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KW PAM 505 finally! [QC Pics Allowed]

ALE7575

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Heard back from Ryan and yes his watch is also the same as Kuvarsit site w/ST2555. He stated he also has updated the listing to reflect this as well.

All sites have indicated wrong movement, PClones, TT , Intime.... because they are indicating A7750 instead of Seagull ST2555.
It is very easy telling a Seagull ST 2555. It has the balance whell @6
A7750 has the BW @11 and Gen has the BW @7
Therefore Seagull has the BW closer to gen position.

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oracle202

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is the lug width on this the same as on the 44mm luminors? 24mm?
 

GeDi

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It is but i think the Luminor straps cannot be used on Rad's
 

oracle202

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It is but i think the Luminor straps cannot be used on Rad's

Why not? Do Rads need a special built strap? I've never owned one before but I've always thought they use sprint bars just like a regular watch instead of screwed bars like most of the luminors.
 

GeDi

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Because i think their strap mounting system (spring bars) are different.

At least the Gen's straps available are not common for both models.

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I think ALE has a strap guide. Go and check please
 

AP Boy

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Why not? Do Rads need a special built strap? I've never owned one before but I've always thought they use sprint bars just like a regular watch instead of screwed bars like most of the luminors.

On the OEM's there generally is a taper to them at the lug and also no tubes are used.
 

watchfaker

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wonder if the skinnier hands from H-factory or noob Radiomir would fit this watch...
 

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I have already updated PAM GUIDE with this fantastic watch
I have also used to get data the above review from PolonusTM

Below the data included in PAM GUIDE
Please post the corrections you realize in it.
Thanks
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EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP (KW O-series ST2555 decorated mvmnt.)
The PAM 505 is a Radiomir version of PAM 386 Composite. There is another Radiomir version but in SS polished and Black dial with regular lume called PAM 388.
The gen PAM 505, the same as PAM 339, 375 and 386, is made of a especial material Panerai COMPOSITE. It is the result of an electrochemical process of ceramization of the aluminium, this material is harder than the ceramics normally used for cases in watch-making (zirconia), and also harder than metals like steel and titanium, as well as being lighter. Thanks to its qualities of ductility and reliability, the Panerai composite allows for complex and extremely precise workings and is the result of processes that, up to now, were employed in the creation of components for the aeronautic industry and for car and motorcycle races requiring the highest levels of performance.
This watch Radiomir Black Seal was introduced as regular production in year 2012 O-series.
It features second @9 subdial, date window @3 without Cyclops, and 6-9-12 markers combined with sticks. Lume has a nice vintage patina. Overall colour is dark brown. This watch is fitted with the PANEARI Manifattura movement P.9000, with a power reserve of 72 hours achieved by means of two spring barrels powered by an oscillating weight that winds in both directions. With a diameter of 13¾ lignes and a balance that oscillates at a frequency of 4 Hz, the P.9000 calibre is also fitted with a stop-seconds device enabling the time to be synchronized with a reference time signal.
The name Black Seal, printed on the dial, is a proprietary name of Officine Panerai which evokes fascinating memories of the history of the brand: Black Seal was one of the names used to describe the slow-speed torpedoes PIG, the midget submarines on which the commandos of the Italian Navy carried out their heroic underwater enterprises during the Second World War, with Panerai watches and instruments on their wrists.

July 2013- The First good replica of this watch is released by Kuvarsit Watches (KW). It is made of SS DLC dark Brown coated with an awesome finish, achieved by a beadblasted treatment before coating.
Care of details and overall finish are at the same level of current replicas made by KW. In this way the replica gets that gen-like feel already famous in last replicas from this maker. Leaving aside the weight you could not realize the difference. Case shape seems very accurate and the edges of the cushion shape are sharp and well defined. Crown shape and crown inscription are very good too.
It is fitted with a movement Seagull ST2555, automatic, 26 jewels, 21600 b/h, decorated with nice bridges like a P.9000. The decoration bridges are screwed avoiding they fall (be carefull becuase the catalogues usually have a mistake indicating A7750 instead of Seagull movement.
These decorated movements using Seagull are a bit more accurate to the gen than previous decorated movements using A7750, because Gen P.9000 has the balance wheel @7 , A7750 movement @11 and Seagull ST 2555 @6.
Therefore Seagull movement has the balance wheel @6 closer to the Gen @7, instead @11 like A7750.In this way the appearance is better and more like gen.
Anyway the movement has also inverted layout (like decorations based in A7750) in comparison to the gen, and the balance cock (the bridge holding the balance wheel) is also in inverted position.

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KW REPLICA DECORATED MOVEMENT LIKE P.9000- BASE SEAGULL ST2555

The dial is finished all matt like gen, dial surface is microblasted before coating and gets a matt surface which “absorbs†light. It is the same with inscriptions RADIOMIR-BLACK SEAL-PANERAI that are without shine like gen. Following indications of maker the dial is very close to crystal, the same as gen, giving to this watch a very good appearance.
Markers and hands have superlume mactched with gen vintage colour. Markers are accurate but hands have wider lume than gen and this is noticeable.
Date window is accurate in position and size but Date fonts are a bit smaller than gen ones.
CP is well placed and nicely polished, really good
Overall the dial layout is almost perfect.
Front crystal has high quality colourless AR coating like gen. Caseback is very well finished, like the case, and the engravings are deep, crisp and accurate. Caseback crystal is nicely brown darkened.

Asso strap very good quality of material and stitching (colour matching gen sample following indications of KW) with a buckle with deep and clean engravings following the shape of composite versions (different to SS models)
KW says this watch is tested waterproof 20m.
This is one of the nicest replicas I have seen, with an awesome finish and appearance very gen-like. Since this replica is made of DLC SS instead of Composte the weight is much higher than gen, and the movement, although the decoration, is not a real clone, we cannot consider it a Super rep, following our current criteria. Of course it is a very good First Class rep and an impressive and beautiful watch. Very advisable purchase, the price is not very high either.
Many above data are extracted from the review made by PolonusTM here:
[URL="http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1524178&postcount=54["]http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1524178&postcount=54[[/URL] by PolonusTM
More info about this watch:
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=57300&st=0
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/kw-pam-505-152352
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1517077&postcount=22
[URL="http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/redirector.php?url=http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D210747"]http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=210747[/URL]
REPLICA LINKS:
(*)http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=57300&st=0 KW
(*)http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=11067 KW
(*)http://www.p-cls.com/pn505o01-505o-composite-1950-days-dlcle-brown-p-14670 KW
(*)http://intime.co/product.php?id_product=1223 KW
GEN LINKS:
[URL="http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/redirector.php?url=http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1348813353/Composite-%2BThe%2BResurrection"]http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/thread/1348813353/Composite-+The+Resurrection[/URL]
[URL="http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/redirector.php?url=http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_341.html"]http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_341[/URL]
[URL="http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/redirector.php?url=http://blog.perpetuelle.com/watches/panerai-radiomir-composite-pam-504-and-composite-black-seal-pam-505/"]http://blog.perpetuelle.com/watches/panerai-radiomir-composite-pam-504-and-composite-black-seal-pam-505/[/URL]
 

AP Boy

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For those that like Rads I predict this is gonna be big and an marked improvement to the 7750 in all PAM's going forward.
 

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Wow, I almost like this better than the 292, and I normally hate non Chrono PAMs with a date window. This is amazing though... can't wait for the SS version

Sent from my Mark XXXIII armor via J.A.R.V.I.S.
 

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I think 505 marks an important milestone on rep history in remembrance of a clone P9000 movt was born in 2013.
 

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I like more and more the finish of the case, bezel and casenback. It is awesome.

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