($25) and close to $1800 with Gen DW and gen smooth bezel/ rhodium plated fluted bezel. Gen crown and stem pushing it over 2k!

I personally would only go ahead with such a build once we have a gen vs rep comparison and the case is indeed gen-spec.

Else it'll be just the watch + Noob DW + movement swap to A2892/ serviced SH3135 once the smooth bezel arrives for me.

 

[Karlus]

Both will fit most likely but it could be that the gen bezel has to be modified with some epoxy as @Strodda did because it has a small step in it (as a "security feature" from Rolex)..

Strodda epoxied that step and then sanded it off so it is effectively removed and can be fitted on like any of the older bezels. On a genuine 6-digit datejust you would have a special kind of bezel gasket which they probably did not bother to replicate. Why machine an extra step in the bezel plus another gasket?

Be careful here, I also think there is a difference in interior diameter & number of "flutes"

 

[Hinclimincli]

Else it'll be just the watch + Noob DW + movement swap to A2892/ serviced SH3135 once the smooth bezel arrives for me.

To be fair, if you can source a Top Grade ETA 2824-2 you would have a near-COSC watch that should last forever. What I'm not too sure is whether the datewheel+hands+date window would be ok with a 2824 instead of an sh3135 as I think both have different sizes. Can anyone confirm whether that can be done or not?

 

[phdsjain]

To be fair, if you can source a Top Grade ETA 2824-2 you would have a near-COSC watch that should last forever. What I'm not too sure is whether the datewheel+hands+date window would be ok with a 2824 instead of an sh3135 as I think both have different sizes. Can anyone confirm whether that can be done or not?

I think @ado213 can chime in. I definitely know of one JF 114300 where he swapped SH3130 to an A2892.

 

[gamba66]

@gamba66 In addition and first in order of things I feel should be servicing the SH3135 with/ without gen reversing wheels and auto-wind module to ensure reliability before investing 300-350 euros in the dial and crystal each. I have read they arrive quite dirty and don't hold reserve in many cases.

We are talking over $1500 for watch($388+ $40), serviced SH3135 with gen reversing wheels (~$350), gen dial ($320-350), gen crystal ($380) and Noob DW ($25) and close to $1800 with Gen DW and gen smooth bezel/ rhodium plated fluted bezel. Gen crown and stem pushing it over 2k!

I personally would only go ahead with such a build once we have a gen vs rep comparison and the case is indeed gen-spec.

Else it'll be just the watch + Noob DW + movement swap to A2892/ serviced SH3135 once the smooth bezel arrives for me.

Yeah not a fan of the sh 3135 at all even with all the servicing and gen parts, it is still a crap shoot imo. Soft Rep parts combined with hard gen parts won't guarantee you a reliable movement.

It absolutely makes no sense financially to service it or even upgrade it with gen parts. I recommend to fit on a gen dial and noob DW quickly to make it a simple build (because these parts are compatible) and see how long it lasts then service or swap movement accordingly.

I personally would not ever build an expensive franken with the SH/Yuki 3135 as a base even if it accepts gen parts immediately. It is simply too unreliable and low quality for that. I would buy the watch and sell the SH 3135 immediately and then attempt a swap as you mentioned with a gen swiss eta.

BTW the case is very good and the most gen-spec there is atm, it is close enough to justify a franken build imo. You will have to wait a long time for anything better.

Be careful here, I also think there is a difference in interior diameter & number of "flutes"

What do you mean with different interior diameter and number of flutes? You mean in comparison to the rep bezel?

Did you fit on your 6-digit bezel in your own project? I am assuming interior diameter to be the same because I have seen several franken builds with the bp v2 116234 where a gen fluted bezel fit.

To be fair, if you can source a Top Grade ETA 2824-2 you would have a near-COSC watch that should last forever. What I'm not too sure is whether the datewheel+hands+date window would be ok with a 2824 instead of an sh3135 as I think both have different sizes. Can anyone confirm whether that can be done or not?

I dont think hands and datewheel will fit. The noob or gen DW would have to be modified to make it fit such as the hands. @Strodda is the only one who has fitted a gen DW on an ETA movement here before. Unfortunately search is down or I would link to his thread.

But it would make more sense to use raffles overlay Datewheel and hands even though it requires some skill to center the Date. Also movement ring would have to be modified so the Dial will fit which fits naturally on a 3135 movement.

 

[Ukera]

Is there no plans for any other dial colours? I'm not a fan of the grey or blue.

 

[ssouthall6]

The sh3135 isn't particularly well designed especially the escapement but let's not get over egg the pudding here, it's an automatic watch not the splitting of the atom. Weak metal and poor design aside, most of the time a service and this movement is going to be absolutely fine. So many members have made frankens with this movement, even in its current iteration where without a doubt corners have been cut in the ramp up of production they have faced due to the change in distribution channels, and there are still only a handful of complaints about it.


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[Karlus]

What do you mean with different interior diameter and number of flutes? You mean in comparison to the rep bezel?

Did you fit on your 6-digit bezel in your own project? I am assuming interior diameter to be the same because I have seen several franken builds with the bp v2 116234 where a gen fluted bezel fit.

I know for a fact on gen, the 36mm models with the engraved rehaut will not fit the older (thinner) bezels. I think these are the bezels that have two crown stamps on the underside. The newer bezels that have the step & require the gasket should have three stamps.

My local watchmaker couldnt fit the older style bezel on my gen 118239 because of diameter.

Im not sure of the tolerances on these reps and if they will care which bezel fits. I know the gens are super duper picky

Look at this dude's reply about the clamping ring

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=486320

 

[jakekrait]

How bad is the DW really?

I think it looks ok here (to my untrained eye!!):

Secondly:
What are some opinions on the fluted bezel? Is there really a great difference between the whitegold GEN and the REP or is it acceptable?

 

[gamba66]

I know for a fact on gen, the 36mm models with the engraved rehaut will not fit the older (thinner) bezels. I think these are the bezels that have two crown stamps on the underside. The newer bezels that have the step & require the gasket should have three stamps.

My local watchmaker couldnt fit the older style bezel on my gen 118239 because of diameter.

Im not sure of the tolerances on these reps and if they will care which bezel fits. I know the gens are super duper picky

Look at this dude's reply about the clamping ring

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=486320

I know bro I told you myself you cant use a period incorrect 5 digit bezel on a 6 digit watch.

But the question was if a 6 digit rep bezel from bp or a 6 digit gen bezel will fit this ARF.

It is highly likely that they respect the dimensions and genuine bezels can be fitted as they have in the past.

genuine 6 digit bezel will have to be slightly modded as @Strodda did bw ausw of that step but im sure it will fit. Here he explains his method, this will probably work with a gen bezel on the ARF Datejust too!

Bp will fit without mods provably because it doesnt have the step.

I got two vintagw daydate reps from over 10 years ago and they both accept gen dial, bezel and crystal because dimensions check out, I am sure ARF/JF Didnt mess them up.