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Evaluation of PAM replicas - Review Guide Announcement
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Hi silay
Firstly to say that these watches have not gen correspondant, therefeore they are fantasy watches, and fantasy watches are not the purpose of this Evaluation.
That said, I recommend you go to the gen versions PVP for Luminor Base (PAM 000) and Luminor Marina (PAM 005)
PAM 360 Luminor Base Logo PVD Paneristi- FIRST CLASS REPS
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam360-m-v2-11-best-edition-on-oem-tan-leather-strap/
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam360-m-h-maker-superlumed-edition-on-hand-stitched-brown-leather-strap/
PAM 009 Luminor Base Pre-A PVD - Good replica from DSN
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pre-pam-pvd-
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http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%20009/
PAM 195 Luminor Marina PVD Paneristi - FIRST CLASS REP.
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam195-se-a6497-on-tan-leather-strap/
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-born-pam-87456
PAM 004 Luminor Marina Pre-A PVD - Good replica from DSN
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pre-pam-pvd-74971
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Pre%20A%20watches/Pam%20004%20watch/
PAM 026 Luminor Marina Destro PVD - H maker Super rep.
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam026k-lefty-dlc-11-ultimate-edition-on-leather-strap/
ALE
So is this to be downgraded from your "super rep" status? I would agree, the h maker has a font issue with the AI seemingly spaced to far from Paner among other things. And the DLC coating issue with the v2 keeping it too far back.
With rumors of a new 360 from noob factory, I think it's possible the next generation may hit the superrep status. But not yet.
Ale: again, thanks so much for this post. it really is wonderful--and so infomative. I'm curious about the 024. As far as I can see, it is not mentioned in your listing. I know DSN has two versions, and some of our dealers do too. The one I'm particularly interested in is the 024 with the highly polished bezel and no hash marks. Any reviews?
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Thanks again nielsen for your comments
Yes, replicas from DSN were not in the first list. I'm studying them at this moment, and I will inform about as soon as possible.
Here you have my information about PAM 024 I have at this moment, to be competed by people comments. But I think it would be better waiting for the publication of the definitive REVIEW PAM GUIDE (I hope next month)
LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLES PAM 025 AND PAM 025
The PAM 024 and 025 are the first Vendôme Panerai Submersibles. The PAM 024 A-series is made of SS and has Flat surface dial and polished case&bezel, the PAM 025 is made of Titanium and has a nice Hobnail textured dial and brushed case&bezel. The PAM 024 D-series onwards has polished case and brushed bezel.
The titanium version PAM 025 Submersible is about 20% lighter than the PAM024 SS.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
PAM 024 LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE A-Series from DSN
The Pam 024 A-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and doesn’t have the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the following PAM 024 D-series)
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-024a-56870
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Submersible%20Steel%20watches/Pam%20024A%20submersible%20watches/
PAM 024 LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE D-Series from DSN
The Pam 024 D-series is an exclusive and good replica from DSN catalogue and has already the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the above PAM 024 A-series)
REPLICA links:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pam-024d-56929
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Submersible%20Steel%20watches/Pam%20024D/
PAM 024 LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE D-Series onwards from other dealers
The Pam 024 from D-series onwards has already the bezel marked with minute indices between the 12 and 3. These minute indices were added from the D-series (see the above PAM 024 A-series)
These reps have no correct caseback engraving and their quality is not very good. If you are looking for a PAM 024 it would be a better purchase the PAM 024 A or D-series from DSN.
REPLICA links:
http://www.timeshops.net/2903-pa6829---panerai-luminor-submersible-black-dial-rubber---asian-21j-automatic
http://www.timeshops.net/8117-pa7440-pam00024-luminor-submersible-44mm-black-dial-ss-ny-asian-21j-
http://www.hontwatch.com/productdetails_846
http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=32
http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=10
GEN links:
The watches of the below links are gen of the current D-series onwards. The PAM 024 A-series, like the rep we are talking above, came without black minute indices between 12 and 3 in the bezel. We are showing them for informative purposes.
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_25
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/sub
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=727&id_categoria=36
I hope it is more clear now
ALE
My goodness, Ale, you are a fountain of fantastic information! Thanks very much for this. Now I must decide: what should the next one be: a DSN 024A or one of those new 243. Decisions, decisions! Neither will happen, however, until somebody buys my genuine tourbillon I have up for sale under 'genuine watches' here on the forum. Come on guys, help me out..... you need a tourbi!
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Thanks again nielsen for your comments
For after the tourby sale:
For me the choice is clear: If you are not specially looking for a "historic" watch and just talking about replica quality the correct choice is a PAM 243 from Noob or from H maker, up to you (my choice: Noob, but there is not a definitive or clear reason)
Below some interesting (I hope) information about PAM 243
PAM 243 LUMINOR 1950 SUBMERSIBLE
EVALUATION: SUPER REP (Noob or H maker)
The gen PAM 243 1950 case 1000m Submersible was a newly introduced watch for 2006 I-series. The PAM243 replaced the now discontinued PAM 087 1000m Submersible. The PAM 087 was affectionately referred to as the 'tuna can' because of its sheer weight and thickness. The PAM 243 1950 case of 44mm feels like it has a more distributed an even-weighted feel as compared to the PAM87. The PAM243 is incredibly comfortably, sporty and unique looking and the newly styled ridged rubber sport strap (previously only available on the 47mm sport models like the PAM 194, PAM 187 and Slytech models) is soft and comfortable. It has unidirectional bezel Egiziano style, skeleton hands, automatic movement, small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
The PAM 243 is one of the best replicas in the market and the versions either from Noob factoty or from H maker are very appreciated. We can consider them as Super reps
A very good candidate for a first PAM rep.
REPLICA links:
http://www.puretimewatch.com/product/pam243-l-noob-maker-11-ultimate-edition-on-rubber-strap-free-strap-tool/
http://www.timesshop.net/11650-pre-order-pam243l-noob-luminor-submersible-1000m-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph
http://www.timesshop.net/11650-pre-order-pam243l-noob-luminor-submersible-1000m-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph
http://www.timesshop.net/11795-pa6770b100-pam243-luminor-submersible-1000m-black-ss-ny-h-factory-asian-7750
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=201&P_id=2311&ti=
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=201&P_id=2308&ti=
http://www.hontwatch.com/productdetails_2940
http://www.yourtrustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=9123
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_27
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/1000m
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=6084&id_categoria=36
ALE
Hey Ale, keep your eyes on this one: newly repped movement:
View attachment 4497
Will put our 312 and 359 (and other) in a whole new daylight...
View attachment 4497
Will put our 312 and 359 (and other) in a whole new daylight...
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Hi ronver
Many thanks for your info but i don't know about the copy of this movement and you have not indicated the links to see it.
Waiting for more info.
ALE
Link:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wey4jk-Kceo&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]PANERAI Movement Tw Factory Best Made - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wey4jk-Kceo&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]PANERAI Movement Tw Factory Best Made - YouTube[/ame]
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Well done thanks !!
Really this is not the movement of the 312 and 359, because they have the Panerai P.9000 automatic and the video seems to show a manual P.2002/3
It is an interesting step, but the copied movement is still very different to the gen P.2002/3. See that :
http://www.paneraisource.com/details/P20023.html
and that:
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=37
We will wait for more info.
Anyway, very interesting info and many thanks for sharing it
It could be a new step in replica movements. We will see the evolution
ALE
Hey ALE,
I posted this video link on the supposely best PAM111 rep that money can buy from a taiwanese seller:
PANERAI PAM111 æŸÂæÂ’æŸÂå°Â真å“Â機心驗ä¸Â出版 SUPER TO BEST M1710 æž—SIR - YouTube
How you rate the quality of this taiwanese rep? Other than the rounded CG edge, Someone pointed out that this rep's movement has the Y incabloc which even the current noob fac ones don't. Do you spot any difference from gen?
I posted this video link on the supposely best PAM111 rep that money can buy from a taiwanese seller:
PANERAI PAM111 æŸÂæÂ’æŸÂå°Â真å“Â機心驗ä¸Â出版 SUPER TO BEST M1710 æž—SIR - YouTube
How you rate the quality of this taiwanese rep? Other than the rounded CG edge, Someone pointed out that this rep's movement has the Y incabloc which even the current noob fac ones don't. Do you spot any difference from gen?
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This is the most sticky-worthy non-sticky thread on the entire internet.
How long do you think it will take to rep the PAM398 and PAM399? New and unique style Panerai, kind of a blend between Radiomir and Luminor.
How long do you think it will take to rep the PAM398 and PAM399? New and unique style Panerai, kind of a blend between Radiomir and Luminor.
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Hi Artic
Many thanks for your contribution
In any case it is good to know there is a competition against the chinese replica market, it will be good for us in order to decrease or to stop increasing of prices, and the quality seems OK or better (usualy Taiwan makes better quality than China)
It is not easy to see many differences in a video, but I can see:
- Whells of the movement with wider beveled then the gen ones.
- Swan Neck device with short screw (like the Noob ones)
But OK the Y Incabloc
We would need a side by side or direct observation review in order to have more sound opinions.
ALE
LOL
Many thanks but this is not the FINAL PAM GUIDE, to be published as soon as possible (about a month).
But the sticking is not the most important, it is better the views and the posts in a thread. I have at this moment the non-sticky "Official HBB V6 Thread" with more than 1000 posts and almost 50.000 views. And being non-sticky it is a more alive thread. When the replies and the views fall down it will be the moment to make it sticky (if the moderator want it)
Concerning the beautiful 398 and 399 I have no news about the possible manufacture of replicas. I hope they come soon, they are awesome !!
The perfect mix between Radiomir and Luminor, and the best of both worlds !!
ALE
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Not really they look nothing like and are the wrong dimensions.
Here is a gen. They just put plates on a 7750. It looks good no doubt but is way off.
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I agree completely with frigpig
ALE
No, this model is the replica (wrong dial colour IMO) of the vintage Panerai 6152 made by Rolex with a patented Rolex Crown about 1943 (only 300 units were made)
Read this link:
the Rolex-Panerai connection
The case 398 and 399 are based in this vintage model but they have seconds @9 sub-dials and display caseback.
The vintage authentic costs more 100.000$ in the market.
I guess the replica will be much cheaper... LOL
ALE
NewBorn DSN:
027 A - B
057 C
It was mentioned that these will be looked into which is exciting. But with "gen" Soprod power reserve, these are in a super rep class in by themself IMHO. The 057C is spot on. Hobnail tobacco dial is PERFECT. CG mint, Lume Super. Just awesome with a gen strap I'd have no clue if it was gen or DSN case back on. CB could be a tad bit thicker, but these pass for gen all day long.
027s just a tiny bit of a tad under the 057 at the moment unless he updates it. With upgraded DW, cyclops these are also in a top of the class. But since we're talking out of the box super reps the 057C has got to be in a boutique class of its own!
There is not many Soprods left out there! Costly but worth it! Every bit as reliable as a gen, power reserve = to gen, movement = to gen, man I got to go get mine and put it on my wrist!
AWESOME THREAD, after its done it should be condensed and sticky.
027 A - B
057 C
It was mentioned that these will be looked into which is exciting. But with "gen" Soprod power reserve, these are in a super rep class in by themself IMHO. The 057C is spot on. Hobnail tobacco dial is PERFECT. CG mint, Lume Super. Just awesome with a gen strap I'd have no clue if it was gen or DSN case back on. CB could be a tad bit thicker, but these pass for gen all day long.
027s just a tiny bit of a tad under the 057 at the moment unless he updates it. With upgraded DW, cyclops these are also in a top of the class. But since we're talking out of the box super reps the 057C has got to be in a boutique class of its own!
There is not many Soprods left out there! Costly but worth it! Every bit as reliable as a gen, power reserve = to gen, movement = to gen, man I got to go get mine and put it on my wrist!
AWESOME THREAD, after its done it should be condensed and sticky.
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Thanks Mr. Rad for your information
But...where have you seen the HOBNAIL brown dial of the PAM 057 C from DSN ???
Because I have only seen a Flat surface Brown dial in all pics from Davidsen.
And I had classified this rep as a goodl rep but inaccurate due to the Flat dial instead of HOBNAIL one
Please send the links of the pics you are talking about.
Thanks again
ALE